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Scow for "Mistral"

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Blog bmpd With reference to the French shiprs, reports that at the end of September the first landing boat of the type “Сhaland de TransportMateriel de Nouvelle Generation” (STM NG), built in Lorient (on STX Lorient), arrived in Saint-Nazaire. These boats will be placed in the dock-chambers of two helicopters of the type “Mistral” (Mistral), being built by the French company “STX France” for the needs of the Russian Navy.



STX Lorient received an order for the construction of boats from the main contractor under the Mistral program of the DCNS shipbuilding association last spring. Under the terms of the contract, the delivery of all 4-x boats should be completed before 1 in November 2014. It is possible that they will soon be delivered to Russia at the docks of the Vladivostok main helicopter-carrying ship. The delivery of the following 4-x boats for the "Sevastopol" is scheduled for autumn 2015.

“The CTM NG boats (Chaland de Transportport Materiel de Nouvelle Generation), developed by DCNS, represent a new project created as a result of deep reworking of the design of typical French tank landing ships of the type of STM (Сgaland de Transportport, analogue of the famous LCM type boats) , and structurally close to the new Spanish landing craft type LCM-1E. The CTM NG boat, although it remains a landing boat of the “traditional type” that “climbs” to the shore, however, has two ramps - aft and bow - and the possibility of through movement of the landed equipment on the hold of the boat, ”explains the author of the publication.

The wheelhouse with an integrated bridge is located on the starboard side of the boat. The diesel engine allows it to reach speeds up to 20 units (CTM - up to 9,5 units). The length of the body is 27 m, width is 7 m (for STM, respectively, 23,8 m and 6,3 m).

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  1. Abbra
    Abbra 10 October 2014 16: 33
    +36
    And yet I somehow don’t understand ... Can’t such a pelvis be built in Russia? Surely you can and probably better ...
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 10 October 2014 16: 33
      +5
      Quote: Abbra
      Is it really impossible to build such a pelvis in Russia?

      What about Mistral?
      1. alex-s
        alex-s 10 October 2014 16: 36
        +14
        And yet I somehow do not understand ...

        And then Taburetkin what to live on?
        1. Telakh
          Telakh 10 October 2014 16: 42
          +18
          A stool should contain the state. In places not so distant.
          1. jjj
            jjj 10 October 2014 18: 25
            +5
            This French dish has one nice bonus. Several boats lower both ramps and line up in the wake close to each other. We get a bridge of tank capacity. Four sides - count one hundred meters blocked
          2. demo
            demo 11 October 2014 12: 17
            0
            On his self-sufficiency.
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        3. siberalt
          siberalt 10 October 2014 16: 45
          +4
          Taburetkin seems to have received a good kickback for this order. Enough for the grandchildren. Will they require a rollback if they cancel the order for failure to fulfill the terms of the contract? Sarkozy started to fuss. laughing
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 10 October 2014 17: 33
            +5
            Actually, this contract (mysterious) was exclusively political and was promoted at a much higher level than Serdyukov’s level.
            1. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 10 October 2014 19: 45
              0
              Quote: Spade
              was exclusively political and promoted at a much higher level than the level of Serdyukov.

              nice to read smart and competent comments ..... although in the military topic we also acquired ... but this was the second point
        4. Lopatov
          Lopatov 10 October 2014 17: 32
          0
          Heh ... laughing What does he have to do with it?

          The contract was signed in April 2013 ... Sergey Kuzhugetovich for half a year already as a Defense Minister was ...
          1. komTMG
            komTMG 10 October 2014 17: 48
            +3
            Today they held a teleconference. Gene.Dir. Admiralty Shipyards. Head of PP And Kuzhugedovich. At 9:30, they cut down the ventilation workshop (where two orders of 636 are being built) ventilation, air to the tool and disconnected the welding equipment. For the sake of this teleconference. The oath was and will be. Why was it impossible for the head of the workshop to collect all this on the background of the big screen. Where is the construction going online? To conduct a teleconference?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 10 October 2014 18: 11
              +4
              Dear, this is normal. Shoigu loves beautiful PR since the time of Yeltsin. Maybe like the lady from Germany, the Minister of Defense there, is marking the highest position in the state?
              They should learn from each other, two boots of steam. Both creepy PR people love themselves.
              1. komTMG
                komTMG 10 October 2014 18: 20
                +1
                I agree. But the Young Lieutenant long neighing! When they brought two bar stools. To put on them the head of the PZ and Gene. Dira. ))) Both stood at attention!
          2. patap
            patap 10 October 2014 17: 53
            +2
            what are you ... people misinform either from carelessness or from ignorance or intentionally ... June 2011 if something
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 10 October 2014 18: 08
              0
              Can your source be? You do not confuse the Mistral contract with the boat contract?
          3. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 10 October 2014 19: 47
            +1
            you don’t quite own the information about the conclusion of the contract ..... during perdyukov ...... but these helicopter carriers we really have to go to the yard .... we don’t have a replacement for the BDK .... and they won’t be very soon ... it's a pity
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 10 October 2014 20: 48
              0
              Quote: Tiksi-3
              you do not quite own the information about the contract .....

