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Anatoly Wasserman: "The police can not stand at every corner"

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Anatoly Wasserman: "The police can not stand at every corner"New participants are joining the discussion about the possibility and necessity of legalizing a shortbridge

According to media reports, the State Duma offered to expand the right of citizens to apply weapon for self defense. The corresponding bill was prepared by a deputy from the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia Igor Lebedev.

On the pages of KM.RU, we have repeatedly raised the topic of self-defense and the issue of legalizing the carrying of short-barreled weapons.

Today, the well-known analyst Anatoly Wasserman joined the discussion and dismantled the most common arguments of opponents of short-bar legalization.

In Moldova and Estonia extremely liberalized the rules of self-defense

- The argument that our people just give them a weapon, and they will shoot each other, refers only to the rubber-shooter. He is declared safe and therefore flooded as often as his fists. Criminals are afraid of a rubber-shot as little as kulaks, and a serious self-defense weapon should be such that both parties treat it with respect. Such weapons in our country are a dime a dozen, the total number of barrels from 5 to 10 million.

As world statistics show, 1 from 10 dies when hit by a pistol, and 1 from 10 survives when hit from a shotgun. Many hunting rifles are modifications of sniper weapons with a range of about 1 km and more, with optical sights, and so on. With such a colossal arsenal, only a few hundred crimes involving legal weapons are committed in the country every year. The lion’s share is simply a violation of the rules of storage.

In Moldova and Estonia extremely liberalized the rules of self-defense. The peoples are different, but in both republics, violent crime (with the appearance of a significant number of short-barrels) fell at the same pace and faster than in other countries of the former USSR.

The next argument of opponents of armed civil defense is that citizens are obliged to protect the state. Yes, in general, of course, I must. But back in 30-ies, the Supreme Court of the United States of America recognized that even the most well-organized police could not prevent all violent crimes.

Police can not stand at every corner. The likelihood that a representative of law enforcement agencies will be in the place of a violent crime is negligible. But on this place there is always a victim, therefore the society is obliged to give it the opportunity not to be a victim.

The persons issuing certificates understand what they will have to answer for.

The third argument: the weapon will be sold to anyone, and potential criminals will buy it. When selling firearms, test shooting is done, and bullet and cartridge case samples are stored in card files. Shooting from a registered weapon is the same as leaving your fingerprints at the crime scene. That is why all over the world the overwhelming majority of crimes involving the use of a firearm are committed from weapons from the black market, that is, unregistered. Those crimes that are committed from legal weapons are disclosed almost instantly.

In the Russian Federation, there is a fairly reliable system of preliminary verification of the sanity and legal capacity of those who sell firearms. Numerous rumors that, they say, the medical certificate for the purchase of weapons issued to the one who should not be issued, were invariably checked. And invariably they turned out to be rumors devoid of a real basis.

True, there is one defect in the test system: the person who received the weapon is completely legal, then he became upset by reason and committed a crime in a dim state. Now this system is being finalized so that such cases would be practically excluded. By the way, those issuing certificates understand what they will have to answer for if they issue a certificate to the wrong person.

Finally, the last argument: people will buy weapons, but they will not know how to handle them and will start shooting at random. Now rubber shooters and hunting weapons are sold to those who have completed the course. In order to purchase a short-haul, you will also need to undergo the appropriate course and regular retraining with a re-examination.
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  1. Strezhevsky
    Strezhevsky 9 October 2014 14: 35
    +6
    Damn, when you already calm down with these farts !!!!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 October 2014 14: 49
      +26
      Quote: Strezhevsky
      Damn, when you already calm down with these farts !!!!

      The USSR, it never crossed my mind from my friends that we need pistols.
      I’ve been living without a gun for 38 years and I try ... I don’t need it!
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 9 October 2014 14: 51
        +31
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I’ve been living without a gun for 38 years and I try ... I don’t need it!


        I live without a gun for 35 years and I need it.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 October 2014 14: 57
          +17
          Quote: RUSS

          I live without a gun for 35 years and I need it.

          Yes old man, how did you live all these 35 years without a gun recourse
          Sorry, will have to live as much without him laughing
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 9 October 2014 15: 13
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes old man, how did you live all these 35 years without a gun
            Sorry, will have to live as much without him


            It’s hard to live, I can’t sleep laughing if there’s a pistol, then they can only punish him, but I want to live by the law ....
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 9 October 2014 15: 15
              +2
              Quote: RUSS
              there is a pistol then only they can punish him

              Good, great! Dulak from the computer is inevitable, we are waiting for guests.
              And the request to assist the investigation, and the lawyer, tinkle, will soon be needed wink
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 9 October 2014 15: 22
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Good, great! Dulak from the computer is inevitable, we are waiting for guests.
                And the request to assist the investigation, and the lawyer, tinkle, will soon be needed


                Alexander do not scare me laughing Are you a freelancer? bully
              2. Buran
                Buran 9 October 2014 15: 36
                +10
                He already has an application for "voluntary surrender" without number, they will start knocking on the door, they will set a date. The law is observed!
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 9 October 2014 15: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: Buran
                  He already has an application for "voluntary surrender" without number, they will start knocking on the door, they will set a date. The law is observed!


                  It should be noted that I hadn’t thought of it before ....
                  1. Buran
                    Buran 9 October 2014 15: 40
                    +4
                    The good old 90s - it came from there. wink
                    1. Passer
                      Passer 9 October 2014 23: 05
                      +1
                      Quote: Buran
                      The good old 90s - it came from there.

                      Yes, there were funny times. I had Nagan and Walter.
                      What is the coolest thing, Nagan gopniks took away in the gateway at night, did not even have time to twitch. wassat
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        2. Strezhevsky
          Strezhevsky 9 October 2014 15: 12
          +3
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I’ve been living without a gun for 38 years and I try ... I don’t need it!


          I live without a gun for 35 years and I need it.

          Buy a grenade, the effect is amazing, a lot of benefits)))
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 9 October 2014 15: 23
            +2
            Quote: Strezhevsky
            Buy a grenade, the effect is amazing, a lot of benefits)))


            If you just jam the fish, but I'm not a poacher, I’m kind of old-fashioned with a fishing rod.
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 9 October 2014 15: 41
            +1
            Quote: Strezhevsky
            Buy a grenade, the effect is amazing, a lot of benefits)))


            Are you special on grenades? Tell me what is better to take: RGD-33 or F-1?
            1. aleks 62
              aleks 62 9 October 2014 16: 26
              +2
              ..... If you take safes - then F-1, and so RGD is better, safer .... laughing
            2. ronin
              ronin 9 October 2014 16: 27
              +3
              RGD - 5. Simple and tasteful bully
            3. ronin
              ronin 9 October 2014 16: 28
              +1
              RGD - 5. Simple and tasteful bully
          3. aleks 62
            aleks 62 9 October 2014 16: 25
            +2
            ...... Defective fuses come across ..... Maybe tear off tomatoes ... wink
        3. Baron Ungern
          Baron Ungern 9 October 2014 16: 04
          +13
          Right! Weapons do not need a coward who, at the slightest threat, plans to flee. A Russian man’s weapon is simply necessary, he must fight back not only when attacking himself and his family, but also for someone else’s person who is being pressed into the gateway. Without a weapon, this is problematic. But the proud people are extremely dangerous to our rulers! Therefore, they will not give Russian weapons (until they take revenge as in New Russia).
          1. aleks 62
            aleks 62 9 October 2014 16: 28
            +1
            ..... Buy Osu and some nice sneakers .... wink
      2. major1976
        major1976 9 October 2014 15: 32
        +16
        If you don’t want it or you personally don’t need a gun, don’t buy it! It’s good to have a choice if you want to take it, if you want it, don’t take it! This is also how you have your own opinion!
      3. Sanglier
        Sanglier 9 October 2014 15: 40
        +16
        I live longer and I need weapons. Not permanently, but necessary. On dangerous trips and "hikes" helps out.
      4. iConst
        iConst 9 October 2014 16: 00
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I’ve been living without a gun for 38 years and I try ... I don’t need it!

        Quote: RUSS
        I live without a gun for 35 years and I need it.

        And I've been living without a gun all my life - but what the hell is purcua pa?
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 9 October 2014 16: 17
          +1
          Quote: iConst
          And I've been living without a gun all my life - but what the hell is purcua pa?


          For members of the forum: "purkua pa" translation - "why not."
          1. iConst
            iConst 9 October 2014 16: 19
            +3
            Quote: RUSS
            Quote: iConst
            And I've been living without a gun all my life - but what the hell is purcua pa?


            For members of the forum: "purkua pa" translation - "why not."

            For this, they often say "purkua would not pa" laughing
      5. aleks 62
        aleks 62 9 October 2014 16: 23
        -1
        ..... With all due respect to Wasserman, I am against !!!!! ..... I ran to the little fisherman ..... I can’t see these farts !!!!! hi
        1. iConst
          iConst 9 October 2014 16: 33
          +3
          Quote: aleks 62
          Shot before the little fisherman ..... I can not see these farts !!!!!

          Well, no one is captive. Give to others - you look and everyone, having shot at, will become pacifists ... laughing
          1. aleks 62
            aleks 62 9 October 2014 16: 57
            0
            ...... Let them shoot at the shooting range ..... It's safer .... For everyone .... hi
            1. mazhnikof.Niko
              mazhnikof.Niko 9 October 2014 18: 19
              0
              Quote: aleks 62
              ...... Let them shoot at the shooting range ..... It's safer .... For everyone ...


              ... For all ... long armed bandits!
        2. Vorlon
          Vorlon 9 October 2014 16: 47
          0
          With all due respect to you - a minus. You shot (I shot with a machine gun). The meaning of the article is different. Recently I watched the magazine "Around the World" (on an Internet in the archive, so as not to be unfounded http://www.vokrugsveta.ru/vs/article/7861/). Here are the statistics of the murders. It will save someone's life. Do not look at the fart smile look at flowers and other things nice looking love
          1. aleks 62
            aleks 62 9 October 2014 17: 00
            -4
            The meaning of the article is different. ....
            ..... The meaning of the article is to everyone along the trunk !!!!! And by the way, you don’t have to hold on .... Gum on the article 50 to 50 with a fatal .... If this goes so, then the next step is for each machine, the next one for each large-caliber ..... next RPG ... .
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      6. Yura
        Yura 9 October 2014 16: 36
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I’ve been living without a gun for 38 years and I try ... I don’t need it!

        For me, for example, the presence of such an object is not a topic at all for what I would rack my brains, there isn’t either, for me it is important that from the moment of my birth they consider me as someone who is ready to wave it everywhere, not to use the case for drunk or simply because I am a nerd, and therefore I am for the right to have these weapons. There was a moment in my life, an uncharged single-barrel helped me and my family avoid pretty big troubles.
      7. fif21
        fif21 9 October 2014 18: 24
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I’ve been living without a gun for 38 years and I try ... I don’t need it!
        And the state needs to sell the PMs we’ll remove from weapons! Not patriotic old man, you need to help the state! Do you want, do not want and take a couple wassat
      8. Per se.
        Per se. 10 October 2014 07: 02
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The USSR, it never crossed my mind from my friends that we need pistols.
        Because morality and culture were higher in society. Now it is difficult to explain to people with too healthy egoism that this problem cannot be solved with a pistol, but that it can only be aggravated by fighting the investigation, and, adding to the danger from bandits, the danger from armed inhabitants. It is a pity that Wasserman took the "dark side" and twisted his heart, in the same Moldova the number of victims in everyday life with weapons increased. He cannot help but understand that help for weapons is not a panacea. Someone really needs to drag into Russia the rights of armed organizations, analogs of "dark water" and breed new sheriffs who understand the law because of their greed, cowardice and selfishness.
    2. Buran
      Buran 9 October 2014 14: 57
      0
      How can? All hoteliers for the most part, at heart, are not talking about safety, but about cheap show-offs. Play and throw, forgetting where. And how many lives and destinies it will cripple. Before you start talking about pieces of iron, from the beginning the authorities should put in order, laws, an elementary order on the streets.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 October 2014 15: 04
        -2
        Quote: Buran
        All hoteliers for the most part, at heart, are not talking about safety, but about cheap show-offs.

