Work continues on the subject of BZHRK

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Currently, the domestic defense industry is implementing several new projects aimed at updating the strategic missile forces. In the foreseeable future, the Strategic Missile Forces should receive several new missile systems. First of all, these are intercontinental silo-based missiles. Nevertheless, experts are engaged in the subject of mobile rocket complexes. Over the past few years, the issue of creating new combat railway missile systems (BZHRK) —special trains equipped with ballistic missile launchers — has been regularly raised.



A few days ago, a progress report on a promising project was published by the Zvezda TV channel. It is alleged that the 4 Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense, working in the interests of the Strategic Missile Forces, successfully reported to the leadership of the military department on carrying out certain research works on the subject of BZHRK. Details of the work carried out were not reported. All that is known is that research was conducted "in the interests of creating advanced mobile (rail) -based missile systems."

The Soviet Union and then Russia were already armed with combat railway missile systems of the 15P961 “Molodets” type with the RT-23UTTH rocket. The operation of these systems began in the mid-eighties and continued until the beginning of the two thousandths. From 2003 to 2007, all available complexes were removed from duty. Most of the “Well done” was disposed of, and the two complexes were disarmed and became museum exhibits. During the disposal of railroad missile systems it was claimed that they should be replaced by mobile ground systems of the Topol family and newer developments.

The main advantage of missile systems based on railway transport was considered and is considered their secrecy. After leaving the base of the country’s railway network, the composition with the rockets could move in any direction, which made its detection extremely difficult. Although the weight characteristics of the “Well done” complex imposed certain restrictions on the routes of movement, its effectiveness was evaluated quite high. Nevertheless, the full operation of the complexes lasted only a few years. In 1991, the leaders of the USSR and Western countries agreed to reduce the patrol routes. In accordance with the agreement, the Soviet BZHRK could be on duty only within their bases.

In 1993, the START-2 Treaty (Treaty on the Reduction of Strategic Offensive Arms) appeared. One of the clauses of this agreement determined the further fate of the 15P961 railway missile systems. In accordance with the treaty, by the year 2003, Russia was to remove from service all RT-23UTTH missiles. At that time, the Strategic Missile Forces had 12 trains with 36 launchers. The treaty obligations relating to missiles have been fully implemented. Missile systems, left without ammunition, were soon disposed of or sent to museums.

Shortly after the start of the disposal of the “Good” complexes, various statements and rumors began to appear concerning the possibility of creating a new BZHRK. Until a certain time, all the conversations on this score boiled down to the fact that the command of the Strategic Missile Forces and the leadership of the Ministry of Defense did not rule out the possibility of creating a new railway missile complex. Any information about the start of work on a new project was not disclosed. Only in the spring of 2013, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov spoke about the launch of the new project. The Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering (MIT), which in recent years has created several missile systems for the Strategic Missile Forces, has become the lead enterprise for the new BZHRK project.

At the end of last year, Colonel-General Sergei Karakayev, commander-in-chief of the Strategic Missile Forces, said that the draft design of the new BZHRK would be completed in the first half of 2014. Other details of the work have not yet been announced. The recent information published by the Zvezda TV channel may indicate that MIT and the 4 Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense have completed preliminary work on the project and are ready to start developing a new missile system.

For obvious reasons, the technical appearance and characteristics of the promising BZHRK remain unknown to the public. Nevertheless, since the first information about the development of such a system has appeared, assumptions about its possible appearance have been regularly made. According to various estimates, the new BZHRK as a whole will be similar to the “Well done” written off, but it should seriously differ from it thanks to the use of new systems and components.

The basis of the advanced BZHRK, as before, will be a carriage equipped with a launcher. The 15P961 complex included wagons with launchers disguised as refrigerators and equipped with a system for distributing the load on neighboring wagons. The use of the latter was determined by the weight of the rocket and the characteristics of the railway tracks. Similarly, a wagon-launcher of a promising missile system can be built.

The fact that the creation of a new project BZHRK was entrusted to the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering allows us to make some assumptions about a promising rocket. Probably, in the ammunition for the new railway missile complex, some developments will be used for the Topol-M, Yars and Bulava projects. A certain benefit to the project of a new rocket can be brought by the borrowing of ideas and technical solutions from rockets intended for mobile soil complexes, such as Topol-M or Yars. These products have a much smaller starting weight in comparison with the RT-23UTTH rocket, which can greatly simplify their operation.

The characteristics of the new missiles and their combat equipment may be the subject of a separate discussion, since accurate information on this matter has not yet been announced and is unlikely to be announced in the next few years. Probably, the general characteristics of the promising BZHRK will be at the level of indicators of the latest ground-based missile systems or higher.

From various statements and assessments it follows that a new combat railway missile system for the Strategic Missile Forces can be created by 2020. Thus, by the middle of the next decade, missile forces could receive a sufficient amount of new technology that could have a serious impact on their combat capability.

However, these dates are purely evaluative. It is still unknown whether the Ministry of Defense will order the development of new railway missile systems. The decision of the military may affect some features of this technique. During the operation of the “Good work” complex, it was established that it has not only advantages, but also disadvantages. For example, despite the use of disguise, a train with missiles can be distinguished from civilian trains on some specific grounds. In addition, the heavy missile system required the strengthening of railway tracks, and also led to their increased wear. A characteristic feature of BZHRK is lower resistance to enemy attacks in comparison with silo-based missile systems.

According to recent reports, the domestic defense industry is capable of creating a new combat railway missile system. In this case, the military department remains to weigh all the pros and cons of such systems and determine whether the industry should develop and build new technology for the Strategic Missile Forces.


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  1. +30
    13 October 2014 09: 20
    This is good news! In due time, the mattresses wrote in boiling water that they would neutralize the threat of the BZHRK ... As they say - God help! I would rather.
    1. +2
      13 October 2014 09: 43
      It is likely that in the ammunition for the new railway missile complex, some developments on the Topol-M, Yars and Bulava projects will be used

      As far as I remember, in open sources it is said that this Yars is the same Topol M only separated from the warhead, and the Mace is made on the basis of Topol M. A solid-fuel rocket for the BZHRK based on This family is quite realizable. You can even imagine that everything will be placed in 1 car, there will be no need to form a separate train ...
      1. +2
        13 October 2014 12: 39
        the rocket already has this RS-26 Rubezh is a lighter missile compared to Yars was designed only for mobile complexes (no mine design)
        1. +1
          14 October 2014 00: 32
          There were speculations about the use of submarine missiles, for example "Bulava", they are convenient because short, no double carriage needed. Well, of course, compact and ready-made, you don't need to invent anything. Maybe they will make a mace, it would also be cool.
      2. +1
        13 October 2014 21: 50
        The composition is still needed, in addition to the launch car, there is also a bunch of serving cars.
      3. +1
        13 October 2014 23: 11
        The need to form a separate train will not disappear. Rocket car. Wagon with control. A car with a power plant. Already at least 3. Accommodation car for the calculation. Guard car. And "on little things" for another couple of cars.
        T.ch. about a separate carriage as part of an ordinary passenger or freight train, there’s no reason to talk.
      4. 0
        15 October 2014 14: 07
        Still, in our country they did ref-wagons ... before, GDR and Bryansk do not do it now ... Even if they somehow blind, it will not be difficult to find them by numbering ..
      5. stillto
        0
        17 October 2014 03: 03
        > You can even imagine that everything will be placed in 1 carriage, there will be no need to form a separate train ...

