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Humanitarian wars. Part of 3. Gubarev

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Truly said, to whom the war - and to whom the mother is native. This is about the Gubarev couple, Pasha and Kate. This couple has really done a lot in the open spaces of our great homeland in terms of supplying the population and the militia of Donbass. But it is precisely the last twist of Pasha that is especially indicative.

But I'll start from the beginning.

It is not a secret for people who know that I haven’t elected anyone to plow the “people's governor”. He himself was crowned. But - no one was particularly against it, because it seems like its own, and so on. And, naturally, our hero got into the dungeons of the SBU. His wife was instantly in Russia, began an active Internet struggle. And then, enlisting the support of certain circles, she began collecting humanitarian aid. And organized both a fundraising and a warehouse in Rostov-on-Don.

Warehouse earned. Indeed, they were brought from all over the country, sincerely and heartily. And, something really got to those who needed it. In the same Slavyansk.

Humanitarian aid went everywhere. And in the case, and without. For me, the story of the Ghosts signalman was indicative of the fact that they sat for a week on the left bank of the Don in Rostov and were brought in bags every day. And drawers.

At the same time, when I tried (without results) to get a report on where our first batch went. They promised ironic that everything will go to Slavyansk. But in the end it turned out that a part of them had been squeezed out by Bolotov, something had fallen to the Brain, and only a small part really ended up in Slavyansk. And that, video was laid out by someone from our readers.

The mess in the warehouses was terrible. Moreover, the warehouse workers did not deny themselves anything. Naturally, from the received cargo. Seen with my own eyes. Moreover, Katya didn’t bother herself with appearances. When I came from there one person, tried to call her on an important issue. I could not. Zavsklad, hiding her eyes, said: “Yes, before Catherine 10 should not call” ... He noticed that it was like 11. And I took up the question of the Dormidontovsky camp, which brought us a lot of hemorrhoids and insults from the authorities.

Then it turned out that the people in Russia began to gradually penetrate the understanding that Gubareva had a mess. But since it seems to be their own, and certain structures supported it, no one began to shout, but alternative warehouses simply began to be organized. Kasada in Rostov, Cossack in Donetsk and others. And, oddly enough, it went.

And the case of the “Novorossiya humanitarian battalion” gradually fell into disrepair. In fact, it went on and on without shaky or knacking, the branches were separated, the leaders changed ... I tried to work with them, but then our friend on the Nina Zima website would better say on this subject. She started with them, only I drove all the loads.

And, apparently, the case really became bad. Yes, plus Pasha was also denied registration at the elections. And Pasha decided to take offense. And he began a campaign against those who collect humanitarian aid for the residents of Donbass all over Russia.

To begin with, he circulated an appeal to all networks, in which he called all those who collected money on behalf of the Novorossia battalion to be fraudsters, and called on the authorities to stop their activities.

Mr. Gubarev doesn’t care about the fact that ordinary people find it easier to put 10, 50, 100 rubles in a box. On which the container and fuel for cars will be bought. Fortunately, there are still enough drivers ready to go for free. Money should go only to the account of Pasha and Kate. In Sevastopol, Voronezh, Lipetsk, Krasnodar. Every penny.

Humanitarian wars. Part of 3. Gubarev


And if someone from the name and on behalf of Novorosii collects the cargo, then he is obliged to either organize a teleport with the help of a magic wand, or carry it for his own. Otherwise - a thief and a crook.

The mayor of the city of Lipetsk on Sunday personally checked how things are with the tents. It’s good that he didn’t get a “tricolor” one, but an alternative one, don’t understand whose. But there will be more noise.

In Voronezh, the tents are not exposed. From sin away.

I am interested in the answer to the question: who benefits from those who collect help for the Donbass, simply dispersed and covered? And why so much negativity comes precisely from the DNI? In Lugansk, the people are more complicated, but with a great understanding of the situation. And does not harm. And here…

All this is strange. Although - naturally. Apparently, the Gubarev couple did not have enough of supplies and transfers. Own warehouses, about which legends are already running, apparently, are few. All is necessary. All the money and all the goods. And the Gubarevs will figure out what and to whom.

And people believe. And they continue to send help. And they believe that it will come. Not everyone has the opportunity to give directly. And, after some time, the already small trickle of spiritual help is clearly running out. It's a pity. For selfless help to one's neighbor is one of the greatest blessings. And a few kilograms of cereal and a couple of cans of stew - for someone just a mental impulse, but for someone - an opportunity to see tomorrow.

But some just do not care.

NewsEarly in the morning: Pavel Gubarev was attacked. According to the information received, he received two bullet wounds and is in serious condition in Rostov-on-Don.

The war continues.
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  1. Drunya
    Drunya 13 October 2014 09: 15
    +11
    sad - and very sad.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 13 October 2014 09: 25
      +29
      The war continues.
      The author Skomorokhov Roman (Banshee) hi indeed a war on all fronts, even humanitarian ... where there is war, there is money, and where there is money there and everything am
      1. nvv
        nvv 13 October 2014 09: 36
        +6
        I do not have a high opinion of Gubarev, but I think the election campaign has begun.
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        The war continues
        1. Borisyth
          Borisyth 13 October 2014 11: 37
          -8
          And who are you of high opinion ???
          1. Kazakh
            Kazakh 13 October 2014 12: 33
            +29
            Quote: Borisyth
            And who are you of high opinion ???

            We usually have here YOUeven if I disagree with the opinion
            1. smart75
              smart75 13 October 2014 13: 25
              +12
              And not only with us, but with all educated people.

              +
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              2. nvv
                nvv 13 October 2014 19: 06
                +3
                Quote: Borisyth
                And who are you of high opinion ???

                Quote: Kazakh
                Quote: Borisyth
                And who are you of high opinion ???

                We usually have here YOUeven if I disagree with the opinion

                Quote: smart75
                And not only with us, but with all educated people.

                +

                No, you’re probably in vain you minusanuli him. I consider all fellow soldiers and with all of you. With your permission, I will correct the minus.
                1. Oleg Sobol
                  Oleg Sobol 13 October 2014 19: 52
                  +8
                  I am looking for comments on Roman's article, the day of "Divanny patriot-denunciators" is right.
                  Before you "tryndet" what is for Roman, you do at least half the little finger of what he did. Collect information from those from whom he takes, and then, perhaps, having understood and seen, and most importantly, having analyzed it as it is, you will be able to lay out your alignment.
                  So let's see it. bully
              3. krpmlws
                krpmlws 13 October 2014 22: 22
                -3
                Strelkov in one of his last appeals said that the enemies of New Russia are preparing compromising evidence against him and his comrades-in-arms. Many in the Kremlin do not like the idea of ​​justice, the nationalization of the stolen property of the oligarchs, the real fight against theft, corruption, capital flight, drug addiction. New Russia, as Strelkov, Gubarev, Mozgova and others like them are not needed. And this article was written by the author as a result of his confusion, inability to set value priorities. R. Skomorokhov, are there people without any flaws? Obviously, we are all not without sin. It is only necessary to reasonably evaluate the measure of sin, and also relate it to the good that is in the person. The essence of the author’s position is that there are minor negative points he magnifies it in absolute terms, completely ignoring significant positive aspects. In this case, the author does not cite any evidence, the article therefore looks like a bucket of dirty slops more appropriate in some publication related to the yellow press. Of course, Skomorokhov provides all possible assistance to the DPR and LPR, but this cannot serve as an excuse for publishing an article provocative in form and content. Voluntarily or unwittingly, but Skomorokhov plays into the hands of the enemies of New Russia.
                1. vadson
                  vadson 14 October 2014 00: 58
                  +2
                  But can you simply compare the facts and carry out the analysis? For example, at the beginning of the summer I read about a mess with humanitarian aid through my wife Gubarev, so I used the services of Roman with great pleasure. and on the account of facts - 1) where I read about the mess now I don’t remember, it was just put in my memory, 2) to study humanitarian affairs and be a minister of the DPR, even if I don’t have a ministry, I need grandfathers GOSUDAREV UM, as you say, look at the photo of Pavel’s wife gubareva from the Internet, it doesn’t smell like that there, an ordinary woman - clothes, resorts, children, family, etc. 3) her resignation from the post of Minister of Foreign Affairs of the DPR polit.ru/news/2014/08/16/gubareva/ - she asked for a loan of 30 billion rubles, she was removed from her post. with humanitarian aid did not cope who will give her the sum?
                  1. krpmlws
                    krpmlws 14 October 2014 07: 52
                    -4
                    Quote: vadson
                    just compare the facts and analyze can you? for example, at the beginning of summer I read about a mess with humanitarian aid through Gubarev’s wife
                    Reread my post more attentively. And why is humanitarian aid here, is there anyone at home? At stake is the fate of New Russia, the unity of the Russian world, the world of dreams. There is a war, including an information war, and many like you, like Skomorokhov, like Alexander Romanov, etc. ., unfortunately, become its victims, which is what the enemies of Novorossia use. Skorokhov wrote an article, exposed the criminals: the couple are gubarevs, a hero, truthful, pure soul, and at the same time Novorossia is drained, people are killed, an assassination attempt is made, including to Gubarev. If Skomorokhov is not indifferent to the truth, the fate of Novorossia, then let him expose those who merge it, and do not touch those who give their whole soul and mind to its benefit. Until this happens, I will assume that Skororokhov is in the same harness with The Kremlin and the fifth column merging New Russia.
                    1. Egoza
                      Egoza 14 October 2014 08: 43
                      +3
                      Quote: krpmlws
                      arrange assassination attempts, including on Gubarev

                      The whole question is WHO is organizing the assassination attempts? In this case, "their" same. Those who are now fighting for power in Novorossia itself.
                    2. Makosha
                      Makosha 14 October 2014 09: 25
                      +1
                      Quote: krpmlws
                      and at that time Novorossia is being drained, people are dying, they are assassinating, including Gubarev.

