What is behind the revision of the program of rearmament of the Russian army?

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While some representatives of the Russian authorities say that the economic sanctions of the West will not significantly affect the Russian economy, since Russia is looking for and finding new trade and economic partners, others are already announcing the need to curtail or revise certain programs. Among those government officials who say that it is impossible to carry out a number of state programs under existing schemes is the Minister of Finance of Russia Anton Siluanov. According to the head of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation, the situation for Russia today is such that the developed program for the modernization of Russian weapons to 2020 in its original version is impossible.

Siluanov said that work will now begin on the preparation of a new modernization program. Siluanova quotes RIA News:

We in the framework of this new weapons program want to revise the amount of resources that are being spent to make it more realistic. Now we simply cannot afford it and we will work with the Ministry of Defense to determine the costs that the budget can finance.


It is worth recalling that the current program of rearmament of the Russian army provides for the allocation of about 20 trillions of rubles from the budget for up to 2020 of the year. About 3 trillions more are planned to be directed to the modernization of the production base of the military-industrial complex. This program works up to 2022.

What is behind the revision of the program of rearmament of the Russian army?


The situation with the statements of Siluanov that “we will not pull such a defense industry” is in many ways reminiscent of the situation 3-4-year-old, but only with Kudrin. Russian Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin also said that given the current situation in the global economy, investing trillions of rubles from the budget to modernize the Russian Armed Forces is detrimental to the economy. When Kudrin was just starting to talk about this in the 2010 year, Russia's GDP growth was about 4,5% with the oil price range of $ 76-92 per barrel. In the 2011 year, when the price of oil went up (oil in April 2011 cost over $ 120 per barrel), while GDP growth remained at almost the same level (4,3%), and when investment reached an absolute record, reaching almost 0,4 trillion. dollars, Kudrin still did not depart from his rhetoric. And 26 September 2011, Mr. Kudrin, has ceased to be the Minister of Finance of Russia (after a famous skirmish with then-President Dmitry Medvedev).

Kudrin in the Ministry of Finance was gone, and the implementation of the rearmament program was in full swing. Only in the first years it was possible to achieve significant success: dozens of new surface and submarine warships, the restoration of military infrastructure in the Arctic, new airplanes and helicopters, armored vehicles, radar stations, other types weapons and military equipment, a significant increase in the number of the most diverse exercises and checks of the combat readiness of the troops.

Did the state rearmament program hit and fleet in the Russian economy? There is hardly a definite answer to this question. Kudrinophiles and pseudo-pacifists, naturally, will say that, look, look: economic growth from 4,3% in 2011 fell almost to zero in 2014 - therefore, there is an effect. Like, if they invested somewhere else or continued to stuff funds in dollars, euros and pounds, then the growth would have been wow! ..

But is it possible at the same time to wait from the above-mentioned people for really objective formulas of the fact that it was the increase in defense spending that brought economic growth in Russia to a minimum? Nobody will give such an answer, since in this case one would have to admit that revisions of forecasts for GDP growth in the negative direction in a number of countries in Europe and the rest of the world can also be associated with military programs and additional expenses in this direction.

Of course, one could continue to keep money in the funds, inflating these funds to unbelievable sizes, but why could this add to Russia's economic growth? If you make money and put money exclusively under the pillow (and in this situation with the option of investing in foreign currency - also under the pillow of a far from the most friendly “neighbor”) “just in case of fire”, this does not mean that you can live consider improved ...

With all the nuances, it is safe to say that investing in the modernization of the army and navy brings its positive results. Considering the current situation with armed conflicts that have swept the planet, to remain with the weapons option that Russia had before the start of the state program would mean getting frank security problems.

And what do we have today? Yes - oil has already shown that its price can sink below $ 90 per barrel, yes - the ruble has reached the historical minimum value against the dollar and the euro, yes - the sanctions against the Russian Federation continue, but is this a real reason to refuse the program for which the modernization is going? Whether we want it or not, but, apparently, it will not be possible to disown the revision of the program this time. In this regard, you can, of course, spit and fall into pessimistic rhetoric about what the army and navy are going to put on the altar of worship of the petrodollar. But ... There is no point in falling into black pessimism about the development of a new rearmament program.

The fact is that the “old” (that is, the current) modernization state program is by no means a set of dogmas that drive both the military department and the producers into the most severe limits. The program was made very sensibly: it was originally prescribed a variant in which implementation directions can be reordered in one format or another. Of course, always and everywhere I would like the Russian economy to grow annually by tens of percent, and the barrel of oil cost so much that it was enough for the army, the social sphere, and the production sector, but that did not work with “tens of percent” and “ a golden barrel "... And if it didn't work out, then you have to listen to the same Siluanov ...

As an explanation of what the government is going to move to, it is worthwhile to present the words of the deputy prime minister of the Russian Cabinet Dmitry Rogozin. Rogozin, in particular, declares that one program, when allocating new (considerable) funds, is likely to grow into another. According to Rogozin, the main emphasis in the new modernization program will be on new technical principles for creating weapons and equipment, and the technologies used should be transferred to the civilian sphere. In the program used today extremely high costs for the production of weapons and military equipment for the banal reason: the base of industrial enterprises and associations, unfortunately, is far from optimal. There are frequent cases when new equipment is produced on equipment half a century ago, which leads to reduced accuracy and attempts to restore characteristics separately, high waste generation (inefficient use of materials and raw materials), increase the lead time and, as a result, increase the total cost of production at the exit. Even more - the corruption component. The Prosecutor General’s Office reveals hundreds of violations and crimes of an economic nature in the implementation of a defense order: from the appearance of additional intermediaries to the frankly inappropriate use of funds. From here and frequent revisions of estimates in the direction of increasing budget costs.

It turns out that the government sets an ambitious task: to create an updated program with the elimination of corruption components hindering the modernization and at the same time reducing costs. That is, it will not be possible to pour in hundreds of billions according to the existing scheme, when control over spending is extremely dubious. If such a program really allows you to reduce costs and even at lower costs implement all that was planned initially, then you will only have to applaud the government and say another thanks to the sanctions. But so far the applause is far ... We are waiting for the development of the situation with the modernization program.

PS On Saturday, Prime Minister Medvedev signed an order to provide guarantees on a bond loan to Oboroprom. The Russian government gives guarantees with a total volume of 3,26 billion rubles for the implementation of a project to create promising engines for civilian aircraft by a defense enterprise aviation. This may well be considered the first sign of the new integrated modernization program.
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  1. +40
    13 October 2014 09: 10
    the liberals are trying to "drain" the army rearmament program!
    The current structure with many intermediaries that feed on the budget is not only ineffective, but also destructive!
    Only a set of measures, including a total fight against corruption and nationalization, will allow the revival of the defense industry again!
    1. ISKANDER25
      +8
      13 October 2014 09: 23
      Hello Vladlen! And Siluyanov is among them! hi
      1. +9
        13 October 2014 09: 34
        Quote: ISKANDER25
        Hello Vladlen! And Siluyanov is among them

