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Spit in the grandfather-great-grandfather - "zakhysty Ukraine"?

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Spit in the grandfather-great-grandfather - "zakhysty Ukraine"?Well, that's all. If it was not yet clear to anyone what kind of state and what patterns was being built in post-fledged post-Maid Ukraine, then today, October 14 and 2014, everything has become extremely obvious. Everything fell into place. This day was declared by the decree of the president “The Day of the Ukrainian Descent” (Day of the Defender of Ukraine). Instead of the traditional February 23, approved in this capacity by presidential decree of Ukraine No. 202 of February 23 of 1999. Everything seems to be done in a godly way - on a day when Orthodox and Greek Catholics celebrate the day of the Protection of the Most Holy Theotokos.

This is one of 12's greatest church holidays of the year. And also in Ukraine, the 14 of October from 1999, is also the Day of the Cossacks. Everything seems to be logical: all the sisters are in earrings. And they covered themselves with God, having united two numerous confessions - Orthodox and Uniates - in the festival. And they thought about the Cossacks, stressing that modern Ukrainians are descendants of Cossacks.

But let's not be cunning. At least in front of themselves. October 14 is the day of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), which was created from the combat units of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), scraps of the SS division “Galicia”, Ukrainian punitive, police and firing squads during the defeated German Fascist Wehrmacht and SS units and the German police. Created by the UPA, allegedly to fight for "vilna nezalezhnu Ukraine." With everyone who does not want this kind of Ukraine. Now the UPA sympathizers are foaming at the mouth that the rebels fought fervently on two sides - against the Germans and against the Red Army and the Soviet partisans. And the president introduced a new Day of Defender of Ukraine "in order to honor the courage and heroism of the defenders of the independence and territorial integrity of Ukraine, military traditions and victories of the Ukrainian people, to further strengthen the patriotic spirit in society and in support of public initiative."

I will not argue with that. Of course, the UPA clashes with the Germans were inevitable. But what about this is written by representatives of those with whom the UPA allegedly fought. German field marshal Erik von Manstein, who was later defeated at Stalingrad by no means “fighters” of the UPA, wrote in his memoirs about his service in Ukraine: “In general, there were three types of partisan detachments: Soviet partisans who fought with us and terrorized the local population; Ukrainian, who fought with the Soviet partisans, but, as a rule, released the Germans who fell into their hands and took away from them weapon; Finally, the Polish partisan gangs that fought with the Germans and Ukrainians. " “Curators”, as we see, were released ...

But the partisan Major General Alexei Fyodorov, two times Hero of the Soviet Union, writes in a memorandum to Nikita Khrushchev and to the Chief of Staff of the Ukrainian Partisan Movement Tymofiy Strokach: “Being a long time (June 1943 - January 1944) in the Volyn and Rivne regions, we didn’t dispose of Volyn and Rivne regions. “Or facts about where the Ukrainian nationalists, in addition to the widespread idle talk in their press, fought against the German invaders and enslavers.” There are other facts: the UPA could not prevent the export of thousands of Ukrainian population of the western regions around 500, which, according to its legend, it allegedly controlled, to hard labor in Germany. Why? "The Führer of the German people" needed slaves, and the Führer himself was an ally in the struggle against the "sovitams" ...

On October 14, various activities were planned aimed at building an allegedly “Ukrainian Ukraine”. They wanted a court to ban the Communist Party of Ukraine. In Kiev, however, to seize the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, in order to “wrest it from the hands of the Moscow priests”, and throughout the country - to take away temples from believers of the UOC of the Moscow Patriarchate. Many were going to continue the "Leninopad" and supplement it with the demolition of other "monuments to Soviet totalitarianism" and "colonial occupation", in particular, the monument to Empress Catherine II in Odessa.

Now all over Ukraine are the so-called "UPA marches." One of them goes to the Verkhovna Rada to demand recognition of the UPA and at the highest legislative level. Parliament speaker Oleksandr Turchynov has already voted on the 2111 bill “On the recognition of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army as a belligerent party in the Second World War for the Freedom and Independence of Ukraine” seven times. However, the deputies did not manage to include the bill on the agenda - there were not enough votes; the maximum votes that were given for the inclusion of the bill in the agenda - 220 with 226 required.

