On the Estonian automotive portal sell tank T-34

On the Estonian portal Auto24, with the help of which cars and spare parts for them are sold, an announcement appeared in which it is proposed to purchase the T-34 tank. The announcement says that the tank is currently on the territory of the Russian Federation, but if the buyer is willing to pay 49 thousand euros, the tank may be in Estonia.

The site reported that the tank is in excellent condition, while it is fully combat-ready. The seller, who called himself Roman, states that such a proposal should interest private collectors of military equipment. At the same time, Roman points out that the “discounted price” for the T-34 tank is 47 thousand euros.

On the page that offers to purchase the T-34 tank, the implementer uploads a series of photographs of this military equipment. The photographs clearly show the image of an eagle on the tower tank, which may indicate the initial belonging of the machine to the Polish armored forces of the socialist era. In the background, the photo shows not only the mountainous terrain, but also the fact that the T-34 may not be the last offer of its kind.

Comments

[Sterlya]

The photo is not Russia. They didn’t even learn to lie

[Old Cynic]

Did you define it in Google Maps?

[Kars]

Someone bought the same problems for me in Poland, brought them to Russia and now wants to sell more. At the same time, the pictures must be demanded (well, if you are planning to buy) with today's newspaper in the frame.

[TRex]

What is Poland, young people? T-34/85, tail number 102, call sign "Rudy" ("Red", it means).
Cinema " Four troopers and a dog" none of those present remember?
Ah, youth, youth ... And how it can be sold is a question for the prosecutor's office and the police.

[Crimea-nyash]

but for sure.

[yushch]

So in the first photo and the inscription is visible in Polish-Rudy, look carefully.

[Moore]

The inscription yes, is visible. The font size of the number and the location of the inscription does not match.
Perhaps someone was copleyling in full growth, perhaps it was caused by a not quite competent owner for advertising purposes.

[Saburo]

"Four troopers and a dog"

Now in Poland this film is considered ideological incorrect. That's why they are selling. Yes, and the T-34 on the go in the world is enough, maybe some collector will buy it.

[Vanya]

stop ringing, quite often it is shown on Polish channels

[wow]

The first time I watched "Four Tankmen and a Dog" in 66 or 67, I was still in a kindergarten in Moscow. Exactly. b / n 102, nickname "Rudy", so nicknamed the girl Yanyk Kos, the gunner-radio operator.

[lelikas]

Quote: TRex

" Four troopers and a dog"

There were several of them on the set, but the tank was definitely not ours - we didn’t set up a tail cable winder on the port side.
And what is the problem at all - we also have tanks sold without problems.

[Viktor Kudinov]

"Four Tankmen and a Dog" is a film of my childhood. About two months ago I knocked out my boys - they found a film on the Internet and watched all the episodes with the family. We watched it with pleasure, but with a pretense that the film was black and white. I think that such films should be used to educate the friendship of peoples and the attitude towards fascism. Good luck!

[mamont5]

Quote: TRex

What is Poland, young people? T-34/85, tail number 102, call sign "Rudy" ("Red", it means).
Cinema " Four troopers and a dog" none of those present remember?
Ah, youth, youth ... And how it can be sold is a question for the prosecutor's office and the police.

So a tank from a movie studio, is it? With a story.

[svp67]

Quote: Kars

Someone bought the same problems for me in Poland, brought them to Russia

With all due respect, but we still have this "GOOD with fists", in the sense of T34, and there is enough opportunity to buy, but there is no need to spend on customs ... And the point is to import into Russia, pay all taxes, then export again - the price will be higher than that of competitors. Most likely, someone from Kaliningraders has a "khatynka" in Estonia, and there "everything is good ..."

[Kars]

Quote: svp67

With all due respect, but we still have this "GOOD with fists", in the sense of T34, and there is an opportunity to buy

Well, maybe it’s enough, but what about the condition? I don’t know how in the Russian Federation, but it’s easier for us to get from Poland with their documents than for our goons to go through the entire licensing system, and as a result, you can still stay without a trunk.

[zGomeRz]

Near Novosibirsk there is the village of Koziulki, and there, on the storage base, several thousand T-34-85, IS-2, IS-3, etc. are in good condition with an annual mileage. He himself served in the Altai at the same base, and my classmates from the university there.

[jktu66]

Most likely, someone from Kaliningraders has a "khatynka" in Estonia, and there "everything is good ..."

It is more convenient for a Kaliningrader to buy a hut in Labyusandia, if the Curonian Spit or its resort towns are not satisfied. Look for St. Petersburg roots in Estonia

[Revolver]

Quote: Kars

At the same time, you need to demand pictures (well, if you are planning to buy) with today's newspaper in the frame.

Photos will not help. A photoshop is capable of such miracles that at first glance you can’t tell the truth from a true photo, but most likely the second and third too.

[GRAMARI111]

why Estonia? probably because the seller lives nearby with the tank

[STALGRAD76]

Not a bit not beautiful Native run

[Koloradovatnik]

And in vain they are selling a tank! There were 2 tanks for three of the Balts - everything would be fair, each one a tank! And in combination with a pair of cardboard F-15s, and even as many as 600 NATO paratroopers - a truly formidable force! Will make the Russian bear shudder at the word "Baltic"!