                      We would like to liquidate, so it would have been gone for a long time... And so he - without a single bullet wound after two "assassination attempts" and imprisonment in the SBU. This is in the war zone.
                      Himself is not funny?
                      1. krpmlws
                        krpmlws 14 October 2014 21: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Makosha
                        Himself is not funny?
                        Do you want to say that the attempts were inspired by Gubarev himself?
                      2. Makosha
                        Makosha 15 October 2014 20: 48
                        -1
                        Quote: krpmlws
                        Do you want to say that the attempts were inspired by Gubarev himself?

                        I want to say that the situation is VERY strange: to stay alive and healthy after two attempts. Especially in the war zone.
                        And why should he to myself to engage in this "inspiration"? There are enough other stakeholders for that. Including the SBU, where he managed to visit. By the way, he came out safe and sound.

                        I remember that some of the commanders already regretted that he had exchanged him for several officers in Kiev. All these incidents line up in a logical chain.
                      3. krpmlws
                        krpmlws 16 October 2014 11: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Makosha
                        And why should he do this "inspiration" himself?
                        Let's not deal with conspiracy theories. Two assassination attempts were, were. Gubarev survived and thank God.
                        Quote: Makosha
                        I remember that some of the commanders already regretted that he had exchanged him for several officers in Kiev. All these incidents line up in a logical chain.
                        I don’t know who regretted what, why and what incidents in which chain they are lined up. I know one thing: Gubarev is currently the only selfless and principled supporter of Novorossia who has consistently defended his position in the political field. Therefore, all these your transfusions from empty to empty, attempts to discredit Gubarev, and therefore Strelkova, Mozgovogo and others, cause me only a feeling of disgust.
                      4. Makosha
                        Makosha 16 October 2014 18: 26
                        -1
                        Quote: krpmlws
                        I know one thing: Gubarev is currently the only selfless and principled supporter of New Russia, who has consistently defended his position in the political arena.

                        Read the comments above.

                        And on the car, which "knocks down" the posts. She would say that she is stronger than an armored train:
                        http://politobzor.net/show-33972-nestykovki-v-dele-pokusheniya-na-gubareva.html

                        Read the comments below under the article.
                    3. smart75
                      smart75 14 October 2014 23: 50
                      0
                      Anyone who does not do good deeds should not worry about the decline of morality in society.

                      You should not judge Roman.
                      He did not "write an article." Drive him to war - then judge him.

                      And I’ll say that the Kremlin’s easiest way to blame. You were definitely not there.
                      1. krpmlws
                        krpmlws 15 October 2014 08: 14
                        -1
                        Quote: smart75
                        You should not judge Roman
                        Roman should not judge Gubarev. Far still far from Roman to Gubarev, much remains to be done for the benefit of New Russia, but for now, a bright future has not yet come for him, let him keep quiet.
                      2. Makosha
                        Makosha 16 October 2014 18: 33
                        -2
                        Quote: krpmlws
                        Far still Roman to Gubarev

                        What???
                        Drive yourself at least one time with a load of shelling, and then tell someone who is far away.
                        Tell me better, what exactly did Gubarev do for the republics, to advance the front?
                        Only specifically, please, without "general words".
                      3. krpmlws
                        krpmlws 17 October 2014 11: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Makosha
                        What???
                        That one.
                        Quote: Makosha
                        Tell me better, what exactly did Gubarev do for the republics, to advance the front?
                        You just left the taiga yesterday, not in the know about the role and importance of Gubarev for Novorossia? Gubarev was the first to lead the movement of New Russia, you know it or not, it’s clear that it’s not, but what does it mean when there was a Nazi riot around you or Skororokhov? And Gubarev could. He risked his life, health, his well-being. So there is no need to carry a blizzard. We exaggerated this Skomorokhov, who made himself an image in the supply of aid to New Russia, and now he suddenly considered that he had the moral right to pour slop on real heroes who are doing their job. Like he is almost the savior of New Russia, but all sorts of Gubarevs, Strelkovs (yes, that's right, for they will take on him if these gentlemen don’t hit their dirty hands) For me, this Skomorokhov after that -nothing, but in fact it’s nothing. I took a picture with Mozgov-clambered, and after that he will pour mud, since they are all like-minded people that make up one team, so criticism of one will inevitably turn into criticism of all.
                      4. Makosha
                        Makosha 17 October 2014 12: 13
                        -1
                        Quote: krpmlws
                        Gubarev was the first to lead the movement of New Russia, whether you understand it or not, it’s obvious that it’s not, but what does it mean when there was a Nazi revelry all around, would you be able to or Skomorokhov?

                        Unpronounceable you ours, Gubarev entered the "stage" of politics, when there was no "Nazi revelry" in the Donbass yet, and spent 3 months in Donbass while Strelkov held Slavyansk. And what did he do there? The militia from Slavyansk came to an unprepared place, Strelkov, the military commander (!), Had to do not defense, but economic affairs. And then Gubarev and his wife successfully filled up the work of the registered fund, and when he saw that the Russians were already somehow organizing without them with his wife, he began to run into Russian volunteers and accuse them of being unclean.
                        This was at a time when the volunteers, as you say, "with their dirty hands," supplied the militia.
                        And where was Gubarev when the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the Nazis were dragging food and uniforms from under his nose from the Donbass Arena? Have you been in a state of "banner" of movement?
                      5. krpmlws
                        krpmlws 17 October 2014 15: 35
                        0
                        Quote: Makosha
                        Gubarev entered the "stage" of politics, when there was no "Nazi revelry" in the Donbas.
                        Did you learn from Goebels to lie and distort the facts? Who was the first to lead the movement for Novorossia? He was arrested, but it’s so trivial as you do not deserve attention and has nothing to do with anything like Maidan, Russophobia overwhelmed Ukraine, rewriting history, laws and the rise to power of the Nazis.
                        Quote: Makosha
                        He spent 3 months in Donbass, while Strelkov held Slavyansk.
                        Contrary to Gubarev, Slavyansk held out for a long time, and why did Strelkov maintain normal relations with Gubarev, if he simply did nothing and nothing useful for Slavyansk and Novorossia? Don’t rubbish, tired of reading your Svidomo nonsense.
                      6. krpmlws
                        krpmlws 17 October 2014 18: 04
                        +1
                        The friendship of Strelkov and Gubarev is a confirmation of the great positive role of Gubarev in the fate of New Russia.
                      7. Makosha
                        Makosha 17 October 2014 18: 39
                        -1
                        Quote: krpmlws
                        The friendship of Strelkov and Gubarev is a confirmation of the great positive role of Gubarev in the fate of New Russia.

                        You contradict yourself, Unpronounceable. lol
                        If Roman is photographed with Mozgov, then he is PR. And if Gubarev is with Strelkov, then suddenly "confirmation of friendship and a big positive role."
                        With a fright?
                        wassat
                        I remind you. Strelkov came to Donetsk in June, and left in August, that is, 2 months, during which Strelkov was not in Donetsk, but in the "fields".
                  2. Makosha
                    Makosha 16 October 2014 18: 23
                    -2
                    Quote: vadson
                    her resignation from the post of Minister of Foreign Affairs of the DPR polit.ru/news/2014/08/16/gubareva/ - she asked for a loan of 30 billion rubles, she was removed from her post. with humanitarian aid did not cope who will give her the sum?

                    Where is she so much? business in the EU to buy? or island? And from whose pocket?
                    It’s clear now ... I couldn’t do it ... But she was going to? to cope?

                    In general, the horror takes how you start to drive into all this. Why then is Gubarev better than the same oligarchs? And THIS is what the militia gives their lives for?

                    News about the car (in the appendage):
                    http://politobzor.net/show-33972-nestykovki-v-dele-pokusheniya-na-gubareva.html
                2. Mona kisa
                  Mona kisa 15 October 2014 19: 44
                  -1
                  Strelkov said in a personal video message that Putin is doing everything right. And if someone says on behalf of Strelkov that Putin is "leaking" someone or something - THIS IS FAKES, A LIE yes
                  1. krpmlws
                    krpmlws 16 October 2014 11: 39
                    +1
                    Quote: Mona Kisa
                    Strelkov said in a personal video message that Putin is doing everything right
                    Strelkov is forced to tell tales of a good king and bad boyars, you can understand him, this is a political game, and nothing holds us back from telling the truth.
                3. I am human
                  I am human 15 October 2014 20: 37
                  -3
                  Quote: krpmlws
                  Of course, Skororokhov provides all possible assistance to the DPR and LPR, but this cannot be an excuse for publishing an article provocative in form and content. Voluntarily or involuntarily, but Skomorokhov plays into the hands of the enemies of New Russia.

                  buffoon! Where's the deal from? From the finger
                4. Makosha
                  Makosha 16 October 2014 18: 07
                  0
                  krpmlws (2): At the same time, the author does not provide any evidence, the article therefore ultimately looks like a bucket of dirty slops ...

                  Photos of Gubarev’s car after hitting a pole:

                  http://politobzor.net/show-33972-nestykovki-v-dele-pokusheniya-na-gubareva.html

                  Read the comments below them.
            2. Vita_vko
              Vita_vko 13 October 2014 14: 09
              -4
              As far as everyone knows, there are no political and military structures behind Gubarev. Therefore, almost any person could record a photo and video of the "mess" with humanitarian aid. Therefore, the article is great ---. Most likely, this article was written by order of the oligarch Akhmetov in the framework of the election campaign to discredit the unwanted.
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              2. 97110
                97110 13 October 2014 16: 05
                +5
                Quote: Vita_vko
                Most likely this article was written by order of the oligarch Akhmetov

                The likelihood that you wrote this by order of Akhmetov is higher - IMHO. I somehow believe the author more.
                1. Belarus
                  Belarus 13 October 2014 16: 19
                  +8
                  And you allow me to ask the author personally know? Or do you believe everything by word?
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                  2. 97110
                    97110 13 October 2014 16: 26
                    0
                    Quote: Belarus
                    And you allow me to ask the author personally know? Or do you believe everything by word?