But all this will come true to one degree or another. Not today, so in the following days - spiritual and moral Rubicon, connecting history two Ukrainians, crossed by the crafty, covered with fig leaves references to religion and history, but the actual legalization of the UPA.

In terms of their significance, a new decree on the Day of Defender of Ukraine is comparable, for example, to the fact that in Russia on the same day instead of February 23 they would recognize the day of the creation of the “Russian Liberation Army” (ROA) of General Andrei Vlasov. Or in Germany, the day of national reconciliation would call the day when the SS or Gestapo troops were created.

In Ukraine, it’s easy: the day of those who defeated German Nazism and Fascism in World War II, which was the Great Patriotic War for Ukraine, was canceled. In his place "appointed" day of those who shot in the backs of the winners. And the winners of these were three quarters of Ukraine, which lost millions of its fellow citizens in the war. And in the winning army, and in the rear. There is no geographical or elementary human logic in this decree. The area of ​​activity of the UPA is three regions of Western Ukraine, the rest of Ukraine sent its sons to the Red Army. And now the memory of those who died or survived after that terrible world war, but defended their country, was outlawed, crossed out with decisions, momentary and opportunistic, but far-reaching in their consequences.

The total separation of Ukraine from its history, traditions and memory continues. Everything that connected and connects with the past is uprooted with blood. And all this is done under the familiar slogan “Get the look of Moscow!”. Ukraine of the type is leaving the “Russian world”, losing forever a part of its heroic past, shared with Russia, with the Russian people. Spitting on the memory of their real, not imaginary and newly-minted "heroes."

Ukraine is still considered by its authorities as a testing ground for the struggle against Russia. For this, money has already been paid on Independence and after it. Under this "order" are new arrivals. Under the loyalty to this order, they promise both new credits and new europreferences. New fighters and commanders are prepared and processed properly for the fulfillment of the assigned tasks. Ready, alas, to fight for Ukraine, it seems, to the last Ukrainian. At any price. Regardless. For example, and. about. Economic Development and Trade Minister Valery Pyatnitsky said recently that the Ukrainian government is ready to impose restrictions on imports from the Russian Federation if it imposes similar sanctions on Ukrainian goods. “According to our calculations, the possible trade restrictions that Russia can impose against us cover the turnover of about $ 3,5 billion. Therefore, we have prepared our own measures, which can be introduced in response. There is a slightly smaller amount, it covers goods worth $ 2,5 billion, ”he said.

And this is despite the fact that Russia, ostensibly not wanting to “freeze Ukrainian brothers in the winter”, but in fact fearing further complications with Europe and the United States, is ready to restructure Kiev’s gas debts and resume gas supplies to Ukraine. But do not need proud Kiev gas! He was ordered a war with Russia. And the fact that people will freeze, do not care when such a historical issue is solved - the fight against the empire at the request and on the instructions of the United States ....

Where it leads? All this means one thing: there will be no peace in Ukraine for a long time. Yes, the population, intimidated by neo-Nazi militants and neo-fascists, overwhelmed by impending poverty, is likely to swallow this “vyser-stuffing” of fashionable ersatz-patriotism and the fight against “Russian aggression”.

But will it be swallowed up in Russia and in the Donbass, which does not want to live in such Ukraine? Russia, part of its decision-making elite, is still trying to flirt with those who never love them in Ukraine, and it seems that if they don’t merge the Donbass, they will transfer it to a “frozen” regime for their agony. And Ukraine, and Novorossia, from which people on both sides of the line, which will separate the ATO and militia forces today, will suffer.

Well what can I say? So ex-President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych tried to act, who spat and betrayed his electorate in the south-east of the country and in every way sought out the love of the Galicians and other patriots. And where is this Yanukovych now? And Russia, prolonging the agony, risks getting a hostile state on its borders. Neo-Nazi and neo-fascist. Rescued by her, however, still erasing the teeth to the roots in impotent, but extremely aggressive malice and Russophobia.