              That is, you own ... If Mr. "patap" refuses to answer, please indicate when the contract for the supply of boats was signed. Pay attention: not Mistrals, but CTM NG boats
          4. demo
            demo 11 October 2014 12: 19
            0
            The signing of such a contract is accompanied by preliminary work for at least a year.
            Try to figure it out right away and into the quarry.
      2. Abbra
        Abbra 10 October 2014 16: 36
        +1
        Yes, and the Mistral is possible, and by the way, with reference to use not only in the south. As far as I remember, this whole thing was brewed under Serdyukov?
      3. enot73
        enot73 10 October 2014 16: 46
        +7
        Quote: Vladimirets
        What about Mistral?
        Mistrals were ordered in France as a handout to French President Sarkozy, for his position on the Georgian - Ossetian conflict and for Russia's support. This was written in the press and even reported on topvar.
        1. Andriuha077
          Andriuha077 10 October 2014 17: 13
          +2
          Quote: enot73
          France Sarkozy

          Nicolas Sarkozy (Fr. Nicolas Sarkozy, IFA (Fr.): [ni.kɔ.la saʁ.ko.zi]), full name Nicolas Paul Stefan Sarkozy de Nad Boca
          In March 2011, the son of former Libyan leader Saif al-Islam made a resounding statement - Muammar Gaddafi financed Sarkozy’s campaign in 2006 and allocated him money later.
          On July 1 of 2014 in Paris, Sarkozy was detained by the police, after interrogation in court he was charged with abuse of power, corruption, trade in influence during the presidential term.
          How is Serdyukov, like Medvedev and other Chubais?

          The deal with Mistrals is a direct contribution of the oligarchs (with budget money) to the destruction of Libya.
      4. Duke
        Duke 10 October 2014 17: 00
        +6
        Amphibious boats of the project 21820 "Dugong"

        The landing craft of the 21820 project “Dugong” cipher (according to NATO codification - Dyugon) is a series of the newest Russian landing craft on an air cavern, the lead ship of the series is the Ataman Platov D-105. Currently, it is the only ship built under this project and is part of the Caspian Flotilla. Today, the construction also contains the 2 boats of this project - one is being built at Vostochnaya Verf OJSC in Vladivostok, the second at Volga Shipyard OJSC in Nizhny Novgorod. Also in 2011, a contract was signed for the construction of a series of 3-x amphibious assault boats of the 21820 project at Yaroslavl Shipyard OJSC. The first of the three ships of this series was laid on the YNSSZ 18 January 2012, the ship received the name "Denis Davydov".

        The lead boat of this project was laid in 2006, and since 2010, it is part of one of the Caspian flotilla formations and was named Ataman Platov in honor of the commander of the Great Don Army, whose regiments in 1814 were in Paris and gave the French capital a new the type of catering establishments is a bistro (from the Russian word “quickly”), since the Cossacks in Parisian cafes demanded that they be served as soon as possible. It is worth noting that the landing craft laid in Yaroslavl will receive the names of the heroes of World War 1812 of the year, which in the year of its 200 anniversary seems to be really relevant. Three boats under construction in Yaroslavl will be named “Denis Davydov”, “Lieutenant Rimsky-Korsakov” and “Midshipman Lermontov”. The last two were members of the naval guard crew and participated in the 1812 campaign of the year.
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 10 October 2014 16: 37
      +5
      In Russia, you can build any modern warship, there would be political will.
      1. Manul
        Manul 10 October 2014 16: 49
        +6
        Quote: Thought Giant
        In Russia, you can build any modern warship, there would be political will.