                    I personally don’t know. I know life and a little life in Rostov and Donbass. Therefore, I modestly indicated IMHO. Do you personally know both the author and the Gubarevs? Give a comment. Although it is difficult for the author to give something, IMHO. And the probability of not pulling a large and complex work of working with people to a person without preparation seems to me to be very large. Notice, I’m not trying to blame the Gubarevs for the theft of humanitarian aid, I’m talking about the PROBABILITY of certain events.
                    1. Belarus
                      Belarus 13 October 2014 18: 13
                      +11
                      Your comment looks like a statement. In this case, tell me about the humanitarian aid that you found at the Donbas Arena, which belongs to Akhmetov and where it all went. There is a video about this:

                      And then all Gubarev, then Gubarev, etc.
                      1. Kaskadermike
                        Kaskadermike 13 October 2014 23: 13
                        -1
                        I don’t know the Gubarevs, although the native Donetsk resident did not elect him as people's governor either, and no one offered me this. And the fact that humanitarian aid is being plundered and profiting from this business is understandable. I've witnessed the distribution of humanitarian aid to pensioners from an unknown person in the Kiev region - 1 kg for a week. rice or buckwheat, 1 can of gobies in tomato, or sardines in oil, or stew in a small can, 1 kg. sugar, and it seems that the so-called ration should be a little more. But in the Budyonovsky district, humanitarian aid from Akhmetov was handed out, well, I'll tell you where rations are "fatter" - a can of condensed milk, a large can of stew, 3 kg. cereals (though what kind), 1 kg. sugar, a can of canned fish and no "vile" newspapers ... so let's be objective, how to admit the antipatriotic facts of some individuals was not disgusting ...
                      2. via75
                        via75 15 October 2014 20: 51
                        -1
                        Oh wow! Do you still choose from whom the humanitarian aid is fatter?
                        Ohren ... excuse me. no other words
                  3. scientist
                    scientist 13 October 2014 18: 02
                    +5
                    Quote: Belarus
                    And you allow me to ask the author personally know? Or do you believe everything by word?

                    According to the stormy unreasoned reaction of Svidomo provocateurs obsessed with fascism on the basis of their own inferiority, it is possible to select them quite clearly in the information field. Note as below
                    Quote: 97110
                    I somehow believe the author more.

                    97110 rolls back.
                    For me, as for many Russian people, Strelkov’s credibility is a serious and credible argument. Then how can the author of this filthy and custom-made series of articles explain this video and a number of others proving that Strelkov and Gubarev are quite close friends?
                  4. Nina Zima
                    Nina Zima 13 October 2014 19: 28
                    +2
                    I know the author personally and can say for all 100 that Roman is doing his job !!! and in Belarus you beat a child with a St. George ribbon, what was that?
                  5. Gogia
                    Gogia 20 October 2014 18: 39
                    +1
                    I know him. And I know that he did a specific one, and how he did it. And how he drove to Donetsk in his car. What did you do personally? Can you boast of achievements in helping the DPR? If so, honor and respect! And if not?
              3. Mona kisa
                Mona kisa 15 October 2014 19: 52
                0
                I just thought the same way - WHY before no one even said a word about it, but now they are painting so black with paint - the first enemy of New Russia is directly ... No.
                More like an order to defame Gubarev.
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              5. Gogia
                Gogia 20 October 2014 18: 36
                0
                Roman aka Banshee is known for having modest capabilities doing a tremendous job of providing specific units with many of the needs. Therefore, talking about his connection with Akhmetov is simply stupidity. I will repeat a well-known truth - revolutions are made by romantics, but their fruits are most often used by villains ... The information is very sad. Confident that Roman is receiving information from highly informed sources close to the DPR's "KGB" is depressing. Here's another Donbass Arena ...
            3. Ivan Tarasov
              Ivan Tarasov 13 October 2014 17: 17
              +9
              Quote: Kazakh
              Quote: Borisyth
              And who are you of high opinion ???

              We usually have here YOUeven if I disagree with the opinion

              We have such a Alexander Romanov here, so he also has the habit of poking, moreover, he is also engaged in trolling, is rude and nothing - he’s sitting in the moderators.
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 13 October 2014 22: 42
                +1
                Quote: Ivan Tarasov
                he also has the habit of poking,

                So for the mother, then the rules do not allow request
                Quote: Ivan Tarasov
                not only that, he is also engaged in trolling, he is rude and nothing - he sits in moderators.

                I’m doing it too, and if there was an opportunity, both faces would be co-aligned angry By the way: people who understand each other do not pay much attention to the circulation. And as soon as a muskrat with a liberal ducky so please you wassat
                1. Ivan Tarasov
                  Ivan Tarasov 14 October 2014 06: 24
                  +4
                  By the way: people who understand each other do not pay much attention to paying. And as soon as a muskrat with a liberal darling so please if you weresat

                  Do you think that if a person has a different opinion that is different from the opponent, then he can be rude?
        2. Grot.sereda
          Grot.sereda 13 October 2014 12: 42
          +9
          The company started on dipping the enemy in. The war began ...
        3. 290980
          290980 13 October 2014 14: 55
          +6
          Quote: nvv
          I do not have a high opinion of Gubarev, but I think the election campaign has begun.
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          The war continues


          Bezler had long stated that he would have known before who he really is (he meant Pasha), he would never have exchanged SBU officers for him.
      2. Owl27
        Owl27 13 October 2014 09: 40
        +16
        Money and power - this is a specific test for lice, stand units ......
        1. Imperial
          Imperial 13 October 2014 09: 52
          +3
          What is going on there, hell will break his leg, I read Gloomy Tin on Antiquary, according to Gubarev in the morning until this October 13.10.2014, 09, 01:XNUMX
          ->
          1
          Former "people's governor" of Donetsk Pavel Gubarev hospitalized and is unconscious

          The former "people's governor" of Donetsk, Pavel Gubarev, was hospitalized in a hospital in Rostov-on-Don, he is unconscious after his car was shot at and crashed into a pole.

          “The incident took place, according to preliminary data, on the territory controlled by the DPR. The head of the social and political movement "Novorossiya" followed in a car, on which unknown persons opened fire. As a result, the car pulled over to the side of the road and crashed into a pole. Pavel Gubarev was injured and, in serious condition, was taken to one of the hospitals in the city of Rostov-on-Don, "Novorossiya told Interfax. It is noted that the agency does not yet have official confirmation of this information.
          http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2588751 Правда или вброс ?
          1. Crang
            Crang 13 October 2014 12: 37
            +1
            Quote: Imperial
            The former "people's governor" of Donetsk, Pavel Gubarev, was hospitalized in a hospital in Rostov-on-Don, he is unconscious after his car was shot at and crashed into a pole.

            What is the make and model of his car?
            1. Eggor
              Eggor 13 October 2014 19: 44
              +1
              Quote: Krang
              What is the make and model of his car?

              DONETSK, 13 Oct - RIA News. An associate of the former "people's governor" of Donbass, Pavel Gubarev, who was driving the car at the time of the shelling, said that the Audi Q7 car left overnight after the accident was gone.

              Yevgeny Orlov, head of the Free Donbass movement, said at a briefing in Donetsk that when he arrived at the scene in the morning with guards and investigators, it turned out that the car - a black Audi Q7 - was not there.

              "Now we are looking for her. I call on everyone who knows where she is to help her return," Orlov said.

              On Monday, Gubarev's deputy for the people's militia of Donbass, Miroslav Rudenko, told RIA Novosti that Gubarev was hospitalized after his car was fired upon by unknown persons on the territory of the DPR. The car crashed into a tree. Now the former "people's governor" is unconscious in one of the hospitals in Rostov-on-Don, his wife remains with him.

              Orlov told the details of the shelling: “I was in the car, driving. At about 9 pm on Sunday, we were driving to Donetsk city from the Marinovka checkpoint (on the border with Russia - ed.). Our car caught up with another, began to cut, I heard the sounds of shots, "Orlov recalls. He began to move away from the collision: "Our car flew into a ditch, we crashed into a pole."

              No gunshot wounds were found in GubarevOrlov added. They were together in the car, Orlov himself was not injured. He suspects a "Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group" of the attempt on Gubarev's life.
      3. Sid.74
        Sid.74 13 October 2014 09: 52
        +14
        An interesting picture looms! Here a few days ago Yes Ji wrote about the humanitarian aid of interest.

        Officially: Since August 30, I have nothing to do with the project "New Russia" Coordination Center

        Recently, many people have been asking me the same question. Apparently, it's time to answer him.

        I consider it necessary to inform you that since August 30, for moral and ethical reasons, I have not been cooperating with the project "New Russia" Coordination Center. In addition, I cannot and do not want to answer with my name for the details of the Coordination Center "New Russia" and for the use of donations.

        I do not think it necessary to comment on the details. I do not like to make dirty linen in public.

        The only thing, I ask you not to associate me with this project, its leadership, and not ask about the fate of "New Russia".

        I have the honor
        Dzygovbrodsky Dmitry.


        In general, there is an overlap of oxygen to some uncontrolled structures.
        There is also news that Pavel Gubarev flies with the elections.
        Now they write about the wound! request
        There is a struggle for autocracy in the power of the DPR. This is a problem with a large number
        bosses from spring. Otherwise there will be no military dictatorship.
        But it is probably necessary during the war. If only they would not attack Mozgovoy.
        1. nvv
          nvv 13 October 2014 10: 29
          +5
          Quote: Sid.74
          . If only they would not attack Brain.

