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Corridor to Crimea

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At the meeting in Milan, Putin and Poroshenko will affect three interrelated conditions. Gas issue, the status of Donbass and the land corridor to the Crimea. The Kremlin needs a free supply route to the Crimea. And for this he is ready to sacrifice much. Perhaps even what you donate under no circumstances. Poroshenko also has a couple of strong cards - this is a completely regrouped and ready for attack army and gas transportation system with a magic “steal-gas” valve. Therefore, there will be bargaining.

Most likely, the basic position of Moscow will look like this: recognition of Crimea as Russian, plus an unhindered corridor to it. In exchange for this gas concessions, overlapping the help of the militia. The refusal of Kiev - and "Voentorg" again earn the whole coil, and the number of "vacationers" will increase significantly. And then the corridor will still take place, but on completely different conditions.

Corridor to Crimea


But if Poroshenko gives a sham consent, then Moscow risks falling into the trap of being fooled again. On the example of Sevastopol, gas scandals and all the events of the past year, we know what all the promises of Kiev are worth. More vile and treacherous government sits except in Washington. And if we open the tutorial storiesit will become clear that any treaties with the Nazis are not worth the paper on which they are written. They will be broken at the first opportunity.

Therefore, it would be naive to believe that Poroshenko, having in his hands the two strong trumps described above, would make significant concessions. The maximum that he agrees to is some kind of “temporary corridor” which will be the same profanation as both Poroshenkov's “truces”. Wagons and cars from continental Russia to the Crimea will be mercilessly arrested, robbed, and terrorized by all possible means. Here, as they say, do not go to the grandmother. There is no stable supply route in such conditions.

Even if a miracle happens, and Poroshenko agrees on the extraterritoriality of vans, trains or even the whole road (which, incidentally, is also to be built), it will be exactly the same linden. For the extraterritoriality in Ukrainian is like this: wanted - gave, wanted - took back. The true master of his word.

Another pitfall lies in the very status of the Crimea. Crimea is considered Kiev occupied territory. The provision in such conditions of any corridor for the “Russian aggressor” for Poroshenko is a completely unthinkable matter, not to mention the recognition of Crimea as Russian. The same opinion was also voiced by the Europeans and they directly, and the Americans, who need war, will not be able to agree.

I want to note the important legal slip of the Kremlin at the very accession of the Crimea. All right, that the legitimate authorities of the peninsula held a referendum, and then declared independence and became part of Russia. But Moscow did not use its trump card, namely, Yanukovich, who until May 24 remained the legitimate president and was completely in the hands of the Russian authorities. The sequence of actions was to be as follows: the legitimate authorities of the Crimea hold a referendum and proclaim independence - the legitimate president of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych recognizes this independence by a special decree - the independent Crimea joins Russia. Maydanny invaders at that time were anyone from the point of view of the law, and the position of Russia in the eyes of third countries (not the West) would be much stronger. I do not believe in the incompetence of our diplomats, which means that we are talking about conscious betrayal. To whom thank you for this is a separate question. But Putin had to understand what kind of pig he was being laid on, and had to force Yanukovich to recognize the independence of Crimea. Alas, this was not done.

Of course, Yanukovych’s signature would convince only representatives of neutral countries. For the West, we will be bad in any case. At the same time, he himself in modern history did not disdain to recognize not only much more bloody and illegal declarations of independence (Kosovo), but also frank annexations with the genocide of the local population and the profanation of referendums (for example, forceful absorption of Western New Guinea Indonesia), followed by dragging everything this through the UN.

The current contradictions, in essence, do not have permits. They can be resolved only by the surrender of Kiev to Russia or Novorossia. Or vice versa, the complete surrender of Russia and Novorossia to the junta. But in the latter case, the Russian Maidan is becoming quite real.
The bridge to the Crimea will become a reality in 2018, if there are no traditional delays for our country. But until this happy time you have to live another four years. Yes, even he will not solve all the problems. For example, the North-Crimean channel blocked in Kherson will remain sealed. Geography itself tells the Kremlin and its owner what to do.

As I said back in March, the only iron guarantee of the land corridor will be Russian troops in the Donetsk (Republic), as well as Zaporizhzhya and Kherson regions. And even better - in Kiev. For the present knot is cut only by the sword.
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  1. Stanislav 1978
    Stanislav 1978 13 October 2014 09: 13
    +55
    army fully regrouped and ready for the offensive
    This is too much said
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 13 October 2014 09: 28
      +19
      Quote: Author Igor Kabardin
      For the present knot is cut only by the sword.


      The US and NATO are just waiting for this. Obama desperately needs a war, as Clinton at one time
      1. aleks 62
        aleks 62 13 October 2014 12: 52
        +11
        There is a sword !!!! Current Voentorg to work .... bully
      2. DRA-88
        DRA-88 13 October 2014 19: 14
        +7
        In the spring and even in the summer until September 5, Russia had a chance to end the Kaklovsky question once and for all!
        Now the President of the Russian Federation is going to negotiate with a man who a month ago the media called "bloody", "mediocre", "temporary".
        Maybe it's all in a dream?
        Nevermind, We Are Not Sleeping!
        1. DRA-88
          DRA-88 13 October 2014 19: 25
          +3
          Something like this!!!
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    3. Civil
      Civil 13 October 2014 09: 31
      +1
      As I said back in March, the only iron guarantee of the land corridor will be Russian troops in Donetsk (the republic)

      1. Then, before the imposition of sanctions, there was a window for action, but Voentorg and his employees were not ready.
      2. Now punching the corridor will cause an embargo on oil and gas.
      3. We must be able to negotiate and defend our interests.
      1. UFO
        UFO 13 October 2014 10: 11
        +14
        Quote: Civil
        2. Now punching the corridor will cause an embargo on oil and gas.

        You tell the gay people that, on the eve of winter. laughing
        1. EvgenSuslov
          EvgenSuslov 13 October 2014 21: 45
          +1
          Do not think that only we produce gas. It is, only more expensive, and winters in Europe are not as severe as ours. So if they write it off, they will sell our "gas friendship". And there will be sanctions, Iran doesn't seem to be spinning, no one is removing anything from it. So get used to it))) In general, here it is necessary to be cunning, and in Ukraine you have to impose order and not trample your feet.
      2. SHOCK.
        SHOCK. 13 October 2014 11: 10
        +12
        Quote: Civil
        2. Now punching the corridor will cause an embargo on oil and gas.

        Let's start building a bridge, it will be the same.
      3. skeket
        skeket 13 October 2014 11: 13
        +11
        Quote: Civil
        3. We must be able to negotiate and defend our interests.

        By the way, as an option, why not start backstage negotiations with Coloma. He is a man without principles, he doesn’t give a damn about the people and Ukraine, but grandmothers from direct contracts with Moscow ... It's no secret that Koloma obeys Kiev only formally, and under it the entire left bank. Well, and all the same, once there will be a clash between Poroshenko and Koloma, so why not speed it up.
        1. Ronino
          Ronino 13 October 2014 13: 15
          +17
          It is not worthwhile to negotiate with Kalomoysh, because the price of his word is zero. and here it is necessary to push him with a parasvin.
        2. matross
          matross 13 October 2014 21: 06
          +4
          Quote: skeket
          anyway, once there will be a clash between Poroshenko and Koloma, so why not speed it up.

          In general, for Russia, the only acceptable option is to provoke a civil war throughout Ukraine and then take advantage of its results, squeezing out everything necessary. Paradoxically, the Russian Federation is no less interested in this "controlled chaos" than the United States ... Mantras about "we need a stable and prosperous Ukraine, a predictable and reliable partner and blah blah blah" from the GDP and the rest of the Russian political bombs, as usually should be perceived with exactly the opposite. Nobody needs her, no ...
          1. EvgenSuslov
            EvgenSuslov 13 October 2014 21: 46
            +2
            Oh, what bloody things you are telling ... Although I understand that without a lot of blood entu problem we have to solve.
          2. Makosha
            Makosha 14 October 2014 20: 20
            +1
            Quote: matRoss
            for Russia, the only acceptable option is to provoke a civil war throughout Ukraine and then use its results, wringing out everything necessary.

            Yes, the war is going on there, and not only in the Donbass. The main thing is not to interfere with the initiative of the civilian population and to launch a full military organization. fellow
            This is only on unarmed SS with "Aydar" a rod, and on armed ones - they will not dare.
      4. Rus2012
        Rus2012 13 October 2014 13: 15
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        We must be able to negotiate and defend our interests.

        In exchange for this concession on gas, overlapping aid to the militia.


        ... to begin with, that a delay in debt payment is possible. And nothing more!

        Somewhere infa flashed that Waltzman is completely in the hands of VVP. His "friends" have merged with their heads ... What will be required will be, within the limits of Petit's capabilities, of course, given that his Yaytsa is entirely in the hands of 3,14ndosni ...
        1. matross
          matross 13 October 2014 21: 16
          0
          Quote: Rus2012
          infa flashed that Waltzman was completely in the hands of VVP. His "friends" have merged with their heads ... What will be required will be, within the limits of Petit's capabilities, of course, given that his Yaytsa is entirely in the hands of 3,14ndosni ...