        And power? Let’s say we began to build an analogue of Mistral. Several shipyards will make different blocks, as well as some other landing boats. Then those corvettes and submarines that are being built now, would have to be postponed? Or, again, to order abroad? Normal practice. We’ll order a couple, then we’ll start doing it ourselves. Now the main thing is to raise the fleet to the required level
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 10 October 2014 17: 21
          +1
          Quote: Manul
          And power?

          Take an interest in how our own shipyards are loaded. There is power, there is.
          1. komTMG
            komTMG 10 October 2014 17: 52
            0
            There is! But not everywhere. We have a load of 120% AB. And the Bolts are. North Shipyard lack of specialists.
          2. pilot8878
            pilot8878 10 October 2014 19: 32
            +1
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            There is power, there is.

            What about the experts? For a quarter of a century industry was ruined, just like that, there are no young people out of nowhere, and many old people have left.
          3. lelikas
            lelikas 10 October 2014 19: 45
            0
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Take an interest in how our own shipyards are loaded. There is power, there is

            Severe Chelyabinsk shipyards idle?
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 10 October 2014 19: 55
              +2
              Quote: lelikas
              Severe Chelyabinsk shipyards idle?

              Oh well :)))
      2. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 10 October 2014 19: 52
        +1
        Quote: Thought Giant
        In Russia, you can build any modern warship, there would be political will.

        and we will build any ship with a displacement equal to Mistral until 2025 .... well, if we build corvettes for 5-7 years ..... I'm talking about a shipyard in the Far East
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 10 October 2014 19: 57
          +1
          Quote: Tiksi-3
          and we will build any ship with a displacement equal to Mistral until the 2025 of the year .... well, if we build corvettes of 5-7 for years.

          There is another problem with corvettes / frigates - hulls are built quite quickly (look how long it costs "Gorshkov"), but armament / equipment ...
          And Mistral is a corps. So that is all.
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    4. donavi49
      donavi49 10 October 2014 16: 39
      +15
      You can, for this you need:

      the project is new - Dugong does not climb, and chamois climb, but they are not end-to-end, so it will be possible to download only 2 from 4, without lengthy procedures (release the far empty row, load the near row, release it loaded, launch the far row that was released into the camera dock first, load it, release it and only then get 4 ready boats with cargo).

      Design such a boat 1,5-2 of the year + build 1,5-2 of the year and if the sores do not climb on Duogon. Total Mistral will be waiting for these boats, which in themselves will be very expensive. It's really cheaper to buy here.
      1. Manul
        Manul 10 October 2014 17: 38
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        You can, for this you need:

        the project is new - Dugong does not climb, and chamois climb, but they are not end-to-end, so it will be possible to download only 2 from 4, without lengthy procedures (release the far empty row, load the near row, release it loaded, launch the far row that was released into the camera dock first, load it, release it and only then get 4 ready boats with cargo).
        Design such a boat 1,5-2 of the year + build 1,5-2 of the year and if the sores do not climb on Duogon. Total Mistral will be waiting for these boats, which in themselves will be very expensive. It's really cheaper to buy here.

        hi I see you understand. Then, judge me and Andrei from Chelyabinsk - can we build an analogue of Mistral at existing empty shipyards.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 10 October 2014 19: 31
          +1
          There are no shipyards ready for construction. Everything is either loaded with an order (ready-made, cooperation, commerce), or they can’t take over the construction without a large-scale modernization program, but here are the jambs, because this is the case for 5-7 years, the same cranes in line, 1000 ton Goliath, the British 6 years since China was waiting for their new aircraft carriers. You can, of course, dazzle activities, such as the Far Eastern 20380 - and let's build, and then we'll see as a result of 10 years from bookmark to descent, and the price is near space. This is the first.

          Second, the general said of the Nevsky Design Bureau:
          MOSCOW, February 3 - RIA Novosti. The promising large landing ship (BDK) of the new generation will cost about 20 billion rubles and will differ significantly in its appearance from the ships of the current generation, Sergei Vlasov, general director of OJSC Nevskoye PKB, said in an interview with RIA Novosti.
          "The creation of such a ship will take 7-8 years, it all depends on the size, financing and the availability of cooperation. Such a ship will cost about 20 billion rubles", - said Vlasov.
          He noted that the new BDK will be a more versatile vehicle for equipment based on it and in terms of landing methods. At the same time, the general configuration of the promising "paratrooper" will be about the same, just outwardly it may look more like the "Mistral", or its superstructure will be shifted towards the bow, and the stern section will be open.
          "The options may be different, depending on what characteristics are set by the fleet. <...> We have achievements, we reported them to the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy at a conference at the Kuznetsov Naval Academy, but so far there has been no further progress", - added the general director of Nevsky PKB.

          РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140203/992718839.html#ixzz3EJI5VjB4
        2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 10 October 2014 19: 54
          +1
          Quote: Manul
          Then judge me and Andrey from Chelyabinsk

          In my opinion, there is some misunderstanding
          Quote: Manul
          can we build an analogue of Mistral at existing empty shipyards.

          There are probably no free shipyards for Mistral analogues. But we are talking about scows for Mistral! Or did I misunderstand you?
          1. yehat
            yehat 10 October 2014 21: 41
            0
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

            There are probably no free shipyards for Mistral analogues.

            here the size of the free shipyard and the development of work on it are important.
            it’s very difficult to build a ship even at a suitable shipyard, if it has been idle for a long time.
            Yes, and now the main shipyards are not in the best climate, it was not in vain that large ships wanted to be built in the Crimea.
        3. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 10 October 2014 19: 56
          0
          Quote: Manul
          unloaded shipyards to build an analogue of Mistral

          name 1 not loaded shipyard which can start the construction of a ship of equal displacement Mistral within 2 months ??
    5. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 10 October 2014 16: 40
      +1
      Quote: Abbra
      Is it really impossible to build such a pelvis in Russia?

      Can. But all this is long. Design. Create documentation and a bunch of other work. And here most of it is already ready. It remains to build. Moreover, it is included in the total cost of the Mistral. This is a kit! And our existing ones do not fit in size.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 10 October 2014 16: 44
        +1
        Chamois are suitable, but they are not cross-cutting - which means they will create huge hemorrhoids at work.
        1. HollyGremlin
          HollyGremlin 10 October 2014 17: 12
          0
          Hmm, then it would be possible to optimize: 2 such, 2 such. All the same, I think it's just a matter of complete.
    6. asadov
      asadov 10 October 2014 16: 46
      0
      and how then to wash money and wash off? This violates all modern Russian laws of the budgetary distribution of trusted money. Why should our engineers and workers be overworked? It is necessary in general by all means to free them from work and provide three days off instead of two.
    7. Altona
      Altona 10 October 2014 16: 50
      -1
      Quote: Abbra
      And yet I somehow don’t understand ... Can’t such a pelvis be built in Russia? Surely you can and probably better ...

      ------------------
      They are building ... "Denis Davydov" is called, project 21820 ... And our speed is higher ... And this vessel along the way with two ramps, front and rear ... And that the form is simple, like "Liberty ", body by trough ...
      1. 17085
        17085 10 October 2014 18: 30
        +6
        Type of liberty? Called Find 100500 Differences ...
        The scow is said - it means a punt, pumped out the water, it stands on the deck, the dugong will not stand, it is not a scow. Eh ... black oil fuel ..
        1. Altona
          Altona 10 October 2014 19: 49
          0
          Quote: 17085
          Type of liberty? Called Find 100500 Differences ...
          The scow is said - it means a punt, pumped out the water, it stands on the deck, the dugong will not stand, it is not a scow. Eh ... black oil fuel ..

          ---------------------
          All one trough ... Only with landing ramps ...
        2. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 10 October 2014 19: 59
          -1
          Quote: 17085
          Eh ... black oil fuel ..

          +100% ....))
        3. Altona
          Altona 10 October 2014 20: 16
          0
          Quote: 17085
          Eh ... black oil fuel ..

          -----------------------
          In general, I reasoned as a technologist, and not for geometry as such ... For the laconically simple slaughter of forms, the cat is Matroskin ... Vessels of the "Liberty" type are known for their simple technological construction, first of all, which simplified their replication and changing cargo characteristics. If you think like a sailor and type of expert, then you should not start with reproaches ...
          1. 17085
            17085 11 October 2014 11: 29
            0
            Sorry for the somewhat late answer, but how do you look at the level of technology? Are you sure that this scandal is hollow inside, maybe (and this is fashionable now) it is filled with polyurethane foam in general, i.e. 100% unsinkable, of course you can destroy everything, but to sink, like a dugong, with one direct hit is not possible. Yes, and I'm not a sailor, but a nobleman. I’m kindly asking you in PM, if you dig around you can find comments on the dugong, I personally know the engineers from the eastern shipyards, they’re working on it ...
    8. Petrovich1952
      Petrovich1952 10 October 2014 17: 42
      0
      And yet I somehow don’t understand ... Can’t such a pelvis be built in Russia? Surely you can and probably better ... All questions to Serdyukov.
    9. avt
      avt 10 October 2014 18: 58
      0
      Quote: Abbra
      And yet I somehow do not understand ...