          Elections will be held, he will be in line.
          1. raccoon
            raccoon 13 October 2014 10: 58
            +10
            The mess is just beginning ....... there will still be roofing felts while the rats are in power !!! Without Strelkov, order cannot be restored and victory cannot be seen !!! And so it all began beautifully, there were so many hopes among people, now EVERYTHING !!! KABZDETS of Novorosiya, haw what is!
            1. RUSLAN39
              RUSLAN39 13 October 2014 11: 12
              +10
              Toucher. I could write a lot to the author about this, because I know the situation from the inside. And to my great regret, the author is basically right. No matter how sad it is. I myself was engaged in parallel with the war and am engaged in the delivery of goods along the way, including I did this through the Gubarev couple and not enthusiastic about the situation - I express myself very diplomatically, because something still comes to the soldiers.
              1. VSC
                VSC 13 October 2014 13: 20
                0
                The question is different. Where was such an informed author for six months. Why was he silent that "Gubareva has a mess" in the storage and distribution of aid. People would then help in other ways. Through the same "VO". Although, all other "assistants" were mobilized only by the month of July.
                In short, the author is a fat minus.
                1. NEMO
                  NEMO 13 October 2014 17: 40
                  +4
                  Quote: VSK
                  The question is different. Where was so informed author half a year ...In short, the author is a fat minus.

                  You, with your "categorical minus", do not rush to the author, where the author was and what he did, we know from the reports -Help Donbass. (Report on the first operation http://topwar.ru/index.php?newsid=53310), do not be too lazy to get acquainted (although, I see you have been registered since the month of May, should be in the know)
                2. Fox
                  Fox 13 October 2014 20: 38
                  +6
                  Quote: VSK

                  VSC

                  dear, according to the materials of VO in the comments, one girl from Ukraine wrote about this couple. After that, it was decided to take up the humanitarian review of the Military Review itself. Roman started. Roman does. I myself do not believe any SMS and accounts, but I believe Roman. I send money to I think it’s right. Yes, and Roman served as the OFFICER, who keeps his word. I am also an officer, and I really cherish this. There are many OFFICERS on the site for whom this is not an empty phrase. I have the honor.
            2. shtanko.49
              shtanko.49 13 October 2014 14: 10
              +7
              Without Russian liberals and oligarchs it could not do, no matter where they fit, everything will be stolen.
            3. Fekla
              Fekla 13 October 2014 14: 53
              +1
              The riot on the ship began
              http://www.novorosinform.org/news/id/11740
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        2. VSC
          VSC 13 October 2014 12: 57
          +3
          Quote: Sid.74
          If only they would not attack Mozgovoy.


          All ahead. Do not doubt.
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    2. Mahmut
      Mahmut 14 October 2014 06: 52
      -3
      The infamous little article. Speculation and half-hints, nothing concrete. Just to smear people with their own guan. You can see how the author wants to snatch dirt. But there is no compromising, only bile. A lot of bile.
  2. RUSS
    RUSS 13 October 2014 09: 16
    +6
    Pasha planted, who is next?
    Oh, whistleblowers .......
  3. vadimalehin76
    vadimalehin76 13 October 2014 09: 18
    -2
    Hanging execution, every day and to death am
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  5. avt
    avt 13 October 2014 09: 29
    +5
    request Well, even at the very beginning of events he said - it was necessary to create a People’s Control of Internal Affairs to combat sabotage and sabotage in Donetsk and Lugansk.
  6. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 13 October 2014 09: 40
    -5
    Hello! SHOCK !!! From Gubarev if this is really not expected !!! Well, if really guilty then according to the laws of the war through a military field or civil court-TO THE WALL !!! am
    1. ava09
      ava09 13 October 2014 11: 05
      +4
      Such gullible, or, if you will, without information on this issue, are capable of ruining any good deed. Too quickly you decided: "I didn't expect ... TO THE WALL !!!"
      1. ISKANDER25
        ISKANDER25 13 October 2014 12: 41
        0
        Hello! READ CAREFULLY! Written in Russian: IF GUILTY !!! hi Thank you
        I don’t remember switching to YOU ​​!!!
    2. ISKANDER25
      ISKANDER25 13 October 2014 21: 21
      0
      Hello! MINUSOWERS !!! You don’t know how to read Russian ??? Read ATTENTIVELY !!!
      Or LITERATURE or LIBERAS !!!!
  7. Styx
    Styx 13 October 2014 09: 43
    +7
    Well so everything is muddy? what I'm completely confused about everything that happens there, to be honest recourse
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  9. DartVerter
    DartVerter 13 October 2014 09: 44
    +3
    That was the ambush from the very beginning - it’s much easier to defeat the Ukrainian fellow farmer than to establish a peaceful life in the liberated territory.
    1. Grot.sereda
      Grot.sereda 13 October 2014 12: 48
      0
      This, apparently, only flowers, berries will come later. I just can’t believe it. Such a horror ... Who then to believe?
  10. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 13 October 2014 09: 47
    +6
    It is clear that Roman and the guys who got involved in this business understand everything and they easily separated the "lambs" from the "goats". As in any story where money is involved, there are always enterprising individuals who stick to this business. Plus there are personal likes and dislikes. Only here it is not entirely clear to me personally from the text who is the "goat" - then? Treating with the deepest respect for Roman for his activities, I cannot but note that against the background of his usually clear and specific articles, the latter somehow gets out of order.
  11. Kilo-11
    Kilo-11 13 October 2014 09: 51
    +7
    If all this is true, then it is regrettable, P. Gubarev gave the impression of a decent person. Although everything is natural. In the DPR and LPR there is no rigid, and most importantly, a decent vertical of power. In fact, every field commander is his own boss. . The humanitarian aid coming from Russia is distributed not fairly and evenly, and sometimes it is sold to the left. There is a proliferation of smuggling that they are trying to shove them to us in Russia. The "business" with expensive cars is especially popular. true without weapons. At the initial stage of this whole epic there were cases when one militia unit sold weapons to another militia unit. Armed "showdowns" between different militia units and this is, they share power, wrung out, etc. It is natural that all this is done with the consent of representatives of the authorities of the DPR and LPR, field commanders, example-Bolotov and Co.
    In general, we need a rigid vertical of power, the principle of unity of command and decency. Otherwise, the Novorossia project is doomed, unless of course external management is introduced. And most importantly, in this case, for whom and for whom our volunteers die ?!
    1. Tartary
      Tartary 13 October 2014 10: 05
      +11
      Quote: Kilo-11
      . And the most important thing in this case is for what and for whom our volunteers die ?!

      That is exactly THIS is the key QUESTION!
      1. demon184
        demon184 13 October 2014 10: 24
        -16
        This is not an article but a provocation to create a negative attitude towards the militia. such aftars must be very checked. Most likely he writes on order. But just whose, who is now in the way of Novorossia, to whom sanctions have pinched eggs?
        1. Luzhichanin
          Luzhichanin 13 October 2014 10: 34
          +1
          rather, you work on order, and Roman clearly and on business:
          it was initially clear that Gubarev was exactly what Roman wrote about him.
          You minus you are our provocateur.
          1. Tu-214R
            Tu-214R 13 October 2014 14: 16
            +1
            "Originally" - it is when? When did you understand something there, when did Roman write?
            ps yes, and stop as small as notify of the cons.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 October 2014 10: 50
          +16
          Quote: demon184
          . such aftars must be very checked.

          Roman Banshee works and really helps with affairs in New Russia, and you just chat with your tongue.
          Your ideals are broken, well, this is life - meet me!
          1. Koshak
            Koshak 13 October 2014 11: 19
            -2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Roman Banshee works and really helps with affairs in New Russia, and you just chat with your tongue.
            Your ideals are broken, well, this is life - meet me!

            We can judge about all the "cases" taking place in Novorossiya only by the posts and videos on the sites. And the Internet can handle anything better than paper. So, only the people of Donbass can judge them and about them directly. We, sitting on sofas, somewhere in the depths of Russia, can only watch. And who can guarantee that the author is exactly who he claims to be?
            1. Imperial
              Imperial 13 October 2014 12: 19
              +15
              Koshak Yes, and who can guarantee that the author is exactly who he claims to be?
              You would kindly at least look into the archives of the site before writing nonsense. A novel from the left, who guess from the right?
              1. VSC
                VSC 13 October 2014 13: 54
                +4
                I can not post a photo. Brain and shooters. Shooters and Gubarev, a lot, the last photo is the end of September.
            2. MAXUZZZ
              MAXUZZZ 13 October 2014 16: 13
              +3
              As for the people and their opinion, there is a video about the militia with the call sign Boatswain in the news above, and in my opinion it’s very relevant, someone is really fighting, someone is promoting it, someone is really helping, and someone is rattling, and it looks like someone is very I don’t like the spiritual upsurge that this war for justice caused, which we began to forget about, and they pit the leaders away, they slander someone, they leave, they knock someone. The people are beginning to slowly become disappointed in New Russia as an ideal of the state for man. What is this talking about?
            3. Nina Zima
              Nina Zima 13 October 2014 19: 38
              +9
              I do not want to comment on any nonsense of males. instead of pi * dit sitting in front of the monitor. take at least a hundred pieces, collect the cargo, call the militias, come to the point, wait 5-8 hours until the boys break through to our border under fire. hand over the goods and go quietly home. and the next day again to the bases, to purchase ... and on the street +40 !!!
              I can not stand those who * dit and on business and without work !!!
              now you are drinking, sitting in an armchair, and the novel has left during the day and is on its way to Novorossia !!! if everything goes well, maybe home by tomorrow evening ....
              Roma do not listen to anyone, God grant you health. the more blessing you received from Father Sergius for a good deed !!! God help you !!!
              novels miss the comment. I think Banshee will forgive you ...
          2. The Art of War
            The Art of War 13 October 2014 11: 58
            0
            hi Namesake. The namesake about demon184 why he could have called the article a provocation in my opinion 1 Until today, there was nothing bad about Gubarev, 2 Author Skomorokhov Roman (Banshee) I think I knew about something that the article was written before and the article coincided with the attempt on Gubarev, for this reason thoughts may flicker here is a stuffing against Gubarev and the goal is to denigrate something like that. Thanks to the author for the article, but it would be better if it’s more detailed hi
            1. Agat
              Agat 13 October 2014 12: 13
              +11
              And yet, Roman began this series of articles on October 8 and with these words: "I hate to start not just an article, but a whole series of publications under this title. But I think that the country must know not only its heroes, but also its own (and not their) scoundrels. "
              http://topwar.ru/59845-gumanitarnye-voyny-chast-1-strasti-po-trikoloru.html
              So everything is consistent. And this news was not new for me. I read about it for a long time.
              1. The Art of War
                The Art of War 13 October 2014 12: 19
                +4
                Greetings to Larisa. Roman is doing everything right, scoundrels need to be brought to light. And Novorosia still has a lot to do, my opinion, now it’s not up to the elections, but it needs to be identified and cleaned from traitors.
            2. Makosha
              Makosha 13 October 2014 13: 49
              0
              Quote: The Art of War
              Until today, nothing bad has been written about Gubarev,