Well, in the Donbass mood is also clear. Residents of the DNI and the LC of the new “Day of Defender of Ukraine” will only convince of the correctness of their choice, for which they are fighting with arms. They were saved from the consequences of the Maidan, as they will continue to act. In particular, the DPR Prime Minister Alexander Zakharchenko has already said today: his republic does not plan to withdraw heavy machinery from the line of contact with the ATO. Due to non-compliance with the terms of the truce from the Ukrainian side. And because of everything else that Kiev continues to demonstrate. Donbass still fears Kiev and does not believe it. “We don’t have any special equipment. Ukraine has a much larger territory, but they are also not in a hurry to withdraw it. ... A possible attack (on Donetsk and the DPR. - Auth.) Can begin immediately after the elections (to the 26 Parliament of October of this year - Auth.). The DPR would not want war, but if they (the Kiev authorities — Auth.) Do not understand a peaceful language, it means that we are ready to talk to them differently, ”said Zakharchenko. And it is unlikely that Moscow will decree him in the opposite ...

This is what the DPR and the LPR fear:



And what do you think followed the reaction of the West? As if not so. Einars Graudins from Latvia, who spoke about the Ukrainian regime, was immediately accused of not being a human rights activist or a European. That he had no right to speak on behalf of the OSCE or the West, retreating from the “temniki” distributed for “correct” coverage of the events in the DPR and the LPR. In an interview with Radio Liberty, a spokesman for the OSCE, Natasha Rayakovich, said: “At the moment we are checking the identity of this person, but he is definitely not a member of the OSCE Special Observation Mission in Ukraine. We are trying to find out who he really is and where he came from, but he is not listed among our employees. And, of course, we can not confirm the accuracy of any of his statements. The only statements we can confirm are statements made officially by our special observation mission in Ukraine. ” And then even add nothing.

And because in the DNR and LC perfectly understand what they sing in this song. And what to do with it, nobody knows ...

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  1. Revolver
    Revolver 15 October 2014 08: 33
    +16
    Well, the moronic hara in the photo at the beginning of the article, and the hairstyle and embroidery only emphasize debility.
    1. sscha
      sscha 15 October 2014 08: 38
      +8
      That's what degenerates look like.
      And what? Low set eyebrows, flat forehead and more ...
      Interesting - does he himself know who he really is? Oh yes! Color ukro-nation .... laughing
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 15 October 2014 12: 47
        +1
        ukro-pitecus vulgaris - common pitek ordinary
    2. 12423 student
      12423 student 15 October 2014 09: 06
      +2
      military traditions and victories of the Ukrainian people
      What are these victories?
      Read the entire list please.
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 15 October 2014 11: 20
        0
        Quote: student 12423
        Read the entire list please.

        Offhand: Yellow Waters, where the Polish army was defeated. Victory in 1648 near Pilyavtsy. And so Google to help.
    3. The comment was deleted.
    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 15 October 2014 09: 24
      +4
      fellow FREE IDEA “WISE” BY UKRAINIAN AUTHORITIES! If they so much hate Russia and everything Russian, then why still have not thought of changing the name of their state! Indeed, in the word “UKRAINE” there are letters “P” and “I”, which are also in the word “RUSSIA”! Is it possible to endure this ?! And the States may not understand this! It is urgently necessary to remove the letters so hated by them from the name of the state, and then there will be the state of UKANA, and it would be even better to name it UKANDA - this name is much more suitable for the poor and the state that is ruining it! And Poroshenko, whose father took the name of his wife and did not become Valtsman, but Poroshenko, should also change his name, remove these letters that he hates, which are in the word "RUSSIA"! Then there will be Peter PSHENK - this also suits and sounds better wassat
    5. bistrov.
      bistrov. 15 October 2014 09: 32
      +3
      Quote: Nagan
      Well, the fucking dick in the photo at the beginning of the article