[jjj]

This is not by chance from the movie "Four Tankmen and a Dog"

[enot73]

The photographs clearly show the image of an eagle on the tank tower, which may indicate the initial belonging of the machine to the Polish armored forces of the socialist era.

Quote: jjj

This is not by chance from the movie "Four Tankmen and a Dog"

Indeed, the Ural "thirty-four", military issue, marked based on the movie "4 tankers and a dog", the inscription "red" on the other side of the car . Similar cars were in war and among the Poles.

[svp67]

Quote: enot73

military release

No, it hurts neatly and cleanly cast and welded, the tank is clearly already post-war.

[enot73]

Quote: svp67

No, it hurts neatly and cleanly cast and welded, the tank is clearly already post-war.

It meant that this T - 34 was without post-war upgrades and changes, for example, the road wheels of the tank in the photo were replaced. By the way, a military-grade tank does not have to howl "tattered".

[zadorin1974]

Yes, everything is simple - there is another military equipment on the photo that cannot be located in the Russian military units (well, they are not in the arsenal of the RF Armed Forces) .Also - who will take the responsibility of dragging the left tank into the unit? who would not hide the location, consider advertising to the enterprise

[Homo]

Quote: Old Cynic

Did you define it in Google Maps?

The power line design is not Russian.

[Dies Irae]

- Power lines are built on a vertical scheme, while Russian (Soviet) power lines are built on a horizontal one - it is technically more competent and safe in an accident.

[tasey]

If the wires SIP-2, SIP-3 (self-supporting insulated), then it does not matter how they are located. And the fact that the construction of the supports is not ours is for sure. For your information, very often double-circuit transmission lines - 110 kV are built exactly "in a vertical" scheme. Only the supports are concrete, 26 meters high. He worked as a foreman for 12 years on overhead lines 10 -35 - 110 - 220 kV.

[Old Cynic]

I repeat once again. Fagots who put a minus - answer for your words! Explain yourself if you consider yourself to be men. Justify, rubber products number two, your worldview, your position! Or secretly hide - your (lowercase!) Credo?

[ksv1973]

Quote: Old Cynic

I repeat once again. Fagots who put a minus - answer for your words! Explain yourself if you consider yourself to be men. Justify, rubber products number two, your worldview, your position! Or secretly hide - your (lowercase!) Credo?

Oops !!! Lessons on the site !!! With such a pace and such statements, Voennoye Obozreniye will soon turn into Parashnoye Obosrenie.
PS I responded to the unacceptable expressions of the OLD CINICIAN. The only thing that can excuse him is that he drank hard before writing the above verbal garbage.

[Mol]

ksv1973

"... the ONLY thing that can excuse him is that he drank hard before writing the above-quoted verbal junk."
There is a good expression - you can't drink - DO NOT DRINK! So - "I was not sober" - does not pull for an excuse!

[almost demobil]

Admins, please remove this Old ... from the field, or a drunk, or himself like that.

[rpek32]

Quote: Old Cynic

Did you define it in Google Maps?

they do not use such a construction in rf, besides it is 34-85

[DMB3000]

Some non-Nashi power lines, I have never seen such

[DMB3000]

Quote: DMB3000

Some non-Nashi power lines, I have never seen such

in time I noticed before. plus me)))

[Sterlya]

Quote: DMB3000

Quote: DMB3000

Some non-Nashi power lines, I have never seen such

in time I noticed before. plus me)))

And here is WigWam. I noticed on the spot, and therefore wrote that the photo is not Russia.
And for all other details, a Russian will immediately determine that it is not Russia

[Finches]

This is the natural development of criminal capitalism ... Purchase and sale, everything: History of the state, national treasure, national achievements and pride of the country, the sale of human feat .... this is the system that has been implanted in Russia since 1990! Capitalist "democracy" is called!
I will put "democracy" in quotation marks, since there is nothing to do with a human, just worldview, this formation has nothing to do with it!

[zanoza]

Quote: Sterlya

The photo is not Russia. They didn’t even learn to lie

"Telegraph" poles give out (there are no such power lines in Russia), not our standard ...

[tasey]

I confirm. See comment above

[Giant thought]

They trade the Homeland both wholesale and retail, cynics are bad.

[Verden]

Comrades, let's take off and buy. VO will have its own tank.

[Basarev]

I'm ready. How much is left to the desired amount?
And further. Is the T-28 sold there?

[BARKAS]

It will be good if someone from the Russians buys!

[svp67]

On the Estonian automotive portal sell tank T-34

it is necessary to add to the ad: "for trips across Europe, to Berlin, every year on May 9 at every petrol station of the solarium free of charge .."

[Old Cynic]

Don't ... "For a land cruise in Europe" ...

[23 region]

Quote: svp67

On the Estonian automotive portal sell tank T-34

it is necessary to add to the ad: "for trips across Europe, to Berlin, every year on May 9 at every petrol station of the solarium free of charge .."

The Germans themselves didn’t mind that they would visit them.

