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High-level source: Linking the supply of "Mistral" with the situation in Ukraine is puzzling

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Moscow was taken aback by the recent statements by French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, in which he linked the supply of Russian Mistral helicopter carriers to the situation in Ukraine.

High-level source: Linking the supply of "Mistral" with the situation in Ukraine is puzzling


“The reasoning of the minister, in one heap of the collapse of the cease-fire in eastern Ukraine, the beginning of the political process in this country, the creation of a buffer zone and the supply of helicopter carriers, cause at least bewilderment,” a high-ranking military and political source said "News".

Last Sunday, the head of the French Defense Ministry said in an interview with the RTL television channel that Mistral supplies to the Russian Federation are closely related to events in Ukraine.

“The issue of Ukraine is not limited to the issue of delivery of helicopter carriers. The question (on the supply of "Mistral") will be resolved early next month. There is a ceasefire agreement, there is a vision of a political way out, but there is some uncertainty. You need to be confident for the president (Francois Hollande) to make a decision, ”the minister said.

In turn, the agency interlocutor noted that “maybe the French minister thinks that Mistrals are able to enter the buffer zone” or they can be used “to suppress the firing points of the Ukrainian army that continues to fire at the peaceful quarters of Donetsk”.

“I must admit that Le Drian is not the first Western politician who, apparently, is not at odds with geography,” he stressed.

According to the source, the statements of the head of the French Ministry of Defense are closely related to pressure on Paris from outside.

“One gets the impression that they cannot tell the truth in Paris - which external forces and for some far from Ukrainian problems put pressure on the French in the Mistral issue, but also seem to lose such a profitable contract,” he noted.
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  1. Giant thought
    Giant thought 8 October 2014 09: 47
    +11
    The French are rushing about like that monkey from a joke between beautiful and smart.
    1. Vek
      Vek 8 October 2014 09: 50
      -25
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rdQ3d9TPcU
      Please participate in the discussion of this video :) I promise a storm of positive emotions :)
      1. Dazdranagon
        Dazdranagon 8 October 2014 10: 05
        +14
        Quote: vek
        Please participate in the discussion of this video :)
        - what is there to discuss? Poor ukrosiloviks cry that they, innocent, are being fired upon by vicious Russian invaders! Some kind of left-wing evidence - pieces of iron - such as "Vintorez", a helmet ... You have to be a complete idiot to believe that the REGULAR ARMY of the Russian Federation is fighting there ...
      2. raketnik
        raketnik 8 October 2014 10: 06
        +5
        WELL AND FUCK sorry for the expression THIS ADVISE ON THIS SITE
      3. 1Andrei
        1Andrei 8 October 2014 10: 59
        +4
        Quote: vek
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rdQ3d9TPcU
        Please participate in the discussion of this video :) I promise a storm of positive emotions :)

        Oh, everything’s illiterate. Participated, minus you.
      4. Kostyar
        Kostyar 8 October 2014 11: 29
        +2
        youtube.com/watch?v=9rdQ3d9TPcU
        Please participate in the discussion of this video :) I promise a storm of positive emotions :)

        Participated ... bullshit!
        Think about it yourself if We fought there, these clowns of the nose would not have stuck there, this first and second war would have already ended, yes, the Russians won !!!
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 8 October 2014 10: 00
      +4
      This is called "psaki - virus". More dangerous than Ebola, however laughing
      1. doctor
        doctor 8 October 2014 10: 09
        +3
        I would like to listen to Psaki. Laugh heartily. laughing
    4. doctor
      doctor 8 October 2014 10: 06
      +1
      There is a Russian proverb about x .. and a fish. And this does not happen.
    5. BOB044
      BOB044 8 October 2014 10: 43
      +1
      I think the monkey already has another monkey.
    6. Imperialkolorad
      Imperialkolorad 8 October 2014 10: 43
      +5
      Yes, mine don’t deliver these ships. Pay the penalty and everyone will be happy.
      1. kodxnumx
        kodxnumx 8 October 2014 11: 26
        0
        The French will give these ships there is no doubt there’s a pun, they’re not so stupid as to throw problems to themselves! wink
      2. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 8 October 2014 11: 38
        0
        Quote: ImperialKolorad
        Yes, mine don’t deliver these ships. Pay the penalty and everyone will be happy.

