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France called the conditions for the transfer of Russia "Mistral"

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After the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs made a complaint on France the day before about the indecision regarding the delivery of Mistral-type helicopter carriers, the French Ambassador to Russia, Jean-Maurice Ripert, decided to justify himself. Reaper says that the decision on the transfer of Mistral to Russia depends on how the situation in Ukraine will unfold further. Logic, giving away Western rottenness ...

France called the conditions for the transfer of Russia "Mistral"


Reaper quotes news agency TASS:
We will make a decision as soon as the peaceful situation in Ukraine is restored, including the provisions of the Minsk Protocol.


When an effective cease-fire with effective control of the borders between Russia and Ukraine manifests itself, and when conditions begin to begin a political process to determine the future Constitution of Ukraine, which will guarantee the rights of the south-east of the country, then the supply issue will be resolved.


Here, it turns out, how ...

Following the logic of the French ambassador, Russia could, in response, announce that it would agree to take the Mistrals from France and refuse to receive billions of euros in penalties if ISIL ceases to exist in the Middle East and the Ebola fever completely disappears in the world. ..
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  1. Everest2014
    Everest2014 10 October 2014 18: 23
    +63
    There is such an idea that France deliberately pushes the deadlines, invents the reasons for such actions for only one reason - it does not want to face the future customers and not let the White House down with sanctions. They expect that the Russian Federation charter to listen to excuses will break the contract and everyone is happy. Maybe I'm wrong.
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 10 October 2014 18: 30
      +103
      In general, of course, Europeans have recently hit more and more. Well, the Yankees have bent them all. Shame on the geyrope.
      1. Iline
        Iline 10 October 2014 18: 48
        +104
        French Ambassador to Russia Jean-Maurice Rieper decided to make excuses.

        This shows the level of European diplomacy - the inclusion of a fool. You, morons, do not ask your thoughts about the conditions of the transfer. You are asked whether or not you will transfer your iron boxes according to the contract at the agreed time. And the answer must be unequivocal, and not engage in philosophy, you can’t get rid of sanctions and the penalty of verbiage.
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak 10 October 2014 18: 54
          +10
          Quote: Iline
          It shows the level of European diplomacy - the inclusion of a fool

          No, they’re just Frogs
          1. herruvim
            herruvim 10 October 2014 19: 14
            +38
            They expect that the Russian charter to listen to excuses will break the contract and everyone is happy.


            At this point, you are definitely mistaken, Russia in any scenario in "chocolate" will be delivered on time - well, okay, they will not be delivered on time - a big penalty, plus you will have to return the money received under the contract, it's also good, and we will give stupid excuses when we want to not give a ride, contract is contract
            1. Ronino
              Ronino 10 October 2014 19: 47
              +6
              Is it chocolate?
              Situation: they decided not to give the trough. Russia is submitting to the euro vessel, they say there is a political situation. We were able to award $ 50 to former Yukos shareholders
              1. Telakh
                Telakh 10 October 2014 20: 29
                +8
                In this vein, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs must answer that the only condition for the transfer of ordered ships to Russia is France's refusal to pay a penalty for breaking the contract and from returning the aft parts: D Well, and accordingly, if France does not deliver the order within a week, then it automatically "keeps" them for itself and is put on the counter of interest for a penalty, that way 20% per month.
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                2. 23 region
                  23 region 10 October 2014 22: 01
                  +20
                  Quote: Telakh

                  In this vein, the Foreign Ministry must answer that the only condition for the transfer of ordered ships to Russia is the refusal of France to pay a penalty for the failure of the contract and to return the feed parts

                  Hey Herods! Load "grandmothers" at the stern! We're leaving!
                  1. severniy
                    severniy 11 October 2014 19: 18
                    +1
                    decided to make excuses

                    wa hahahhh, we could have been appointed to make excuses .., I don’t think that he is such a dauun, what would he be in such a r .... climb .....
                3. APASUS
                  APASUS 12 October 2014 16: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: Telakh
                  In this vein, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs must answer that the only condition for the transfer of ordered ships to Russia is France's refusal to pay a penalty for breaking the contract and from returning the aft parts: D Well, and accordingly, if France does not deliver the order within a week, then it automatically "keeps" them for itself and is put on the counter of interest for a penalty, that way 20% per month.

                  All conditions, including the date of transfer, are stated in the contract, whatever their minister says. And while France is fully complying with the contract, in fact, moving the transfer of change to the customer under the cover of technological problems, this clause was provided for 90 days without penalties.
                  In short, no matter what the French say there, if they don’t give it in January, then write it is gone, you have to pay
              2. Moksha
                Moksha 10 October 2014 21: 52
                +3
                It’s one thing to award, another to execute this controversial decision. It’s one thing to put forward the conditions of transfer, another thing is not to fulfill the contract.
                1. siege
                  siege 12 October 2014 08: 00
                  +2
                  I didn’t read the contract, but it’s unlikely that the terms of the contract indicate the conditions of the transfer, which include the coordination of the political situation in a third country, so that the delay in transfer is a fine, the condition is mandatory, by the way, not removing the supplier’s obligation to supply the ship itself, so Indeed, in this case Russia will be in chocolate - the ship is free, that’s good :) But the conditions with Ukraine for force majeure can not be written off.
              3. Locksmith
                Locksmith 10 October 2014 22: 14
                +4
                Quote: RoninO
                Is it chocolate?

                France in Russia has a bunch of all kinds of nishtyaks, they perfectly understand what it can come around with, so this whole theater is designed for America, no more.
                1. wolf7
                  wolf7 10 October 2014 22: 41
                  +2
                  Yeah, what Auchan and Merlin are worth with their turnover, and there are also pressure points ...
              4. Onotollah
                Onotollah 11 October 2014 06: 13
                +4
                Quote: RoninO
                Situation:

                In winter frosts, an accident occurred on the gas pipeline to Europe, or service, or Ukrainians comrades stole all the gas. Quite by accident. The timing of the restoration of supplies certainly does not depend on the political situation, but France’s contractual debt is not enough to refuel the technical assistance vehicle on which the brigade leaves for the accident site to restore the gas supply. There is no policy, just the fuel is very expensive.
              5. siege
                siege 12 October 2014 07: 53
                +1
                To award? To make a decision, not to award, they had a "grenade" of the wrong system ... :)
            2. Duke
              Duke 10 October 2014 19: 49
              +9
              Russia and Europe.
            3. fennekRUS
              fennekRUS 13 October 2014 16: 22
              0
              The contract is however.
            4. nickname 1 and 2
              nickname 1 and 2 13 October 2014 16: 40
              0
              Quote: herruvim
              a contract is a contract


              Declare what you want - but fulfill the deadlines! Overdue? - pay a penalty
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          2. Per se.
            Per se. 10 October 2014 22: 10
            +10
            France called the conditions for the transfer of Russia "Mistral"
            1. Basarev
              Basarev 10 October 2014 22: 29
              +3
              That's just to find among our Miloslavsky - and everything will be normal.
          3. Locksmith
            Locksmith 10 October 2014 22: 19
            +1
            Quote: Cherdak
            No, they’re just Frogs

            Yes you are a chauvinist brother No. , Germans-kapustniki, Italians-pasta, it is strange that the Russians did not hang anything, apparently afraid, or cautious laughing
            1. Legionnaire14
              Legionnaire14 10 October 2014 23: 33
              +3
              So we are dumplings, and this is very AWESOME !!!!
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 13 October 2014 15: 54
                0
                Homeland dumplings - China. smile
              2. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 13 October 2014 15: 54
                0
                Homeland dumplings - China. smile
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        3. Duke
          Duke 10 October 2014 19: 52
          +10
          Justice Ministry asks Supreme Court to close Memorial
          10 October 2014, 19: 22
          The Ministry of Justice has filed a lawsuit with the Supreme Court to close down the All-Russian public organization Russian Historical, Educational, Charitable and Human Rights Society Memorial, an unnamed spokesman for the court's press service told RIA Novosti.