          Gee-gee)) Maybe so, here he is promoting the next woodpecker from the cops to the defense ministers. Here either stupidity or betrayal ... But Petya doesn’t seem like a fool.
      5. Roman 11
        Roman 11 13 October 2014 20: 46
        0
        Quote: Civil
        Now punching the corridor will cause an embargo on oil and gas.
        And the prices will fly off to Kotsmats and hello, motor vehicles from South America, Africa, braking in other countries, the same China ........
      6. Basarev
        Basarev 15 October 2014 18: 50
        0
        Oddly enough, but the embargo on gas and oil is in our hands. Let's start getting rid of raw material addiction.
    4. aleks 62
      aleks 62 13 October 2014 12: 50
      +2
      ... As for whether it’s strong or not, it’s better to inquire on the spot (in New Russia) .... It should be remembered that a stray mongrel can bite, not bite, but just bite ..... which is also not very nice .. .. Conclusion: mongrel on the soap .... hi
    5. Giant thought
      Giant thought 13 October 2014 13: 00
      +7
      Yes, Kiev should be taken, but not to our troops, but to the militia of New Russia, then many problems will be solved very simply.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 13 October 2014 13: 37
        +6
        The article is interesting ... More precisely - the topic raised by the article ...
        The situation in Southeast Ukraine is extremely unstable. The variability of further events is multi-vector. But all options lead to dead ends. Called "Bad" and "Very bad" for the Ukrainian people.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 15 October 2014 18: 54
          0
          Theoretical question: if there is nothing left to do but to do badly, then this is no longer an act, but fate?
      2. Ulus5
        Ulus5 13 October 2014 17: 28
        +8
        Quote: Thought Giant
        Yes, Kiev must be taken, but not to our troops, but to the militia of New Russia

        The militia does not have an army, there is no single command, and there is no political leadership in New Russia. Capital won. And in the manual confusion and reeling.
        Maybe I'm wrong. Then I would like to receive answers to some questions:
        1. Why was the advance of the Army of New Russia stopped by armistice?
        2. Why attack the airport in Donetsk, if the main art forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (which hammer on the city and the airport) are in Avdeevka, Stepnoy and Sands?
        3. Why does the Slavic brigade (Motorola, Givi) not have heavy weapons? Who took it from them?
        4. Why has the military council of Novorossia still not gathered from all field commanders? (Walk the field, damn it.)
        5. Who needs urgent elections in Donetsk and Lugansk when half of their territories is occupied?
        And just do it, who benefits?
        1. saag
          saag 13 October 2014 18: 07
          +1
          Quote: Ulus5
          1. Why was the advance of the Army of New Russia stopped by armistice?

          Because suddenly in Mongolia (just like the name of the film) seven points were born in one head

          Quote: Ulus5
          2. Why attack the airport in Donetsk, if the main art forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (which hammer on the city and the airport) are in Avdeevka, Stepnoy and Sands?

          from there the fire is adjusted. besides there from mortars and when there were tanks from them they shot, and then a truce, how then to organize the taking of the above points?



          Quote: Ulus5
          3. Why does the Slavic brigade (Motorola, Givi) not have heavy weapons? Who took it from them?

          They took it by order of Zakharchenko, in general they want to destroy and compromise the Rifle brigade by and large


          Quote: Ulus5
          4. Why has the military council of Novorossia still not gathered from all field commanders? (Walk the field, damn it.)

          The field commanders have many ambitions, however, nobody wants to part with it and there is no one whom everyone would trust


          Quote: Ulus5
          5. Who needs urgent elections in Donetsk and Lugansk when half of their territories is occupied?

          This is necessary for legitimization, albeit conditional, but it is necessary that the agreements that will have to be signed are not signed by a private person, but as if someone delegated to the DPR and LPR, and the agreements are obviously "dirty"
      3. EvgenSuslov
        EvgenSuslov 13 October 2014 21: 48
        0
        For the West, Russian troops are fighting in Novorossia. So they vseravno who will take Kiev.
    6. aleks700
      aleks700 13 October 2014 14: 10
      0
      What the hell? Are they giving up en masse? Do not underestimate the enemy.
    7. mazhnikof.Niko
      mazhnikof.Niko 13 October 2014 14: 43
      +2
      Quote: Stanislav 1978
      army completely regrouped and ready for the offensive. This is too much said.


      The obvious truth: no matter how group, no matter how regroup - the Demoralized (by their own admission) and decayed Army cannot be combat-ready! And, therefore, capable of the offensive (?)!

      Ukroarmia has long lost its war!
      AMEN.
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    9. siberalt
      siberalt 13 October 2014 18: 57
      +1
      It seems that in the spring the rebels will clear the Mariupol-Odessa highway from the junta. And all that to the south will immediately go to the Federation of New Russia. Wait and see.
    10. absurdity
      absurdity 13 October 2014 19: 11
      +1
      Completely regrouped and ready, ready even better than half a year ago, especially with regard to the militia, because the militias are seriously bled by internal squabbles after the already open intervention of the oligarchic clans. Novorossiya was lent to hell with dogs, politics and money ... The substitution of our guys at the Donetsk airport at the end of May by swindler Khodakovsky was still flowering, as it turned out after Minsk.
    11. kryuger.mark
      kryuger.mark 13 October 2014 20: 38
      +2
      You can simply block the Kerch Strait, because Crimea is now ours. In this case, the port city of Mariupol becomes a ghost town. It makes no sense to defend it. The option is softer.
    12. bandabas
      bandabas 14 October 2014 08: 19
      0
      And our state will once again chew snot. It's a shame.
  2. zao74
    zao74 13 October 2014 09: 14
    +30
    The failure of Kiev - and Voentorg will again work to its fullest, and the number of vacationers will increase significantly. And then the corridor will take place anyway, but on completely different conditions. Providing in such conditions any corridor for the “Russian aggressor” is completely unthinkable for Poroshenko, not to mention the recognition of Crimea as Russian
    So why the hell to agree, we must take what we need ourselves!
    1. Podiks
      Podiks 13 October 2014 10: 35
      +21
      At the moment, there is no need to negotiate with the parasite, he will always lie and lie, after 2-3 months the situation will not change for the better in the outskirts. Winter, auto and the brainlessness of leadership will do their job. And oil is falling today, tomorrow it will grow
      1. aleks 62
        aleks 62 13 October 2014 12: 55
        +2
        .... As Zhirinovsky said, oil is everywhere, but gas ...... So there are problems with gas in the world .... And the "partners" will not go anywhere from this .... bully
    2. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 13 October 2014 12: 36
      +3
      I agree, complete nonsense. Type you need to agree, but you can take everything yourself, there is no difference. To be honest, the article is empty and meaningless.
    3. g1v2
      g1v2 13 October 2014 12: 58
      +7
      And if you take it by force it will be more expensive, the longer and cheaper? Why get into a bottle when you can do with much less loss? A bridge or tunnel to the Crimea will still be built, and even if the land route opens, a direct connection with the Krasnodar Territory will not hinder absolutely. I don’t understand the fixation on the land route to Crimea. Sanctions are already there and will be, well, that's great. Yes, prices will rise and the ruble will become cheaper, but no one will die of starvation, and the organization of its import-substituting pr-va will give jobs and taxes. Plus, sanctions are such a thing that next time will not work.
      1. saag
        saag 13 October 2014 18: 12
        0
        Quote: g1v2
        I don’t understand the fixation on the land route to Crimea

        The bridge will be built for four years, every year at the crossing this year there will be hellish hell from the queue of one and a half days, it will cease to be attractive after the second year and people will start to travel to the same Turkey, a drop in tourism business will affect Crimean residents living in the tourist industry , this in turn will affect the mood and in general T-shirts with a famous face will flicker less and less on sale
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 13 October 2014 20: 07
          +2
          Yeah, and press the type of dill floor out faster? About the mood even funnier - do you really think that from the fact that 87 percent will fall for example to 60 GDP will not sleep at night? In the coming years, his rating will in any case not fall below 60 percent, and this is enough to carry out any laws and actions. Well, the fall of the tourism industry in Crimea will be replaced by the restoration of factories, for example, and the loading of their defense orders. Yes, and I do not think that this problem will not be solved in a year or two. This year, force majeure and everything needs to be deployed from scratch, and for the fall-spring, if the problem with the crossing is not completely solved, the situation will be improved anyway. Anyway, the tourism business in Crimea will have to be modernized, improved service, invest money, etc. This year everything was whipped up, but over time everything will improve.
  3. Owl27
    Owl27 13 October 2014 09: 18
    +24
    You can’t believe their promises, they promise anything, and they will do what they need, especially all temporary workers !!!
  4. Khalmamed
    Khalmamed 13 October 2014 09: 24
    +7
    Quote: Stanislav 1978
    army fully regrouped and ready for the offensive
    This is too much said


    , I agree about the "army", but the fact that the cattle and cattle were driven there and collected takes place. There is a LIE and FALSE PEDRA PORASHENKO.
    IT WOULD BE TAKEN into the armament of "preventive strikes" Israel and even Sshastan is now bombing Toli igil Toli Toli Syria under the same guise.
  5. RUSS
    RUSS 13 October 2014 09: 26
    -16
    As I said back in March, the only iron guarantee of the land corridor will be Russian troops in the Donetsk (Republic), as well as Zaporizhzhya and Kherson regions. And even better - in Kiev. For the present knot is cut only by the sword.

    As it turns out, there are still people left - "Putin
  6. Alcoholic
    Alcoholic 13 October 2014 09: 28
    +7
    An article "nothing".
    And why right now, before supposedly some kind of business meeting?
    Nobody knows what BB is thinking about "Parashka".
    But, the fact that the perception of this upstart weakling is just like a bucket is visible to the naked eye.
    There is no need for any "corridor" to Crimea.
    On supply and so everything is within reason.
    More precisely, the supply is no worse than in the towns of Yakutia.
    Maybe the author of this opus decided to pass for clever?
    Yes, the trouble didn’t work :))
  7. Nayhas
    Nayhas 13 October 2014 09: 33
    +3
    But Moscow did not use its trump card, namely Yanukovych, who until May 24 remained the legal president and was completely in the hands of the Russian authorities. The sequence of actions was to be as follows: the legitimate authorities of Crimea hold a referendum and declare independence - the legitimate president of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych recognizes this independence by special decree - independent Crimea joins Russia.

