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American special forces will receive a super-light combat vehicle DAGOR

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The division of the company Polaris, engaged in the production of military products, presented a new model of military equipment. It is reported that the company's new product is an ultralight combat vehicle called DAGOR. The official presentation of the new items will be held on 13-15 on October 2014 in Washington, DC, as part of the annual congress of the Association of the US Army. The ultralight fighting vehicle is designed in such a way that it can transport at high speed across any terrain, including the rugged, an office of infantrymen in the 9 man. It is reported that these cars will be delivered to SOCOM, the Command of the US Special Operations Forces, as well as to the buyers abroad, special forces of the Allied countries.

Currently, DAGOR is already fully designed and tested, there are first orders for the car, it has been put into production. The whole process from the initial idea, engineering development to the beginning of the release took Polaris less than 2 years. It is reported that the ultra-light combat vehicle created is easy to manage and maintain. This is done in order to maximize ease of use of the machine in combat conditions.

American special forces will receive a super-light combat vehicle DAGOR


Representatives of the manufacturer have not yet disclosed whether DAGOR is an abbreviation. In their words, they have already concluded the first contracts for the supply of their new items. At the same time, contracts were concluded not only with the US army, but also with a number of elite units of other states. According to the publication Wall Street Journal, we are talking about the armed forces of one yet unnamed Asian country. It is reported that the first car DAGOR will go into service with American special forces in November 2014. At the same time, one combat vehicle costs the customer 140 thousand dollars. It is reported that the project itself is estimated at more than 10 million dollars, but at the same time the head of Polaris, Scott Vayn, believes that he will be able to make money on car sales in the US and abroad — on the order of 500 million dollars during the year.

Defense Update Thematic Edition quotes words from Jed Leonard, Polaris Defense Division Manager. According to him, the company designed the DAGOR combat vehicle for very demanding customers who are interested in a very high mobility and ease of the vehicle. The ultralight combat vehicle successfully combines an optimal balance of increased mobility, payload volume, and readiness for quick transportation by air. General Manager Polaris Defense Rick Haddad notes that DAGOR is more than their previous similar offers - cars like MV850 and MRZR. The new development is a step forward in terms of carrying capacity, the size of military equipment produced by Polaris.



The highly manoeuvrable machine is highly optimized for the needs of a small squad of special forces from 9 people. In the cockpit there are places for 4-s with a driver, another 4 person can be placed in the body. For the gunner in the car is equipped with a separate place. If there is a need for additional reinforcement of firepower, then several more carriages for relatively heavy types of weapons can be installed on the existing articulation.

It is reported that the car is equipped with a diesel engine. In curb weight of the combat vehicle is 2 040 kg. The DAGOR width makes it very easy and without any problems to immerse it inside the CH-47 “Chinook” military transport helicopter. Also, the car on the ropes as a possible cargo can easily carry another popular American helicopter UH-60 "Black Hawk". At the same time, a large transport aircraft is able to air an entire unit on DAGOR vehicles. In addition, the combat vehicle received a certificate, which confirms its reliability in the case of air transportation and discharge from a small height.



Polaris engineers have tried to maximally simplify the internal structure and design of the car. The design mainly uses parts that are readily available in commercial sales. This was done taking into account the possibility of urgent repairs at a time when the special forces would be cut off from military bases and warehouses. The car runs on standard diesel fuel, refueling one tank is enough to drive more than 800 km.

Unlike the famous Hummer army SUV and MRAP armored car, the DAGOR light combat vehicle carries almost no armor. Its creators deliberately sacrificed power protection, in order to achieve greater speed and maneuverability of their offspring. This decision coincides with the course of the command of the American special forces, who are interested in increasing the mobility of their forces during the operation in the rear of a potential enemy. Equipped with such technology, mobile units of special forces will be able to quickly and quietly move through the territory of the enemy.



Commenting on the development of the Russian Planet, Alexander Khramchikhin, who holds the post of director of the Institute of Political and Military Analysis, noted that despite the natural commonality of all the special forces of the world, their tasks are somewhat different. According to Khramchikhin, domestic cars are usually heavier than American ones for a number of objective reasons. Our troops must act on their territory, or at a small distance from it, which facilitates the process of transfer. In the same Crimea in February 2014, the Russian "Tigers" got not by air, but by sea. In addition, in the mountains of Chechnya, for example, secrecy is more important, and in Iraqi deserts - speed, since it is still difficult to hide there. The expert noted that “buggy” cars are very popular with the US military today, which, in fact, consist of almost one frame - it’s almost impossible to knock them out, since there’s nothing to get into.

Information sources:
http://rusplt.ru/world/skorost-vmesto-broni-13455.html
http://agropravda.com/news/mototehnika/1891-polaris-defence-predstavil-novuju-voennuju-tehniku
http://www.autoconsulting.com.ua/article.php?sid=31811
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  1. avt
    avt 13 October 2014 09: 24
    +2
    Let’s say a good car, I’m imagining how cool it is to dissect it at Klichforia and Miami — it will look like blacks. In principle, if in the future the summer is the same as this year, we can cut it through September.
    1. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS 13 October 2014 17: 03
      +1
      The idea is a suitable, but independent suspension. The cartilage and the ball flew out in the first pit. the department arrived. Well, it’s a good idea to insulate the body. Like Americans fight not only in Iraq plplinut. The concept of highly mobile groups under counter-guerrilla operations is the most viable. And speed from undermining protects better than armor, IMHO. So I think it will take root. We will catch up again
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 14 October 2014 08: 51
        +1
        Quote: fennekRUS
        The idea is a suitable, but independent suspension.


        Independent suspension nishtyak, you can cross the intersection at a fairly high speed of 50 km / h or more.

        Quote: fennekRUS
        The cartilage and the ball flew out in the first pit. the department arrived.