        In childhood, the boys did not play enough in a warrior.
        1. Buran
          Buran 9 October 2014 15: 08
          0
          In childhood, the boys did not play enough in a warrior.


          Or maybe beaten often? crying
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 9 October 2014 15: 16
            -2
            Quote: Buran
            Or maybe beaten often?

            At school laughing
            1. Buran
              Buran 9 October 2014 15: 17
              0
              For life .- wink -
          2. Velikoruss
            Velikoruss 9 October 2014 23: 31
            +1
            But what is the reason to consider such people unworthy of the right to self-defense. There are also women, old people, people with disabilities. On my own I will say that there was also a bit when the advantage was not in my favor and even hand-to-hand fighting skills did not help, but there was no way to escape. The meaning of the legalization of carrying weapons consists in leveling the possibilities simple citizens and criminals, who, by the way, do not hesitate to attack in a group. The term "Great Equalizer" did not appear out of nowhere
            1. Kite
              Kite 10 October 2014 00: 51
              0
              Quote: Velikorus
              ..... consider such people unworthy of the right to self-defense. There are also women, old people, people with disabilities.

              - Here's how to satisfy and level everyone? Some are for the severity of issuing permits, others immediately mention the right of people with physical disabilities (yes, aging is a loss of physical strength in the first place, Alzheimer's, insanity and parkinson do not come to everyone). What kind of disabled person (visually impaired or with cerebral palsy) can become the owner of the COP?
              In ancient Soviet times, the loss of an assault rifle in the army is an emergency, and even worse the emergency is a loss of a pistol. Orders of punishment were read on the parade ground in all the HF of the USSR.
              If the main argument of the supporters is that the bandits already have trunks, then I can answer the same - the bandits easily pick up trunks for themselves from peaceful amateurs, if only because they shoot quickly and without hesitation. Another weapon will appear in the petty punks who stole the pestle from the glove compartment of the glove box of the car owner or who found the pestle in the park under the bench, for example.
              1. Velikoruss
                Velikoruss 12 October 2014 23: 06
                0
                Regarding the inability of the listed categories of citizens to provide armed resistance to intruders: score in the browser search "a pensioner put up armed resistance to robbers" or "an invalid opened fire on hooligans" or something like that. The videos look especially cool on such requests, when the big-faced "bulls" make them in their pants and resignedly give their wallets to the robbers, and a dry old man with a badik, who did not immediately understand what was happening, but having entered the situevina, takes out a pistol and puts the bandits to flight. Of course, I do not call for giving access to people with mental disabilities and unacceptable physical disabilities. Control over the observance of the rules of storage and carrying of weapons by citizens by our law enforcement officers has been fully worked out at the moment. Spot checks, fines and the threat of losing a license for breaking the rules will keep barrel owners "on the alert."
        2. iConst
          iConst 9 October 2014 16: 30
          +9
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          In childhood, the boys did not play enough in a warrior.

          And I do not agree - there is no need to belittle the feelings of normal people. A normal man must have a trunk in order to feel like a man. And not because he is a flawed dead man.
          The nobles wore a sword and should have been able to wield it. It is from nature - a man must have and be able to own weapons. A real man.

          Another question is how much applied logic is in this. I will answer: from prison and from the sum ... In Ukraine, a year ago, tell us about today - no one would have believed.

          And without applied - a priori man (free citizen) must have the right to have a weapon. Including a short barrel.

          And the reasoning - who will shoot whom - yes, maybe not without costs. Only the scumbags will very quickly disappear, like the "bulls" of the 90s: some under granite, some are now going out and again under granite (more as they remained in that time and cannot live differently).
          1. Buran
            Buran 9 October 2014 17: 01
            +4
            A normal man must have a trunk in order to feel like a man.


            To do this, you do not need to have a trunk, but just to be a person.

            In Ukraine, a year ago, talk about today - no one would have believed.


            After reading Bobrov, this is exactly what I expected.

            And the reasoning - who will shoot whom - yes, maybe not without costs. Only the scumbags will very quickly disappear, like the "bulls" of the 90s: some under granite, some are now going out and again under granite (more as they remained in that time and cannot live differently).


            Do you offer domestic genocide of your own population?
            1. iConst
              iConst 9 October 2014 17: 15
              +1
              Quote: Buran
              Do you offer domestic genocide of your own population?

              Do not understand the thoughts - do not comment. Or trolling?

              Comments above - no need to pull out phrases out of context - we read everything completely. Or problems with focusing on the thesis already in the second sentence?
              1. Buran
                Buran 9 October 2014 17: 36
                +4
                Do not understand the thoughts - do not comment. Or trolling?


                Why, then, you clearly draw a line throughout the text.
                Male dignity is determined not by the presence of the trunk and the length of the genital organ, but by the presence of courage to oppose problems and solve them. Do you want to learn how to use a weapon, to serve in the army. About shooting costs. Everyone has the right to live, even if he is a bull from the 90s. And it's not up to you to decide whether to live or die.
                1. iConst
                  iConst 9 October 2014 18: 09
                  +6
                  Quote: Buran
                  Do not understand the thoughts - do not comment. Or trolling?


                  Why, then, you clearly draw a line throughout the text.
                  Male dignity is determined not by the presence of the trunk and the length of the genital organ, but by the presence of courage to oppose problems and solve them. Do you want to learn how to use a weapon, to serve in the army. About shooting costs. Everyone has the right to live, even if he is a bull from the 90s. And it's not up to you to decide whether to live or die.

                  There is a misunderstanding.
                  I explain: the ability to handle weapons (as with any other entity) is not a permanent reflex and should be supported. The army (a fairly limited number of firing) is temporary.

                  As for the liberal "everyone wants to live" - ​​for God's sake, but not at my expense - can you catch the difference?
                  From the dilemma to whom to live: for me (my relatives) or for the "bull", I will choose the first. Or will you sacrifice yourself?
                  Well, that’s your right, and you don’t have to give your hippie-liberal ideas to others. smile
                  1. Buran
                    Buran 9 October 2014 18: 29
                    +1
                    Army and weapons are like riding a bicycle, temporary. I have a simple question, did you shoot at a person, or at least saw a gunshot wound? I have a weapon at home, but even in spite of special circumstances, I can't get them out of the safe. It turns out for you the life of a person is liberal - "everyone wants to live", and not God's - "Thou shalt not kill." But they called me "hippie" for the first time, I'll tell my friends, I'll have some fun.
                    1. iConst
                      iConst 9 October 2014 18: 49
                      +4
                      Quote: Buran
                      Army and weapons like riding a bicycle, temporary does not happen.

                      - Nu-nu ... laughing
                      Quote: Buran
                      I have a simple question: did you shoot at a person, or at least see a gunshot wound?

                      Everyone was waiting for the replacement of the thesis. - Congratulations, most trolls start much earlier. laughing
                      Quote: Buran
                      I have weapons at home, but even in spite of special circumstances, I won’t get them out of the safe.

                      Even if the gang breaks into the house? And what for then do you need this trunk with your liberal-hippian (hippies were the first liberals, disinterested truth) worldview? To shoot animals - is there not enough food? And defenseless little animals do not mind? They do not have the right to live?
                      Quote: Buran
                      It turns out for you the life of a person is liberal - "everyone wants to live", and not God's - "Thou shalt not kill." But they called me "hippie" for the first time, I'll tell my friends, I'll have some fun.

                      Yeah - tell us and do not forget to show our correspondence so that they understand what's what. And so you are right - the rapist is also a man and wants to live. He rapes - and again good. Even a granny will throw a coin on the street.

                      About "God" is still there: "I will repay", "eye for an eye" - no?

                      You are beginning to disgust me. I feel - dissemble.
                      1. Buran
                        Buran 9 October 2014 19: 02
                        0
                        Troll you, I’m only arming wink

                        Finally. Arms are responsibility, not masculinity.

                        catch the difference?


                        So I am against what would be like you even give a penknife.

                        show correspondence do not forget


                        Be sure, starting from the place where you first broadcast about the noble masculinity of possession of weapons, and slide into a banal shooting at rapists. You already decide to protect it you need or for show-offs.
                        Well, in general, I do not argue with the children, whom you are. I have the honor. soldier
                      2. iConst
                        iConst 9 October 2014 19: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Buran
                        Troll you, I’m only arming wink

                        Finally. Arms are responsibility, not masculinity.

                        catch the difference?


                        So I am against what would be like you even give a penknife.

                        show correspondence do not forget


                        Be sure, starting from the place where you first broadcast about the noble masculinity of possession of weapons, and slide into a banal shooting at rapists. You already decide to protect it you need or for show-offs.
                        Well, in general, I do not argue with the children, whom you are. I have the honor. soldier

                        Choo-choo! laughing Here is the apotheosis! Psaki's receivers have found application here. Bravo!
                        How "Sleep of Reason gives rise to monsters" is being gritted.

                        At your leisure, re-read the correspondence: no need to speculate for me, applying your template.

                        PS: about "I have the honor" - that's not observed somehow ... Study the meaning of this phrase, at your leisure. wink
                      3. Buran
                        Buran 9 October 2014 19: 17
                        +1
                        God, what a mess in your head!
                    2. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 9 October 2014 20: 08
                      +1
                      Quote: Buran
                      I have weapons at home, but even in spite of special circumstances, I won’t get them out of the safe.

                      And if there is a threat to the life of you and your loved ones? Use, otherwise you and I have different concepts about the word - MAN. hi
                      Quote: Buran
                      , not God's - "Thou shalt not kill"

                      Any words can be reduced to absurdity, even these, which Jehovah's Witnesses have successfully demonstrated. But what about the Orthodox priests going into battle with their flock?
                2. Letnab
                  Letnab 9 October 2014 20: 12
                  +2
                  That is, if eligible "bulls" for life begin to shorten your life or your loved ones, will you just pray?
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      2. sufix
        sufix 9 October 2014 15: 44
        +1
        Quote: Buran
        How can? All hoteliers for the most part, at heart, are not talking about safety, but about cheap show-offs. Play and throw, forgetting where. And how many lives and destinies it will cripple. Before you start talking about pieces of iron, from the beginning the authorities should put in order, laws, an elementary order on the streets.