    Nonsense. Yanukovych did not have such powers to scatter lands. Putin's right move should have been:
    1. the formation of the Ukrainian government in Crimea, headed by Yanukovych and officials who fled with him. This government calls on Russia for help;
    2. the formation of the Ukrainian liberation army in Crimea (no matter from whom, the main name), this army from the Crimea is conducting an offensive against Kiev, no one in the world would have fought against it. A legitimate president regains his power.
    3. "Grateful" Yanukovych gives Crimea to Russia in coordination with the new parliament.
    VERDICT: no war, no sanctions, Ukraine joins the Customs Union, well, "Crimean" ...
    It was a 100% option that Putin did not use because of his excessive suspiciousness. The fact that Crimea would have been Ukrainian for half a year would have changed nothing, hurrying is harmful ...
    1. UFO
      UFO 13 October 2014 10: 15
      +1
      Quote: Nayhas
      1. the formation of the Ukrainian government in Crimea, headed by Yanukovych and officials who fled with him. This government calls on Russia for help;
      2. the formation of the Ukrainian liberation army in Crimea (no matter from whom, the main name), this army from the Crimea is conducting an offensive against Kiev, no one in the world would have fought against it. A legitimate president regains his power.
      3. "Grateful" Yanukovych gives Crimea to Russia in coordination with the new parliament.
      VERDICT: no war, no sanctions, Ukraine joins the Customs Union, well, "Crimean" ...
      It was a 100% option that Putin did not use because of his excessive suspiciousness. The fact that Crimea would have been Ukrainian for half a year would have changed nothing, hurrying is harmful ...

      +100500 good But we have no experience playing the "government in exile" card. request
      1. yehat
        yehat 13 October 2014 11: 14
        +2
        Putin has an FSB education and appropriate methods.
        1. tkhonov66
          tkhonov66 13 October 2014 14: 27
          +2
          "...
          Putin has an FSB education and appropriate methods.
          ..."
          .
          - and this is completely CORRECT EDUCATION and completely CORRECT METHODS ...
          - For any other methods - USA-NATA - DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE PRINCIPLE ...
          .
          And this is MATCH!
    2. ttv-cfo
      ttv-cfo 13 October 2014 10: 47
      +12
      About the lack of authority I completely agree.
      Only the layman can reason that the president can do everything by decree.
      Changing the status of one of the regions of the country, and even more so the only autonomous entity, is possible only after making amendments to the Constitution of Ukraine, which in turn can only be changed in the form of a law (article 154 of the Constitution is Ukrainian), which must be examined by the Ukrainian Constitutional Court (article 159 of the Constitution is Ukrainian) and to be approved by at least 2/3 of the deputies (with 2/3 not of those present, but of the total) of the Verkhovna Rada.

      Conclusion: Yanukovych couldn’t exclude Crimea from Ukraine by decree, he couldn’t ... Therefore, reasoning about the betrayal of diplomats is premature and unfounded stop
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 13 October 2014 13: 21
        +1
        Quote: ttv-cfo
        could not Yanukovych by his decree expel Crimea from Ukraine, could not.

        Moreover, he could not declare martial law on the Maidan. This is because the Rada passed a law on the cessation of military measures and the return of troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs to the barracks. And in the Rada there seemed to be a constitutional majority of the Party of Regions. At least in the bloc with the Communists
    3. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 13 October 2014 11: 10
      +1
      Quote: Nayhas
      no war

      What is this? belay
      Quote: Nayhas
      the formation of the Ukrainian liberation army in Crimea (no matter from whom, the main name), this army from the Crimea conducts an offensive

      And yes
      Quote: ttv-cfo
      Only the layman can reason that the president can do everything by decree.

      In addition, in order to crank up such a scam with Yanukovych, it was not necessary to talk with giblets at all.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 13 October 2014 11: 43
        +3
        I do not agree.
        What kind of government should Yanukovych organize in Crimea? And who remained in Kiev - Parsley with Pinocchio, or what? I could not disperse the parliament, ie Radu, I could not shoot the troublemakers - well, sit in Rostov, or in Sochi - and do not dry out. Until cirrhosis is finished.
        It was impossible to transfer Crimea legally for anyone. Because it would require an all-Ukrainian plebiscite there, a referendum. At the suggestion of the Government of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. It is easy to guess the result. 2 million Crimeans and 43 million Ukrainians ... and at that time Donbass wanted only federalization as part of Ukria.
        .
        So ... everything was right. And God forbid once again. In Putin V.V.
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 13 October 2014 13: 23
          +1
          Quote: Igarr
          What kind of government should Yanukovych organize in Crimea?

          Yanukovych being on the territory of Ukraine in Crimea could collect at least someone, the main thing was to dissolve the Rada, formally, of course, but dissolve.
          What exactly could Yanukovych:
          The President of Ukraine is ex officio the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine;
          heads and forms the staff of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine;
          takes, in accordance with the law, a decision on the general or partial mobilization and imposition of martial law in Ukraine or in its individual areas in case of threat of attack, danger to the state independence of Ukraine;

          Is this really not enough?
          Quote: Igarr
          It was impossible to transfer Crimea legally for anyone. Because it would require an all-Ukrainian plebiscite there, a referendum.

          You can do anything with bayonets. And the turnout is 100% and the result you want ...
          Well, Europe would have thumped, imposed sanctions against Ukraine ... then everything would have calmed down ...
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 13 October 2014 14: 39
            0
            Quote: Nayhas
            in case of threat of attack, danger to the state independence of Ukraine;

            This is not about
            1. Nayhas
              Nayhas 13 October 2014 19: 40
              0
              Quote: Pilat2009
              This is not about

              Again, it doesn't matter. At the very least, he could disperse parliament by decree not in August, but in May. Then, on the one hand, an illegitimate parliament, which Europe could not admit, and on the other hand, a legitimate president. Europe and the United States could only beg "not to hurt" ... In this case, the participation of "peacekeeping" Russian troops, in this case, together with the "Ukrainian Armed Forces", no one in the world would have condemned anyone in the world, and if the sanctions touched anyone, then only Ukraine, but not Russia ... Russia in this case was "out of business", the president and the people of the fraternal country asked, so they helped ... Yanukovych, however, would have had sanctions because Russia is in the WTO and can provide everyone.
          2. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 13 October 2014 20: 49
            +2
            Quote: Nayhas
            Quote: Igarr
            What kind of government should Yanukovych organize in Crimea?
            Yanukovych being on the territory of Ukraine in Crimea could collect at least someone, the main thing was to dissolve the Rada, formally, of course, but dissolve.

            Janek was so "unpopular" that only in Crimea he was given the opportunity to just go to Russia. No more.
            Quote: Nayhas
            You can do anything with bayonets. And the turnout is 100% and the result you want ...
            Well, Europe would have thumped, imposed sanctions against Ukraine ... then everything would have calmed down ...

            It wouldn’t work ... No way ... I mean the creation of another Ukraine - the idea is interesting, but only hypothetical. The EU and the US followed a strict plan, consolidated.
            GDP should have been followed by the introduction of "peacekeeping forces" there after Crimea and the start of hostilities in Donbass ...
            But I have a strong suspicion that, to put it mildly, he was deceived ... Or Barroso, or someone else like Frau, having promised three boxes with a quarter ... fellow But you can't sew telephone promises to business. And when VVP tried to "remind" of what was promised, a scandal broke out about a distorted telephone conversation between Barroso and VVP.
        2. tkhonov66
          tkhonov66 13 October 2014 14: 44
          +3
          "...
          It was impossible to transfer Crimea legally for anyone.
          ..."
          .
          8-)))
          .
          On February 17, 2008, the Albanian authorities of the Autonomous Region of Kosovo and Metohija unilaterally proclaimed independence from Serbia and the creation of the Republic of Kosovo. Independence was supported by individual countries of the world.