        Put spring pullers and spare ball bearings in the spare parts, you can also put silent blocks and spare pullers to repress them, all this is useful for repair in the field. The replacement work itself does not take much time.
        In addition, in order to bring the ball to such a wretched state on such a machine, one must try hard.

        Quote: fennekRUS
        Well, it’s a good idea to insulate the body.


        Surely, like on the Humvee, there are door curtains (or light folding frame doors with cellophane windows) and an awning on the roof, which are installed in a short time, and in disassembled form are stored in special bags in the car, just like on the Humvees of the first issues.



        The design mainly uses parts that are readily available commercially. This was done taking into account the possibility of urgent repairs at a time when commandos would be cut off from military bases and warehouses. The car runs on standard diesel fuel, refueling one tank is enough to drive more than 800 km. (Quote)

        So the car as a whole is not bad, only the power reserve is small of course.
        Our "Scorpion 2-M" has 1000 km at one gas station, for example.

        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 14 October 2014 19: 06
          +1
          Quote: wanderer_032
          e as on the "Humvee" of the first issues.


          the failed "Humvee" from General Dynamics 1978-1978 ...
        2. cosmos111
          cosmos111 14 October 2014 20: 43
          0
          AM General, producing Hamera, released a prototype tactical armored car ...- Groundmobility vehicle 1.1
        3. cosmos111
          cosmos111 14 October 2014 21: 21
          +1
          Quote: wanderer_032

          Independent suspension nishtyak, you can cross the intersection at a fairly high speed of 50 km / h or more.

          Now the yankers, even their MCIs, are being transferred to an independent suspension ...
          great mobility, ride and stability ...
          info s:http://dev.defense-update.com/tag/force-protection

          independent suspension from the company, AxleTech International just for armored cars ... with a large mass ...
        4. bmv04636
          bmv04636 15 October 2014 13: 32
          +1

          we can do it on asphalt
        5. bmv04636
          bmv04636 15 October 2014 13: 36
          0
          This we can without a wheel and a small drift.
      2. Greenhorn
        Greenhorn 14 October 2014 14: 33
        0
        Quote: fennekRUS
        And speed from undermining protects better than armor, IMHO.

        And from the machine gun queue?
    2. Vasek
      Vasek 14 October 2014 22: 35
      +1
      Quote: avt
      We’ll say a good car, just imagine how cool it is to y cut it at Clichfort and Miami — it’s just to frighten blacks.

      But the rims seem to have been developed in Israel. laughing
  2. Aydar
    Aydar 13 October 2014 09: 32
    +3
    Reminds me a bit of this pattern.
    1. avt
      avt 13 October 2014 10: 35
      0
      Her. Rather, a Dodge 3/4. Again, looking at the second and fourth photos from the article with the brave soldiers at the exhibition, I recall the military chronicle of the Amers in the Ardennes on Willis laughing with tents under the snow.
      Quote: Aydar
      Reminds me a bit of this pattern.
    2. cosmos111
      cosmos111 13 October 2014 13: 21
      +1
      Quote: Aydar
      Reminds me a bit of this pattern.

      Germans in a general trend in NATO are transferring their special forces to armored vehicles ...
      but only, as always with German SPECIFICITY ...

      all Amerov and English armored vehicles, no armored glass and not armored MTO ... GERMANS ALL THIS !!!!
      and the engine is booked and the driver has bulletproof glass ...

      I repeat .. yesterday posted ...
      Quote: cosmos111
      Krauss-Maffei Wegman, special vehicle (SOV) on Bremach chassis

      клик



      I will add that this Italian platform "Bremach" is also produced in Russia at UAZ, but there are no armored vehicles from this manufacturer !!!
      although this enterprise was created specifically for these purposes !!!
      UAZ begins production of trucks on Bremach chassis - UAZ T-REX
      Ulyanovsk Automobile Plant launches a new project for the production of all-wheel drive special vehicles on the chassis of the Italian company Bremach. In accordance with the agreements reached, special equipment on the Bremach chassis will be assembled at the UAZ site and sold on the Russian market under the UAZ brand.

      info s:http://www.off-road-drive.ru/news/120/
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 14 October 2014 20: 15
        0
        another modular tactical platform from Mercedes ...

        G-Class 6x6
        клик


        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 14 October 2014 21: 44
          +1
          one more modular tactical armored vehicle from Germany ..

          MUNGO GROUP VEHICLE ..... With a gross weight of only 5,3 tons, MUNGO can transport up to ten fully equipped soldiers. The MUNGO is an ideal solution for deploying air-portable forces in crisis situations. A vehicle can be either disarmed for loading onto a CH53 or a CH47 transport helicopter, or re-armed for deployment in as little as five minutes. In C130 and A400M type transport aircraft, two or even three MUNGO vehicles can be transported together with their crew. In addition, MUNGO air is mobile as external cargo by helicopter.

          info s:http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.ru/2014/03/the-mungo-group-vehicleonly-off-shelf.h


          tml


          our specialists just need to study the experience of countries producing such armored cars ... and start producing their ...

          Mungo ESK - a multipurpose car
          клик


        2. Vasek
          Vasek 14 October 2014 22: 43
          +2
          Quote: cosmos111
          G-Class 6x6

          Thank you, Andryusha, pleased (as always).
          Interestingly, is Geli’s motorcycle compartment also armored? In terms of dimensions it looks like an ordinary one.
          But overall, the Germans remain champions. In any segment of the auto business!
    3. cosmos111
      cosmos111 14 October 2014 19: 40
      +1
      everything new is well forgotten - OLD !!!
      клик
  3. LeXXSkAt
    LeXXSkAt 13 October 2014 09: 54
    +4
    Wheels are good))))
    1. Igor I.
      Igor I. 13 October 2014 22: 42
      +4
      kosher ...
      wink laughing good
      1. STALGRAD76
        STALGRAD76 14 October 2014 10: 25
        +1
        With such disks, the Arabs can’t be sold laughing
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 14 October 2014 20: 35
          +1
          modular, tactical armored car S-ATV from Oshkosh ....