        Will not disappear and there is nothing to imagine :) You do not understand a little the essence of the name "BZHRK". The key thing here is "RK" - a missile system. And it is not reduced to one rocket. In the PGRK, after all, the launcher is also not "in one litso" waging a nuclear war :) (that is, it seems like it can, in case of great need, - well, the silo can also ... If the calculation has time to run from the command post :) But the meaning of any complex the fact that KP and ZKP have not been canceled, as well as security, places for rest shifts, etc. (PS However, you have already been answered))
    2. TECHNOLOGY
      0
      21 October 2014 20: 13
      Good! When divisions were unraveled in the 90s, it was sad. This is my ex.
  2. +10
    13 October 2014 09: 30
    Obviously they took the matter seriously. I didn’t even expect such rapid progress. That means the complex WILL! good
  3. +13
    13 October 2014 09: 32
    A characteristic feature of the BZHRK is less resistance to enemy attacks in comparison with mine-based missile systems.

    To attack, you need to know where the object is, and the BZHRK has complete order with this.
  4. +7
    13 October 2014 09: 35
    It is nice to see and understand the process of revival ... when the Defense Ministry and the Russian Federation as a whole again have the right to choose: what to create, with what characteristics and priorities.
  5. +3
    13 October 2014 09: 37
    New is well forgotten old! We cut it into chermet, now we’re doing something new ...
    1. 0
      16 October 2014 01: 16
      Quote: Dude
      Now we’re doing something new ...

      Yes, not "new type", but new. 30 years have passed. A bunch of new materials and solutions, from hardware to electronics.
  6. +3
    13 October 2014 09: 37
    Give the country BZHRK! drinks
    1. VladimirK
      0
      13 October 2014 19: 58
      And more.
  7. +14
    13 October 2014 09: 38
    To this you can add only one thing: "and their nuclear component")))
  8. +7
    13 October 2014 09: 40
    It would be nice to put on the stakes of those who lobbied for the destruction of the Soviet-built BZHRK. So much work, unique engineering solutions - down the drain ... Well, at least BAM was not pulled away for firewood and recycled metal am
    1. tkhonov66
      0
      13 October 2014 13: 50
      "...
      It would be nice to put on the stakes of those who lobbied for the destruction of the Soviet-built BZHRK.
      ..."
      .
      do not say nonsense ...
      .
      A WEAK state (and Yeltsin's Russia was REALLY WEAK) - such CAP was NOTHING. That and look, would be "abroad" for scrap, would be hijacked ...
      .
      - and for combat readiness of ANY equipment - it is NECESSARY to FOLLOW it!
      Perform routine maintenance, maintenance work, refuel, clean, lubricate, change spare parts and so on and so forth ... And if all of this is not done, then all this is NOT WEAPON, but an YARMO on the neck of the state. Moreover, the political will, at least for the threat of its use, WAS NOT IN MEMORY.
      .
      - so that EVERYTHING IS CORRECTLY MADE ...
      1. +5
        13 October 2014 15: 03
        Well, thanks, taught in old age. crying 25 years in the Strategic Missile Forces - down the drain.
        By the way, the BZHRK cannot be compared with the Topol PGRK in terms of operating costs. The Topol regiment carries 9 nuclear warheads, and the BZHRK division carries 30 (if memory serves)!
        A WEAK state (and Yeltsin's Russia was REALLY WEAK) - such CAP was NOTHING. That and look, would be "abroad" for scrap, would be hijacked ...

        Crap ... It's a shame, dear, to shake the air. soldier
    2. 0
      13 October 2014 18: 58
      Mr. Gorbachev, Chubais and the current ruling liberals.
    3. +1
      14 October 2014 03: 02
      And suddenly the Kremlin authorities agreed in the 89th to begin negotiations on the liquidation of the BZHRK. What arguments the Americans had to take out of their sleeves in order to force Moscow bureaucrats to take such an unprecedented step! You can’t relate
      Serious to the official explanation that otherwise we would not have been given loans (and where are your gold and foreign exchange assets - bye-bye?). First, according to the agreement on the reduction of strategic offensive arms, the BZHRK was driven to bases and put on "forever-"
      funny joke. " Moreover, laser beacons were helpfully mounted on nuclear trains to make it easier for the enemy to aim at the Scalpels. And later, Yeltsin and his successor to the throne completed the destruction of weapons that are deadly for the United States.
      (By the way, it was not Gobrachev who climbed the wagons with the members of the Politburo and caught the treacherous beacons. This was done by the high ranks of the Soviet Army and the KGB, who swore allegiance to their homeland. I can see how the generals groaning from exertion and sweating heavily climbed metal stairs to make sure the alarm works reliably. And then these generals, as people's deputies of Russia, will elect the chairman of the parliament and impersonate true patriots).
      (Poltoranin "Power in TNT equivalent").
      1. +1
        14 October 2014 06: 59
        Quote: lidiy
        Yeltsin and his successor to the throne have completed the destruction of weapons that are deadly for the United States.
        For some reason, everyone is fixated on the United States, do we have few other "partners"? NATO for example. The secrecy of the BZHRK is its main trump card, and modern developments allow it to fit into the parameters of a railway car. The release of the BZHRK on combat duty will sober up many hotheads.
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  9. ISKANDER25
    +9
    13 October 2014 09: 42
    Hello! Gorbachev destroyed and received money from America in the form of the Nobel Prize, and now we are restoring it to the people !!! Gorbachev had to be judged !!! am
    1. +1
      13 October 2014 10: 17
      And do not say, judge and give the people to the court, otherwise the creature lives happily ever after am
    2. ISKANDER25
      +7
      13 October 2014 10: 18
      Hello!
  10. baradec
    +8
    13 October 2014 09: 44
    It was at the base of the BZHRK near Kostroma in the 11th year - it was sawn up, everything to hell was destroyed. In just a few years, a huge base was torn apart.
  11. 0
    13 October 2014 09: 54
    "After leaving the base on the country's railway network, a train with missiles could move in any direction, which made it extremely difficult to detect" - not quite a correct conclusion, the railway tracks in the country are different and not everyone will withstand such a heavy load as the BZHRK.
  12. +17
    13 October 2014 10: 02
    For the sake of interest, I figured out the layout of the passenger car with a rocket. Everything is located! :-))
    1. +2
      13 October 2014 16: 10
      most likely the rocket will be RS-26 Frontier and it is smaller than Yars there are no problems at all
      As of November 2013, 4 launches were carried out, 3 of them were successful. It is assumed that the ICBM in the coming years will supplement the grouping of the Yars (RS-24) and Topol-M (RT-2PM2) missiles that are in service with the Strategic Missile Forces (Strategic Missile Forces).
      The new solid-propellant intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) with the working name RS-26 was created on the basis of the RS-24 Yars. In 2015, it will enter service with the Irkutsk Guards Missile Formation. Flight design tests of the rocket will be completed in December 2014, ITAR-TASS reports, citing a high-ranking source in the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces.
      "Tests confirming the specified tactical and technical characteristics of this missile are scheduled to be completed in December," the source told the agency. He added that in 2015, the complex with the new missile will be put on alert. "The Irkutsk compound will receive this complex first," the source said.