      And what is there to understand that! ?? This is all - "Mistral" and the boats were designed as a UNIFIED SYSTEM, so what is included in the system and does not fit into the dock camera everything foreign, not, of course, can be crammed, but it will not fit so nicely and neatly. said at the very beginning. By the way, this applies to helicopters too.
    10. lelikas
      lelikas 10 October 2014 19: 42
      0
      Quote: Abbra
      Surely you can and probably better ...

      I will not delve into comparisons - somewhere on the forum there is my post - everything that our offered turned out to be worse.
    11. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 10 October 2014 19: 43
      0
      Quote: Abbra
      Is it really impossible to build such a pelvis in Russia?

      probably you can ..... just do not build something ... but why ??
      1. kodxnumx
        kodxnumx 10 October 2014 23: 11
        0
        We’ll wait at our moorings, these two ships! And where will they go, because they are ours laughing
  2. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 10 October 2014 16: 35
    +1
    Hello! Frenchmen stirred! What would it mean ???
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 10 October 2014 16: 46
      +3
      Quote: ISKANDER25
      What would it mean?

      Hello! And that means that the deadlines are coming to an end. 20 days left. So people work. And nonhumans threaten sanctions.
      1. ISKANDER25
        ISKANDER25 10 October 2014 16: 53
        0
        Hello Eugene! Today, the site did not have a discussion on strong pitching during sea trials, what do you say about this ??? THANKS hi
        Marriage or defect?
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 10 October 2014 17: 37
          0
          Quote: ISKANDER25
          what do you say about this ???

          I expressed my opinion there. laughing
          The vessel is high, the center of gravity is high, as if a changeling with it, loaded, on occasion did not happen!
  3. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 10 October 2014 16: 35
    +3
    and the Mistrals are still gone and gone .. Holland is a pederast and the Amer’s puppet is cowardly ...
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 10 October 2014 16: 42
      +3
      Quote: el.krokodil
      and the Mistral

      Dismount not a nada. There is still enough time until November 1. Be patient.
  4. pensioner
    pensioner 10 October 2014 16: 35
    +2
    If anything, then this boat can be sent to France for money (contract + penalty). Judging by the size, that's it. A lot of money.
  5. Magic archer
    Magic archer 10 October 2014 16: 35
    +2
    The conclusion suggests itself. The French will sell us the Mistral. Here the mattresses will be delighted)
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 10 October 2014 16: 39
      +3
      The French will sell us the Mistral

      I would not want to. And given the problems with pitching, due to the increase in the height of the helicopter hangar, a refusal to deliver is preferable. It’s time we’d already be thinking how to beat out the forfeit bully
      1. ISKANDER25
        ISKANDER25 10 October 2014 16: 55
        +1
        Hello Alexey! Here I am too !!! hi +
  6. Stanislav 1978
    Stanislav 1978 10 October 2014 16: 37
    0
    Judging by the size, it’s not so roomy, this scandal.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 10 October 2014 16: 46
      +2
      More Chamois, and even Chamois, a large% of the area occupied by the superstructure.
  7. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 10 October 2014 16: 39
    +6
    Landing rams for a significant part of the time are engaged in cargo transportation from ship to shore and back, from ship to ship, including using the cargo arrows of merchant ships. Such a nondescript cutter can transport about 100 tons of cargo in one go, without particularly bothering with moorings - this is a pair of wagons with ammunition, for example.
    However, "Gorshkov" is also finishing demagnetization and it's time for him to try the salty sea.

    1. Saburo
      Saburo 10 October 2014 17: 31
      +1
      My God, the A-192M was born like that! I haven't been following "Gorshkov" for a long time, but here on you.
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 10 October 2014 19: 47
        0
        Quote: Saburo
        My God, the A-192M was born like that! I haven't been following "Gorshkov" for a long time, but here on you.