          1. Vasek
            Vasek 14 October 2014 22: 46
            +1
            Quote: cosmos111
            modular, tactical armored car S-ATV from Oshkosh ....

            Interestingly, Oshkosh is also a fashion brand of children's clothing! laughing
  4. Vend
    Vend 13 October 2014 09: 54
    +1
    Cool design, but how will it ride? And what will happen to the passengers during the shelling? What will be the scope?
    Buggy cars are very popular today, which, in fact, consist of almost one frame - it’s almost impossible to knock them out, since there’s nothing to get into.

    How is it not what? In the driver.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 13 October 2014 11: 18
      0
      Quote: Wend
      Buggy cars are very popular today, which, in fact, consist of almost one frame - it’s almost impossible to knock them out, since there’s nothing to get into.
      How is it not what? In the driver.

      Is the driver hanging in the air? "Not getting into anything" is generally a masterpiece of thought.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 14 October 2014 20: 57
        +1
        Americans plan to purchase for their special forces:
        It is planned to purchase about 1300 cars to replace the SOCOM current GMV fleet, which are Hammers specialized for commando use.

        companies involved:
        applicants include Navistar International, and a flyer built by General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical

        what competition, but there are still at least a dozen pritendnts !!!
        there is an OFFER there is a CHOICE !!!
        info s : http: //www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/blog/lists/posts/post.aspx? ID = 1150

    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 October 2014 11: 25
      +6
      And why are our people riding armor, by the way, even in winter? Right to jump faster. And here it can be done even faster. Even the driver.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 13 October 2014 12: 14
        0
        Quote: Spade
        And why are our people riding armor, by the way, even in winter? Right to jump faster.

        So at least there is a chance to survive after falling into an RPG or detonating a landmine.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 October 2014 15: 22
          +4
          Survive on armor after hitting an RPG? It is doubtful.
      2. cosmos111
        cosmos111 13 October 2014 13: 47
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        And why are our people riding armor, by the way, even in winter?


        the main thing is mine protection, and in tactical mobility, hybrid engines, mine protection, firepower ... that's it in armored cars ...


        SPEED UP TO 140 K.L. HOUR ... PERFECT VEHICLE FOR SWAT AND RDG !!!
        worked and quietly left, carrying capacity up to 3,5 tons (6x6)))

        tactical machine Supacat "Jackal4x4" and "Coyot 6x6" ...
        Supacat "Coyot 6x6" can also tow a gun !!!

        the war in Ruin, this proves that the main thing is speed, not armor ... SHOT AND DUMPED-DIDN'T USE THE METAL !!!

        "Jackal4х4"

        "Coyot 6x6"
        1. fennekRUS
          fennekRUS 13 October 2014 17: 07
          +2
          MRIs have already somehow shown the failure of the concept. For it is easy to increase a land mine, but if you increase the armor of the Humvee, Merkava will come out.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 October 2014 19: 42
            +3
            I would not say that reducing losses at times is "insolvency". However, MRAP is purely an occupation machine, their application is tied to the road network. However, it is in such conditions that they are better than armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles.
            1. fennekRUS
              fennekRUS 13 October 2014 23: 08
              +1
              nevertheless, they are looking for a replacement, and new samples are closer to the hybrid of the armored personnel carrier and the Ural "Pokemon"
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 October 2014 23: 29
                +1
                They are not looking for anything. MRAP as they were, and remain.

                But the fact that they were going to tighten the protection of their regular cars is yes.
                1. fennekRUS
                  fennekRUS 14 October 2014 08: 16
                  +1
                  I agree, my mistake in terminology. They are looking for a replacement, in the sense of the Humvee, they planned to change it, for something more armored and more "truck-like". Somewhere here and read about six months ago on the competition. I will not argue, because I am less savvy in this topic, I just agree with you.
        2. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 14 October 2014 09: 07
          +3
          Quote: cosmos111
          the war in Ruin, this proves that the main thing is speed, not armor ... SHOT AND DUMPED-DIDN'T USE THE METAL !!!


          Bravo Andrey! How much am I talking about this.
          Although local reservations from stray bullets and fragments will not hurt (motor compartment, tanks, the bottom is able to withstand a mine or IED, low or medium power.
          And everything else is better to include in the soldier’s outfit (a good helmet, tactical glasses, a bronik, shields covering the lower leg and knee, shoulder pads and elbow pads for assault or for battle in the nas.point).
          But the military machine was like a pack cart, and it remained so.
          Why bother too much?
          1. cosmos111
            cosmos111 14 October 2014 18: 24
            +1
            Quote: wanderer_032
            Although local reservations from stray bullets and fragments will not hurt (motor compartment, tanks, the bottom is able to withstand a mine or IED, low or medium power.
            And everything else is better to include in the soldier’s outfit (a good helmet, tactical glasses, a bronik, shields covering the lower leg and knee, shoulder pads and elbow pads for assault or for battle in the nas.point).
            But the military machine was like a pack cart, and it remained so.
            Why bother too much?

            100% agree with you Alexander ....
            These tactical armored vehicles have overhead doors and a roof, if necessary, can be modified ... modularity, however !!!

            modular tactical armored car .... MAV-L

          2. cosmos111
            cosmos111 14 October 2014 18: 48
            +1
            another armored car ... tactical modular platform ...

            to perform various tasks, varying degrees of booking ...

            "Flyer" from General-Dynamics
            клик


          3. cosmos111
            cosmos111 14 October 2014 18: 57
            +1
            modernized armored car ... Flyer-72, a hybrid power plant, increased mine and ballistic protection ...

            info s : http: //www.gd-ots.com/flyer_gen3.html

  5. Libra
    Libra 13 October 2014 10: 31
    -1
    hahaha on the budget door was not enough, open on all sides)
    1. iConst
      iConst 13 October 2014 12: 31
      0
      Quote: Libra
      hahaha on the budget door was not enough, open on all sides)

      During the WW2, jeeps were also without doors or doors were purely nominal. Exclusively for instantly leaving the car.