        Quite right. Only there should not be any legal, legal grounds to challenge the need to pay this penalty. And verbally and not at the highest level to provoke Hollande to such a step is a "holy" cause. And adequate French with Marine Le Pen at the head will receive help, and - most importantly - Russia will not lose anything from "depriving Serdyukov's gift", but will demonstrate its superiority as a reliable partner - in comparison with the French (Hollande, pro-American - where there is no place for business, but only political tyranny) optional - in the arms market.
  2. vsoltan
    vsoltan 8 October 2014 09: 47
    +17
    They bargain like prostitutes ... I will give, I will not give ... and not ashamed of such a state? Apparently, it is not without reason that they have Poles as allies. But we didn’t really want to - to redeem expensive, thieves and not too necessary Serdyukovsky toys ... strategist damn great. Why is Serdyukov not in prison?
    1. fridge
      fridge 8 October 2014 09: 56
      0
      Because their own people do not surrender him, that is, a servant, and then others can be pulled up, so this "tangle" hides the end and the beginning.
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    3. FACKtoREAL
      FACKtoREAL 8 October 2014 09: 58
      +1
      They bargain like prostitutes ... I will give, I will not give ... and not ashamed of such a state?

      в theirs state prostitution - legalized ... request
      1. alex-s
        alex-s 8 October 2014 10: 01
        0
        But we didn’t really want to - redeem expensive, thieves and not too necessary Serdyukovskie toys

        Grandmas just let them return and play for yourself!
        1. RUSOIVAN
          RUSOIVAN 8 October 2014 10: 17
          +5
          Give: ready to pay a salary!
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 8 October 2014 10: 32
      +2
      Quote: vsoltan
      And we didn’t really want to - redeem expensive, thieves and not too necessary Serdyukovskie toys ... strategist damn great. Why is Serdyukov not in prison?

      Because the decision on the Mistrals was not made by him. Or do you think that the Minister of Defense can personally conclude a contract for the construction of ships abroad?
      Mistrals are our payment for the position of France in the war on 08.08.08, as well as for the French thermal imagers for our tanks. A sort of bribe at the interstate level.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 October 2014 09: 48
    +6
    We must make them pay a penalty, and leave Serdyukov's "troughs" as a keepsake. Yes, and let them cut off the stern and send it back to St. Petersburg.
    Look, we’ve gotten fussy.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 8 October 2014 10: 57
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      let the feed be cut off and sent back to St. Petersburg.

      How is it, how is it? And the return paid? And the penalty? And moral harm? Less than 5 billion euros do not agree! Well, both poop in addition! Also, the money spent!
  4. Khalmamed
    Khalmamed 8 October 2014 09: 49
    +4
    to show their intentions and file a lawsuit, the deadlines have been determined, the candy wrappers have been given away, all these homos, cheaters and swindlers.
  5. Eggor
    Eggor 8 October 2014 09: 49
    +9
    "The Kremlin continues to implement its strategy to force Paris to go to court in the event of a possible freeze on the contract for the supply of two Mistral-type UDCs. As of early October, the contract was suspended until the end of the month. According to information received by Intelligence Online, Moscow continues to make payments on More than 1,2 million euros have been paid out of 880 billion euros, and in October Moscow has already provided for the payment of about 60 million euros. If the court does take place, Russia could benefit from strict compliance with the terms of the contract, unlike its counterparty ...

    On the other hand, Vladimir Putin does not remain indifferent to the sanctions imposed by the West. Also, according to information from our sources, Alstom, which had a good chance of taking part in the construction of a high-speed highway between Moscow and Kazan, was notified by the Russian authorities that it should not be counted on any longer. Weak consolation for Alstom is the fact that Siemens will not be able to take advantage of the situation, as it received exactly the same notification. Ultimately, the project will go to China Railway Corp. This corporation will provide funding, and it has little chance of falling under Western sanctions. The French oil company Total, participating in the Yamal Siberian gas production project, wants to implement such actions. She currently expects to receive funding from PetroChina and Chinese banks. bmpd "