        More than a month like.
  8. Abbra
    Abbra 10 October 2014 16: 39
    0
    Judging by the size - this is a miscarriage from Mistral))))
    1. vinc
      vinc 10 October 2014 16: 48
      0
      And judging by the appearance of a cousin Renault Logan. As if with wooden hammers from a piece of stone planed.
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  9. Wiruz
    Wiruz 10 October 2014 16: 40
    -1
    But what, are two Dugongs not able to get into the dock chamber of Mistral? They seem to be any better than these boats smile
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 10 October 2014 16: 49
      +2
      No, only 1 dugong or 4 chamois. These are cross-cutting (you can load all 4 in the dock camera) and they have more usable area than chamois.
    2. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 10 October 2014 17: 03
      +5
      Alas, DKA pr. 21820 "Dugong": length 45 m; width - 8,6 m; draft - 2,2 m. Airborne capacity: 3 main T-72 tanks or 5 BTR-80 and 50 people or 1 armored vehicle and 90 people or 140 tons of cargo.
      http://russian-ships.info/boevye/21820.htm


      Landing boats of the CTM NG project: length-27 m (maximum); width - 7 m (largest).
      Those. "Dugong" is 1, 7 times longer and 1,2 times wider than "Frenchman". That is, only one such boat can enter the Mistral dock. In addition, there is a suspicion that its draft of 2,2 meters is too large (for French boats this figure does not exceed 1,6 m). Plus, so far we have only one "Dugong" in service - "Ataman Platov" at the KFL. "Ivan Kartsov", undergoing tests at the Pacific Fleet, will probably go to Vietnam
      The landing boat "Ivan Kartsov", which is being tested in the Pacific Ocean, may be exported to Vietnam.
      The newspaper "Krasnaya Zvezda" was informed about this by the representative of the Yaroslavl shipyard Vladimir Popov.

      http://flot.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=171190

      Of ours, only DKA pr.1176 "Akula" could compete with him: length - 24 m; width - 5,2 m; draft - 1,55 m. But it has already become obsolete - they have been under construction since 1971, and besides, it takes half the cargo: 1 main T-72 tank or 2 GAZ-66 trucks or 20 people or 50 tons of cargo.
      http://russian-ships.info/boevye/1176.htm


      Landing boat project 11770 "Serna" is a ship in an air cavity, which allows it to reach high speeds - up to 30 knots. But this is provided that it is empty. At full displacement and waves, this is only 8 knots. And 27 knots with waves up to 3 points are achieved with a load of up to 29 tons (2 armored personnel carriers without landing). The maximum weight of transported goods is up to 45 tons. That is, in the best case, he will take on board 2 armored personnel carriers with a landing party or 1 MBT (and the T-90A will already be in overload). The dimensions of the boat are 25,8 x 5,8 m, that is, theoretically, 4 of these can be placed in the Mistral. However, in reality it is impossible even one thing - the fact is that the total height of the "Serna" is 9,6 meters, which is almost one and a half meters higher than the maximum allowable height.

      Other projects: 12061 "Murena" and 02320 "Kazak" are still on paper.
  10. RUSS
    RUSS 10 October 2014 16: 40
    +1
    Again this "swing" with Mistral, we get-well, if not even better!
  11. An60
    An60 10 October 2014 16: 40
    0
    On the scow they have already written "DK". It is necessary to add "im.Dzerzhinsky".
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 10 October 2014 19: 51
      0
      Quote: An60
      On the scow they have already written "DK". It is necessary to add "im.Dzerzhinsky".

      Not Not Not - It is necessary to add the BF - And to see what tons of bricks will give out to the mountain, all of our Baltic neighbors will be enough for the Ukrainian sheds on the wall.
  12. Lissyara
    Lissyara 10 October 2014 16: 44
    +2
    The photo is spectacular. Scarlet Sails. Hmmm ... If Assol saw such a household on the horizon, she would definitely drown herself. "And this abyss swallowed them ... both."
    And they say that the French are a highly artistic nation.
    As for me, it looks more like Pinocchio, which was cut with an ax, but forgot about file-knives. winked
  13. Abbra
    Abbra 10 October 2014 16: 45
    +3
    The boats CTM NG (Сhaland de Тransport Мateriel de Nouvelle Generation), developed by DCNS, represent a new project created as a result of a deep redesign of the design of standard French tank landing boats - "scow" type STM (Сhaland de Тransport Мateriel, an analogue of the famous boats of the type LCM), and are structurally close to the new Spanish landing craft of the LCM-1E type. The CTM NG boat, although it remains a landing boat of the "traditional" type, "climbs" ashore, however, has two ramps - aft and a bow - and the ability to move the dropped equipment through the hold of the boat. A small wheelhouse with an integrated bridge is installed on the starboard side of the boat. A powerful diesel power plant provides the CTM NG boat with a full speed of up to 20 knots (while the STM boats develop no more than 9,5 knots). The length of the CTM NG steel hull is 27 m, the width is 7 m (for STM boats, the hull length is 23,8 m and the width is 6,3 m).