      So everything is fine here, with the exception of ... but they would ride in our frost. laughing
      1. sub307
        sub307 13 October 2014 14: 18
        0
        Exactly. Therefore, they are not going to "come to us". They will "ride" across Iraq with Afghan.
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 14 October 2014 19: 47
          0
          modern armored vehicles must also be ergonomic !!!
          and repairable, especially in the field ...

          Light (MAV-L)
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  6. spech
    spech 13 October 2014 10: 33
    0
    near elite units of other states. According to the Wall Street Journal, we are talking about the armed forces of a still unnamed Asian country

    all the same with a number of other states or one so far unnamed Asian country?
    advertising x .. if you take it.
  7. raid14
    raid14 13 October 2014 10: 36
    0
    Lightweight and maneuverable +, lack of engine and personnel protection during firing, stealth when moving-. In mountainous and wooded marshy areas only a burden.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 October 2014 11: 40
      +3
      The machine for BV and North Africa is designed.

      Remember the same American landing in northern Iraq in the second war, such a machine would not have hurt the local SSOs and paratroopers at all. Otherwise, before securing the defense of the local airfield and creating an air bridge over which the regular Humvees were thrown, they had to use either their own two or civilian wrecks bought from local Kurds for huge money.
    2. cosmos111
      cosmos111 13 October 2014 19: 03
      +1
      Quote: raid14
      engine and personnel during shelling, stealth when moving

      PROTECTION OF THE MTO IN THE FIRST PLACE !!!

      Supacat Extend patrol cars are based on the armored cargo vehicles HMT Jackal-400, HMT Coyot-600 ...

  8. Ogogoshka
    Ogogoshka 13 October 2014 11: 25
    0
    some kind of Israeli darling.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 14 October 2014 20: 01
      +1
      Quote: Ogogoshka
      some kind of Israeli darling.

      rather amerovsky ...

      tactical armored cars ... for special forces and DRGs, must be transported by helicopters, for deployment to a given area and rapid evacuation ...
  9. alex56
    alex56 13 October 2014 11: 32
    +1
    I don’t know how anyone, but I like it)))
    In my opinion, there’s nothing even as a means of increasing modularity. In this development, the main thing is speed, but it is sometimes very necessary))
    We also have a similar theater of operations - Central Asia - semi-deserts and deserts. If a brigade was created for him, then he could have come up.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 13 October 2014 19: 44
      +3
      Quote: alex56
      We also have a similar theater of operations - Central Asia - semi-deserts and deserts

      and semi-steppes of Donbass !!!
      suitable for DRG, for any region ...

      OTT Technologies (Pty) Ltd
      1. Aydar
        Aydar 14 October 2014 07: 20
        +1
        It looks like an Austrian army all-terrain vehicle Steyr.
  10. Florist
    Florist 13 October 2014 11: 56
    +2
    Pure raid machine) Conveniently mask! Cross-country speed gives a normal, in fact, more convenient version of the buggy. I wonder what weapons options will be and placement
    1. iConst
      iConst 13 October 2014 12: 38
      +2
      Quote: Florist
      Pure raid machine) Conveniently mask! Cross-country speed gives a normal, in fact, more convenient version of the buggy. I wonder what weapons options will be and placement

      Now there is a certain "fashion" for tactics of action by small highly mobile groups. Pendocs and light motorcycles are already being developed for the infantryman. And you can even climb mountains on motorcycles.

      If there are enough light but powerful hand grenade launchers equipped with a thermobaric or cumulative warhead, such a group can have a serious fire effect on an enemy with armored vehicles.
      1. Aydar
        Aydar 13 October 2014 13: 35
        +1
        Of course, add in the trunk a couple of dozen anti-tank mines, a bunch of ATGMs or grenade launchers, an automatic grenade launcher on a turret, a sniper with a Light Fifty and voila - there is a highly mobile, mobile, high-speed combat unit with very serious firepower at the output.
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  11. brdnxela
    brdnxela 13 October 2014 12: 21
    -2
    Particularly impressive is the protection of backpacks with diapers and skypikes.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 October 2014 19: 47
      +2
      Pampers in the war thing is necessary. It is not particularly pleasant to lie in a pool of your own urine.

      But this is not protection, this is so that the thing under your feet does not get confused. A very sensible decision. Smarter than stuffing this assault, and ride on the armor yourself.
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 14 October 2014 02: 25
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        But this is not protection, this is so that the thing under your feet does not get confused.


        Why? Partly, and protection. Shrapnel and bullets can either hold back partially or fully.
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  13. Aydar
    Aydar 13 October 2014 13: 29
    0
    Quote: Libra
    hahaha on the budget door was not enough, open on all sides)

    The lack of doors increases the chances of survival in the event of a mine explosion or shelling of a car. The door can jam and when the count goes on for seconds, opening the doors can cost a living. In addition, the lack of doors allows you to fire in any direction, especially if the car goes along the top of the ridge or the enemy is below.
    IMHO the car is competent, extremely functional, in military transport everything should be concise, simple and functional.
    1. blind
      blind 13 October 2014 14: 55
      0
      but what about the fact that you can hit it especially not aiming at it? or how quickly to jump out of it at a speed of 80 km / h?
    2. IS-80
      IS-80 13 October 2014 16: 09
      +1
      Quote: Aydar
      lack of doors increases the chances of survival in the event of a mine explosion or shelling of a car. The door can jam and when the count goes on for seconds, opening the doors can cost a living. In addition, the lack of doors allows you to fire in any direction, especially if the car goes along the top of the ridge or the enemy is below.