          On October 8, 2008, at the proposal of the delegation of Serbia, the UN General Assembly asked the International Court of Justice to make an advisory opinion on this issue and answer the question: “Does the unilateral declaration of independence by the interim institutions of self-government of Kosovo comply with international law?” [1] The corresponding General Assembly resolution was supported by 77 states, 74 countries abstained and 6 voted against ...
          .
          The advisory opinion was announced on July 22, 2010 at an open meeting in the Great Hall of Justice at the Peace Palace in The Hague. The court unanimously decided that it had jurisdiction in the case, nine votes to five (judges Tomka, Koroma, Kit, Skotnikov, Bennuna) decided to issue an advisory opinion, and ten votes to four (judges Tomka, Koroma, Skotnikov, Bennuna) decided that Kosovo's declaration of independence does not violate international law ...
          .
          The court ... decided that general international law does not prohibit declarations of independence (§ 84). The court also did not find in the declaration of independence of Kosovo contradictions with the applicable special rules of international law - UN Security Council resolution No. 1244 of June 10, 1999
          .
          And THEN (!) - Putin IMMEDIATELY warned the United States that this decision would become the PRECEDENT OF INTERNATIONAL LAW: “Declarations of independence can violate domestic law, but this does not mean that there is a violation of international law,” Putin quoted the decision of the Hague court.
          “They wrote it themselves, they trumpeted the whole world, and now they are outraged ... What ?!”, Putin said.
          8-))
          .
          After all, “all actions of the Crimean people - CLEARLY (!) FIT INTO this“ instruction ”!
          .
          Why is it possible that (!) Albanians in Kosovo - Suddenly forbidden (!) Russians, Ukrainians and Tatars in the Crimea? ”, - said the President ...
          .
          Putin noted that the West makes some arguments about a “special case” regarding the situation in Crimea. “But what is the uniqueness of Crimea? Is it really just that during the conflict in Kosovo there were many casualties? And this is an argument ?! ”, the head of state asks.
          .
          “The Crimean authorities relied on the well-known Kosovo PRECEDENT, which our“ western partners ”CREATED BY THEIR OWN (!) HANDS,” Putin reminded: in a situation absolutely similar to the Crimean one, they recognized the separation of Kosovo from Serbia as legitimate, PROVING to everyone that NO CENTER PERMISSION COUNTRIES - FOR SINGLE-SIDE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE - NOT REQUIRED !!! ".
          .
          During his speech, the President of the Russian Federation also quoted the decision of the UN international court on Kosovo: “There is no general ban on the unilateral declaration of independence from the practice of the Security Council. General international law does not contain any applicable prohibition of independence. ”
          .
          so - SEPARATION OF CRIMEA FROM UKRAINE (based on the decision of the Crimean authorities)
          “IT'S FULL-NOT-FOR-CON-BUT! (based on the Kosovo precedent)
          .
          AND MAKE IT - YOURSELF ON THE NOSE (write on your forehead).
          .
          .
          So - more thoroughly learn MATCH !!
          - and decisions of "international courts", dear "Iggar" ...
          .
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 13 October 2014 18: 55
            -2
            Dear tkhonov66,
            I would be very grateful to you if you, before something and somewhere ".. hack", carefully read what the interlocutor wants to convey.
            We are talking about different things, ". CUT IT ON YOURNOSE (write on your forehead) .."
            ...
            Simply put, having studied the materiel - learn how to operate it.
            ...
            And all business.
    4. Albert1988
      Albert1988 13 October 2014 12: 37
      +1
      Quote: Nayhas
      1. the formation of the Ukrainian government in Crimea, headed by Yanukovych and officials who fled with him. This government calls on Russia for help;
      2. the formation of the Ukrainian liberation army in Crimea (no matter from whom, the main name), this army from the Crimea is conducting an offensive against Kiev, no one in the world would have fought against it. A legitimate president regains his power.
      3. "Grateful" Yanukovych gives Crimea to Russia in coordination with the new parliament.

      Something tells me that in this case the reaction of the West would be little different from the current one - they would shout about "Putin-backed bloody dictator Yanyk who unleashed a civil war against young democracy" and other nonsense. After all, we must not forget that no matter how the disconnection of Crimea from Ukraine and its annexation to Russia - I mean the referendum, or as you wrote - whoever needs to silently approve or just keep silent, and the West will still howl in a thousand mouthfuls of nonsense about "occupation", etc.
      Indeed, in essence, Crimea was one of the most important strategic goals of the West in this adventure, and Russia so quickly took them away from them. As for the neutral countries, they, I think, already understand what's what.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 13 October 2014 13: 25
        +1
        Quote: Albert1988
        Something tells me that in this case the reaction of the West would be little different from the current one - they would shout about "the bloody dictator Yanyk supported by Putin, who unleashed a civil war against young democracy" and other nonsense

        Bloody dictator strangling democracy ... so what? For many years, Lukashenko has been living and living with such a stigma ... Yanukovych has a choice either in hard drinking or in bloody dictators ...
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 13 October 2014 18: 50
          0
          Quote: Nayhas
          Bloody dictator strangling democracy ... so what?

          I just wanted to say that the result would be exactly the same, and we must remember that Yanukovych has such a rating throughout Ukraine that he was apparently immediately thrown off the board ...
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 13 October 2014 19: 55
            0
            Quote: Albert1988
            I just wanted to say that the result would be exactly the same, and we must remember that Yanukovych has such a rating throughout Ukraine that he was apparently immediately thrown off the board ...

            No. In this case, the sanctions would not concern Russia at all, only Ukraine.
            Why impose sanctions on Russia? Our only peacekeepers there, everything else is the Armed Forces of Ukraine and it doesn’t matter that under the insignia of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces would be Russian, go ahead and prove ...
            And Ukraine sanctions would only contribute to joining the CU. Winning on all fronts ...
    5. skeket
      skeket 13 October 2014 12: 58
      +3
      Quote: Nayhas
      2. the formation of the Ukrainian liberation army in Crimea (no matter from whom, the main name), this army from the Crimea is conducting an offensive against Kiev, no one in the world would have fought against it. A legitimate president regains his power.
      3. "Grateful" Yanukovych gives Crimea to Russia in coordination with the new parliament.

      Easy on paper ... All this would result in a full-fledged civil war. Galicia would have raised half of Ukraine, for Yanyk, deposed, hated by all Ukraine, wants to regain power on Russian bayonets. I think this option was worked out, but due to the extremely low popularity of Yanyk in Ukraine, even in the Crimea and the Donbass, this option was discarded.
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 13 October 2014 13: 33
        0
        "Yanukovych, by his signature under the February agreements, has actually already passed everything" (c) GDP
    6. aleks700
      aleks700 13 October 2014 14: 17
      0
      Yanukovych did not have such powers to scatter lands. Putin's right move should have been:
      1. the formation of the Ukrainian government in Crimea, headed by Yanukovych and officials who fled with him. This government calls on Russia for help;
      2. the formation of the Ukrainian liberation army in Crimea (no matter from whom, the main name), this army from the Crimea is conducting an offensive against Kiev, no one in the world would have fought against it. A legitimate president regains his power.
      3. "Grateful" Yanukovych gives Crimea to Russia in coordination with the new parliament.
      VERDICT: no war, no sanctions, Ukraine joins the Customs Union, well, "Crimean" ...
      It was 100% option which Putin did not use because of his excessive suspiciousness.
      That's right! The right move would be! Even if someone farted, he himself breathed it.
    7. mazhnikof.Niko
      mazhnikof.Niko 13 October 2014 15: 02
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      It was a 100% option that Putin did not use because of his excessive suspiciousness. The fact that Crimea would have been Ukrainian for half a year would have changed nothing, hurrying is harmful ...


      Well, "Everyone imagines himself a STRATEGY, seeing the BATTLE from the outside!"

      And, more seriously: "Strike while the iron is hot"!

      "Tomorrow, tomorrow, not today - so sloths say"!

      Choose!
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 13 October 2014 20: 07
        0
        Quote: mazhnikof.Niko

        Well, "Everyone imagines himself a STRATEGY, seeing the BATTLE from the outside!"
        And, more seriously: "Strike while the iron is hot"!

        I do not understand your sarcasm on obvious things.
        The whole world, and especially those who seized power in Kiev, were waiting for Yanukovych to appear in the Crimea, and they clearly feared this. This has been repeatedly written about. But ... Putin chose the worst option, the result of which we all observe. The corridor to the Crimea and Transnistria is not broken, instead microscopic LPR and DPR with destroyed infrastructure, Crimea without water and direct food supplies ...
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    9. Allax
      Allax 13 October 2014 22: 20
      0
      No, you better advise such options to the Junta to merge faster.
      Firstly, Why do we need to change the Crimean and Sevastopol leaders who have proved their loyalty to Yanukovych, who once betrayed us, having started fussing with the Association with the EU, and twice managed to lose power on the Maidan?
      Secondly, a couple of Pravosek gangs would again arrange a third Maidan in Crimea for Yanukovych, and at the same time would "pacify" the Crimeans, as in Odessa.
    10. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 13 October 2014 23: 51
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      Putin's right move should have been:
      1. the formation of the Ukrainian government in Crimea, headed by Yanukovych and officials who fled with him. This government calls on Russia for help;
      2. the formation of the Ukrainian liberation army in Crimea (no matter from whom, the main name), this army from the Crimea is conducting an offensive against Kiev, no one in the world would have fought against it. A legitimate president regains his power.
      3. "Grateful" Yanukovych gives Crimea to Russia in coordination with the new parliament.
      VERDICT: no war, no sanctions, Ukraine joins the Customs Union, well, "Crimean" ...

      Not an option - never ....
      If on the first point - then under Yanukovych - it would be Ukraine, since he is the president of Ukraine, even in exile, at least not. And perhaps this would be an excuse for the United States to reconsider the game of weaning Crimea in its favor - by "drowning out the Maidan" by giving guarantees "until the elections" they would have obtained Yanukovych's consent (coward).
      According to claim 2, there could be one from whom to form an army, but alas, there would not be the necessary resources, and the entire army would be laid down on Perekop — there is not much land with the mainland of Ukraine for tactical maneuver.
      According to claim 3, your definition of "Grateful Yanukovych" in itself is somehow not in the subject and does not correspond to this pretzel from the very beginning.
  8. Per se.
    Per se. 13 October 2014 09: 33
    +9
    the only iron guarantee of the land corridor will be Russian troops in Donetsk (the republic), as well as Zaporizhzhya and Kherson regions. And even better - in Kiev. For the present knot is cut only by the sword.
  9. 2sila
    2sila 13 October 2014 09: 34
    +3
    Regrouped what remains. And what remains ......
  10. bootlegger
    bootlegger 13 October 2014 09: 35
    +21
    Poroshenko cannot recognize Crimea and guarantee a corridor. Even if he wants to. He will immediately organize a new Maidan. The USA needs a constant source of anxiety for Russia in Ukraine. They will not allow stabilization of the situation.
    But Russia now needs time to neutralize Western sanctions and therefore an effective forceful solution to the problem is not yet acceptable. A new portion of sanctions would not be desirable. We must wait for the winter and the collapse of Ukrainian statehood, gradually grinding sanctions.
    I don’t think that the recognition of Crimea by Yanukovych has changed anything. It is too obvious that such concessions are only knocked out under pressure. Putin simply would not have worked so rudely.
    1. RU-Officer
      RU-Officer 13 October 2014 09: 48
      +3
      Say business good + + + + +
    2. SHOCK.
      SHOCK. 13 October 2014 11: 22
      +2
      Quote: bootlegger
      But Russia now needs time to neutralize Western sanctions, and therefore an effective forceful solution to the problem is not yet acceptable. A new portion of sanctions would not be desirable.