[jekasimf]

Well, it’s better than sending it for re-melting. Anyone who pays such an amount will not destroy it. Most likely some kind of museum.

[Internet fighter]

My neighbors from the wreckage of this T-34-57 gathered:

[predator.3]

An interesting instance, the 57-mm version of this turns out to be a version of the Grabinsky gun ZIS-2 ?!

[Internet fighter]

57-mm it turns out a variant of the Grabinsky gun ZIS-2 ?!

I don’t know, I won’t lie ... I don’t understand the trunks.
The tank itself was seen firsthand more than once ... and we have several groups of such enthusiasts. Some amphibians also restore retro cars, 2nd tanks are assembled from extracted components, and 3rd reconstituted BRDMs are reassembled. And all this within the framework of a single village near Moscow.
I mean, the news is about nothing)

[Sergey Vl.]

In fact, we must say Nizhny Pyshmа (accent on "a"). This is too small a settlement for the BTT Museum. Maybe Nizhny Tagil is correct?

[vzvodnik]

No, UPPER Pyshma,

Quote: Sergey Vl.

(accent on "a").

[Zoldat_A]

Kiev will lay out. It is cheaper than the American "Abrams" (which, by the way, do not hurt and give).

[DRA-88]

The emblem is Polish!
But the tank is in perfect condition!
Russia’s Defense Ministry needs to redeem this historical example of Soviet tank building, wherever it is!

[samoletil18]

Quote: DRA-88

But the tank is in perfect condition!
Russia’s Defense Ministry needs to redeem this historical example of Soviet tank building, wherever it is!

Poles released them after the war. Consolation is weak, but maybe not ours, but Polish post-war? If a participant in the Great Patriotic War, even if the Polish army, then this is disgusting, like traders in the temple.

[BMVIK]

Absolutely, this is a Polish post-war modification produced under license and there is nothing historical other than participation in the film. And it's not a fact that this is exactly that - the inscription and emblems with the number can be applied to raise the status of the car

[APASUS]

Quote: BMVIK

Absolutely, this is a Polish post-war modification produced under license and there is nothing historical other than participation in the film. And it's not a fact that this is exactly that - the inscription and emblems with the number can be applied to raise the status of the car

On this tank, number 572 is not visible, it is possibly specially photographed so

[BMVIK]

The tank in the photo and the tank actor are different cars and fonts are different and the places of application are not the same and the dimensions of the emblems, you can review the film and find a lot of differences. Let the Poles sell their tank to anyone they want, this is not our car

[FC SKIF]

My grandfather on 34 reached Berlin. He would not be delighted with such attention to his beloved tank.

[Leshka]

they were probably interested in the Estonian Ministry of Defense

[Mayer1980]

in the photo from the place of the driver’s arm, a German half-track armored personnel carrier is visible. I think this is not Russia.

[Mol]

Plus you for the "big eyes!"

[svp67]

Quote: Mayer1980

in the photo from the place of the driver’s arm, a German half-track armored personnel carrier is visible. I think this is not Russia.

But in general terms the T72, with a tarp closed and a turret turned up ... I don’t think that in Russia there is now a T72 privately owned, but in the countries of the former socialist camp, quite.

[killganoff]

Judging by the power transmission poles that fell into the frame, this is definitely not Russia, most likely the state of the former socialist camp, possibly Poland.

[Cossack Lee Hoy]

Let's send the Trojan horse and enslave sprats

[Mol]

The tank is handsome! Oh, I would ride with a breeze! Gallop across Europe, so to speak! It remains only to find 47 thousand euros.

[vsoltan]

The tank is excellent, alas, it’s out of date ... let it dill and buy ... they all have one thing, few cars left .... go a bit - then to our museum

[Landwarrior]

You shouldn’t be so. Read about the T-34 in Serbia.

[vsoltan]

I know that I fought successfully in Yugoslavia ... honor and praise to our deeds!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Angry Russia ... bastards! Well, well .. (fake ..) Sprats in your mouth Ecarnaya babai!

[Landwarrior]

Oh, there would be money ....

[pilot8878]

Well, stop arguing about the nat. eagle accessories. What the hell is Poland? On the left side there is an inscription RUDY. Nobody remembers anything? "Four troopers and a dog"? They sell props from some film studio.

[sub307]

In fact - a tank and a tank, props in general. Most likely, some collector will buy from the country where the law allows you to do this. Okay. Why "raise the dust" around this particular tank. And the message that the tank is currently in Russia, in my opinion - "deaea". Is it meaningful for Russia to take it (for "patriotic reasons")? There is no lack of monuments in the "face of the tank".

[raid14]

A tank from Poland, took part in the filming of the film "Four Tankmen and a Dog" in 1966, stood on the Warsaw-Gdansk highway.

[Revolver]

The machine is historical, it will be a pity if they let it go into remelting.

[Drunya]

military what is it - ?????????
phosphorus or gas ????? I'm in oh yeah

[killganoff]

Smoke is probably getting darker - it is getting colder, winter is coming.

[Drunya]

at 2.21 minutes you can see what smoke it is, there is shelling !!!!!!

