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Freeze or war

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Freeze or warIn the leadership of the militia of New Russia hard times have come. And not only because of the elections, which by public struggle for power aggravate the already difficult life of the territory in martial law, but above all because of the opposite attitude of various militia commanders to the ongoing negotiation process.

After the Minsk agreements and as they are implemented, which is too slow, with huge shortcomings and losses from the local population, among many commanders, discontent and misunderstanding of the official position of the DPR and LPR agreed with Moscow is becoming more and more ripening.

Two large unofficial camps were formed, which once divided the militia that was once united in its priorities - ready for a truce and supporting Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky in general, and not recognizing a truce and secretly framing the official authorities (Brainstorming, Bezler, Dremov, etc.).

1

A prominent representative of those who disagree and dissatisfied is Alexei Mozgovoy, who in extremely straightforward and rigid form speaks of the “treacherous Minsk conspiracy” and the need to wage war to a victorious end, not only against the Kiev authorities, but already against the militia comrades.

Brainstorming does not name the names of the opposite side - Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky, but he has a lot of hard talk about the need for the common people to seize power from the hands of traitors who have sold to oligarchs, including Moscow.

He plans to continue the war all the way to Kiev and even to Poland (which is curious, ideally together with those who went to the Maidan against the oligarchs and who are now bombing the Donbass), building a model fair state in Ukraine and all Russian land without thieves and corrupt officials , distribution of the most necessary benefits to all who need it, and the rest of the good - according to merit.

In general, the beautiful goals of a benevolent idealist, which, however, it is proposed to achieve in the simplest and most understandable way - weapons and war. Our long-standing Russian habit: if you are tired of washing and skating, then immediately cut the sword with a sword.

2

But the matter is not only in the Brain, whose threats against the traitors, the uncompromising wording, the readiness to go to the end and the black beret on the head are close to the revolutionary standard of all times and peoples - Che Guevara. The feeling of discontent, bordering with readiness to rebel against the official course, lives in many commanders and rank and file militiamen.

The same Dremov constantly cuts the truth of the womb, saying that they were betrayed and deceived. Exclamations of despair and grumble of discontent can be heard through many unofficial channels of Donbass. The demand is louder: “No truce! Fight at any cost! ”

And such a position is generally understandable and attractive, because it is simple and smooth, like a flat board. It proceeds from the obvious understanding that it is necessary to fight for one’s land to the last, and that in no case can one agree with the aggressor. It is principled and thus captivates any sincere person who is ready to give his life for the sake of Russian truth and the Orthodox faith.

3

However - and this is the main snag and cause of misunderstanding - the greater the power and responsibility, the higher the bell tower, the less straight and smooth the path to the cherished goal seems. And the same Zakharchenko, himself no less deserved warrior of the militia, than any of his critics, frankly admits this in a sensational interview to Expert holding, saying that it would be my will, to cut everyone in Minsk there at negotiations and go to Warsaw .

This is how boiling up, this is how the desire for a direct and simplest way flashed! What is not Brainstorming? But still not Brainstorming, because he overcame himself and began to negotiate, defend the interests of Donbass, finding compromises with the aggressor. Because I saw there if not all, but a significant part of the heavy, cunning and incredibly difficult battle of the titans. When every movement is a little finger, every extra resource can affect the final result.

Well, what if I gave vent to my simple desire and cut the representatives of the enemies in the negotiations? Would you get to Warsaw? Not. If only the Novorussia militia would be exposed by terrorists, nothing more. And how beautifully it was painted, for sure, in the first seconds of fantasy - so take everything and cut it with one blow of the sword! Fights, victories, the taking of one city after another, fanfare! .. But in fact it would have happened - "pshik." Or even a disaster.

4

The same is true of the truce. It is clear that I would like to admit his failure and move to Slavyansk, Kharkov, Kiev. But the forces of the militia of New Russia are not enough in themselves, even for taking the Donetsk suburb Pesky. Without the support of Moscow in a direct confrontation even with such a Ukrainian army, it’s not a fact that at least part of the Donbass can be defended.

In the post-Crimea period, Moscow decided to temporarily freeze the conflict and recognizes its failure only in extreme emergency circumstances. One may criticize the Russian position for this, but it is such, and it is clearly caused by serious reasons and more than weighty arguments, which, alas, are not publicized.

The difficulty level from the bell tower of Ivan the Great is much higher than from the highest Donetsk skyscraper, no matter how cruel it sounds for the victims in the Donbas.

The Russian leadership is opposed to the global aggressor on a global international field - in the most complicated system of checks and balances, multiple moves, and attacking defensive operations in various fields (finance, media, defense, etc.).

New Russia has to reckon with this choice of Moscow, and there is no betrayal on one side or the other. It is simply much more complicated than field battles in the Donbass (without any derogation of their meaning).

And if ordinary militiamen may not understand this (they are warriors and heroes who are used to simple and honest laws of war, it’s difficult for them to switch to the coordinate system of complex diplomatic decisions), then their commanders, experienced and intelligent people, should understand this themselves and explain to their subordinate.