      What do you think, they will stop there? They will certainly press on the Crimea. Therefore, new sanctions can not be avoided.
      1. bootlegger
        bootlegger 13 October 2014 11: 38
        +2
        They would like, of course. But sanctions also apply to them. Even a simple depreciation of the ruble negatively affects the trade balance. Russia begins to look for cheaper products in China and Korea. For Germany, this is not gut.
        And winter is not far away. Gazprom can easily, for Germany, limit the supply of gas to the minimum contract. And you will not sue.
        Therefore, everything is not so simple. The Germans are still not Ukrainians. They will not freeze ears in spite.
    3. Wheel
      Wheel 13 October 2014 13: 29
      0
      Quote: bootlegger
      But Russia now needs time to neutralize Western sanctions and therefore an effective forceful solution to the problem is not yet acceptable. A new portion of sanctions would not be desirable. We must wait for the winter and the collapse of Ukrainian statehood, gradually grinding sanctions.

      And new sanctions are just around the corner.
      Time H - elections in the parliament, right after them dill and they will go to crush the militia, Russia will naturally be to blame.
      And the west will not back down. Tearing Russia apart is the only chance to prolong the agony of the "free world".
  11. 2sila
    2sila 13 October 2014 09: 42
    -1
    To be honest, I don't understand at all how something can be predicted at all. Decisions are made from the "wheels", in response to the lightning-fast changing situation. Who could think about what is now when Bolotov in a mask, from somewhere in the fields, promised syktym. And in general, at the level of the "first" there is no mind sharper, more thoughtful and faster than GDP.
    Only time will tell.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 13 October 2014 11: 11
      +3
      Quote: 2sila
      To be honest, I don't understand at all how something can be predicted at all. Decisions are made on wheels, in response to a rapidly changing situation.

      Those who are not able to predict the situation will always only take a hit, and such tactics will not lead to victory.
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 13 October 2014 13: 39
        -2
        the situation should not be predicted - the situation should be shaped by yourself. In the meantime, from our side - only babble from "Leopold the cat" ("Guys, let's live together") and unsuccessful attempts to "save the remnants of the international law system" and "not let them sweep under the rug" - Odessa, Boeing, etc. etc.
  12. Dbnz
    Dbnz 13 October 2014 09: 44
    +2
    1. The sequence of actions should be as follows: the legitimate authorities of Crimea hold a referendum and declare independence - the legitimate president of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych recognizes this independence by a special decree - independent Crimea joins Russia.
    2. It was a 100% option that Putin did not use because of his excessive suspiciousness.
    Listen, we are all so smart ... I already began to doubt the mental abilities of the GDP ... winked
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 13 October 2014 11: 52
      +2
      Yes it is wrong.
      The legitimate proclaim, the legitimate recognize ....
      Well, I would recognize Crimea - sovereignty. And Yanukovych him-the right sector with Yarosh. Parubia The militants of the Crimean Majlis.
      .
      Imagine your appendix declares independence and proclaims Peritonitis (appendicitis) to you.
      Let’s go free?
      ...
      The speed with which "peaceful, quiet, green men" were organized in Crimea speaks precisely of the foresight of such an option. By whom - our services.
      And the decision to use "peaceful, quiet, green force" was made by the President.
      And - the decision of the Federation Council of Russia - like a nail in the lid of the coffin. Indecisive.
      So ... everything was thought out, provided.
      Honor and praise for such actions.
      1. tkhonov66
        tkhonov66 13 October 2014 14: 57
        0
        "...
        So ... everything was thought out, provided.
        Honor and praise for such actions.
        ..."
        .
        - Well done, Putin!
        ALL CORRECTLY MADE !!
        8-)
    2. Wheel
      Wheel 13 October 2014 13: 43
      -1
      Quote: dbnz
      Listen, we are all so smart ... I already began to doubt the mental abilities of the GDP ...

      Yes, no one doubts his mental abilities.
      A person is certainly smart and even with extraordinary ability.
      There is another question: what is he allowed to do by those who order music.
      1. tkhonov66
        tkhonov66 13 October 2014 15: 01
        +1
        "...
        There is another question: what is he allowed to do by those who order music.
        ..."
        .
        But here - there is a THIRD (!) Question ...
        .
        and WHAT does "those who order the music" allow "those who order the music" to allow "him" what "those who order the music" allow "them" - "him" to allow?
        w /
        .
        - And the schiz - she is sneaking ...
        8-))
  13. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 13 October 2014 09: 49
    +9
    All this is muddy somehow ... But the fact that the land corridor to the Crimea is needed is definitely!
    Here is Steshin’s opinion if anyone is interested .. hi
    Dmitry Steshin

    I completely understand the simple, human, warm and objective desire of Moscow, to build on the territories occupied by the detachments of neo-communists, Orthodox-imperials, Russian nationalists, just patriots of Russia and the "Russian world" something similar to a state in a minimal approximation. The state is being built on the model of the Russian Federation, the cement is the same as there is another dumb. And what is the main thing in the state? Stability without slopes, vertical. Will it work? I do not know. But I will try to show you why all this is being done.
    Elections are conducted by very competent people. They are waiting for observers who should not observe anything bad. After that, the DPR and LPR ask for Russia and are finally accepted. If these plans are real, and in Ukraine they know about them, there will be an offensive under the elections. To disrupt them at all costs. Galatei did not want to pay any price; he was removed. Zagogulin is that in Novorossia elections will be held at all costs and will be held. And they will announce accession to the Russian Federation.
    Otherwise, Ukraine will have to fight not with the militia, but with Russia itself. Moreover, Russia will be happy to do this. But, judging by recent gestures, Poroshenko does not even come to such an option. Or the West gave him firm guarantees of intervention in the conflict, as solid as a condom with semolina, sorry moa. Mishiko can tell, Yushchenko too.

    https://www.facebook.com/dmitry.stechin/posts/6809
  14. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 13 October 2014 09: 54
    +4
    Hello! How much can you talk with PARAShenko? Its corrupt nature has long been understood! Land corridor in exchange for what? Essentially on people's lives!
  15. saag
    saag 13 October 2014 09: 58
    -2
    Yes. oil price is falling. the ruble is getting cheaper, probably against this background, land supply looks cheaper than a bridge, why not sell something on occasion
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 13 October 2014 11: 12
      +2
      Quote: saag
      land supply looks cheaper than a bridge

      Is a bridge not a land supply?
      1. saag
        saag 13 October 2014 12: 10
        -1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Is a bridge not a land supply?

        it is not there yet, and another question is when it will be with the trend of cheaper oil and a cheaper ruble, and here there is a ready-made supply infrastructure by land, only it is necessary to come to an agreement with someone, and if so, then you will soon have to wait for decisions, such peace-loving ones and so on.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 13 October 2014 13: 36
          0
          Quote: saag
          he is still out,

          The fact of the matter is that it is NOT YET. When it will be, communication with its region through its territory is much better than "land corridors" through the territory of unpredictable neighbors.
    2. zoknyay82
      zoknyay82 13 October 2014 11: 37
      +3
      Following the price of oil, the buck will also fall, which is tied to oil, so that oil does not sag much, uncles will not.
      1. Sergey Medvedev
        Sergey Medvedev 13 October 2014 11: 58
        +2
        Quote: zoknyay82
        Following the price of oil, the buck will also fall, which is tied to oil, so that oil does not sag much, uncles will not.


        In addition, when oil prices fall below $ 80 per barrel, shale gas production becomes unprofitable and the "shale revolution" begins. This means that it is possible, in the future, to supply shale gas to the EU instead of ours. I no longer know who to suspect of organizing the current drop in oil prices to $ 90. Maybe the Americans, maybe ours, maybe someone else ... what
        1. saag
          saag 13 October 2014 12: 12
          0
          Quote: Sergei Medvedev
          I don’t know who to suspect of organizing the current drop in oil prices to $ 90.

          The Americans have increased their oil production, hence the prices are
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 14 October 2014 00: 11
          0
          Quote: Sergei Medvedev
          I don’t know who to suspect of organizing the current drop in oil prices to $ 90. Maybe the Americans, maybe ours, maybe someone else ...

          It was just that supply exceeded demand .... Oil went from Libya and ISIL-controlled oil fields + America reduced its dependence on oil supplies from 60% to 25% due to shale mining ... Against this background, production is falling to a heap .... and the economy is slowing, which is pulling down energy demand.
          There is a version - that this fall in prices is a planned action directed not against Russia, but just against the United States ........
          "" "" "As for the Russian budget, according to the expert, it was drawn up based on the cost of a barrel of oil at $ 93. However, given the 25% drop in the ruble exchange rate, it turns out that the budget will be executed even if the price of a barrel of oil is $ 70." "" "" ".
          So the fall of the ruble is also part of the strategy what
  16. captain
    captain 13 October 2014 10: 02
    +9
    Prepare the Donbass for the winter and drive the Nazi troops to the Dnieper, and in the south to Odessa.
    1. UFO
      UFO 13 October 2014 10: 21
      +3
      Quote: captain
      drive Nazi troops to the Dnieper, and in the south to Odessa.