          The interlocutor of the agency said that the process was scheduled for November 13. “The statement of claim arrived at the court on September 24, the next day the court accepted it for production. The hearing will take place on November 13, ”he said.

          The court did not specify why the Justice Ministry filed a lawsuit to liquidate Memorial.

          Initially, the main goal of the Memorial movement was to preserve the memory of political repression in Russia. The agency clarifies that the International Memorial Society is conducting research, human rights and educational work. It includes 62 organizations from Russia, Belarus, Germany, Italy, France, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Ukraine.

          On September 12, the Moscow City Court rejected the complaint of the human rights center against the verdict of the Zamoskvoretsky court, which recognized it as a foreign agent. Thus, the judge confirmed the legality of the requirement of the Moscow prosecutor's office to register Memorial in the register of foreign agents. The prosecutor's office put forward the requirement to include the organization in the register after checking the activities of the human rights center at the end of March 2013.

          In court, the leadership of Memorial did not dispute the fact of foreign funding, but rejected the prosecutor’s statement about the political activities of the center.



          Read more http://rusplt.ru/news/minyust-prosit-verhovnyiy-sud-zakryit-organizatsiyu-memori
          al-216783.html
        4. sabakina
          sabakina 10 October 2014 19: 52
          +7
          I support you with all limbs! good
        5. Sergey Vl.
          Sergey Vl. 10 October 2014 20: 41
          +1
          The French can have only one condition - no conditions!
          1. Moksha
            Moksha 10 October 2014 21: 53
            +2
            Of course. All conditions are stated in the contract.
        6. krpmlws
          krpmlws 10 October 2014 23: 29
          0
          Quote: Iline
          You are asked whether or not you will transfer your iron boxes according to the contract at the agreed time.
          Let them say as much as they like, pulling time. It is necessary for the Kremlin to firmly declare the introduction of retaliatory sanctions in case of delaying the execution of the contract.
          1. Koshak
            Koshak 11 October 2014 09: 49
            +1
            Quote: krpmlws
            Let them say as much as they like, pulling time. It is necessary for the Kremlin to firmly declare the introduction of retaliatory sanctions in case of delaying the execution of the contract.

            Let them pull. As soon as the contractual date of the transfer of the trough passes, the counter is turned on and for each day of delay the euroki drops for the penalty (penalty)
            PS I think that Russia in any case will not be left behind. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation itself would have given up on these "miraculous ships" long ago, but there is an opportunity not to get trash, to cut down money from the French, and to lower the image of France as honest merchants below the plinth.
        7. ArhipenkoAndrey
          ArhipenkoAndrey 11 October 2014 07: 10
          +1
          What kind of transfers can we talk about? There is a contract and there are penalties in case of non-fulfillment of the contract, and postponement of the fulfillment, transfer conditions are all from the evil one, in this case we did not fulfill it on time, return the money and pay the penalty stipulated in the contract.
        8. ArhipenkoAndrey
          ArhipenkoAndrey 11 October 2014 07: 10
          0
          What kind of transfers can we talk about? There is a contract and there are penalties in case of non-fulfillment of the contract, and postponement of the fulfillment, transfer conditions are all from the evil one, in this case we did not fulfill it on time, return the money and pay the penalty stipulated in the contract.
        9. gav6757
          gav6757 11 October 2014 18: 49
          +3
          Following the logic of the French ambassador, Russia could, in response, announce that it would agree to take the Mistrals from France and refuse to receive billions of euros in penalties if ISIL ceases to exist in the Middle East and the Ebola fever completely disappears in the world. ..
          This is how it should be done, or even what nonsense to ascribe ... Yes, and we do not need their "Mistrals", for this money in Russia you can do better.
          In general, let them take their boats and shove them in their Gay European priests, and let them not forget about the Barako-Babanovsky hollow !!!
        10. Shishiga
          Shishiga 12 October 2014 13: 56
          0
          And the answer must be clear, and not engage in philosophy, you can’t get rid of sanctions and fine verbiage.

          This will be more accurate - the deadline will come and either drive the goods, or money with interest and moreover through the court. And this, oh, how in the future, and soon, will regurgitate the loss of reputation and good name, and who then wants to do business with them. By analogy, "who betrayed once, will betray another" (c)
      2. oenaraevskija
        oenaraevskija 10 October 2014 19: 09
        +22
        All, of course, is good. But, recently, I read a small article about Alexander III (Tsar) - THERE IS WHO NEEDS TO LEARN TO PROTECT THE INTERESTS OF RUSSIA. And officials who do not know how to do this are driven by a filthy broom. And you need to recruit PATRIOTS-PROFESSIONALS. Where to get them ????? That is the question of questions.
        1. ArhipenkoAndrey
          ArhipenkoAndrey 11 October 2014 07: 27
          +2
          In Russia there are always and have been the smartest and most honest people, only scoundrels and embezzlers like der..mo always pop up to the very top and it’s practically impossible to get through to such a cordon honest and clever, look at the thought - how many years separate lawmakers have been sitting, and if they let someone in, it’s either artists, the most stupid ones, or athletes with three classes of education and diplomas from different universities. It is necessary to change the system of power, and it is not necessary to constantly invent laws, the society will soon drown in them, and I think to collect 1 time in 4 years to resolve pressing issues.
        2. ArhipenkoAndrey
          ArhipenkoAndrey 11 October 2014 07: 27
          0
          In Russia there are always and have been the smartest and most honest people, only scoundrels and embezzlers like der..mo always pop up to the very top and it’s practically impossible to get through to such a cordon honest and clever, look at the thought - how many years separate lawmakers have been sitting, and if they let someone in, it’s either artists, the most stupid ones, or athletes with three classes of education and diplomas from different universities. It is necessary to change the system of power, and it is not necessary to constantly invent laws, the society will soon drown in them, and I think to collect 1 time in 4 years to resolve pressing issues.
      3. Wellych
        Wellych 10 October 2014 19: 16
        +9
        In general, of course, Europeans have recently hit more and more. Well, the Yankees have bent them all. Shame on the geyrope.

        Well, as it were, with their condition of armies - America, it seems, posed the question with an edge or sanctions and allied relations, or you are further on your own, face to face with Vovan, and they realized that they can’t defeat Vova, but he, without America’s help, is easy . And gritting their teeth, they cut off their genitals and went into recession in exchange for a roof.
        The states did the same trick with Japan, and what should she do if China somehow looks at her unkindly and the army is imprisoned for self-defense only.

        This is not a war between Russia and the United States, this is a war of the Western world, losing its hegemony and the rising east, the shifts of large tectonic plates, on the outpost of which is Russia.
        1. Dmitry Toderes
          Dmitry Toderes 13 October 2014 00: 39
          0
          Quote: Wellych
          In general, of course, Europeans have recently hit more and more. Well, the Yankees have bent them all. Shame on the geyrope.

          Well, as it were, with their condition of armies - America, it seems, posed the question with an edge or sanctions and allied relations, or you are further on your own, face to face with Vovan, and they realized that they can’t defeat Vova, but he, without America’s help, is easy . And gritting their teeth, they cut off their genitals and went into recession in exchange for a roof.
          The states did the same trick with Japan, and what should she do if China somehow looks at her unkindly and the army is imprisoned for self-defense only.

          This is not a war between Russia and the United States, this is a war of the Western world, losing its hegemony and the rising east, the shifts of large tectonic plates, on the outpost of which is Russia.


          Japan has self-defense just by the efforts of the United States. If the Americans didn’t hold occupying forces on its territory (40000 men), then it (Japan) would now have its own good army.
          IMHO. hi
      4. dyremar 66
        dyremar 66 10 October 2014 19: 22
        +1
        stsukiny paddles greedy and stupid
      5. Balamyt
        Balamyt 10 October 2014 20: 57
        +4
        Well the Yankees bent them all.

        Open your eyes! They bent for a long time, but now they pulled it up, by the very tomatoes! And in Europe, damn it, it seems like it! wassat
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 10 October 2014 21: 00
          +1
          Quote: Balamyt
          And in Europe, damn it, it seems like it! wassat


          Apparently, yes. Europe has changed orientation of assetpolitical participant in passiveobserver.
      6. Cynic
        Cynic 11 October 2014 10: 23
        +1
        Quote: subbtin.725
        Well the Yankees bent them all.