      Yes, only they are probably fastened in the absence of doors without this in any way, and this can prevent them from evacuating on time.
  14. arslan23
    arslan23 13 October 2014 14: 02
    +1
    Look at those who are sitting behind. They probably will fall off the priests after half an hour away by such a miracle)))) Type UAZ. A necessary thing by the way. But I'd rather be in a tiger with a stove and a Conder. Especially if the weather is bad and you are driving at 60 km speed. What if a sandstorm in the desert? Or stupidly a bell of dust raises? Although they probably know better what they need there. In Russia and Kazakhstan, this thing will not help.
  15. Aydar
    Aydar 13 October 2014 14: 15
    +3
    Quote: arslan23
    Look at those who are sitting behind. They probably will fall off the priests after half an hour away by such a miracle)))) Type UAZ. A necessary thing by the way. But I'd rather be in a tiger with a stove and a Conder. Especially if the weather is bad and you are driving at 60 km speed. What if a sandstorm in the desert? Or stupidly a bell of dust raises? Although they probably know better what they need there. In Russia and Kazakhstan, this thing will not help.

    Try coal from the "Tiger" enemy, warm and with Conder. And the buggy is a thing that she needs, the consumption is probably less than that of the Tiger, and the speed is higher. Such a machine is needed for special forces groups as a highly mobile vehicle or as a means of reconnaissance as part of a military escort. The sandstorm is not a hindrance, the guys in the photo were quite successful in sandstorm conditions and even used bad weather conditions and samums as cover for operations. About "frost" this is also nonsense, you can feel great in warm clothes or overalls with electric heating.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 13 October 2014 17: 07
      +3
      Quote: Aydar
      .This machine is needed for special forces groups as a highly mobile vehicle or as a reconnaissance vehicle as part of a combat guard.

      The Americans are constantly fighting somewhere, so the car was not created "from a flashlight", but based on the experience of military operations and the needs of the army. It is foolish to let go of primitive ridicule with only the experience of computer beys!
  16. sub307
    sub307 13 October 2014 14: 16
    0
    "... and dropping from a low altitude." Without a parachute system, chtoli, or still ...?
    1. Aydar
      Aydar 13 October 2014 14: 24
      0
      It is also possible from a helicopter external suspension, from such helicopters as Super Stallion or Chinook, one car inside the helicopter can "jump" from a ramp from a low height, and the second one can "unfasten" from the external suspension from the bottom.
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    3. Intsurfer
      Intsurfer 14 October 2014 09: 40
      0
      IMHO - on Martian curiosity, airborne landing systems without parachutes can be worked out. The cargo platform with jet engines on Mars worked perfectly.
  17. blind
    blind 13 October 2014 14: 45
    0
    I did not understand where exactly the armor of this machine is and how it differs in this case from the land loader Defender or from the same UAZ. was it worth it to reinvent the wheel
  18. Aydar
    Aydar 13 October 2014 15: 16
    +2
    Quote: blind
    but what about the fact that you can hit it especially not aiming at it? or how quickly to jump out of it at a speed of 80 km / h?

    on a huge coffin with the name of the BTR-80 with its anti-bullet armor, you can also "hit almost without aiming", and even jumping out of it is not a speed of 80 km / h and even more difficult, but in Russia so far there are no other "buggies" in contrast to the amerikosov apply.
    And this machine is hardly intended for direct combat, it is just a mobile and light transport vehicle and not a tank.
    1. iConst
      iConst 13 October 2014 15: 54
      0
      Quote: Aydar
      on a huge coffin with the name of the BTR-80 with its anti-bullet armor, you can also "hit almost without aiming", and it is even more difficult to jump out of it not at a speed of 80 km / h

      Yes you are right. The concept of armored personnel carriers is already significantly outdated. This technique is already of little use: only for transporting l / s over difficult terrain.
      In a battle with modern means, this target is destroyed quite easily. Even the SVD is flashing the tower. 82A is a little better. BTR 90 - as far as I know with an inhabited tower, that is no longer suitable.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 14 October 2014 19: 39
        0
        Quote: iConst
        In a battle with modern means, this target is destroyed quite easily. Even the SVD is flashing the tower. 82A is a little better. BTR 90 - as far as I know with an inhabited tower, that is no longer suitable.


        BTR, as a classic 8x8, will remain only in the VV Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB ...
        in the army, you need something more than 1. mobile 2. more secure BTR-T ...
        for transporting infantry ...
    2. IS-80
      IS-80 13 October 2014 16: 15
      +1
      Quote: Aydar
      on a huge coffin with the name of the BTR-80 with its anti-bullet armor, you can also "hit almost without aiming", and even jumping out of it is not a speed of 80 km / h and even more difficult, but in Russia so far there are no other "buggies" in contrast to the amerikosov apply.
      And this machine is hardly intended for direct combat, it is just a mobile and light transport vehicle and not a tank.


      And yet, why compare green with square?
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 13 October 2014 17: 10
        +1
        Quote: IS-80

        And yet, why compare green with square?

        Correctly! And then it begins - where is the armor, where is the weapon more powerful, where is the protection against the damaging factors of WMD ??? And as a result, everything will come to the tank!
        1. yehat
          yehat 14 October 2014 14: 59
          +1
          Quote: Bayonet
          Quote: IS-80

          And yet, why compare green with square?

          Correctly! And then it begins - where is the armor, where is the weapon more powerful, where is the protection against the damaging factors of WMD ??? And as a result, everything will come to the tank!

          noooooo!
          not enough tank smile
        2. yehat
          yehat 14 October 2014 14: 59
          0
          Quote: Bayonet
          Quote: IS-80

          And yet, why compare green with square?