      Che that point GDP. Our oligarchs want to merge New Russia; you see, they VERY want to trade with Geyropa, drive hydrocarbons there and eat jamon. And if the database continues, there will still be problems in the form of sanctions and other dirty tricks, and the children there, and real estate and accounts, and deoffshorization will not begin in any way ..... hi
  17. brisk
    brisk 13 October 2014 10: 07
    +1
    Well Igor! Well, war again! Again, thousands and thousands of dead and crippled, without arms and legs. How good it is to speak and incline to war, when you can hope that this will not affect everything yourself, you will remain intact. I don’t know, I don’t know ... Troops are a war, this is a blood bath. There is such a thing - the party of war. This name from the Soviet and even pre-Soviet times carried a negative connotation. What can I say then to the many mothers of the murdered Russian young soldiers, many of whom will not be contract soldiers, but the most conscripts, 18 to 20 years old? And Ukrainian? With all this, not only soldiers will inevitably die, but also many thousands of civilians in these regions of Ukraine. And it is quite possible that civilians in Russia will be added. About the bridge across the Kerch Strait. Probably it is no harder to build than a bridge between the Apennine peninsula and the island of Sicily, which Italy is planning to build?
    1. Dali
      Dali 13 October 2014 12: 21
      0
      Not again, but again ... just with "nova", that is, on a new one ... already here, on the site, they wrote that Poroshenko did not intend to withdraw troops to the places of permanent deployment.

      Here's the answer - for what?

      Why does he say that their defense in three shifts is working, that hundreds of armored vehicles have been re-installed, that rotation has passed on more trained soldiers and officers, that they now have normal means of communication and control ... ??? !!!

      Are you a Ukrainian "enlightened" by the West, Mr. Svetlo?
      1. brisk
        brisk 13 October 2014 17: 41
        0
        Quote: Dali
        Are you a Ukrainian "enlightened" by the West, Mr. Svetlo?


        No. I prefer self-enlightenment to everything else.
    2. Dali
      Dali 13 October 2014 12: 21
      0
      Not again, but again ... just with "nova", that is, on a new one ... already here, on the site, they wrote that Poroshenko did not intend to withdraw troops to the places of permanent deployment.

      Here's the answer - for what?

      Why does he say that their defense in three shifts is working, that hundreds of armored vehicles have been re-installed, that rotation has passed on more trained soldiers and officers, that they now have normal means of communication and control ... ??? !!!

      Are you a Ukrainian "enlightened" by the West, Mr. Svetlo?
  18. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 13 October 2014 10: 13
    +2
    But Putin had to understand what kind of pig he was being planted, and he had to force Yanukovych to recognize the independence of Crimea. Alas, this has not been done.

    Everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing a battle from afar.
  19. parusnik
    parusnik 13 October 2014 10: 19
    +1
    Yes, there will be no land corridor .. And to merge the DPR, LPR .. consequently ensure the entry of Ukraine into the EU and NATO .. ​​To achieve this .. Europe and the United States will go for recognition of Crimea .. Russian .. and will not be asked to Ukraine. ., the main thing is closer to Russia .. tax on all sides ..
  20. pensioner
    pensioner 13 October 2014 10: 20
    +2
    Forgive me Author hi , but the title of the article is incomplete. The article should be called "There WILL BE a Corridor to Crimea!"
  21. Gray 43
    Gray 43 13 October 2014 10: 21
    +1
    It is possible to negotiate only with the legitimate authorities, and not with the rabble of the Maidan, which has everything on its mind
  22. mamont5
    mamont5 13 October 2014 10: 27
    0
    "Poroshenko also has a couple of strong cards - this is a completely regrouped and ready to attack army"

    About ukroarmiya-this is not even funny.
  23. ando_bor
    ando_bor 13 October 2014 10: 37
    +3
    Putin does not need the Donbass, neither the corridor, nor Novorossia, nor Kiev, Putin needs all of Ukraine, all without Americans, to squeeze America out, it will be possible to agree on everything.
    1. Gold dragon
      Gold dragon 13 October 2014 10: 47
      +2
      I completely agree, you need a complete reunion within the entire Russian-speaking world ...
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 13 October 2014 13: 45
        0
        But Alexander Grigorievich Lukashenko probably has a "SPECIAL" opinion on this issue
  24. Libra
    Libra 13 October 2014 10: 42
    0
    everyone see
    Quote: hohryakov066
    But Putin had to understand what kind of pig he was being planted, and he had to force Yanukovych to recognize the independence of Crimea. Alas, this has not been done.

    Everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing a battle from afar.

    Yes, neutral states and so they know that the Maidan government came in an illegal way, so there’s nothing to delve into
  25. Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 13 October 2014 10: 45
    +4
    The sequence of actions was to be as follows: the legitimate authorities of Crimea hold a referendum and declare independence - the legitimate president of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych recognizes this independence by special decree - independent Crimea joins to Russia.

    This sheer nonsense, and on several points. Moreover, nothing should be connected with the name of Yanyk and Crimea, there is a REFERENDUM - as the highest form of manifestation of will and this is enough.
  26. sergant6776
    sergant6776 13 October 2014 10: 52
    +2
    This scribble. No analysis, no clear arguments. Unprofessional Shit. ..
  27. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 13 October 2014 10: 56
    +4
    fool Delusional article. In order to get a corridor to Crimea, Putin simply could not stop the offensive towards Mariupol and the Kherson region. And then it turns out he will beg for some sort of corridor from Poros. And why, everyone exaggerate the significance of the Crimean Canal? This canal is not used for water supply to the population, but only for irrigation, and then in two three districts. And he was conceived, only for the reason that some ... in the USSR wanted to grow wheat and rice in the Crimea by cutting down vineyards.
  28. SEK
    SEK 13 October 2014 11: 08
    0
    Our troops withdraw from the border. Strelkov’s people in Zakharchenko’s basements, Mozgovoy’s people also disappear, and a powerful run over him himself. Shooters should make a statement soon.
  29. wild
    wild 13 October 2014 11: 15
    0
    Back in 1994, the Armenian director shot a cartoon truly about the current Ukraine. The ax is called.
  30. bistrov.
    bistrov. 13 October 2014 11: 29
    +1
    I don’t think that in Milan there will be talk about Crimea and its supply corridors. It is perfectly clear that today's Ukrainian Bandera-Fascist authorities will not agree to such agreements. There they will agree on the newly equipped borders of New Russia, a delimiting 30 km zone, the status of New Russia, and who will pay the Ukrainian gas debt to Russia and pre-pay for Russian gas supplies to Ukraine, since Ukraine itself is not able to pay for these deliveries. Putin decided to take a timeout, because people in Novorossia must somehow live in winter conditions, which that is, to work somewhere, otherwise these two regions will turn into a desert, and this is almost 7 (!) million people. Poroshenko is also ripe for such decisions, he needs to hold elections in a calm atmosphere and at least somehow survive the winter, and without Russian gas this is impossible and although the Ukrainian hawks sharply express their displeasure, he is forced to compromise, otherwise he will have a quick end, and hopes for a quick end to the war no, now the situation in the East is about a stalemate: neither the ukrovermaht nor the militias can attack, and neither of them has the strength or resources to do this. It’s difficult to predict from all this, but I think we will all see it soon .
  31. Kacap0003
    Kacap0003 13 October 2014 11: 32
    -10
    The Crimea was therefore transferred from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR because it was connected to it by land. And the economy, and the material and technical, and transport supply of the peninsula goes through Ukraine. And it turns out that they chopped off the Crimea, but now we do not know what to do with it: we do not know how to build a bridge, but we can cut out our neighbors and select a couple more areas for the land corridor. But not every "vacationer" will be destined to return home safe and sound, and not every deceased will be buried humanly. And the author of the article is a typical agitator: shout slogans, and let the rookies climb with bayonets on the tanks.
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 13 October 2014 11: 51
      +3
      Quote: Kacap0003
      And the author of the article is a typical agitator: shout slogans, and let the slag climb on with tanks with bayonets.

      Something you are not "into that steppe" climbed. The author expresses his assumptions about the topic of the upcoming meeting in Milan and the possibility of obtaining a "corridor" for supplying the Crimea through a treaty, and does not call for rushing "with bayonets on tanks." chopped off ", his people decided to join Russia, then this is a primordial Russian land, like the entire South-East of today's Ukraine, these lands were transferred to Ukraine as a union republic, and since it seceded from the USSR, let them return them back. Or I'm wrong?
      1. Vlad Kalyuzhny
        Vlad Kalyuzhny 14 October 2014 07: 04
        0
        Very right. The question is how to translate this truth into reality?
    2. brisk
      brisk 13 October 2014 13: 52
      0
      Quote: Kacap0003
      but we can cut out the neighbors and select a couple more areas for the land corridor


      Please answer. Why in Ukraine those who came to power in February (by self-seizure, with all my hatred for Yanukovych) additionally drove a thick scrap into the crack between different regions of Ukraine, which had already been the efforts of "Svidomo"? It was enough just to make Russian the second state language, and such colossal upheavals in Ukraine would no longer exist. The native language of their citizens! Neither Russia, nor Poland, nor Romania. Their citizens, citizens of Ukraine !!! So, did they pursue and do they pursue the goal of creating a state? Well, how can you create it if you constantly belittle at least 2% of your own citizens (and not the neighboring country)? Well, are they really such stupid people in Kiev that I understand this, but they do not?
      1. tkhonov66
        tkhonov66 13 October 2014 15: 17
        0
        "...
        Well, are there really such stupid people in Kiev that I understand this, but they do not?
        ..."
        .
        and best of all, IT is understood by the US State Department.
      2. Kacap0003
        Kacap0003 13 October 2014 15: 25
        -3
        Quote: svelto
        It was enough just to make Russian the second official language and such colossal upheavals in Ukraine would no longer be.

