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God forbid we go crazy

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God forbid we go crazy.
It is better - the staff and sou.
In the old days, we went crazy personally.
And now the service has information crazy.
Calling progress is indecent ...

For people burdened historical thinking and cognition, anti-Russian events in Ukraine were not a big surprise, but rather were expected. The only discussion was the question of the timing and depth of the next exacerbation of this centuries-old fault. About the severity and depth of the Russian-Ukrainian interethnic fault, our life together and history speaks vividly, colorfully and almost continuously. Much, informatively and from different points of view, it was written about this and on "VO".

Here are just a few links:
Formation of the Dnieper and Zaporizhia troops and their service to the Polish-Lithuanian state;
The transfer of the Cossack army hetman to the Moscow service;
Treason of Mazepa and the pogrom of Cossack liberties by Tsar Peter;
Treason of Mazepa and the pogrom of Cossack liberties by Tsar Peter;
The uprising of Pugachev and the elimination of the Dnieper Cossacks by Empress Catherine.

Another thing is that not everyone has been given this to know and see, well, God bless them. In this world there must always be blind people, otherwise what is the need for guides. In this centuries-old Russian-Ukrainian disorder there were periods of acute and cruel confrontation, and there were periods of long and relative lull and reconciliation, when the confrontation of Ukrainians was regulated by the ancient and inexorable law of existence in the diaspora: “... surreptitiously and hypocritically sow disbelief and doubt, hoit and sneak, debauchery and vices ... "etc., etc. The babble of historically illiterate people that recent events are a consequence of the policies of the last 23 years can be answered with the words from the Scripture: “Happy, who does not know.” However, ignorance does not justify people in committing folly and mistakes. Ignorance of the history, traditions and mentality of the Afghan peoples does not in the least justify Brezhnev and Andropov for the introduction of troops into Afghanistan.

I grew and matured in the 60-80 years of the twentieth century, in the period of international calm and peace, but even then my attentive gaze periodically cut ukrov antics. Here is one of the typical mise en scenes. When I served in the army (DMB 82-84), often in the officer's hotel they played preference. Among us were officers, Dnieper ukry (Zaporizhia, Dnepropetrovsk, Poltava). So, after the third glass, they traditionally started their song: “Ukraine is rich, we have everything. But the Union (Muscovites) is robbing us, they have eaten all our lard, drank all the vodka, have rehauled all our marvels. ”

It was unpleasant for us to listen to this nonsense, we stopped inviting them to the “bullet”. It is curious that among us was one Kazakh lieutenant. So, such nonsense, only in the Kazakh manner, he began to carry only after ... the sixth glass. (Now I think with horror when this “sixth glass” shoots out in Russian-Kazakh relations, because we all know: what is drunk in the language, then what’s sober in the head. For me this question is not idle, I live a hundred kilometers from the Kazakh border. )

Then, in the civilian world, I quite regularly went on business trips to related enterprises in Ukraine. And these trips first engendered, and then more and more strengthened some distrust of the people there. Outwardly, everything seemed to be garneau, but the attentive eye could not hide a stone in the bosom. However, what to repeat. He described everything in more detail in the article: http://topwar.ru/53959-remarki-na-ukrainskuyu-temu.html.

Perestroika turned out to be a “moment of truth” and showed that “xy is xy” in our Union. With the Balts and the Georgians everything was clear, these almost always hated us and longed for the destruction of the Union, although the Russians saved the Georgians from extermination by the Persians and Turks, and the Baltic states from extermination and assimilation (like Prussians) by the Germans and Poles. At the same time, one of the companions of Gamsakhurdia was especially impressed with him, who said: “But no one asked you to save us. If we were exterminated, then such was the will of God and the historical fate of our people. ”

With ukrami everything was much smarter and more cunning. Sneakily and hypocritically, they prepared a stab in the back of the Union, and when, after the Emergency Committee, the opportunity presented itself, they immediately took advantage of this opportunity. In December, 1991, even on the way to Belovezhie, at the Minsk airport, the president of Ukraine, Kravchuk, said that Ukraine would not sign the new union treaty IN ANY WHAT VIDEO. From such arrogance and deceit, even among the seasoned traitors and destroyers of the country Yeltsin and Shushkevich, their eyes became 7 kopecks, and Burbulis and Shahrai were speechless. Their first comments (it is easy to see in the archives of television) were completely similar to the first vague and frightened muttering Matvienko and Naryshkin on the recent decision of the President of Russia to annex the Crimea. Then Shahray with Burbulis in a hurry and came up with this bastard called the CIS.

However, even then Kravchuk declared that Ukraine didn’t need this either, and he signed up for the CIS more out of politeness. All subsequent democratically elected Ukrainian hetmans (that is, the presidents) only widened, deepened, aggravated and deepened the gulf between our peoples and states - who are more, who are smaller. However, it is at least naive to blame everything on them and the gentry around them.

The Scripture says: "Every nation deserves its ruler", which loosely translated from Russian into Russian means: "A clever people cannot have a stupid ruler, a stupid people can not have a clever ruler, a cunning people cannot have a simple-ruler , a tolerant people cannot have a racist or fanatic ruler, a militant people cannot have a pacifist ruler, etc. ”

So, ukry elected not aliens as presidents and deputies, but of their own kind, only more cunning, insidious, unscrupulous, unprincipled, thieving, boorish and hypocritical than themselves.

With all my extremely wary attitude towards Ukraine and the Ukrainians, and this is putting it mildly, I did not dare to write sharply on this topic for a very long time, I was afraid to harm. But the situation was getting worse, and since the beginning of 2012, my articles and comments have become sharper. At first, they called on “VO” more minuses than pluses, but even then I realized that I was not alone in my doubts. Plusping has gone since summer 2013 of the year: apparently, people began to see clearly.

After all, we are Russian - a nation of myth-makers and myth-believers. Only a harsh reality is capable of clearing brains and freeing itself from some myths, as well as the bitter and sweet tales invented by Russian storytellers, to many (even far from everyone). The insight of our mass consciousness towards Ukraine and the Ukrainians went very slowly, the myths and sweet tales of Russian storytellers about the brotherhood of Slavic peoples very slowly leave the body and soul of a very gullible Russian person prone to pleasant fantasies. However, a fair question arises: why the hell did I now recall all this sad chronology of destruction, when now only the lazy ones did not see the light and do not water the last words with ukrov?

But the fact is that I am still afraid to raise one very slippery topic in this Russian-Ukrainian business. But my attentive eye, sensitive ear and analytical mind began to grab more and more disturbing symptoms and signals, and I decided. I will formulate this topic in the following way: the possible behavior of the Ukrainian diaspora in Russia in the conditions of a protracted (and there is no doubt about it) Russian-Ukrainian conflict. There is very little hope for the attenuation and dimming of this conflict. A quick glance at Ukrainian TV and the Internet is enough to understand that Russophobia is raging in Ukraine. From telephone conversations with the Ukrainian relatives in shock, even those Russian Ukrainians, whom you can’t call Russophiles. The rest is just a stupor. For Americans and our European enemies at the moment this is a huge geopolitical success. There has never been anything good from a united Europe to Russia, NEVER. Moreover, there will be nothing good even now, especially from the united Europe and even united with North America. However, they know the lessons of history well, they are different in Harvard-Oxford and Sorbonne, they teach the gentry. Therefore, I recall the old European geopolitical parable.