To interpret an ordinary, in general, true truth: that if a simple and straightforward path seems real and correct, this does not mean that it really is. And that if someone offers to shuffle a sword with a backhand, thereby deciding the outcome of the war, then no matter how attractive and sincere his words are, he may well be mistaken. Moreover - surely mistaken, cruel and with disastrous consequences.

***

The worst thing that could happen now with the militia of New Russia is the split and open armed confrontation among its commanders. Fortunately, this can be avoided. At least, many commanders who disagreed with Zakharchenko, who apparently chose a more balanced position, did not come to the Military Council, which had been assembled by the Brain. And this means that the planned military coup in the DPR and LPR, disguised as creating a single Novorossia, did not take place.

Who is right, will show, of course, история. But so much so that, in the end, everything would turn out to be so that today's contradictions would turn out to be only a temporary and incidental result of an equally temporary freeze.

And at the victory parade dedicated to the salvation of Ukraine and its reunification with Russia, all the commanders of the militia of Novorossia, together with the leadership of Russia, would come out under the same banner and with one truth for all.

Russian truth.
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  1. ArcanAG
    ArcanAG 15 October 2014 08: 30
    +14
    I agree in general.
    A split in the ranks of the militia is the shortest way to the defeat of New Russia. A slightly longer way is a confrontation with Russia, without which Novorossia cannot survive at the moment.
    1. DRA-88
      DRA-88 15 October 2014 08: 42
      +2
      The anti-bourgeois revolution in New Russia is not idealism, it is the only way of the People to Justice, Equality and Bratsiv!
      1. DRA-88
        DRA-88 15 October 2014 09: 12
        +1
        The meaning of the article can fit in the quatrain of A.S. Pushkin:

        Ride, peaceful people!
        You will not be awakened by the call.
        Why herds of gifts of freedom?
        They should be cut or cut.


        The people do not want to be a herd !!!
        1. Telakh
          Telakh 15 October 2014 09: 33
          0
          Anti-what? A revolution is a change of government. Where did you see it? As they went to the "elections", they continue.
          The first "protesters" were workers from Akhmetov's factories, voluntarily and compulsorily taken out to "protest" against the redistribution of power in Kueva between the clans. And only then the population moved in. Some - when the violent dispersal of hard workers began in the absence of state administration. The rest heard the "cry of honor" when the shells fell on them directly.
          As a result, this is characterized as a civil protest against the genocide and the forceful change of power, and not the supreme, but local. And to look like the supreme, they remembered about self-determination and Novorossia, which was narrowed down to 1.5 regions because "the rest did not want to."
          And all "justice, equality and fraternity" is the absence of bureaucratic chains in a military conflict?
          Tell me, where did I make a mistake with a generalization of facts?
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 15 October 2014 09: 35
        0
        Yeah. We must throw out all the proteges of the oligarchs and not be afraid of a clash. Russia will not let Novorossia die anyway, but there may not be a second chance to move the oligarchs in speed.
        The only thing is that now this means great hardship for the novos, and for us great hardships, are we ready to endure them?
  2. zao74
    zao74 15 October 2014 08: 31
    +9
    I repeat - There is a war - military power! What the hell are the choices ?! Throw out the oligarchy from New Russia, nationalize property! Give USSR 2.0!
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 15 October 2014 08: 47
      +4
      Quote: zao74
      nationalize property! Give USSR 2.0!
      But is it necessary in the Kremlin? Let me remind you, Yeltsin shot the parliament down and the system hasn’t changed since then. What is the USSR? Do you integrate into the global economy for decades, licking the cream from the raw material needle and then once they’ve shaken red stars on Budenkov’s brain with the idea of ​​equality workers and social justice are unlikely to find understanding among the powerful. Good or bad --- I honestly haven’t figured it out yet. But the fact that he becomes uncomfortable there with his experience and authority is indisputable for me.
      1. Mareman Vasilich
        Mareman Vasilich 15 October 2014 09: 14
        0
        That's right. Anglo-Saxons hold Kremlin bureaucrats, speculators, thieves and robbers (they are also called businessmen and oligarchs) tightly by the balls, keeping their capital abroad under control. Therefore, there is no question of any interests of the Motherland; the loot comes first.
      2. UFO
        UFO 15 October 2014 09: 19
        +1
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        . Brain with the idea of ​​equality of workers and social justice is unlikely to find understanding among the powerful.

        Doesn't find it anymore. hand over Novorossiya with giblets, and this is the "stratification" of the militia at the suggestion of Moscow. Crimea "was taken", and the rest of the FSUs ... Russian oligarchs are not profitable, and Putin fell for their arguments. "The integrity of Ukraine, etc., etc.", we will pump gas to them on the terms of Parasha.
        Putin's "Russian World" cracked at the seams, died before he could be born. H. ylo and piz ... bol, it's better to fly with cranes and take tiger cubs as gifts. And how many people die in the fight against Bandera's fascism, then give a shit and fall asleep with roses, it is more important to drive gas to Geyropu, otherwise Miller's mug will lose weight.
        Purgin,, recognized New Russia as part of Urkain with scanty rights. am
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 15 October 2014 10: 18
          +1
          Purgin,, recognized New Russia as part of Urkain with scanty rights. am


          Is it you nesmiyana heard enough? Read the original, not the magazine rehash.
      3. alicante11
        alicante11 15 October 2014 09: 40
        0
        For decades, to integrate into the global economy, licking cream from a raw material needle and here once they have red stars shine on Budenovka.