[Massik]

It’s definitely not phosphorus, the smoke is most likely, but maybe the overpass was broken somewhere at the chemical plant, and that’s some kind of rubbish in the wind. TDA-M or 2K can give an even worse curtain.

[cosmos132]

This is shelling with gas shells of Donetsk airport from the side of Sands

[Massik]

An interesting shelling, judging by the sound, everything flies at the same time, maybe all the same rockets?)

[Yun Klob]

The Poles sell, they point a finger at Russia.

[pvv113]

In the movie "Four Tankmen and a Dog" there was also a tank with hull number 102

[Denis fj]

we also have a t-34-85 tank with the side number at the museums breaking through the blockade LENINGRADA. FOTKAL PERSONALY. Here you can see the rest of the tanks
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/ob-denis2012/album/250804/?&p=1

[killganoff]

This is one of the most recognizable and popular tanks, the "Red" was sold even in prefabricated models, and often other 34s were decorated under the "Polish movie star". It doesn't have to be the original.

[viruvalge412ee]

it's time to move on to real action. For these European beauties, more than this is not necessary!

[Reserve officer]

Quote: TRex

What is Poland, young people? T-34/85, tail number 102, call sign "Rudy" ("Red", it means).
Cinema " Four troopers and a dog" none of those present remember?
Ah, youth, youth ... And how it can be sold is a question for the police prosecutor's office.

Nikolay, oh bravo! A sober mind and a clear memory! Accept my respect.

[Yury rus]

Those who watched the film "Four Tankmen and a Dog" will remember that the film was shot in Poland and the tank was from # 102. Maybe he is?

[Ze Kot]

Quote: TRex

What is Poland, young people? T-34/85, tail number 102, call sign "Rudy" ("Red", it means).
Cinema " Four troopers and a dog" none of those present remember?
Ah, youth, youth ... And how it can be sold is a question for the prosecutor's office and the police.

So I thought about "Red" ...

[flSergius]

What is avto24?!? But the world of tanks forum post an ad - tear off with their hands /

[maksim]

borrow somebody 47000 euros, I’ll give it back home

[Riperbahn]

T-34-85 fought in Yugoslavia from both the Serbian and Croatian sides. They put the M-2 American machine gun as an anti-aircraft gun. And the SU-100 were there.

[rus-5819]

Quote: TRex

None of those present remember the movie "Four Tankmen and a Dog"?

Most likely this is one of the tanks that were filmed in the episodes. On the gun, the brand looks like 309, and the emblem and tail number are clearly applied recently. So it is rather Poland, and they decided to "hook" Russia out of habit.

[cat hippopotamus]

Yes, it looks like this is the tank of my childhood movie. I already found some kind of nostalgia, we all threw street affairs and ran to the screens of b / w televisions.

[sv68]

everything that is being sold is sold — honor, conscience, history — is not at all surprised. It’s a pity only if you buy some hoopoe and emulate it with Nazi symbols and slogans

[Evilcat]

Quote: TRex

What is Poland, young people? T-34/85, tail number 102, call sign "Rudy" ("Red", it means).
Cinema " Four troopers and a dog" none of those present remember?
Ah, youth, youth ... And how it can be sold is a question for the prosecutor's office and the police.

Come on you. The film is Polish. Czterej pancerni i pies, if you will. By the way, the Poles themselves called the film a little differently - Three Poles, Georgians and a dog.

[TRex]

Naturally - Polish. I wanted to say that it was possible to grind a car even in Poland, even in the Baltic states, even in Russia ... Not the fact that the picture was taken in Estonia.
Well, for completeness of information on "Redhead" - there is such a book: "Studzianki", author - Janusz Pshimanovsky (if I'm not mistaken). The book was written on the basis of combat reports during active battles of the Polish tank brigade in 1944-45. It mentions the commanders of crews, subunits, etc., including indicating the side numbers of vehicles ... There are numbers 100, 101,103, etc. up to the 130s or 150s, but No. 102 does not appear anywhere. I could not trace where this car was during the war. Maybe they broke, burned, drowned at the very beginning? And then, in order not to offend any of the veterans, assigned this number to fictional characters?
By the way, do you know how it sounds in Polish? WHEAT PANTS

[alex86]

Kazan City Hall is looking for a T-34 for Victory Park. I wrote to them, but the answer within 30 days, they may not have time to buy. But it’s interesting: 49000 euros is 2 rubles, for our people it’s not solid, I think they will buy lemons for ten (no less).

[alex86]

I’m curious, they put a minus - is that what I didn’t like? What the city hall is looking for - so a tank is needed in Victory Park - is here without question. Well, they can’t find it yet - well, it happens, it’s not so simple, I guess. What they will buy not for 2,5 million, but for 10 - well, so in our country this is a common practice and claims are not for me. Answer, mysterious stranger, what did you not like ?!

[Barakuda]

Under this film, I learned to crawl in the Plastunsky style, grandfather of the PPSh from a tree realized, with a shutter and a rattle. They were waiting for each series .. And then Dad included me in the course of affairs. 6 graders in the trench, and the T-64 passes, then another grenade to the engine. It was terrible. After that, the fear disappeared.