        If it depended on me, then I just translated all office work and education into Ukrainian. Speak whatever you want, but be kind in owning Ukrainian. It would have been 20 years and a generation would have grown up for whom Ukrainian would have been truly native, and after another generation they would have thought of it. It would be long, not productive. And so supposedly the persecution of the language (because the law did not adopt the law then) served as a cover for fueling the conflict.
        Quote: svelto
        You here please answer. Why ...
        As they say, I can’t know, they don’t report to me.
        1. brisk
          brisk 13 October 2014 17: 19
          0
          Quote: Kacap0003
          Speak whatever you want, but be kind in owning Ukrainian. It would have been 20 years and a generation had grown up for which Ukrainian would have been truly native, and after another generation they would have thought of it


          Still, at your leisure, ask how the language issue was resolved in Ireland among the Irish. Litvin V.M. (you know, probably, such a figure in Ukraine) in 2010, he joked sarcastically during his visit to Ireland "... Ukraine should not repeat your mistakes in the language issue." And now, 4 years after such a statement, it became clear - how smart and delicate were its leaders in linguistic issues in Ireland, a hundred years ago. And this despite the fact that the British were obvious enemies for all of them. And how clumsy and harmful for the people of their own country and state this approach turned out to be in Ukraine. A week ago, I asked the same question at the Lviv Forum among, so to speak, local modern, advanced and seemingly logical thinking and concerned about the state of affairs in Ukraine. In response to my lengthy and well-reasoned message (in Russian), I did not receive in response "... Moscow-speaking ... Russian zagarbnyk ... get out of Ukraine ...". However, he received nothing in return. Either they disdained at all to communicate with a citizen of Ukraine "mask.lem", or they had nothing to cover and became embarrassed. And to admit that they are wrong - pride did not allow.
      3. Kacap0003
        Kacap0003 13 October 2014 15: 25
        -1
        Quote: svelto
        It was enough just to make Russian the second official language and such colossal upheavals in Ukraine would no longer be.

        If it depended on me, then I just translated all office work and education into Ukrainian. Speak whatever you want, but be kind in owning Ukrainian. It would have been 20 years and a generation would have grown up for whom Ukrainian would have been truly native, and after another generation they would have thought of it. It would be long, not productive. And so supposedly the persecution of the language (because the law did not adopt the law then) served as a cover for fueling the conflict.
        Quote: svelto
        You here please answer. Why ...
        As they say, I can’t know, they don’t report to me.
        1. bistrov.
          bistrov. 13 October 2014 20: 25
          +1
          Quote: Kacap0003
          If it depended on me, then I just translated all office work and education into Ukrainian.

          This is called “violent Ukrainization.” It took place all 23 years in Ukraine, under Yushchenko it was stronger AND SICKER, under Yanukovych it was hidden, but did not stop for a moment. Result: Crimea separated, Donetsk, Luhansk separated, there is a civil war. got it?
        2. andj61
          andj61 13 October 2014 21: 53
          +1
          Quote: Kacap0003
          If it depended on me, then I just translated all office work and education into Ukrainian. Speak whatever you want, but be kind in owning Ukrainian.

          They did just that, which led to the war.
      4. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 14 October 2014 00: 29
        +1
        Quote: svelto
        Well, are there really such stupid people in Kiev that I understand this, but they do not?

        Not only are They stupid there, they are also on the staffing table of the US State Department. It's just that "people work" according to their functional duties - they bring down the country ....
        But this is why the citizens of this country have not yet understood this and are helping them - this is really a mystery.
        Half a pot in Kampuchea out of 7 million people destroyed 3,5 million of its fellow citizens, while the remaining 3,5 million did not begin to pinch it specifically - realizing that they would get there. In Ukraine, the majority also believe that they will not be affected and that this war concerns only the southeast of Ukraine, which they do not mind, but the boomerang thrown by the hunter back to him and returns ...
    3. pensioner
      pensioner 13 October 2014 22: 03
      +1
      Quote: Kacap0003
      not every dead person will be buried humanly.

      What I wish you from the bottom of my heart. yes Nehren am to land the earth.
  32. kotev19
    kotev19 13 October 2014 11: 35
    +1
    What concessions are you talking about to Ukraine? Winter is at hand, and everything will be decided in the first weeks of winter ... And in general, what to discuss with the ukronazi leadership when everything is clear!
    WHO SHOULD YOU DO ANYTHING? I SEE - ONLY SANCTIONS, SANCTIONS, (ANYONE UNNECESSARY) SANCTIONS ...
  33. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 13 October 2014 11: 42
    +1
    "... In exchange for that gas concessions, shutting off aid to the militia ..."
    What kind of nonsense? This is treason !!!
  34. Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 13 October 2014 11: 52
    +1
    in one, the author is right. Poroshenko is a pathologically deceitful and rotten bastard. not one of his shit .. you can’t believe a word.
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 13 October 2014 12: 01
      0
      Quote: Panikovsky
      Poroshenko is a pathologically deceitful and rotten bastard. you cannot believe any of his word.

      And no one is going to "take his word for it." Here the question is about money: money for a barrel - get gas. Understand that Russia also does not live in an airless space and is also dependent on gas consumers, and the US goal is precisely to violate the existing gas supply schemes, that is, to isolate Russia from its consumers today. gas.
  35. Roland60135.
    Roland60135. 13 October 2014 11: 53
    0
    The article is about nothing at all. Speculation and speculation. Yanukovych - the trump card of the Kremlin? It’s ridiculous. Punching a corridor is the path to a great war. Crimea needs a bridge as quickly as possible and investments in agriculture and recreational areas. The peninsula is completely self-sufficient, there is everything and gas and oil and huge groundwater reserves. There is enormous trust in the masses. We need real economic efforts and help for the first time.
  36. kompotnenado
    kompotnenado 13 October 2014 12: 00
    0
    Another vsepalshchik Putin in the military. Such analytes should not be printed in topwar. Bullshit.
  37. Silhouette
    Silhouette 13 October 2014 12: 06
    0
    The article is fiction about nothing. The situation in Novorossia must be frozen for a while - and Ukraine will not survive the winter. In the spring it will be a new country living according to the principle "Save as you can!" We must wait. Spiders in a jar do not immediately begin to gnaw each other. The survivors will grow wiser and crush the Bandera fosterlings. Then a referendum in Novorossiye regions. And no war.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 13 October 2014 13: 52
      0
      Quote: Silhouette
      Survivors grow wiser and crush Bandera fosterlings

      Will mattress covers allow? Rather, it is "Bandera's fosterlings" will crush the rest - who are "not merciless enough to the enemies of the Reikh're coming out"
  38. stas-xnumx
    stas-xnumx 13 October 2014 12: 10
    +1
    Oh brothers, and in any case, we’ll fucking drive the gas as we did before, and nobody will shut the valve ... Some talk, damn it .... And there will be all kinds of gangs ... we’ll kick and spit in our side, until the Russian boot passes again through Europe ...
  39. saag
    saag 13 October 2014 12: 18
    0
    Quote: Silhouette
    Spiders in the bank do not immediately begin to bite each other. Survivors grow wiser and crush Bandera's fosterlings. Then a referendum in the Novorossiysk regions. And no war.

    Quote: Silhouette
    fiction about nothing
  40. Wolka
    Wolka 13 October 2014 12: 25
    0
    advertisement announcement: the epic operation Donbass-3 will take place no more than this winter ... hi
  41. SAM 5
    SAM 5 13 October 2014 12: 32
    0
    Quote: Alcoholic
    An article "nothing".
    And why right now, before supposedly some kind of business meeting?
    Nobody knows what BB is thinking about "Parashka".
    But, the fact that the perception of this upstart weakling is just like a bucket is visible to the naked eye.
    There is no need for any "corridor" to Crimea.
    On supply and so everything is within reason.
    More precisely, the supply is no worse than in the towns of Yakutia.
    Maybe the author of this opus decided to pass for clever?
    Yes, the trouble didn’t work :))


    + pizza
  42. Tektor
    Tektor 13 October 2014 12: 54
    0
    In my opinion, there is no need to talk and meet with Porazhenko. Unless in the tribunal. It is necessary to prepare to block the flow of refugees from Ukraine through Belarus: let them flee to the Baltic states.
  43. AKS-U
    AKS-U 13 October 2014 12: 59
    0
    All guys, time has passed. In March, April, May, he called to the Ruin and friends, relatives and acquaintances said the same thing: "we can't wait for Russia to take us prisoner." Now they say - you have to survive somehow. IN RUSSIA ALREADY DO NOT BELIEVE. It is a pity for the loyal people in Novorossiya and throughout the Ruin, the loyal Russian-speaking people. We have lost support there, and we continue to lose. As a result, before the grin of American imperialism, we will be left alone. "Contractual" friends, such as China, India do not count. It is we who are the bone in the throat of the Americans, not they.
    Who is to blame and what to do? They will find the guilty, we always had enough switchmen. What to do? - read Chernyshevsky.
    Thanks to the "party of peace" for the non-stop war in the South-East.
  44. Kacap0003
    Kacap0003 13 October 2014 13: 05
    -2
    Quote: bistrov.
    then it is native Russian land, like the whole Southeast of today's Ukraine

    No more native Russian than native Turkish or native Tatar. And so, by your logic, both the southeast of Ukraine and the northwest of Belarus are native Russian? Or, more precisely, originally Moscow?
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 13 October 2014 22: 05
      +2
      Quote: Kacap0003
      native Russian? Or, more precisely, originally Moscow?