    THAT WHAT IT IS FOR CHALAND ...
  14. romashki74
    romashki74 10 October 2014 16: 48
    0
    Eeeeehh ... How are we going to live without ihonny miNstrali now .... I’ll go to the swamp, the volume of zhabonyat! wassat
  15. Vyacheslav 64
    Vyacheslav 64 10 October 2014 16: 49
    0
    It’s even interesting to see how the French will refuse the entire contract and pay the whole penalty!
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 10 October 2014 20: 06
      -1
      Quote: Vyacheslav 64
      so the French will refuse the entire contract and pay the whole penalty!

      if they spit on a contract, then they will not give a damn about contract forfeit!
  16. DMB 1995
    DMB 1995 10 October 2014 16: 49
    +2
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Quote: Abbra
    Is it really impossible to build such a pelvis in Russia?

    What about Mistral?

    A rollback?
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 10 October 2014 16: 56
      -1
      Yes ... I did not think about that.
  17. Alexander
    Alexander 10 October 2014 16: 49
    -2
    what a shame !!!!
  18. wow
    wow 10 October 2014 16: 55
    -2
    Right! Some trough !!!
    1. Ryndabul
      Ryndabul 10 October 2014 18: 41
      +1
      Have you seen donkey? Do you know? So, these "Frenchies" - that is, donkeys! They will load the donkey up to his ears, and even the owner will perch on the sacrum and poke with a stick .. And he, donkey, know to yourself - tinkling and tinkling - and he is lucky ... It is not in vain that so many monuments have been erected to this animal. Can we make such a Frenchman, design? Until now, they have not been designed. Why? Yes, because it is a purely functionally attached pontoon. To the Mistral. (Or "Mistroal" in size to four pontoons wassat ) And we have "Mistrals" - the first. If there are more, of course. And, most likely, the latter. Making a one-time project for them is expensive and pointless. In any case, it is better to buy scows, ready-made and "attached" to the UDC complex. And beauty to them ... They don't need it in FIG. They need load capacity multiplied by optimal functionality. True, someone noticed on this occasion that beauty lies in simplicity.
  19. Viktor Kudinov
    Viktor Kudinov 10 October 2014 16: 59
    0
    recourse "Mistrals" are almost ours. "We need to think about what to do with them. Perhaps, carry tourists?
  20. Makarov
    Makarov 10 October 2014 17: 01
    0
    in short: "Weight goes according to plan" (C)))
  21. victorrat
    victorrat 10 October 2014 17: 09
    +5
    Lord! What are you talking about? You really don’t know why the contract with France is signed? And then Taburetkin?
    And what are the names Putin and Sarkozy talking about? Putin thanked Sarkozy with this contract for helping against the United States. That's all. And about the construction in Russia. So of course you can. But when? And technology will obviously not hurt us.
    And now the butch stage is clearly on our side. Because France is in an awkward position)))
    They won’t give us back - a large fine. And NATO will give everything to spit on it)))
  22. 4thParasinok
    4thParasinok 10 October 2014 17: 13
    -1
    Quote: Manul
    Quote: Thought Giant
    In Russia, you can build any modern warship, there would be political will.