It is known that having piled on a crowd, you can even cover a bear, although this is not an indisputable fact. But first, he will definitely break it. Therefore, no one wants to be the first. For this you need to find fools. For many centuries the role of these fools was played by the Turks and Poles together with the Allied and subordinate tribes. Wise Europeans regularly sent them to the east for slaughter. Not once did the Germans, the Swedes and the French, once even the British, be noted as fools. Americans, pay attention, are too smart to do such a stupid job. Now, the old fools have already been taught, so they are looking for new ones. Recently, in this field unsuccessfully tried to find the laurels, even the Georgians, now the Americans have a row of Ukrainians. And it is very inexpensive, practically for the pies on the Maidan, they got their hands on several millions of crazy fighting cockerels, ready to rush recklessly and impudently at everyone whom the trainer points out. And Ukraine itself will obediently and for a long time play the role of a hungry, but evil, watchdog dog of the West in southwest Russia. This is unheard of luck of the united West, and the most honest of them have already frankly stated that they will selflessly fight with Russia ... "until the last living Ukrainian".

But back to our Russian Ukrainians. The behavior of the diaspora is already somewhat puzzling, namely:

- chronic, deathly silence of the Ukrainian diaspora regarding the conflict. It is impossible to talk either publicly or privately, not that from the third glass (remember the preference story at the beginning of the article), even from the fifth to the tenth. They stubbornly keep silent, like they’ve got water in their mouths, well, and as a result, they all think about us. The third is not given;

- periodically signs of active actions began to appear: demonstrations in the capitals of actual support for the ATO in the south-east under the Ukrainian flags, mysterious and suspicious road accidents, fights, mass injuries of the unwary our fellow citizens with the participation of citizens of Ukraine and their accomplices.

It seems not yet thick, well, thank God. But the deathly silence of the diaspora is very annoying. Despite its relative small number, if taken as a whole in Russia, it is distributed unevenly across regions.


Fig. 1. Distribution of Ukrainians by regions of Russia in% of the total population of the region, including non-citizens and illegal immigrants


As can be seen on the map, the largest percentage of Ukrainians are represented in the most economically prosperous regions, which is quite consistent with the century-long tendency of this public to remove the foams and cream in any situation. Who served in the army, he hardly presents, to the clerk, storekeeper, bread slicer or capter - but not Ukrainian. To tell the truth, even in the places of the most mass diaspora its percentage is much lower than the so-called critical mass (20%), but in some regions it is very close to this.

I recall the essence of this very critical mass. Suppose the play is over. 20% of the audience really liked it, they get up, start to applaud, shout bravo, encore and all that. Another 20% of viewers liked the play rather than not, they also stand up and applaud. 20% of the spectators either liked the show or didn’t understand it, but, looking at others, they also begin to stand up and applaud. Another 20% of the audience did not understand anything, but looking at others, they reluctantly get up and begin to applaud. Another 20% of the audience did not like the performance, but after a while, seeing general rejoicing, they reluctantly get up and sluggishly applaud "for the company." This is how the effect of applause arises. Similarly, you can simulate the failure. In any case, there must be at least 20% radicals that must detonate, create a chain reaction, otherwise nothing will come of it. This is what makes the Ukrainian diaspora more concerned in some key regions. No one knows fellow countrymen better than themselves, well, and the opinion of T.G. Shevchenko is just a classic.

God forbid we go crazy

Fig. 2. Opinion classic about countrymen


And he will always remain a Ukrainian, a Ukrainian, even though you let him go to Europe, even to Asia ... The whole question is when, how, in what form and with what jokes he makes a mess in this very soup.

I really want to make a mistake in my premonition and prediction, and keep silent again. But here is something my old, hard, tanned skin does not allow to do this. Spinal cord I feel that from this diaspora Russians are still waiting for us many wonderful discoveries, not excluding the Crimean diaspora.
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  1. DRA-88
    DRA-88 9 October 2014 09: 14
    +5
    The author again tries to draw a line of nationalism between one People!
    For me, the obvious minus!
    1. Ataman
      Ataman 9 October 2014 09: 26
      +19
      Concerning Shevchenko's poem "Khokhly" - this is a fake.
      Alteration of Derzhavin's poem "Grandee":
      The donkey will remain a donkey
      While screeching it with stars;
      Where the mind must act,
      He only claps his ears.
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 9 October 2014 10: 20
        +6
        Quote: Ataman
        Concerning Shevchenko's poem "Khokhly" - this is a fake.


        Not to mention the fact that in the days of Monomakh (the Prince of Kiev) there were no Ukrainians either. It was Kievan Rus.
        1. Tor hummer
          Tor hummer 9 October 2014 12: 56
          +3
          Quote: mamont5
          Not to mention the fact that in the days of Monomakh (the Prince of Kiev) there were no Ukrainians either. It was Kievan Rus.

          And there was no Kievan Rus either. The term "Kievan Rus" appeared at the end of the 19th century at the Moscow University, to denote the period of the existence of Rus during the period when Kiev was the capital.
      2. assembly
        assembly 9 October 2014 11: 49
        +2
        Quote: Ataman
        Concerning Shevchenko's poem "Khokhly" - this is a fake.

        Well, I don’t know about this particular alteration, but I remember one saying about Ukrainians, I remember from the 80s, before perestroika: "where the crest passed, the Jew has nothing to do ..." by the way, from my uncle, who, after graduation from the institute, ended up in the mines in Lugansk (then Voroshilovgrad) ...
      3. Kite
        Kite 9 October 2014 22: 14
        0
        Quote: Ataman
        Concerning Shevchenko's poem "Khokhly" - this is a fake.

        - The card is also very similar to disu! The last time I was asked about my nationality was so long ago that I don’t remember whether I was a school student or a student. Could not interview only Ukrainians? So the poll could not pass by most of us.
        And there is no Ukrainian diaspora in Russia! My friends and wife live according to the same cultural standards with me and everyone.
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 9 October 2014 09: 47
      +12
      I wonder by what principle the author defines the Ukrainian diaspora in the Russian Federation?

      1. By Ukrainian last names in the telephone directory of Russian cities?
      2. According to the office. censuses where people called themselves Ukrainians but grew up in the education system of the USSR and Russia?
      3. According to the Federal Migration Service, where does the author consider Ukrainians to be adults who have been educated as independent, and thus can raise a bum?
      4. Refugees, regardless of nationality and surnames, about which there are enough rumors and speculation that they allegedly do not like anything in the Russian Federation and they constantly demand something else ...?
      5. Gastrarbeiters from Western Ukraine, what came for the season?