    A photo of Vladivostok appeared at the airbase from an interesting perspective (clickable):
    1. killganoff
      killganoff 8 October 2014 09: 54
      +4
      Great shot. But do we need this floating barracks?
      1. Eggor
        Eggor 8 October 2014 10: 03
        +4
        Quote: killganoff
        Great shot
        And from 04.10.2014:
        1. FREGATENKAPITAN
          FREGATENKAPITAN 8 October 2014 10: 10
          +3
          Excuse me, where? What kind of airbase?
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 8 October 2014 14: 57
            +1

            On the one that AVIABAZA.RU - I recommend.
      2. Eggor
        Eggor 8 October 2014 10: 12
        +2
        And from 04.10.2014:
      3. The comment was deleted.
      4. nfoma80
        nfoma80 8 October 2014 10: 59
        +5
        Judging by how rapidly our landing ships of Polish construction are rapidly becoming obsolete, we really need new landing ships, and besides, we get access to technologies by obtaining which we can build something similar, but for ourselves and for ourselves 100%.
      5. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN 8 October 2014 11: 59
        0
        There is no colleague ... ships of this class are undoubtedly needed .... maybe not Mistral ... but we need ........ We remember when and who made the decision on their purchase ... There is a clean policy plus a rollback !
    2. Koshak
      Koshak 8 October 2014 10: 06
      0
      Quote: EgGor
      A photo of Vladivostok appeared at the airbase from an interesting perspective (clickable):

      What a fucking target. Do not miss!
    3. kagorta
      kagorta 8 October 2014 10: 32
      +6
      The order among the paddlers on the pier however wink There is something to learn.
  6. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 8 October 2014 09: 52
    +1
    Hello! French puppets in the hands of the United States !!! And I want and pricks and the States do not order !!! hi
  7. jekasimf
    jekasimf 8 October 2014 09: 53
    +7
    Honestly, it’s already boring, it’s a mockery of a topic about Mistral. That said, this one expressed bewilderment. Everyone considers it his duty to fart on this topic. And people hawks and comments on slogans.
    1. vsoltan
      vsoltan 8 October 2014 17: 14
      0
      jekasimf

      Yeah, they got topics under Mistral, about Putin, Little Russia, the 5 column, got military-historical reviews and published archives ... and everyone considers it his duty to fart .... that's such a bad VO site. By the way, you also farted at it with your incomprehensible remark ... maybe, like a Russian patriot, he will begin to spoil the air on sites for the so-called snobs? Or American housewives? Or non-traditionally oriented? What did you expect from VO ?, it will be more appropriate for you THERE ...
  8. ded100
    ded100 8 October 2014 09: 54
    +1
    Well, how do they feel like eating a fish and sitting on a bolt and not choking on a bone, even ridiculously you will decide gentlemen !! laughing
  9. pensioner
    pensioner 8 October 2014 09: 54
    0
    Yes ... You won’t envy the French ... It’s hard at the same time to want to ... sit down and eat a fish and pass the bones ...
  10. The Art of War
    The Art of War 8 October 2014 09: 54
    +1
    I apologize off topic, but the video is interesting.
    1. fridge
      fridge 8 October 2014 10: 03
      +1
      Everything is in the subject, if relevant and deserves attention. Nothing depends on the infantry about the Mistral, only talk. As the so-called "elite" decides so it will be. request
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  11. Stanislav 1978
    Stanislav 1978 8 October 2014 09: 57
    +1
    As far as I understand, this figure is going to send "Mistrals" by sea Psaki through Belarus, calling into the steppes of Ukraine. laughing
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    2. Serg 122
      Serg 122 8 October 2014 11: 16
      +1
      As far as I understand, this figure is going to send "Mistrals" by sea Psaki through Belarus, calling into the steppes of Ukraine

      I forgot the Rostov mountains .... wassat
  12. father nikon
    father nikon 8 October 2014 09: 58
    0
    Senior source: ...