        Judging by the situation, these are just the top of Europe, and not ours, the SGA and are kept on a short leash, in a strict collar!
        Quote: subbtin.725
        Shame on the geyrope.

        Let me disagree, the shame here is Europe, and as for Geyropa, hmm, she’s not used to it, this is, in fact, her constant position _ In the slant!
      7. sergkar
        sergkar 11 October 2014 16: 01
        0
        Quote: subbtin.725
        Well the Yankees bent them all.Shame on Geyrope.

        That's just geyrope, "bend over" for happiness! hi
      8. gorge1945
        gorge1945 11 October 2014 17: 11
        0
        Gentlemen, why be surprised that pragmatic and thinking European politicians have left the political arena and their place is occupied by inappropriate personalities.
    2. jjj
      jjj 10 October 2014 18: 31
      +17
      And at this time, at the Chistopol watch factory, the counter is being last tested, which will calculate the penalty
    3. USSR 1971
      USSR 1971 10 October 2014 18: 42
      +63
      1.Mistrals leave to the French (Obama).
      2. Feed can also be left, overhead costs can be taken from Serdyukov’s personal pocket.
      3. The laying of the necessary vessels for money forfeited by the forfeit shall be carried out in Sevastopol, thereby ensuring the work of the shipbuilders of the Crimea.
      4. To deal with the French when they become President Marie Lipen, and then only in the field of winemaking and perfume.
      5. The ships built in Crimea should be called "Kutuzov" and "Borodino".
      1. 73bor
        73bor 10 October 2014 19: 06
        +6
        The thoughts of this political clown to the contract for the supply of ships have nothing in common, if they intend to change the contract, you can arrange a demarche after the delay in transferring the ships to withdraw all crews from St. Nazaire, after which you can start a trial and demand money for the French side not to fulfill the contract - and what here to escalate !?
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      3. Ronino
        Ronino 10 October 2014 19: 48
        0
        Point 5 put in the first place! Definitely!
      4. Lopatov
        Lopatov 10 October 2014 21: 34
        +3
        Feed is already French. They bought it.

        As for Serdyukov, he was not the initiator of the deal. So the questions are either to Medvedev or to the National Leader. It was at their level that the decision was made. By the way, the same picture with the Italian "Iveco LMV"

        And, of course, with the AW 139 helicopter, produced in Russia and being a direct competitor of the Kamovskaya "Kasatka"
      5. lukke
        lukke 10 October 2014 21: 59
        +2
        5. The ships built in Crimea should be called "Kutuzov" and "Borodino".

        "Mikhail Kutuzov" has long been a museum-ship at the seaport in Novoross), so I propose to replace the name with "BEREZINA"
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        2. 23 region
          23 region 10 October 2014 23: 51
          0
          Quote: lukke
          5. The ships built in Crimea should be called "Kutuzov" and "Borodino".

          "Mikhail Kutuzov" has long been a museum-ship at the seaport in Novoross), so I propose to replace the name with "BEREZINA"

          BIRCH is cooler. This is for the French, like STALINGRAD for the Germans or TsUSIMA for us.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 11 October 2014 17: 26
            +1
            Quote: Region 23
            or Tsushima for us.

            Tsushima, not everything was so unequivocal there. In fact, Tsushima was approached from a purely ideological standpoint.
            In fact, of all the ships, only 4 battleships surrendered, the rest fought as ordered.
            However, Varyag and Koreets (which few people remember about) remained in my memory, so the cowardice of several ship commanders (4 battleships, 1 destroyer) of the Russian squadron discredited the feat of many, because only _
            killed and drowned 209 officers, 75 conductors, 4761 lower ranks, a total of 5045 people.

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      7. kingnothing
        kingnothing 11 October 2014 09: 44
        0
        For "Kutuzov" and "Borodino" - a special THANKS!
      8. yehat
        yehat 12 October 2014 16: 39
        0
        and I would cooperate with South Korea. order the lead ship there, and the series is already in Sevastopol.
        1. aleks 62
          aleks 62 13 October 2014 17: 20
          0
          .... And where did you find the shipbuilding plant in Sevastopol ???? There is only a ship repair ..... And these are two big differences .... hi
    4. Juborg
      Juborg 10 October 2014 18: 45
      +6
      What is there to think and guess is a contract, with the agreed terms and conditions, as well as force majeure. If contractual obligations are not fulfilled, penalties. The longer the product is not delivered, the higher their percentage, as a result, even if the French side transfers the ships, they will be sanctioned by any penalty, given that, theoretically, the power plant did not reach the agreed capacity, the fine was about 22 million euros ( read somewhere, but no link!). So let's calculate the penalty.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 10 October 2014 19: 59
        +5
        I would like to read what is said about force majeure? What if Ebola is registered?
    5. pilot8878
      pilot8878 10 October 2014 19: 09
      +2
      Quote: article author
      Russia could, in response, announce that it would agree to take the Mistral from France and refuse to receive billions of euros for forfeit if ISIS ceases to exist in the Middle East and Ebola fever completely disappears.

      That would be the most beautiful move!
    6. g1v2
      g1v2 10 October 2014 19: 12
      +6
      Franks lose anyway. And we win anyway. Option 2.
      If they give us the ships, then they get the money, their reputation as a reliable seller of weapons is unchanged and new contracts from the Russian Federation are possible, as we don’t have shipyards and a decision may be made to give the Franks a tasty contract. But in this case, they are raking off a bunch of problems from mattresses, since they will not tolerate such disobedience from the NATO country. There may be sanctions against banks or non-admission to military contracts of French firms. Well, we get ships for which the confrontation between France and the United States is paid.
      If they don’t give up the ships, then the reputation of the Franks in the arms market goes down the drain, and the chances of arms contracts outside the Western world are diminished. Ships go for scrap, a huge forfeit of the Russian Federation, problems with trade unions and a serious blow to the country's reputation, internal political problems are possible. Relations with amers are being restored, maybe even some kind of contract will be thrown to them.
      We get money, the project is already with us, trained personnel and crews too, we can begin to change their project for our purposes and then build our own ship, which will be changed so that the Franks cannot sue. But, and this is a fact - we will get the finished ships in a year by 2020. Moreover, a decision may be made to abandon the construction site, but we beat off any money and get the technology.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 10 October 2014 20: 02
        +4
        Quote: g1v2
        We already have the project, trained personnel and crews, too, we can begin to change their project for our purposes and then build our own ship, which will be changed so that the Franks cannot sue.