        I wish you good health, Alexander.
        Gref, Kudrin, Siluanov, Nabibulin All of One Berry Field!
        1. +9
          13 October 2014 09: 45
          I will believe in a reduction in funding for the rearmament of the army only when Vladimir Putin says so. And so-it's just Wishlist liberalists!
          1. jjj
            +2
            13 October 2014 17: 24
            Recall. 1941 year. Industry is being evacuated to the Urals. At that time, in fact, the entire defense industry was created from scratch. In the absence of materials, raw materials, human resources. Yes, and money. But a year later, weapons were massively entering the troops. And a year later, it was also massively entering the troops, it was modernized, new models were launched. R&D was constantly going on.
            If necessary, Russia will be able to repeat that feat
            1. +16
              13 October 2014 18: 27
              jjj - Colleague, with dvorkovichs, nabiulkins, ulyukayevs and siluanovs, let alone repeat the "feat" of our predecessors - it is impossible to develop under normal conditions. After all, even before any sanctions, these rats drove the country's economy into a dead end.
              And what is the purpose of all these sanctions? - AND? That's right, the purpose of the sanctions is to strangle the rearmament program of our army. So who does Silanankin work for if he is seriously trying to justify the impossibility of carrying out this program request It is necessary to drive this shoblu of the Gaidar-Kudrintsy and the sooner the better, they will not only nullify the defense industry, they will merge us all for the sake of their true customers and much faster than many can imagine angry And now regarding the historical analogy you have cited - for a second, imagine that a group of then people's commissars - reports to Stalin - “we consider it inexpedient to release such a number of tanks, since this can reduce the living standards of the population and, in general, authoritative German economists do not recommend militarizing the economy to such an extent ... "- well, how many SECONDS would they stay free? wassat And now? And you say "repeat" - with these TV @ ry we can only "repeat" the 1998 default recourse
              1. +3
                14 October 2014 12: 32
                Now comes a turning point, or GDP with patriots and people, or with the West and the 5th column, and we must choose yesterday, at the threshold of the war.
                1. Shur
                  +1
                  14 October 2014 21: 17
                  A warrior is coming, just not always, say, I can see from the sofa.
              2. Shur
                +1
                14 October 2014 21: 16
                So it’s not clear why such a clown set of GDP? DAM and his team?
            2. 0
              13 October 2014 19: 26
              Of course you're right. But history does exist to prevent the same mistakes.
            3. +4
              13 October 2014 23: 43
              Quote: jjj
              If necessary, Russia will be able to repeat that feat

              In a new war, the time factor will be decisive. Who will give you a whole year to deploy a new industrial base beyond URAL? Now the economic base of the state has become the object of a priority strike of the enemy’s strategic nuclear forces. So, most likely it will be necessary to fight with what has been procured in peacetime.
              The strategic reserves of the state will be at war! IMHO.
              1. 0
                13 October 2014 23: 49
                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                So, most likely it will be necessary to fight with what has been procured in peacetime.


                There is life in the old dog yet. 36th another 5 years will be in BG. The main thing is not to miss the time for the second round of industrialization, already within the framework of Russia of the 21st century.
          2. +5
            13 October 2014 18: 51
            Soon he will have to believe. Speak up his talk about the fact that RUSSIANS WILL NOT HAVE HANDED UP. And now look at Novorossia. They just went to smash dill, as the team from Moscow came back to RESET. What Strelkov wrote about. Our President loves his friends and partners. people against the background of rising prices, the depreciation of the ruble, etc., is something between Bologoe and Moscow.
        2. ISKANDER25
          +1
          13 October 2014 10: 02
          Thanks Vladlen !!! hi
          1. +12
            13 October 2014 11: 11
            As for economic growth.
            I live in Kazakhstan and recently watched a program on how easy it is to do business in Russia. Four businessmen had to register land plots in Rosreestr. Who is faster. They had to hire people to prepare documents for registration but this is behind the scenes. The result of the competition in the first place - 166 minutes in line 15000 rubles of duty and 2 weeks of waiting for documents. The rest for running the Rosreestr ran for several days and this was only to submit documents.
            I myself recently designed two testament apartments. In Kazakhstan, it looks like this - for 5000 tenge (1000r) within 5 days you will receive a technical passport (technical plan) of the apartment. and private winners of the tender will do this. God forbid delay - and goodbye profitable work. I submitted an application for a registration certificate at a public service center (a public service center for the Russian MFC) and five days later I received a document at the same public service center. I stood in line and filled out an application for about 10 minutes, no more, it took a couple of minutes to get it. But in the program, this remained behind the scenes, documents from businessmen were ready. Then I immediately made a copy of the registration certificate in the Public Service Center and attached it to the certificate of entry into the right of inheritance (which I received from a private notary in 3 days, and I could have done it in a day, but the notary who wrote the will fell ill and had to agree that she would leave and put a mark in the will, the price of all questions at the notary is 9000 tenge (1950 rubles)). And then I applied for registration (+10 minutes) and paid a fee of 990 tenge (200 rubles against 15000 rubles !!!). Five working days later I received my certificate of entry into inheritance rights. Legal entities are also serviced at the Public Service Center, but they have their own turn but the same rates and terms. I think the companies will take much more than 5000 tenge for the registration certificate, but I think they will take even less for the land plot, these prices are stated by the company that won the tender for this service.
            This is a private example, but it shows how much easier it is to draw up documents in Kazakhstan compared to Russia, but even in our country, the economic growth rate is slowing down, but about 4% growth should come out this year.
            1. sergant6776
              +1
              13 October 2014 11: 52
              Yes, we have everything in Russia ... The Russians who came to Russia for permanent residence confirm that prices in Kazakhstan are lower. Well, you do not have nationalism either ... like in Ukraine.))))) There will still be roofing felts.
              1. +4
                13 October 2014 12: 36
                the prices are lower - s / n too :(
              2. +2
                13 October 2014 13: 28
                sergant6776 RU Today, 11:52 AM ↑
                Yes, we have everything in Russia .. "
                See how the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and its GRU work ....
                "" "13.10.2014/00/00 (XNUMX:XNUMX)
                Russian inspectors plan to carry out observation flights over the territories of Canada and the USA
                As part of the implementation of the international Open Skies Treaty, the Russian group of inspectors plans to carry out 2 consecutive observation flights on a Russian observation plane TU-154M Lk-1 over the territories of Canada and the United States.

                An observation flight over the territory of Canada will be carried out from October 13 to 18 from the Trenton open airfield (Canada, Ontario), and over the United States from October 20 to October 25 from the Travis open airfield (USA, California). The maximum range will be 5400 and 4250 km, respectively.
                http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=11992604@egNews

                At the end of October-beginning of November (approximately 22 10-3 11 2014) _ the US Armed Forces are planning to conduct an exercise of the nuclear forces of the strategic command "Global Thunder-15" (Global Thunder).
                According to the concept and plan, the following are associated with the "GG-15" exercise:
                - training of NORAD "VIGILAND SHIELD-15" forces on the air defense of the North American continent from 15 to 29 October 2014.
                -strategic command post of the Armed Forces of Canada "DETERMINED DRAGON-2014 (20 -29 10 2014). It is emphasized that the command post with" DD 14 "will primarily focus on the joint actions of NORAD, USNORTHCOM and the US Strategic Command (USSTRATCOM), especially in cyber and space areas. "
                .. turns out -NOT everything !!! ..
              3. +3
                14 October 2014 03: 08
                Quote: sergant6776
                Well, you do not have nationalism either ... like in Ukraine.))))) There will still be roofing felts.