      What does the author want to convey? What is the scheme shown in the figure in percent of the resettlement, is it latent pravoseki?

      The author should read my publications about the erosion of the Russian ethnos in Ukraine with the help of consumerism and assimilation by farmers. No matter how surprised he was later that someone Sergei with the surname Ivanov did not stab him with a pen, with the words: "Glory to Ukraine." Although he came to live in Ukraine in 2007 from Vologda and at the age of 20-22, and grew up on Russian history textbooks in Russia itself. I know such frames, and the author? And I also know people who speak surzhik or even Ukrainian, but they will tear their mouths apart for Russia. Only the worldview, only the virus of farming and consumption, are primary. Nationality is secondary. Minus from me.
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 9 October 2014 10: 01
        +3
        To be continued. Do not be afraid of Ukrainians in Russia, but be afraid that the Russians themselves do not catch the Svidomo infection under certain external circumstances.

        Where did the Svidomo virus come from in the Russians of Ukraine? Why aren't all Russians in Ukraine ill? On the way to the vaccine ...

        http://www.ua-pravda.com/politprognoz/otkuda-vzyalsya-virus-svidomosti-v-ukraine
        .html
      2. Max otto
        Max otto 9 October 2014 10: 08
        +2
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        I wonder by what principle the author defines the Ukrainian diaspora in the Russian Federation?

        Something I looked at the card with interest, and I realized that it was compiled from the bulldozer in order to scare the average man with the hoax, because there will not be so many Ukrainians in Ukraine. Just found the data, it seems to me correct on this site: http://geographyofrussia.com/nacionalnyj-sostav-naseleniya-rossii/

        79,8% (115 thousand) - Russians;
        1% (1457,7 thousand) - nationality is not indicated;
        19, 2% (27838,1) - other nationalities. Of them:
        Tatars - 20% (5558 thousand);
        Ukrainians - 10,6% (2943,5 thousand);
        Bashkirs - 6% (1673,8 thousand);

        ...

        It turns out from 19.2% only 10,6% Ukrainians, i.e. in the total mass of about 2%, which does not fit with this card.
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        ... Fear not the Ukrainians in Russia, but fear that the Russians themselves do not catch the Svidomo infection under certain external circumstances.

        100500 true statement.
      3. nemec55
        nemec55 9 October 2014 12: 30
        +1
        Probably traveled around the cities of the skulls of Meryl wassat
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 9 October 2014 10: 31
      +4
      And yet, the Ukrainian essence - to fuck more for free, is still reflected in the article.
    4. captain
      captain 9 October 2014 12: 36
      +2
      In Russia, Ukrainians are not divided by faith, culture, mentality, but it is a pity, because of this we often make mistakes that lead us to conflicts with the inhabitants of Ukraine. In addition to people who recognize themselves as Russian, there live three groups of the population whom we consider to be Ukrainians and without thinking about the identity of these people. Galicians are Uniates, that is, they are not Orthodox, and over 700 years were brought up in the bosom of the Catholic Church. They have not our attitude (it is not worse than ours, but not ours) and this must be known and understood. And trying to convince them is not worth it, it is simply impossible. Try to relocate the inhabitants of South Africa (not just one, but the majority) to Yakutia and explain to them that living there is very good. That is how Galicians react approximately to all our attempts to explain to them that they are Russians, but they don’t remember that. The second group is the center of Ukraine (more precisely, the right bank of the Dnieper), which was ruled by Catholic Poland and the Commonwealth for about 400 years, they are Orthodox, but Poland’s influence there was enormous and they are very different in mentality and you can run with DNA tests and at every corner say that they are the same for us, but it will be perceived on their part, that you compare them with blacks. The third group, people who live on the left bank of the Dnieper and our mentality coincides. This one for this third group is worth fighting for and not making us enemies of them. And the first two groups will never be our allies. And if someone thinks that having thrown off Porshenko and Yatsenyuk, love for Russia will immediately appear there, then I dare to assure you that you are very deeply mistaken.
  2. RESEARCHER
    RESEARCHER 9 October 2014 09: 16
    +3
    You became suspicious, Sergey Volgin.
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    2. Kazakh
      Kazakh 9 October 2014 09: 37
      +4
      Quote: RESEARCHER
      You became suspicious, Sergey Volgin.

      But in any case, it is necessary to discuss the topic. The same thoughts as the author also periodically arise. Regarding the Ukrainians of Russia, I think this way: many of the Ukrainians who signed up during the census are actually not Ukrainians anymore, and apart from varenniks and "pidminula pidvila" there is nothing Ukrainian to boast about can not. Since they became Russians long ago.
      1. RESEARCHER
        RESEARCHER 9 October 2014 09: 49
        +1
        I agree that the topic is relevant, but its solution is linked to many other topics, such as:
        1) The national idea and place of the liberal opposition in the country;
        2) The oligarchy and the principle of social justice;
        3) Activation of breakthrough scientific technologies and the exam;
        ... and much more.
    3. Anper
      Anper 9 October 2014 09: 49
      +2
      Quote: RESEARCHER
      You became suspicious, Sergey Volgin.

      From western Ukraine. Why suspicious? More than once in all kinds of Ukrainian mass media, this topic slipped - especially after that. how refugees went to the Rostov region in the summer. Developed the theme of "sleeping agents" - those. who immediately agreed to permanent life in Russia. Let them get a job - they will work at the right time.
      By the way, this summer a local friend came to vacation. She got married in Norilsk. Perfectly understanding the situation in Ukraine, she said that almost all her Ukrainian acquaintances working in Norilsk support Putin's policy. Nevertheless, more likely for exoticism, I was looking for symbols (flags and other labudu) "Right Sector" - many asked to bring it.
      And now answer - skillfully yes, under corrupt custody, can these many be gradually turned into anything or anyone, as they did in my country? Take an interest in Norilsk residents, where the majority of people come from, living, for example, on Talnakhskaya Street, or just look at the names.
      This, of course, does not mean that in every Ukrainian in Russia you need to see a traitor, but, in my opinion, the author correctly identified the origin of the problem.
      1. 17085
        17085 9 October 2014 11: 05
        +2
        I will not try to deny or confirm, but spent my childhood and youth in the Primorsky Territory. A huge number of labor migrants from Ukraine had to be observed. Many different people worked for my father on the ship. Always the manifestations of "originality" were alarming, ranging from shameless talkativeness to idiotic actions. Even frightened at times. The adults calmed me down, like never mind - he’s a hokhol ... Example: I say, you’re fascists, you know how many people they buried in Babi Yar in Kiev !? Answers, -What? Of course it was necessary to clean up ... This is 86, I have remembered this phrase for the rest of my life.
  3. Imperialkolorad
    Imperialkolorad 9 October 2014 09: 17
    +8
    Maybe a little off topic. I have at work the majority of ethnic Ukrainians who live in Russia consider this very Ukraine an artificial entity.
    1. grog_bm
      grog_bm 9 October 2014 13: 39
      +1
      In fact, he himself, by the name of crest, grew up in the Kuban, there is no point in discussing the history of the Kuban, but the surname remains)))) what it is)))) but I think the same way-no and should not be in Ukraine-no and should not to be!! even though I think this can be said about Belarus, I hope I have not offended anyone - and if I offended, I ask you seven)))
  4. saag
    saag 9 October 2014 09: 22
    +1
    Quote: DRA-88
    The author again tries to draw a line of nationalism between one People!