      RS-26 (other working names - "Vanguard" and "Rubezh") - solid-propellant ICBM with improved combat equipment and multiple warheads. In 2013, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces (Strategic Missile Forces), Colonel-General Sergei Karakaev, reported that the RS-26 would be lighter than the Yars. "If we are talking about the mobile ground Yars, then today our launcher weighs more than 120 tons. With this advanced missile we will achieve weight characteristics of up to 80 tons, it will be lighter," the general said. According to Karakayev, the rocket is planned to be launched from a mobile ground complex, there is no silo-based option for it.
      1. Shihamovich
        0
        13 October 2014 19: 56
        I do not know the performance characteristics of the Rubezh ICBMs, because they are still secret, but I believe that one and a half-fold weight reduction cannot be achieved while maintaining the missile concept - it must be a missile different from the RS-23 ICBM - in short, nauseous. It is clear that the throw weight will be several hundred kilograms, but one hundred kiloton will be enough for our "partners". I believe that it is better to adapt the R-30 Bulava for the BZHRK. Firstly, in length (a little more than 12 m.) It fits into an ordinary 4-axle car (by the way, the photo at the beginning of the article is assembly. The launch car RT-23UTTKh was 8-axle), the weight of the car with the rocket will be within 70 tons , and not under two hundred, as to the Well done, which means that there is no need to refine the path. Of course, you will have to reduce the throw weight from 1150 to 600-700 kg, because railways in Siberia are mainly in the South, to the center of the United States - almost 11000 km. in a straight line. I think 3 warheads will be enough. The danger lies elsewhere - nuclear weapons will travel on public roads, and if in the authoritarian USSR it was lied to, then in modern hamster Russia the slightest accident (not to mention a serious catastrophe) will cause wild cries of environmentalists and the public and may bury the project.
        1. 0
          16 October 2014 01: 24
          Quote: Shihamovich
          wild cries of ecologists and the public and may bury the project.

          Well, this brethren makes noise only when they allow her!
    2. 0
      13 October 2014 17: 23
      Quote: Lunaaron
      For the sake of interest, I figured out the layout of the passenger car with a rocket. Everything is hosted

      Something there is not visible missile maintenance systems, roof opening mechanisms that fix the car when the rocket is launched and other gadgets. Not so simple in the BZHRK.
      1. 0
        13 October 2014 21: 10
        Now I’m working on these issues ... :-)))

        Of course, not everything is so simple, but the main thing is the rocket itself. Its weight and dimensions fit in standard cars so well. I think that in a year our developers will have success. :-))
  13. +2
    13 October 2014 10: 06
    What we have - do not store. Lost - weep. It will be necessary to restore the damaged from practically zero. The only thing that most likely still in the ranks is the people who worked on it and served at these complexes. It’s absolutely necessary to use their experience, so as not to stuff old bumps a second time.
  14. +3
    13 October 2014 10: 06
    We need to create and develop our own armed forces, their nuclear component. In this case, we can sleep peacefully, and the world will be in balance. This is a very strong deterrent against hot overseas "colleagues".
  15. +2
    13 October 2014 10: 15
    I should hurry with this deed winked
  16. +1
    13 October 2014 10: 22
    The territory of the country is huge, the railway network is the largest in the world, let the vorogov try to find what deadlock missiles will fly from, the most subtle type of missile basing, it was not in vain that he went the first line to destruction, Hunchback received a good kickback for this.
    1. +2
      13 October 2014 11: 00
      The largest railway network in the world is in the USA.
  17. +1
    13 October 2014 10: 29
    Gorbachev’s rule comes to us and it will go back to our whole life. The real one was a Komsomol member.
    1. +2
      13 October 2014 11: 25
      And not only Gorbachev ...
      BZHRK died at venerable GDP. The special depot existed until 2004. The GDP ended its first term. And nothing prevented the reconsideration of erroneous decisions. Save, conserve at least the base .... No. All gouging. The rest of the local population was stolen by tsvetmet. The rails and skeletons of the hulls as of 2010 were still standing.
      Now what? And now new plans, until 2020 ... Articles are positive on VO. The comments are enthusiastic and all that.
      Gentlemen, do you yourself believe that?

      Who cares, see for example http://blog.stalkersworld.ru/voennoe/zabroshennaya-voennaya-baza-bzhrk.html
      1. biglow
        +5
        13 October 2014 14: 05
        you forgot what state the country was in when GDP came to power .. Therefore, do not blame him .. Everyone does what he can ..
      2. +1
        13 October 2014 14: 45
        Probably it didn’t make sense to restore these bases already - the objects were declassified, the position of the potential enemy is known, and so it is necessary to rebuild.
        I would like to believe that the information on the design of new BZHRK will not be an informational throw for foreign media
        1. 0
          13 October 2014 15: 23
          It makes sense to restore. The base is needed only for routine maintenance. They served rockets and rolling stock and the train left. Look for everything .... But the depot itself makes no sense. Yes, and it will not be possible to hide an object of this size, look at the photo. This is a huge railway station for 10..12 trains. Anyway, they’ll calculate it at the construction stage. But if you don’t keep trains on it, as Topoli is now holding in positional areas, then the enemy’s good sense of coordinates is not enough. This is just a rembase, no more. And trains should move around the country at some intervals. Then it will not be easy to track them.
        2. Shihamovich
          0
          13 October 2014 20: 08
          The RT-23UTTH is still a very large missile. I don’t argue, this is Utkin’s creation and today admires his ingenious decisions ... but time passes, and this rocket is still yesterday. And for the sabotage and terrorist attacks, the BZHRK is much more vulnerable than even the same Topol PGRK - well, sneak through the forest through military guard! I'm not talking about missiles in silos. To ensure at least some kind of security, the BZHRK should be completely indistinguishable from an ordinary merchandise, I will even say more - it must have the technical ability to integrate into the freight train. And for this, he needs a short rocket that will fit in the dimensions of a standard 4-axle car. In short, Mace - on wheels!
        3. 0
          13 October 2014 23: 19
          I believe that the potential enemy was well aware of the location of the missile bases. But that was not a problem. I met in the tyrnet a phrase of a vorog something like: "The exit of rocket trains from bases by satellites was easily recorded, but it was not possible to track the movement of rocket trains, they simply got lost among other trains."
      3. +1
        13 October 2014 21: 19
        Stalin appeared on the political arena in the early 20s. And he received full power only by the 39th year. During these 15-19 years in the USSR, they managed to shoot and imprison a bunch of people, to destroy a lot of useful things from the Russian Empire, to arrange a famine in the southern regions of Russia, to practically destroy the peasantry as a class. What prevented Stalin from "reconsidering erroneous decisions"? See the first two lines. And this despite the fact that Stalin also knew how to harshly and directly get rid of the slag in power through executions - all the same, the process was long and painful.
        1. -1
          14 October 2014 09: 29
          Your words to God in the ears. We are waiting for the sssss.
          But for now, GDP doesn’t look like Stalin. Well, not at all. And his delicacy in the current conditions is already annoying.
  18. -1
    13 October 2014 10: 32
    From various statements and assessments it follows that a new military railway missile system for the Strategic Missile Forces can be created by 2020. In this way,