        Weapons are, of course, a useful thing and will make you think before you climb to a person with "good" intentions. BUT: Personally, I think now is not the time. This is not the time yet because this multiplies the factor "Maidan" and "Bolotnaya" many times over with the appearance of weapons there.
      3. Velikoruss
        Velikoruss 9 October 2014 23: 08
        +3
        As much as needs. Even if some of the owners, having satisfied their need for "cheap show-offs", hide their pistols in a gun cabinet (violation of storage rules is now seriously punished), remaining armed will certainly have a beneficial effect on the crime situation in the country. Wasserman also noted a real decrease in crime in the Baltics and Moldova after the ban on civilian trade in short-barrels was lifted. If about the Balts we can also say about a different mentality, close to the European one, then Moldova does not fit into the reserve of the carriers of the Western European thinking. But the result is equally beneficial in both countries. The same patterns in other countries, where previously prohibited were allowed and previously prohibited. The ability to run into an armed man in the street greatly chills most criminals. Most likely, the dynamics of the reduction in crime will not be so pronounced at first, but after a few ruined skins of bandits and the appearance of reports about this in the media, the number of those wishing to check the reaction rate of ordinary people will greatly decrease. Because, most likely, criminals will start worrying about their destinies and lives. As a result, the "elementary order in the streets" will begin to return to normal. I am very interested in why the opponents categorically do not regret noticing the existing statistics and selflessly voice some hypothetical "scarecrows", not bothering to bring at least some intelligible evidence. Proponents of legalization, after all, bring real evidence, from life and officially confirmed.
    3. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 9 October 2014 17: 52
      +1
      And if the guy would have a trunk? How would the HAA graduate? A man is a fighter, or where? Everything would be different. And so the grave.
    4. Denis fj
      Denis fj 9 October 2014 20: 42
      +1
      In the 60s there was a mass of smooth-bore hunting and rifled sporting weapons in the country, almost no one knew the storage rules. Moreover, the number of killings with this weapon was scanty compared to a kitchen knife or ax. For example, my grandfather had a hunting double-barreled gun and pre-war Berdanka, my father has an excellent double-barreled shotgun, and I (a boy of 15 years old) had a little thing hanging over the bunk, from which I shot hundreds of rats and pigeons that live near the collective farm barn. Schoolchildren (including girls) passed the TRP standards from small fry and all this by. Later, weapons began to be withdrawn for two reasons. Firstly, in the days of corn, drunkenness became a habit, and sometimes a drunken husband solved his own and other people's problems because of jealousy, secondly, a new class of parasites appeared in society in the form of party nomenclature and bureaucracy their fear for their precious lives was decided by all. In the era of the bourgeois dictatorship, both reasons for the prohibition of personal weapons remain valid and the government will never allow PM to be under the pillow We would not argue about the restoration of LTP for drunks and norkomaniacs, and then this question would fall away by itself. Those who want to have personal weapons already have them, but I personally do not need them. I have no enemies and no property interesting to rapists, but if someone I’ll penetrate my house by force and without a pistol I’ll break his head if he can get around my fourth friend, half a meter tall.
  2. Magic archer
    Magic archer 9 October 2014 14: 36
    +9
    I have seen so many inadequacies in my life that if you still allow weapons to be sold, the country will turn into the Wild West! Knowing the venality of many people, then certificates and other documents will diverge like hotcakes. Russia is not ready for the arms trade, to my great regret.
    1. ISKANDER25
      ISKANDER25 9 October 2014 14: 54
      +2
      Hello Vladimir! Well, how is that! +++
      I AGREE!!! hi
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 9 October 2014 15: 32
      +5
      Quote: Magic Archer
      I have seen so many inadequacies in my life that if you also allow weapons to be sold, the country will turn into the Wild West!

      Inadequate people also have a sense of self-preservation, believe me. Inadequate attacks mainly target defenseless victims, and if weapons are possible, they will most likely retreat. The article does not agree with only one thing - the state of affairs in issuing permits now -
      Numerous rumors that, supposedly, a medical certificate for the purchase of weapons were issued to those whom should not have been issued, were invariably checked. And invariably they turned out to be rumors devoid of a real basis.
      Personally, I know a person with Saiga20 and registered in a psychiatric hospital. But this is being solved by tightening the laws on issuing permits. The rest of the article is very correct and reasonable. hi
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 9 October 2014 17: 19
        +1
        I don’t agree. The drunk is simply fucked up. And since we have enough drinkers, then do the conclusion yourself.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 9 October 2014 19: 55
          +2
          Quote: Magic Archer
          .Drunk just fucked

          You are drinking? I am. But neither I, nor one of my friends drunk was grabbing at the knife or at the ax. request Although, without looking at the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, I’ll go by all available means to anyone who would jeopardize the lives of my loved ones. hi
          P.S. Vitaliy Kaloev is my idol.
        2. Velikoruss
          Velikoruss 10 October 2014 00: 09
          +4
          Yes, Moldovans use only fresh milk! You have too bad opinions about the Russians. According to world statistics, the inhabitants of Russia on the consumption of absolute alcohol in the face of the population are far behind most countries in Europe, including those where carrying weapons is not prohibited.
    3. would
      would 9 October 2014 15: 45
      +5
      Weapons are already allowed to sell. Extreme mortality carbines of 12 calibers, sniper rifles, self-loading versions of the AK. Where is the wild west?
      1. fiodor
        fiodor 9 October 2014 23: 55
        +1
        Here the question is about pistols, in general, and the right to carry, as I understand it, but you don't particularly vilify a gun in a holster under your arm. And you can't actually wear it uncovered, and even more so in the city. As far as the article is concerned, I agree on one point about serious examinations in handling and possession. The culture and skills of handling short-handed should be instilled. It is not yet developed in our country. Here are the driving licenses as they surrender, and how many nonadquats, drunks and other idiots are present on the roads, and this is considered a means of increased danger, and I wonder what means will be considered increased or reduced danger? I won't talk about the application, but if you lose it, take it away, steal it, then how ?, how to restore the passport, the fine is small and that's it? or a more serious measure, you then lost, and somewhere an illegal barrel appeared, shot and recorded on you specifically, and what next, if someone is slapped out of it, then to plant someone, well, it is clear that the statement was submitted saying that he lost, etc. and that's all, but the more weapons on hand, the more likely any chances of events will develop. We had a case, they wrote in the newspapers, in the morning a woman walked and found two Makarovs in holsters, took them to the police as usual, it turned out that two military officers had lost the day before, having drunk "slightly", and if anyone else found the question, culture is needed everywhere from driving rules to ownership and wearing. Do we have it? It is necessary to plant, of course, before doing flounders from the bay.
    4. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 9 October 2014 16: 17
      +6
      there are 10 million barrels of hunting weapons in the country, i.e. 1 barrel for every 15 people and how many times legally acquired weapons were used illegally throughout the country. Well, the gentlemen who carry out the "sale of certificates" must be put in the form of personal responsibility for the issued certificate, up to criminal responsibility, and the responsibility must be real and the terms for these crimes are lengthy.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 9 October 2014 16: 26
        +2
        Quote: wasjasibirjac
        put an obstacle in the form of personal responsibility for the issued certificate, up to criminal

        Absolutely right. And with the doctors would still ask the same. hi
      2. aleks 62
        aleks 62 9 October 2014 16: 35
        +1
        ..... Personal responsibility after, for the person who issued the "fake" certificate, is little consolation for the innocent victim (for his family too) .... hi
    5. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 9 October 2014 21: 59
      0
      Vladimir, you blurted out something.
  3. St Petrov
    St Petrov 9 October 2014 14: 37
    +9
    Wasserman famous gun lover)
    1. Committee
      Committee 9 October 2014 14: 46
      +9
      Yes, but only they have plastic ones, since no one will give him permission.
      1. almost demobil
        almost demobil 9 October 2014 15: 50
        +1
        Quote: Committee
        Yes, but only they have plastic

        Nothing of the kind, he buys pneumatics, he boasted!
      2. aleks 62
        aleks 62 9 October 2014 16: 36
        +1
        ...... Now I understand ..... Why is this article .... belay
  4. Giant thought
    Giant thought 9 October 2014 14: 37
    +5
    All the same, it would be better if the population has fewer weapons in their hands, less likely to get a bullet purely on the basis of probability theory.
    1. Tyumen
      Tyumen 9 October 2014 15: 06
      +2
      Opa. Have you already stopped breaking into bandits at night?) For some minutes you changed your mind and you felt sorry for them?
      1. Wheel
        Wheel 9 October 2014 15: 20
        +8
        Quote: Tyumen
        Opa. Have you already stopped breaking bandits at night?)
        You need to understand that they break into you every five minutes?
        1. Sanglier
          Sanglier 9 October 2014 15: 43
          +2
          And enough once and a couple of minutes.
          1. aleks 62
            aleks 62 9 October 2014 16: 37
            0
            And enough once and a couple of minutes .....
            ......Probability theory.... recourse
        2. Tyumen
          Tyumen 9 October 2014 20: 06
          0
          Quote: Wheel
          You need to understand that they break into you every five minutes?

          What do I have to do with this? Read the Giant in another article on weapons.
    2. Sanglier
      Sanglier 9 October 2014 15: 43
      +4
      And also to prohibit cars, suddenly let it move !!!
      1. Buran
        Buran 9 October 2014 16: 06
        0
        Well then, let the dope allow, what is the little things. drinks
        1. Velikoruss
          Velikoruss 10 October 2014 00: 46
          +2
          Bad example
          The legalization of short-barrel wearing is not an end in itself, but an opportunity to provide citizens with personal security.
    3. would
      would 9 October 2014 15: 50
      0
      I agree with you. I’ll only note that in order for this to work, it is necessary for the criminals to have as little as possible.
    4. Velikoruss
      Velikoruss 10 October 2014 00: 32
      +2
      The theory is tested by practice:
      Russia - a population of less than 150 million people, up to 13 million trunks in civilian traffic, 21,4 thousand murders (data for 2009)
      America - population of over 300 million people, in civilian traffic not less than 200 million trunks, the number of killings of 13,4 thousand for the same 2009.
      Total: Your theory is incorrect, or the incorrect probability calculation method was used wink
  5. Abbra
    Abbra 9 October 2014 14: 37
    -4
    Even Wasserman is against. Clearly out of pocket. I personally am categorically against it. Our population will decrease with our retreat and scale by half.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 9 October 2014 14: 40
      +5
      it will be possible not even to leave the house now to punish the drunken company under the windows laughing
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 October 2014 14: 49
        +3
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        to punish the drunken company under the windows

        This is exactly wassat
      2. Buran
        Buran 9 October 2014 15: 06
        0
        Well, for this, the "Law on Weapons" is not needed, a hunting ticket is enough. With or without the law, it's all the same to sit. hi laughing
      3. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 9 October 2014 16: 21
        0
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        it will be possible not even to leave the house now to punish the drunken company under the windows laughing

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        It sure wassat

        idiocy. call the police squad and write a statement stating that this company prevented you from sleeping and its members will call for 15 days for petty hooliganism.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 9 October 2014 20: 15
          +1
          Quote: wasjasibirjac
          write a statement that this company interfered with your sleep

          And then you will break a skull in the front door. On the sixteenth day. And here the barrel would come in handy ...
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    3. RUSS
      RUSS 9 October 2014 14: 46
      +3
      Quote: Abbra
      Even Wasserman is against.


      What does "even Wasserman" mean, is he special?
    4. pv1005
      pv1005 9 October 2014 15: 11
      +12
      Dear you read the article? Wasserman is just the same FOR.
  6. bubalik
    bubalik 9 October 2014 14: 38
    +6
    ..o about how much you can sad , are they worried about our safety? yes not a bit negative

    they want to have money on arms sales, that’s the whole point of the issue belay
    1. jaguar
      jaguar 9 October 2014 14: 40
      0
      they want to have money on arms sales, that’s the whole point of the issue of resolution. I agree with you, only who cares about our safety ???
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 October 2014 14: 51
        -6
        Quote: jaguar
        I agree with you, only who cares about our safety ???