    And power? Let’s say we began to build an analogue of Mistral. Several shipyards will make different blocks, as well as some other landing boats. Then those corvettes and submarines that are being built now, would have to be postponed? Or, again, to order abroad? Normal practice. We’ll order a couple, then we’ll start doing it ourselves. Now the main thing is to raise the fleet to the required level

    Actually, 5 years ago we could pull such a project (the question is, does this Mistral need it ???), but after the Moscow Region refused to pay for the intermediate stages of production, it refused to pay the prepayment prescribed in the contract, and then through the courts it demanded to return the money that should have been but for some reason we haven’t entered the factories (except for Pitirsky) we can’t. Just remember the story of the plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, when the directors were closed in jail because he said that the plant was physically unable to fulfill the state order due to the fact that the Moscow Region did not transfer the money laid out under the contract for a year, there was nothing to pay wages, no money materials. The plant then just stood up. And Medveput had a hand in the collapse of shipbuilding.
  23. yehat
    yehat 10 October 2014 17: 16
    0
    the question is a little off topic, but it’s very interesting to understand:

    when Mistral sailed to St. Petersburg, I examined him with a group of journalists (by chance)
    and didn’t understand one thing - he has a tall side, floors 8-9, but at the same time along the sides there are a lot of all sorts of notches in the hull not very high above the water. Moreover, the equipment’s resistance to storm waves there is very doubtful - what are the glass doors at the gangway, which resemble the entrance to a 5-star hotel.
    Tell me, what is the reason for such a high side height and why are the French so easy to fill low-lying recesses in the hull?

    ps this is what hit me with Mistral in terms of high technology - the speakerphone throughout the ship is audible clearly and without distortion, even at a distance of 40-50 meters from the ship.
    What a striking contrast with our metro and buses (and ships too) !!!
    1. Ryndabul
      Ryndabul 10 October 2014 18: 56
      0
      Once I happened to be a participant in the delivery of a large (both literally and in the service sense) staff officer to the Moscow helicopter carrier. "Moscow is also a large ship, and its sides are still ... So, for such cases it has, as you put it, a recess in the side (in the stern), leading directly to the lower decks (in the stern of the ship, relatively low above the waterline) .But there was a storm, points 6, our boat almost put it on the bottom. It was pointless to throw out the fenders so as not to knock on the stern. And then a shot with a storm ladder was put forward from the side. In short, they tied (nailed) the officer to the cradle and lifted him to the upper deck.There is still a picture in front of his eyes, how he, the poor, dangled in the wind ... For such a case, it seems to me, as well as for loading on board products and other cargo from pontoon ships are needed, as you have deigned to put it, these seizures ... If any of the naval ones knows what they are called - add, we did not have them on the ship.
  24. saag
    saag 10 October 2014 17: 26
    -1
    on such a boat the sailors will earn extra money by transport :-)
  25. fridge
    fridge 10 October 2014 17: 34
    0
    I wonder what will be the fate of Mistral? He is born as an unwanted "child". I agree with Konstantin Sivkov that we do not need this trough. With this money, other and very useful and necessary systems could be purchased.
  26. navara399
    navara399 10 October 2014 17: 38
    0
    What muck, what muck this all your filth ... "Chandal de Transport Material de Nouvelle Generation".
  27. samoletil18
    samoletil18 10 October 2014 18: 19
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    I'm not good at BDK and scows. But the continuation of the work is moving towards the acquisition of the Mistrals by Russia. And then let the specialists think how to shoe this flea so that it works well with us.
  28. Iskander 090
    Iskander 090 10 October 2014 20: 22
    0
    why the heck are these mistals - pick up poop and money
  29. Demob 2012
    Demob 2012 10 October 2014 22: 08
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    Quote: Novel 1977
    Landing boat project 11770 "Serna" is a ship in an air cavity, which allows it to reach high speeds - up to 30 knots. But this is provided that it is empty. At full displacement and waves, this is only 8 knots. And 27 knots with waves up to 3 points are achieved with a load of up to 29 tons (2 armored personnel carriers without landing). The maximum weight of transported goods is up to 45 tons. That is, in the best case, he will take on board 2 armored personnel carriers with a landing party or 1 MBT (and the T-90A will already be in overload). The dimensions of the boat are 25,8 x 5,8 m, that is, theoretically, 4 of these can be placed in the Mistral. However, in reality it is impossible even one thing - the fact is that the total height of the "Serna" is 9,6 meters, which is almost one and a half meters higher than the maximum allowable height.


    But in my opinion, there is no problem in the production of landing boats, hulls can be stamped at any plant in their free time, in the form of a hobi. In appearance, it very much resembles a ferry boat, which hundreds travel along the rivers of the country. Yes, and the height is not a problem, the mast on almost all civilian ships is lowered.
  30. Azovian
    Azovian 10 October 2014 23: 20
    0
    Glory to the great Minister of Defense Perdyukov, who ordered such soap dishes ... * A, didn’t anyone already read the order? Or did the brains rise completely? Survived ...