          Correctly! And then it begins - where is the armor, where is the weapon more powerful, where is the protection against the damaging factors of WMD ??? And as a result, everything will come to the tank!

          noooooo!
          not enough tank smile
    3. cosmos111
      cosmos111 14 October 2014 19: 31
      +1
      "Jeep J8" patrol armored car ...
      if the automotive industry is developed like in the usa ... then the choice is huge ...

      it is a pity we, in Russia, have no such thing ... basically a monopoly that there is no GUT ...
      "Jeep J8"

  19. Florist
    Florist 13 October 2014 16: 52
    +2
    Quote: blind
    I did not understand where exactly the armor of this machine is and how it differs in this case from the land loader Defender or from the same UAZ. was it worth it to reinvent the wheel

    cross-country speed, controllability, mechanical strength and rigidity of the body (body) are different.
  20. TOR2
    TOR2 13 October 2014 17: 25
    +2
    review, speed, maneuverability are all wonderful. But if the enemy detects first, then everything will change and very much.
  21. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 13 October 2014 17: 50
    +4
    Put 9 people on unprotected mine bombings
    and from the fragments of the car - a crime.
    Buggy or motorcycle (ATV) is enough for reconnaissance
    by 2, maximum - 3 people. Special Forces - the same soldiers
    of flesh and blood, not robots.
    Want to equip special forces? - Three light buggies for 3 people.
    At least not everyone will die right away ...
    I'm afraid that this car will suffer the fate of Humvee - removal
    from production after heavy losses.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 13 October 2014 19: 52
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Put 9 people on unprotected mine bombings
      and from the fragments of the car - a crime.

      just protected from the bombings of armored vehicles ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 13 October 2014 23: 45
        +1
        Here for three people: driver, commander, shooter - the most
        nice thing. One .5 inch machine gun, one grenade launcher is enough.
        For minimal fire support for patrols and special operations.
        Run into large forces - full back, or throw the car and to the ground.
    2. IS-80
      IS-80 14 October 2014 02: 21
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Put 9 people on unprotected mine bombings
      and from the fragments of the car - a crime.
      Buggy or motorcycle (ATV) is enough for reconnaissance
      by 2, maximum - 3 people. Special Forces - the same soldiers
      of flesh and blood, not robots.
      Want to equip special forces? - Three light buggies for 3 people.
      At least not everyone will die right away ...
      I'm afraid that this car will suffer the fate of Humvee - removal
      from production after heavy losses.


      Do not be afraid not befall. smile Three buggies of three people each, this is a snap, more than twice as much iron. And yet, who is stopping you from sending this vehicle for reconnaissance, not with 9 people, but with three? This is primarily a vehicle for transporting fighters. Moreover, such that besides her alternative is only on foot. Well all of you so drawn to it in battles with tanks? laughing
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 14 October 2014 09: 23
        0
        Quote: IS-80
        Moreover, such that besides her alternative is only on foot. Well all of you so drawn to it in battles with tanks?


        By the way, in such machines, either an RPG or ATGM are installed on the entire branch or group.
        And given the development of modern optoelectronic, radar systems for aiming and pointing RPGs / ATGMs and the small dimensions of such vehicles, their high mobility and the development of medium camouflage, we can safely say that the chances of such formations fighting armored units are approximately equal, conditions of modern battle.
        Moreover, many NATO, as well as Israeli tanks have large dimensions and less mobility.
        So, someone else is a big question ...
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  23. Lone gunman
    Lone gunman 13 October 2014 18: 28
    +3
    Here's another "super light, super car" ...



    and further...



    all of them for Bell V-22 Osprey are also for helicopters - real landing vehicles - they can do it, damn it ...
  24. Jackraiden
    Jackraiden 13 October 2014 18: 37
    +1
    I wonder how appropriate are these machines in our conditions?
  25. raid14
    raid14 13 October 2014 19: 40
    +1
    Need to bring to mind. Put bulletproof glass and strengthen the engine protection with ceramic armored panels from 7.62x54 bullets with a heat-strengthened core.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 October 2014 19: 49
      0
      That is, to increase the weight of the machine? What's the point? All the same, there will be no hostilities on it
      1. raid14
        raid14 13 October 2014 19: 59
        0
        Bulletproof glass will save the life of the driver, engine protection to take the car out of a sudden firing of small arms.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 October 2014 20: 30
          +1
          With a sudden shelling, such cars leave everyone, including the driver.

          In addition, hiding behind an armored windshield and an engine, you can "take the car out of fire" only by moving towards the enemy, which is not a particularly clever decision.
          1. raid14
            raid14 13 October 2014 21: 36
            0
            only moving towards the enemy, which is not a particularly smart decision. Who is about Thomas, who is about Yeryoma, for capturing or destroying the reconnaissance group, when driving, they primarily disable the driver (with an aimed shot) and the vehicle (engine, radiator).
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 13 October 2014 21: 54
              0
              Quote: raid14
              for capturing or destroying reconnaissance groups, when driving, they primarily disable the driver (with an aimed shot)

              And who told you that there are gifted people who will fire not on board the cars, but on the forehead?
              After all, I hope that you realize that there will be at least two such machines? What will give shooting at the driver of one of them at maximum range? That's right, they dismount and swear, and according to the originals, from such an ambush, so to speak, aviation will fly.
              1. raid14
                raid14 13 October 2014 22: 09
                0
                And why not 5 or just a convoy. During an ambush, mine barriers are put up on the route and the road is shot, at a speed of over 60 the machine has lost control, at best it will leave for the ditch, you can take everyone warm. There will be no one to dismount. Check out ambush truck convoys in Afghanistan and Chechnya (Salang, Perm OMON) for general development.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 13 October 2014 23: 24
                  +2
                  Quote: raid14
                  Why not 5 or just a convoy

                  You can also five This, as far as I remember, is also "at least two" Why not one, I think, you yourself will guess.


                  Quote: raid14
                  During an ambush on the route, minefields are put up and the road is shot,

                  Cool. And a company of tanks in the bushes is hidden. Then it’s for sure without an armored windshield ...


                  Quote: raid14
                  Check out ambush truck convoys in Afghanistan and Chechnya (Salang, Perm OMON) for general development.

                  Dear, how to drive columns in such cases, I know very well, and did this in practice, and not in theory. Including in those places where the Perm OMON flew in. And here is what I, dear, I’ll tell you: where armored personnel carriers didn’t help, do you think that an armored windshield will help? Drive some game. Even tank armor will not protect against a normal ambush.