        Sorry, but you are robbed, raped or killed. Enough of this left-wing demagogy, no one worries about us and all that. Cheap calls for which there is nothing. Both the police and the FSB work, and thanks to them, you walk the quiet streets.
        1. bubalik
          bubalik 9 October 2014 14: 58
          +6
          Alexander Romanov (3) RU  Today, 14: 51 The police also work


          ,,, police mostly work for themselves ,,, repeat
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 9 October 2014 15: 05
            -3
            Quote: bubalik
            ,,, police mostly work for themselves ,,,

            Has it been gaining 02 for the last time?
            1. bubalik
              bubalik 9 October 2014 15: 09
              +12
              ,,,, a) 2 years ago, the duty attire arrived in 18 hours crying ,,,

              ,,, b) a year ago, on an accident 8 hours waited in the city center at night ,,
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 9 October 2014 15: 17
                -1
                Quote: bubalik
                ,, a) 2 years ago, the duty outfit arrived after 18 hours

                You are a very honest man, my friend.
                Quote: bubalik
                , b) a year ago, on an accident, he waited 8 hours in the city center at night,

                And this is possible, but at the peak of accidents.
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                2. bubalik
                  bubalik 9 October 2014 15: 23
                  +4
                  Alexander Romanov (3) RU  Today, 15: 17You, my friend, are not very honest people.


                  ,,, Alexander was, take a word yes

                  And it’s possible, but at the peak of accidents


                  ,,, damn it, Samara is not Moscow, especially at night, not 8 hours?
                3. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 9 October 2014 20: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  And this is possible, but at the peak of accidents.

                  But for some reason, after a call to the traffic police come commissars. The person on duty for a dolly for them accident drains. request
                  Quote: bubalik
                  ,,, damn it, Samara is not Moscow, especially at night, not 8 hours?

                  In Togliatti, the traffic police waited 6 hours from 19-00 to 01-00h. laughing
              2. aleks 62
                aleks 62 9 October 2014 16: 42
                +1
                ..... When I call, they arrive in 5 minutes !!!! Taught !!!! And I advise you to try ... hi
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            3. Buran
              Buran 9 October 2014 15: 13
              +5
              Got a couple of weeks ago, arrived in a couple of hours. Just not at my call, but at the request of two mothers, whose children, my neighbor and I, conducted an audit of the ribs. wassat Notice any weapons!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 9 October 2014 15: 18
                +3
                Quote: Buran
                Got a couple of weeks ago, arrived in a couple of hours.

                I dialed at 4 in the morning, many years ago. The handset was not picked up at all wassat
                Now they arrive within 5-10 minutes maximum.
                1. jaguar
                  jaguar 9 October 2014 15: 26
                  +4
                  This is in what kind of fairy tale do you live where the police arrive in 5 minutes ???
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 9 October 2014 15: 32
                    +1
                    Quote: jaguar
                    This is in what kind of fairy tale do you live where the police arrive in 5 minutes ???


                    Perhaps the police department or the "duty room" is nearby, or maybe in the same building on the first floor, I saw such police departments.
                  2. aleks 62
                    aleks 62 9 October 2014 16: 45
                    +1
                    This is in what kind of fairy tale do you live where the police arrive in 5 minutes ???
                    ...... You need to know the cherished word .... wink
                2. Buran
                  Buran 9 October 2014 15: 28
                  0
                  Well, with our porch it’s clear that we are on the CCM on the floor, and the cops know about it. I'm not offended by them lol
                3. major1976
                  major1976 9 October 2014 15: 41
                  +1
                  Yeah, they arrive in a helicopter! Excluding Moscow traffic jams? Take on Alexander!
                  1. Buran
                    Buran 9 October 2014 15: 48
                    +4
                    And in our country there is only one settlement - Moscow?
                4. aleks 62
                  aleks 62 9 October 2014 16: 44
                  +1
                  ....Alexander!!!! You also taught them ...... I’m glad to have a colleague ..... We need to open a secret for the suffering ..... What do you think ????? hi
              2. aleks 62
                aleks 62 9 October 2014 16: 43
                0
                ......In!!!! And you say - give weapons !!!!! laughing
            4. major1976
              major1976 9 October 2014 15: 38
              +1
              And in response, short beeps or an answer, wait for you to come (and employees at lunch, dinner and so on) and come to describe a cold corpse or, at best, to a hospital to interview you when you leave the intensive care unit!
            5. 406ppm2gv
              406ppm2gv 9 October 2014 17: 25
              +1
              [quote] Alexander Romanov (3) RU Today, 15:05 ↑ New
              Quote: bubalik
              And for a long time, the last time I got 02? [/ Quote- in the country there are officially 100000 police officers per 546 people, more than in normal countries. and what is silence and order from this?
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 9 October 2014 15: 17
            +4
            Quote: bubalik
            Alexander Romanov (3) RU  Today, 14: 51 The police also work


            ,,, police mostly work for themselves ,,, repeat


            PPSniki just for themselves, I won’t say about the rest of the police, I don’t know.
          3. aleks 62
            aleks 62 9 October 2014 16: 40
            0
            ,,, police mostly work for themselves ,,,

            ...... It depends on where ..... We are already working for people .... Forced !!!!
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        3. RUSS
          RUSS 9 October 2014 15: 15
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Both the police and the FSB work, and thanks to them, you walk the streets of calmly.


          There are few such streets, I advise you to take a walk along the streets of the district center - the city of Kimry, Tver region.
          1. Buran
            Buran 9 October 2014 15: 24
            -1
            You go on
            on the streets of the district center - the city of Kimry, Tver region.


            Then a certain face runs up to you, from behind, hits you on the head with something heavy. Does a piece of iron in your pocket make your head impenetrable? Although, the same gopnik, screw a trunk on some kind of loshka, there will be many times more loshka with trunks and calmly knock you down, run after you.
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          3. 23 region
            23 region 9 October 2014 15: 56
            +2
            “The cops can't stand on every corner.”

            In the United States, 233 police officers per hundred thousand citizens of the country.
            In Russia, 976 police officers per hundred thousand citizens of the country.
            Exceed 4 times.
            Even in absolute numbers, the excess is almost 2 times: 1.399067 police officers in Russia, against 736.012 police officers in the USA
            “The cops can't stand on every corner.”

            So let’s increase the Ministry of Internal Affairs and raise their salary
            AND WILL BE HAPPINESS TO US.
        4. jaguar
          jaguar 9 October 2014 15: 17
          0
          About three months ago ..... arrived in three hours
        5. major1976
          major1976 9 October 2014 15: 35
          +4
          This is what kind of streets and which city we walk quietly! I personally am always in tension! And I scan the environment especially if I am in a crowded place and with a loved one! Go down to the ground in Russia because we live! Council look through news sites with criminal news!
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 October 2014 14: 39
    +7
    Anatoly, as always, is extremely laconic and crystal logical. I always wanted to have a legal "trunk".
    Will my dream come true? Chur, I’m GS-18.
    1. Tambov
      Tambov 9 October 2014 15: 28
      +2
      12 in two rows, +1
      9x18
      Good thing, recommend it!
      1. major1976
        major1976 9 October 2014 15: 43
        +1
        The picture is pneumatic! He won’t even take a crow! I don’t advise you to get angry with the criminal even more!
        1. Tambov
          Tambov 9 October 2014 15: 49
          -3
          Mayer, yes you osts!
          Never seen an export Baikal (Izhmash)?
          Well you, "maer", give it!
          And the nickel plating is the handiwork of an intuziast, "majer".
          1. major1976
            major1976 9 October 2014 15: 54
            +5
            If you can’t distinguish a war barrel from a toy, sorry for you muzchinka! Look at the clip on it, the handle with which the used compressed air cylinder is changed! Look at the open chamber, look, there is an air supply system! Oh, you are a Tambovian! I guess I saw only a connoisseur in the pictures!
          2. major1976
            major1976 9 October 2014 15: 57
            0
            On such a connoisseur like you point a toy pistol so he puts it in his pants!
            1. Tambov
              Tambov 9 October 2014 16: 10
              -1
              Okay, mayor, this one is mine, so be it.
              There is also a Glock 17 L, but I do not like him. Unreliable.
              And about the air in the picture - it’s you who upset me very much!
              Where I live, such blasphemy over Makarych was not seen.
              Sorry, I didn’t know that everything was so bad there with the fighting short-barrels, maer.
              1. major1976
                major1976 9 October 2014 16: 37
                0
                Do you want to say that in the first picture and in this one and the same thing? Then I have nothing more to talk about weapons with you!
                1. major1976
                  major1976 9 October 2014 17: 23
                  0
                  Tambov connoisseur do not rack your brains - the photo shows a modification of the Makarov-IZH-70 or Baikal 442 pistol, 9x17k or 9x18 caliber, magazine capacity of 10 or 12 rounds! There is a modification for 9x18 cartridge for export! But this is a purely sports pistol as the adjustable rear sight says ! Either you are an athlete-shooter, which I doubt based on your knowledge of the technical characteristics, or you do not own it legally! So here is my friend!
              2. major1976
                major1976 9 October 2014 16: 45
                -1
                And even if you are SUCH a connoisseur of what is supposedly your gun supposedly shown in the picture?
              3. iConst
                iConst 9 October 2014 16: 54
                +4
                Quote: Tambov
                There is also a Glock 17 L, but I do not like him. Unreliable.

                And what is unreliability? Of all that he shot - one of the most enjoyable.
                Glocks don't like soft hands at all.

                Not so long ago, my daughter drove to shoot - just from Glock17 - so the first shot was delayed - the bolt caught a cartridge case. Due to weak retention. He told me to hold it tight with both hands - it’s normal that I shot off 30 shots.
                1. Tambov
                  Tambov 10 October 2014 04: 03
                  0
                  Quote: iConst
                  Quote: Tambov
                  There is also a Glock 17 L, but I do not like him. Unreliable.

                  And what is unreliability? Of all that he shot - one of the most enjoyable.
                  Glocks don't like soft hands at all.

                  Not so long ago, my daughter drove to shoot - just from Glock17 - so the first shot was delayed - the bolt caught a cartridge case. Due to weak retention. He told me to hold it tight with both hands - it’s normal that I shot off 30 shots.