        The monarchy was three hundred years old. And nothing, the stars shone.

        Brain with the idea of ​​equality of workers and social justice is unlikely to find understanding among the powerful


        He will not find it, but they will be forced, grinding their teeth, to support him, because otherwise they themselves will not live.

        Good or bad --- I honestly haven’t figured it out yet


        In the short term, this is a full-blown economic war and the collapse of the financial system of the world. And great tests for us. But in the long run - this is a chance for the revival of democracy, if there is Stalin.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 15 October 2014 11: 10
          -1
          Quote: alicante11
          The monarchy was three hundred years old. And nothing, the stars shone.
          But it was not the monarch who lit them. He mortally burned this flame. And the big bourgeoisie left for Paris.
          Quote: alicante11
          He will not find it, but they will be forced, grinding their teeth, to support him, because otherwise they themselves will not live.
          I hope that this is so. That at the top they understand the full measure of responsibility. The turning point. The economy is a mess, the forecasts are negative, and the most intelligent economists do not even know how events will unfold and do not give long-term forecasts. Such a multifaceted phenomenon, depending on many factors and conjuncture that mathematically, no one undertakes to predict exactly how events will develop. I just feel sorry for time. A lot of our resources just flew away in all sorts of Olympic salutes. And the world did not appreciate all this bloopers, the world only listens to strength. And it could now be more have. But this is already lyrics, we will see how they will revive what was under the USSR. Industry, agriculture and social care of people sufficient for our own security. And we have good people, we just have to honestly say how it is, and not keep silent. Although "they" know better there.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 15 October 2014 13: 29
            0
            But it was not the monarch who lit them. He mortally burned this flame. And the big bourgeoisie left for Paris.


            I would have lit it myself and would not have burned it :). Therefore, the GDP must be "ignited". But actually, I mean that others will light it up and not in Russia, but in Novorossia.

            I hope so. That at the top they understand the entire measure of responsibility.


            One must not hope, one must KNOW. Remember the words of McCain about the death of Gaddafi and the same fate for GDP. Such a sword over your head cleans your brains well ...
      4. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 15 October 2014 12: 03
        +1
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        Does the Kremlin need this?


        THIS is not necessary, but this is what is needed: 40 million or more live from them 5 thousand fascists (plus dividing madmen)! If these fascists are not killed, they themselves will kill each other! and with 40 million you’ll have to live and live side by side, and VAVKA will disappear from your head.

        Because of the "handful" of fascists - the people cannot be "erased"

        The Germans fell ill with fascism and nothing! And the Ukrainians will get sick - it’s a shame only for a long time - Ukrain, and to us for them!
      5. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 15 October 2014 12: 03
        0
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        Does the Kremlin need this?


        THIS is not necessary, but this is what is needed: 40 million or more live from them 5 thousand fascists (plus dividing madmen)! If these fascists are not killed, they themselves will kill each other! and with 40 million you’ll have to live and live side by side, and VAVKA will disappear from your head.

        Because of the "handful" of fascists - the people cannot be "erased"

        The Germans fell ill with fascism and nothing! And the Ukrainians will get sick - it’s a shame only for a long time - Ukrain, and to us for them!
        1. Tamparu
          Tamparu 15 October 2014 16: 18
          0
          Quote: nick 1 and 2

          Quote: Thunderbolt

          Does the Kremlin need this?


          THIS is not necessary, but this is what is needed: 40 million or more live from them 5 thousand fascists (plus dividing madmen)! If these fascists are not killed, they themselves will kill each other! and with 40 million you’ll have to live and live side by side, and VAVKA will disappear from your head.

          Because of the "handful" of fascists - the people cannot be "erased"

          The Germans fell ill with fascism and nothing! And the Ukrainians will get sick - it’s a shame only for a long time - Ukrain, and to us for them!


          You are deeply mistaken in the number of those who support the existing regime, unfortunately ... Of the 40 million, I think, they support at least a third, at least ... and this is about 10-15 million .. and we can’t do anything with it. ... not to kill everyone, not according to the Orthodox, it somehow ... request
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  3. DRA-88
    DRA-88 15 October 2014 08: 31
    +2
    The author turns out that those who are for justice and People’s power are benevolent Idealists and they seem to have no place on earth, but their dreams are not real!
    1. Demon0n
      Demon0n 15 October 2014 09: 35
      +1
      Quote: DRA-88
      The author turns out that those who are for justice and People’s power are benevolent Idealists and they seem to have no place on earth, but their dreams are not real!