    There is a chance to check this thesis by traveling to Kiev, or at least reading Shevchenko, I doubt something of such unity
    1. DRA-88
      DRA-88 9 October 2014 09: 47
      +1
      Quote: saag
      There is a chance to check this thesis by traveling to Kiev, or at least reading Shevchenko, I doubt something of such unity

      I remember you on the site as a thoughtful, competent person. Separating us with blood and borders is the dream of Fashington and their local bourgeois minions, is this not obvious?
      I’m talking about primordial unity. But 23 years of sophisticated propaganda have done their job on one side and the other, but we have the same roots or you want to say that the roots are Jews or Caucasians, for example, We are closer than Ukrainians (I’m not Svidomites I mean)
      A need to worry about emigrants from Middle Asia !!!
  5. Ruslan
    Ruslan 9 October 2014 09: 30
    +5
    A clear understanding of the problem is needed. in Russia there are NO Ukrainians at all. Ukraine is a passport affiliation to Ukraine. Ukrainians as a nationality DO NOT EXIST! Ukraine is a state created RUSSIAN with a predominant (over 85%) RUSSIAN population (albeit zombie)!
    everyone laughs at the myths of Ukrainian history, but at the same time, the majority themselves support Ukrainian nationality - Ukrainian. as soon as Russia abandons this myth, it will immediately inflict a psychological (informational) blow on all our enemies who invented Ukraine and Ukrainians!
    By the way, this also applies to Belarus.
  6. xorgi
    xorgi 9 October 2014 09: 36
    +1
    The author confuses citizens of Ukraine and Russian citizens of Ukrainian nationality. The latter is not always a copy of the former.
  7. Humpty
    Humpty 9 October 2014 09: 38
    +2
    I agree with Sergey in many respects. But not everything is so bad at the expense of the Ukrainians, at least in the Donbas and beyond Nenko. A significant, probably about a third of the Russians in Kyrgyzstan have Ukrainian endings in surnames, they are written differently in the passport. Svidomo among the local rarity, it is only decrepit exiled Bandera. I know some of their children and grandchildren, even they have nothing in common in spirit with their dysfunctional ancestors. At the expense of the sixth glass, this is a separate very painful and important topic. Thank you for the article.
  8. rotor
    rotor 9 October 2014 09: 39
    -2
    Slyly and hypocritically, they were preparing a blow to the back of the Union, and when, after the GKChP this opportunity presented itself, they immediately took this opportunity. In December 1991, while still on his way to Bialowieza, at the Minsk airport, President of Ukraine Kravchuk announced that Ukraine would not sign the new union treaty in ANY VIEW.


    They fled because they were afraid of a return to the USSR and there was such an opportunity.

    As during the revolution in 1918, they also fled because they were afraid of the Bolsheviks.
    1. grog_bm
      grog_bm 9 October 2014 13: 45
      -1
      A referendum on the preservation of the USSR, aaa ???? there wasn’t such a type, just some one decided to heat the dough, and in the USSR there were such scum and since that time they have bred ... though they can now be seen ... there is someone to hang on a gilyak ... and probably if it works out in Novorosia, then I think it will not enter Russia or Ukraine or Bulbashia - they will break into it, I mean the people with the land, etc., etc. .... with all the ensuing consequences ...
      1. rotor
        rotor 9 October 2014 14: 45
        0
        And after 9 months they voted for the independence.

        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 9 October 2014 18: 09
          +1
          "It is important not how they vote, but who counts."
  9. another RUSICH
    another RUSICH 9 October 2014 09: 39
    +4
    Wrong article initially. There is no and there has never been any RUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN split, for the simple reason that there were NO "Ukrainians" as a nation or even a nationality. Stop talking nonsense! A Ukrainian is not a nationality, but only a territorial affiliation, as well as a Siberian, Volzhets, northerners, etc. And even then, the term "Ukrainian" appeared at the end of the 19th century not without the efforts of Polish propaganda, which the small marginals called themselves from time to time, beaten by sane people ...
    There were and are Little Russians and Great Russians, as two parts of the great Russian world, culture, consciousness.
  10. Marisat
    Marisat 9 October 2014 09: 39
    +1
    To nationalities, I myself am not Russian, but unfortunately I agree with the author.
  11. peter-tank
    peter-tank 9 October 2014 09: 40
    +1
    It is noteworthy that the largest percentage of Ukrainians is concentrated in the Urals, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, Magadan and Chukotka.
  12. Zomanus
    Zomanus 9 October 2014 09: 42
    -1
    Interesting article. And after all, Ukrainians can attach a lot of relatives to their relatives. Up to high ranks in the police, tax and other departments. So what can it be worth doing the purge, in order to avoid so to speak ...
  13. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 9 October 2014 09: 45
    +3
    "Those who served in the army can hardly imagine that a clerk, storekeeper, bread-cutter or captain is not a Ukrainian."
    And I can: bread-cutters and cooks - Uzbeks, capter - Caucasian ...
  14. Signature
    Signature 9 October 2014 09: 46
    +2
    Sergey Volgin (some name: two in one - confidentially affectionate and split).

    My birthplace is beyond the Arctic Circle (one might say - more than just in Russia; and the first decades of being are in the same place).
    Beliefs in the plane of nat. questions - ineradicably internationalist. I happened to see Ukraine with a living eye after the completion of the process of "personal maturation."
    And now - with regard to the essence of what you said. It is interesting. It is keenly observant, meticulously analytical and conveyed in a talented and literary manner. In general, I want to read more and further (if created by you).
    But here ... your conclusions ...
    The national character - it may exist (although it is not difficult to enumerate the mass of "luminaries of various humanitarian sciences" who did not at all think so).
    May be. But it is determined not by genes (they are almost the same with the Chinese as the Americans; which, incidentally, was proved by the stubborn American geneticists who did not believe the Chinese).
    The problem is who and how comes to power on the national "melon". And for what strings it pulls to tear (what do you need) and screw (what should). The authorities have powerful tools for cheating and fooling around (from church and school to the right to dismiss and appoint to "feed" posts).
    So it’s not in the cut of the eyes and in the color of the hair, and not even in who and what is dancing around the folklore bonfire.

    I understand that this is how it looks only for me and my kind. But since I had the pleasure of reading you what was written, I would like you to be aware of who reads you and with what moods ...