[pest]

Duma, that in Estonia they will not buy, there will not be enough brains. Not for nothing is a joke:
- Two hot fast guys knock on the brothel door. Bendersha opens, they still ask - what can we do with a vass for 20 euros?
- only fuck in those bushes of each other. Closes the door.
After half an hour, there was a knock on the door again. Bendersha opens and sees the same hot fast guys.
- What do you want again?
- Missions we want to know to whom to give money ...

[aliatum]

)))))))))))) Three Poles, Georgians and a dog - the story of my childhood film about our T-34. Must buy. Story. Yes, and 34 will return home from captivity. And how many more are there in Europe-Asia?

[viruvalge412ee]

Estas are young. They are, well, how are they! This is normal. They know. They have a saying: "Situ ruttu, caru tuleb!" It means: "Hurry up, the bear is coming!"

[Megatron]

There are whole sites where they sell rare military equipment.

http://autobuy.ru/page/prodazha-teh

[cosmos132]

For the kit I can offer armor-piercing with T34-85

[Bosk]

Well, they’re selling ... so what’s wrong here ?, in Latvia, a couple of years ago, I also saw through the advertisement how they sold the T-55 if I’m not mistaken for 50000 Latvian moose (somewhere 90000 tanks), by the way, also in combat-ready condition, but this combat capability meant the availability of those passports, by the way, according to those passports, this combat unit passed like a tractor ...

[Reserve buildbat]

The inscription "RUDY" is clearly visible on the tank. This is another "copy" of the tank from the movie "Four Tankmen and a Dog". Only handprints and paws are missing. So this is not an indicator. And in St. Petersburg, T-34-85 are also quietly sold. And not only they

[pensioner]

Vania!
If still alive - let me know! I’m sitting alone sad, but I have a drink. I don’t drink one !!!! let `s together. Well, at least sympathize ...

[studentmati]

Quote: retired

Vania! fellow
If still alive - let me know! I’m sitting alone sad, but I have a drink. I don’t drink one !!!! let `s together. Well, at least sympathize ...

Hi, Jura!
And if you look under Russian law, then there are no restrictions on the movement of tanks on public roads? Is that a ban on exploitation with the removal of registration marks? Who will take them off, which are not?

[pensioner]

Sasha !!! Dear!! Well, finally, there were worthy people! well ... for you! Cranberry, 42 (??) degrees ...

[studentmati]

Quote: retired

Sasha !!! Dear!! Well, finally, there were worthy people! well ... for you! Cranberry, 42 (??) degrees ...

For us, Yura! Ararat is 6 years old! And the T-34 is invincible!

[pensioner]

Quote: studentmati

Who will take them off, which are not?

I tell you. Kursk 2007 Aug. Sept. Heat in 40. Our UAZ periodically boils ... Nevertheless, we work ... We dig out the pipe. She is in a field planted with buckwheat felts, felts are still not a nerd. We look - where to get up. And we see that in km 5-6 from us (and there is a landscape-billiard table) there is a forest plantation! Well, at least night, morning, evening will be cool. Rushed there. UAZ was with us, which was delivered by a havchik and it was time for him to move to Shchegry for a havchik. H3 and went. Only he didn’t know that the driver of the Mercedes-trawl found a bunch of gos in the cuvette. numbers lying randomly ... Apparently in this forest planting the crime occurred with a car ... The minesweeper picked up and picked up the number from there and screwed it in front onto the UAZ. He did not know that the UAZ would go back. Well UAZ with this criminal number and left. Until the first post of the traffic police. He certainly came back. At night. And his carrier chased a minesweeper for a very long time. Only good physical fitness slept, ran away quickly ...

[studentmati]

Quote: retired

. And his carrier chased a minesweeper for a very long time. He was saved only by a good physical form - he ran away quickly ...

For a good reaction and athletic form, Yura!

[pensioner]

Dasvay. Today, the treadmill was repaired by joint efforts ... So I’m sitting, I’m finishing my fee ... But tomorrow !!! How to stand on it and HOW I go !!! Hold on, belly! Come on!

[pvv113]

an announcement appeared in which it was proposed to purchase a T-34 tank.

I came across an advertisement for the sale of the Tu-95 strategic bomber

[Max40]

One Belarusian site generally sells military equipment. And the state is selling

[shitovmg]

In Pyshma, in a museum, in the Urals

[pensioner]

Quote: shitovmg

In Pyshma, in a museum, in the Urals

My dear Mikhail !! We regularly visit this museum. Our forum member Stroybat Reserve once even posted a photo report of our visit to this museum on the website. The museum is amazing! So what my wife is a humanist-historian-archivist and then: she gave it credit. Well ... For Kozitsyn. A rare oligarch. His workers and specialists do not complain about their fate. And for the museum and for the fact that they put equipment on the "move", so generally ... No words! MS-1 ON THE GO !!!!! Stunned !!

[samoletil18]

Quote: retired

! MS-1 ON THE GO !!!!! Stunned !!

When I was living there, the T-60 saw against the background of the HF ... That's mobilization equipment! They then stood on the first platform near the road and were not far from each other.
Kozitsin, of course, well done. But the UMMC registered in Luxembourg.