      Idealism in itself! Is not bad! Striving for the ideal is what drives us all, motivating us to make the world around us and ourselves better than we are. But he must be balanced by reason. Continuation of the database, without! Direct! intervention of the Russian Federation, with a high probability will lead to a catastrophe (give up for a minute from bravado and victorious reports and assess the situation in its entirety: the strategic position of the militias_and_population is losing, and the relatively modest successes, blown up to the size of a universal scale, only confirm this) If you don’t agree, then it’s worth remembering that behind the backs of the junta there were quite a large number of players who didn’t fit in just because we didn’t fit in (there is no particular point in investing resources if the goal does not justify it). Make no mistake about the EU and others: they do not like the conditions of the "master", but in all other respects they are in complete agreement (that is, they will pounce on a sweet soul, indirect evidence of which can be observed in the "stupid" decisions and course of some countries).
      The same applies to the position of the Russian Federation: they do not hit us in full force (and this is far from the price of oil and gas: it is still impossible to keep low prices for a long time). Yes, we can develop our production, etc. (restore the full spectrum and chains, at least what is necessary), but this requires some "minimal" time, and the blow can be made immediately. The loss of a part of the market is not fatal, although it may! lead to catastrophic consequences in the long term, but according to the opposing strategy (an additional reason for the "stupidity" of the position of some states: the strategy is very promising) - this is not necessary, therefore, postponed as a fallback. This is not fatal for us either in the short term (if coups, revolutions, etc.) can be avoided, but in the long term, with a certain and rather high probability, it can lead to a catastrophe.
      You must always act on the basis of your capabilities and an objective assessment of the situation. To "fight" with the whole world is the very thing that broke off many in its time.
  4. saag
    saag 15 October 2014 08: 35
    +2
    "... To interpret the usual, in general, truth: that if a simple and direct path seems real and correct, then this does not mean that it is so in reality. And what if someone offers to slash with a sword backhand, deciding thus the outcome of the war, no matter how attractive and sincere his words are, he may well be mistaken. Moreover, he must be mistaken, cruelly and with disastrous consequences. "

    In civilian life, it was much worse, there was nothing to lose except for the idea, the gold reserves were stolen, there were no accounts and real estate abroad, except in France (the money of tsarist Russia for the purchase of weapons), however, they followed exactly the logic that the author presents as erroneous. the result of following the "erroneous" logic was the creation of a country with a new ideologically grounded system, towards which Mozgovoy, Dremov, Bezler are striving, it follows that the author's logic, or rather what he supports and promotes to the masses by publishing this article, is exactly the opposite
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 15 October 2014 09: 42
      +1
      The civilian was much worse


      No, then there were several centers of power in the world between which the Bolsheviks were able to glorify. And now, if we get bogged down in a civil war, they will destroy us. But this is in Russia, and in Novorossia - this is possible, because Russia is covering it with its army and a nuclear umbrella.
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 15 October 2014 09: 51
      0
      I agree with you saag fortune loves "risky". In a given civilian, only military successes allow successful negotiations. Taking Mariupol, Debaltseve (and they could take by entering the cities on the shoulders of the enemy) and reaching the operational space to Zaporozhye and Kharkov. The militia could keep the troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in constant tension by raiding DRGs, and thereby dispersing the forces of the army over great distances. The Ukrainians could not afford to keep garrisons and blocs in all villages and cities of these territories, neither then nor now, but to concentrate on a narrow section everything they can, which they are doing. thus, the Minsk agreements could become completely different. in the extreme case, it was possible to exchange the territories of neighboring regions for their own.
  5. shelva
    shelva 15 October 2014 08: 36
    +4
    Any split in the ranks of the militia is a victory for the enemies of the DPR and LPR. The Americans will rejoice - their "divide and rule" has worked again.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 15 October 2014 09: 43
      -1
      Any split in the ranks of the militia is a victory for the enemies of the DPR and LPR. The Americans will rejoice - their "divide and rule" has worked again.


      I also thought so, yesterday, but now I understand that THIS IS NOT SO!
  6. Egoza
    Egoza 15 October 2014 08: 37
    +7
    I fully admit that, despite the excellent statements, Zakharchenko and Pushilin have already "reached an agreement with Poroshenko and Akhmetov. In this way, these" figures "will be chosen in the leadership and" great greetings "to Novorossia. I somehow feel closer to A. Mozgovoy's opinion.
    1. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 15 October 2014 12: 02
      -1
      Hello to you Fidget! Yes, there is no split. It’s just now how the devils jumped out of the bottle those figures who spent so much time ineptly at the time when the best SONS of the PEOPLE were given to them back then under Slavyansk. This so-called elite of society is once again on its horse’s finest hour. You know what significant steps these gentlemen have taken, I don’t take such small steps as choosing a banner and some other little things. But there are already guilty people who couldn’t do it, and so on. This is the stumbling block. And he matured a long time ago, only the battles began in Slavyansk from there. After all, we still don’t know how Donetsk helped Slavyansk. But it’s time to pour mud on the defenders. They are annoyed by the fuss around the elections. The obscure steps of those who are exposed to power. There is no plan, there are no solutions, but they are ripe and time does not endure again. This is a heap of problems and requires immediate solutions. But in power, everything is fine and normal.
  7. DPZ
    DPZ 15 October 2014 08: 38
    +2
    And at the victory parade dedicated to the salvation of Ukraine and its reunification with Russia, all the commanders of the militia of Novorossia, together with the leadership of Russia, would come out under the same banner and with one truth for all.