    PS: I never, under any circumstances, give "minuses" to anyone (I am generally embarrassed by this "competitive-competitive" system "for elimination", or, more precisely, "knocking out").
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  15. Hellraiser
    Hellraiser 9 October 2014 09: 48
    +1
    Russophobia is of course now rubbing. But I assure you that in a couple of years RUSSIAN will be very cool! wink
  16. Loner_53
    Loner_53 9 October 2014 09: 48
    +2
    I will tell you Dear forum users, people are different and they and we (good) have enough hi
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 9 October 2014 18: 13
      0
      "there are idiots and we have, only ten times more"
  17. asadov
    asadov 9 October 2014 09: 49
    +4
    The article is controversial, but in part I agree with her. But I’ll say this. In Russia there are many (millions) gastrik from Ukraine who, as if nothing had happened, live and have fun here. Every month they regularly transfer money to their homeland. And by and large they don’t give a shit about what is happening at home, it doesn’t go beyond talking a bottle. And no one is going to defend their home. A strange nation is a strange war.
    1. grog_bm
      grog_bm 9 October 2014 13: 50
      0
      The people are not strange, ordinary .. but the war is DEBILOUS !!!!
  18. Zomanus
    Zomanus 9 October 2014 09: 52
    +3
    Most likely, in this context of the article "Ukrainian" means a person who has a negative attitude towards Russians. That is, when the "Ukrainian is not Russian". And so, well, Russian of Ukrainian nationality ... These are those who are with Russians.
  19. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 9 October 2014 09: 57
    0
    I will not say anything for the article, but Shevchenko’s verse is good.
  20. Valkh
    Valkh 9 October 2014 09: 59
    +2
    I personally liked the beginning of the article! But the excess at the end, - towards the division of our people!?! - is something !!! Moreover, what kind of diaspora (what is it?) Inside our country are we talking about ??? My opinion is that it is groundless !!! And no need to suck out a finger ...... !!!! wink
  21. jPilot
    jPilot 9 October 2014 10: 02
    +3
    Yes, in principle, everything is as always "The Ukrainian lives in Ukraine and the crest is where it is better"
    And the conclusions .... let's just not interfere with Zapadentsev and other regions of Ukraine, because all the negative comes from there, another question is who and how much is infected
  22. Indifferent
    Indifferent 9 October 2014 10: 05
    +3
    The author is completely off topic. To begin with, Russia does not indicate nationality in the passport, except for Tatars. And you can only determine the number of Ukrainians by name. And they are all Russian for a long time and do not consider themselves Ukrainians.
    My wife is Ukrainian, but she is rooting for Russia and considers her fellow countrymen to have gone mad. And at the same time, her nephew, who lives in Ukraine, out of anger, probably stopped communicating with us. So all these percentages are "ceiling". That is why the "diaspora" is silent because it really does not exist or is almost nonexistent. Much more dangerous is our fifth column of curly-haired people who are all the same, just to criticize the government for American money. There are only tenths of a percent left in the country, but they are always in the majority in the media. Look at all kinds of talk shows on TV and you will agree with me.
  23. sled beach
    sled beach 9 October 2014 10: 16
    0
    As Bo, it’s the most attentive and cautious. God takes care of one, obviously better than a knife in the back by stupidity.
  24. rotor
    rotor 9 October 2014 10: 16
    0
    All subsequent democratically elected Ukrainian hetmans (that is, presidents) only widened, deepened, sharpened and deepened the abyss between our peoples and by states - who are more, who are less.


    The author is mistaken, we have one people - Russian and we have one land - Russia.

    The enlightenment of our mass consciousness regarding Ukraine and Ukrainians went very slowly, the myths and sweet tales of Russian storytellers about the brotherhood of Slavic peoples very slowly leave the body and soul of a very trusting and prone to pleasant fantasies Russian man.


    Instead of thinking how to reunite us Russians, the author pours water on the mill of the ukronationalists. am
  25. tank64rus
    tank64rus 9 October 2014 10: 16
    0
    Article informational stuffing. Judging by the mistakes the author is behind a puddle and, in any case, has long been torn from Russia.
  26. navodchik
    navodchik 9 October 2014 10: 19
    +1
    Article minus. Again it is written about ALL Ukrainians that they are bad. Let me remind you - there are no bad nations, but each has its own renegades. Regarding the doubts of the author:
    But the deathly silence of the diaspora is very annoying.

    A simple thought does not occur to him - just fear. A neighbor, in the suburbs, has a team of builders-zapadentsev. A neighbor tells them jokes about Bandera. The guys do not even smile. The reason is that they were nearly taken to the atom. Sufficient argument for silence?
  27. Pushkar
    Pushkar 9 October 2014 10: 22
    +2
    Ethnic cleansing - we just didn’t have enough! Have you thought which side the Russian Ukrainians will take if they begin to squeeze just about the origin? And it will be, give only the go-ahead. And kindreds do not depend on nationality.
  28. Abbra
    Abbra 9 October 2014 10: 41
    0
    The author is an ordinary provocateur. Or a foolish person who unwittingly writes provocative materials.
  29. Starmos
    Starmos 9 October 2014 10: 43
    0
    The author is a plus. I’m not afraid to seem like a xenophobe, but since the times of the USSR, representatives of two nationalities “antagonistic” to each other - Ukrainians and Jews - have firmly settled down in all "grain" and "warm" places and towns. And, frankly, there is not the slightest desire to talk about either of those or others. Remember V. Gaft's epigram about the Mikhalkovs: "Russia! Do you feel this strange itch ?! Three Mikhalkov are crawling over you!" I'll try to paraphrase: "Russia! Do you feel this terrible itch ?! HoHly and ZhiDami are crawling over you!"
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 9 October 2014 18: 16
      0
      Jew hanged himself when a crest was born
  30. Alfizik
    Alfizik 9 October 2014 10: 51
    +3
    There is no point in arguing, just peering into what the Ukrainians have turned their country into. Nazism has no right to exist, but in Ukraine it is Natsik-Bandera who rule. The Slav who is a slave to Anglo-Saxon is a Slav? No, his soul is not with us, his soul is outside Orthodoxy. But the soul cannot be returned, even with free gas. It can only be won! And only Ukrainians can (and should) cut their servile chains - free themselves from the Nazis-Bandera. Do not scare? While cowardly.
    My former friend, a Ukrainian, liked to say: "When the crest was born, the Jew began to cry." Alas, not only Jews are crying now.
    Will Russian Ukrainians join the "fifth column"? Here the author, I'm sure, went too far. There will be, of course, after the "third drink" ... But they are very careful!
    1. sled beach
      sled beach 9 October 2014 11: 23
      +1
      They will join, they will definitely join when Russia kneels down and kicks and shouts “We will avenge Ukraine!” They are our brothers, they don’t want to kill Russians, they just force them, they are children, 40 years old is still a childhood age to live and live.
  31. Vladimir I
    Vladimir I 9 October 2014 11: 25
    0
    The author is just a dope.
    Everything under one comb - all Russians are cool, all Ukrainians are gamnyuki.
    Why the heck are such nonsense to print?
  32. renahazarova
    renahazarova 9 October 2014 11: 45
    +1
    Everything will manifest itself in the event of a major war: where is the guarantee that the Ukrainians will not shoot in the back?
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 9 October 2014 18: 18
      0
      but where is the guarantee that his Russian liberalist will not shoot in the forehead?
  33. Princely
    Princely 9 October 2014 12: 19
    +1
    Article plus.
    On behalf of Velikorussov I will answer the author with gratitude, for “warned, then armed” against the real ukronazik threat.
    Any rabble of denationalized and international idiots is not worth paying attention to and being distracted from the life and problems of the Russian People.
    this is not an insult, but the use of this Greek origin of the word in its true meaning. Namely, these are socially useless people and not participating in the life of society ..
    Denationalists are those who do not recognize the existence of nations, peoples stemming from sociopathy (not the recognition of any social (social) organization in people's lives), and therefore this is a rabble of brain-accompanying individuals who cannot understand or even do anything about this topic.
    Internationals are people who relate to unfinished nations or peoples, from those planned to advanced to the implementation of artificial nations or peoples, specifically Ukrainians.
    "Unfinished" is not an insult, but a statement of the fact of their incompleteness of creation according to a fantasized plan or even without a plan. Internationalists are people who have betrayed their ethnic groups, nations and peoples, of which they are natives, and who have plunged into the creation of any artificial nations. For example, now in Ukraine, according to the loud statements of Svidomo pravoseki, they explain all their dislocations and crimes by the fact that, you know, they create a civil Ukrainian nation.
    1. Signature
      Signature 9 October 2014 12: 52
      0
      Interesting. And if a person was born in Turkmenistan (nowadays a Muslim country, and before that - the Soviet republic), and at the same time is brought directly by his own son to the one who was written in principle (!) In the passport by the Hungarian. And the son - on one half of the Uzbek, and on the second - Russian.
      In addition, one of his grandmothers is partially Jewish (as it turns out), and the second is a convinced Polish (in any case, she has ardently declared herself a Polish all her long life, trumping her pedigree, where, incidentally, not only Poles appear).
      To which ethnic group is the aforementioned native of Turkmenistan living now in St. Petersburg (Russia), should be faithful?
      (By the way, this is not my case.)