        Of course, I was not a shipbuilder, but just a former mechanical engineer, and I was only a passenger on cruises at sea, so if I carry nonsense, do not blame me.
        "Mistral" and so it is built from sections, and the stern was made in St. Petersburg. And what if another section was inserted between the bow and stern, with a place in the under-deck space for another lift and ... a dozen MIG-29Ks? To the nose, where there is a blunt cut, weld a springboard, and it will turn out ... Well, let's call it "aircraft carrier UDC", purely so that it can walk through the Bosphorus, where aircraft carriers, as you know, are not allowed. Certainly not Nimitz, but it can already be compared with the Chinese former Varyag, and MIGs will be useful both for air cover of the squadron in the ocean, and for covering, if not support, landing.
        Perhaps the French, making the project, had this in mind, not for nothing that the superstructure is shifted to the side. After all, do not care for helicopters if there is a through deck.
        1. Juborg
          Juborg 10 October 2014 21: 57
          +5
          As an engineer, respected Nagant, you should know such a thing as sapromat. It’s just him that everything rests against, plus on aircraft carriers some kind of special stabilizer for pitching, plus the power plant will not pull, her navel will stupidly untie to drag such a weight (it’s already at the limit, it gives 18 knots, with an average Russian of 28 knots!) and such "BUT!", typed up to x ......
          An aircraft carrier is a different type of ship. We are still a power, and not "walk the field" in a jump, weld iron on a garden wheelbarrow and say that it is a tank. By the way, I am a doctor, but once I helped my friends to deal with this beast sapromat, for which he was awarded a great party, as I recall, my head still hurts (just kidding!).
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 10 October 2014 22: 48
            +2
            I agree . I am a design engineer by design, although not a military industrial complex, but the juborg answered correctly. Although the design is modular, such a large-scale addition requires a complete change of design. But this is not the point - the ship has a purpose and goals for which it is designed, this addition will not strengthen the ship in terms of its application. Of course, you can create it, but it will be a mixture of a bulldog with a rhino - as it will be weaker, and in the quality of even a light aircraft carrier it will be completely absent. The modern project has a clear area of ​​application - landing, humanitarian operations, control of the coastline or islands, headquarters ship, medical ship. But in fact it is a mobile base with which we can conduct local operations and adjust to where a force cover is required. For example, we can fit it to the shores of Syria and provide protection for Tartus or protect a mining zone, for example, etc. This ship is primarily for local operations and is not designed to counter a serious enemy.
            1. ADK57
              ADK57 11 October 2014 00: 06
              +5
              This is a ship for local operations against a weak enemy in warm seas in fine weather.
              France has all the interests in Africa. And we have?
              This amphibious self-propelled barge of low seaworthiness. It will scour much on the course. Movers are not suitable for swimming even in broken ice. For this reason, our Finnish neighbors refused propeller-steering columns back in the 80s.
              A strong wind aboard with such windage is a real tragedy.
              Only full pri ..ki could wish our fleet such a "vessel".
              1. sand
                sand 13 October 2014 13: 24
                +1
                Quote: ADK57
                Movers are not suitable for swimming even in broken ice. For this reason, our Finnish neighbors in the 80s abandoned the screw-steering columns.

                Vessels with such engines on the NSR go to Dudinka. So the engines are all right there.
          2. begemot20091
            begemot20091 11 October 2014 06: 48
            0
            Quote: juborg
            You, as an engineer, respected Nagan, should know such a thing as sapromat.


            To this day, I help students-future doctors, but for a medical student to help a technician in "sapromat" (resistance of materials), you first discovered it for me.
            But there is something, maybe, in this: "What do you call a ship ....."
            "Mistral" - gives something, I beg your pardon, female medical (menstruatio).
            Of course, the "extra" hardware will not hurt, tk. it takes time to build its own analogue, but the "iron" that only floats (and even then in southern latitudes) is already beginning to smell bad, reminding of its parent (Serdyukov) with undying wisdom: shit does not sink.
            1. Juborg
              Juborg 11 October 2014 13: 52
              +1
              Well, a little flood dear begemot20091, and the information is "0". What are you talking about? If at the beginning about me, then I was not born the same doctor, spitting on physics, mathematics, etc. And the object itself (resistance of materials) is very interesting. And I think if the students had more time (hours) to study this subject, then I think there were much more thinking and real engineers (and not security guards with engineering education). As for the floating iron, I will say this, it is more of a policy than an acquisition. Although "G" should work, for example, the same mattress covers, decommissioned and used scrap metal, manage to sell as weapons to fourth countries (Ukraine is among them). And advice, in addition to flooding, the commentary should carry semantic information. Good luck to you.
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 11 October 2014 17: 46
                0
                Quote: juborg
                , and the information is "0".

                Why
                Forum member begemot20091 He said quite a lot and quite frankly, if you didn’t get into it, you have problems with the analysis of information.
                hi
            2. Cynic
              Cynic 11 October 2014 17: 51
              0
              Quote: begemot20091
              Of course, "extra" hardware will not hurt

              There, most likely, it’s not about gland , but in combat systems of ships.
              There, however, a very curious condition on the delivery of these systems was found out _ They will be delivered only when ordering 4 Mistrals!
              So, our non-delivery of Mistral can also be lowered by brakes.
              bully
          3. kompotnenado
            kompotnenado 11 October 2014 12: 35
            0
            Sopromat is the resistance of materials.
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            1. Cynic
              Cynic 11 October 2014 17: 40
              0
              Quote: Old Shoe
              what to write all the same with

              Hmm, how many law enforcement defenders sopromat found, suddenly.
              But who of you speaks as he writes this word? In life, all studios they say sApromat, etc.
              A person wrote as he heard and remembered, so we will be cast out?
              1. AlexVas44
                AlexVas44 11 October 2014 19: 47
                0
                Quote: Cynic
                A person wrote as he heard and remembered, so we will be cast out?


                This is not just a person who somehow heard something, but had the honor to provide assistance on this subject. You can only imagine this help on sApromatom.
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 11 October 2014 20: 39
                  0
                  Quote: AlexVas44
                  but had the honor of assisting in this subject

                  I think he didn’t help his friends analyze the name of this discipline.
                  hi
          5. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 12 October 2014 14: 29
            0
            from sopromat or party headache? by the way, the head cannot hurt, it’s a bone! (these are not my words, but Kozma Prutkova, so if you’re wrong, forgive my colleague! laughing )
      2. Steel loli
        Steel loli 10 October 2014 23: 05
        0
        And if they don’t give anything away, they keep money for themselves, sell ready-made NATO ships for freshly printed bucks (as the United States wanted), and then they take something out of their wide trousers and with this something they carry over the lips of one "Evil Empire" oppressing the European Outskirts?

        What then? Suing in western courts? So the courts are for them. It remains only to sit in the corner and cry.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 11 October 2014 20: 43
          0
          Quote: Steel Loli
          sell finished ships of NATO

          Yes no money from NATO and the SGA on these ships, parliamentarians do not give them presses!
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    7. mamont5
      mamont5 10 October 2014 19: 18
      +6
      Quote: everest2014
      There is such an idea that France deliberately pushes the deadlines, invents the reasons for such actions for only one reason - it does not want to face the future customers and not let the White House down with sanctions. They expect that the Russian Federation charter to listen to excuses will break the contract and everyone is happy. Maybe I'm wrong.


      They are, of course, stupid, but not enough to wait for Russia to break the contract itself. Most likely time is wasting in the hope that somehow everything itself will be decided. This is in the spirit of the limp and indecisive Hollande.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 10 October 2014 19: 52
        +2
        Quote: mamont5
        Quote: everest2014
        There is such an idea that France deliberately pushes the deadlines, invents the reasons for such actions for only one reason - it does not want to face the future customers and not let the White House down with sanctions. They expect that the Russian Federation charter to listen to excuses will break the contract and everyone is happy. Maybe I'm wrong.


        They are, of course, stupid, but not enough to wait for Russia to break the contract itself. Most likely time is wasting in the hope that somehow everything itself will be decided. This is in the spirit of the limp and indecisive Hollande.

        Well, where it is not necessary, for example, in supporting the requirements of LGBT perverts (site rules do not allow more suitable words), he is even decisive ...
    8. Giant thought
      Giant thought 10 October 2014 19: 22
      +5
      Oh, we don’t need your Mistral, gentlemen of the French, you just return the money to us with a forfeit, and that’s all, we will peacefully disperse.
      1. fedorovith
        fedorovith 10 October 2014 20: 44
        +1
        gentlemen, the French are not solvers, they decide for them outside the puddle, and they no longer know who to turn around backwards.
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    10. pahom54
      pahom54 10 October 2014 19: 39
      +1
      Quote: everest2014
      They expect that the Russian charter to listen to excuses will break the contract and everyone is happy


      Most likely, they are experiencing the patience of Russia ... If we send them tries ourselves, then we won’t receive penalty lards ... That’s what these lousy play ...
      Oh, Serdyuk-bastard, and you dragged the whole country into a moronic story !!!
      1. Silkway0026
        Silkway0026 10 October 2014 20: 06
        +3
        This is not a moronic, but just a wonderful story! We have a chance to kick the ass off all this Western rag-tag in the face of an incompetent France. The whole world will see that they crap themselves not of their own free will, but under the compulsion of the United States. As Sikorsky said there: "We suck from the Americans, like the last fraer"
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    12. sandrmur76
      sandrmur76 10 October 2014 20: 04
      +1
      In this truce, militias, and civilians should die irresponsibly for the Mistrals? Why did they rattle us! am The paddling trees were no different from the herd called ec.
    13. Turkestan
      Turkestan 10 October 2014 20: 09
      0
      [i] There is such a thought that France deliberately pushes the deadlines [i]

      Yes, but the contract defines specific terms. And then comes INSTABILITY
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    15. siberalt
      siberalt 10 October 2014 20: 10
      +1
      All conditions are written in the counter. Want to play someone else's politics? Yes, they are already losing.
    16. jovanni
      jovanni 10 October 2014 20: 10
      +4
      It seems that France intended to just throw Russia. Neither ships nor attendants. For some reason, they believe that this can be done with us. It’s really interesting what way of disappointment the GDP will choose ...
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      2. 23 region
        23 region 10 October 2014 23: 57
        0
        Quote: Jovanni
        It seems that France intended to just throw Russia. Neither ships nor attendants. For some reason, they believe that this can be done with us. It’s really interesting what way of disappointment the GDP will choose ...

