Multi-tower tanks of the USSR. Part of 3. Tank Grote (TG)

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Almost simultaneously with the creation of tanks T-26 and T-28 in the Soviet Union, work began on the creation of a heavy breakthrough tank. Later, these works ended with the creation of a real monster - the T-35 tank. However, before that, another tank was embodied in the metal in the USSR, which was not lucky enough to go into series. We are talking about the tank, which is now known as TG, or the Grotte tank.

In 1930, a group of engineers from Germany arrived in the USSR at the invitation of Moscow, led by Edward Grote. Arriving engineers were given the task of developing a combat vehicle weighing up to 30 tons. It was planned that the created tank will receive powerful cannon armament - guns of 76,2 caliber and 37 mm. It was also planned that the new tank could receive additional weapons in the form of 5 machine guns.

The control over the group of German engineers arrived in the USSR was carried out by the Technical Department of the EGU OGPU. It was the head of this department who gave the task for the Grote group in 1930 year. According to the technical assignment, the German specialists were to create a tank with an armor thickness of at least 20 mm, which has an 35-40 km / h speed, armed with two guns. Questions of installation and placement of weapons, the range, the location of the ammunition and other issues were "given away" to the designers.

Multi-tower tanks of the USSR. Part of 3. Tank Grote (TG)


The OGPU, together with the NKVM, made a proposal to speed up work on the production and testing of a TG tank, believing that this task is the most important in the field of manufacturing experienced tanks on the 1931 year. At the same time, in the Soviet Union, Napoleon’s plans were simply to launch the production of these machines. For the development of their release in the 1931 year in the country planned to make the first batch, consisting of 50-75 tanks. At the same time, before the end of production and testing of prototypes of TG in the USSR, they planned to begin production of another experimental tank - T-24. Serial production of tanks Grote was planned to deploy at the facilities of the KhPZ (Kharkov Locomotive Plant) after the release of X-NUMX T-80 tanks and its withdrawal from production. Tank T-24 was considered only as a temporary measure. In total, by the year 24 in the USSR, they hoped to produce 1932 TG tanks.

Especially for the development of a new tank in Leningrad at the Bolshevik plant, a new design bureau, ABO-5, was created, which included a group of Grote specialists and a number of Soviet design engineers. At the same time, the development of a new Soviet tank was carried out in the strictest secrecy. The work on this project, on which great hopes were pinned, was monitored by representatives of the PBC and the government of the country. For example, on November 17 of 18-1930, the Bolshevik plant was personally visited by K. Ye. Voroshilov, who subsequently reported about him personally to Stalin. According to him, the readiness of the new tank was 85%, it remained to finish the work on the completion of the motor group, gearbox and some other components and assemblies. Voroshilov reported to Stalin that a sample of a breakthrough tank was assembled in a special workshop, in which about 130 people were employed, workers and technicians. In this case, the construction of the tank was delayed due to severe illness of Edward Grote. Despite this, the Soviet engineers expected to deliver a prototype of the machine by the 15-20 December 1930. However, the tank in these terms was not possible to complete.

The main reason for the delay in work on the prototype was the unreliable operation of a specially designed engine for this tank designed by Grote himself. For this reason, in April 1931, it was decided to abandon it and conduct a test cycle, temporarily installing a TG on the tank aviation M-6 engine. This decision required some redesign of the tank design, since the dimensions of the aircraft M-6 exceeded the dimensions of the Grote engine. As a result, a prototype TG tank was ready only by the beginning of July 1931. By this summer month, the car more or less managed to bring to the test.



The tank armament for the 1931 of the year was simply outstanding. The main armament of the tank was a gun A-19 (PS-19) caliber 76,2 mm, it was placed in the main turret. The gun had a semi-automatic loader, thanks to this solution, the gun’s rate of fire reached the 10-12 rounds per minute. At that time it was the most powerful tank gun in the world. In the hemispherical small tower, which was located above the main tower, the 37-mm PS-1 gun was installed. This gun was able to conduct circular fire. In addition, 2 machine guns DT, as well as 3 machine gun "Maxim", all caliber 7,62 mm, all machine guns had limited pointing angles were installed in the sides of the hull of the tank on ball mounts. Due to this, the armament of the Grote tank was three-level. Such a solution was supposed to provide an effective massive fire in all directions. The crew of the combat vehicle should have included 5-6 tank crews.