    It’s as if an undercover adviser or SecSot!
  13. Neighbor
    Neighbor 8 October 2014 10: 01
    +2
    Apart from Russia, apparently, no one wants to buy, so they are worried. And the Feldmebel made us friends.
  14. Neophyte
    Neophyte 8 October 2014 10: 06
    0
    Having eaten frogs and not say so! In general, it’s time for Russia to inform the frogmen that we have started
    construction of helicopter carriers on their own. But you don’t need to frighten us, it will be bad for ourselves when
    you have to pay forfeits and return the corps to Russia. Olandka and Obama are cheap clowns!
  15. rassel0889
    rassel0889 8 October 2014 10: 10
    +7
    Beautiful boat! I would like to see such in our fleets.
    1. wolf7
      wolf7 8 October 2014 13: 27
      0
      And I would like to see him with a sawn stern and scratching Hollande's turnips surrounded by hard workers of the shipyard. belay
  16. slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 8 October 2014 10: 10
    0
    I hope that the deal breaks down, we build the documents on the Mistral, we will build it ourselves and squeeze the dough from the frogmen !!! Let's wait for our MOM ...
  17. bashkort
    bashkort 8 October 2014 10: 11
    +2
    From the very beginning I thought that these Mistrals were not needed by our fleet. The situation when your potential adversary is building something for you is nonsense. And I'm not quite aware of something - are our strategic monetary assets still in Western papers? Also, it seems, we will fly with them soon.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 8 October 2014 10: 21
      +4
      And I’m not quite up to something - are our strategic monetary assets still in Western papers?

      Already not at all. They are quickly cashed in gold and palladium. Gold reserves over the past month increased sharply. This is what is on the surface ...
  18. givigor71
    givigor71 8 October 2014 10: 15
    +3
    Without words...
  19. Stinger
    Stinger 8 October 2014 10: 15
    +2
    From the point of view of correcting Serdyukov’s stupidities (kickbacks are not excluded), leaving them to France is good. But greed will prevail and the Mistrals will be ours. Then we will suffer in full.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 8 October 2014 10: 26
      +2
      Then we will suffer in full.

      Why will we be tormented?
      1. fif21
        fif21 8 October 2014 10: 36
        -2
        Quote: Wedmak
        Why will we be tormented?

        The answer to the "kachenu" apparently will not suit you. Russia is not a colonial power or an aggressor, and therefore Mistral-class ships do not fit into our military concept.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 8 October 2014 11: 11
          +3
          and therefore ships of the Mistral type do not fit into our military concept.

          These are not only colonial ships. This is the landing, and the hospital, and management. So there are several options for their application.
          1. Actually landing. On the teachings oh how useful. Yes, and with air support, also useful skills.
          2. Control. The same exercises are very useful as control and coordination points. On weapons tests. This ship controls a very large area around it.
          3. Freights. Delivery of military and not so cargo. Our BDKs are already old, some are under repair. And these two monsters are perfect for transporting goods in the Far East, Baltic and Black Sea.
          4. In case of natural disasters, it is easy to equip hospitals, aid delivery, removal of victims in the holds of these ships. Turntables on board will even more help with such events, it is only worth replacing them with military ones on transport ones.
          So do not worry, there is application even without aggression.
        2. lelikas
          lelikas 8 October 2014 15: 01
          0
          Quote: fif21
          The answer to the "kachenu" apparently will not suit you. Russia is not a colonial power or an aggressor, and therefore Mistral-class ships do not fit into our military concept.

          I am sure you can repeat this to us after landing with an assault on the enemy’s coast.
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  20. Wedmak
    Wedmak 8 October 2014 10: 19
    +5
    Before the delivery of the first ship, a little less than a month is left. French officials, under pressure from the United States, simply work out teams from the State Department. All these far-fetched conditions and linkages are nothing more than a political idle talk. Now, when the time comes, and the ships are not delivered, then it will be possible to take them warm.
    Failure to supply is, first and foremost, a severe blow to France as a supplier. These things are not scattered, because another customer will think about whether to contact French suppliers at all. And this is a huge loss ...
    1. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 8 October 2014 13: 31
      +2
      November 1 is getting closer and closer, and then the fun will begin.
  21. Camille_73
    Camille_73 8 October 2014 10: 21
    0
    The French want to both sit down and eat a fish !!! but it doesn’t happen
  22. doctor
    doctor 8 October 2014 10: 30
    +3
    Whether or not the Mistrals are needed can only be said by the Minister of Defense or the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy.
    1. fif21
      fif21 8 October 2014 10: 47
      -1
      Quote: Doctor
      Whether or not the Mistrals are needed can only be said by the Minister of Defense or the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy.
      Nobody will ask them. Aiphony's friend helped Sarkozy's friend in solving the financial problems of the French shipyard. At whose expense the current luxury is the second question, but whether we need these "Mistrals" is not even discussed. The main thing is to help a friend. am
  23. vdtomsk
    vdtomsk 8 October 2014 10: 36
    0
    Quote: vek
    Please participate in the discussion of this video :) I promise a storm of positive emotions :)