      Maybe not. But definitely not natively "Ukrainian". yes I will not give a lecture request -Google to the rescue wink .
  45. alicante11
    alicante11 13 October 2014 13: 06
    +2
    I beg you, the author, you calculate how much the road to Crimea will cost and how much the bridge over the Kerch Strait will cost. And at once the whole article will turn out to be an empty phrase. Well, not fools sit in the Government, and even more so not GDP. Why make him stupid by putting him in the fork of wrong decisions, ignoring the right decisions, or at least tolerant ones? You will go to the right, you will lose Novorossiya, you will go to the left, you will get it in the head from NATO. Shouldn't we go straight? Just to stay in the existing positions, to repel the offensive of the "completely regrouped" dill "armada", as has already happened twice, and with every right to create a "land corridor"? Or just wait for the dill to fall apart like a pile of rotten potatoes and then take this corridor with your bare hands?
  46. klaus16
    klaus16 13 October 2014 13: 07
    +1
    Quote: Andrew NM
    I agree, complete nonsense. Type you need to agree, but you can take everything yourself, there is no difference. To be honest, the article is empty and meaningless.

    But patriotic.
  47. aunt
    aunt 13 October 2014 13: 08
    +1
    Putin does not play one-shots, he is a master of waiting and then beating for sure. I assume that he has had all the arguments and facts for a long time about Boeing. It seems, put them out and everything will fall into place. But he gives the information dosed, first lies Ukraine and the States, then comes the fact and the refutation. The effectiveness of this approach is higher, it turns out that Ukraine and the States often lie a lot.
    As for the negotiations and all kinds of information, Putin understands perfectly well that if he merges Novorossia, his rating will be lower than Poroshenko’s, so he simply won’t be here. Some here shout-Novorossia betrayed and so on. Panicers are shot first. I would ask such citizens questions:
    1. Why are the LPR and the DPR still not together?
    2. Why was Strelkova kicked out?

    It turns out that Novorossia still needs to be sorted out inside itself. Otherwise, all the help goes to Zakharchenko, and he is still a dark man for me. There are a lot of questions to him ...
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 13 October 2014 13: 58
      +1
      An honest man (like Khodakovsky). Only - a person in the service (both). Moreover, the name of the owner of these "honest service people" is well known to everyone (Renat Leonidovich, be healthy)
      1. aunt
        aunt 13 October 2014 18: 21
        +1
        He was honest, when he resigned, as some commentators on the Internet say, they didn’t release the application, apparently he had to sign something, that he pulled away first but couldn’t leave. So we wait, his role is still unclear to me.
  48. Little Lost
    Little Lost 13 October 2014 13: 31
    +1
    If, yes, if only ... If grandfather had ...
    Let's wait for the results of the meeting. I do not think that the GDP and the Russian Foreign Ministry will give up their positions after all the strange gestures of the opposite side.
  49. UkrKiev
    UkrKiev 13 October 2014 13: 36
    +1
    Quote: bistrov.
    In the first place, Crimea was not "chopped off", its people decided to join Russia, then it is a primordial Russian land, like the entire South-East of today's Ukraine, these lands were transferred to Ukraine, as a union republic, and since it seceded from the USSR, then let will bring them back. Or I'm wrong

    You have dubious logic: the USSR has not existed for a long time, Crimea was not transferred to the Ukrainian SSR with any conditions that are now violated, the people of Crimea are a non-existent concept, and the population of Crimea has the same right to secede from Ukraine along with the territory of Crimea as the residents Chechnya (Ichkeria) to leave the RSFSR, but on the account of the native Russian land - in my opinion, the world famous Russian commander Suvorov first entered the Crimea by no means an indigenous resident, it would be very bold to call him Crimean Tatar.
    And to me, as a Ukrainian, who still has 50% of Russian blood, it’s not clear why Putin’s association of Ukraine and the EU hinders Putin and why it was necessary to start this massacre in the Donbass, I’ll say frankly - I’m perplexed by the terms: fascists, right-wingers, uk rs, many Russian comments on this site are clearly human-independent. Well, the last: I will be glad to see the Russian brothers in Kiev, but just come to visit: alive and not on tanks (in the cultural world, this is barbarism).
    1. explorer
      explorer 13 October 2014 15: 13
      0
      Quote: UkrKiev
      what prevents the Putin Association of Ukraine and the EU

      subsequent logical entry of Ukraine into NATO and new bases (obviously not vegetable ones) along the border. stop
    2. explorer
      explorer 13 October 2014 15: 13
      0
      Quote: UkrKiev
      what prevents the Putin Association of Ukraine and the EU

      subsequent logical entry of Ukraine into NATO and new bases (obviously not vegetable ones) along the border. stop
      1. UkrKiev
        UkrKiev 13 October 2014 18: 41
        -1
        Can Russia, having nuclear weapons, be afraid of NATO's eastward expansion if it already borders on a number of NATO countries or is within easy reach? Do you know the opinion of Ukrainians? Now even those who shouted “We don’t need NATO” have changed their minds to the opposite, and apparently now we will repeat the path of the Baltic states, although previously they calmly treated, for example, the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea, which has now become as vulnerable a Russian enclave as the Kaliningrad region.
    3. aunt
      aunt 13 October 2014 18: 18
      0
      the comparison of Chechnya and Crimea does not work. In Chechnya, the Russians were simply destroyed, how many were there under the USSR? How much is left? Those. there was extermination of all Russian and Russian, confiscation of the owners was killed, those who did not have time to escape and took away everything they wanted, not to mention violence and slavery. Who would look at it calmly? Not a single gun farted in Crimea. No one was killed or robbed .. Are these different situations or the same?
      If they don’t kill Donetsk-Lugansk, they would give a federation, it would be quiet and peaceful ..
      1. UkrKiev
        UkrKiev 13 October 2014 19: 32
        0
        The fact is that as there was no right for the inhabitants of Chechnya to secede from Russia (although I am not an expert on your Constitution), there was also no such right for the inhabitants of Crimea, so no one in the world recognizes the referendum in Crimea, it is an occupied territory, which be shy? Regarding the killings of Russians in Chechnya, apparently you are right, on the account of the killings of the inhabitants of Donbass - here it is necessary to share. If a Russian takes weapons and proclaims the independence of part of Russia (the same Ichkeria), they simply shoot him as a dog, they also shoot people in the Donbass, whom you call militias, and we as terrorists (such as the Basayevites in Chechnya). As for the unarmed residents of Donbass, in my opinion they suffer from war in general - civilians always die in hostilities, and not the fact that this is the work of Ukrainians: the ammunition is the same and from whom they fly - it is not written on them. Well, as for the federation - there is a legal way for this, and frankly speaking, without any hesitation - Russia pushed our people to the federation, their future is associated with the people of Donbass, although in the 90s, when the Soviet Union collapsed, they voted for an independent Ukraine, the reason is simple: they hoped that it would be better to live without Russia, and now they hope but with Russia, but the Balts do not want this, even Russian-speaking - their living standards are higher than yours, in Russia, not to mention other values, catch?
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 14 October 2014 01: 05
          0
          Dear, do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs! Yes!
          You do not give Chechnya as an example, but compare the situation in that Chechnya and present-day Ukraine !!!
          What was there at that time, what you have today - everywhere you can see the cunning, stars and stripes American muzzle. And the goal is the same - to blow up the region using the "national theme"
          That in that Chechnya (and in adjoining Georgia) there were their emissaries and other "motivated" Arabs by them, that you (and in adjoining Poland) had the same emissaries.
          The Chechen people turned on the topic brought by the Americans and began to squeeze the Russians out and, coincidentally, the Ukrainians began to crush the Russians.
          Having lost 100 thousand of its citizens (I do not say this figure somewhere), the Chechen people found their leader who works in the interests of his Chechnya by overthrowing the pro-American Maskhadovs and Dudaevs - but this process has just begun in Ukraine.
          We fought with the Chechens and made peace - it happens that sometimes the neighbors scandal. Moreover, both we and they know that the "friends" from the United States are to blame for that fight, not our peoples.
          Really, in order to understand that your trouble is in Kiev, you need to ditch 100 thousand of its citizens? Can't you find your leader who would act on the revival and prosperity of Ukraine?
          Think for yourself why the US, which is located overseas, is haunted, like Yanukovych is a corrupt official? What is it that they do not do horseradish?
          Euroassociation? Yes, the flag is in your hands - but are you needed there? Your lands, your market, your resources are needed - but you are not needed, and your industry is also with your goods. Is that what you wanted?
          And yet, give an example of at least one new European country that has joined the EU and has become industrialized? No such - do not even try.
          As for the Baltic states, this is a bad example and, which is characteristic, a star-striped sly American mug looms there too ....
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 14 October 2014 01: 34
          0
          A certain aunt who handed you livers with Nulland drove her around, as she mentioned that the US spent 5 billion dollars on the "development" of democracy in Ukraine (in fact, on the Maidan). Do you think they will not beat this gift?
          1. Prager
            Prager 1 November 2014 16: 53
            0
            beat off in full, and will remain the winner!
  50. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 13 October 2014 13: 46
    +1
    I can not agree with the author that it was worth involving Yanukovych on the issue of recognizing the reunification of Crimea. Even before escaping to Russia, as Kiev drained to the Maidan, Yanukovych's authority approached zero (asymptotically!). Therefore, the result of his involvement in the process would be, at best, the creation of materials for feuilletonists. Further, such an important call for the liberation of Left-Bank Ukraine should be supported by calculations about exactly how this is supposed to be done. Sincerely. Michael.