                  What?
                  Here is just what you have already observed:
                  Jam of the sleeve or (which I observe more), jam of the cartridge at an angle in front of the breech.
                  Another problem that got even worse with the replacement of the 17L with the model 34 is the ejection of the sleeve at different angles to the horizon. Often - right in the face. Head-on. Over your head. Or under the collar.
                  This problem has been common lately. The Austrians made up their minds with the replacement of production technology (I know it in Russian). There is this pin, which on the back stroke of the shutter hits the sleeve.
                  In addition, as you said, with a soft hold of the weapon, it wedges. My girlfriend manages to do this all the time. But I also learned. In short - model 9x19 - shit.
                  As for the children, I would strictly forbid them to touch this shelter at all (Glock). It is simply dangerous, because there is neither a traditional fuse, nor the possibility of removing a combat platoon. When the cartridge is in the barrel - it’s better not to touch the gun at all. And when he is not there, then why the hell is he needed?
                  Have you tried to send a cartridge with one hand?
              4. major1976
                major1976 9 October 2014 16: 55
                +1
                It seems to me you are an ordinary sofa troll that never held a short barrel! About GLock 17 you wrote complete nonsense around the world is considered one of the most reliable pistols! It is in service with the army and police of a dozen countries! Learn the materiel and go at least once to the shooting gallery if it there is in your hole!
          3. major1976
            major1976 9 October 2014 16: 43
            +1
            Hey weapon connoisseur, answer if it’s a combat barrel where is the ejected cartridge case on it? Or does the export variant have the cartridge thrown differently?
            1. Tambov
              Tambov 10 October 2014 04: 20
              0
              Mayer, have I already answered?
              You turned out to be right, as an expert on the pneumatic "makarych"! Well done, you are a true pneumatics expert! Honor and praise to you for this part.
              But I admit only combat, and Izhmash did not see pneumatic Izhmash before your comment. Any other questions, mayor?
  8. Wiruz
    Wiruz 9 October 2014 14: 40
    +1
    You look at it, maybe they really legalize the short-barrel. Maybe the wave will reach us. Eh, I have a Five-seveN dream in my hands to hold bully
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 9 October 2014 14: 48
      0
      Quote: Wiruz
      Eh, I have a Five-seveN dream in my hands to hold


      For me, so Beretta. bully
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 9 October 2014 14: 50
        +1
        For me, so Beretta. bully

        I agree. Beretta is better on the practical side (like any 9mm). I like FN purely outwardly. The eye pleases winked
    2. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 9 October 2014 14: 49
      0
      Quote: Wiruz
      You look at it, maybe they really legalize the short-barrel

      And what do you think is the reason for all this hype around the barrel? I think it’s preparing the population for the adoption of the law on the legalization of short-barreled weapons.
  9. fax66
    fax66 9 October 2014 14: 42
    -9
    In! Another Self Defense and Security Expert! You won’t look without tears ...
    For each of his arguments, I have 3 counterarguments. Well, why crush water in a mortar?
  10. RUSS
    RUSS 9 October 2014 14: 46
    +9
    True, there is one defect in the verification system: the person who received the weapon is quite legitimate, then was upset with his mind and committed a crime in a dark state.

    Based on this logic, it is necessary to prohibit: knives, axes, bits, etc.
  11. Predator-74
    Predator-74 9 October 2014 14: 46
    +11
    A normal man must be prepared to protect himself and his family in his home. Probably stupid to deny it. I am for legalization, but the licensing system should be well developed.
  12. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 9 October 2014 14: 47
    +2
    weapons advocates ... tell me .... why did people feel safe in Soviet times?
    here all give examples of the usa..Estonia and all sorts of others ... why don’t they look at their history ... why don’t we borrow anything from our own ... why are we all over the hill ... is there nothing good of ours?
    1. major1976
      major1976 9 October 2014 15: 44
      +2
      Who felt safe? Do you know the statistics of street crimes during Soviet times?
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 9 October 2014 16: 21
        0
        Well, right now, you’ll talk .... it was unsafe for you in the USSR (as I recall, I tremble, our childhood and youth were terrible and dangerous), today you are also unsafe ...
        while you say
        This is what kind of streets and which city we walk quietly! I personally am always in tension! And I scan the environment especially if I am in a crowded place and with a loved one! Go down to the ground in Russia because we live! Council look through news sites with criminal news
        and you want to allow weapons when there are so many inadequacies around that it makes you walk along the streets with a scanner in your head? how do you live there? your head doesn’t hurt (now you need to go through a serious commission, phobias are not a joke)? and you in this case, they should understand that weapons will be sold to scumbags and psychos, and no commission and control will help, there will be bribery and criminal cover, because they themselves said
        Go down to earth in Russia because we live
        1. Scorpio
          Scorpio 9 October 2014 19: 42
          0
          According to your logic, a driver’s license can’t be issued, because so many thugs will be driven drunk on the roads and people will be crushed, entrepreneurship should not be allowed, because so many thugs will start cashing, etc. etc. - all only to government agencies. DOES NOT WORK. You can’t limit a person’s rights only because someone may turn out to be a nut and a scumbag and his right to dispose of incorrectly !!! This applies to everything - freedom of speech, freedom of movement, and the right to protect themselves and their property by any means in case of a threat to life and health.
          1. Alexander S.
            Alexander S. 10 October 2014 10: 46
            0
            the car ... is a means of increased danger. and weapons ... it is for killing ... and nothing more. although there is an exception, in my opinion .. so this is home protection. and, by the way, when the gun at your temple ... somehow you don’t think ... that it was most likely shot ... and yet ... you can clearly see the gopot ... you can easily recognize it among those around you ... and also you know ... that she’s most likely armed with a penhole ... and if they legalize weapons ... a bunch of potentially dangerous people will appear (what’s there ... almost all the people around will be potentially dangerous) ... just like a bunch of potentially dangerous cars .. .so a bunch of potentially dangerous people ... with a horde to kill.
        2. Scorpio
          Scorpio 9 October 2014 19: 42
          +1
          According to your logic, a driver’s license can’t be issued, because so many thugs will be driven drunk on the roads and people will be crushed, entrepreneurship should not be allowed, because so many thugs will start cashing, etc. etc. - all only to government agencies. DOES NOT WORK. You can’t limit a person’s rights only because someone may turn out to be a nut and a scumbag and his right to dispose of incorrectly !!! This applies to everything - freedom of speech, freedom of movement, and the right to protect themselves and their property by any means in case of a threat to life and health.
      2. Alexander S.
        Alexander S. 9 October 2014 18: 46
        +1
        statistics to you 1945-50gg ... or 1960-80gg .... or maybe statistics 1991-99..or 2000-14gg? earlier that ... solid prisons on the first floors ... or maniacs in every city .. who were caught for 20 years ...
        not ... weapons can be allowed ... and allowed to use them ... but only if ... if the police are liquidated ... otherwise why ... if the population will protect itself ... and somehow provide public security ... that is, the functions of the police. please ... liquidate the police and get yourself pistols ... since there are not enough toys ...
    2. Sanglier
      Sanglier 9 October 2014 16: 05
      +3
      The beginning of the 20th century, the city of Odessa. The sale of weapons was allowed - for several months the crime rate decreased several times !!! This is OUR HISTORY !!!
      1. Alexander S.
        Alexander S. 9 October 2014 18: 48
        +1
        here it is not necessary to cite as an example the beginning of the 20th century. everyone knows what happened at the beginning of the 20th century ... what kind of people were there ...
        1. Scorpio
          Scorpio 9 October 2014 19: 44
          +1
          I will reveal the secret: people were the same!
        2. Scorpio
          Scorpio 9 October 2014 19: 44
          0
          I will reveal the secret: people were the same!
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 9 October 2014 19: 20
      +1
      Quote: Alexander S.
      why in Soviet times did citizens feel safe

      Do you propose to return the construction of socialism back? An interesting experiment.
      1. Alexander S.
        Alexander S. 10 October 2014 10: 53
        0
        socialism is alien to me ... for there is not even 30 ... and I know everything from the stories of my parents ... and there is no reason not to believe them ... and again ... depending on the interpretation of socialism ... and in general .. .personally, I dream for a start about oprichnina ... and then about socialism ... not Leninist ... or whatever they tried to build with us ... and that socialism ... when everything is really for society and man. but these are dreams. because we only have to live our life somehow ... leave the little things to the children ... but nobody thinks about grandchildren and great-grandchildren ... once ... their own fur coat is closer.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 10 October 2014 17: 46
          0
          You see, when they talk about how it was in Soviet times, they can never offer a way to return it. Yes, there was a lot of good. Like bad. As at any other time, there were positive and negative aspects of life. But what's the point of remembering now? This will not happen.
    4. Scorpio
      Scorpio 9 October 2014 19: 36
      +1
      Because no one published crime statistics, but on TV they said that everything was calm. Today they are trying to solve the problem in this way, but it is much more complicated !!!
    5. Scorpio
      Scorpio 9 October 2014 19: 36
      0
      Because no one published crime statistics, but on TV they said that everything was calm. Today they are trying to solve the problem in this way, but it is much more complicated !!!
  13. arkady149
    arkady149 9 October 2014 14: 48
    +6
    It is difficult to disagree with Anatoly Wasserman, I have repeatedly argued that if a citizen has real weapons, he ceases to be a potential victim, the thought of this already stops the gopnik, who is not completely wild, from trying to rob and other atrocities, but there are at least a few -Malski sane still the majority, even among gopoty. Thugs and maniacs - this is a completely different story, although some grow out of others as a result of impunity and irresponsibility of the victims. So will we save the gopniks as an animal subspecies of a person, stopping citizens from being self-protected or will we save a person in a gopnik, timely stopping rash creeps to someone else’s honor or wallet?
  14. v-sorok
    v-sorok 9 October 2014 14: 51
    +8
    I fully support A. Wasserman. Crime will not buy weapons in stores. This is, as they say, "pale", 100%. Bulletin machines are working. And in a dark alley, an attempt to "gop-stop" is fraught with grave consequences, it is not known, maybe this fraer has a barrel on his pocket. The short-trunk will make many think. And our people should not be considered particularly stupid! If you have a trunk in your hands, then you have to go to blame everyone! Weapons, like uniforms, discipline!
    1. Begemot
      Begemot 9 October 2014 16: 34
      0
      Bulletproof vehicles work.
      But what's the point if the gun is stolen or taken from the owner and his statement has long been in the RO Ministry of Internal Affairs in business? Or another topic: soft
      lead bullet. In 90's, crime also used legal weapons. Carabiner Bars 5,45X39, instead of a shell bullet put lead R22. When hit in the head, the bullet scatters to dust, the sleeve is neatly in the hand and what is the bulletproof magazine here?
      1. arkady149
        arkady149 9 October 2014 20: 05
        0
        You are still mercury-lead, which is slightly harder than plasticine and perfectly pounding from trauma, remember.
  15. Bobo beck
    Bobo beck 9 October 2014 14: 54
    +2
    I propose to allow Kalash .1. National product 2. You can immediately go to defend the homeland .3. He threw it on his shoulder and went, no bandy will attack))
  16. lexx2038
    lexx2038 9 October 2014 14: 55
    +1
    Hunting elites and money from the arms market, and scary, serfs and weapons ... Salvage will defeat evil! Or good, we'll see.
  17. Leo7777
    Leo7777 9 October 2014 14: 58
    0
    Please note that in the title of the article, Anatoly Wasserman is the author, not the same Anatoly. The author acted very cheaply.

    Most like sheep, Putin will write in the headline, everyone will think that Putin really thinks so, and that it’s hardly anyone’s names. And to such foolish people to give weapons?
  18. erased
    erased 9 October 2014 15: 00
    +1
    Another common voice in support of the right of people to protect life!
  19. BEGGAR
    BEGGAR 9 October 2014 15: 04
    +6
    Another point in the program of self-destruction of our citizens. They’ll rather be afraid to approve, suddenly the attic will move out, or they’ll pass the nerves and the citizens will announce the season of hunting for officials and deputies, the people's love for whom is reverent and limitless.
  20. 3vs
    3vs 9 October 2014 15: 11
    -2
    Natalia, calm down!
    Enough of the "hello weapon" companies!
  21. Ober.K
    Ober.K 9 October 2014 15: 13
    -5
    Law-abiding citizens do not need a gun at least 20 years old, at least 80 years old! Everything else is from the evil one !!! am
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: RUSS

    I live without a gun for 35 years and I need it.

    Yes old man, how did you live all these 35 years without a gun recourse
    Sorry, will have to live as much without him laughing
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 9 October 2014 15: 47
      +2
      Quote: Ober.K
      Law-abiding citizens do not need a gun at least 20 years old, at least 80 years old! Everything else is from the evil one !!!