      I ply you, Your Excellency, Prince Ural - for active aggressiveness!
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 9 October 2014 18: 20
        0
        Well, Russian, ec-sno, since he speaks and thinks in Russian
  34. postoronim V
    postoronim V 9 October 2014 12: 22
    +3
    The author is probably right, even if they don’t want to spoil, any of their work will come out through the ass. In practice, I know that there are working Ukrainians, I try to influence my partners so that they do not exist.
  35. Tor hummer
    Tor hummer 9 October 2014 13: 01
    +1
    I agree with the article in everything. You can say these are my thoughts.
    I have always said that from ukrov we sip grief and not a little, and that they are not our brothers and all the mantras about "customs unions", "lived together" and "deyvoevali" is pure nonsense. The same nonsense and the concept of "fraternal peoples", which is what the author himself is talking about.
    However, the people are gradually gaining their sight and already now the opinion of the "fraternal peoples" is divided by about 50 to 50. - There are those who still continue to push cheap phrases, such as: "Let's re-create the USSR", "Fraternal multinational peoples", "The multinationals helped fought," "We will exceed the five-year plan in 4 years !!!", "Russian Ukrainian and Chinese are brothers for a century" and other nonsense ... But there are also those who say: "Let's still be careful with statements about fraternization of everyone and everything."
    The Russian people are slowly waking up. As the saying goes, "Russians harness for a long time, but they go fast." And this is definitely our big victory!
    1. Signature
      Signature 9 October 2014 13: 11
      0
      Tor Hummer, it's a matter of principle for me to communicate with ukrami, but I can assure you: they also consider you - "not a brother", and mantras - they believe exactly the same thing that you define this way (speaking about "customs unions", "fought" and so on).
      Honestly, you are NOT DIFFERENT from them: only that you are not Ukrainian, and they are not Russian. And so - you coincide 100% for all program items.
      Amazing right
      Nevertheless, plus you - for non-brotherly feelings (maybe you will start comparing "theirs" and your program in more depth) ...
      1. Tor hummer
        Tor hummer 9 October 2014 13: 44
        -2
        Quote: Signatur
        Tor Hummer, it's a matter of principle for me to communicate with ukrami, but I can assure you: they also consider you - "not a brother", and mantras - they believe exactly the same thing that you define this way (speaking about "customs unions", "fought" and so on).

        Ukrainians are generally indifferent to me, they are just dust for me. First of all, I am talking about Russians who repeat the same nonsense from year to year.
    2. grog_bm
      grog_bm 9 October 2014 14: 01
      0
      Friends, but it doesn't seem to you that you live in Russia where, besides the Russians (there are no clean ones), there are also Chechens and Armenians and Tatars and Mordovians and sooo many nationalities, as a result, in the end, visit over the hill and with any of the nationalities will talk like Russian ... what should we do ??? Therefore, there is NO nationality in the passport, and they did the right thing ... and on another loaf to crumble as it is not ice, like the Russians are all super good - an example of VLASOV and similar mrazot is enough ... and paint everyone in one color as it is not a camelfo .. ... smacks of fascism "with
      1. Signature
        Signature 9 October 2014 14: 35
        -1
        Ah, how right you are, GROG_BM!
        Already takes white envy when you read so written! ..
      2. Sour
        Sour 9 October 2014 14: 52
        0
        Yes, he is from "zigov", what is there incomprehensible?
        They are kind of like "Russians", but most of all they respect Hitler. And also Bandera.
        Potkin (who is white) also screams that he is a Russian patriot, but against the backdrop of the monument to Bandera, he took a picture of himself willingly, in full growth.
        1. Tor hummer
          Tor hummer 9 October 2014 15: 13
          0
          Quote: Sour
          Yes, he is from "zigov", what is there incomprehensible?

          What a faraway person you are.
          Go better comment on the next topic
          http://topwar.ru/59979-pochti-100-ga-nezakonno-realizovannyh-zemel-v-moskovskoy-
          oblasti-vozvrascheny-ministerstvu-oborony.html

          There, the soul of your beloved Tolyan Taburetkin just.
          1. Sour
            Sour 9 October 2014 15: 21
            -1
            Quote: Tor Hummer
            What a faraway person you are.

            Natsik, on "you" will you call your friends Bandera, or your leader homosek Borovikov. Not for you, a Nazi clown, to evaluate other people. And you are not Russian, do not dishonor the name of the Russians. "Zigi" are just stinking "zigi", uglies without nationality.
            1. Tor hummer
              Tor hummer 9 October 2014 15: 41
              0
              Quote: Sour
              Natsik, on "you" will you call your friends Bandera, or your leader homosek Borovikov. Not for you, a Nazi clown, to evaluate other people. And you are not Russian, do not dishonor the name of the Russians. "Zigi" are just stinking "zigi", uglies without nationality.