                It’s not customary to talk about him. People are silently leaving for permanent residence in the Russian Federation, probably not because Kazakhstan prices are lower.
            2. +8
              13 October 2014 15: 42
              Economic growth is aimed solely at covering interest on loans to private banks that create money from nothing - credit emissions. Banks must be nationalized and work for the whole nation !!! Loan interest under the ban !!!
              1. +4
                13 October 2014 23: 59
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                Loan interest under the ban !!!

                Namesake! You swung at the holy saints of the chosen ones! This does not forgive anyone! Modern moneylenders do not forgive anyone!
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            4. +2
              13 October 2014 20: 48
              Quote: Canep
              I myself recently designed two testament apartments.


              Making a testament apartment is not a bit like buying land for a business. I filled out my personal plot of land, and after six months I helped to arrange the land for the construction of a hypermarket - believe me, these are VERY different packages of documents, and they can’t be compared in any way.
            5. +3
              13 October 2014 21: 58
              Funny you compare the design for legal entities and individuals and give an example for the entire economy.
              For legal entities in Russia, the state duty is really 15 thousand rubles. but in Kazakhstan, how many were not indicated.
              For individuals, the state tax from 200 (extract from the register) to 1000 (registration of property) - exactly the same as in Kazakhstan.
              Dates - for individuals are the same as in Kazakhstan (submission of documents 10 minutes and a week of waiting), for legal entities in Kazakhstan you did not provide data.
              And they pathetically declared - everything in Russia is bad.
              Yes, and economic growth - statistics which, for example, in England take into account the services of prostitutes in GDP.
              Alas, but you are wrong.
              1. +1
                14 October 2014 00: 34
                I confirm your words, the state duty is only 200 rubles
              2. 0
                14 October 2014 05: 21
                Quote: Hitrovan07
                for legal entities in Kazakhstan you have not provided data.

                Not true:
                Quote: Canep
                Legal entities are also serviced at the Public Service Center, but they have their own turn but the same rates and terms.
                To register documents for legal entities, you need exactly the same amount of effort as for physical ones, they have a shorter line but document packages are thicker. For individuals and legal entities, we do not make much difference. The difference in tariffs is several tens of percent, and not at times.
                Quote: Hitrovan07
                And they pathetically declared - everything in Russia is bad.
                I didn't say that. But I partially agree with you, it could be better for small business in Russia. Large firms can hire a person who will professionally wade through the bureaucratic jungle, but what should some "funny milkman" do? there is only one thing left - to quit the economy and do everything independently while incurring losses, here you have a recession in the economy. In conditions when oil prices are falling in Russia, one is reliable for small and medium-sized enterprises, and they are all in queues for officials.
        3. +1
          13 October 2014 15: 38
          Quote: DRA-88
          I wish you good health, Alexander.
          Gref, Kudrin, Siluanov, Nabibulin All of One Berry Field!

          But how Lavrenty Pavlovich is not enough for them! But someone should remove them from power or no one. And what will Anatoly Borisovich Red say?
          1. +10
            13 October 2014 16: 39
            Quote: valokordin
            But how Lavrenty Pavlovich is not enough for them!

            So people! it's time to clarify! Lavrenty Pavlovich more people released from prison than he put, and more people saved from execution than shot. All repressions of the 37-38th merit of Yezhov. If Beria had not been appointed commissar of the NKVD, then there would not have been a single Tu and Il aircraft.
            1. +3
              13 October 2014 18: 38
              It's nice that there are people who know the story hi
            2. 0
              13 October 2014 19: 33
              Quote: Canep
              All repressions of the 37-38th merit of Yezhov

              Yah? Yezhov that he appeared on his own and decided everything? He was appointed by exactly the same person who had appointed Yagoda to this position before Yezhov, and after Beria, Yezhov was appointed to carry out all these repressions, and then make him extreme and deplete, and Beria then appeared so white and fluffy
              1. +2
                14 October 2014 05: 34
                Quote: saag
                He was appointed by exactly the same person who, before Yezhov, had appointed Yagoda to this post, and after Yezhov, Beria

                At 37m, Stalin did not have sole authority; people were appointed collectively to this position. But he could take it off personally, which he did.
            3. dipqrer
              +2
              13 October 2014 20: 20
              Ilyushin did not sit in a sharaga, and yes, Beria oversaw many defense projects.
            4. +1
              14 October 2014 01: 25
              If - if not. I will continue. If it were not for the scoundrel Khrushchev there would have been no blackening of Stalin. If it were not for the scoundrel Gorbachev the USSR would not have collapsed. If it were not for the drunk scoundrel Yeltsin there would have been 90. And now Putin began to rebuild the Armed Forces and Russia and he needs our support more than ever. I think that with time he will crush these Siluyanovs, Chubais, Nemtsovs and others like them. Time-time, and as always, he is lacking.
            5. +2
              14 October 2014 09: 09
              Quote: Canep
              . If Beria had not been appointed commissar of the NKVD, then there would not have been a single Tu and Il aircraft.

              Glory to the brilliant aircraft designer Beria! !!
          2. +1
            13 October 2014 18: 01
            Red will not say anything. He already asked for 100 billion rubles from the stabilization fund, ... guessed at Skolkovo ...
            1. +1
              14 October 2014 00: 05
              Quote: prio124
              100 billion rubles from the stabilization fund ... guessed at Skolkovo ...

              You can ask indefinitely ... But I just haven’t heard something about real breakthroughs in nano-technologies.
              The red cheater is banking! Where is the joker !?
        4. 0
          13 October 2014 17: 01
          But why are the ministers, one more "patriotic" than the other! Already amazed!
        5. +3
          13 October 2014 21: 28
          Quote: DRA-88
          Gref, Kudrin, Siluanov, Nabibulin All of One Berry Field!

          I wonder who stubbornly holds them in positions? Afraid to tell the truth? Until people like Serdyukov, Chubais and other trash end up in jail, I don’t believe anything.
          1. +2
            14 October 2014 00: 09
            Quote: Pancho
            Until people like Serdyukov, Chubais and other trash end up in jail, I don’t believe anything.

            Pavel, and rightly so! Until the rules of the game change - no one can be trusted! Banking is always right! Because he has more rights!
          2. Shur
            0
            14 October 2014 21: 29
            And how can you just believe the words? Therefore, everything is divided in half or four. True, there is a movement towards the right, bright. Imperceptibly.
        6. 0
          14 October 2014 20: 40
          What the hell are the piggy banks given that the gold and foreign currency reserves are not owned by Russia and are stored in IMF accounts and other parasites.
        7. 0
          14 October 2014 20: 40
          What the hell are the piggy banks given that the gold and foreign currency reserves are not owned by Russia and are stored in IMF accounts and other parasites.
    2. +5
      13 October 2014 10: 04
      Quote: DRA-88
      nationalization, will again revive the defense industry!