                  The passage of the columns is provided by reconnaissance, infantry, aviation and artillery. Intelligence, including engineering, checks the route. Infantry is immediately advancing behind it, which is placed in the GPs, one art. the battery is always on fire. Then the core of the column passes a safe area, the rear marching outpost, usually also from reconnaissance, removes infantry from GPs.

                  This is how the reinforced motorized rifle battalion ensures its safety.

                  Here we are talking about something completely different. These cars will never go in convoys, Americans have tens of thousands of MRAPs for this
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 13 October 2014 23: 32
            +2
            A sudden shelling is not the worst thing. Soldiers
            jump out like hares in all directions quickly. And us this
            taught, rehearsed many times.
            The worst thing is a mine under the belly. No experience will help here.
            Unprotected buggies are needed - speed and patency are in demand, but
            do not plant more than 3 people on them to reduce the number of simultaneous
            inevitable losses.
          3. IS-80
            IS-80 14 October 2014 01: 19
            0
            Quote: Spade
            With a sudden shelling, such cars leave everyone, including the driver.

            In addition, hiding behind an armored windshield and an engine, you can "take the car out of fire" only by moving towards the enemy, which is not a particularly clever decision.


            Why then have turrets installed there? If everything jumps out at once? Have you already canceled the reverse gear of the cars?
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 14 October 2014 11: 41
              0
              When shelling a car from an ambush, it is not immediately clear who is shooting and where.
              The machine gunner’s turret works for about a minute and a half blindly with a fan, covering it until everyone else has jumped down and started to make a noise. Then he jumps himself.
              In reverse, never have time to leave.
              1. IS-80
                IS-80 14 October 2014 18: 46
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                When shelling a car from an ambush, it is not immediately clear who is shooting and where.
                The machine gunner’s turret works for about a minute and a half blindly with a fan, covering it until everyone else has jumped down and started to make a noise. Then he jumps himself.
                In reverse, never have time to leave.


                Situations can be different, not necessarily an ambush, I think. The terrain can also be different. I don’t even have time to jump somewhere, but the ability to use the front quarter-sphere in different battle scenarios to protect the fighters seems to me important. And the turret machine gunner probably does not always play the role of a jumping hare. smile
      2. IS-80
        IS-80 14 October 2014 02: 02
        0
        Quote: Spade
        That is, to increase the weight of the machine? What's the point? All the same, there will be no hostilities on it


        By the way here - http://defensetech.org/2014/10/13/polaris-dagor-could-meet-armys-ultra-light-veh
        icle-need / as I understand it, they write that you can still install armor on it. Shovels, and what actions will be conducted on it? Peaceful? laughing
  26. Quadra
    Quadra 13 October 2014 20: 25
    +2
    Dear, have any of you ever used Polaris products at least once? I yes, and I can say that the machine will certainly be fast and tenacious - all the generic signs are there. So it’s definitely not the UAZ or the Vedrover, and even more so the Wolf (the army version of Gelik) - those bones and turtles on a broken country road and off-road. Patency is patency, but if you can also quickly pass through the same place, this is irreplaceable. Plus comfort - you just get out of the car with such a suspension in good shape after a whole day of driving, but after an hour and a half you do not need to fight UAZ and fight .... You can minus as much as you like, but I’m experiencing it on my own ass, not philosophizing from the couch.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 October 2014 20: 39
      +1
      It's just not ours ... We'd rather have something like the Belarusian 3T "Mosquito"

      http://www.minotor-service.com/ru/3t-omni-role-tracked-carrier.html
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 13 October 2014 22: 02
        0
        Quote: Spade
        It's just not ours ... We'd rather have something like the Belarusian 3T "Mosquito"

        on wheeled and tracked chassis ...
      2. IS-80
        IS-80 14 October 2014 02: 45
        0
        Quote: Spade
        It’s just not ours ...


        Why is it suddenly not ours?


        Quote: Spade
        We would rather have something like the Belarusian 3T "Mosquito"


        It depends on how crocodile the Mi-8 is.
  27. slovak007
    slovak007 13 October 2014 21: 00
    0
    I want this, with the inscription trophy from America
  28. Massik
    Massik 13 October 2014 22: 33
    +1
    Better to go bad than to go well. I would like to see where it creeps not along the path and stones, but along the sand dunes. The enemy’s tracks, first of all, I can’t block. The location of the landing again facing each other, it would be more logical to the other way round - there is something to hold on to and it’s convenient to observe. opposite.
    it’s almost impossible to knock them out, since there’s nothing to get into.
    There’s just something to get into the buggy, there is the whole frame design, and the motor. In a lateral projection from the bow to the stern, the front pair of wheels, the driver and the engine, almost without gaps. Armor 0, defeat of the last 2x guaranteed stop and destruction. On the forehead as in the stern, only one .50 bullet is enough and it will lower everything.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 13 October 2014 22: 45
      0
      Quote: Marssik
      Better to go bad than to go well. I would like to see where it creeps not along the path and stones, but along the sand dunes. The enemy’s tracks, first of all, I can’t block.

      well, it's better to go ... and even with comfort ...
      1. Massik
        Massik 13 October 2014 23: 16
        +1
        well, it's better to go ... and even with comfort ...
        Better to fly at all good ...
        I am interested in its off-road properties, I will drive through the landscape of the 1st in the article and your photograph in my "field" without any problems, not to mention the "Serval", "Defender" or Toyota up to 100k inclusive.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 October 2014 23: 36
          +1
          ZIBAR MK2



          Don't think worse
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 October 2014 23: 26
      +1
      Quote: Marssik
      The enemy’s tracks, first of all, I can’t block.