              But good too. How did he differ?
              Quote: The Art of War
              I think the author knew about something that was written in the article before, but the article coincided with the assassination attempt on Gubarev, so here thoughts may flicker: this is a throw against Gubarev and the goal is to denigrate

              Does not match. The message that Gubarev’s car came under fire (it’s still not known from what distance they fired, and in general, is it intentional?) Passed at 9:17, an article on the site appeared around the same time. Write it - time is needed, and not 5 minutes.

              Roman’s article is more a response to Gubarev’s statement about distrust of private shares and the demand to ban them. Have you read the image in the article or does it not open for you?
              1. Egoza
                Egoza 13 October 2014 16: 45
                +1
                Quote: Makosha
                Roman’s article is more a response to Gubarev’s statement about distrust of private shares and the demand to ban them.

                I believe in Roman on 10000% !!!
                In addition, it should be noted once again that the help went through the WIFE! Why did they immediately attack Paul's alleged "denigration"? The wife did not manage to organize it as it should, could not resist the temptation to start the pens ... and also, perhaps friends-relatives "helped" ... What could Paul do in such a situation? Just write such an appeal so that the WIFE would not have the opportunity to appropriate something. Or do you want him to shoot her himself for this case?
                By the way, do you think that everything became clear to Roman from the first minute? Also, a person does not want to use his tongue in vain until he is convinced! So there is nothing to "roll a barrel" on him.
                1. Makosha
                  Makosha 13 October 2014 21: 47
                  0
                  Quote: Egoza
                  By the way, do you think that everything became clear to Roman from the first minute? Also, a person does not want to use his tongue in vain until he is convinced! So there is nothing to "roll a barrel" on him.

                  Elena, about Roman I, just the same, do not assume anything from what you voiced. That you are in vain. Re-read with that quote to which I replied.

                  According to Gubarev. I don’t know what Gubarev knew and what he didn’t know about how his wife was doing “business” with that foundation. But only he must understand that in making such a statement to the whole country, he undermines not only the trust of people in this fund, but also in the very idea of ​​New Russia. Moreover, the foundation bears the same name. There would be a "Gubarevs' fund" - their problem. This is without touching upon the issues of NON-supply of the militia and everything connected with it. Just the laws of fundraising.

                  Next. An intelligent person, and only those who consider themselves intelligent go into politics, could find another solution to curb the autonomy of their own wife.
                  In what happened to this fund, and in the statement of Gubarev, I do not see either a politician or an intelligent person.
                  1. Egoza
                    Egoza 14 October 2014 08: 53
                    0
                    Quote: Makosha
                    Elena, about Roman I, just the same, do not assume anything from what you voiced.

                    Dear Makosha! This is me not for you personally, but for everyone. In my text "you" with a lowercase letter means an appeal to everyone!
                    Quote: Makosha
                    In what happened to this fund, and in the statement of Gubarev, I do not see either a politician or an intelligent person.

                    I agree with that.
            3. Wheel
              Wheel 13 October 2014 14: 04
              +1
              Quote: The Art of War
              Until today, nothing bad has been written about Gubarev

              At VO, it seems that there was not, except for a couple of references that a lot of help goes through his wife.
              There were references on other resources, ever since he was at the top.
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          4. siberalt
            siberalt 13 October 2014 17: 01
            0
            Comrades, stop wailing. Project "Novorossiya" is alive, GCD is not controlled by any government. Donbass alone will not be enough here. It's only the beginning. The oligarchs fear this more than death, they have no nationality.
        3. serviceman
          serviceman 13 October 2014 12: 25
          +7
          Reread carefully the articles with the authorship of Roman, he was directly involved in the transfer of help with real photo stories, more than once! am
          The author expresses his vision of the current situation, and whether or not to agree with him is your right. The head is given to man not only in order to eat it. stop
        4. Belarus
          Belarus 13 October 2014 16: 17
          +1
          I fully agree with you completely. Gubarev is simply a person who will not agree with punishers. And if he is a non-contractual person, then he must be removed.
          Why the brilliant author did not write anything about Khodakovsky, Pushilin, Purgin but only clearly and purposefully according to Gubarev.
          The article is custom-made and for elections.
          And as for humanitarian aid, it is distributed not only to one person but to all those in need!
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 13 October 2014 10: 45
      +1
      for the interests of some oligarchs versus the interests of other oligarchs
    3. g1v2
      g1v2 13 October 2014 12: 39
      +5
      Now they will do it. The point is not that Gubarev is bad, but that the rear supply is complicated and it is also difficult to build it. I did not hear the facts that he slammed something, but I read about inefficiency and chaos. After the elections, they will begin to deal with this - there will be one-man management and the establishment of a headquarters and rear structure. But before doing this, a mandate from the population is needed. Who is Zakharchenko now, who chose him, and why should the same Khodakovsky obey him? After the election, he will be able to say - the population voted for me, I am building power, and everyone else either accepts one-man management or with things out. In principle, he could have only one competitor - Strelkov, and therefore he was removed from New Russia, as he is absolutely not happy with Russia as the head of the DPR. Firstly, a citizen of the Russian Federation, and this is immediately fawn; secondly, an idealist, and an idealist in power is scary; thirdly, poorly managed, and how to make any plans or forecasts when you don’t know he will do his part of the work or say That this is against his beliefs - that every time you blackmail and break out your hands? Fourthly, it is not a politician and not special in the economy; fifthly, Kiev will not talk about anything with him, just like he does with Kiev, which means no negotiations and diplomacy. It’s much more convenient for the executive, the local Zakharchenko, who by the way has serious ties in Kharkov, which also allows him to warm up pro-Russian sentiments. Well, this is purely my opinion, as they say - I did not hold a candle.
      1. 97110
        97110 13 October 2014 16: 20
        -1
        Quote: g1v2
        Well, this is purely my opinion, as they say - I did not hold a candle.

        I like your opinion. A plus.
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      3. Tanechka-clever
        Tanechka-clever 13 October 2014 19: 55
        0
        Quote: g1v2
        logistics is difficult and building is also difficult. I did not hear the facts that he slammed something, but I read about inefficiency and chaos


        I like your comment. YOU wrote very important words ... Plus ..
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  12. Flinky
    Flinky 13 October 2014 09: 52
    +7
    While the shadow of Akhmetov hangs over the DNI and LC, they are not viable.
  13. Gray 43
    Gray 43 13 October 2014 09: 58
    +7
    If the author had not been Roman, then I would have considered this article a provocation, but it’s disgusting to nausea. People believe in them and hope for them, that help will reach the victims of the Nazi lawlessness, but it turns out that the characters themselves are not angels, far from angels. That is why the Novorossiya project stalls, to the delight of the junta.
    1. vadson
      vadson 14 October 2014 00: 38
      0
      Gubarev read his wife a long time ago in the context of the article, so he was very happy when the novel started an initiative to raise funds and help on the site, helped financially as far as possible through our site, because I was sure that help would come, I didn’t send it through other funds, because I don’t spoil a beautiful patriotic site with left it’s not tricky with requisites, and feeding charlotans is not forgivable, and since spring I have read about the work of his wife Gubarev decided only through trusted people to help
  14. Stas57
    Stas57 13 October 2014 09: 58
    +13
    you forgive me, but I don’t trust anyone either The author Skomorokhov Roman (Banshee) also.
    no, not because I accuse you of lying or bribing the SBU.
    not because I believe or not in Gubarev.
    It’s just a very complicated game, and very cruel, and so I would beware of blaming anyone.
    and you are making a very serious accusation, very serious, and you must have 100% evidence

    that is why all such articles seem to me premature.

    once again, if someone does not understand, I do not know you, but you blame the other person for a serious crime, and you must be prepared to answer for your words. Personally, I’m out of date for any estimates.
    1. Luzhichanin
      Luzhichanin 13 October 2014 13: 21
      -3
      but nevertheless they made an assessment, minus you, you are our contradictory
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    3. VSC
      VSC 13 October 2014 13: 56
      -1
      The best review!
  15. Nasha rasha
    Nasha rasha 13 October 2014 10: 00
    +1
    I don’t know if this is true or not, but there are always those who profit from someone else’s grief! And if Pasha is one of those, then he will get his own ...
    1. Makosha
      Makosha 13 October 2014 12: 49
      0
      Quote: Nasha Rasha
      there are always those who profit from someone else’s grief! and if Pasha is one of those, then he will get his own ...