      Do you have anything to do with the church or did you come up with something? Speaking of who is a weapon, he is "from the evil one."
  22. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake 9 October 2014 15: 15
    +7
    You need to start with the law on self-defense. Until he is moved by a weapon there is no sense. And if they move it, then many will not need weapons.
  23. oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 9 October 2014 15: 22
    +8
    I have already spoken out on this subject, I repeat. I’m asking you not to confuse legal weapons with unregistered ones. Someone who writes that the shooter was not trying to get permission to buy and register weapons. That’s why horror stories are written, you don’t own information, and you already write Russian citizens inadequate. This is not good.
  24. 290980
    290980 9 October 2014 15: 26
    +10
    for legalizationthe more armed adequats shoot long armed inadequacies, the faster communism will come.
  25. RUSS
    RUSS 9 October 2014 15: 29
    +7
    Do you know what you dislike most and what I don’t understand about the opponents of the legalization of short-barrels in Russia? The fact that our people are held for continuous psychos, unbalanced, "inadequate" and thugs and the fact that we, as small children or monkeys, cannot be trusted with weapons!
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 9 October 2014 15: 48
      +2
      RUSS answer please why do you need a trunk? In which cases you apply? Let's lose in a fight, a decision? Let's say right, and a drunk guy, two on the street are wrong and started to climb in the face, shoot?
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 9 October 2014 16: 06
        +2
        Quote: Gleb
        RUSS answer please why do you need a trunk?


        Most likely only at home, I live in the private sector, robberies are constant, and sometimes they "buy" houses when the residents of the house.
      2. uwzek
        uwzek 9 October 2014 19: 48
        -1
        Boys are fighting over girls. Why, in general, would a grown man fight with someone (especially with an unfamiliar drunk guy)? With what binge did you decide that a person should start a reciprocal crawling on a "harmless" crawling into the face? You can shoot into the air (although it's better to shoot eggs).
  26. Noki51177
    Noki51177 9 October 2014 15: 31
    -1
    Rogues will rejoice, you can take the trunk, steal. It would be better for criminal groups to hammer more often.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 9 October 2014 15: 49
      +1
      Quote: Noki51177
      Rogues will rejoice, you can take the trunk, steal


      And they don’t even need to squeeze the trunks, a crook, if he needs to get the barrel for himself.
  27. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 9 October 2014 15: 35
    +7
    I read mega-doctors on the subject of a short-barrel
    probably a month ... Changed my mind a lot and all.
    In my life, I don’t seem to need a short barrel.
    And I take out a hunting rifle from the safe twice a year.
    Only for hunting. Despite the nature of traveling
    work on different cashiers, the barrel never took.
    In his early youth, in a gangster region, he had, like everyone
    then a shotgun of 12 caliber, but he never shot at people.
    Later, when working in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, I used time sheets PM and
    AKS74 U. For eleven years of service he saw his own.
    time trunks five times, and shot from them two times.
    Not dead from this ...
    Now I’m thinking, well, they’ll legalize the short-barrel, so what?
    I will not run to buy it. But also prohibit it further,
    already a sin! Simply, I will have the opportunity to purchase
    gun, if there are prerequisites for such
    need ...
  28. alien50
    alien50 9 October 2014 15: 38
    +5
    . And if they move it, then many will not need weapons

    +! I support! If a normal law on self-defense is introduced, then I don’t need a gun ...
    While a one-year-old bull punch a forehead into the forehead’s knees!
    And this is at 50 .... laughing
  29. Vita_vko
    Vita_vko 9 October 2014 15: 44
    -1
    Justification of the legalization of weapons by the growth of crime to put it mildly, complete idiocy. It’s the same as putting out a fire with gasoline. 99,9% of citizens will neither morally nor physically be able to protect themselves from a sudden gangster attack. The argument about cartridge cases and the instant detection of a criminal is also from the realm of fantasy. Because everyone knows that most attacks on police and sentries are carried out with the aim of taking possession of weapons. And now, thousands of such weapons are already walking around the country. Therefore, the legalization of weapons is first of all needed by the bandits themselves, so that it would be easier to seize weapons and avoid constant pressure from the police. After all, what could be simpler: I got permission, tapped the first passer-by on the head around the corner, took other people's weapons and you can no longer be afraid that they would figure you out if you use it.
    If you do not take into account death as a result of an accident, then 90-80% of the murders are committed on household grounds while drinking. And in Russia they like to drink, therefore, the number of domestic killings will increase several times at once.
    Now it’s not a war, which would kill people without trial if there is a suspicion of an attempt. The question is, if any sane person on 1 argument for the legalization of weapons can express 10 arguments against, then Who needs this discussion and why? Recently, a number of politicians, including the country's leadership, have been trying to lower the value of human life below the plinth. Obviously this is done on purpose, to smooth out the horror that is happening in Ukraine. But where does the Liberal Democratic Party, which again raise this topic? I think the reason is simple, because the Liberal Democratic Party is funded by oligarchs who dream of having their own PMCs, similar to the American and Polish international criminal organizations, to which NATO gives licenses to kill in any country in the world. Therefore, now in Russia the decision should be diametrically opposite. It is necessary to withdraw traumatic weapons from free sale and transfer them to security companies, as well as police whose military weapons are needed only during special operations and it is not necessary to patrol peaceful streets with military weapons. Then the number of murders, especially custom-made ones, will drop tenfold.
    1. Buran
      Buran 9 October 2014 15: 55
      +3
      I don’t think so. Rather, it is an order from arms corporations. Russia is not a plowed field in terms of sales of both local and foreign brands. "cui prodest?" - "who benefits?"
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    3. doryura
      doryura 9 October 2014 16: 47
      +1
      Quote: Vita_vko
      Justification of the legalization of weapons by the growth of crime to put it mildly, complete idiocy. It’s the same as putting out a fire with gasoline. 99,9% of citizens will neither morally nor physically be able to protect themselves from a sudden gangster attack. The argument about cartridge cases and the instant detection of a criminal is also from the realm of fantasy. Because everyone knows that most attacks on police and sentries are carried out with the aim of taking possession of weapons. And now, thousands of such weapons are already walking around the country. Therefore, the legalization of weapons is first of all needed by the bandits themselves, so that it would be easier to seize weapons and avoid constant pressure from the police. After all, what could be simpler: I got permission, tapped the first passer-by on the head around the corner, took other people's weapons and you can no longer be afraid that they would figure you out if you use it.
      If you do not take into account death as a result of an accident, then 90-80% of the murders are committed on household grounds while drinking. And in Russia they like to drink, therefore, the number of domestic killings will increase several times at once.
      Now it’s not a war, which would kill people without trial if there is a suspicion of an attempt. The question is, if any sane person on 1 argument for the legalization of weapons can express 10 arguments against, then Who needs this discussion and why? Recently, a number of politicians, including the country's leadership, have been trying to lower the value of human life below the plinth. Obviously this is done on purpose, to smooth out the horror that is happening in Ukraine. But where does the Liberal Democratic Party, which again raise this topic? I think the reason is simple, because the Liberal Democratic Party is funded by oligarchs who dream of having their own PMCs, similar to the American and Polish international criminal organizations, to which NATO gives licenses to kill in any country in the world. Therefore, now in Russia the decision should be diametrically opposite. It is necessary to withdraw traumatic weapons from free sale and transfer them to security companies, as well as police whose military weapons are needed only during special operations and it is not necessary to patrol peaceful streets with military weapons. Then the number of murders, especially custom-made ones, will drop tenfold.

      You say complete idiocy? Is it like putting out a fire with gas? what about for example this graph? You will bother to see how things are in other sirens, and not to guess what will happen.
      1. Vita_vko
        Vita_vko 9 October 2014 18: 35
        +2
        Quote: doryura
        You say complete idiocy? Is it like putting out a fire with gas? what about for example this graph? You will bother to see how things are in other sirens, and not to guess what will happen.

        Then I advise you to immediately start living according to thieves' laws. For example, according to the concepts of krysyatnichestvo (ie, stealing from "friends"), you can kill on the spot, therefore in such zones there is the best order and discipline. Or another example is the army hazing. When a handful of grandfathers are in a special position, they provide the best discipline so that the officers do not notice the chaos they are doing in the barracks.
        1. doryura
          doryura 9 October 2014 18: 47
          0
          Quote: Vita_vko
          Quote: doryura
          You say complete idiocy? Is it like putting out a fire with gas? what about for example this graph? You will bother to see how things are in other sirens, and not to guess what will happen.

          Then I advise you to immediately start living according to thieves' laws. For example, according to the concepts of krysyatnichestvo (ie, stealing from "friends"), you can kill on the spot, therefore in such zones there is the best order and discipline. Or another example is the army hazing. When a handful of grandfathers are in a special position, they provide the best discipline so that the officers do not notice the chaos they are doing in the barracks.

          And what does the thieves' laws have to do with it? We are talking about the legal right of every person to the inviolability and inviolability of his property.
          1. Vita_vko
            Vita_vko 9 October 2014 19: 41
            0
            Quote: doryura
            We are talking about the legal right of every person to the inviolability and inviolability of his property.

            If in our courts they turn the Law like a drawbar, but only go to a fair and humane court ... t. It’s easy to imagine how people who know about the criminal code only that such a book exists somewhere will interpret their legal right. What can we say about the youth of Pepsikol and the majors, who manage to bring down dozens of people drunk at crossings and stops and at the same time get off with fines and suspended sentences.
  30. Sanglier
    Sanglier 9 October 2014 15: 50
    +4
    I can add one thing - if you live in a quiet area, like me, 100 meters from the Constantine Palace, then there is no problem. But if I go on business to Karelia or the Vologda region to the forests, to the timber industry enterprises, then very interesting questions about security arise. Because do not lump everyone and everything into one "big heap"!
  31. Samael ranger
    Samael ranger 9 October 2014 15: 56
    +1
    The sale of weapons cannot be allowed until the principle of the inevitability of punishment is in effect. The United States rests on this. Yes and that, with big amendments.
    For a long time already article flashes in a network "On the Free Sale of Arms" http://www.reactioner.com/articles/408.html

    Some people like to build the relationship between the legal sale of weapons and the number of crimes with weapons. So, for some reason they forget to give completely different data. Namely, adjusted for 2008
    The United States ranks first in the world in terms of the number of people being jailed. According to the International Center for Prison Research, located at London Kings College, currently there are 2,3 million criminals in custody in the United States, more than in any other country in the world.

    China, whose population is four times the population of the United States, is in second place, with 1,6 million people in prison. (This includes hundreds of thousands of people serving administrative sentences, mainly through the Chinese non-judicial labor correction system, which is often used against political activists who have not committed any crimes.)


    http://inosmi.ru/panorama/20080506/241194.html
  32. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 9 October 2014 16: 06
    -2
    Many want to hold a weapon, it supposedly protects against bandits. No, it will not protect, well, maybe a few will be able to use it and scare it, but for the most part they will lay you right down.
  33. flSergius
    flSergius 9 October 2014 16: 10
    +4
    In the Russian Federation, there is a fairly reliable system of preliminary verification of the sanity and legal capacity of those who sell firearms. Numerous rumors that, they say, the medical certificate for the purchase of weapons issued to the one who should not be issued, were invariably checked. And invariably they turned out to be rumors devoid of a real basis.

    True, there is one defect in the test system: the person who received the weapon is completely legal, then he became upset by reason and committed a crime in a dim state. Now this system is being finalized so that such cases would be practically excluded. By the way, those issuing certificates understand what they will have to answer for if they issue a certificate to the wrong person.

    Finally, the last argument: people will buy weapons, but they will not know how to handle them and will start shooting at random. Now rubber shooters and hunting weapons are sold to those who have completed the course. In order to purchase a short-haul, you will also need to undergo the appropriate course and regular retraining with a re-examination.