      We must not forget where the USSR stumbled. Completely tying everything up to the military-industrial complex is far from an option. Neither political nor military. Practice has shown that a balance is needed between the civilian and military spheres. The mere presence of modern ICBMs provides complete protection of our state from encroachments (direct, military) of other powerful states. The rest is needed to project power and influence on other regions.
      Nevertheless, Siluanov's twitching is more transparent and less liberal than Kudrin’s. Money has already been given, you can only change the method and place of their application. The fact that we have an extremely inefficient state order system is a fact. Perhaps they will try to optimize this system.
      1. Shur
        0
        14 October 2014 21: 36
        Who prevents to combine the range of products, example Rotem (division of Hyundai Motors). Let it be "all in one bottle", civilians also need new technologies.
    3. +1
      13 October 2014 10: 28
      The enemies of Russia, through their henchmen in the Russian authorities, and how many others it turns out, decided to disrupt the rearmament program of our army, all these scoundrels, and the government and the chairman should get a good kick, otherwise they will bring the country to a hilt finally that they will recognize the training shooting at landfills burdensome for the country's economy.
      1. Bombardier
        +2
        13 October 2014 12: 30
        One request to the author, do not insert a picture with American submarines (in the text we are talking about Russia).
        1. Ivan Petrovich
          +1
          13 October 2014 15: 33
          so our same nuclear submarines and sailors like ours too :)
        2. +3
          14 October 2014 00: 15
          Quote: Bombardier
          One request to the author, do not insert a picture with American submarines (in the text we are talking about Russia).

          He returned to the beginning, looked at the picture. Build a crew - like ours. Water cannon - like from the 955 project ... Where is the imported equipment? Or am I looking in the wrong place?
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    5. 0
      13 October 2014 14: 03
      That's it - "with many intermediaries" and "package of measures". It remains to find out WHOSE intermediaries and how they "evaporate" and WHO "will give" and carry out a set of measures.
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    8. 0
      13 October 2014 15: 08
      Historically, those with more modern weapons and a stronger army have a stronger economy and more sovereignty. This is already the alphabet for any economist. And how the military budget will be distributed and spent is another question and not at all for a "referendum".
    9. +1
      13 October 2014 15: 43
      It’s time to introduce a parting article - the enemy of the people!
      1. 0
        13 October 2014 21: 50
        I am sure that our defense industry is our everything!
        1. 0
          14 October 2014 11: 40
          on this occasion, Napoleon spoke very clearly - do not want to feed your army, you will feed someone else's
        2. 0
          14 October 2014 11: 40
          on this occasion, Napoleon spoke very clearly - do not want to feed your army, you will feed someone else's
    10. timer
      0
      14 October 2014 20: 52
      On my own I’ll add that I need the most severe control from the Ministry of State Security (which I propose to create by pouring into it the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB) over the expenditure of funds in terms of efficiency, quality, and targeted use. Who should be guilty of life-long hard labor with complete confiscation. And this scheme needs to be apply to all government spending !! And what does Putin do-he hires liberal posts for key posts that irresponsibly give out pearls such as a reduction in defense orders, social programs, cancellation of capital goods, etc. This means a complete mess in the government! There is no united nationally oriented the team has puten.And he’s beating himself in the chest, saying that I am the guarantor of stability and well-being of the Russian people?! PUTIN CANNOT REMAIN SUCH AS RUSSIA. NO IRON GRAB AND WILL, AS STALIN, for example. As Foreign Minister suit.
    11. Shur
      0
      14 October 2014 21: 12
      It is necessary to tie the total responsibility of those who make decisions on the purchase of weapons to the duration of the entire life cycle of the latter, regardless of subsequent positions held, pensions and dismissals. Introduce a progressive scale of responsibility, in accordance with the status and position. The higher the position, the higher the responsibility and the more severe the punishment. It is also time, time for thieves to introduce confiscation of property in favor of the state, including that property transferred to the next of kin, by which its criminal origin will be investigated. In general, it is time to introduce a vertical of responsibility for the participants of all verticals. Higher rank, higher stakes. Those who dare to plant without the right to life-long participation in any kind of state activity and the "black list". So that I would directly type in the name of this figure and all the ins and outs. Otherwise it will be attached again.
  2. -8
    13 October 2014 09: 18
    "Only in the first years it was possible to achieve significant success: dozens of new surface and submarine warships, the restoration of military infrastructure in the Arctic, new aircraft and helicopters, armored vehicles, radars, other types of weapons and military equipment, a significant increase in the number of various exercises and checks of the combat readiness of troops . "
    - well, well ... The author, declaring this, is far from reality. I won't lie about other types of weapons, but "dozens of new surface ships" exist only on paper, unfortunately ... And the money has already been mastered am
    1. +8
      13 October 2014 10: 23
      That's lowered for 2014 at the moment
      http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/51700/
      That's laid for 2014 at the moment
      http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/51700/

      But for 2013 launching
      http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/44753/
      Bookmark New
      http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/44752/
      All with photos, not in words.
      Questions?
      1. -1
        14 October 2014 00: 55
        Yes, for God's sake, you can throw these links for the uninitiated, "people grabbing". When will all this come to the fleets ??? At least one of these ships entered service ???? And I am a naval officer, I live in the capital of the Northern Fleet - Severomorsk, I was born and raised here, and in all my 29 years of life and 7 years in the navy after graduation - NOT a SINGLE new surface ship appeared at the pier request From year to year they are fed only promises, and they have to exploit their obsolete equipment, pulling the last juices out of it. You can lay ships as much as you like and in any quantities you like, it’s another thing to bring them to mind, go through factory and sea trials, take part in the fleet, form crews, pass course tasks, etc.
        It's a shame and bitter to write all this ... minus further, "urapatriots" are worthless ...
        1. 0
          14 October 2014 13: 41
          And here in more detail ... In Severomorsk there is nothing new above-water? Are you aware that the Federation Council now mainly accepts the Premier League?
          Are you sure that you are a 29-year-old officer and have been serving for 7 years?
          Surface New ships go mainly to the DCBF and part to the KTOF. Now we urgently need to rearm the Black Sea Fleet. Such an experienced officer like you should know that the backbone of the SF is submarines, nuclear submarines ... Accordingly, why should everything new go to the SF?
          1. -2
            14 October 2014 22: 22
            Of course, in the know. So where am I wrong? Once again, I will not lie about what I do not know, and unlike you, I trust my eyes, and not a photo on the Internet for the "people". And I am writing specifically about the surface-to-water ships of the Northern Fleet for operations in the far sea zone. So, in the North, namely in the main base of the Northern Fleet, they are NOT, and are not expected in the near future. The submarines alone will not solve all the tasks, the balance of forces must be observed.
            In turn, I will ask, but you yourself are sure of what you are writing? And what new ships have ALREADY come to DKBF, KTOF, Black Sea Fleet? We have been waiting for the frigate "Gorshkov" in the north for a year now, but everything is "brought to mind" and cannot be finished in any way ... I will not tell all the details, but there are acquaintances and everything is sad ... recently one of the main engines burned out ...
            PS: and submarines and nuclear submarines are not the same thing? :))) I do not want to offend you, Samurai, but it seems you yourself are far from naval realities, since you write this.
            PPS: Of course, all these are temporary difficulties, and I believe that the fleet will eventually revive, but so far there are too many "buts" ...
  3. +16
    13 October 2014 09: 21
    On Saturday, Prime Minister Medvedev signed an order ... belay this phrase alone can scare the hell out of it! and it’s time to drive Siluanov for a long time with a piss rag. is there really no normal financier in the country? some latent pests! am
    1. +2
      13 October 2014 10: 55
      The discipline "Finance and Credit" is the basis of the "liberal-market" worldview. So you can look for a "normal financier" for a very long time and not very successfully.
      1. 0
        13 October 2014 16: 21
        would Glazyev not fit?
      2. 0
        13 October 2014 16: 21
        would Glazyev not fit?
    2. +1
      14 October 2014 00: 33
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      and it’s time to drive Siluanov for a long time with a piss rag. is there really no normal financier in the country?