      Unfortunately, the militias are still getting it.
  16. wild
    wild 13 October 2014 10: 03
    +1
    All this is complicated. Maybe people are good, but in terms of organization they are not pulling, and this is a mess. And stolen or not, it’s not up to us to judge them by the hand nor anyone caught. And the revolutionary moment is complicated and the prospects are obscure.
  17. CONTROL
    CONTROL 13 October 2014 10: 16
    +3
    Quote: Kilo-11

    ... In general, we need a tough vertical of power, the principle of unity of command and decency. Otherwise, the Novorossia project is doomed, unless of course external management is introduced. And most importantly, in this case, for whom and for whom our volunteers die ?!


    It was provided by Strelkov, for which he paid ... So it turned out Walk the Field! ...
    1. Koshak
      Koshak 13 October 2014 11: 27
      +2
      Quote: CONTROL
      It was provided by Strelkov, for which he paid ... So it turned out Walk the Field! ...

      Strelkov is a talented commander, strategist, but not a politician. Politics has always been considered a dirty business.
      1. Nicotin13
        Nicotin13 13 October 2014 16: 12
        +4
        Strelkov called for the entry of Russian troops into the Donbass ... but this is not forgiven.
  18. iwakura
    iwakura 13 October 2014 10: 17
    +9
    Honestly speaking, Pavel Gubarev never made the impression of a serious politician. No, I don’t think that he is a traitor or patriotic enough - he’s all right with that. But a little bit of gouging (or not a bit). And my wife, who still had problems with the children ... I think they just didn’t. The created organization has grown to such a size that control has been lost. Naturally, under such conditions, a large number of adherents, opportunists, abusers, and other parasites formed. The Gubarevs themselves do not want to acknowledge their powerlessness in this matter, hence the conflicts with smaller, but more clearly working humanitarian organizations, turning to individuals.

    PS: I wish Pavel a recovery
    1. Buchki
      Buchki 13 October 2014 13: 05
      -1
      This is more like today's realities. I support
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    3. 97110
      97110 13 October 2014 16: 31
      -1
      Quote: iwakura
      gouging a little (or not a little). And my wife, who still had problems with children ... I think they just didn’t pull

      Is very similar.
    4. atalef
      atalef 13 October 2014 18: 59
      -1
      Honestly speaking, Pavel Gubarev never made the impression of a serious politician. No, I don’t think that he is a traitor or patriotic enough - he’s all right with that. But a little bit of gouging (or not a bit). And my wife, who still had problems with the children ... I think they just didn’t.

      In general, as I recall, my wife still had a post - Minister of Foreign Affairs
  19. demon184
    demon184 13 October 2014 10: 20
    +4
    Something from this article gives the impression that they are preparing a provocation under the leadership of New Russia and are trying to pour mud on the militias. This is not casual. Smells of rotten meat is not good
  20. fax66
    fax66 13 October 2014 10: 24
    0
    Everything is muddy ... I would not draw any conclusions based on the words of one, even a respected person ...
    The delivery of humanitarian aid to Novorossia is not handled by just a few - dozens of different organizations, groups, people ... They may intersect somewhere, something "cannot be divided" (but be sincere in your desire to help the people of Novorossia) ... And if one of They did not like something in the actions of the other, this is not a reason to dump "all the dirty linen" outside and accuse each other of "betraying the people."
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 October 2014 10: 53
      +6
      Quote: fax66
      They can intersect somewhere, something "cannot be divided"

      And with whom, by the way, Banshee didn’t share something. There are reports of what and how you can read in the articles. Roman doesn’t write everything how and what really happens. That would not shock you very much. The writing in the article is only part of the iceberg even more shit under water.
  21. CONTROL
    CONTROL 13 October 2014 10: 28
    +13
    From the very beginning, the Donetsk people were murky and criminal! Lugansk - better ...
    While there was Slavyansk and Strelkov - there was an example to follow at least, but as a maximum ... !!!
    And now there will be a sluggishly smoldering armed to the teeth conflict with goals for both sides - to completely destroy the enemy (and for the third - the United States - maintaining a source of tension for an infinitely long time) ... necessary and justified for all FIVE sides! ...

    On five of their "trips" to Novorossiya (from March to September) - they had nothing to do with the Donetsk people, Luhansk, Slavic, Kharkiv and some others; the transfer of "humanitarian aid" (conditionally peaceful purpose) - directly to Strelkov's people and field commanders (Bes, Motorola - not personally, to representatives ...). Who are the "givers" - friends, including personal ones; and we - only delivery. Well, and were forced to participate slightly ...
    I went to the site after the first trip ...
  22. auto life
    auto life 13 October 2014 10: 36
    +7
    Well, now the New Russia war of compromising! Even with the Ukrainians did not understand, but began to share feeders and power. It is sad if everything that is achieved will merge in these squabbles, and those sacrifices that are made will be empty.
  23. calocha
    calocha 13 October 2014 10: 52
    +1
    We need to wait for the video and not believe in any scribble, there is a struggle for financial flows, some people want to destroy the Novorossiya project! I. Strelkov will speak soon, I think I’ll clarify this dregs ..
  24. Semurg
    Semurg 13 October 2014 10: 54
    +3
    anarchy is the mother of order, and what else did they want from a meeting of field commanders, Cossack chieftains, "people's governors-mayors" and their wives. It's time to create a Cheka and carry out a purge "for their affairs" if they want to create something viable since the Russian Federation does not want to annex these lands to itself. The border is open, and how many weapons and explosives will flow from there to the Russian Federation and where God knows only where they will start shooting and exploding (smuggling of squeezed property and cars is a slight pampering in comparison with this).
  25. Dym71
    Dym71 13 October 2014 10: 55
    +5
    Roman, thanks for your articles, having read always go to the payment terminal, I will do so now.

    PS According to the article: Stas57 I wrote very correct words, you’ll forgive me, but articles of this kind are clearly not your hobby, do not judge, but you will not be judged.
  26. Nasty
    Nasty 13 October 2014 11: 06
    +2
    Incomprehensible article. In the morning I wanted to make a money transfer here, but I read the article and changed my mind. It smells.
    Transferred money here:
    http://spasidonbass.ru
  27. ava09
    ava09 13 October 2014 11: 09
    -7
    Vague doubts torment me, and not whether the provocateur Skomorokhov? Or just a SPORTS? Without going into details on the personality of Gubarev, I can assume that any dirt during the struggle for power will be harmful only to the people of New Russia.
  28. Borisyth
    Borisyth 13 October 2014 11: 40
    -5
    Well, here's another shit-polishing machine appeared !!! Hooray !!! who has not made useful is always ready to work as an anti-assenser! you learn to do first !!! Despite the real problems - do it! And then you will have the right to discuss others and criticize! Deflate your views on how things should be !!!
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 13 October 2014 14: 05
      +8
      Quote: Borisyth
      Well, here's another shit-polishing machine appeared !!! Hooray !!! who has not made useful is always ready to work as an anti-assenser!

      Are you talking about whom?

      ... Speaking of others, talking about yourself ... ...
      (Mikhail Mamchich)

      I read komenty ... and how many boiling truth-seekers were found right away ...
      Wah.
      But Roman before this article ... well, they just all sang Osana.
      What did not like the words and letters?
      You only need a description of the defenders with noble eyes with courageous steel in their eyes? And the heroic hands, mercilessly smashing the enemy?
      Well, well ... I will refrain from sarcasm, since it is not advisable to swear curiously on VO.

      Fighting is dirt, dirt and dirt. And in Nature, and in the Body and in the Soul.
      And not everyone is given to go through IT.
      .......................

      Roman - many thanks for deciding to write such material.
      The thoughts and knowledge of a person who IS IN THE TOPIC OF THIS QUESTION are very valuable.
  29. saag
    saag 13 October 2014 11: 49
    +2
    Discrediting the process itself as an idea occurring on the lands of the DPR and LPR is very beneficial right away on both sides of the Russian-Ukrainian border, so that they even forget to continue to think about it, so that this trend will continue to develop until it is intercepted by someone to others and then all mention will disappear, as if there was nothing.
  30. _Krechet_
    _Krechet_ 13 October 2014 11: 51
    0
    Almost all of Roman's articles are revealing or about a depressing position and traitors.
    Moreover, he positions himself as a principled and honest person.

    Novel. There are a couple of questions about your work and honor. They (questions) for reflection and the rest of the forum users.
    1. What prevents you from just helping?
    2. Why pour dirt on people through the media?

    You use a prohibited method - unfounded (or supported by documentary, which we do not know) charges without the presence of the accused. Gubarev is a public figure. You are incognito. An honest person, as you consider yourself, does not.

    I read almost all the news and opinions posted on this resource. From your "news" I often have a "residue" that they are custom-made and / or unclean - dirty (a la "Windows" with Nagiyev).
    1. Makosha
      Makosha 13 October 2014 12: 46
      +6
      Quote: _Are_
      You use a prohibited method - unfounded (or supported by documentary, which we do not know) charges without the presence of the accused.

      The forum, actually open, and all interested are aware of its existence. Gubarev, for sure.
      Quote: _Are_
      1. What prevents you from just helping?
      2. Why pour dirt on people through the media?