      And look at the contemptuous squinting of the eyes, this one will stick a knife in the back and will not ask the surname. Russia will still have to face this "indecent", in principle it is no longer possible to re-educate them, they can only be destroyed. We need to seriously prepare for this.
    6. vaaaaadik
      vaaaaadik 15 October 2014 09: 54
      0
      This is the modern "face" of Benderism!
    7. Drmadfisher
      Drmadfisher 15 October 2014 10: 23
      0
      twist head like a fan and blow us all away laughing
    8. Soyuz-TM
      Soyuz-TM 15 October 2014 12: 11
      -7
      Well, the moronic hara in the photo at the beginning of the article, and the hairstyle and embroidery only emphasize debility.
      They just chose an unsuccessful angle and a non-photogenic face. Be objective, this was done on purpose, to form a negative attitude towards the brotherly people. There are enough such nerds in any army in the world. And in the Russian or American armies there are no less of such "moronic mugs".
      Unfortunately, veterans are passing away and it was no longer possible to clarify how IT was. Therefore, scribblers and correspondents of the events of the Second World War, which often write on request, divorced. To the good memory of the soldiers of the Soviet Army, no one pours dirt - this is a myth of Russian propaganda. To evaluate the actions of UPA fighters, it is necessary not only to leaf through the NKVD archives (which are official documents treating events one-sidedly), but also to interview the local population who have preserved the memory of those events.
      My great-grandfather, a partisan in "Veresenskie and Bryanskie Lisakh", sparingly told my mother about the Second World War, and told only good things about contacts with UPA units. The UPA warriors, unlike the partisans, did not engage in looting, did not terrorize the local population, did not drink, were perfectly organized. And I believe every word of my great-grandfather.
      Glory to our Gods and Frontiers!
      1. Good cat
        Good cat 15 October 2014 12: 21
        0
        Volyn is also not UPA?
      2. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 15 October 2014 14: 08
        +1
        and in what units did your ancestor "partisan"?
    9. GRAMARI111
      GRAMARI111 15 October 2014 12: 52
      +1
      Well, what did you want? heroism and unprecedented exploits from the ancestors of Bandera? remember who the Bandera dogs attacked — defenseless women, children and old people. with a huge crowd. the only battle with the Red Army lasted only half an hour, during which time the Bandera offspring lost half of its people, although it would be more correct to say - non-people
  2. Loner_53
    Loner_53 15 October 2014 08: 34
    +8
    And this despite the fact that Russia, allegedly not wanting “Freeze Ukrainian brothers in winter”,
    when will this insanity end? Brothers? Are those who climb into my house with a knife and a machine gun to kill me and my loved ones? ON ,,, I have such a brother! I don’t have to drag such a brother (pictured above) am
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 October 2014 08: 35
    +11
    Part of the Ukrainian population thinks that it is enough to wear embroidered shirts, shave your head and grow a crest, abandon Soviet history, hate Russians, praise Bandera, and here it is - Ukraine has taken place. Now the West will flood the US with money (congenital freebie virus), heal happily and richly. Russia "will not gobble up u.kropia", but will envy with black envy. No guys. You will shed more blood until you begin to understand where you have gone and how far.
  4. sanja.grw
    sanja.grw 15 October 2014 08: 35
    +8
    Well, that's a mustache, they sailed.
  5. Finches
    Finches 15 October 2014 08: 36
    +9
    Ordinary fascism!
    And the West is behind it, like 70 years ago, actively pushing the brown, yellow-blockade plague on Russia! That would once again slow down our development with the wrong hands, and fill our pockets with bloody dollars and shake our economies through war!
    Eco not seen! Passed by! But then again, we should strangle this pad in the bud ... al, back in March-June, no, we again, as in 1941, still think that it could cost ....
  6. yana532912
    yana532912 15 October 2014 08: 37
    +3
    For some reason, the village idiots decided that if an agreement was signed with the EU, then salaries and pensions would immediately become like in Europe. With what joy? Only Russia sponsors Nakhalyavu. And did any of them think that an agreement was signed with the EU, according to which they would resettle gypsies from all over Europe?
    Ukraine will not be accepted into the European Union - and it will not be accepted not because Ukraine is almost impoverished, but because it has 40 million people and, in addition, they are mostly trampled.
    Under Yanukovych, everything was much worse. Now at least the country is breathing freely.
    1. Egoza
      15 October 2014 08: 47
      +2
      Quote: yana532912
      And did any of them think that an agreement was signed with the EU, according to which they would resettle gypsies from all over Europe?

      And what, does someone declare this to the people?

      Quote: yana532912
      Under Yanukovych, everything was much worse. Now at least the country is breathing freely.

      Who is "breathing"? These ones?