[pensioner]

Quote: samoletil18

Here is a mobilization technique!

You are certainly right. T-70 is a vivid example of a mobilization version of armored vehicles. But. Who knew on the eve of 2 MV that the age of light tanks would be so short? And the T-70 is the most defective tank in this regard. Examples of competent and not only the use of T-70 tanks are mass. Unfortunately in the main - not literate ... rabid locust - like the Germans called him ...

[studentmati]

Quote: retired

You are certainly right. T-70 is a vivid example of a mobilization version of armored vehicles. But. Who knew on the eve of 2 MV that the age of light tanks would be so short?

But this is the question of the first blow? What was the USSR preparing for?

[pensioner]

Quote: studentmati

But this is the question of the first blow? What was the USSR preparing for?

To stand. And what was Poland preparing for? Or France? See the BV composition of these countries. Poland did not have the so-called heavy (well, those that later became medium ...) tanks. Germany? We carefully look at the composition of the Panzervaffen BV and see that their base even in 41 is T-2, T-3, which in 41 can’t be attributed to medium tanks. Then, after half a year or a year, the T-3 will acquire armor and acquire a long-barrel 50mm. a cannon with cumulative b / p ... In the meantime, it is heavier than the BT-7, only 3 tons ...

[studentmati]

Quote: retired

To stand. And what was Poland preparing for? Or France?

It turns out there was a backstage confrontation: "who did not have time to be late?"

[pensioner]

Quote: studentmati

It turns out there was a backstage confrontation: "who did not have time to be late?"

No one canceled the backstage, but the Germans understood: WHAT and in WHAT quantity should there be tanks in the so-called. tank groups. A. Isaev calls it the "golden section". Plus the tactics of using tank formations, which in every possible way avoided oncoming tank battles, providing the heroics of the destruction of enemy armored vehicles of artillery, with its numerous 37-mm. cannons (98 units per division), not counting anti-tank divisions with 50-mm. cannons and 105 mm. howitzers guns. 150mm. howitzers. 210 and howitzer-guns, 88 mm. anti-aircraft guns (very numerous in any division) + 22, 37, 47 (... here I can lie ...) anti-aircraft guns that easily fought with our tanks ... Conclusion: in 1941. our such on the battlefield, other things being equal, had no chance against the Wehrmacht. Plus air superiority. But our tanks did not die ingloriously, as some would like to imagine. They stood as an armored shield of our infantry in the path of the German armies. and by their death they won the most important thing during that period - TIME !! Then the Wehrmacht began to miss him categorically ...

[samoletil18]

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But our tanks did not die ingloriously, as some would like to imagine.

There was both. The Germans, due to local superiority in border battles, hammered out, due to the surprise they got the opportunity to choose the place and direction of the strike, and ours could only react to the situation with all the consequences. According to various sources, I met that the preemption of the Germans in deploying against the USSR was 24 days (in someone's memoirs, certainly not Halder, the Germans boasted that it was 28-30 days). And about TB-3 from the movie "The Living and the Dead" is not an idle fiction, there were such cases when everything that was possible was thrown without observing tactics.
The soldiers of the 41st, who fought off in the boilers until the last bullet, went to the breakthrough with minimal chances, entered the battle from the wheels without preparing a low bow. And those who were 41-42 on the T-60, T-70 fought a special thank you so much for not whining, but for beating the Germans.
With proper use of the T-60, the Germans inflicted significant blows.

[pensioner]

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Sasha !!! Dear!! Well, finally, there were worthy people! well ... for you! Cranberry, 42 (??) degrees ...

For us, Yura! Ararat is 6 years old! And the T-34 is invincible!

http://voenhronika.ru/publ/vtoraja_mirovaja_vojna_sssr_khronika/podjom_tankov_ro
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Take a look Sasha. Stunned.

[studentmati]

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Sasha !!! Dear!! Well, finally, there were worthy people! well ... for you! Cranberry, 42 (??) degrees ...

For us, Yura! Ararat is 6 years old! And the T-34 is invincible!

http://voenhronika.ru/publ/vtoraja_mirovaja_vojna_sssr_khronika/podjom_tankov_ro



ssija_podborka_iz_18_ehpizodov_2000_2012_god/22-1-0-2916
Take a look Sasha. Stunned.

Returning to the branch, Yura. You won’t see all the links at once. Thanks for the link, Jura! I read and look with pride that the last of the marshals of the armored forces was a native of my city. And the T-34 tank on a pedestal in 1983 drove under its own power with his participation! Then it was perceived as ordinary, Victory Parades were held very solemnly, colorfully and certainly festively!

[pensioner]

Quote: studentmati

Returning to the branch, Yura.

The return of the prodigal son. you at least + or - identify yourself. that he returned, but the rating does not change and hell knows: who returned or not.

Quote: studentmati

the last of the marshals of the armored forces was a native of my city.

From this place in more detail!

[studentmati]

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The return of the prodigal son. you at least + or - identify yourself. that he returned, but the rating does not change and hell knows: who returned or not.

+ + + +

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From this place in more detail!

Marshal Losik Oleg Alexandrovich!

Closer than on the Internet the details are not yet time ...