    Wait a long time. In the USSR, time passed from idea to realization. Although in the USSR there were no oligarchs laughing
    1. tkhonov66
      0
      13 October 2014 15: 22
      "...
      Although in the USSR there were no oligarchs
      ..."
      .
      naive...
      Yes, in the USSR-it was EVERYTHING!
      8-)
  19. 0
    13 October 2014 10: 42
    Not so simple. After all, it is said that this train is easy to calculate on some grounds. In particular, it had at least two locomotives, was short, in a combination of freight and passenger cars, traveled almost all stations without stops. Secondly, because of its weight characteristics, the missile train could not travel on all roads, but only on specially reconstructed ones. Third, as already mentioned in the article, it is more susceptible not only to the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion, but also to attack by enemy DRGs, or even extremists, and is not immune to accidents that are quite common in railway transport. All of these factors can outweigh its widely publicized secrecy and invulnerability. In any case, the decision to be or not to be such a train only to specialized specialists, after a comprehensive analysis, as the article correctly says.
    1. 0
      13 October 2014 18: 51
      It’s easy to calculate by weight, by radiation in various ranges, the country is large, bookmarks in the form of cobblestones under the rails or in the embankment to put in an elementary way. Now technology has advanced even more, the world is open ...
  20. +1
    13 October 2014 10: 51
    In the modern version, it can be disguised as double-decker cars, which removes some of the restrictions on dimensions.
  21. +1
    13 October 2014 11: 03
    Quote: Lunaaron
    For the sake of interest, I figured out the layout of the passenger car with a rocket. Everything is located! :-))