      You shouldn’t pour dirt yourself. Roman is one of the few who really helps, and with good effectiveness. And reports what and to whom he passed it.
      Roman's accusations are not unfounded. Theft is coming. We have already found stickers from Tricolor parcels in some cemeteries, and a constant mess with this fund of Gubarev. And people are dying. This is not a game, not a joke. It is very serious. Therefore, most want to know that their help has come to the right place.
      And you, probably, from those who like fish in muddy water more?
      1. _Krechet_
        _Krechet_ 13 October 2014 15: 10
        +1
        Let's get to the point.

        1. "The mess in the warehouses was terrible. Moreover, the warehouse workers did not deny themselves anything. Naturally, from the received goods. We saw it with our own eyes."
        Question 1. EMPLOYEES! what didn’t they deny themselves?
        Question about employees and their decency. And we do not know the course and outcome of actions to punish them.

        2. "The warehouse started working. Indeed, they were transported from all over the country, sincerely and from the heart. And, something really got to those who needed it. In the same Slavyansk ... But in the end it turned out that Bolotov wrested a part, something got to Mozgovoy, and only a small part actually ended up in Slavyansk. "
        Question 2. Accusation of distribution of assistance?
        How and why help was distributed - a question that needs to be asked to Paul (his wife).
        Although there is no answer, Roman has already decided that he was deceived.
        I will give an example. We collected help for the orphanage (we collected a lot). And clearly indicated which. And the distribution authority took and divided between two / three. DECEPTION! THROW!
        (I agree that fraud is possible, but it needs to be proved).

        3. "And the case of the" Novorossiya humanitarian battalion "gradually fell into decay. It actually went neither shaky nor badly, branches were separated, the leaders changed ... I tried to work with them, but here our friend would say better on this topic on the site "Nina Zima." She started with them, but I took all the loads to the last. "
        Question 3. BRANCHED branches and CHANGE managers?
        Question 4. How could the Gubarevs then control them?
        Question 5. Is it true in the light of the above questions that the above appeal about fraudsters with the recommendation to transfer cash only to the accounts of the fund under their control is a stupid decision?
        Question 5. What can "Nina Zima" say?
        And one more touch. And then Roman did not shy away from emphasizing his importance: "She started with them, but I took all the loads to a single one."
        And such a tendency from time to time.
        You can further analyze this article, but the principle, I think, is clear.

        PS I can be wrong, and Roman may have evidence of the guilt of Paul and his wife, Roman may prove to be really honest and necessary person of New Russia BUT. Before blaming anyone, be kind, prepare and bring the facts to your opus.
        1. Vita_vko
          Vita_vko 13 October 2014 21: 23
          0
          Continuing your thought
          Quote: _Are_
          I could be wrong, and Roman may have evidence of the guilt of Pavel and his wife, Roman may prove to be really honest and necessary person of New Russia BUT. Before blaming anyone, be kind, prepare and bring the facts to your opus.

          as well as saying
          Quote: scientist
          For many Russian people, Strelkov’s authority is a serious and credible argument. Then how can the author of this filthy and custom-made series of articles explain this video and a number of others proving that Strelkov and Gubarev are quite close friends?

          We can unequivocally conclude that, in general, the article has a clear pre-election focus on throwing mud at a person who dared to voice his election program of democracy and opposed the oligarchs. And immediately after that an attempt was made on him.
  31. innoker-1563
    innoker-1563 13 October 2014 11: 52
    +2
    "The further into the forest, the thicker the partisans!" I, as Natalia said: "everything is dull and incomprehensible," I agree with her. UNDERSTOOD NOTHING! One thing is clear that there will be some kind of denouement, otherwise why so many victims.
  32. Selevc
    Selevc 13 October 2014 11: 53
    +5
    The Novorossiya project, the People’s Governor, the LPR and the DPR, and so on - somehow all this is shaky and uncertain - as if not serious. It’s a pity that people do not die for good and winter on the nose is also real and the enemy is deceitful and insidious too ...
    Was it a Russian Spring project or not? (or is it just the Kremlin was driven into a corner by "European friends"?) - but he inspired many in Ukraine in the spring - I think that now there are much fewer such people ... All merged into some endless bloody fuss with no end in sight. ..
  33. DPZ
    DPZ 13 October 2014 11: 53
    +4
    Quote: Kilo-11
    P. Gubarev gave the impression of a decent person

    I think it’s not necessary to sharply change opinions about him, in any case, I will wait ...
  34. nemec55
    nemec55 13 October 2014 12: 18
    +2
    It’s kind of a viper, it’s disgusting to read all this fuss. The arrow there is not enough tobish guy with eggs. And if it’s even, it’s not clear to the fool that the sanctions (like this doesn’t sound shameful) put pressure on the GDP and the back campaign includes the guys. Only on TV they tell us that we are super duper, the economy is on the rise, we will defeat everyone
  35. Artyom
    Artyom 13 October 2014 12: 18
    +4
    I’ll also insert my 3 kopecks: I won’t judge anyone, but I’ll say only one thing, these are brothers, only the beginning! Remember the history of the civil war of 17 years! Was it different there? A similar situation! Remember what happened to such fiery revolutionaries as Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Yakir, Kaganovich, Frunze, Tukhachevsky, etc., etc. And what is worse than the current ones? Everything is still ahead!
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 13 October 2014 12: 33
      +1
      Quote: Artyom
      with such fiery revolutionaries as Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Yakir, Kaganovich, Frunze, Tukhachevsky, etc., etc.

      Listen, etc., etc., which of M.N. Tukhachevsky is a revolutionary? Red Bonapartishka, an orthodox Trotskyist, who was slammed like a cockroach by I.V. Stalin!
      1. Artyom
        Artyom 13 October 2014 12: 37
        0
        Yes, you see in the "three" were included! :)
        And to be honest with me all of them .... Yu!
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 13 October 2014 15: 35
          0
          Quote: Artyom
          Yes, you see in the "three" were included! :)

          I didn’t have it, for 19 years before me he was finished. Read Roman Gul. Red Marshals. http://pogelanie.at.ua/news/krasnye_marshaly_istoricheskie_portrety_roman_gul/20
          14-08-15-199
          It would be brought to execution = would not regret and the hand did not flinch.
    2. romaniron
      romaniron 13 October 2014 15: 06
      +1
      Well, history always repeats itself, remember the French revolution, Danton, Robespierre, Marat, and other Jacobins and Girondins, where are they? The revolution always devours its creators ((((
  36. tomket
    tomket 13 October 2014 12: 24
    +2
    It is, of course, understandable that during the turmoil, both random people and adventurers and crooks come to power. But the question is when the situation demanded to speak out and "lay" the crown of the militia on themselves, that is where the candidates were "all in white", "clean and not vicious "? It is good that there are Strelkov as an example, but that he is not a leader, then Ponomarev.
  37. ivanovich
    ivanovich 13 October 2014 12: 25
    +4
    An idea has long been voiced: to streamline all humanitarian aid deliveries in a single center under state control with a responsible person, but this has never been realized. The humanitarian convoys organized by the state could include assistance collected from private individuals and charitable organizations, and not just supplies from the state reserve. It would be the way out of that mess that we have.
    In addition, you can take an example from Ukrainian volunteers, they, by agreement with Poroshenko, created a single coordination headquarters at the state level, and at the logistics level they form their own mini-humanitarian convoys that bring aid to specific military units or roadblocks.
    1. Makosha
      Makosha 13 October 2014 13: 07
      +2
      Quote: ivanovich
      at the level of logistics, they form their mini-humanitarian convoys, which transport aid to specific military units or roadblocks.

      Uh-huh. And on the way to the state army, bandits from the terrorist brigades stop them and take for themselves which is better. It is good if they do not completely plunder. That is why the Ukrainians are fleeing the cauldrons. Why shouldn't they sit there, entrenched? Try to find them in the steppe! Hungry, so they are running, with "single" help.
      Quote: ivanovich
      The humanitarian convoys organized by the state could include assistance collected from private individuals and charitable organizations.

      No way. That help is only for the peaceful. Otherwise banned. And for some reason there were no reports that they supplied all the cities, but on the contrary, that they had not been dismantled for a long time and had not been delivered to many. You read the site. And not only this one, in operational form is on http://rusvesna.su/news
      1. ivanovich
        ivanovich 13 October 2014 13: 29
        -2
        It’s a pity that before you write your next crap nonsense you didn’t even bother to get a glimpse of the work and reports of Ukrainian volunteers, and there are a lot of useful and interesting things in organizing their work, but apparently this is beyond your intellectual development
        1. Makosha
          Makosha 13 October 2014 16: 17
          +1
          You should neither judge my intellectual development nor insult.
          It is one thing - the reports of Ukrainian volunteers, and quite another - the methods of distributing their aid to the battalions. On the Novorossiysk websites, there have already been reports that the goods are taken by those who are the first in the direction of transport. And most often these are not conscripts, but the Right Sector, "Aydar", "Azov" and the like. Those sitting in the rear.
          Therefore, do not offer us the centralization of donations. If such a method is preferable to you, you can list Gubareva. How do you do, to me - no difference. But do not impose your option on others.
          1. ivanovich
            ivanovich 13 October 2014 19: 23
            0
            You should not pretend to be an arrogant "pro", you should take the best that has been tested on someone else's experience and implement it taking into account your own developments. Personally, I am not suggesting anything to you and Gubarev has nothing to do with your explanations. All their centralized supply from volunteers distributes assistance on requests from parts and is distributed along the movement of the cargo itself to the final destination. Nobody "rob" from the battalions of their cargoes, on an emergency basis, they themselves can transfer what the military needs, this constantly happens in war. If something like this had taken place, they would have been put on a starvation ration long ago.
            1. Makosha
              Makosha 13 October 2014 20: 02
              +1
              Quote: ivanovich
              All of their centralized supply from volunteers distributes assistance on requests from parts and is distributed along the movement of the cargo itself to the final destination.