        I hope the most perverted
    17. Tersky
      Tersky 10 October 2014 20: 58
      +3
      Quote: everest2014
      There is such an idea that France deliberately pushes the deadlines, invents the reasons for such actions for only one reason - it does not want to face the future customers and not let the White House down with sanctions.

      François Hollande surpassed even Tony Blair as the most obedient American poodle in Europe. After long resisting American pressure and being fined for it, he suddenly decided to surrender and postpone the delivery of French Mistrals to Russia. However, the United States will not only fail to return the $ 9 billion that was drawn from Paribas, but now Russia will also impose an astronomical fine on France for breaking the contract. Only a slow-witted person will not be able to think that this is a double blow for Hollande .... Refusal to supply Russia with helicopter carriers of the Mistral type may cost it the reputation of a reliable military-industrial partner and a huge penalty from 3 to 10 lard ... Colleague, hi !

    18. Blondy
      Blondy 10 October 2014 21: 20
      +1
      In fact, the terms and conditions are stipulated by the contract. You can, of course, create visibility with advanced conditions, but up to certain limits. And then - pay a penalty. You don’t have much to show off or are left without money and with a bunch of scrap metal, which will also require money to maintain. It is enough to recall the Russian crews after the expiration of the contract and after half a year or a year it will be cheaper, probably, to build a new one than to repair the old one.
    19. APASUS
      APASUS 10 October 2014 21: 27
      +3
      Quote: everest2014
      There is such an idea that France deliberately pushes the deadlines, invents the reasons for such actions for only one reason - it does not want to face the future customers and not let the White House down with sanctions. They expect that the Russian Federation charter to listen to excuses will break the contract and everyone is happy. Maybe I'm wrong.

      They simply simply do not want to get involved in monetary problems thanks to the United States, which will affect the economy and, of course, domestic politics, which will practically put an end to the career of half of the current French politicians.
      And the transfer transfer was framed as technological problems that were stipulated by the contract, without financial sanctions. But the problems should be resolved in 90 days, that is, before the new year.
      In fact, this is a delay of the guillotine, because peace in Ukraine will not come in the near future and the sanctions were an object completely unrelated to Ukraine, it just so successfully coincided. But finding the reason for the sanctions in Russia will not be a problem, we don’t like fagots for example ... .........
    20. avdkrd
      avdkrd 10 October 2014 21: 41
      0
      Quote: everest2014
      They expect that the Russian charter to listen to excuses will break the contract and everyone is happy. Maybe I'm wrong.

      The termination of the contract by Russia in any case should be based on the clauses of this contract. The blame for breaking the contract lies with the party that has not fulfilled its obligations - these are legal norms. It will be very difficult for France to save face in this situation and it all depends on how deeply the French are ready to do sexual acts for the State Department. Apparently go to the maximum.
    21. Moksha
      Moksha 10 October 2014 21: 50
      0
      I think the small box will open simply: Isk-Mistral in Russia.
    22. wolf7
      wolf7 10 October 2014 22: 37
      +1
      And what about excuses and breaking the contract of the Russian Federation? There is a contract and prescribed delivery dates, there are penalties for violation of obligations under them, and even face to face, even to slurry - no one will be interested in this, it’s quite problematic to sit on two stools.
    23. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 11 October 2014 00: 30
      0
      Quote: everest2014
      There is such an idea that France deliberately pushes the deadlines, invents the reasons for such actions for only one reason - it does not want to face the future customers and not let the White House down with sanctions. They expect that the Russian Federation charter to listen to excuses will break the contract and everyone is happy. Maybe I'm wrong.

      You are not mistaken. More or less like this. But Russia has a real chance to force France, which is trying to climb the tree and not prick it, but tear it up. If we don't need these Mistrals. They will pay a penalty and shit before the whole world. This requires what the Kremlin is now doing - "peacemaking."
    24. Sibom
      Sibom 11 October 2014 07: 14
      0
      Everything is much simpler, in the spring the USA caught one French bank on the "HOOK" for large "MACHINATIONS" on the stock exchange. The bank faces a PENALTY, from 8 to 10 billion euros, and a penalty for MISTRALS up to 3 billion euros. Simple ARITHMETIC, better to pay 3 than 8. And Ukraine is a "GOOD REASON" to NOT FULFILL THE CONTRACT!
    25. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 October 2014 08: 13
      0
      Quote: everest2014
      They expect that the Russian charter to listen to excuses will break the contract and everyone is happy.

      extremely controversial
      the first in the mistral is part of the nodes collected in the Russian Federation for the money of the Russian Federation and it is not clear why Russia should give them
      the second in the contract is probably a clause on unilateral unjustified break and on penalties for it
      third, why is it necessary at all in case of a delay in the transmission of the mistral, France pays fines, and for every day of the delay, Russia does not burn, and you can wait, if it is good to wait, it will turn out to be an anecdotal situation when the French also pay extra for the RF to mistralize
    26. diesel
      diesel 11 October 2014 18: 52
      0
      THINKING NEEDED WHEN ORDERED.
    27. gray
      gray 12 October 2014 11: 45
      +1
      It’s not so. Whoever says that there are deadlines for the delivery of ships prescribed in the contract and if one of the parties violates the terms of the contract, please be kind enough to answer. We must talk more strictly with them and we must make it clear that we were not the first to start. Enough rhetoric is enough, it's time to show that we have something to answer and even have something to pull you to the answer, your own laws. This is my personal opinion and I do not impose it on anyone.
    28. derik1970
      derik1970 12 October 2014 21: 45
      0
      definitely ... do not go to a fortuneteller ...
    29. GSH-18
      GSH-18 13 October 2014 11: 49
      0
      French Ambassador to Russia Jean-Maurice Rieper decided to make excuses. Reaper says that the decision to transfer the Mistral to Russia depends on how the situation in Ukraine unfolds.

      For some reason, Western politicians believe that they can in their lengthy explanations about anti-Russian sanctions and what Russia needs to do to cancel them, not to go into details and specifics, to get off with double-digit and vague phrases, which give a large field for interpretation by Western media request It is not always clear whether they do it on purpose, or whether their professional level is so "high"! lol
  2. fly fishing
    fly fishing 10 October 2014 18: 24
    +6
    The last ambassador logic in the article is the most logical!
    Here, it turns out, how ...
    1. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 10 October 2014 23: 01
      +2
      The French, in fact, have two weeks left, so if you take in large quantities either feed and not at the rack or ships and a chance not to get on the head when the time comes, as they say we write everything down and remember who and where we are trying to shit, and who cleans up after itself. wink
  3. Federal
    Federal 10 October 2014 18: 25
    +14
    Take your "Mistrals" for yourself, give the money only with a penalty, and you can give money for the stern. This will be the most severe sanction for my dear RUSSIA.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 10 October 2014 18: 42
      +13
      Quote: Federal
      Take your Mistrals for yourself, give back the money only with a forfeit,

      Absolutely accurate definition!
      It is necessary to raise a tough question: the transfer of Mistral on time or the payment of a penalty. And they won’t pay, so it will be the same with the French - a moratorium on the payment of debts, and they probably exist, to financial institutions under French jurisdiction.
      Among other things, one should not be riddled with illusions that the West will slowly come to terms.
      America fights to maintain its dominance in the world, therefore it is necessary to tie it to globalization, i.e. move away from the dollar (for starters, at least let us pay for our export goods in rubles, then only in rubles, buy it, buy from our Central Bank).
      We ourselves only buy high-tech means of production in the West. They will not sell directly, so through third countries.
      And let them grub and junk themselves. Do not die, China manufactory and computers will help for now.
      And some especially ardent ones should be "omitted". For example, all airlines can fly through our airspace, but American ones cannot!
      To block the Baltic border for the transport of goods. To threaten those countries that will deploy, for example, nuclear defense landmines on the border ... And the thing will go, people will be drawn to a reasonable solution - live in your own geyropa yourself, but don’t bother us.
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 10 October 2014 19: 59
      +1
      Quote: Federal
      Take your Mistrals for yourself, give back the money only with a penalty, and you can give money for the stern ...