    There, the fairing on the RT 23 seems to be telescopic, folding! Along the way, and so it will be! So there is enough space for anyone!
  22. 0
    13 October 2014 11: 13
    Oh, to create a rocket with a launch platform no heavier than 80 tons, and with the same range ...
    1. 0
      13 October 2014 11: 20
      Or maybe they are trying to create one. There are freight wagons of such tonnage, the dimensions are different and will not necessarily be tied to the type of refrigerator car.
      Then such installations will be "lost" in the railway networks of Russia!
  23. -3
    13 October 2014 11: 17
    The introduction of the BZHRK required the restructuring of the railway network of the Soviet Union (concrete sleepers in particular), the wear of the tracks was great, it seems that after one pass repair of the railway was already required. The wiki outlines too. In general, as always - you need an optimal balance between cost (including maintenance) and the task.
    1. 0
      13 October 2014 12: 29
      Everything is fine. We have wagons under the city loaded with hundreds of tons.
  24. +5
    13 October 2014 11: 19
    The Yars rocket is almost two times lighter than the Molodets and smaller in size, so she will not need unmasked reinforced carts and extra locomotives. Regarding the attack, the drg is also nonsense. Then you can attack any launcher. Each brzhk had decent security. And most importantly, it would have been necessary to write off all the brzhk ten years ago. Since they were produced in Ukraine, and the maximum shelf life of a solid fuel rocket is 25 years. And who No. would we now be able to supply them or recharge the engines?
    1. tkhonov66
      0
      13 October 2014 15: 25
      "...
      they were produced in Ukraine, and the maximum shelf life of a solid fuel rocket is 25 years. And who would now not be able to supply them to us or recharge engines?
      ..."
      .
      - NAME!
      .
      So ...
      - Well done, Putin!
      - I did everything right ...
      8-)
    2. -3
      13 October 2014 15: 50
      You do not really correctly assess the danger of the DRG ... After all, it’s enough from a sniper rifle, being one and a half kilometers from the passage of the complex to get into the rocket itself - ALL OF IT WILL EXPLODE AT START! And damage to a solid rocket is quite difficult to detect ... It may still be a YEAR RIDING and everyone will think that it is CORRECT ...
    3. Shihamovich
      0
      13 October 2014 20: 19
      And the Mace is even lighter than Yars, which is very long - 22 meters - this is not a joke, this is an 8-axle car definitely!
  25. 0
    13 October 2014 11: 36
    Guys, what are you all about rockets and rockets. To ensure these missiles need a complex. We didn’t create missiles, but something is not visible to ensure combat control and to maintain BG! Missiles, apushki and the like are delivered to the Strategic Missile Forces, but where is the installation of new complexes on the database? Missile divisions are armed with new complexes, but they are not yet on the DB !!!
    And the railway complex is more needed as a horror story for Americans.
    1. tkhonov66
      +2
      13 October 2014 15: 27
      "...
      And the railway complex is more needed as a horror story for Americans.
      ..."
      .
      - Well, of course!
      As if a nuclear weapon is "good" for anything else !!!
      8-))
      1. Shihamovich
        0
        13 October 2014 20: 22
        Nuclear deterrence, yes ... Scaring Americans is his only goal. And we will pray that never his goal would be to shoot Americans.
  26. +2
    13 October 2014 11: 37
    And why can’t you consider the deployment of strategic nuclear forces on water vessels? And not military, but on barges, bulk carriers, container ships, tankers ... Floating and decommissioned in the backwaters! How many rivers, lakes, reservoirs in Russia ... How many deaf places in Siberia and the Far East! Perhaps more than a network of railways. In terms of dimensions, river vessels are larger than a railway wagon, i.e. You can place as many rockets as a command post, autonomous power supply. Secrecy and secrecy of movement is easier to provide than by rail. There is no need to strengthen and reconstruct railways. Let them try to identify such vessels from satellites! And structurally for unification, you can use the same missiles that are developed for the rocket launcher.
    1. tkhonov66
      0
      13 October 2014 15: 34
      "...
      And why can’t you consider the deployment of strategic nuclear forces on water vessels?
      ..."
      .
      - ALREADY ... and quite a long time ago ...
      8-)
      .
      Google: "Club-K" ...
      .
      And keep in mind that, in fact, the radius of action of these cruise missiles - theoretically, SHOULD NOT be 300 km, but 1500-2500 km.
      .
      Those. ANY dry cargo ship (regardless of the FLAG it carries and the port of registration) with at least ONE (!) STANDARD cargo container on board and located at a distance of up to 1500 km from the US coast is a POTENTIAL "SYAS" ... And the key word is here - POTENTIAL. As far as guarantee here - nothing is POSSIBLE.
      .
      - and such ships in the WORLD OCEAN - THOUSAND ...
  27. +1
    13 October 2014 12: 00
    By the way, D. Koretsky has a book called "Atomic Train", a funky thing, because there is just about a similar BZHRK all the work, read it, do not come off)))) Until a certain moment, all infa on such BZHRK was wildly classified ...
  28. +1
    13 October 2014 12: 14
    The people and that there are no railway workers on the site? belay
    What weight and special ways of speech IS THIS BAD OF DOGS am
    for reference Weight Shunting locomotive TM7 180ton and these diesel locomotives go along the most common routes and work at almost all major railway stations hi
  29. +2
    13 October 2014 12: 54
    Colleagues. All this crap with location uncertainty is no longer relevant for years, sort of, 20. Since then, when control systems appeared that made it possible to identify targets and direct them to destroy weapons in real time. This applies to both dirt and railway complexes.
    Therefore, all this "mobility" is a purely propaganda trick. And lobbying by the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering on a mobile topic. All.
    This was relevant when the identification of the means of nuclear attack, the calculation of the flight mission and its completion to the launcher took 60 hours, that is, in the 70s and XNUMXs.
    The Americans have long calculated this, and therefore abandoned the development of mobile systems in general. Although in the 60s, and in the 70s, and even in the first half of the 80s, they conducted such studies.
    But the disadvantages in the form of greater vulnerability to DRG, less resistance to the damaging factors of nuclear weapons, a greater need for personnel and equipment - are obvious.
    And the BZHRK glows for satellites as on a stage. And "disguising" as refrigerators is like a fig leaf in a theater.
    I answer. In our school, this complex was staffed. We worked on all his problems in research.
    Nothing was more reliable, economical, and efficient than the protected OS complexes. Therefore, we must not suffer from garbage, but to improve these complexes.
    1. stillto
      0
      17 October 2014 03: 20
      Come on ... "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice, in practice - it is" (c) This reliance on satellites - such a direct witchcraft "Oi-vey!" They do not hang continuously over the territory. And they have a limited "window". And why else is the time of flight of satellites regularly transmitted from the command post? :) And also the colonels from the academies, who "worked out all sorts of" problems "in R&D, are very offended that there are deviations from their textbooks on electronic warfare ... Americunts, with all their cunning, rely on either SDI or missile defense. .. Then on "acceptable losses in a limited nuclear conflict." That on "high-precision weapons" and "instant" non-nuclear "strike anywhere in the world" - the storytellers are still those. And of course, it will be delivered by stealth ... developed according to the manual stolen from stupid scoops ... Which, as it turns out later, has a second volume - about "problems of detecting stealth", worked out in R&D (stupid scoops have calculated everything for a long time - therefore they abandoned stealth ... At least in the form of an iron, which was the F-117 :)) Well, DRGs, of course, like in the movies, will arrive on the C-130 directly from "area 51", without landing or refueling - but with powder boosters, for paphos.
  30. +1
    13 October 2014 13: 24
    All types of technical intelligence have their limitations (natural and artificial interference). In addition, do not overestimate the capabilities of US management systems. And the old woman is a slammer. And the Americans abandoned the BZHRK because they have the main nuclear potential in submarines. The United States has great access to the oceans, so why should they once again substitute their territory? And further. DBC for satellites on stage? I do not understand, please explain why?
    1. -3
      13 October 2014 15: 44
      It is very easy to put a box in such a carriage of the BZHRK, which will transmit the coordinates of the complex to the satellite. As cars move along civilian routes, access to them is FREE and no one is forbidden to attach a box in a secluded place.
      1. tkhonov66
        +3
        13 October 2014 17: 16
        "...
        As cars move along civilian routes, access to them is FREE and no one is forbidden to attach a box in a secluded place.
        ..."
        .
        access to cars is not always so "free". And this is only "once". And "two" - so the service personnel of such a car KNOWS EVERY CROWN on it (LITERALLY!). And therefore, there are simply NO "secluded places" on such cars! And besides, infrared video surveillance with continuous video recording of EVERYTHING happening around such a car - has not been canceled. And it is IMPLICABLE (!) To attach some kind of "extra crap" to such a car is very and very NOT easy ... At least - in order to put something IMPRESSLY on such a car - you must first have something SIMILAR from this car - UNSIGNED TO REMOVE ... (Suicide agents - are there?).
        8-)
        .
        “Well, how,” presented the situation?
        8-))
    2. tkhonov66
      +7
      13 October 2014 17: 04
      "...
      And further. DBC for satellites on stage? I do not understand, please explain why?
      ..."
      .
      explaining ...
      There are 11000 locomotives in Russian Railways.
      If we assume that half of them affix (although it actually does much LESS), then the OTHER locomotives simultaneously transport more than 5000 trains on Russian railways. And well, for example, 10 of them - these are the very ones ....
      - From "kozmoz" - all trains PER ONE FACE (differ only in length, which length can CHANGE at each station 8-) well, maybe by the color of the car roofs ...
      - the task is to find / track these 10 among the other 5000 (but generally among almost 10000 8-)
      .
      and further...
      - a satellite can continuously "hover" above the earth's surface only in orbit of one fixed diameter - the so-called. "geostationary orbit". Moreover, its diameter is about 32000 km. From such a distance it is problematic to discern not only individual cars, but even a separate TRAIN - it is problematic to distinguish ... Therefore, all "spyen satellites" - they "try" to spin in LOWER orbits - in order to be more "vigilant". And in low orbits - there are "cockroaches". There, the difference between the angular velocities of the satellite and the earth's surface is hefty. Because of this, one and the same "spyen satellite" CANNOT follow one object CONTINUOUSLY. 2-3 hours and the satellite has already "flown". And a new satellite-spyen, "taking over the watch" (if there is still such a thing!) - should already be ALWAYS (!) "Tied" to the "tracked object", moreover, perceiving this object (as a rule) in a DIFFERENT AREA ... And this is without taking into account the periodic DENSE CLOUDS. And about this problem (impossibility of continuous tracking) - "on the ground" EXCELLENTLY AWARE. And at all "not averse" those satellites at the first opportunity to fool. Indeed, during this inevitable break in tracking - the situation on the ground CHANGES (trains can accelerate, slow down, and go through a fork (who is to the right? Who is to the left?), And get up "sucks" among a dozen of them, for sure, they can change its length and the order of the wagons) - and it is not at all a fact that the new satellite CORRECTLY recognizes the tracking object transmitted to it from the "departed" satellite.
      .
      Well, that's the ideal way ...
      In a word, to guarantee the CORRECTNESS of tracking a certain composition is practically IMPOSSIBLE.
      .
      I hope that it is stated quite accessible?
      8-))
      1. 0
        13 October 2014 18: 05
        I completely agree with you, tkhonov66... I asked a question for AlexA to explain his statement. In the 80s, he accompanied B-B missiles on railway for several years. Some of them were quite large. Until now, I admire the technical measures for masking cargo, organizational measures for masking delivery. There was everything, even if I had a schedule for the passage of spy satellites. I had a guard. At one of the stations I accidentally met the crew of the BRZhK (my boobies stuck their noses where they shouldn't). Assumptions about some kind of "box" that can be installed are unrealistic, even at that time.
        1. tkhonov66
          +1
          13 October 2014 18: 19
          "...
          That was all, right down to having a timetable for passing spy satellites.
          ..."
          .
          it is not "right up".
          This is the MAIN thing that must be provided, since it is stable like a clock.
          8-)
      2. Shihamovich
        0
        13 October 2014 20: 30
        Yes, thanks, the answer was more than understandable.
      3. Shihamovich
        0
        13 October 2014 20: 48
        And in the threatened period, you can centrally paint all the trains under the BZHRK from above, massively launch the desu, fix weak sources of gamma radiation on the roofs of some of my cars. The adversary of our rolling stock will beat a lot, yes, but he will not reveal these complexes.
    3. Shihamovich
      +1
      13 October 2014 20: 28
      In the United States, with its railroad network and lack of forests, perhaps this is so. And about the failure to submit its territory to an extra nuclear strike - I agree one hundred percent. You will not argue that the use of strategic nuclear forces in the BZHRK will be quite acceptable and justified?
  31. 0
    13 October 2014 15: 33
    AlexA , absolutely agree.
  32. -5
    13 October 2014 15: 36
    Railway complexes are SIGNIFICANTLY more mobile than the supposedly mobile Topol and YARS ... However, in the presence of a "fifth column" all the delights of secrecy disappear ... Now in Russia the "fifth column" is actually stronger than the state and therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE to maintain the secrecy of the complex's location .. But even in this case, the railway complexes are better! Firstly, there are less operating costs, a greater range of movement, greater security ... The only negative, as I said, is the fifth column. You can't forbid anyone to put a LITTLE BOX in a secluded place of such a train and ... that's it! The location of the train is ALWAYS KNOWN to within a meter ... And if you try to block the work of such a box with the GLONASSES OF THE GPS, then you can give out the location of the train in the box and the GLONASS receiver can be stuck in, then no one will STOP YOUR NAVIGATION system ... Well, in general, it's clear here there are SERIOUS PROBLEMS for such weapons in the presence of the "FIFTH COLUMN" in the country.
    1. +3
      13 October 2014 16: 05
      Quote: I think so
      After all, you will not forbid anyone to put the TINY BOX in a secluded place of such a train and ... that's it!