      Yurich, hello! I agree. The finance minister giving the interview is not a system financier, but a politician! If so, go to the political venue, and finance love silence! Familiar with Yasin. He silently carried out the instructions of the President. He disagreed with the policy of the boss - resigned. Old school! And Siluanov is a remake! Liquid and the same in business!
  4. +4
    13 October 2014 09: 21
    Siluanov bent down! Most likely the gdp would have dispersed this gang of liberals !!! bully
    1. +5
      13 October 2014 10: 17
      Quote: kimyth1
      Siluanov bent down! Most likely the gdp would have dispersed this gang of liberals !!! bully

      "Siluanov bent down" - before writing this, you need to know at least something (what the Ministry of Finance knows) !!! Otherwise, such statements are pure populism and urya-patriotism. Without a doubt, the West American sanctions are causing and will continue to be harmful to our economy - they were introduced for this purpose. The question for us is what we can counter them, and how to stop and eliminate their effect on our economy. Certainly, a number of state programs (including defense programs) will have to be revised in order to achieve results for less money. This is what Siluanov said. If you want to buy an apple worth 5 rubles, and you only have 4 rubles, then your shouts, calls and accusations will not add to you the missing amount, and will not make the apple fall in price. This task is solved by other methods and means. Yes
      1. -1
        13 October 2014 10: 57
        The trunk is to the forehead and the paper is to be signed. "An offer you can't refuse"
      2. +1
        14 October 2014 00: 48
        Quote: GSH-18
        If you want to buy an apple worth 5rub, and you only have 4rub, then your cries, calls and charges will not add you the missing amount, and will not make the apple cheaper.

        Sir! Do not confuse your wool with the state! (C)
        On business. All plans were typeset in rubles, not dollars! Therefore, I do not understand: where did you get to the far-fetched 1 ruble, which supposedly is not enough to buy an "apple"!
        And the fact that our funds are held in Yankee securities is a matter for the powers that be!
        It is worth recalling the story when the militarization of the German economy pulled the whole country out of the collapse of the crisis ... Question! Why can the Germans, but we can’t !? Moreover, the Deputy Prime Minister expressly declares the transfer of part of military technology and development to the civilian sector of the economy!
        But this is a sickle on the "bells" of the egg-headed Yankes, which means .. UNAUTHORIZED !!! The fifth column is against !!!
  5. +7
    13 October 2014 09: 25
    This is the task of the Minister of Finance - to save and evaluate the situation realistically, but from the perspective of the economy. Each ministry sees the situation in its own way, and the President and the Government exist in order to listen to the ministers and make the best decision.
    1. +6
      13 October 2014 11: 16
      So let it save on the army of officials and deputies, and not on the Russian Army.
  6. calocha
    +6
    13 October 2014 09: 25
    ... You can’t do without stripping the fifth column !!! HARM in full growth.
    1. +2
      13 October 2014 09: 39
      And they hide behind the interests of the working people, like terrorists are civilians.
  7. ISKANDER25
    +10
    13 October 2014 09: 25
    Hello!
  8. +4
    13 October 2014 09: 30
    The defense industry has always been the flagship of innovative economic development. But the main thing is not to overdo it with defense spending.
  9. +5
    13 October 2014 09: 32
    Investing in the defense industry leads to economic growth, because new machines, materials, etc. are ordered. etc. Is it really impossible to pull dollars out of foreign funds and invest in industry?
    1. +1
      13 October 2014 10: 59
      In case of too fast and too large sale ("cashing") of financial assets, they greatly fall in price, this is called "at a loss"
    2. -1
      13 October 2014 17: 24
      Do not pull out. You can nationalize the banking system.
      1. +1
        14 October 2014 00: 58
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Do not pull out. You can nationalize the banking system.

        Not yet! The legal framework needs to be changed. And you will find out who we have in the legislators, and how their votes are bought up at the root! I say it because I know the history of the adoption of the law "Where did you get this from !? And you paid income tax for what you own?"
        A classmate in the congressmen was talking over a glass of tea ...
    3. 0
      13 October 2014 17: 24
      Do not pull out. You can nationalize the banking system.
  10. +8
    13 October 2014 09: 33
    No need to beat the alarm, fellow citizens, and personal pools (for the vast majority) we still do not see in the foreseeable future. But! We live. And in any case, its habitat must be protected - the first commandment of any kind on Earth. Everything else is intraspecific showdowns, it’s a bargain. Do you want to survive? Carefully grow claws, teeth, sharpen sticks, work on a stone - look for means and ways, just do not howl or whine - it will not help.
    And the budget ... Everything will be fine with him - checked even by our liberals Yes
    1. jjj
      +1
      13 October 2014 17: 33
      Quote: RU-Officer
      and personal pools (for the most part) we don’t see in the foreseeable future

      I dug a hole in a new bathhouse with a depth of 1 m 25 cm, a length of 2 m and a width of 1,5 m. Concreted the bowl. I made waterproofing on top and covered it with paint, which is not afraid of water and mechanical influences. Water pump their well. For water circulation, cleaning and heating - a Chinese pump, filter and INTEX heater. All pleasure - 50 thousand rubles
      1. +1
        14 October 2014 09: 19
        Quote: jjj
        In a new bathhouse, I dug a hole 1 m 25 cm deep, 2 m long and 1,5 m wide.

        This is not patriotic! Bourgeois ... I laugh of course!
  11. Romass
    +7
    13 October 2014 09: 35
    The program is accepted. The President keeps everything on the pulse. Comrades, no panic. The liquid demo screamed, so - EVERYTHING IS CORRECTLY MAKED! Corruption must be uprooted with a demonstrative shooting, as in China. That's right, according to conscience, it's high time ..
    1. +3
      13 October 2014 15: 45
      [quote = Romass] The program is accepted. The President keeps everything on the pulse. Comrades, no panic. The liquid demo screamed, so - EVERYTHING IS CORRECTLY MAKED! Corruption must be uprooted with a demonstrative shooting, as in China. That's right, according to conscience it's high time .. [/ quot
      And you naively believe it, but where is the landing? Even the enemy of the people, Marshal Taburetkin, was left at work and over-paid. Need Lavrenty Pavlovich and Pavel Sudoplatov.
      1. jjj
        +1
        13 October 2014 17: 36
        Quote: valokordin
        Even the enemy of the people, Marshal Taburetkin, was left at work and over-paid

        Yesterday I thought about whether nationalization would help us. He came to the paradoxical conclusion: if the MO were private, then Serdyukov, Vasiliev and others like him would have been buried for a long time. And knowing this, others would beware of building schemes
      2. -1
        14 October 2014 01: 39
        Well, they, too, without Stalin, would not agree to plant the different Taburetkins there. It was a team that Putin does not have yet.
    2. 0
      13 October 2014 23: 30
      Who will shoot their own.
  12. __HOPMAH__
    +3
    13 October 2014 09: 42
    Do you remember Stalin with his purges?
  13. +2
    13 October 2014 09: 45
    We will tighten our belts tighter, we will be left without pensions and roads, but we will provide an army!
    1. +1
      14 October 2014 01: 16
      Quote: Dunno
      We’ll be left without pensions and roads,

      In 20 years ... you can think so, but not in 60, and even more so in 70!
      I gave everything I could to my country. He lived in the Darkness of a cockroach, half a year without the sun, on the verge of scurvy, without theaters and cinema, without buses and the metro ... he gave the best years of his youth, holding his finger on the nuclear button.
      And now, you offer me to remain without a pension? Yes, no problem !!! Just return everything that was not given to me in my youth! Given inflation, of course !!!
      1. 0
        14 October 2014 09: 23
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        .gave the best years of his youth, holding his finger on the nuclear button.