      Avakov. Less than a year
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 15 October 2014 08: 58
      +4
      Quote: yana532912
      Ukraine will not be accepted into the European Union - and will not be accepted

      hi - Why will no one ever accept Ukraine into the EU? Well-known financial analyst Alexander Okhrimenko gave a comprehensive answer to this main question of Ukrainian life. The fact is that under EU law, the number of deputies in the European Parliament depends on the number of people in the country. Previously, small countries such as Lithuania or Slovakia accepted the EU without problems - there are few people and, accordingly, few of their deputies. If you accept Ukraine or Turkey into the EU (they also do not accept it for the same reason, although she applied for EU membership more than 10 years ago) lol then there will be a problem. Automatically, the number of deputies from Ukraine plus deputies from Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and other East European countries will be greater than from France or Germany, including their main allies. As a result, Germany and France will lose control not only over the European Parliament, but most importantly - over the EU government. Why do they need it? what To make it pleasant for some Poroshenko, some heroes of the next Independence Square there? They did not create the EU for this purpose, which would share power over itself and the most “free-spirited” niches in the world economy with some kind of Ukraine. request
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 15 October 2014 12: 41
      0
      Quote: yana532912
      Under Yanukovych, everything was much worse. Now at least the country is breathing freely.

      As for free breathing, in my opinion, you somehow went too far.
      What prevented us from waiting a year and choosing another president?
      There would be no territorial or human losses - gas wars and a drop in living standards in parallel with a drop in the hryvnia.
      They say that the air of freedom intoxicates - but it simply cuts down Ukrainians tightly.
  7. vdtomsk
    vdtomsk 15 October 2014 08: 41
    +2
    And this is despite the fact that Russia, ostensibly not wanting to “freeze Ukrainian brothers in the winter”, but in fact fearing further complications with Europe and the United States, is ready to restructure Kiev’s gas debts and resume gas supplies to Ukraine. But do not need proud Kiev gas! He was ordered a war with Russia. And the fact that people will freeze, do not care when such a historical issue is solved - the fight against the empire at the request and on the instructions of the United States ....
  8. terrible
    terrible 15 October 2014 08: 43
    0
    Just Russians are not allowed into Europe. Here they come out of their way to prove that they are non-Russian!
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 15 October 2014 09: 11
      +7
      Quote: formidable
      Just Russians are not allowed into Europe.


      Really needed
  9. Dbnfkmtdbx
    Dbnfkmtdbx 15 October 2014 08: 44
    0
    Well, the photo wasn’t understood, give an up-to-date, interesting article so that you could think about it, and not that it gets people even without evil tago ...
  10. Silumin
    Silumin 15 October 2014 08: 46
    +5
    In principle, what is the difference when in this territory they will jump on holidays. Kuchma also wrote a book Ukraine - not Russia. This is not the point already.

    I’m interested in something else: why did the leadership of the Russian Federation need to maintain a Russophobic state on its borders? After all, Ukraine is a very good springboard for the invasion of Russia.
    1. RAE8
      RAE8 15 October 2014 09: 39
      +1
      I’m interested in something else: why did the leadership of the Russian Federation need to maintain a Russophobic state on its borders?
      And one more interest on the same topic: what will lead to such a dissonance between the rhetoric of the President of the Russian Federation and the actual actions of the Russian Federation in relation to New Russia and the outskirts?
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 15 October 2014 12: 54
        0
        "loss of face (image loss)" and "damage to the international authority of the Russian Federation."
        "I shouted - are you stunned there?
        Dropped chess prestige "(c) V. Vysotsky
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 15 October 2014 12: 56
      0
      The center for making such decisions ("preservation / destruction of the Russophobic state on the borders of the Russian Federation") is not in Moscow, but in a somewhat different place.
  11. SAM 5
    SAM 5 15 October 2014 08: 46
    +4
    The author (V. Skachko) and E. Graudins respect and a low bow for the truth.
  12. Gray 43
    Gray 43 15 October 2014 08: 47
    +1
    Another sign of Russophobic zombie-heroes and defenders are traitors and terrorists. Poles are delighted ???? They also got it from these "heroes"
    1. nika407
      nika407 15 October 2014 10: 32
      0
      Quote: Gray 43
      Poles are delighted ???? They also got it from these "heroes"
      The Poles are thrilled. But at the same time they complicated the process of obtaining visas and stopped buying milk and meat. Only our all to these bawdy - brothers, brothers ...
  13. lav67
    lav67 15 October 2014 08: 48
    +5
    And rightly so! in the country of victorious homosexuals, in the country that lay under the fascists, there is no place for the holiday of February 23! Why not blame him! This is a holiday for MEN, a holiday for those who defeated fascism.
  14. shelva
    shelva 15 October 2014 09: 01
    +3
    These can not be re-educated, although you can try dust.
  15. Singularist
    Singularist 15 October 2014 09: 07
    +2
    Quote: yana532912

    Under Yanukovych, everything was much worse. Now at least the country is breathing freely.