    why the heck is this Ukraine to us? it is riddled with hatred of Russia. why warm a snake? The militia had good tasks: to create New Russia, one. and let Kuev on his own, and Galicia, too, and let them live there as they want.
    1. yana532912
      yana532912 15 October 2014 08: 43
      +2
      Quote: DPZ
      why the heck is this Ukraine to us? it is riddled with hatred of Russia. why warm a snake? The militia had good tasks: to create New Russia, one. and let Kuev on his own, and Galicia, too, and let them live there as they want.

      Agree. I used to sympathize, but now ....
      It is always someone else's fault. It is the Russians who are ruining their economy, killing soldiers, "Belgorod residents are dropping a monument to Lenin," provoking people to throw ridges and wear swastikas. And they themselves have nothing to do with it, just a very strong enemy, on whom everything can be blamed!
    2. Stanislav 1978
      Stanislav 1978 15 October 2014 08: 57
      0
      Quote: DPZ
      [
      why the heck is this Ukraine to us? it is riddled with hatred of Russia. why warm a snake?

      If you do not destroy the junta and liberate Ukraine from fascism, their ideology will remain so. Even if at least part of Ukraine remains under fascism, they will still cultivate hatred of Russia, and this is the snake on its side. Fascism must be crushed completely as in the 45th. And after the victory, start re-education, and it will take more than one year or even a decade, as today's youth is already a lost generation, but children can still be saved.
      Imagine the situation in World War II. Soviet troops stopped at the border of Poland, such as why do we need Europe. The same situation is developing here, to free Novorrossia, and Ukraine is not needed.
  8. Balamyt
    Balamyt 15 October 2014 08: 40
    +1
    Five years, you must forget about democracy. Otherwise, no use!
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 October 2014 08: 43
    +3
    Who is right will, of course, show history.

    In this situation, most likely, both sides of the militia are right. And I want to drive the junta to Kiev, but really not enough strength. And I want to stop the bloodshed, as a result of which civilians are dying and the Donbass infrastructure is almost completely destroyed. Time will tell.
  10. vdtomsk
    vdtomsk 15 October 2014 08: 43
    +3
    Quote: zao74
    I repeat - There is a war - military power! What the hell are the choices ?! Throw out the oligarchy from New Russia, nationalize property! Give USSR 2.0!
  11. valokordin
    valokordin 15 October 2014 08: 43
    0
    Why a truce, this can be recognized as a defeat, and the reason is Read Karl Marx and V.I. Lenin. Money is involved here and that’s it.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 15 October 2014 08: 49
      -1
      Quote: valokordin
      Money is involved here and that’s it.

      Money is just a tool to an end.
      In a particular case, to finally tear off a piece of its territory from Russia.
  12. parusnik
    parusnik 15 October 2014 08: 45
    +3
    There shouldn’t be a split ... The guys from the leadership of the DPR, LPR .. open history books .. study the experience of others ... Those mistakes that you may have made (but didn’t want to) made them before you ... Be more reasonable .. .
  13. tracker
    tracker 15 October 2014 08: 46
    +2
    Minsk split not only the defenders of New Russia, but the Ukrainian security officials and politicians into two camps, and in geopolitics there is also the 3rd and bloodiest side - the States. The shelling after the ceasefire is their business, their task is not to let the belligerent calm down to feel the taste of peaceful creation.
  14. shishakova
    shishakova 15 October 2014 08: 53
    +2
    Thank you!
    War is not only a "fight", it is an art and subtle diplomacy.
    What conflicts at the top of Novorosia - there will be no clarity for a long time.
    We believe in the victory of honest, fair people ...
  15. Dave36
    Dave36 15 October 2014 08: 53
    -3
    What independence .... if Moscow says to be, will be, if not .... will not. Recently, I don’t understand what Moscow needs ...
    1. Horly
      Horly 15 October 2014 08: 57
      -3
      To save the capital of their liberal elite in the West - that's what!
    2. zzz
      zzz 15 October 2014 09: 20
      0
      New Russia has to reckon with this choice of Moscow, and there is no betrayal on one side or the other. It is simply much more complicated than field battles in the Donbass (without any derogation of their meaning).