        It’s nothing that there will be no pension and the finger does not extend after the button - the country would sleep peacefully!
  14. 0
    13 October 2014 09: 48
    As svidomye say: ... "і all against one-sided Ukraine’s Ukraine"... recourse
  15. +2
    13 October 2014 09: 49
    Quote: altman
    Is it really impossible to pull dollars out of foreign funds and invest in industry?

    Need, Need. It’s so easy for the financiers. No need to strain and pervert in search of finance. After all, how good ?! Articles have long been ground to each other. The costs are clear and calculated, the incomes are more or less stable and there is a stash for a rainy day. In any case, the prize remains.
    And here...???
  16. +6
    13 October 2014 09: 51
    To raise the welfare of the country and the people and not be able to protect all this is stupid.
    It would be nice to significantly reduce one army (officials and the so-called top managers), and the remaining ones to lower the salary, then you would look for money and everything else.
    It turns out that the government sets an ambitious task: to create an updated program with the elimination of corruption components that impede the modernization and at the same time reduce costs.

    Medvedev in his repertoire.
    1. jjj
      -1
      13 October 2014 17: 37
      Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!
  17. pahom54
    +2
    13 October 2014 09: 56
    I’m on the drum, as the old-new program will be called, but the result of the rearmament of the army must be obvious and effective! If medicine-education-science has collapsed, and it cannot be restored in five years, then the army can be significantly strengthened in 5-10 years !!!
    If Siluanov "looks at the root" not in Kudrinsky categories, but in real and patriotic ones, then the flag is in his hands and the government's.
    "If such a program really allows to reduce costs and even at lower costs to implement everything that was originally planned, it remains only to applaud the government and say another thanks to the sanctions".

    If he went in the footsteps of Kudrin and Serdyukov - it is necessary for him and the government to strike below the waist and force them to work efficiently ... Russia has not been in such situations, there is a way out of any situation, it is important to have a desire !!!
  18. +1
    13 October 2014 10: 24
    Gref, Kudrin, Siluanov, Nabibulin and Company today, these are Gorbachev, Shevarnadze, Yakovlev, Gaidar, Kozyrev, Yeltsin in the 80s - 90s. The tasks of these O.P.G. alone.
    1. -1
      13 October 2014 20: 18
      all these people were born and raised in the USSR. why did they become so? After all, all the officials, ministers, etc. EVERYTHING was born in the USSR, it seems like Soviet people should be brought up in the spirit of the USSR, like in justice, etc., but it feels like they are taking revenge to the people!
  19. +3
    13 October 2014 10: 40
    Defense. the order allows you to leave money in Russia, can these "liberal economists" allow this? it's such money and past their offshores !!.
    1. TROFka
      0
      13 October 2014 12: 04
      It would be sad, but many owners of defense enterprises just sit in offshore zones. These are modern realities and we can’t get away from them - money goes to places where it is more profitable for people to store and accumulate them ...
      1. 0
        13 October 2014 23: 38
        Is this with the second form of approval? I would like to see it, the director of a defense enterprise, which takes profits to "offshore".
        An example, please.
        1. TROFka
          0
          14 October 2014 00: 52
          Of course, I perfectly understand what you are saying. But in this case, take the leadership a little higher, and many managers and directors have permissions and a certain secrecy, but they are not owners. In Russia, they searched for the owner of the Domodedovo airport for several years ... Avisma’s VVSS is partially offshore, many defense companies of the BaZel holding (Deripaska) are taken offshore almost from the parent company and are managed from there. Our oil industry is not legally in Russia like that. Many publications have already written about this, unfortunately, not the best source jumped out of my search engine, I will try to rummage through my saved articles. And so please see below link.
          http://voprosik.net/ofshornuyu-rossiyu-ograbyat-na-zapade/
          1. 0
            14 October 2014 10: 18
            We can agree on something, but, in any case, most of the money will remain in Russia. You need to buy metal, energy, components, pay salaries, taxes, etc., etc. For the defense industry, much is acquired in Russia, there are completely state-owned factories. So if it floats away, then quite a bit.
            1. TROFka
              0
              14 October 2014 12: 20
              All that really falls into the budget is deductions from the payroll fund and the VAT for the products. Salaries at our enterprises, I think it’s no secret to anyone, are pretty low, hence the means are scanty. I do not think that the tens of billions of green pieces of paper that our companies take abroad to offshore is a meager thing. Almost all metallurgy is in the hands of the oligarchs ... If you have the opportunity to visit certain large enterprises and you will see equipment there, believe me - it is also far from domestic, hence it can also be called withdrawing money, albeit useful. Unfortunately, I work in the manufacturing sector myself and we have all the iron from Europe at the factories, a company like Russia, but Cypriot offshore is at the head of everything.
  20. 0
    13 October 2014 10: 43
    Ohio in the photo - change
  21. +1
    13 October 2014 10: 51
    Is our submarine in the photo? ..
    1. 407391
      +1
      13 October 2014 11: 02
      Of course this is not ours ....
      1. 0
        14 October 2014 09: 35
        The boat in the photo is still ours. "Alexander Nevskiy"
        http://magspace.ru/tag/%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%20
        %D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9/
        1. 0
          15 October 2014 10: 11
          at first there was an American boat showing off the photo was changed at my request, but now they’ll pass me by
  22. 407391
    0
    13 October 2014 11: 01
    In short, a hidden, veiled 5 column is present in the government ....
  23. -1
    13 October 2014 11: 05
    Quote: ava09
    Gref, Kudrin, Siluanov, Nabibulin and Company today, these are Gorbachev, Shevarnadze, Yakovlev, Gaidar, Kozyrev, Yeltsin in the 80s - 90s. The tasks of these O.P.G. alone.

    it’s necessary to quickly drain all this into the toilet so that it doesn’t stink
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  25. 0
    13 October 2014 11: 21
    "... According to the head of the RF Ministry of Finance, the situation for Russia today is developing in such a way that the developed program for the modernization of Russian weapons until 2020, in its original version, is impracticable ..."
    You can’t find internal, but more external reserves - an application to the table and to the Tajik residents in the salary calculation. Glazyev would have found.
  26. 0
    13 October 2014 12: 19
    as these "liberos", saboteurs and sluggish mongrels already got, under Stalin they would not even dare to utter a word, only they can moan and bleat, they themselves cannot offer anything sensible by definition ...
  27. +1
    13 October 2014 12: 29
    The Medvedev government is openly sabotaging and obstructing the military reform program. The most interesting thing is that Finance Minister A. Siluanov made a statement on the reduction of defense spending in Washington, which leads to quite definite thoughts .... The reduction in spending on the army and navy is fully consistent with Washington's policy towards Russia. The president just needs to send the government of "neoliberals" to resign in the near future .... It seems that right now the "moment of truth" has come for Russia: either the government headed by Medvedev will be dismissed and the country will reach a qualitatively new level of economic development and security , or the country's economy will be finally buried, and the state's defense will be threatened ...
    1. miladiz
      -1
      14 October 2014 00: 36
      On Saturday, Prime Minister Medvedev signed an order to provide guarantees on a bond loan to Oboroprom. The Russian government gives guarantees with a total volume of 3,26 billion rubles for the implementation of the project to create promising engines for civilian aircraft by the defense enterprise.