      Chat with people who deal with civilian security systems. They will confirm to you that such boxes are calculated elementary.
      1. -2
        13 October 2014 16: 30
        For your information, I am the "people who are engaged in ..." and I can assure you that the box that is SILENT ALL TIME and the power supply of which is OFF is practically IMPOSSIBLE to detect. If you try to disable such a box with an electromagnetic pulse, then you will damage YOUR EQUIPMENT, which MIT stuffed in "Topol" and "YARS" where necessary and where not ...
        1. +1
          13 October 2014 16: 59
          Quote: I think so
          that the box that is SILENT ALL TIME and whose power is OFF
          smile
          You are about to turn on this device. Remotely or with the help of a bad boy?
          As for the equipment of the complexes, with a high degree of probability it is designed to work in a nuclear conflict, and the EMP pulse in this case is present as a side effect.
        2. tkhonov66
          +3
          13 October 2014 17: 30
          "...
          that a box that SILENTS ALL TIME and whose power is turned OFF is practically IMPOSSIBLE to detect.
          ..."
          - "Box", which should at least someday say something and say this:
          1) for a satellite;
          2) an unidirectional antenna (since with a directional antenna - there are already a lot of fuss 8-));
          - the "box" should "say" THIS "something" LOUD ENOUGH enough (for the companion to "hear" it). And since "shouting" to the satellite through 2 mm steel of the carriage wall is a very UTOPIC occupation, then
          it means to place this "box" (or its antenna) - it is necessary ON THE SURFACE of the "carriage" and preferably on its roof ...
          - And there (on the roof and not only on the roof) - a relatively small number of protruding parts. And all these details are very roughly and DURABLE made (which is a long tradition of our Railways).
          8-)
          .
          Why am I all?
          - but to the fact that all the "RETURNED" on the surface of the carriage "boxes" and other "antennas" - they are ELEMENTALLY detected by CAREFUL EXTERNAL INSPECTION, enhanced by round-the-clock multi-angle infrared video recording of everything that happens (modern video cameras are "negligible ;-) ... And moreover, perhaps, not by simple video registration, but by video recording with the mode of automatic DETECTION of all surface "neoplasms" by the method of TRIVIAL SUBTRACTING of the image of the car surface ... Are there agents-peddlers-suicides?
          8-))
          .
          - that’s all.
          8-)))
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    2. tkhonov66
      +3
      13 October 2014 18: 29
      "...
      After all, you will not forbid anyone to put a TINY BOX in a secluded place of such a train
      ..."
      .
      on these trains there are NO (!!!!) "secluded places".
      FFFERSTEIN ?!
      .
      "Secluded places" are ONLY where for the "LITTLE BOXES" NOT SUPPORTED BY THE REGULATION - SOMEONE - DOESN'T RESPOND WITH THE HEAD. Personally.
      .
      - understand? - OWN PERSONAL (!) GO-LO-VOY.
      .
      But by the way - who did not serve - that does not understand ...
      8-)
  33. -3
    13 October 2014 15: 41
    And it is especially embarrassing that such an UNRELIABLE and even Doubtful organization like MIT is taken to develop such a complex ... This will apparently be the MOST PROBLEMAL PLACE in the weapons being developed ... MIT will devour a SEA OF MONEY, spend SEA OF TIME - and as a result then it will say WELL DID NOT GET to do at least the same as "Well done".
    1. tkhonov66
      0
      13 October 2014 17: 19
      "...
      MIT will devour the SEA OF MONEY
      ..."
      .
      ANY military development - it will by definition "gobble up a sea of ​​money."
      .
      So, according to some information, EVERY (!) Resident of the USSR once gave the cost of a GAZ-24 car to the Energy-Buran program.
      1. Shihamovich
        0
        13 October 2014 20: 42
        Well, you grabbed it - GAZ-24! Even for the Apollo program, every American family (not a resident, but a household, I emphasize!) Gave ... a small refrigerator. So there is a scale - 6 landings on the moon are worth something! The energy program - Buran cost 600 million full-weight Soviet rubles - = 2 rubles 20 kopecks per person. Every Soviet person has not dined twice.
        1. tkhonov66
          0
          14 October 2014 19: 43
          "...
          600 million Soviet full-weight rubles
          ..."
          .
          - eight-))
          It seems to me that something you UNFILLED ...
          8- (

          One million two hundred thousand people worked on the "Buran" project in the 70-80s.
          For almost 10 years.
          (http://mos-podoroznik.blogspot.ru/2011/12/blog-post_18.html)
          Moreover, all tasks, including a special bolt, were scattered throughout the entire industrial complex of the country. As a result, all more or less engineering and working Russia (USSR), to one degree or another "WORKED FOR SPACE" ... Everyone knows that.

          And these were SPECIALISTS OF THE Highest qualification with furious salaries. Yes, plus travel allowance, plus daily allowance, yes, plus allowances for urgency, harmfulness, and all kinds of bonuses ... Yes, plus materials (special steels with the price of all gold); yes, plus electric power; plus accessories, yes, plus transportation, yes, plus CUSTOMER'S ACCEPTANCE, yes, plus marriage...
          http://iosifk.narod.ru/black_car_volga.pdf
          Yes, plus a free "military builder" yes plus unmeasured earthworks and FIELDS of super-strong and super-smooth concrete ...
          .
          - Money "for defense" in the USSR at that time - NOBODY COUNTED ...
          8- (
          .
          It’s enough, probably, to say that the control computer of the refueling complex has ALL SIGNALS (up to the clock signals, they were TROLLED !!!)
          http://iosifk.narod.ru/majoritar.pdf
          .
          .
          According to one of the legends with which the "Soviet space" is rich, the "Buran" program was born after Leonov and Kubasov met with the general secretary. The cosmonauts told Brezhnev that while preparing for a flight under the Soyuz-Apollo program in Houston, they accidentally saw a secret scheme: how the shuttle leaves orbit, dives to Moscow and drops a nuclear charge. Then it returns to orbit, ready, if necessary, to repeat the attack. The meeting took place in the summer of 75, and already in February 76, a secret decree of the USSR Council of Ministers was signed.