    I don’t know about free breathing. We periodically communicate with friends from Kiev and Kharkov. Conversations only on everyday topics. To the question of how are you, the answer is one - normal. Moreover, all points on i were placed in the spring. There was a strong opinion that they are just very afraid to discuss something on the phone, they’re practically never anywhere, they move by rushing from home to work and back, carefully hiding their eyes and like ostriches stuck their heads in the sand. In short, breathe freely with full breasts.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 15 October 2014 12: 58
      0
      But you can jump and shout popular chants as much as you like and hang a banner "PTN-PNH" on the car
  16. Lyolik
    Lyolik 15 October 2014 09: 25
    0
    [quote = sanja.grw] Well, here we have, sailed. to the heroes of the sal [/ quote
    That's how it gets very scary. As if, from such a broleta it would be fenced off, well, like a visa regime would not hurt to establish for a start. lol
  17. Zebrolev
    Zebrolev 15 October 2014 09: 31
    0
    From personal. A guy served in my company, as they say now, a Westerner. I remember the last name - Datsyuk. He served neither shakily nor swiftly, constant conflicts, arrogance: I am a Western Ukrainian, and you all ... About 3-4 weeks before the demobilization in an empty barracks I beat an orderly, a young kid of their Kemerovo, while I was in the company’s chancellery, I became witness and participant in the event. Details may be interesting, but here they are not so important. Datsyuk Sr. came to rescue his son. When I saw him for the first time, I saluted him: the iconostasis is on the tunic of the WWII model! Major tanker. Patches for injuries. Fights on Balaton .... Communicated with him thoroughly and with pleasure. He defended his son, the case was closed, but after about six months, a request from the prosecutor's office for a description of Private Datsyuk came. Recently, I often recall this incident. Actually.
  18. ed65b
    ed65b 15 October 2014 09: 39
    0
    In general, prepare New Russia for a new military campaign - the winter.
  19. TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 15 October 2014 09: 51
    0
    Ukraine got what it deserved! Half - criminals and bandits rampage, the other half stupidly hides and tries to pretend that nothing is happening. Hopefully. that can "resolve itself". Only Donbass showed that normal people live there.
  20. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 October 2014 09: 59
    +1
    "The land of those who beguiled the shores", that's what it is called. Together with pro-balts, who are also allowed to throw left-handed ones to us. Well, it is understandable that a respected person will not allow himself to say that, because they can ask for this and deprive him of respect. And this is all allowed, because they are no one and no name. And they know that they live only as long as it makes sense to keep them against us. In the event of a change in landmarks, they will be harshly sentenced and end up like countries. Most likely, they will not even be included in their boundaries, but will simply die out.
    And for the quick end, Ruins should not be hoped for. For there is still something to bargain with. So if there does not begin kneading at the top, we will endure this cesspool near by for a long time.
  21. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever 15 October 2014 10: 20
    -2
    The article is controversial ... And therefore ... there are questions to the author.

    On the one hand, he declares "... Ukraine, like, is leaving the" Russian world ", losing forever a part of its heroic past, shared with Russia, with the Russian people ...".
    However, Ukraine did not make its choice today. It’s like in a fairy tale about three brothers, when they reached the stone - and then one went to the left, the other to the right and only one straight.

    On the other hand, the author declares ".. But proud Kiev does not need gas! They ordered a war with Russia ...".
    And I think Kiev needs gas, but only on its TERMS.

    And here are the very words for which this article was actually written:
    "But will he be swallowed in Russia and in the Donbass, which does not want to live in such a Ukraine? Russia, part of its decision-making elite, are still trying in Ukraine to flirt with those who will never love them, and it seems that if do not drain Donbass, then they transfer it to a "frozen" regime and with their help for agony. Both Ukraine and Novorossia, from which people on both sides of the line dividing the anti-terrorist operation troops and the militias will suffer. "

    And every time I want to ask such "smart people" - "What should Russia do?"
    For example, why, while Strelkov stood in Slavyansk, the local people did not go to the militia, but the local men went to Russia or sat at home. That, in this, too, the Russian elite is to blame.