The special features of the design and layout of the new Soviet combat vehicle were the armored body extended to a 7,5 meter, a high under-turret box, a turret mixed to the stern of the tank, shielding of the chassis and a high tracked loop, the presence of an observation tower, and the use of pneumatic drives to control the transmission units. A large number of technical innovations were embodied in the TG tank, which in those years were not used on any serial tank. Such novelties were: fully welded armored corps, multi-tiered weapons system, the use of coil springs.

The fact that the progress of the project was reported personally to Stalin was completely justified. It should be noted that the resulting tank was worth it. The Tank Grote was at least 10 years ahead of similar tanks from other states, while it was ready at the beginning of the 1930s. The fighting machine favorably differed from all Soviet and foreign machines of its time, not only with its appearance, but also with its layout and manufacturing technology. The undoubted innovation, as mentioned above, was a fully welded body. The 37-mm gun mounted on the upper tier also had the ability to be used as an anti-aircraft gun.



The 76,2-mm cannon, designed by E. Grote and P. Syachevatova, located in the fixed main turret, had excellent ballistics. It is curious that according to the draft, the main tower was supposed to be rotating, but when it was manufactured, the turret shoulder welded to the tank body turned out to be deformed, and the lower main tower turned into a fixed wheelhouse. In the future, when the tank was put into mass production, this defect should have been eliminated.

The combat weight of the machine was 25 tons. The tank favorably differed from its predecessors by the presence of counter-reservation, the frontal armor of the hull was made three-layered. In especially dangerous places, its thickness reached 44 mm, while the booking of the sides of the tank reached 24 mm, and the booking of the tower and wheelhouse was 30 mm.

The chassis of the Grote tank in relation to each board consisted of large diameter 5-rollers, as well as 4-x supporting rollers of medium diameter and 2-x rollers of small diameter. The use of independent suspension on coil springs allowed for the vertical movement of the rollers to a distance of 220 mm, and the use of semi-pneumatic tires of the “Elastic” type ensured the combat vehicle a very mild course. In the factory workshop without tracks, a multi-ton machine could easily roll the entire 2-3 man from place to place.



The gearbox used on the TG provided 4 transmissions forward and 4 transmission backward. This feature of the checkpoint allowed the combat vehicle to move forward and backward at identical speeds, which was considered an advantage for quickly removing the tank from the shelling zone or withdrawing the damaged vehicle from the battlefield. Gears with chevron engagement were used in the design of the gearbox. The question of controlling the combat vehicle was solved in a very original way - instead of using the usual levers, an aviation-type control knob was used on it. Turns were made by a corresponding deviation of this handle to the left or to the right. The use of pneumatic actuators provided a very easy process control tank.

Caterpillars TG were of original design, they were made from stamped parts and had great resistance to rupture. A curious feature was that all the rollers had brakes, which were intended for an emergency stop of the machine when the track was broken. According to the Grote patent, pneumatic actuators for brakes and controls were manufactured. Needless to say that all these decisions have inflated the price of the tank to the skies.

Tests of the new Soviet tank were carried out from July to October 1931. Tests have demonstrated both the obvious advantages of the machine and its drawbacks. The use of aircraft engine M-6 power 300 hp allowed the car to show on the test speed in 34 km / h. At the same time, the military praised the maneuverability of the tank and the smoothness of the work of the transmission, the ease of control of the combat vehicle, and the use of pneumatic drives. At the same time, it turned out that the transmission nodes overheated, and the TG passability on soft soils was unsatisfactory. The low efficiency of tracks and brakes on loose and viscous surfaces was also revealed.