              And you, by chance, will not be one of these volunteers? laughing You are trying too hard to convince us of the "goodness" of their scheme.
              1. ivanovich
                ivanovich 13 October 2014 22: 47
                0
                Us?! Are you personally a plural, ready to answer for all of us? It has already been written above, for the especially gifted, personally I am not going to convince you of anything. you belong to the category of people about whom Shakespeare said: "Not the one who does not know, but the one who does not want to know."
                1. Makosha
                  Makosha 14 October 2014 01: 01
                  +1
                  I already went to the sites of ukro-media offered by you. Sick. From them really muddies. So do not offer to borrow experience from them. Yes, I don’t want to know either about them. Not required.
                  Your snobbery is ridiculous. I do not know you, but you do not know me. And such sweeping accusations?

                  I have a fundraising certificate from Abbot Evmeny & Co., more than 8 years of experience of volunteering in various forums (Orthodox) with charitable foundations, a diploma of professional retraining as a psychologist-consultant, a bunch of courses in the same direction, more than 20 "restored" (individual lessons) , and you tell me - to learn from Ukrainian volunteers? What?
                  I saw messages about the results of their work.upon receipt of the cargo by the army. That's enough for me.

                  PS I think you took my message too close to heart. Did I offend you somehow?
                  I just don’t get it. The topic in the thread is different. Let's not clog it, okay?
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  38. press officer
    press officer 13 October 2014 12: 28
    +1
    Quote: Imperial
    What is going on there, hell will break his leg, I read Gloomy Tin on Antiquary, according to Gubarev in the morning until this October 13.10.2014, 09, 01:XNUMX
    ->
    1
    Former "people's governor" of Donetsk Pavel Gubarev hospitalized and is unconscious

    The former "people's governor" of Donetsk, Pavel Gubarev, was hospitalized in a hospital in Rostov-on-Don, he is unconscious after his car was shot at and crashed into a pole.

    “The incident took place, according to preliminary data, on the territory controlled by the DPR. The head of the social and political movement "Novorossiya" followed in a car, on which unknown persons opened fire. As a result, the car pulled over to the side of the road and crashed into a pole. Pavel Gubarev was injured and, in serious condition, was taken to one of the hospitals in the city of Rostov-on-Don, "Novorossiya told Interfax. It is noted that the agency does not yet have official confirmation of this information.
    http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2588751 Правда или вброс ?


    My wife recently reported that no one shot at Gubarev ...
  39. Makosha
    Makosha 13 October 2014 12: 33
    +3
    A colleague tried to contact Gubareva. I also "caught" it is not clear how much. Barely went to her employee. I am a witness to this mess, so I confirm. But initially it was thought that there was no time for people to run around, organize. Not before. And then it began to strain.
    And no confirmation report, or at least a go-ahead: received-sent. We don’t ask about the full report, it’s clear - there’s not enough time.
    In general, it’s a nightmare, of course: there’s nothing for the militia to put on and put on shoes, Strelkov already beats all the bells, and there’s nothing to feed soon, but the organizers don’t understand where the finances are going.

    Now another fund has been re-registered, Humanitarian Initiatives. Head - Boris Rozhin. I have nothing against him, hard worker. But all the fees, it turns out, go to Zakharchenko. That is, the fund is like his. And immediately there are reports that the DPR militia is not ready for winter, no more than 3,5 thousand out of 12 thousand are dressed. How's that? And again - DNR ...
  40. alicante11
    alicante11 13 October 2014 12: 46
    +4
    Hmmm, I don’t know who to believe. Guys, you are not in Moscow, why the hell are you pouring slops on each other. There you have a real chance to get even with the scoundrels without lying lawyers and corrupt journalist. There are machines, there are loyal people. If you don't know how to do it, reread the "stillborn". After all, you will forgive, but if you allow the existence of scoundrels in the war, then who are YOU? After all, all of Russia is looking at you, at those who got involved in the war, and what do we see? All the same squabbles, the same Dorenkov's "fairy tales". Fairy tales are not because they are not true, I do not know whether they are true or not. HOW can I support a cause I don’t believe? Fairy tales because WE don’t need to know about it, if it’s a reptile, then crush it, and then say that it was a reptile. After all, with your articles you only interfere with the cause you serve, destroy your own works.
  41. Buchki
    Buchki 13 October 2014 12: 55
    +1
    Novel, the article caused bewilderment - a kind of confusion, it seems like your usually not clear syllable.
  42. ququ
    ququ 13 October 2014 13: 14
    +1
    Quote: Artyom
    I’ll also insert my 3 kopecks: I won’t judge anyone, but I’ll say only one thing, these are brothers, only the beginning! Remember the history of the civil war of 17 years! Was it different there? A similar situation! Remember what happened to such fiery revolutionaries as Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Yakir, Kaganovich, Frunze, Tukhachevsky, etc., etc. And what is worse than the current ones? Everything is still ahead!

    + + +
    "All the shit is yet to come!" (C)
    If we draw an analogy with post-revolutionary Russia, in Ukraine (and I think in Donbas) there will not be many ardent revolutionaries for the People’s cause (if any)).
    There they will go the proven way "Weddings in Malinovka" and Gritian Tavrichesky) ... there is also a Soviet film - "Green Van" (when we were there - in the east - the booth began to look again ... well made ... there will also be. ..21 century, but people (IMHO) in Ukraine have not changed)
  43. flSergius
    flSergius 13 October 2014 13: 20
    +3
    I'm not going to idealize or whitewash Gubarev, because I know him as well as most readers of the site - on the news, but why is this article published in the morning when they tried to remove it?!?!
  44. Yura
    Yura 13 October 2014 13: 36
    +9
    Roman is one of not so many actually carrying their load, which no one, I repeat, no one asked or forced to carry, he is an indifferent person, he is a Russian person, they judge us all by his deeds. And therefore, I would ask people not to call him obscene words, if he said something, it’s painful, and we must know the situation in the first person to be more legible with our help, so that it falls to its destination, and not to all crooks and irresponsible to people.
  45. ququ
    ququ 13 October 2014 13: 57
    +4
    Quote: Jura
    Roman is one of not so many actually carrying their load, which no one, I repeat, no one asked or forced to carry, he is an indifferent person, he is a Russian person, they judge us all by his deeds. And therefore, I would ask people not to call him obscene words, if he said something, it’s painful, and we must know the situation in the first person to be more legible with our help, so that it falls to its destination, and not to all crooks and irresponsible to people.

    I support every word. I have great respect for Roman and I think that he has the right to assess the situation anytime and anywhere. And I and many who were not there - no.

    I (sorry everyone) trust his assessment of the activities of P. Gubarev more than the information available to the ordinary man from the media.
  46. biglow
    biglow 13 October 2014 14: 16
    +2
    on the one hand, all this is sad, but on the other, inevitable .. A civil war without such a mess simply cannot be ... When there is no single leadership, such a mess is inevitable
  47. Fekla
    Fekla 13 October 2014 14: 57
    +2
    Judging by the video (http://www.novorosinform.org/news/id/11740), residents are unhappy with the ceasefire, the distribution of humanitarian aid, and looters.
  48. Siberian
    Siberian 13 October 2014 15: 11
    +7
    E. Gubareva took part in one of the Russian programs, where (when Prvel was "sitting"), thanked the Russian side for their help and said that they had collected too much, that she wanted to redirect to the orphanage and the ukrop border guards were not allowed, although there were only toys ... Apparently, someone helped with the organization and the warehouse (this was the beginning).
    Later I found a photo of a warehouse, an invoice, etc. on the Internet. I called, some, as it seemed to me, stupid girl, could not answer simple questions: whose card (which bank, where will it be sent, etc.), the money still transferred. My opinion: of course, being a good decent person, a mother of 3 small children is not the same as being a good organizer, pulling in leadership work (Strelkov appointed him minister of supply - how not to believe?) And keep it all afloat. A possible option is simply not pulling. And mistakes, imperfections, miscalculations accumulate, it seems that tomorrow I will get together and put things in order, but there is no way: time is not cut out, something new comes to the fore and the situation has already been "started" to the point of irrevocability. I remember that volunteer employees were invited to the warehouse.
    Maybe it’s not worth it sharply, but to reconsider the situation and steer onto the right tracks. That gnas in Russia has only military experts, volunteers - organizers - ay!
    1. Makosha
      Makosha 13 October 2014 15: 51
      +4
      Nobody sees, or what?
      Banshee's article is a review on the subject of Gubarev’s statement that ALL TRANSFERS MUST BE TRANSFERRED TO THEIR FUND. belay
      And no options. That is, no private companies, only through them, one and the same central organization, only to the current account.
      And, of course, without any duties on their part.

      There are VERY many questions. request
  49. flSergius
    flSergius 13 October 2014 15: 47
    +3
    My opinion: of course, being a good decent person, a mother of 3 small children is not the same as being a good organizer, pulling in leadership work (Strelkov appointed him minister of supply - how not to believe?) And keep it all afloat. A possible option is simply not pulling. And mistakes, imperfections, miscalculations accumulate, it seems that tomorrow I will get together and put things in order, but there is no way: time is not cut out, something new comes to the fore and the situation has already been "started" to the point of irrevocability.


    This is very likely. I had just such a boss - a golden person, but for a leader she was “green”. And there was no one else to put on. In Novorossia, where the territory is the size of Geletey's brain, and half of the population has fled, we have to work with what we have. Although, if there really are "rats" wound up, they are not justified.
  50. prio124
    prio124 13 October 2014 18: 17
    0
    According to the box they said that after the shelling the car crashed into a tree? According to his wife, there are no bullet wounds. Unconscious
    1. Ol_di
      Ol_di 15 October 2014 15: 14
      +1
      it is not yet known whether it shot? they hid the car, there weren’t even witnesses
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