    Why, when there was an encirclement of Slavyansk, representatives of the Ukrainian authorities were sitting in Donetsk, and the same Khodakovsky did not want to submit to Strelkov, which he openly admitted.
    For which Kononov received a hero, and Donetsk airport and the adjacent territories are today a "headache" of the civilian population.
    And why do such authors require the entry of Russian troops, so that the walk-field of Donbass would later blame the Russian elite as they are today blaming both Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky.

    First of all, the blame should not be on the Russian elite, which "merges", but on the LOCAL, who have not yet found a language among themselves. And they are still doing a showdown BETWEEN YOURSELF.
    And the Russian elite cannot forbid them to do this.

    Local commanders are "dad", who today is each on his own with his own laws.
    But the main thing is not a common ideology, but it is the cement of any society. And the words of the Strelkov that he had both red, and white, and Cossacks - in fact, do not withstand any criticism.
    In Kiev today, national fascism, which means that after the victory over it, will take place no less bloody drama - white and red, as well as supporters of the ideology of "Father Makhno", which still takes place today.
    And the Russian elite has nothing to do with this either. She has only one desire - to prevent the development of more bloody events and not to draw Russia into them, Russia has no less than her problems.
    The absence of a center in Donbass is precisely the "Makhnovshchina" no less dangerous than fascism. That is why Strelkov is wrong, accusing him of "sinking". It's my opinion...
    It is not good to shift responsibility from a "sick" head to those who are not related to this "disease".
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 15 October 2014 13: 10
      0
      all of the above is a substantiation of the thesis that "Russia is not a participant in the intra-Ukrainian conflict." Or a statement of the fact that the score in the match "America vs Russia" at the moment is 3: 1.
      I explain:
      Nazi uk junta rules most of urkaina
      Economic sanctions imposed against Russia; EU-Russia cooperation seriously weakened
      The surrender of the Donbass will be a serious geopolitical defeat for Russia
      --
      "But KrymNyash"
      1. Tanechka-clever
        Tanechka-clever 15 October 2014 17: 29
        +1
        Quote: OldWiser
        The surrender of the Donbass will be a serious geopolitical defeat for Russia


        Donbass I want to remind YOU is the territory of a foreign state and do not compare the Crimea and Donbass. Many really want to draw parallels, but in reality they simply DO NOT.

        On the territory of Crimea there were our troops and the surrender of Crimea would really be geopolitical defeat, because TOMORROW there would already be an American base itself the most powerful and largest in Europe, although today it is already in Kosovo.
        But two BASIS for the USA is better.

        In Donbass there are no and there were no our troops, which means that the CHOICE was only for LOCAL.
        And they did it, but not everyone wanted to defend this choice with weapons.
        Miners of Donbass, when it was already "hot" through the streets of Donetsk, marched and threatened Kiev from afar. I think the miners were and are still playing their game, and Akhmetov is its director, if his enterprises have not yet been nationalized.

        Therefore, when there is a local balance of INTERESTS, it has nothing to do with the geopolitics of Russia. Unless, of course, far-fetched "FOR THE EARS". Like a slogan "for the Russian world" .... And the mess in Donbass proves it ...
        The slogan can be different, but interests are specific.
        But the most unsuccessful option is with local showdowns - to hang the solution of problems on others, stir up and "catch".
        The USA thrives when there is a war. I personally know those who have warmed up their hands in Transnistria under the slogan "we will not surrender ours."
        For many, war anywhere is a means to quickly improve their financial situation and this is not a secret. They are usually called "soldiers of LUCK".
      2. Tanechka-clever
        Tanechka-clever 15 October 2014 17: 29
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        Quote: OldWiser
        The surrender of the Donbass will be a serious geopolitical defeat for Russia


        Donbass I want to remind YOU is the territory of a foreign state and do not compare the Crimea and Donbass. Many really want to draw parallels, but in reality they simply DO NOT.