The guns of the tank were distinguished by good accuracy of shooting, the 76-mm gun was a very powerful weapon for its years and was distinguished by a high initial velocity of the projectile. But the tests showed that because of the narrowness in the fighting compartment, firing both cannons and machine guns simultaneously is simply impossible. In addition, the tank was distinguished by poor maintainability outside factory conditions. Even with the elimination of all the shortcomings, the Grote tank would be extremely difficult to launch into mass production. Another nail in the coffin lid of the tank was its cost - one Grote tank cost 1,5 a million rubles (for comparison, it was possible to build 25 tanks BT-2 with this money). As a result, in October 1931, the project was recognized as experimental and completely closed.

As a result, it was decided to abandon the services of the engineer Grote and start designing a much cheaper car based on his tank. The work on this project was entrusted to N. Barykov, who in 1932 and created the famous five-tower T-35 tank, which was very similar to the next British - the Independent tank, but with even stronger cannon weapons. Interestingly, the British military themselves were able to get a tank that was similar to the Soviet TG, only in 1940 year. This is a tank A.22 "Churchill", which was launched into serial production in 1941 under the designation Mk.IV. The very first models of this tank were equipped with an 40-mm cannon in the turret and an 75-mm cannon in the hull. The position of the cannon in the tank's hull was very low, it had an inadequate firing angle, and the nearby driver had limited visibility.

If we talk about the fate of the only assembled TG tank, it turned out to be bleak. To this day, this tank has not been preserved. After the completion of work on this project, the tank was sent for storage at the landfill in the Kubinka town near Moscow, and then at the WAMM named after Stalin, where the car was located until the beginning of World War II. Most likely, during the war, this unique tank was simply sent to the smelter.

Information sources:
http://lenta.ru/articles/2014/02/19/tanks
http://pro-tank.ru/sssr/59-t-28-and-tg?start=1
http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/tg/tg.html
http://tank.itishistory.ru/4_tank_31.php
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  1. Turik
    +4
    8 October 2014 10: 57
    For the beginning of the 30s the project was a breakthrough. But the armor of 20-40 mm for the future war is clearly not enough. The first large-caliber mine or shell exploded nearby - and you can say goodbye to half of the equipment and the crew of the tank.
    1. +1
      8 October 2014 18: 04
      Quote: Turik
      For the beginning of the 30's, a breakthrough project

      "breakthrough" project of the Abwehr, the heir to the Militärische Nachrichtendienst Abteilung III b, yes. EXACTLY
      Abteilung Ausland, Groups II and III did a good job.
      2 of the year, several million rubles, about 140 specialists and so on and so were distracted
      =========================
      German experts, led by Edward Grothe, left the USSR in August 1933 and returned to Germany.


      The designer of the tank was engineer Edward Grote ....
      Try to find data on this "engineer"?
      1. +1
        9 October 2014 02: 17
        So, without raising his ass, he revealed a conspiracy. Counterintelligence is not needed when there is a citizen Opus. Bravo !!!
        1. +1
          9 October 2014 11: 12
          Quote: 505506
          Like this without picking up

          1. Have we already had a beer on "brotherhood"? And Mr. 505506?
          2. My backside, unlike you, hasn't grown to the sofa, you don't have to worry
          3. I did not "reveal" anything, but expressed OWN thought, in contrast to you, broadcasting illiterate broadcasting xs anyone
          ===========
          There is something to say (smart), at least FIND the "engineer" Goth and his creations.
          No?
          "Keep quiet Roman, .... maybe YOU WILL GO for a smart one"
      2. +1
        9 October 2014 13: 02
        I think that in 1930 there was still not the Abwehr to which you refer, because the staffing of its employees until 1935 was 150 people.
        1. +2
          9 October 2014 15: 16
          Quote: fzr1000
          I think that in 1930 there wasn’t that Abwehr yet,

          1. was, in essence (but not the name) the same Militärische Nachrichtendienst Abteilung III b of the former Kaiser General Staff
          (And the chief of the Abwever from 1935 to 1944, Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, yes indeed)
          Abwehr is not an SD or SS, it is not directly related to the Nazis (only in 1936 Canaris achieved the signing of an agreement on the delimitation of powers of Abwehr, SD and the Gestapo, known as the "Treaty of the Ten Commandments.")

          single organization included in 1921 year to the Ministry of Defense and called "Abwehr" (Abwehr - defense, reflection). The name was chosen as a concession to the requirements of the Treaty of Versailles, but from the very beginning, Abwehr was planned as a full-fledged special service, the functions of which fully included both intelligence and counterintelligence. Major Friedrich Gemp, former Deputy Chief of Kaiser Intelligence Walter, headed the new intelligence service. Nikolai.