          Vladimir Alekseev, cosmonaut-researcher: "This is my opinion - this is a very successful, very powerful technical sabotage into our not very powerful industry"

          So, out of ambition, fear and the arms race, a WHOLE BRANCH of Soviet industry was born - more than a thousand two hundred enterprises - institutes, design bureaus, factories - worked on the Buran program. Gleb Lozino-Lozinsky was at the head of the new industry, where much was done for the first time. Giant launch sites for the new system were laid in the Kazakh steppe. It was necessary to re-equip the assembly and test complexes, to create an infrastructure for the landing of an orbital aircraft. The oxygen-nitrogen plant, which produces fuel components for Vostok, Voskhod and Soyuz, has also undergone reconstruction. The new carrier - it was called Energia - required more than 600 tons of liquid oxygen, many times more than the Soyuz.
          .
          Remember - HOW IT WAS ... all THIS was ...
          http://www.iosifk.narod.ru/engineer_storys.htm
          http://www.buran.ru/htm/memory11.htm
          .
          Yes, we worked - AS WE ARE.
          But we DID IT!
          .
          So in the fact that there isn’t even today in space - NO combat platforms,
          neither missile satellites, nor interceptor satellites, etc.
          - there is also a "modest" contribution of our "Buran" in this business, which - and flew only once ...
          .
          But ENOUGH AND THIS!
  34. +2
    13 October 2014 15: 57
    For example, despite the camouflage used, a train with missiles can be distinguished from civilian personnel in some specific ways.

    Technical development is moving forward. It is possible BZHRK created in the 80s will now be identified (perhaps only in good weather). Protective equipment also does not stand still. Active camouflage was previously considered fiction, now fiction is approaching reality. If for military equipment its development is associated with certain difficulties, then for the BZHRK there will be much less such difficulties.
  35. 0
    13 October 2014 16: 24
    Quote: I doubt it
    Save, conserve at least the base .... No. All gouging. The rest of the local population was stolen by tsvetmet. The rails and skeletons of the hulls as of 2010 were still standing.



    In principle, everything is so. With one exception. RT-23 UTTH “Molodets” (GRAU index - 15P961 and 15P060, START code - RS-22B and RS-22V, according to the classification of the United States and NATO - SS-24 Mod 3 and Mod 2 Scalpel) was developed and produced in Ukraine. The complex is sharpened exclusively for it. For example, a double launch car. Or a control car.
    Now think, why do we need infrastructure, sharpened by a unique rocket, if we can not produce this rocket?
  36. 0
    13 October 2014 16: 44
    It is necessary to realize the idea of ​​BZHRK since it is largely predominantly in front of mine complexes.
  37. 0
    13 October 2014 18: 39
    undoubtedly good news
  38. 0
    13 October 2014 19: 06
    If only the new BZHRK did not become a museum exhibit in a few years, like the previous one. According to murky agreements at the top for the sake of "foreign" friends :)
  39. 0
    13 October 2014 19: 23
    It is imperative to implement this project.!
    1. Shihamovich
      0
      13 October 2014 20: 44
      It is necessary to create, I agree, but it is necessary to do it as cheaply as possible, for this we need to make the most of the existing backlog.
  40. 0
    13 October 2014 19: 41
    It is a pity that they were destroyed. Now re-create. One hope is that new ones will be better than before.
    1. tkhonov66
      0
      14 October 2014 16: 18
      Do not be sorry.
      - having removed the head - they do not cry through the hair ...
      8-)
  41. cool.ya-nikola
    0
    13 October 2014 19: 48
    Gorbachev destroyed and received money from America in the form of the Nobel Prize ISKANDER25

    Hello Alexander, if only the Nobel Prize:
    “Medal of freedom to them. Franklin Delano Roosevelt » (Washington, June 1990)
    International Award to the Philadelphia Council on World Issues (1993)
    Commemorative Award “Freedom Gate” in honor of the 10th anniversary of giving Jews of the former USSR the opportunity to emigrate freely (Israel Bonds, New York, 1998)
    “Medal of Freedom” for 2008, awarded by the US National Constitutional Center, with the wording “for a courageous role in ending the Cold War.” The medal was awarded by US President George W. Bush at a ceremony in Philadelphia on September 18, dedicated to the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall. [5] [6]
    Grammy Award: Mikhail Gorbachev and Bill Clinton - for voicing the musical tale "Peter and the Wolf" 2004

    As you can see, the United States does not skimp on rewards to its agents, it is a pity that this list is not enough Order of Judah from the "grateful" Russians!
  42. Vesnjanka
    -2
    13 October 2014 20: 06
    On August 26, 2014, the Mansky railway tunnel with a length of about 2500 m was put into operation in the Sayan Mountains, namely, in the Partizansky District of the Krasnoyarsk Territory. This is not just a tunnel, it is the so-called "second line", i.e. It was laid parallel to the tunnel already existing since 1963. Located in the rock mass of the Argazinsky Pass, it can serve as an excellent shelter for any rolling stock, incl. and BZHRK.
    In August, the media reported on the opening of the Ergaki special forces training base in the Ermakovsky district of the Krasnoyarsk Territory, equipped with the latest technology and comfort. I will not say in kilometers, but from Ergakov to Argazy special forces are a stone's throw)))
    And finally, on September 24, 2014, Shoigu personally inspected the construction of a new generation military camp for the 5th separate brigade of the railway troops in Abakan. By 2015, the town should be commissioned. and it will also be at the highest level, with a pool-club, etc. Maybe all of the above is related to the BZHRK? There must be a permanent deployment point somewhere, not in the Abakan-Taishet area?
  43. +1
    13 October 2014 20: 14
    Quote: tkhonov66
    And further. DBC for satellites on stage? I do not understand, please explain why?