              Well, I’m saying that you are not far off. Throw thoughtlessly all sorts of dirty tricks and try to hang up labels whose values ​​you do not understand.
              Go to the topic about Tolyan Taburetkin, with his mind there are spinners.
            2. Tor hummer
              Tor hummer 9 October 2014 15: 44
              0
              I also demand clarification about the labeling of me as "Nazi" and "zigglyuschiy". What were they based on? And on what basis was friendship with the "Banderaites" attributed to me?
              You can not answer - we will consider you a bazaar woman who does not control her language.
      3. Tor hummer
        Tor hummer 9 October 2014 14: 58
        -1
        Quote: grog_bm
        Friendly, but doesn’t it seem to you that you live in Russia, where by the Russians (there are no clean ones)

        And who is "clean"? The list of "pure" nationalities in the studio, we will say.
  36. Sour
    Sour 9 October 2014 13: 38
    +1
    - chronic, deathly silence of the Ukrainian diaspora regarding the conflict. It is impossible to talk either publicly or privately, not like from the third glass (remember the story with preference at the beginning of the article), even from the fifth to tenth. They stubbornly remain silent, as they took water into their mouths,

    I know closely three people from Ukraine, and from the east. All three have lived in Russia since Soviet times, and have got families here. Children already consider themselves Russian. This is the picture - one curses the fascists in Ukraine, and the other two blame Russia for everything and call the return of Crimea "capture and aggression." When you ask them - "why do you need the Ukrainian Crimea, do you live in Russia?" - immediately start to get nervous and carry complete nonsense. They clearly do not want to return to Ukraine, but there is a complete feeling that all recent events are being watched not from the Russian side, but from the opposite side. Like this. They lived in Russia for more than a dozen years, but did not become not only Russians, but even Russians. This is to talk about supposedly "one people". By the way, I remember how one of these friends of mine was furiously indignant 10 years ago, during the 1st "Maidan", over the fact that Russia had finally decided to sell gas to Ukraine at market prices. He was simply flattened with anger. He said that "Russia's resources are the common property of all the peoples of the USSR, because they were developed jointly." At the same time, he clearly did not consider the Ukrainian economy a common property.
    But these are purely my observations. And I don’t think at all that one can speak of the Ukrainian Diaspora as a single whole.
  37. leond
    leond 9 October 2014 13: 40
    +1
    It all depends on what ideas the public or private media, as well as homegrown leaders have formed in the minds of ordinary people, although the influence of the latter usually extends to a fairly narrow group of people, but this group consists of the most obsessed fanatics.
  38. Princely
    Princely 9 October 2014 13: 41
    +1
    Signature
    Do not be offended. I’ll correct you.
    Your Excellency is an appeal to the Count, and Your Grace to the Prince
    Clarity and certainty of statements is not an aggression, but an invitation to serious discussions on the merits.
    In a noble society, no one is a mess of all sorts of things, from where come the peoples or nations, and even more so does not boast like any yard dog of his mockery.
    You need to correct the sins of your ancestors with tedious and lengthy work on yourself, deep and lengthy thoughts, about yourself and your ancestors, about the country where you live, your native language and much more. If you possess sufficient knowledge and an honest, pure soul, then you will undoubtedly decide that you belong to the Russian World.
    If you also have Russian blood, then you can consider yourself Russian under the article “Russified”.
    I wish you a happy journey in self-determination.
    1. Signature
      Signature 9 October 2014 14: 52
      0
      Prince! First you need to know the mother tongue in princely style!
      To seem to a greater number exactly what you want to seem. About the rest (reading into so written ... not in Russian), even talking does not have a pronounced meaning.
      As for the grammatical parameters, one could also silently keep silent (not the first you, and not the last). But this is appropriate if the person is aware of at least some of his ordinary imperfections.
      + Still, it is indecent to broadcast on behalf of the "Great Russian People" personally.

      As for the "lordship" I will tell you frankly: "Your honor" clearly does not suit you (let us assume that by rank), your lordship is not yours according to your way of thinking. So it remains - only one "Your Excellency", because the radiance is still visible ...
      And be sure to check out Ozhegov (you will discover something new about "Your Excellency" when applied to a person endowed with a princely title!)

      Plus to you - for your brilliant readiness!
      1. Princely
        Princely 9 October 2014 15: 55
        0
        I read your abominations on other sites. You probably work for a bastard for money. Where the scum crawled into decent society to make stupid comments. I wish you a Bandera Ukrainian Nazi will disappear forever from our lives.
        1. Signature
          Signature 9 October 2014 17: 38
          0
          Reread what you wrote. And appropriate all the epithets you have consumed. In a decent society using these words are not allowed.
          This YOU - ukronatsist. But not Bandera, but his own, homegrown! Do not make up under a patriot. Especially Russia.
          However, what a character like YOU can understand.

          However, it was most shocking that they were also trying to read, not just write!
      2. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 9 October 2014 18: 27
        0
        somehow strongly smells of all this "struggle for the purity of the Aryan race"
  39. ando_bor
    ando_bor 9 October 2014 13: 42
    +3
    I’ll put the article, plus, the observations are good, the author poses questions and problems, the same is true in my opinion,
    it’s better to overtake than not to finish, the author does not impose ready-made answers, so no one has them.
    I don’t have the same answers, where to look for them - there are considerations.
    There are no bad and good systems, their effectiveness depends on the conditions, the Russian system is effective in Russia, the West in the West, the border across Ukraine, and it is not stable. And in Russia, the West will always lose - here the Russian system is beyond competition.
  40. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 9 October 2014 13: 50
    +1
    The current conflict between Russia and Ukraine is not at all national, but ideological.
    With whom to integrate: with Western Europe or with Asia and the Far East?
    Putin: state. capitalism and integration with Asia (the Eurasian path) according to Asian authoritarian methods.
    Poroshenko: liberal capitalism and integration with the European Union according to European liberal methods.

    Many Ukrainians in Ukraine and Russia choose the "Putin" path,
    but many Russians in Ukraine and Russia choose the "Ukrainian" path ....
    1. Sour
      Sour 9 October 2014 14: 08
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      but many Russians in Ukraine and Russia choose the "Ukrainian" path ....

      Nonsense is complete. Never was it about the integration of Russia and the West, no one in Russia has ever proposed such integration. Western policy towards Russia does not provide for integration, but full submission of Russia to the interests of the West. With regard to Ukraine, the same thing. As an equal integration partner, the West has never considered Russia, and even less so Ukraine.
      Therefore, those "Russians" who allegedly "choose the Ukrainian path" are in fact supporters of Russia's subordination to the interests of the West.
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Poroshenko: liberal capitalism and integration with the European Union according to European liberal methods.