[pensioner]

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Marshal Losik Oleg Alexandrovich!

I know that. And he if my memory serves me right. then he went from kkapitan-beg. intelligence regiment dr. headquarters of the tank army. The real marshall.

[studentmati]

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The real marshal.

Other comments are superfluous.

[pensioner]

The thing is. that I have stupid enough. but a rich infoy book "History of the creation of the USSR tank power" or something like that. In 3 volumes. there is about Moosie. I remember. I also remember about Popel, Armand, Ionne Degen and others ...

[studentmati]

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The thing is. that I have stupid enough. but a rich infoy book "History of the creation of the USSR tank power" or something like that. In 3 volumes. there is about Moosie. I remember. I also remember about Popel, Armand, Ionne Degen and others ...

And I managed to get only two volumes! ... I’m looking for the third!

[pensioner]

Selling at a reasonable price. Let's agree ... Your price?
And anyway ... why are we sitting? will we still be silent?
Well ... For the tank!

[studentmati]

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Well ... For the tank! drinks

For the tankmen! Something Alexei TV is not visible?

[pensioner]

Yes it appears. only rarely. Major 71 is also a tankman. well, a poet who. he owes me grass 2 carts. SILENT ...

[pensioner]

And anyway ... Put on your headphones and dial: "Kingdom of the Curves" Shklyarsky. I sit listening and almost cry ... All the songs of the Picnic are about me ... and about the Kingdom and about the bark I scribbled and about Karelia and about the violet-black ... I sit and cry !!
Listen. Maybe break through ...

[Tyumen]

You guys would chat in PM, otherwise you would fill up the whole branch with your drunken comments.

[kotev19]

How to understand - 1 euro per kilogram of metal? Is this Polish waste?

[pensioner]

Nikolai Kotev!

Let's pour! what to think at night, all the same you will not invent anything! For Bulgaria! Not a stranger once was a country to me. Your metallurgical scientists came to us in Sverdlovsk in 1987. (then still ...). I told them and showed the device of our installation for measuring the density of melts with the gamma method in the absolute version. There were funny guys!

[ASDik37]

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MS-1 ON THE GO !!!!! Stunned !!

I have not seen a single CORRECTLY refurbished MS-1 - everyone except small jambs has one big JAM - RUNNING

[pensioner]

Quote: ASDik37

I have not seen a single CORRECTLY refurbished MS-1

Well, let’s not pick on trifles! those in pyshma go collected by more than 90% of the original parts. Besides. all MS-1 fought from Pyshma !! It is easy to see if you carefully crouch to them. On the armor, hits of rifle bullets are visible and there is even a break through the collar of the upper hatch. One of them has penetration of an armored box next to the drive wheel. Shatter type penetration.

[skylare]

Just a little clarification: if I'm not mistaken, then according to the book "Red" was "Thirty-four" 76, and "Eighty-five" was filmed in the film.

[Tra-ta-ta]

Here she is - a corrupt Geyropa ..! 49 thousand for the call of one Russian tank ..! There is only enough current left for border guards to throw a thousand, and our tanks will legally enter Tallinn!

[viktorrymar]

On the Victory Day, the legendary Polish film “Four Tankers and a Dog” celebrated 47 years
The T-34 / 85 tank, used during the filming, stands in the Poznan Museum of Tank Weapons. Once he served in the army, later he was a model for training, and today - like many other old cars - waiting for visitors.
(10) 05 2013
9 on May 2013 on the Polish television the first episode of the film “Four Tankmen and a Dog” was shown — one of the most popular and most cult Polish films. The plot was based on the story of Janusz Psimianowski 1964 of the year with the same name. In total, in 1966-1970. three seasons of the series were released, according to Gazeta.pl.

One of the main characters of the series, in addition to people and animals, is "Rudy 102". This is the Soviet T-34 tank, or rather, two tanks equipped with 76 mm guns (first and second series) and 85 mm (third series), respectively. In reality, however, in the series from the first season, tanks equipped with larger guns were shot. “Rudy” bears its proud name from the fifth part of the first series. It was given to him in honor of the red-haired Maroussi, nicknamed Ogonyok (Paul Raks), the Soviet nurse and bride Janek (Janusz Gayos).

During the shooting, the Rudy tank played four tanks. Two were from the city of Zagan, one from Wroclaw, and one from Poznan. The first two after the filming ended up at the landfill and finally went to scrap. Wroclaw can still be seen in the Museum of Motorization and Technology in the Warsaw suburb of Otrembusy. The Poznan tank, which was used to shoot scenes inside the car (in the second and third series, the layout was used in the first), can still be seen at the CWSL Tank Museum in Poznan.

Not without reason for the filming of scenes inside was chosen precisely the Poznan T-34 / 85. In those years when the series was shot, the cameras were so large that it would be difficult to install them inside a conventional machine, not to mention maneuvering them inside. However, there were no such problems with the Rudy tank from Poznan - fragments were cut out in several places. There are holes in the front and side of the apex. Thanks to this, operators could easily shoot scenes inside.