    Whoever does not agree with Wasserman on these points, let him hand over the rights to the traffic police. You can drive around the city on a vehicle weighing 1,5 tons with 60km / h you can see, including secreted hens and cattle fellow, but you can’t protect yourself, relatives and property? Rave...
  34. would
    would 9 October 2014 16: 15
    +9
    One of my favorite topics. If earlier in the comments they wrote that a man must necessarily serve in the army, otherwise he is not a man, now all the "patriots" have abruptly changed the vector and said that in general, ALL the population of the Russian Federation is not suitable for military service ... Guys, you will decide already! Either the population is fit for military service, or all the Russians know yourself who, in the opinion of our politicians (I cannot write a direct speech because it contradicts the rules) and are not suitable for the army.

    Especially surprising are the exclamations against the legalization of weapons. Dear friends, I’m now going to the store and, if I have a license, I can buy a 12-gauge carbine there (you can read and see about its slaughter), a self-loading version of the AK, small things for .22LR or 9x19 (yes, a rifle for a pistol cartridge), a sniper a rifle like SVD. And so for many years: Where are the constant massacres? Where are school shootings that scare us so often? Where are the bloodstained streets? There are only a few cases where the role was played not by weapons, but by psychos. Moreover, the worst thing is that they are crazy and no one did anything.

    I generally live in a military town. And under my windows there are constantly boys in military uniforms and often with military weapons. Are they any special? I don’t think ... almost everything is absolutely not a better mind, but now it’s widespread. And they have the AK74M in their hands. For all those years while I live here something no mass shootings and the like have happened.

    Where are the horrors that Russophobes so often promise who consider Russians at least cavemen? I have never seen them.

    Why is a veteran of the RF Armed Forces with the rank of colonel who, as a cadet with a machine gun in his hands, defended civilians during mass riots in one of the republics of the USSR SUDDENLY proved unsuitable for owning a gun? Especially taking into account the fact that already as an officer there was not even one gun and he climbed with him in a very criminal area where people were constantly killed and a huge part of the population was from the colonies. And it was necessary to be there by order. And he was ... with a pistol on a combat platoon and with a finger on the trigger. As a result, he remained alive and is now quietly working on a civilian with a pension.


    There is very little logic in all of this. As well as the fact that you can buy a 12-gauge monster and shoot from there with a magnum with a muzzle energy of 4380J. But in order to buy .22LR small fry (children shot at schools in the USSR from it), you need to weave out 12 gauge in my 5 years old.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 9 October 2014 16: 28
      +2
      Especially surprising are the exclamations against the legalization of weapons. Dear friends, I’m now going to the store and, if I have a license, I can buy a 12-gauge carbine there (you can read and see about its slaughter), a self-loading version of the AK, small things for .22LR or 9x19 (yes, a rifle for a pistol cartridge), a sniper a rifle like SVD. And so for many years: Where are the constant massacres? Where are school shootings that scare us so often? Where are the bloodstained streets?
      as I understand it, you always carry it with you, how do the owners of the short barrel want it? Yes, and bandits run around the cities with a 12-gauge?
      1. would
        would 9 October 2014 16: 34
        +2
        Anyone who wants to be easy to wear and there are no obstacles to this. Moreover: Many who want to ALREADY carry and carry with them.

        I am already silent about the criminal who, if necessary, will be so sure to carry with him.

        "and the bandits run around the cities with a 12-gauge?"


        A couple of years ago in the center of Khabarovsk, with the participation of riot police, a criminal on the federal wanted list was detained. In the car, a weapon cover was discovered inside which was Saiga and several equipped stores for it.

        So those who need to carry with them whatever they want. After all, the black market is open for them.
        1. would
          would 9 October 2014 16: 53
          +1
          Due to the fact that I can’t change the message (apparently too much time has passed) I will add a video with delayed response (using the link so as not to clutter up the comments).

          http://youtu.be/5vm8fvm60Vk

          They will show Saig at 2:10.
    2. iConst
      iConst 9 October 2014 16: 35
      +1
      Quote: rait
      ... a rifle under a pistol cartridge), a sniper rifle like SVD. And so for many years: Where are the constant massacres? ...

      A long barrel is secretly difficult to carry. From here and boil.
      1. would
        would 9 October 2014 16: 38
        +1
        And who will check? Who will climb people’s bags? Yes, no one will ever do this everywhere (maximum at some events where the short-barrel will be found during verification). And the long barrel just the same, by law, is carried covertly in a weapon case.
  35. Bassoon
    Bassoon 9 October 2014 16: 16
    -1
    Well, if policemen cannot stand on every corner, then their number must be increased, as well as inserting caps for an inoperative response to calls from citizens. Then, in my opinion, the number of spontaneous pro-European shares in Russian cities will sharply decrease.
  36. saag
    saag 9 October 2014 16: 23
    +2
    On the road, it will seem to someone that he was cut off, he will catch up and shoot the "offender" at the wheel of the car; to protect someone with a weapon, it will rather pass by, because society is disunited, and with weapons it will become even more disunited, to protect the family is also from the realm of virtuality, at the time of an attack on loved ones you can be in a completely different place and how your favorite pistol will help you it's like when a hypothetical water pipe is rotten and the people demand from the state to give them tools to repair it, like so it will be more intact, not accepting that the pipe has already rotted, it just needs to be replaced with another one, in which no tools are needed. put it down and forgot for thirty years that it is.
    1. would
      would 9 October 2014 16: 28
      +2
      "On the road, it will seem to someone that he was cut off, he will catch up and shoot at the wheel of the" offender's "car"

      A bullet cartridge case in place, they will find it very quickly and plant for a long time. And there wasn’t such a thing with the use of the current civilian firearm.
      1. saag
        saag 9 October 2014 16: 51
        0
        Quote: rait
        A bullet cartridge case in place, they will find it very quickly and plant for a long time.

        And if it’s a revolver, there’s a gun, Colt python and others, what sleeve will be found there ??? Or was the gun taken from one that is burning with a desire to get hold of it?
        1. would
          would 9 October 2014 16: 55
          +1
          As always, there are many justifications, but not a single fact and hypothetical thing is translated into practical.

          Even if there is no sleeve there will be a bullet. And if this trunk was taken away from someone (which generally happens exclusively in the form of a phenomenon despite the exclamations of people like you) ... then when they find the criminal they solder him even more. Well, it goes without saying that only the finished will shoot in the middle of the track.
          1. saag
            saag 9 October 2014 17: 38
            +2
            Quote: rait
            And if this trunk was taken away from someone (which generally happens exclusively in the form of a phenomenon despite the exclamations of people like you) ..



            Yes, it’s such a direct exceptional case, anyone who gets the barrel with such an invincible giant seems to himself that there is Rambo, in general the globe is only a pedestal for such a cool alex, they’re taken away from such people.
            1. would
              would 9 October 2014 20: 28
              0
              And again, a lot of speculation interspersed with fantasies and not a single fact ... how typical it is.
          2. Wheel
            Wheel 9 October 2014 19: 09
            0
            Quote: rait
            Well, it goes without saying that only the finished will shoot in the middle of the track.

            If in traffic jams in cities they shoot, what can we say about the tracks ...
            1. would
              would 9 October 2014 19: 15
              0
              Link please. It’s very interesting which one I decided to shoot from a gunshot in the middle of the city ...
        2. iConst
          iConst 9 October 2014 17: 10
          0
          Quote: saag
          And if it’s a revolver, there’s a gun, Colt python and others, what sleeve will be found there ??? Or was the gun taken from one that is burning with a desire to get hold of it?

          In-in. And the bullet can also be filed - it will not be useful for identification.
          1. would
            would 9 October 2014 17: 11
            0
            Try to cut the "bullet" making it unsuitable for identification and then shoot :) After that you will find out why real, not fantasy criminals never use it.
            1. iConst
              iConst 9 October 2014 17: 28
              0
              Quote: rait
              Try to cut the "bullet" making it unsuitable for identification and then shoot :) After that you will find out why real, not fantasy criminals never use it.

              I didn’t do it myself, but I know for sure that having cut the head in a special way, from a close distance the shell is simply "pulled off" from the core and crumpled. Another thing is that it is not entirely reliable and the pros do not.
              1. would
                would 9 October 2014 17: 34
                0
                Well, you still try fellow After that, you will find out exactly why those same bandits do not do this and leave bullets at the crime scene where they are found.
                1. iConst
                  iConst 9 October 2014 17: 49
                  0
                  Quote: rait
                  Well, you still try fellow After that, you will find out exactly why those same bandits do not do this and leave bullets at the crime scene where they are found.

                  Yes, I will not try - to breed intrigue - why?
      2. Wheel
        Wheel 9 October 2014 19: 07
        0
        Quote: rait
        And there wasn’t such a thing with the use of the current civilian firearm.

        Bullet from injuries just hold on!
        Almost every week on TV about such cases of infa passes.
        1. would
          would 9 October 2014 19: 15
          0
          Injury is not the gun that I mean. This is a device about which by all means they suggested that it is safe and can not kill.

          I'm talking about the real one: About the smoothbore, about the civilian rifled.

          Are there any systemic cases of such offenses with him? Personally, I have not seen or heard.
  37. Bobo beck
    Bobo beck 9 October 2014 16: 39
    -1
    What stump put a minus for me? Damn, the boys are sitting here, they are arguing, here’s the drunkard’s weapon in his hands, here are the crooks — don’t need to humiliate your people like that. Firstly, not everyone will take weapons, Secondly, not everyone needs weapons, Thirdly, a citizen, unlike a slave, has the right to be free and protected. We, at the wheel, have a lot of killers and suicides ...
  38. doryura
    doryura 9 October 2014 16: 52
    0
    For those who wonder what will happen wink (Right mouse button - open in a new tab)
  39. soviet skytourist
    soviet skytourist 9 October 2014 16: 59
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  40. Everest2014
    Everest2014 9 October 2014 17: 06
    0
    With short dashes, the family rattling machine guns with pouches confidently moved to the market, my grandmother with a sniper rifle covered the rear from the window, my grandfather was lovingly fingering the old DShK. Wasserman with citizenship knows better than a dead woman, in dill now only the lazy one doesn’t run with a gun. What is he doing in Russia? Let him push his cozy nest in the Russian Federation and roll back to his homeland, a trunk of 500 UAH will be packed there and be proud of self-defense, until it is thrown with grenades.
    1. iConst
      iConst 9 October 2014 17: 17
      0
      Quote: everest2014
      With short dashes, the family rattling machine guns with pouches confidently moved to the market, my grandmother with a sniper rifle covered the rear from the window, my grandfather was lovingly fingering the old DShK.

      Grandpa was late - operation "fresh dill" has already begun.
    2. Ivan 63
      Ivan 63 9 October 2014 17: 21
      0
      I think you’re not that Everest, you don’t even pull on a hillock — rather a muddy puddle. The weapon for a normal citizen is natural and not to understand this- illness, obstinacy, or- sabotage and wrecking.
    3. Ivan 63
      Ivan 63 9 October 2014 17: 21
      -1
      I think you’re not that Everest, you don’t even pull on a hillock — rather a muddy puddle. The weapon for a normal citizen is natural and not to understand this- illness, obstinacy, or- sabotage and wrecking.
    4. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 9 October 2014 18: 47
      +4
      Quote: everest2014
      Wasserman with citizenship knows better than a dead woman, in dill now only the lazy one doesn’t run with a gun. What is he doing in Russia?