    Quote: Pushkar
    I asked a question for AlexA to explain his statement

    I explain. Missiles that are transported from factories or from arsenals to military units are just a piece of iron. Therefore, masking the appearance and loading and unloading operations provides the necessary stealth.
    And the BZHRK constantly emits. Heads are shining. A large number of electronic equipment is in operation, including communication equipment, which works constantly. The signals themselves are encoded, but the fact of the intensive operation of electronic equipment, completely different in spectrum and intensity from the radiation of all 5000 trains, cannot be hidden. Therefore, it is "visible". Including from the geostationary orbit.
    And further. From ZATO Zvezdny, where 52 taxiways with BZHRK were stationed, a single-track branch runs to Yug station on the highway. Including along the overpass over the federal highway Perm-Yoburg. Absolutely unguarded. So, no need to put any "boxes". And just slow down the truck under the overpass. For 10 seconds. And remotely detonate. Not necessarily under the locomotive. So much for your mobility.
    1. tkhonov66
      0
      14 October 2014 19: 54
      "...
      And BZHRK constantly radiates. Glowing heads.
      ..."
      .
      Dear, they "shine" very weakly.
      And therefore, the intensity of much LESS background cosmic radiation gets into the solid angle "to the geostationary orbit" ...
      8-))
  44. +1
    13 October 2014 20: 58
    Four trains leave the gate of the base — one with missiles, three — exact replicas. Electronics in reliable screens, the thermal signature is emitted according to the design project. Which will you explode?
    If you look at the expansion of the Minutmen-3 GIN, you will see that after 3 hours of train movement in different directions, 4 Minutemans with 12 GIN will be needed to destroy them.
    This "trifle" infuriates the staff members. So BZHRK be.
  45. 0
    13 October 2014 21: 35
    Well, if everything works out, no one in the world has anything like that.
  46. bubble82009
    0
    13 October 2014 23: 41
    robbed is all nonsense. I served at the BZHRK. Not so invulnerable. There is a problem. they were effective since there were 10 warheads on one rocket, not counting false ones. On new only 3, judging by what you write here. In one composition there were 3 launchers. That is, one train raised 30 warheads. Is the new one only 9? And where is the efficiency? Such trains also need armored trains and support trains. Well, there is one vulnerability. The enemy will strike at railway junctions. So the movement of such trains will be limited. So this technique is difficult to operate. she needs a good supply base. and maneuver.
    1. tkhonov66
      0
      14 October 2014 16: 11
      "...
      The enemy will strike at railway junctions. So the movement of such trains will be limited.
      ..."
      .
      - Dear, the movement of such trains should be unlimited, only until the "enemy" begins to "strike at the railway junctions."
      - and when he had already "started" - then the trains simply SHOOTED "at the enemy" - with a volley and FROM THE PLACE.
      - And then their mobility no longer interests anyone.
      If this is "later" - it will come even more ...
      8- (
      .
      Well, d-think, Ms. Dada ...
      .
    2. tkhonov66
      0
      14 October 2014 19: 58
      "...
      I served at the BZHRK. Not so invulnerable.
      ..."
      .
      So the stump is clear - you can break everything ...
      The question is only at the price of the question.
      8-)
      .
      And it is important that that "price" for our "sworn friends" - was for them (as they like to put it) CATEGORALLY IMPOSSIBLE ...
      .
      - the Russian land will stand and stand!
      8-))
  47. bubble82009
    +1
    13 October 2014 23: 55
    It’s not necessary to invent these monsters, but to create cruise missiles with a launch range of 5-7 thousand kilometers. That their carriers would not enter the air defense zone or anti-submarine, ship protection. The United States has a weak air defense system on the continent. The United States has mainly army air defense systems. They have no strategic systems. Air defense planes are all nonsense. They cannot protect all space. The United States is betting on intercepting our missiles at the start from PU. But they are not imprisoned for intercepting cruise missiles.
    In addition, cruise missiles can be used with either a conventional warhead or a nuclear warhead or some new warhead promising. About 500-600 of these missiles will worry the United States and Europe is very scary. Especially if they will be universal in application. Well, Europe can be kept in awe by missiles with a launch range of 2500-3500 kilometers.
    The goal for such missiles should be power plants, refineries, factories, airports, seaports, hydrological facilities. And of course the objects of the chemical and nuclear industry.
    1. stillto
      0
      17 October 2014 03: 39
      The s and we had such "winged" projects ... And after the introduction of ICBMs they sailed. Do you get it? Can't all air defense planes? And they don't need it. Where they cannot, they can missile defense with a nuclear warhead :)

      > They have no strategic systems.

      Well, they are promoting some URO ships with Aegis and SM-3 launchers as capable of shooting down spacecraft and some "ballistic targets" ... But again, the key word is "PR."

      > And, of course, chemical and nuclear facilities.

      And livestock! To the bastards ... We blow dust off the Sakharov T-50 and organize the Stalin Strait - why bother with little things :)
  48. 0
    14 October 2014 00: 32
    Squeeze USists also other "friends" and spiteful critics. If you do not want to live together, then we will become your headache.
  49. 0
    14 October 2014 03: 17
    Quote: tkhonov66
    Perform routine maintenance, maintenance work, refuel, clean, lubricate, change spare parts and so on and so forth ... And if all of this is not done, then all this is NOT WEAPON, but an YARMO on the neck of the state. Moreover, the political will, at least for the threat of its use, WAS NOT IN MEMORY.
    .
    - so that EVERYTHING IS CORRECTLY MADE ...


    "In 95, at the parliamentary hearings on the Treaty in the State Duma — I was then a deputy — we asked the co-rapporteur — First Deputy Chief of the General Staff, Colonel-General Vladimir Zhurbenko: how much money will be required to break the nuclear triad under the terms of the agreement? He answered: 5-6 trillion
    rubles annually, not counting a lot of money for the disposal of weapons prohibited by the Americans and the construction of monoblock nuclear systems. Consequently, it is necessary to add almost the same amount that the general voiced. Absolutely unbearable costs for Russia.
    The chief designer of Satan, the Scalpel, and other mine-based and railway-based nuclear weapons, which had no analogues in the world, was invited to hearings, Academician V.F. Utkin.
    He was asked: how much does the annual maintenance of the Satan and Scalpel missiles cost. He was embarrassed and answered: “It so happened that they practically do not need to be looked after, only lubricated in several places.”
    At the hearings, it turned out: the production of the Utkin missiles (including advanced ones), which were previously produced in Dnepropetrovsk, can be set up in Russia in five years — there are blueprints, a team of design engineers and golden hands of assemblers. For this work and for the maintenance of a nuclear shield with heavy
    For the hellish and invulnerable ICBMs, our country would spend five to six times less money than the hegemonists had a nightmare than to fulfill the START-2 surrender treaty.
    By the way, it seemed strange to the colleagues of Academician Vladimir Fedorovich Utkin that he, full of vigor and strength, went on vacation to Barvikha, suddenly, under mysterious circumstances,
    stayed there a couple of months before the ratification of the START-2 Treaty). "(Poltoranin" Power in TNT Equivalent ").
  50. +1
    14 October 2014 06: 22
    And why do not consider Sineva or Liner ... time-tested systems, ampoule refills.
  51. 0
    14 October 2014 08: 14
    Quote: I doubt it
    And not only Gorbachev ...
    BZHRK died at venerable GDP. The special depot existed until 2004. The GDP ended its first term. And nothing prevented the reconsideration of erroneous decisions. Save, conserve at least the base .... No. All gouging. The rest of the local population was stolen by tsvetmet. The rails and skeletons of the hulls as of 2010 were still standing.
    Now what? And now new plans, until 2020 ... Articles are positive on VO. The comments are enthusiastic and all that.
    Gentlemen, do you yourself believe that?

    Who cares, see for example http://blog.stalkersworld.ru/voennoe/zabroshennaya-voennaya-baza-bzhrk.html

    As far as I know, GDP fulfilled previously signed agreements
  52. 0
    16 October 2014 07: 54
    They say the Americans screwed themselves when our only museum train was sent for painting, they immediately started calling and asking where the museum exhibit had gone. They noticed some kind of violation of the agreements, and if they need to, they leave them without taking anyone into account. So they are doing the right thing by creating new trains, because they almost impossible to track.
  53. 0
    16 October 2014 22: 28
    Quote: La-5
    The railway tracks in the country are different and not everyone can withstand such a heavy load as the BZHRK.

    Oddly enough, including for this reason, in the eighties the railway sector was actively replaced and strengthened, new bridges were built to meet SPECIAL requirements...
    Such “militarization” only benefited the national economy.
  54. 0
    17 October 2014 13: 30
    Of course we need to create it!!!
  55. Oblozelo
    0
    17 October 2014 21: 07
    Quote: Lunaaron
    For the sake of interest, I figured out the layout of the passenger car with a rocket. Everything is located! :-))

    What did you use to weigh it? AT HOME steelyard???
  56. 0
    30 October 2014 15: 25
    good and timely thing! one drawback - the misfortune of all railway workers!
  57. 0
    1 November 2014 16: 51
    good weapons, honor and glory to our gunsmiths and designers! soldier
  58. 0
    8 November 2014 21: 52
    anyway, it's worth it. I think there is no need to discuss this issue

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