      Today, the State Duma Committee on Industry did not support the draft law on the budget, because of the reduction in funding for 22 subprograms, which are part of the state program "Development of Industry and Increasing its Competitiveness," 15 subprograms are not financed by the federal budget. "
      In particular, the program for the development of the aviation industry and its subprogramme for engine building provide for significant reductions.
      So who to believe, there is a real game of thimbles. It turns out that one hand gives, and the other takes.

      http://ria.ru/economy/20141013/1028125573.html#14132311313714&message=resize&rel
      to = login & action = removeClass & value = registration
  28. +2
    13 October 2014 12: 49
    What does the sanction of the West have to do with it?
    The author correctly noted that there were those who opposed its adoption. And that was long before the sanctions against us. The problem was not in the SUM itself, but in the possibility of its DEVELOPMENT by our industry.
    After all, how our leaders "counted" - "let's say that we will give 20 trillion, the market will be able to assimilate, and write off the rest .... The most important thing is that we will again demonstrate a show of unheard-of generosity and concern for" our Armed Forces ... ".
    But in this situation A.L. Kudrin was right! As well as on many other issues. It was not in vain that he was trained as a military platoon commander for the D-30 firing platoon. Coping.
  29. +2
    13 October 2014 13: 49
    Quote: Canep
    Four businessmen had to register land plots in Rosreestr. Who is faster. They had to hire people to prepare documents for registration but this is behind the scenes. The result of the competition in the first place - 166 minutes in line 15000 rubles of duty and 2 weeks of waiting for documents. The rest for running the Rosreestr ran for several days and this was only to submit documents.
    I myself recently designed two testament apartments. In Kazakhstan, it looks like this - for 5000 tenge (1000r) within 5 days you will receive a technical passport (technical plan) of the apartment. and private winners of the tender will do this. God forbid delay - and goodbye profitable work. I submitted an application for a registration certificate at a public service center (a public service center for the Russian MFC) and five days later I received a document at the same public service center. I stood in line and filled out an application for about 10 minutes, no more, it took a couple of minutes to get it. But in the program, this remained behind the scenes, documents from businessmen were ready. Then I immediately made a copy of the registration certificate in the Public Service Center and attached it to the certificate of entry into the right of inheritance (which I received from a private notary in 3 days, and I could have done it in a day, but the notary who wrote the will fell ill and had to agree that she would leave and put a mark in the will, the price of all questions at the notary is 9000 tenge (1950 rubles)). And then I applied for registration (+10 minutes) and paid a fee of 990 tenge (200 rubles against 15000 rubles !!!). Five working days later I received my certificate of entry into inheritance rights. Legal entities are also serviced at the Public Service Center, but they have their own turn but the same rates and terms. I think the companies will take much more than 5000 tenge for the registration certificate, but I think they will take even less for the land plot, these prices are stated by the company that won the tender for this service.
    This is a private example, but it shows how much easier it is to draw up documents in Kazakhstan compared to Russia, but even in our country, the economic growth rate is slowing down, but about 4% growth should come out this year.

    your untruth. You compare the paperwork by an entrepreneur and an individual, which is a fraud in itself. Who the entrepreneur paid for is his personal concern, he runs a business.
    As for private individuals in the Russian Federation, I applied for registration of real estate on 4.10. House + land. There were no queues. The duty is 1200 rubles. We sat for an hour with the sellers. From our work, only the signature in the documents. For finished documents come in 10 days.
  30. +1
    13 October 2014 15: 31
    Quote: DRA-88
    the liberals are trying to "drain" the army rearmament program!
    The current structure with many intermediaries that feed on the budget is not only ineffective, but also destructive!
    Only a set of measures, including a total fight against corruption and nationalization, will allow the revival of the defense industry again!

    Now answer who is the main liberal and openly calls himself that? laughing
  31. 0
    13 October 2014 15: 42
    And this yat is not over the hill yet? And he has a pen in the ass for flight speed fellow
  32. 0
    13 October 2014 16: 08
    I finally guessed to change the "picture", otherwise I "inserted" it from some ... American "Los Angeles" ...
  33. 0
    13 October 2014 16: 53
    If we now reduce the cost of modernization and re-equipment, then the hour is not even and tomorrow it will be too late and NATOVSY will open the door to the apartment with their feet.
  34. 0
    13 October 2014 18: 05
    Siluanova and the Ministry of Finance - to hell FIRED! GOT THESE DARMA-eaters!
    1. -1
      14 October 2014 07: 28
      They are not just a parasite, they are enemies: Siluanov, Gref, Nabiullina, Ulyukaev, etc.
      This gang is against the modernization of the defense industry, motivating it with the Kudrin testament about the preservation of the money supply. It is not clear why the GDP does not send such a government to resign.
    2. 0
      14 October 2014 07: 28
      They are not just a parasite, they are enemies: Siluanov, Gref, Nabiullina, Ulyukaev, etc.
      This gang is against the modernization of the defense industry, motivating it with the Kudrin testament about the preservation of the money supply. It is not clear why the GDP does not send such a government to resign.
  35. +1
    13 October 2014 18: 10
    Kudrinophiles and pseudo-pacifists, naturally, will say that, look, look: economic growth from 4,3% in 2011 has fallen almost to zero in 2014 - therefore, there is an effect. Like, if they invested somewhere else or continued to stuff funds in dollars, euros and pounds, then the growth would have been wow !.

    In fact, they would not invest in the defense industry - they would now have stagnation, i.e. negative economic growth. That's all.
    1. +1
      14 October 2014 01: 33
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      stagnation i.e. negative economic growth.
      Stagnation is stagnation. Recession is "negative" growth. Confused a little, it happens!
      1. +1
        14 October 2014 17: 12
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Stagnation is stagnation. Recession is "negative" growth. Confused a little, it happens!

        Thank you for correcting!
  36. -1
    13 October 2014 18: 25
    Quote: Vyacheslav 64
    The defense industry has always been the flagship of innovative economic development. But the main thing is not to overdo it with defense spending.

    The scientific developments used in the defense industry must be applied to civilian products. To do in a defense enterprise, money will come from the market and the products will be competitive. In the USSR it worked if you break through the "defense industry is all secret".
  37. ajkapojka
    0
    13 October 2014 19: 11
    I would transfer from my salary a thousand a month to a specific military facility, if necessary! And the liberals do not care!
  38. 0
    13 October 2014 19: 22
    No, well, enemy power is at such a post. When, when will they get what they deserve.
  39. +1
    13 October 2014 20: 58
    Everything is extremely simple: He who does not want to feed his army will feed someone else's. The simplest example in front of everyone is Ukraine.
  40. 0
    13 October 2014 22: 19
    The defense industry is pulling the economy out of failure, making it work all the more now, when there is an import substitution of components that were not produced in Russia and it is time for Siluanov to offer something worthwhile, such as cheaper loans, then the increase in production would show a significant increase.
  41. +1
    13 October 2014 23: 33
    Quote: ajkapojka
    I would transfer from my salary a thousand a month to a specific military facility, if necessary! And the liberals do not care!