          2. Do you want to say that the state since 1918 "lived" without intelligence and counterintelligence ?? / Not even funny
          3.On the successes and possibilities of intelligence of the German General Staff, do I need to give examples?
          Quote: fzr1000
          until 1935 there were 150 people.

          ?
          1921: 3 officers, 7 reserve officers, and several (14) technical officers.
          1925:
          -Department Abwehr-1 (Major Grimaise) -intelligence, had regional offices in Berlin, Dresden, Stuttgart, Munich, Munster, Königsberg and Stettin, focusing on France, Poland, England, Czechoslovakia and the USSR.
          - The Abwehr-2 department was responsible for radio interception, the use of ciphers and cryptanalysis. The functions of the Abwehr-3 department (Major Gimer) included counterintelligence, the introduction of foreign intelligence services and the fight against political opponents of the regime in the army. Abwehr headquarters was located in Berlin, on the street Tirpitz-Ufer, 72-76.
          (this is where probably "only" about 150 people worked)
          You will not find exact data (according to Abwehr-1), but even so it is clear the scout "piece goods", Exclusive. For a year or five it is "not done"

          As a confirmation:
          1925 - France, England, Poland, Czechoslovakia and the USSR were assigned to the main objectives.
          1925: -In China, there was an effective intelligence network of German adviser officers at the headquarters of Chiang Kai-shek (from the USSR it was from 27 to 300, and the Germans?). After the arrest of Captain Roux in Germany and the liquidation of a network of German agents in Lombardy in response to these actions, the Italian intelligence agency SIM completely established trusting relationships and the exchange of information (it seems to be about 53). New regional offices have been created in Breslau, Wiesbaden, Cologne and Friborg.
          1914 Militarische Nachrichtendienst Abteilung III b only against Russia worked ONLY ONLY agents (in the "field") more than 400 people

      3. 0
        9 October 2014 19: 22
        Quote: opus
        The designer of the tank was engineer Edward Grote ....
        Try to find data on this "engineer"?

        To find data on this engineer, it is necessary to shovel tons of archival information, moreover, in the German archives, and it must be borne in mind that much could die during the war ...
        And if this engineer was not particularly outstanding, then especially detailed information about him might not have been preserved ...
        So it's not always worth looking for the "enemy's hand".
        1. +1
          9 October 2014 20: 17
          Quote: Albert1988
          To find data on this engineer, you need to shovel tons of archive information, and in the German archives,

          I shoveled everything (on the Internet) that I could (and in German), and at the University of Munich (I’ll soon finish shoveling, in paper ......
          NO HIM Edward Grote.
          There are models, no engineer


          Chief Lieutenant G. Burshtyn, B. Gebel, G. Bremer, J. Volmer and so on THERE IS.
          Edward is not


          Quote: Albert1988
          And if this engineer was not particularly outstanding

          Why is it UNKNOWN invite, and even pay in full (+ resources)?
          Moreover, the Sturmpanzerwagen Oberschlesien was almost created in 1918

          would invite Hauptmannes Müller

          и
          Char 2C

          and then the Panzerkampfwagen Neubaufahrzeug in the 30s


          Quote: Albert1988
          So it's not always worth looking for the "enemy's hand".

          no no..
          1. I'm not looking, especially a "hand"
          2. I just expressed my opinion (everything is somehow "strange" with Grotte)
          all
          1. 0
            10 October 2014 14: 36
            As for the impossibility of finding information in the archives - as I wrote - Germany was bombed very well, so many archives could burn up corny or be lost for other reasons. And if, for example, upon returning to Germany, Gerot Grote did not get a job in the military sphere, then in the military archives, which for the most part have been preserved, nothing will happen in principle, and there were a lot of civilians burned out.
            And about why they invited the little-known - they invited and maybe someone bigger, but I had to work with those who agreed to come.
    2. 0
      8 October 2014 21: 08
      Quote: Turik
      But the armor of 20-40 mm for the future war is clearly not enough.