      So far, Ukraine does not smell of liberal methods. There, there is direct terror against political opponents. Putin's "Asian authoritarianism" rests against this background.
    2. Tor hummer
      Tor hummer 9 October 2014 15: 32
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The current conflict between Russia and Ukraine is not at all national, but ideological.
      With whom to integrate: with Western Europe or with Asia and the Far East?
      Putin: state. capitalism and integration with Asia (the Eurasian path) according to Asian authoritarian methods.
      Poroshenko: liberal capitalism and integration with the European Union according to European liberal methods.

      Many Ukrainians in Ukraine and Russia choose the "Putin" path,
      but many Russians in Ukraine and Russia choose the "Ukrainian" path ....

      This is a very superficial judgment.
  41. dimasialyt
    dimasialyt 9 October 2014 14: 18
    +1
    I apologize for sarcasm, but! Where is the map from ?! In Chukotsky A.O. 17% of Ukrainians ?! What is the basis for nationality? They let the fat smell, and then they shone a flashlight in their eyes? For some reason, beyond the Urals and to the north, after 3-5 years of living, the nationalistic show-offs go somewhere, everyone becomes Siberians, northerners, Far Easterners ... That is. not by the sperm DNA of the ancestor in the 39th knee, people recognize themselves, but by the territory of residence! By the way, even an experienced archaeologist will not distinguish the skeleton of a Ukrainian from the skeleton of a non-Ukrainian.
    1. Sour
      Sour 9 October 2014 14: 23
      0
      What is the basis for nationality?

      In your opinion, the national self-identification of a person does not matter? Is it necessary that there are differences in the skeleton? Well, they took it and called themselves Ukrainians, not Far Easterners. Their right.
      1. dimasialyt
        dimasialyt 10 October 2014 02: 30
        0
        YES!!!! If you look a little broader at life !!! Mother Earth is violet, who rots in it: Tatar, Russian or Ethiopian!
  42. Epizikl
    Epizikl 9 October 2014 15: 22
    0
    Yes, Sergey, a serious article, with deep understanding and conclusions ...
    A sober look, analytical calculations, without curtsy and jewelry ...
    You must always remember this and be prepared for a stab in the back in order to effectively resist it!
  43. Epizikl
    Epizikl 9 October 2014 15: 27
    +1
    Quote: ando_bor
    I’ll put the article, plus, the observations are good, the author poses questions and problems, the same is true in my opinion,
    it’s better to overtake than not to finish, the author does not impose ready-made answers, so no one has them.
    I don’t have the same answers, where to look for them - there are considerations.
    There are no bad and good systems, their effectiveness depends on the conditions, the Russian system is effective in Russia, the West in the West, the border across Ukraine, and it is not stable. And in Russia, the West will always lose - here the Russian system is beyond competition.


    Yeah...
    As the saying goes, the TRUTH, OPEN and FACE, NOT HESITATED IN EXPRESSIONS, can be expressed only by a REAL PATRIOT!
    This is EXACTLY, and I absolutely agree with this expression!
  44. Epizikl
    Epizikl 9 October 2014 15: 27
    +1
    Quote: ando_bor
    I’ll put the article, plus, the observations are good, the author poses questions and problems, the same is true in my opinion,
    it’s better to overtake than not to finish, the author does not impose ready-made answers, so no one has them.
    I don’t have the same answers, where to look for them - there are considerations.
    There are no bad and good systems, their effectiveness depends on the conditions, the Russian system is effective in Russia, the West in the West, the border across Ukraine, and it is not stable. And in Russia, the West will always lose - here the Russian system is beyond competition.


    Yeah...
    As the saying goes, the TRUTH, OPEN and FACE, NOT HESITATED IN EXPRESSIONS, can be expressed only by a REAL PATRIOT!
    This is EXACTLY, and I absolutely agree with this expression!
    1. Signature
      Signature 9 October 2014 15: 55
      0
      I sympathize with everyone who seeks to support - especially in an ambiguous situation - the author. Any author (although in this case your client author himself is undoubtedly a strong personality and absolutely wealthy, that is, he hardly needs external protection).
      I sympathize with everyone who feels the difference between a word spelled in uppercase letters and a word that is not marked by any writing features.
      In general: in general, I - FOR THE AUTHOR and for you.
      But I read this, in general, completely - from all sides - correct, maxim (I will quote it further) and I notice that the word "only"is present in it with somewhat controversial reasons.
      Judge for yourself who else may be in place "true patriot"in this tirade"... The truth, openly and in person, not embarrassed in expressions can only be said by a true patriot"(the main thing is that for the metro-rhythm of what is spoken, this will not entail any disruptions and damage, as well as for the integral meaning)? ..
      I hope you will laugh, and not be offended (because no sarcasm or attempt to scorch in this case - honest user! - not)!..

      And definitely adding your support to the author!
  45. Prutkov
    Prutkov 9 October 2014 16: 28
    +2
    The author "bends the stick". He was also affected by the "virus of national hatred", only with a "-" sign. Propaganda does its job very effectively. The problem of nationalism is everywhere. Only now is it actively inflated in relations between Russians and Ukrainians. Although, the author himself does not know how to distinguish a Russian from a Ukrainian in ordinary, everyday life. The two kindred nations are intensely "pushing their heads together."
  46. Azovian
    Azovian 9 October 2014 19: 11
    0
    author - 3,14 zdobol. Judging by the years of service in the SA - my age, he is 50. Well, 3,14 would be, but at least I would look around. Russia was lucky with Putin, definitely, sooo lucky! What about that? Yeltsin, Medved ... If not for Russia's huge potential, the "rulers" would have put it down long ago. And at the same time there is always a nat. question. And after drunk half a liter, as always, showdown.
  47. Evilcat
    Evilcat 9 October 2014 20: 24
    0
    As you can see on the map, the largest percentage of Ukrainians are represented in the most economically prosperous regions, which is consistent with the age-old tendency of this audience to skim and cream in any situation.

    Well, let's see:
    17,2 - Yamal-Nenets District,
    16,8 - Chukotka.
    I do not know how economically prosperous Chukotka is. But it’s hard to argue about the Ukrainians removing the foam and cream from the gas fields of the Yamal-Nenets okrug. That's because cattle fly to work on a rotational basis through half of Ukraine and half of Russia. They take away jobs from honest Russians. No, the cattle are natural. Only the question begs. And why do Russians not want to work in these very deposits?
    And, yes, Ukrainians agree to work for a lower salary.
  48. romandostalo
    romandostalo 11 October 2014 05: 09
    0
    I can neither agree nor deny since I spent almost 5 months with my grandmother in the city of Yeysk, which is located in the Russian Federation, but I'm sorry to Mariupol, who was then Zhdanov in a straight line for about 30 kilometers and who wasn’t on our Krasnodar Street. Well, somehow I can’t believe that 30 km. are a certain border. Here everything is fine, but there Everything is well, not at all.