    Why so weak? Only a thousand, little love Russian!
  42. 0
    13 October 2014 23: 39
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    In fact, they would not invest in the defense industry

    In the Russian Federation, where you don’t invest it, it is stolen everywhere.

    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

    would now have stagnation, i.e. negative economic growth. That's all.

    Those. you do not know the meaning of the word - stagnation is standing still (zero or a penny growth , which of course is very bad for the economy)
  43. +2
    14 October 2014 07: 05
    Quote: BoA KAA
    Quote: jjj
    If necessary, Russia will be able to repeat that feat

    In a new war, the time factor will be decisive. Who will give you a whole year to deploy a new industrial base beyond URAL? Now the economic base of the state has become the object of a priority strike of the enemy’s strategic nuclear forces. So, most likely it will be necessary to fight with what has been procured in peacetime.
    The strategic reserves of the state will be at war! IMHO.


    Very beautifully said ... yes, soon the thing is done.
    Again, blame everything on the Urals, BEAUTY.
    Only where were you all, when the Ural Siberia rolled down, it still rolls, a decline in industry, factories work like that for visibility. When city-forming enterprises are practically bankrupt ..., workers are out of the gate ...
    Compare s / n hard workers and cf. manager in the Moscow province and Ural Federal District.
    There is no need to draw numbers here and so it is clear where more.
    What I'm sorry here they want to eat less. Where have you all been before ...?
    Do you need to repeat the feat? So come and repeat, maybe pick it out.
    And maybe enough slogans. PEOPLE PARTY ARMY - ONE. WE ARE A GREAT COUNTRY.
    And just start thinking in the right direction, and not stagger from side to side ... according to the principle, maybe the kuda curve will bring something ...
    Enough to look from the Kremlin bell tower -TAM WE ARE OUT OF THE URALS OF POWER, WE WILL TAM THE GALLERY OF IRON AND HIT IN THE USA AND WORLD IMPERIALISM ... PASSED ...
    A long-term, economically-corrected development program for the WHOLE COUNTRY as a whole is needed.
    And you need to think not only Putin but also the State Duma of the Russian Federation as well. Yes, and to be honest, the electoral system is not bad, but alas, the returns from it are SO THREE. From asking something with no one by and large.
  44. 0
    14 October 2014 08: 28
    Quote: sergant6776
    Yes, we have everything in Russia ... The Russians who came to Russia for permanent residence confirm that prices in Kazakhstan are lower. Well, you do not have nationalism either ... like in Ukraine.))))) There will still be roofing felts.


    I’ve been to northern Kazakhstan in August, I confirm there is no nationalism - but they are afraid of the Chinese,
    The important question is which foreign language is best to learn: English or Chinese?
  45. 0
    14 October 2014 13: 20
    Of course, it is possible to remove specific people from power, but this will not change anything. All ministries have been sitting for decades, the so-called apparatchiks. Here we need a total sweep of state structures, but this is, in fact, the 37th year. And the central bank has long been time to nationalize, and for this it is necessary to change the Constitution. So there are more questions than answers. The system was not created for the people of the Russian Federation and it does not work against it.
  46. Crang
    +1
    14 October 2014 13: 25
    Right now, here's the "Mistral" we will sleep (pah-pah-pah) - here we have a "revision of the shipbuilding program" will be. And fucking.
  47. 0
    14 October 2014 16: 09
    That's right ... You can accumulate a huge pile of dough and sit on it, rejoicing, but if there is no protection (army), then a bad uncle (the army of another state) will come and take everything. Sense then from wealth?
  48. 0
    14 October 2014 18: 15
    Quote: Pafka
    That's right ... You can accumulate a huge pile of dough and sit on it, rejoicing, but if there is no protection (army), then a bad uncle (the army of another state) will come and take everything. Sense then from wealth?

    May withеto paint, and you can paint over gray hair laughing. The rest of the argument apparently has nothing to do with the Russian Federation and is purely formal.
  49. +2
    14 October 2014 19: 21
    While in Russia, at the helm of WEAKNESSES, LOUDS AND LOADERS, there can be no question of a rearmament ... the powers that be will soar people's brains SEARCHING FOR OBJECTIVE REASONS WHY IT IS NOT DONE ... and this siluanov is the first sign ... sanctions prevented us ... then they’ll come up with something else ... It’s known to a BAD DANCER ... well, in general, everything interferes ...
  50. 0
    14 October 2014 20: 18
    May withеto paint, and you can paint over gray hair laughing. The rest of the argument apparently has no relation to the Russian Federation and is purely formal. [/ Quote]
    Dear, there is such a thing, called a typo ... the second part of the post is not at all clear.
  51. 0
    1 November 2014 16: 45
    how much money will end up in the pockets of officials during this very revision of the RA rearmament program! am
  52. 0
    2 December 2014 16: 40
    Gentlemen, you can argue as much as you like about what is happening with the country’s economy. But I see concrete results, there was a plant, and it is no longer there; in its place, a business center or shopping complex has arisen. But who can show me even one nail or screw produced by this business center or shopping complex! Moreover, all these territories end up being leased by Western businessmen, and accordingly, all profits go to the West. Now the metro has started a wonderful scam, orders for the production and delivery of 800 cars to the country for the Moscow metro, and why. Are they trying to buy again, it’s all in the West, and not produce it in their own country? What, we can do a good job and give Western partners the opportunity to earn money, by the way, one of the participants in the tender is France again, and where are the guarantees that the story with the Mistrals will not repeat itself, the money is gone, but there is no ship! Where is the promised restructuring of GDP towards domestic producers? About the auto industry, I’m generally silent, one such craftsman has already closed Volga, now he’s trying to transfer Zhiguli to imported components, which threatens that workers will find themselves without work, but the West will be inundated with orders! Really. in the country, there is not enough strong hand for a thief to sit, not in his apartment, or a country mansion, but working in a logging camp, but this is impossible, there are people everywhere, and you cannot offend them! So it turns out that they are moving him from one chair to another, and the deputies, in order to protect themselves, quickly repealed the article, with the confiscation of property. Well, they will scold you and remove you, but the stolen goods will still remain! But the people have long since given up; everyone only cares about their pockets and their well-being. Because. and scream. That we should invest money not in factories, but in Western banks. So that if something happens, if they leave the country, they will be accepted there with open arms, with so much money! And the majority of families have been living in the West for a long time, therefore, no one wants to collapse the dollar or euro, although this is quite possible, they feel sorry for their capital, earned by the sweat of their brow! So, with such gentlemen, we will never have anything, only one-off copies that do not reach the army, but wander from one exhibition to another! That's why we sold 15 ships, instead of replenishing our fleet with them, why did we sell 5 submarines, that we have a surplus of them? Why do shipyards build yachts for oligarchs, and not ships for the fleet? Because this money is, first of all, for their own pockets, and the workers will survive on their 10 thousand, and the managers will go on vacation to warm countries on such free bread! So, wherever you look, those who should sit rule everywhere, and have been for a long time!