      That's the whole point that Moscow steers! And who said that there is no betrayal? Author? So he has his own opinion, and those who are in New Russia have his own opinion. And who steers from Moscow? What is all honest rule? I doubt it. The author writes beautifully, assuming that he is 100% right. And if we find out the truth, who steers from Moscow - Surkov, or Chubais, or the like, then everything will appear in a completely different light. I have no doubt in one thing that Strelkov, an honest man, was removed on the orders of Moscow, that the Minsk agreements seemed to accidentally appear before the capture of Mariupol, and that New Russia should be, at least, in the former borders of Donetsk and Lugansk regions!
  16. Serbor
    Serbor 15 October 2014 08: 59
    0
    The truth is always one and therefore it is difficult for her. Lies are many-sided. And no matter how regrettable it is to realize this, but Russia in the situation with New Russia is on the side of lies. An attempt to build a state based on social justice provokes frenzied resistance from both the capitalist west and oligarchic Russia. True, this resistance to Russia is bashful, veiled - they are afraid of losing the support of the population, but there is no doubt that the resistance is there. The article, in my opinion, is one of many informational throws aimed at justifying the position of Russia in Novorossia before public opinion.
  17. naGua
    naGua 15 October 2014 09: 02
    -3
    The Minsk Treaty simply repeated the effect of the Khasavyurt Treaty. Minsk (Munich) conspiracy. Lukashenka is riding a mare with satisfaction. Why, the peacemaker is in the spotlight! And ours are no better. And they are knocking down New Russia. The leadership of the DPR and LPR cannot share power in any way, and during a war it is like death. And there is no need to whistle about "secret plans and hidden goals." War defines only one goal - to defeat the enemy. The task was not global, to free Novorossiya. Reaching Kiev is a utopia. They think about peaceful construction by the end of the war, when victory is obvious. And "further peaceful settlement" is from the evil one. Peaceful settlement during the storming of Berlin in 45 sounds absurd. Only not for the oligarchs who are losing money from sanctions.
  18. Same lech
    Same lech 15 October 2014 09: 03
    +9
    Let's talk directly ... do the militias have real forces to continue the full-scale war .... the answer is no.
    To wage war behind the backs of RUSSIA is also not very noble.

    KREMLYA’s mistake was that the August militia attack was slowed down there too early ... it was necessary to reach at least the borders of New Russia, as well as Slavyansk, Mariupol. Kramatorsk is in the hands of the Natsiks and this puts the militias in a vulnerable position ... this is a minus.

    The plus is that KIEV is now in limbo and the survivability of the militia does not allow him to undertake anything against RUSSIA.

    Now we just need to consolidate the successes that have been achieved ... Hard times await us and it’s not worthwhile flogging a fever .... we need to measure a hundred times and cut off once.
    1. Owl27
      Owl27 15 October 2014 09: 10
      +4
      Again during this time, they in Kiev will gnaw each other's throats! Bandera to help them !!!
    2. Demon0n
      Demon0n 15 October 2014 11: 09
      0
      Quote: The same Lech
      Let's talk directly ... do the militias have real forces to continue the full-scale war .... the answer is no.
      To wage war behind the backs of RUSSIA is also not very noble.

      KREMLYA’s mistake was that the August militia attack was slowed down there too early ... it was necessary to reach at least the borders of New Russia, as well as Slavyansk, Mariupol. Kramatorsk is in the hands of the Natsiks and this puts the militias in a vulnerable position ... this is a minus.

      The plus is that KIEV is now in limbo and the survivability of the militia does not allow him to undertake anything against RUSSIA.

      Now we just need to consolidate the successes that have been achieved ... Hard times await us and it’s not worthwhile flogging a fever .... we need to measure a hundred times and cut off once.


      Is it a mistake "?" The ultimatum is always placed from a "strong position". You yourself admitted that the situation of the militia and Novorossiya is, to put it mildly, difficult. Why should Kiev make concessions? Sooner or later it was possible to pressurize. All the conditions for this were (which indirectly confirm the losses: i.e. the situation has changed) and are: rotation and training, restarting industry on a war footing, possible supplies of weapons and human material from outside (and not of the worst quality and even with many years of experience ). And then Mariupol and a number of other significant factors turned up. Taking, destroying large forces ..., (provided that all this is feasible ..., I am inclined to think about bluffing: to take a large defended city without extremely undesirable excesses and major losses - in my memory, in recent history this has not happened, with "boilers" - it's easier), it means to lose the "hostage", i.e. "strong hand" or bargaining chip. By the way, this is indirectly confirmed by bargaining on "borders".
      Do not forget that very soon the southern neighbors will be blown up (with an eye to our Caucasus and the economic union) ... Here there may be a miscalculation: if Ukraine is able to organize a "second front" by this time, the situation will become many times more complicated. However, I will not undertake to judge what was possible and what was not, and how correct the current decision is.
  19. someone
    someone 15 October 2014 09: 12
    0
    I think it is clear to everyone that these "Minsk agreements" are not worth the paper they are written on. Parashenko will not stop. He doesn't need the world. We need a land cleansed of the people, which they will gladly give to their owners. Therefore, on the one hand, it is correct that some militias do not agree with the "truce".
    But on the other hand, of course, there is no way to counterattack, head-on. Little strength. And for this reason I am inclined to believe that Moscow is not at all "merging" Novorossia. But he is just playing for time:
    1. Until the winter. Colds will come and Svidomo herd, banging their teeth, will storm the rain itself;
    2. Until the complete collapse of the Ukrainian economy. When there is no fat and vodka left, and there will only be drugs (which Khoyazev generously supply) and hunger, those who do not die out will try to arrange another maidan.