The T-34 / 85 from the Poznan Museum is the original tank of World War II and part of (not only television) history. He found himself in the capital of Greater Poland Voivodeship, because during the battles for Poznan in the 1945 year he was damaged and could not take part in a further campaign. It was decided that there was no point in repairing it, so holes were cut out in it and after the war it was used as a training model. To this day, the machine is equipped on the mechanical side, although its combat value is rather zero.

The Rudy tank can be seen at the CWSL Tank Museum in Poznan. Currently, he stands among dozens of other exhibits, next to a German rival from World War II. Since the museum is located on the territory of the military unit, in order to visit it, you need to agree in advance. However, on 1 on June 2013, it is planned to make an open day, during which everyone can see historical examples of armored vehicles.
http://www.newsbalt.ru/detail/?ID=10909

[Gray 43]

We have to wait, maybe Estonia itself will be bought on sale, by stock

[vaaaaadik]

We must buy, draw red stars and drive along the roads of Estonia, so as not to relax)

[studentmati]

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"Kingdom of the Curves" Shklyarsky. I sit listening and almost cry ..

I respect Shklyarsky’s work from the very beginning! For the depth of thought, in contrast to the markers of society! For pretentious apoliticality (Time Machine), for understanding and simplicity (Kalinov bridge) (although is it much easier?), For moderate philosophy (BG). for, for, for ...

[pensioner]

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I respect Shklyarsky’s work from the very beginning!

[pensioner]

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Kalinov bridge)

Thanks for D. Revyakin! I see you and I are from the same faculty.

[studentmati]

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Thanks for D. Revyakin! I see you and I are from the same faculty. yes

There is only one faculty - the USSR! It's all here! And birth and a happy childhood, and a stormy youth and awareness of the world. And Revyakin is here too, with his unobtrusiveness.
For understanding the world, Jura!

[pensioner]

Quote: studentmati

And Revyakin is here too, with his unobtrusiveness.

By the way: D. Revyakin -PHYSICIAN !!!

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For understanding the world, Jura!

Yes, Sasha. For you.

[studentmati]

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Yes, Sasha. For you.

In my understanding, Fyodor Chistyakov from "Zero" also had good topics. What do you think, Yur?

[pensioner]

I agree. He called himself Jimmy Hendrix Russian button accordion.
But. The undisguised propaganda of drugs (the doctor is traveling ... he is carrying magic powder to people ...) I was very alarmed even then. Then, after a little acquaintance with the world of show business (for example, on a tangent, but enough ...), I found out that they ALL were drug addicts: BG and Makar and everything, everything, everything ...

[studentmati]

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He called himself Jimmy Hendrix of the Russian slaughter.

Accordion !!! I think there is a difference? Fyodor’s performance was super !!!


For that period in

[img] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPWsLofxQ5c&feature=player_embedded [/ img]

The drugs BG and Makar were already in the past.

[pensioner]

I’m listening to a picnic ... Well, all of them ... They don’t even stand the tip of Edmud Shklyarsky’s nail. By the way! Shklyarsky is also a physicist !!!

[studentmati]

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I’m listening to a picnic ... Well, all of them ... They don’t even stand the tip of Edmud Shklyarsky’s nail. By the way! Shklyarsky is also a physicist !!!

For PHYSICIANS Jura !!! For physics, as a science! Picnic on the air!

[pensioner]

Quote: studentmati

For physics, as a science!

And for her darling, as a way of life.

I am proud: no matter how hard it was, I didn’t cheat on her ... Well, maybe just a little bit - 2 years ... All the rest of the time I was her servant. I will not say that I was the most talented, rather closer to the dilentates, but very devoted. And sometimes she thanked me with her sacraments, which she revealed to me ... 43 publications (including sectoral science ...) + 10 inventions.
Once again for PHYSICS!

[studentmati]

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And for her darling, as a way of life. yes
drinks

For as if invisible, but really tangible!

[pensioner]

Do not sleep !!!!!!

[studentmati]

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Do not sleep !!!!!! am

That's not my fault. He (the brain) himself fell asleep.

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Nuvso !!! Just try next time to appear !! am Immediately surrender to Vadim !! yes To our ... wink to my beloved ... feel

[pensioner]

Nuvso !!! Just try next time to appear !! Immediately surrender to Vadim !! Our ... Warmly beloved ...

[after]

No matter how strange and wild it may look, a fact is a fact. It turns out that without our knowledge on the vastness of the World Wide Web there is a site http://yourinforr.blogspot.ru and where our personal information is laid out on shelves for each of us, ordinary citizens of Russia. It’s hard to believe, but it’s so, no one is protected.

[Viktor Kudinov]

I would definitely take a tank. Yes, there’s nowhere to put it, my wife is against it, the children will decide to shoot. And, to be honest, I don’t have that kind of money.

[pensioner]

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I don’t have that kind of money.

Dame . Only 142% per annum .. .

[Jurkovs]

Russia urgently needs to buy this tank. Let him be the first to enter liberated Estonia.

[FunkschNNX]

“The tank is currently located on the territory of the Russian Federation, ... the tank may end up in Estonia. This is why they scare the Estonians with Russian tanks; many of them haven’t recovered from the last “occupation.”