        On the territory of Crimea there were our troops and the surrender of Crimea would really be geopolitical defeat, because TOMORROW there would already be an American base itself the most powerful and largest in Europe, although today it is already in Kosovo.
        But two BASIS for the USA is better.

        In Donbass there are no and there were no our troops, which means that the CHOICE was only for LOCAL.
        And they did it, but not everyone wanted to defend this choice with weapons.
        Miners of Donbass, when it was already "hot" through the streets of Donetsk, marched and threatened Kiev from afar. I think the miners were and are still playing their game, and Akhmetov is its director, if his enterprises have not yet been nationalized.

        Therefore, when there is a local balance of INTERESTS, it has nothing to do with the geopolitics of Russia. Unless, of course, far-fetched "FOR THE EARS". Like a slogan "for the Russian world" .... And the mess in Donbass proves it ...
        The slogan can be different, but interests are specific.
        But the most unsuccessful option is with local showdowns - to hang the solution of problems on others, stir up and "catch".
        The USA thrives when there is a war. I personally know those who have warmed up their hands in Transnistria under the slogan "we will not surrender ours."
        For many, war anywhere is a means to quickly improve their financial situation and this is not a secret. They are usually called "soldiers of LUCK".
  22. Yasondinalt
    Yasondinalt 15 October 2014 10: 43
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    We then read such articles, but ukrorody- no. And what is there to discuss, what is normal for a normal person!
  23. goose
    goose 15 October 2014 10: 59
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    Quote: TVM - 75
    Ukraine got what it deserved! Half - criminals and bandits rampage, the other half stupidly hides and tries to pretend that nothing is happening. Hopefully. that can "resolve itself". Only Donbass showed that normal people live there.

    And what else can hatascism lead to? The dictatorship of any active minority is guaranteed. Whether fascists, even beer lovers, even Barcelona fans - any choice. There is political anarchy in the country. This cannot last long, and it will not be cured by itself.
    There will be a crisis and surgery. The only question is who will be appointed as a surgeon or pathologist (God forbid, but there is a chance).
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 15 October 2014 13: 14
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      Russia should disentangle (and restore what was destroyed). And in order for her to take up this worthy business as late as possible, mattress makers will "to the last Ukrainian" throw firewood into the fire of the civil war (but strictly dosed - just so that it does not go out).
  24. brom
    brom 15 October 2014 12: 51
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    You can’t even copy-paste normally, that they stuck one video twice. In the original they are different.
  25. yvk-evg
    yvk-evg 15 October 2014 13: 07
    +2
    All! This is the edge, in the sense - there is nowhere else! If OUR Russian leadership gives this Baderstat gas with any delays and installments of debts, and even marinates Donbass, then I (I think not only me, but many, many more) no longer have the right to consider this leadership OUR !!! There will be a corresponding attitude towards its further domestic activities and all elections there at any level! In the same batch and "national treasure" Gazprom! By the way, it never said in its advertisement whose national treasure it was! Judging by the fact that in the villages grannies already go to bed in quilted jackets (quilted jackets), fearing to once again use the "national treasure" (this has never happened without the "national treasure" with firewood and coal), it is not ours, but quite the opposite! Banderlog will have the right to consider it theirs with great reasons!
  26. Verden
    Verden 15 October 2014 18: 01
    +1
    We must defend our great past and use any possible means of influence for this.
    For example, officially declare that there will be no gas in Ukraine until Parashenko recognizes the crimes of Bandera and publicly apologizes to the Veterans.
    It is high time to dot the "i" s. We honor our ancestors, and we must convey our position to the world at the highest level. The MOSSAD and the KGB physically eliminated Nazi collaborators. It is time for modern Russia to show that it sees everything and does not forget anything.
  27. rocker_39
    rocker_39 15 October 2014 21: 48
    +2
    Quote: Verden
    We must defend our great past and use any possible means of influence for this.
    For example, officially declare that there will be no gas in Ukraine until Parashenko recognizes the crimes of Bandera and publicly apologizes to the Veterans.
    It is high time to dot the "i" s. We honor our ancestors, and we must convey our position to the world at the highest level. The MOSSAD and the KGB physically eliminated Nazi collaborators. It is time for modern Russia to show that it sees everything and does not forget anything.

    I sincerely hope that it will be so.