      Money (compensation) for the poop cannot be given (let not the last people in the cold think for a present), but it is necessary, we will definitely assign its price, the poop should be very expensive.
  4. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 10 October 2014 18: 25
    +6
    Following the logic of the French ambassador, Russia could, in response, announce that it would agree to take the Mistrals from France and refuse to receive billions of euros in penalties if ISIL ceases to exist in the Middle East and the Ebola fever completely disappears in the world. ..


    Not quite right. It would be more correct to poke France on the situation in Mali. wassat
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 10 October 2014 18: 30
      +5
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      It would be more correct to poke France on the situation in Mali

      It doesn’t work out, in Mali they’ll get over everyone and half the population does not even know what it is request
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 10 October 2014 20: 04
        +1
        Quote: Ruslan67
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        It would be more correct to poke France on the situation in Mali

        It doesn’t work out, in Mali they’ll get over everyone and half the population does not even know what it is request

        And what do we care if they remember Mali or don’t remember? They’ll immediately remember (in the extreme, they will learn geography).
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 10 October 2014 20: 08
          +2
          Quote: PENZYAC
          What do we care

          Quote: PENZYAC
          They’ll immediately remember.

          and impose more wassat Wrong card request Now, if you set the ecologists at the cosmodrome in Guiana or something about the oppressed Papuans in Tahiti winked
        2. 23 region
          23 region 11 October 2014 00: 08
          0
          Quote: PENZYAC
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          It would be more correct to poke France on the situation in Mali

          It doesn’t work out, in Mali they’ll get over everyone and half the population does not even know what it is request

          And what do we care if they remember Mali or don’t remember? They’ll immediately remember (in the extreme, they will learn geography).

          MALI - BALI! THINKING * LYAT !!!
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 10 October 2014 18: 37
      +4
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Not quite right. It would be more correct to poke France on the situation in Mali. wassat

      Better yet - poke into the situation in Libya, the whole mess in the kotra unfolded just from the filing of France. Moreover, the participation of the French armed forces in the Libyan war was direct and open.

      When an effective ceasefire with effective border control between Libya and its neighbors manifests itself, and when the conditions arise for the beginning of the political process to determine the future Constitution of Libya, which will guarantee the rights of the population of certain regions of the country, then the issue of gas supplies will be decided.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 10 October 2014 20: 08
        0
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Not quite right. It would be more correct to poke France on the situation in Mali. wassat

        Better yet - poke into the situation in Libya, the whole mess in the kotra unfolded just from the filing of France. Moreover, the participation of the French armed forces in the Libyan war was direct and open.

        When an effective ceasefire with effective border control between Libya and its neighbors manifests itself, and when the conditions arise for the beginning of the political process to determine the future Constitution of Libya, which will guarantee the rights of the population of certain regions of the country, then the issue of gas supplies will be decided.

        Well done, in my opinion, 100% hit. The analogy is almost complete, you can’t imagine a better way.
  5. corn
    corn 10 October 2014 18: 26
    +4
    Everything can be said, but there are deadlines for the execution of the contract (they are not far off) and responsibility for failure to meet deadlines, and if this is not in the contract or is poorly spelled out, then we are suckers.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 10 October 2014 20: 10
      0
      Quote: corn
      Everything can be said, but there are deadlines for the execution of the contract (they are not far off) and responsibility for failure to meet deadlines, and if this is not in the contract or is poorly spelled out, then we are suckers.

      Do not worry, everything you need is there, the agreement was not a sucker.
  6. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 10 October 2014 18: 26
    +1
    We will make a decision as ...

    And when you, monsieur, will, on occasion, decide to pay forfeits and fines?
    This should be first of all thought.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 10 October 2014 20: 14
      0
      Quote: Hedgehog
      We will make a decision as ...

      And when you, monsieur, will, on occasion, decide to pay forfeits and fines?
      This should be first of all thought.

      Let those who finance his party think. It’s unlikely that he personally can help him to be re-elected for the next term, but he can pull his party to the bottom.
      Marie Le Pen can rub her hands ...
  7. s30461
    s30461 10 October 2014 18: 26
    +5
    Well, I don’t want to lose money ... And at the same time, the United States will not let go just like that ...
    How, I’m sorry, a corrupt woman: give, not give ...
    Again the ox is pulled by the udder. Ugh. And D. Artagnans pretend to play nobility. Not even say ss.ut.
  8. Altona
    Altona 10 October 2014 18: 27
    +8
    The creatures are fucked up ... They confuse the warm with the salty, the contract is not a decree for them? Can we gas and other contracts, too, it is somehow exotic to interpret and link with the position of the stars in the sky?
    1. serega73
      serega73 10 October 2014 19: 27
      0
      And this is their typical behavior .. To confuse concluded contracts with politics. Back in the Union, whatever complications arose between us and Europe, ours did not violate obligations for the supply of raw materials (I understand that the money was needed), and the Europeans stopped supplying large-diameter pipes that were not produced in our country .. So, everything is like usually - "confuse warm with salty".
  9. MEHT
    MEHT 10 October 2014 18: 27
    +2
    But what about failure to comply with the delivery time, or such a trifle will not hit the image? Yes, all potential partners of France have already realized what kind of rot it is.
  10. Styx
    Styx 10 October 2014 18: 27
    +2
    Honestly, well, these frogs are already sick of it, even if they already choke on these pelvis, there will be something to catch toads in the swamps
    1. maximus
      maximus 10 October 2014 19: 27
      0
      Quote: Styx
      Honestly, well, these frogs are already sick of it, even if they already choke on these pelvis, there will be something to catch toads in the swamps

      On the Mistral warship, built according to French military standards, ours do not yet know what to do with the alcohol bar, casino and brothel.
      1. ADK57
        ADK57 11 October 2014 16: 06
        0
        How "what to do"?
        Send there the skirt headquarters of Serdyukov with him at the head for partial compensation of the loot. And then for 2 years nothing has been heard about the trial of criminals.
        Hero of Russia Serdyuk sits under state guard, one of him ... in a responsible position in the Russian Railways, Vasilyeva became the heroine of an art exhibition (a kind of lapushka under house-arrest similar to a resort).
        It seems that someone puts everything on the brakes.
        And where is justice and the inevitability of punishment?
  11. Artyom
    Artyom 10 October 2014 18: 27
    +1
    Russia can make good money on this, the day of delay is one million euros bully
  12. Magic archer
    Magic archer 10 October 2014 18: 28
    +5
    Yes, they will give Mistral. Already very greedy French. It will be too expensive to pay a penalty. Moreover, today there was news about the construction of landing boats for the Mistral.
    1. Victor R
      Victor R 10 October 2014 19: 34
      +2
      Yes, they went n ah with their galoshes !!! Grandmas on the table !!! At the conclusion of the contract, the layout was not tested for wave resistance. Our seafarers in the process of mastering the ships were preoccupied with poor stability even with a small wave. Ours do not put the ship on the slipway without testing the layout. Serdyukov is another black ball in ... (optional).
  13. Azazel
    Azazel 10 October 2014 18: 28
    +2
    why not start demanding money back ???
    1. Steel loli
      Steel loli 10 October 2014 23: 14
      +1
      That is why under the contract the party who broke the contract unilaterally refuses the money, but the French did not.
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  14. Prutkov
    Prutkov 10 October 2014 18: 28
    +6
    "When the hands on the clock show midnight, then ..." Storytellers, b ... ling.
  15. Belarus
    Belarus 10 October 2014 18: 28
    +3
    As small children these French authorities would say directly that they want and prick but the owner does not order to give the order.
    But they correctly wrote in comments that for the French it would be an ideal way out if the Russian Federation itself broke the contract and then they wouldn’t have to pay anything.
  16. meriem1
    meriem1 10 October 2014 18: 29
    +3
    How is it? It seems that the contract has CONDITIONS to which the situation in Ukraine has nothing to do! As soon as the "X" hour comes, you just need to demand either ships or money. Violation of the contract completely gives us the right to completely abandon the mistrals as a result of the violation of the contract by the opposite party. Nefig pull! It's time to bang your fist.
  17. Dezinto
    Dezinto 10 October 2014 18: 30
    +11
    MISTRALS Mistral Mistral France terms of transfer, Conditions, negotiations, sell - NO! - do not sell