    Not soon is the end of this bacchanalia, and winter is near.
  20. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 15 October 2014 09: 23
    +2
    One of the weaknesses is the lack of unity. Political power - strong - we do not see.
    There is no unity in the army.
    One follows from the other. The power cannot unite the army, the army does not see power.
    There is a story - Civil War. Until the Red Army was formed with a single leadership and until a centralized government appeared, there was nothing good, only Makhnovism.
    Why were the terms of the Minsk Agreement signed? There is no single center "Defense Committee" of a single leadership, even the "Provisional Military Government" or whatever.
    But in my opinion there are some disagreements and no understanding.
    Time is running out. There is no leader. There is no single program.
    But there is still spirit and faith.
  21. Signature
    Signature 15 October 2014 09: 30
    +1
    From the picturesque motif with the moral transformation of Zakharchenko as a "bruiser" into Zakharchenko as a diplomat and statesman, the author smoothly moves on to the epic theme of the sacralized globally total irregularity of everything!
    At the same time, the author is unshakably convinced of the existence of objective reasons for the current "Moscow indecision" (as an obvious stimulus for Zakharchenkov's "transformation"). And, most importantly, the AUTHOR sees its value.
    It seems to me that it is a question of indecision and inconsistency, which do not produce special value, but, on the contrary, voluntarily ... squander it.
    Why, for example, is the AUTHOR so convinced that the position of today's Moscow is infallibly true?
    Hasn't the perspicacious Moscow overshadowed the Ukrainian "rift", which means that it "misunderstood" something about Ukrainian specifics?
    And was it not the same Moscow back in the spring ... stimulated the pondering Donbass to express its will (read: to a referendum / self-determination) and promised to help him tirelessly and until the logical finale, and then abruptly - "how cut it off" - changed her mind right off the bat? Or did she climb the bell tower of Ivan the Great only later - after all the promises !?
    And why did Moscow assure YANUKOVICH (and the well-known Sikorsky "swore" to this) that it was impossible to disperse the Maidan, although its timely dispersal was very even possible and urgently needed back in November (yes, and why did Moscow even see there - on the Maidan - as people - what could not have been in a bad dream?)?
    Having gathered all these questions into a well-known ensemble, you cannot answer them easily and simply (as the AUTHOR does), that is, with the mysteriously laconic phrase "Yes, it must be so! .."! ..
    In other words, this is not a straightforward analyst, but directly some kind of "psychedelic" publicistic ritual.
    1. biv61
      biv61 15 October 2014 09: 37
      +1
      I agree. There is a reasonable grain.
  22. Russian_German
    Russian_German 15 October 2014 09: 33
    +1
    The Minsk agreement is the same as the signing of a peace treaty with Hitler when the Germans were driven from Moscow. And what? Moscow is no longer in danger! And on the rest, the lost lands and the people living on them. Do a charitable deed, dunk the lawyer and any oligarch! And you and your relatives will be forgiven for centuries.
  23. Ascetic
    Ascetic 15 October 2014 09: 38
    +3
    This internal conflict in the ranks of the militia has always existed. The "maximalists" in the person of Strelkov, Mozgovoy. Bezler set the task, conditionally speaking, of war to a victorious end. Moderates Plotnitsky, Zakharchenko, Khodokovsky), on whom Moscow is betting, see their task in "freezing" the conflict until winter and liberating the territory only along the borders of the regions. In general, Ukraine is used to dividing it into three parts, although in reality the political and civilizational-cultural palette there is much deeper and wider, even in Russia, despite our vast spaces and numerous different peoples, there is no such division. Ukraine is a state sewn from shreds, each of which has its own idea of ​​its structure. The same historical Novorossia is far from homogeneous in its composition, this is the Cossack Lugansk, worker Donetsk, the capital-snobbish Kharkov, the free port Odessa. The same Zapukriya is far from homogeneous, and there is also liberal Kiev, Slobozhanshchina-Kaganate, Selyukovskaya Little Russia with ideology under whom it is more satisfying to go there and go. PASSIVE PARTICIPATION OF EXTERNAL FORCES. Hence the policy of multi-vector, non-aligned and "sitting on two" chairs, characteristic of Ukraine. And when the confrontation between the global players escalated, the Americans, through the elites controlled by them, launched a mechanism of destruction with the aim of weakening the influence of Russia and tearing the too close Europe away from it, all this shaky system of the Ukrainian oligopoly collapsed overnight. And the country turned into a Wild Field, following the example of Libya, Syria and Iraq. The process of disintegration has already started and now it is difficult to say what Ukraine will turn into in the future and which of the external players will win as a result. Now, only one thing is clear: that none of the external players wants to directly regulate this process and, most importantly, pay the bills of this protracted banquet. The Americans benefit from chaos and war in any form, Russia has taken a wait-and-see attitude from its bell tower (judging by the last speech of Putin), Europka is rushing between a rock and a hard place, trying to eat a fish and sit on a stake in the style of true gay Europeans. Well, for the people "cursed days" have come ... The main thing is to understand that there will be no Ukraine without Russia ...