      What was the better armor BT and T-26, released much later? The weak armor protection of the hull did not allow the use of BT tanks in counterattacks and oncoming tank battles in the summer of 1941 without catastrophic losses. The armor of light tanks BT and T-26 made its way through the guns of tanks and armored vehicles of the Wehrmacht. In many cases, BT tanks were destroyed at distances when the 45-mm 20-K cannon could not yet cause damage to enemy tanks.
      Booking BT-7.
      Type of armor steel rolled homogeneous
      Forehead of the body (top), mm / city. 22 / 18 °
      Forehead of the hull (middle), mm/deg. 15 / 60°
      Forehead of the hull (bottom), mm/deg. 15-22 / 0-60°
      Hull board, mm/deg. 15+4 / 0°
      Housing feed (top), mm / city. 10 / 55 °
      Hull feed (middle), mm/deg. 13 / 10°
      Housing feed (bottom), mm / city. 13 / 58 °
      Bottom, mm 6
      Roof, mm 10
      Tower forehead, mm / city. 15 / 0 °
      The mask of the gun, mm / city. Xnumx
      Board towers, mm / city. 15 / 0 °
      The feed of the tower, mm / city. 15 / 0 °
      Tower roof, mm 10 / 85—90°
      1. +1
        9 October 2014 09: 31
        Quote: Bayonet
        What was better armor BT and T-26,

        You can minus further, but it's not me who designed BT smile
      2. +2
        22 October 2014 18: 43
        Quote: Bayonet
        What was the better armor BT and T-26, released much later?

        BT and T-26 were LIGHT tanks. The feasibility of such a number of light tanks is a matter of separate discussion. But TG was a HEAVY BREAKTHROUGH TANK. You must admit that it was possible to break through a prepared defense line with such armor only if it was planned to be done in the first half of the 30's, and even then with unknown success (though there is no war without losses and a reasonable risk is always acceptable). But such a pile of weapons with its apparent redundancy - this, IMHO, is overkill. Yes, and so widely advertised separation, also IMHO, does not greatly facilitate the coordination of fire. I remember that in T-35 this was a real scourge, and the more modest QMS and T-100 were also not easy with this question. I imagine the simultaneous fire of two guns, one above the other on the same base ...
  2. +1
    8 October 2014 11: 19
    The gloomy German genius is resting in comparison with the Russians.
    1. +5
      8 October 2014 11: 58
      The gloomy German genius is resting in comparison with the Russians.
      From what? Grotte is a German and came from Germany.
  3. +1
    8 October 2014 11: 21
    Until the next war, there was approx. 10 years. With a mass release, upgrades would probably be made with respect to the thickness of the armor. The truth would hardly have survived the idea of ​​multi-tower.
    1. 0
      8 October 2014 12: 24
      This is a dwarf tank!
    2. +1
      8 October 2014 18: 03
      And after ten years, they would almost completely die in the first months of the war, like the T-28 and T-35. Judging by the article, problems with its maintenance would be even greater.
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  5. +2
    8 October 2014 11: 26
    And there’s nothing that the Germans entered the 2world having about 80% of armored vehicles from the entire fleet of armored vehicles with machine gun weapons and bulletproof armor? True, then they put 20mm instead of 7.92mm, but the reservation remained the same. and the base armor of the tank troops of the Pazik-3 had 20-30mm armor and (funny for us) fluff 37mm ......
  6. dipqrer
    +4
    8 October 2014 11: 31
    Even today, the shape of the tank does not seem archaic. A very interesting car!
  7. +1
    8 October 2014 12: 12
    As I understand it, firing from two barrels at the same time is impossible? Then why all this kit?
  8. padonok.71
    +4
    8 October 2014 13: 10
    Grotte was away in full, and upon returning to his homeland did not sit idly by. Just gushing ideas. One Ratte is worth it.
    1. +1
      8 October 2014 15: 38
      and how to carry it. the mass of the tank is limited by the railway gauge carrying capacity and the size of the railway platforms.
      1. anomalocaris
        +1
        8 October 2014 16: 07
        And he himself had to crawl. Or disassemble into its component parts ... In addition, its power plant was supposed to consist of two diesels from the submarine, respectively, this monster had to overcome water obstacles along the bottom, under the snorkel ... It's a pity that such a "bright" idea came to the Teutons too late , you see, they would start building a couple of such yuberpanzers, and not build a couple of hundred "Panthers" ...
        1. +1
          8 October 2014 18: 59
          Yes, one heavy aviation bomb and a mustache, although it would have covered itself by itself, it ate all the fuel.
      2. +2
        8 October 2014 23: 27
        Quote: lav67
        and how to carry it