      The Toyota War has shown that in practice this is impossible.
      1. Massik
        Massik 14 October 2014 18: 50
        0
        On stones MK2 crawls perfectly, almost like a goose. Well, do not give banana republics as an example, because brave American seals and deltics are going to dirty the rear of a big power, and not a bombed patch of land.
  29. kplayer
    kplayer 13 October 2014 22: 59
    +1
    Special Forces - optional, they have enough light vehicles, judging by the emblems - paratroopers (82 airborne), light spacious cars with an open body are always in demand, with a capacity of 9 people. - department, platoon, 34 people - 4 cars (+ Javelin ATRA calculation), HMMWV were also used. At the end of the Kots, this is not BM, but, above all, the tr.spr-in.

    "Dune buggy" - the name itself speaks of the area of ​​their use, more open, and obviously not wooded (deserts, steppes).
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 14 October 2014 02: 34
      +1
      Quote: kplayer
      Dune buggies "- the name itself speaks of the area of ​​their use, more open, and clearly not wooded (deserts, steppes).


      Well, what does it mean not wooded? If in the forest you can drive along glades and forest roads, why not? Here, under this condition, even in the jungle of the Amazon in such cars you can ride.
  30. kplayer
    kplayer 14 October 2014 15: 47
    +1
    Read the posts above about the buggy, that was my indirect answer.
    Quote: IS-80
    Well, what does it mean not wooded? If in the forest you can drive along glades and forest roads, why not? Here, under this condition, even in the jungle of the Amazon in such cars you can ride.

    And here it is possible or not to drive (about cross-country ability) through forests, jungle? the matter is in the tactical expediency of using completely unprotected light "dune buggies" (LSV - Light Strike Vehicle, DPV - Desert Patrol Vehicle), with a low crew position (2-3 people), even natural obstacles hidden in vegetation (stumps, boulders, logs, etc.) are dangerous, tall grass is generally a "stick on two ends", i.e. - disguise, but at the same time - the danger of ambushes, because the basis in their use - speed, that's why relatively open steppes, deserts and coastal (beach) zone. But you can turn with a new conceptual proposal for their use, for example, to the US MTR, or SAS. The concept has been worked out since the 80s by the 9th motorized division and came to the MTR.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 14 October 2014 18: 58
      0
      Quote: kplayer
      And here it is possible or not to drive (about cross-country ability) through forests, jungle? the matter is in the tactical expediency of using completely unprotected light "dune buggies" (LSV - Light Strike Vehicle, DPV - Desert Patrol Vehicle), with a low crew position (2-3 people), even natural obstacles hidden in vegetation (stumps, boulders, logs, etc.), tall grass - generally a "stick of two ends", i.e. - camouflage, but at the same time - the danger of ambushes, because the basis in their use is speed, that's why the relatively open steppes, deserts and coastal (beach) zone. But you can contact with a new conceptual proposal for their use, for example, to the US MTR, or SAS. The concept has been perfected since the 80s by the 9th motorized division and came to the MTR.


      Have you noticed the first photo in the article? There, the terrain is by no means as smooth as a table. And the fact that the United States will probably use this machine in desert and steppe areas does not mean that it cannot be used in other natural conditions, I think. Desert and steppe is not always a perfectly flat surface to the horizon and beyond. The main thing here is not speed in the sense in which you apparently think, as it seems to me, i.e. fly so that the wind in your ears whistles and shoot in all directions. In principle, 30 km per hour, or even less, will be quite enough for the fighters in some cases, but it’s not enough to carry all sorts of different loads and quickly get from point A to point B.
  31. kplayer
    kplayer 14 October 2014 20: 25
    +1
    Have you noticed the first photo in the article? there are no buggies, and the article is not about them, with the exception of:
    The expert noted that “buggy” cars are very popular among the American military today, which, in fact, consist of almost one frame - it’s almost impossible to knock them out, since there’s nothing to get into.

    - last sentence of the last paragraph.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 14 October 2014 20: 59
      0
      Quote: kplayer
      Have you noticed the first photo in the article? there are no buggies, and the article is not about them, with the exception of:
      The expert noted that “buggy” cars are very popular among the American military today, which, in fact, consist of almost one frame - it’s almost impossible to knock them out, since there’s nothing to get into.
      - last sentence of the last paragraph.


      Something I did not understand then. What did you want to say?
      1. kplayer
        kplayer 15 October 2014 23: 15
        +2
        Is it not clear that DAGOR is not a "buggy"? however, like the main part (I do not agree with Khramchikhin) the fleet of auto and motorcycle transport vehicles in the US MTR, not to mention american military generally. For example, some operated MTR and SAS samples, incl. frame and open body type:
        - Land Rover Defender-90 / -110, 4x4 (+ Land Rover LRPV - Long Range Patrol Vehicle, 6x6 - Australian SAS) *;
        - GMV - Ground Mobility Vehicle, 4x4 (HMMWV);
        - IFAV - Interim Fast Attack Vehicle, 4x4 (Wolf LIV - Light Infantry Vehicle, Germany) *;
        - RSOV - Ranger Special Operations Vehicle, 4x4 (Land Rover Defender 110) *;
        - Supacat HMT (High Mobility Transporter), Jackal, 4x4 (HMT 400) and Coyote, 6x6 (HMT 600) *;
        - Supacat ATMP (All Terrain Mobility Platform), 6x6 - lightweight conveyor *;
        - motorcycles and quads *.

        * Aerotransportable inside the cargo compartments CH / MH-47 / -53.

        in the special forces units, tasks and conditions determine the medium (equipment and weapons), "dune buggies" will never participate in patrolling forests and jungles, in case of local conflicts - for sure.
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  32. romashki74
    romashki74 14 October 2014 21: 37
    0
    Quote: avt
    Let’s say a good car, I’m imagining how cool it is to dissect it at Klichforia and Miami — it will look like blacks. In principle, if in the future the summer is the same as this year, we can cut it through September.
    Campaign in Siberia-Mother are not going to fight .....
    1. Prager
      Prager 1 November 2014 17: 09
      0
      they are going to defile on this super-light car along the Champs Elysees. laughing