    ... although it can be sold, but buy it? Yes? No, you do not sell byak .... MISTAAAAAALI - New

    conditions!!!!!

    sell not sell sell not sell sell not sell sell not sell belay

    Very very tired of this .... me.

    Yes choke on them yourself! Give money, lick jo..u Obama and ride. !!!
  18. alekc73
    alekc73 10 October 2014 18: 33
    +5
    Let Serdyukov be ridiculed by hiccups. French ships, Italian armored vehicles. A bunch of money to nowhere.
  19. Loner_53
    Loner_53 10 October 2014 18: 35
    0
    It is time to send collectors in blue berets. Then there will be both the Mistral and the Babos smile
  20. roman72-452
    roman72-452 10 October 2014 18: 36
    +1
    Quote: everest2014
    There is such an idea that France deliberately pushes the deadlines, invents the reasons for such actions for only one reason - it does not want to face the future customers and not let the White House down with sanctions. They expect that the Russian Federation charter to listen to excuses will break the contract and everyone is happy. Maybe I'm wrong.

    You are not mistaken. Here from the Fontanka the information http://www.fontanka.ru/2014/10/10/134/ pulls time just so that the contract is not violated and the owners of the overseas are not angry. Article minus, the information is distorted to say the least.
  21. cosmos132
    cosmos132 10 October 2014 18: 38
    +1
    Only tough Russian policy will do away with all this sabotage and lawlessness.
    Stop wiping the snot.
  22. novel68rus
    novel68rus 10 October 2014 18: 38
    +1
    the shame of France, which is afraid to even pull without the knowledge of the states ... there are sixes of sixes ..
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 10 October 2014 19: 11
      +3
      Quote: novel68rus
      shame france

      Shame on Russia that it cannot build a pair of the same longboats.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 10 October 2014 20: 31
        +1
        Quote: sergey261180
        Quote: novel68rus
        shame france

        Shame on Russia that it cannot build a pair of the same longboats.

        Do not confuse Russia with "stool" ones! am
        What makes you think that Russia cannot? request fool
        The selling "5th column" does not give - it does not mean that we ourselves cannot. hi
  23. Cynic
    Cynic 10 October 2014 18: 43
    +13
    Logic giving away by Western foulbrood ...

    To be correct, then the logic gives away the absence of logic.
    There is a contract, it contains certain conditions and obligations of the parties. Departure from them is an indicator of the unreliability of this side.

    Yes, still, dear responsible for the selection of publications on the site, you are not tired of posting such messages based on the words of such a person, even though he
    French Ambassador to Russia Jean-Maurice Rieper

    Did someone authorize him to do this? The Russian Federation received a written notice of changes in the terms of the transaction?
    Not ?
    So what ..., are we helping these jackals with such publications in the information war?
    It was difficult to hint in the publication that words, these are words and not only the ambassador, but even the president!
    Upon the maturity of the transaction, soon, everything will become clear.
    They will delay, I think, the standard is the same, the contract contains fines.
    If they refuse, in general there will come a feast of the soul for many! I’m silent about the amount of the penalty!
  24. Starik72
    Starik72 10 October 2014 18: 44
    0
    And this merciful Lord dares to set the conditions for a righteous Russia! Russia, if he spits in her direction, there will be nothing left of this France, and this is just spitting.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 10 October 2014 21: 12
      +1
      Quote: Starik72
      ! Russia, if she spits in her direction, there will be nothing left of this France, and this is just a spit.

      Why are there so many to say the least stupid people who believe in all kinds of crap.
      In general, France is one of the few countries whose armed forces have an almost complete range of modern weapons and military equipment (including nuclear weapons), of its own production - from small arms to attack nuclear aircraft carriers (which, except France, only the United States has )
  25. azbukin77
    azbukin77 10 October 2014 18: 49
    +1
    The transfer period is not subject to revision! Maybe the next call will be, wait for the monthly parte-genossa Merkel! The penalty is valid from the moment of violation of the delivery time, point!
    1. Sergey Vl.
      Sergey Vl. 10 October 2014 20: 50
      0
      The chancellor cannot have the so-called critical days, there has long been registered menopause, it remains only to play with a smartphone.
  26. Koronik
    Koronik 10 October 2014 18: 49
    +4
    Yes, gentlemen, we will not see the "mistral", and penalties, too, this procedure will take a long time. Going to the court of the United States or the European Union is useless, the only option, as it seems to me, is to go to the Chinese court of Hong Kong, and then, upon having a court decision, in accordance with the concluded contract, return the goods or forfeit in full.
  27. Stinger
    Stinger 10 October 2014 18: 54
    +5
    Russia will not take Mitstrali until Oland marries Merkel.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 10 October 2014 20: 44
      0
      Quote: Stinger
      Russia will not take Mitstrali until Oland marries Merkel.

      Good offer, standings! Neighing.
  28. AIR ZNAK
    AIR ZNAK 10 October 2014 18: 55
    +3
    They won’t give up the Mistrals, and the money will be spent on forfeit to finance the United Shipbuilding Corporation and our research institutes to reproduce the likeness of the Mistrals. New jobs will appear in Russia. The French will fail the Hollande’s government. Marie Le Pen will be closer to the presidential chair and that’s better than Sarkozy and Hollande. Pluses are obvious In addition to the Mistrals, spare parts and fuel will have to be bought from the French and look back at their oddities. There are probably minuses, but they are not so obvious.
  29. nitrid
    nitrid 10 October 2014 18: 55
    +3
    Quote: USSR 1971
    5. The ships built in Crimea should be called "Kutuzov" and "Borodino".


    Justified and nice ...
  30. Abbra
    Abbra 10 October 2014 18: 57
    0
    Or maybe them, Mistral? Let her give them to Ukraine. You can build a base in the Dnepropetrovsk reservoir ...
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 10 October 2014 20: 48
      0
      Quote: Abbra
      Or maybe them, Mistral? Let her give them to Ukraine. You can build a base in the Dnepropetrovsk reservoir ...

      Do not hell with them on the Dnieper do what you want. Let in the middle of the Champs Elysees put on a pedestal, be a monument to the American occupation of Europe.
    2. begemot20091
      begemot20091 11 October 2014 07: 00
      0
      You probably meant the Dnieper Reservoir ????
      Then it’s better to send a Pskov landing to the island of Khortytsia near Zaporozhye ...
      Let them write a letter, for example, to Hollande.
      You can also amuse Merkel, so that she is not bored with the iPhone.
  31. Serg7281
    Serg7281 10 October 2014 19: 02
    +2
    It is necessary to poke the paddling in the text of the contract. It seems that there are no references to non-compliance with obligations due to the instability of Ukraine.
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 10 October 2014 19: 10
      0
      Quote: Serg7281
      It is necessary to poke the paddling in the text of the contract.