        The prototype of the transformers ... if necessary, the iron runs up to the required distance. fellow
    2. +1
      8 October 2014 21: 12
      Quote: padonok.71
      One Ratte is worth it.

      This is a dead end branch of tank construction, the project did not go further. Pointless gigantism!
    3. 0
      9 October 2014 13: 07
      More options.

      1. 0
        9 October 2014 15: 39
        Yeah, with a tower from battle cruisers.
        "So this is what you are," Iron Kaput "!" :)
    4. +2
      22 October 2014 18: 47
      Quote: padonok.71
      One Ratte is worth it.

      About the "rat" has already been said and written ... Another fake from the Internet. In any case, thirty years ago there was no rumor about it, although quite a lot was written about the E-100, the "mouse" and other unrealized menagerie.
  9. 0
    8 October 2014 21: 38
    Quote: Bayonet
    Quote: padonok.71
    One Ratte is worth it.

    This is a dead end branch of tank construction, the project did not go further. Pointless gigantism!

    But after all, "Mouse" was launched into production, so the Teutons had "not everything so unambiguously" ©
    1. padonok.71
      0
      8 October 2014 22: 09
      Well, as they launched, one running layout and a platform without a tower, that's all production. Although the fascists cleverly sank with the menagerie. To our joy.
      1. anomalocaris
        0
        10 October 2014 11: 06
        No. They started making them late. A year earlier - and ours would have had to burn Panthers less.
      2. anomalocaris
        0
        10 October 2014 11: 12
        The Panther, that is, the PzKpfw V, was a very successful tank. If the Knimkampf roller system is folded back.
        Read, be amazed. http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/WWII/PzV/txt/PzV.php
    2. 0
      9 October 2014 09: 36
      Quote: Lame Pirate
      But after all, "Mouse" was launched into production

      There could be no question of any serial production - two test samples were built. One tank (object 205/1 with a loading turret) was located in the area of ​​the western batteries of the Kummersdorf artillery range. Another (object 205/2) - at the site of the Stamm camp near Zossen, 14 km from Kummersdorf. Both tanks were incapacitated, and the hull of the tank located in the Stammlager was destroyed by an explosion. At the direction of the commander of the BT and MB of the Armed Forces, one "Maus" was assembled from two damaged samples, which was sent to the USSR for a detailed study and analysis of its design ... On May 4, 1946, the tank arrived at the NIIBT of the GBTU KA test site (the village of Kubinka), where to this day it can be seen in the exposition of the Military Historical Museum of Armored Weapons and Equipment.
    3. +2
      22 October 2014 18: 59
      Quote: Lame Pirate
      But after all, "Mouse" was launched into production

      Young (or not so) man, there is a difference between the RELEASE OF THE FIRST COPY for sea trials and the START OF PRODUCTION of serial samples. "Mouse" in full completeness of only one Porsche made, two more (according to some sources - three) copies of the chassis without a tower (and those scattered across different factories) to clarify the complete futility of this miracle - this is quite unambiguous.
  10. 0
    2 November 2014 16: 49
    Gigantomania in tank building led to the exact opposite result that the creators wanted to achieve. This is about all such tanks.
  11. 0
    28 October 2015 20: 13
    the most interesting thing is that if you put dshk in a small tower, and leave 1 dt (coaxial with a gun) from machine guns, put the saved weight on strengthening armor protection and installing a radio station ... then for the Spanish company-wunderwafer