      What is he doing at ErEf? Well, not quite stupid people explain common truths! One Wasserman, Anatoly Alexandrovich, is needed for Russia by hundreds of Berezovsky, Abramovich, Nemtsov, Chubais and other bastards. Combined.
  41. Everest2014
    Everest2014 9 October 2014 17: 24
    +1
    Ivanushka, do you have enough carbines / double-barreled shotguns / injuries? Or do you not even have this? Well, don’t drink from the hoof ... (c)
  42. soivmser
    soivmser 9 October 2014 17: 54
    +4
    I carry around with PM 9 mm almost every day. I hate him.
    1. smart75
      smart75 9 October 2014 18: 00
      +1
      Year wore gas (1994).
      How he got me then!
    2. Buran
      Buran 9 October 2014 18: 13
      0
      My nephew went hunting. I have two trunks, Saiga 12 and Mosinka cavalry. Pelmash whined for a week so that I would give him a trunk for hunting. So what, ten kilometers passed, in the end I had to carry both trunks on myself. It turned out to be easier to drag a backpack with overload than a barrel. Not so much physically as psychologically. He was afraid that he would shoot.
    3. iConst
      iConst 9 October 2014 18: 14
      0
      Quote: soivmser
      I carry around with PM 9 mm almost every day. I hate him.

      So the possession of a pistol does not imply its mandatory wearing.
  43. smart75
    smart75 9 October 2014 17: 56
    -2
    Quote: Baron Ungern
    erno! Weapons do not need a coward who, at the slightest threat, plans to flee. A Russian man’s weapon is simply necessary — he must fight back not only when attacking himself and his family, but also for someone else’s person who is being pressed into the gateway. Without a weapon this is problematic. But the proud people are extremely dangerous to our rulers! Therefore, they will not give Russian weapons (until they take revenge as in New Russia).


    Lord And again, these nonsense about the state’s fear of the proud people.
    You are stupidly divorced. In fact, for the state there is NO problem from citizens with PM or Margolin.
    Citizens will have problems.
    Or have you already bought armor for the whole family?
    1. would
      would 9 October 2014 18: 01
      -1
      Once again I ask you to show me these problems.
  44. Letnab
    Letnab 9 October 2014 18: 26
    0
    I am for legalization!
    A couple of cases from our town:
    The family went out like a vacation outside the city. It seems like a place, albeit in the distance, but quite a popular place among the inhabitants of our city. It seems that everything is fine, but in the evening a young guy came there, brought a girlfriend with him, cut the music louder and rests his own way. Not only didn’t react to the remarks of the earlier arrived family and arguments about the children, he also sent them, as a result, he received a little upbringing from the peasant of the earlier arrived family. Of course, I wound science on my mustache, but in my own way ... I informed my friends by phone, after which several cars with young people arrive, each with a bit. The result, a man and a woman in intensive care, a car is broken, children are in a state of shock .... Gentlemen are pacifists! What would happen if a man were armed, and preferably unlimited in self-defense? Say the other side might also be armed, but in this case I think both sides would try to agree initially ... But this case led me to the idea that such a vacation should be carried with arms, more chances to survive ...
    Another case. My friend, inadvertently in the parking lot, blocked the exit of one car for a minute, well, the situation was due to the limited parking places and time. The situation before the New Year, probably many have come across this. A man who turned out to be temporarily closed was furious, did not respond to an apology, called his comrades for help and pulled my friend to a showdown in the suburbs. As you know, there was a criminal situation ... This friend of mine had a gun with him, I don’t know if it was legal or not. And when he arrived at the showdown, he came out with weapons, and said bluntly, if there is a one-on-one showdown with offended, that is, manly, then there are no problems, honestly stand up for yourself! But if they start to beat the crowd, they will shoot ... On this the conflict was resolved, and both sides parted ... Gentlemen are pacifists! What do you think, would I have known this story if my acquaintance were unarmed?
    Yes, our people are still quite aggressive, but the opportunity to get a great deal of many people stops, and most often saves life and health. And if a person realizes that for the salvation of his life, as well as the people around him, he will be justified, I hope there will be less indifference among the people. And then we are afraid of ourselves ...
  45. saag
    saag 9 October 2014 18: 35
    0
    Quote: Letnab
    Yes, our people are pretty aggressive, but the ability to get a lot of answers

    But I know a different story when a policeman shot from a trauma in the thigh to a driver of road equipment due to the fact that he didn’t give way and the roadman died from blood loss
    1. Letnab
      Letnab 9 October 2014 20: 06
      +1
      I remember this story. Here are just such situations just from impunity ... I also know cases where employees of that police still waved their trunks while drunk, and again from the feeling of omnipotence due to impunity. And they will know that an answer is possible, they will begin to think.
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    3. korol yasheriz
      korol yasheriz 10 October 2014 19: 02
      0
      I would have looked how that policeman would have shot at the road builder, if the roadman and passers-by had trunks with him.
  46. AUL
    AUL 9 October 2014 18: 58
    +1
    Quote: wasjasibirjac
    Quote: s-t Petrov
    it will be possible not even to leave the house now to punish the drunken company under the windows laughing

    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    It sure wassat

    idiocy. call the police squad and write a statement stating that this company prevented you from sleeping and its members will call for 15 days for petty hooliganism.

    Sure sure! And all the police right there, with banners deployed, will rush to guard your peace!
    Dear, what country do you live in? Or have you seen enough series about Mukhtar?
    When my apartment was robbed, the district police officer appeared about 4 hours after the call (moreover, his wife was in the UAZ at that time, he first captured her somewhere). He looked, called the investigator, who arrived after another 3 hours (though without a wife). The matter, of course, remained the capercaillie ...
    But on the merits of the question, the following thoughts.
    1. The criminal, committing his dirty deed, always hopes for impunity - whether it be a professional killer or a street gopnik. Everyone probably saw the footage in various chronicles (such as Road Wars or the scene of an accident), when good fellows on the roads popped up with bats or injuries in order to punish those who didn’t lose their way. Have you noticed that, for example, the Gelenvagen, cool Behi or Kruzaki do not rush? There you can run into problems! And they rush at those cars where one nerd or auto-ice is driving. You won’t get from them! But if they knew that this nerd CAN get the trunk out of the glove compartment, would they jump so briskly?
    2. You are afraid that criminals will arm themselves beyond measure. I can assure you that criminals have plenty of weapons. To buy a cop, automatic or grenade launcher is not a question if there would be money. And the criminal does not need a legal, registered weapon. Law-abiding citizens need weapons for self-defense against the backdrop of police inaction.
    3. Are you afraid that we will kill each other while drunk? So most domestic murders are committed with kitchen knives, bottles and a kumpol stool. The drunk will not buy the trunk - he will buy a box of vodka!

    So whoever wants to have a weapon must have a right to this (with corresponding responsibility, of course)! Who does not want - do not buy!
    1. Wheel
      Wheel 9 October 2014 20: 32
      0
      Quote: AUL
      When my apartment was robbed, the district police officer appeared about 4 hours after the call (moreover, his wife was in the UAZ at that time, he first captured her somewhere). He looked, called the investigator, who arrived after another 3 hours (though without a wife). The matter, of course, remained the capercaillie ...

      Uh, excuse me, but how can the short barrel help you with this? belay

      Threat. When my daughter began to break, the police arrived in less than five minutes and tied two drunk idiots right at the door of the apartment.
      Well mixed up at a drunk house. What, they had to shoot?
      1. would
        would 9 October 2014 21: 12
        +1
        5 minutes in the city. What did we do to the residents of remote areas where USTOVIKOVY is located for many kilometers? Or what is cooler for residents of the private sector.

        "Uh, excuse me, but how can a short-barreled help you with this?"

        Repel robbers, no?
        1. smart75
          smart75 10 October 2014 01: 18
          0
          Buy yourself a pump (it is forbidden in Germany, by the way. Colt is possible, but the pump is no-no)
          After 5 years - a carbine "Tiger" or "Vepr" (almost SVD).
          Why do you need Makarov?


          I myself have lived in the village for 5 years.
          Weapons bought 6 years ago in the city. FABARM TACTICAL.
          Why do I need a gun?
          1. would
            would 10 October 2014 21: 06
            0
            The question is not "why?", But "where is the logic?" For me, permission for low-power and ineffective weapons is a matter of logic. You bought yourself a shotgun ... But what about the same armor for the family that you recommended to buy to all those for logic? What about the same problems? Somehow, hypocritically, in a Hoplophobic manner, you get: You can have a high-power weapon, but everyone else will have problems.
            1. smart75
              smart75 10 October 2014 23: 44
              0
              I do not understand: you can not only me, but you.
              Any citizen of Russia can get permission and buy it.
              More precisely, any not convicted, sane, not a drug addict.

              About broniki - they won’t save from the pump.
              This is really a lethal weapon, but it will not work to carry it hidden.
              I don’t even wear - this is a weapon for the home. For the very last case.

              I walk unarmed down the street.
              I'm a programmer, not a gangster smile
              1. would
                would 11 October 2014 06: 49
                0
                I will quote you if you forgot what you wrote.

                Citizens will have problems.
                Or have you already bought armor for the whole family?


                You have stated that arming citizens is a problem for citizens and the need for bronics for the whole family. So why then did you buy a pump action shotgun? Or we can’t, but you can?
  47. Bowless
    Bowless 9 October 2014 19: 25
    +3
    As I understand it, most of the barrel is needed to increase self-esteem.
    So just from work a member is not worth it ???
    I work in a car repair shop, a client sometimes comes with trunks. I can say for sure that with these citizens I won’t go into reconnaissance, because I’m stupid people, majors and fashionistas.
    GMO majors and GMO macho. Such as Semenchenko ....
    Threat. Tyras are needed and polygons are many and different for hotheads.
  48. Everest2014
    Everest2014 9 October 2014 19: 34
    +2
    And if the girl went with an ultrasound in a satchel, then the hooligans would not have taken away the ice cream from the boy. Arguments like a tracing-paper.

    Proponents of legalization: Russian special forces bronik, starting price for the auction, in the global ebay flea market 40 tr., Final 80 tr. Fly in, otherwise the conflict will not beat you with a bat or with your fists.

    NVD, helmet, camouflage, berets, field radios for the family for some money :)
  49. gammipapa
    gammipapa 9 October 2014 19: 44
    +2
    Again, money for fish, well, since they decided to replenish the budget by pumping money out of our pockets for the purchase of pistols, it means now they will not unhook.

    It is ridiculous to read - but I need it, but I definitely need it. And everyone else does not need you to have it. Because in the fight 99 percent that the fighters do not die, but with the use of the short-barreled 99 percent that one corpse. Do we have too many people? Aw, and so nichrome is not his people then

    Who does not want, do not buy. It’s very cool, it won’t be fools if such a booze goes, then everyone will have to buy, even if you really don’t want to.
  50. Boris63
    Boris63 9 October 2014 20: 28
    0
    With strict adherence to the issuance of permits, why not. The bandyugans have had trunks for a long time and are different. Any drunkard will not be able to "master" the barrel, in no case, training courses (money and time), a medical certificate is a little easier, but nevertheless, with a possible punishment, they will not be given out just like that. And finally, the cost of the barrel itself will probably be from 60 tyrs, if you sum up the costs it will be clear that not everyone can afford such a "whim", plus not everyone wants to just buy it. There are a lot of weapons (legal) in AI, but there are also many people who just don't want to buy weapons.
    Personally, I do not need a trunk, at least for now. A shallow rifle with trunks do not go, they are mainly with a knife and a pipe trim.