      Though shut up, they overturned like suckers, like in a fairy tale: there was nothing with a Russian ass to go to a foreign doctor.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 10 October 2014 21: 00
        0
        Quote: sergey261180
        Quote: Serg7281
        It is necessary to poke the paddling in the text of the contract.

        Though shut up, they overturned like suckers, like in a fairy tale: there was nothing with a Russian ass to go to a foreign doctor.

        They are not an African "banana republic" to forgive them at least a broken penny! If they don't pay off their debts now, we'll put them on the counter, their children (unless of course they have them at such a pace of movement towards universal homosexuality) will pay off.
  32. novobranets
    novobranets 10 October 2014 19: 02
    +1
    Two troughs promised to build? They promised. They beat you on the hands? Beat. Did you sign the paper? Signed. Where are the troughs? No? No. Fuck with them, but drive a coin for forfeit. tongue
  33. Ural45
    Ural45 10 October 2014 19: 04
    +1
    Yes, you take your menstruals back, you can monkey, she really desired them, only return the grandmother.
  34. GDV
    GDV 10 October 2014 19: 06
    +1
    Frenchman on the soap.
    1. Ural45
      Ural45 11 October 2014 04: 29
      -1
      Even with soap disgusting, turns the soul. Ours is better.
  35. family tree
    family tree 10 October 2014 19: 07
    +3
    No, cool. Did these guardian "patches" imagine themselves as boars?
    And on turnips? what
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 10 October 2014 19: 13
      +4
      Not Piglets and Cockerels laughing
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 10 October 2014 21: 03
      +1
      Quote: perepilka
      No, cool. Did these guardian "patches" imagine themselves as boars?
      And on turnips? what

      Do you propose to get wild boars?
    3. pensioner
      pensioner 10 October 2014 21: 04
      +2
      Quote: perepilka
      These French "patches"

      what Piglets say ... Hello Vova! drinks
  36. fridge
    fridge 10 October 2014 19: 08
    +2
    The idiocy goes wild among the paddling pool. A life example, suppose I found money and ordered a cool car in the cabin, but when it's time to pick up, they will tell me that you won’t get it because my neighbor is driving and beating his own family. That's about here. To pick up money for the Mistrals and to inflate such a company, what custodians are vile partners. They will lose even more from their cowardice before the Americans.
  37. kitpit
    kitpit 10 October 2014 19: 08
    +2
    The question must be posed with money or ships as an edge, so that for a long time they wouldn’t turn on the counter, especially since the contract provides smile
    1. Ural45
      Ural45 11 October 2014 04: 31
      -1
      That's for sure. In this case, a return to the concepts of the 90s is appropriate.
  38. zinander
    zinander 10 October 2014 19: 11
    +3
    The country of easy virtue bends, hesitates, and she herself knows what she will give. And we can stop don't take it!
  39. Lelek
    Lelek 10 October 2014 19: 11
    +4
    Following the logic of the French ambassador, Russia could, in response, announce that it would agree to take the Mistrals from France and refuse to receive billions of euros in penalties if ISIL ceases to exist in the Middle East and the Ebola fever completely disappears in the world. ..

    It couldn't be better. By the way, when, according to the contract, is the delivery time for the Mistrals (ie when Russia can start the procedure for refunding money in advance and demand a forfeit for violating the contract)?
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 10 October 2014 21: 08
      +1
      Quote: Lelek
      Following the logic of the French ambassador, Russia could, in response, announce that it would agree to take the Mistrals from France and refuse to receive billions of euros in penalties if ISIL ceases to exist in the Middle East and the Ebola fever completely disappears in the world. ..

      It couldn't be better. By the way, when, according to the contract, is the delivery time for the Mistrals (ie when Russia can start the procedure for refunding money in advance and demand a forfeit for violating the contract)?

      By the way, they refuse to pay - we can declare them bankrupt, let them prove later that in fact they are not bankrupt, but scammers. Radish horseradish is not sweeter.
  40. sanyavolhv
    sanyavolhv 10 October 2014 19: 15
    +1
    health
    it’s time to make Putin a phrase like: we always knew that the Frenchman was ready for anything for the sake of love, we again made sure that the French for the love of Washington were ready to empty their pockets. at the very time to check whether your love for your inton is mutual. let them pay your debts. although I think Washington has too much compromising evidence on the French president and other officials. all relations are rather slavish.
  41. Lelek
    Lelek 10 October 2014 19: 20
    +3
    By the way, when, according to the contract, is the delivery time for the Mistrals (ie when Russia can start the procedure for refunding money in advance and demand a forfeit for violating the contract)?

    Yeah, I found it. The first box with guy lines in time should be delivered before the end of 2014, and the second - in the fall of 2015. We are patiently waiting. yes
  42. Svetovod
    Svetovod 10 October 2014 19: 20
    -2
    Hike these "mistrals" are heavily mined. Naturally for ballast. At the manufacturer's site, I would have done so.
  43. Stoler
    Stoler 10 October 2014 19: 23
    +1
    Yes, the couple already put them on the counter - give the ships or let them pay a forfeit for every delayed day! Maybe then they will stop mumbling. And then as a girl - I’ll give, I won’t give and PAPA does not order. Ugh! Frogs!
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 10 October 2014 21: 15
      0
      Quote: Stoler
      Yes, the couple already put them on the counter - give the ships or let them pay a forfeit for every delayed day!

      And what if - a soldering iron in the ass or an iron on the belly?
  44. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 10 October 2014 19: 24
    +1
    What can I say, the frog ... the nicknames proved that, in general, everyone has long known that the frog is wet and slippery.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 10 October 2014 19: 34
      +2
      Quote: Ivan 63
      the frog animal is wet and slippery.

      No, she’s generally white and fluffy fellow , but often sick, and did not comply with contracts.
  45. Ppsh
    Ppsh 10 October 2014 19: 30
    +1
    And such .... is spelled out in the contract?
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 10 October 2014 19: 52
      +1
      No. They are under a contract obliged to transfer the first ship in November of this year, the second - in November of the next, otherwise they will pay the penalty.
  46. ruslan207
    ruslan207 10 October 2014 19: 30
    +3
    The main thing for Russia is to return their grandmothers, and let the treasures of the French keep them looking for buyers on them
  47. ermolai
    ermolai 10 October 2014 19: 32
    +2
    Quote: everest2014
    RF charter to listen to excuses will break the contract and everyone is happy.

    Nooo, we will tear the French anus away, and saw off the stern, load lard from it forfeit into it, but it will load it with cognac, vinets, and not candy wrappers,
  48. Stoler
    Stoler 10 October 2014 19: 42
    +1
    Mayhem! Money took and neither money nor goods. At the same time, they run into it. The face is beaten for this and the mouth is torn!
    1. LvKiller
      LvKiller 10 October 2014 23: 52
      +1
      Now the admirers will explain to you that this is a real democracy and a legal solution to the problem - throwing a person who paid money is a truly European trait. This is what! Here are the lights of democracy - American gopniks - in general would have killed ...
  49. Wiruz
    Wiruz 10 October 2014 19: 48
    +4
    I’m wondering, are the French themselves not ashamed of the behavior of their country? Behaves as an arrogant courtesan, yes - I will not give or will, but not to you. 3 billion forfeits will cause more than serious damage to the economy of the Fifth Republic, and this is only the minimum value. Although, I repeat, a refusal to supply ships is more preferable for Russia. hi
    1. begemot20091
      begemot20091 11 October 2014 07: 08
      0
      Quote: Wiruz
      Behaves as an arrogant courtesan, yes - I will not give or will, but not to you

      This, you dear, are bent. lol
      Fuck for these stupid and pay ...
      Khokhlushki for the sake of protest, they protested the day — they didn’t give the Russians for 3 rubles, but only for 3 rubles 50 kopecks — and ... they went on shoulder relations with the difficult economic situation in the country.
      But motivated: "We will buy new body armor for the army with the money earned by this very n ..., honest work."
  50. demand1
    demand1 10 October 2014 19: 54
    -1
    And let's take the loot better and let the whole economy of the pedrosoyuk collapse