    Hai we will be common and prey and death

  24. Postscriptum
    Postscriptum 15 October 2014 09: 52
    +1
    Everything will put its place in the elections in / in Ukraine. As soon as the first meeting, so to speak, is convened, inevitably a sharp aggravation on the current front of Novorosii. the Ukrainian junta has no opportunity to keep troops in their current winter positions, and they will inevitably put them into business (appointing Poltorak as the Ukrainian Defense Ministry in this regard is very logical and overseas bosses require clearing the territory). Just in this way, the Ukrainian junta itself is allowed to drive the stake deeper into ... you yourself know where and thereby, to bring a moral and legal justification for future actions. Perhaps this view is somewhat naive and other circumstances are the motive for Moscow’s actions, but at the moment I see the situation as follows.
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  25. Magadan
    Magadan 15 October 2014 10: 06
    +3
    But I do not know how to! Dilemma:

    1) he himself faced comrades who stood on the sidelines while bright, talented personalities started something from scratch and achieved success. As soon as a "valuable asset" appeared out of nothing, gray bespontovye personalities emerged from nowhere, who knew nothing but intrigue. And the most interesting thing - they got positions, privileges, etc. Those who deserved to reap the benefits were gradually pushed back and thrown overboard.
    In ancient times, this problem was known. Therefore, the princes gave titles to their Heroes. So that later they would be devoured by intrigues in intrigues.
    So I understand Brain
    2) on the other hand - in this truce, not everything is so bad. Militias quietly squeeze ukrov. Ukrainians do not conduct massive attacks, because the political situation and the publicity of negotiations around the world is hindering this. Militias do not have to destroy cities from artillery during assaults. The front is compact enough, convenient for defense, not stretched. Time for kaklov does not work, winter is ahead. Who knows - maybe they are already preparing plans for a coup in a single Kharkov or Odessa.
    In general, wait and see. But in any case, the election is muddy. Those HEROES who are fighting now should choose, and not those who are dumped in Russia or staying at home.
    This is not the case with democracy. I think that a volunteer from Russia has more rights than a man from the Donbass, who has a hut on the edge.
  26. Gardamir
    Gardamir 15 October 2014 10: 34
    -1
    For Brain! The wave of successful offensive was stopped, supposedly by armistice. How many people continue to die? And why was this all about? They dreamed of a free socialist New Russia, and an oligarchic Militia was created.
  27. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 15 October 2014 10: 55
    +2
    There are leaders in the army of New Russia!
    But there are no leaders of power!
    Whatever the general is a great commander, to destroy the enemy on the battlefield and lead the state are two different things.
    Until there is a strong and competent leader in power who can unite the army and power, there will be many more unjustified blood. And a lot of wood will be broken.
    1. DPZ
      DPZ 15 October 2014 14: 59
      -1
      while the war is about what kind of power in the state which has not yet been conquered to speak? here all forces must rush to the conquest of the state itself: everything for the front, everything for victory!
  28. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 15 October 2014 11: 36
    +3
    I am worried about another question. Less military. Now it is mid-October. There should be first frosts, and not far off the cold. What will happen to the civilian population in cities and villages that are completely or partially destroyed?
    After all, this is an important issue, even from a military point of view. Civilians are the rear. And the rear should be strong.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 15 October 2014 13: 33
      -1
      I am worried about another question. Less military. Now it is mid-October.


      You see, it worries you, but those who shout about the "drain of Novorossiya" - no. Well, in the end, they are not the ones who will freeze in destroyed houses and apartments with destroyed communications. Although, it may come to this, not this, but next winter, if they do not stop toil about the foolishness.
  29. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 15 October 2014 12: 34
    +3
    The pain and worries for the people of New Russia are understandable.
    Truce is a forced measure for now. No one believes in it. This is a clean pause between new fights. But with this fragile truce, Russia is saving not only Novorossia, but also itself. The peak, Russia, will not be able to influence the events in Ukraine if this operational pause is not reached. In war, you always have to sacrifice something, although it hurts.
    And do not talk about the severity of the situation in New Russia, while sliding into Western positions and blaming Russia for this. Primarily, The DPR and LPR themselves must show unity, both political and military. What needs to be helped is one, not fragmented.
    Everything has its time. AND time works for Russia and Novorossia.
  30. terrible
    terrible 15 October 2014 17: 01
    0
    the state of a sluggish conflict is actually beneficial to us. because while the war is on in Dombass in Ukraine, NATO bases will not appear! and fascist Kiev will not be able to accumulate resources for a throw to Moscow. equipment and people will be destroyed at the approaches. while there is a rearmament of the army, you can’t openly enter into conflict!