    And what to participate !!! Dill as always received a snot !!! Ukro media as always Ch_MO !!! What else???
  24. givigor71
    givigor71 8 October 2014 10: 59
    +1
    As Vladimir Ilyich said - “In fact, this is not the brain, but shit” (about the bourgeoisie in the west) ... fool
    1. Ober.K
      Ober.K 8 October 2014 11: 53
      0
      This he said about the liberal intelligentsia of Russia: "The intellectual forces of workers and peasants are growing and gaining strength in the struggle to overthrow the bourgeoisie and its accomplices, intellectuals, lackeys of capital, who imagine themselves to be the brain of the nation. In fact, this is not the brain of the nation, but the shit of the nation."
      Quote: givigor71
      As Vladimir Ilyich said - “In fact, this is not the brain, but shit” (about the bourgeoisie in the west) ... fool
  25. Alexashka
    Alexashka 8 October 2014 11: 14
    +2
    It is not for nothing that a cathedral was built in Paris with the name "I won't give in my mouth for the time being."
  26. Ober.K
    Ober.K 8 October 2014 11: 48
    +1
    There is no main thing in this video - there is no truth and meaning !!! Why was it filmed and for whom !? I can say for my zombie and foreign sponsors of the collapse of Ukraine! From the operator's point of view, systematic repetitions of the picture. From the point of view of evidence, there is no real irrefutable facts confirming the presence of a regular Russian army. What is shown can be taken with great pressure as circumstantial evidence, but they are easy to fabricate !!! These "whiners" with a hidden face are called Ukrainian patriots on what basis !? Are they protecting the country from external invasion !? They came to kill the rebellious !!! Such people are called differently - punishers !!! And with the punitive in Russia, the conversation is short - to the underworld, to hell !!! am There is their place! That's the whole discussion !!! In short, another, unprofessional, heinous libel on events in New Russia !!!
    Quote: vek
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rdQ3d9TPcU
    Please participate in the discussion of this video :) I promise a storm of positive emotions :)
  27. Cristall
    Cristall 8 October 2014 12: 06
    0
    Recall that the first ship “Vladivostok” should be delivered to Russia in October 2014, and the second - “Sevastopol” - should be transferred to the Russian Navy at the end of 2015.
    Read more on NTV.Ru: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1227259/#ixzz3FXRnwldz
    that is, this month
    it is very necessary to see whether force majeure is a military action in the agreement.
    In general, legally, the Russian Federation has nothing to rely on if France provides protection in force majeure.
    In addition to reputation. But the reputation of the Russian Federation will be undermined even more painfully. Wow, the Russian Federation itself did not receive ships from France.

    Jean-Yves Le Drian explained that the final decision will be made when the delivery date for the Russian helicopter carriers is at the end of October or the beginning of November
    Read more on NTV.Ru: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1227259/#ixzz3FXSRJFEd
    In general, they will delay ...
    By the way, they rallied near him against the transfer of the Mistral of the Russian Federation.
    http://news.bigmir.net/world/843595-Vo-Francii-mitingovali-protiv-peredachi-Mist
    ralei-rossiiskim-obezyanam
  28. lelikas
    lelikas 8 October 2014 19: 59
    0
    Quote: Cristall
    it is very necessary to see whether force majeure is a military action in the agreement.

    Russia is not at war with anyone - this is the time.
    Ukraine is not at war with anyone - like the ATO - two.
    If they don’t pass the ships, it means they will officially recognize that war is going on in Ukraine. And they don’t need it.