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“PutinZakroyVentil!”, Or Why the “gas cold” will not happen

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“PutinZakroyVentil!”, Or Why the “gas cold” will not happen


According to popular opinion, this winter Ukraine is waiting for the Ice Age, which will completely change the political picture by the spring of next year. The opinion is supported by popular demotivators depicting icicles growing from the nose of Klitschko frosty frost and other caricatures. However, in a political reality, such a development is not necessary for anyone, which means most likely that it will not happen. The question today is not whether Ukraine will freeze or not, and not even who will pay for it, but about the proportion in which it will have to be thrown off. However, let's order.

... If someone missed, then right now there are active negotiations between Russia, the EU and Ukraine about the conditions under which Russian gas will be supplied in the next 6 months, that is, during the cold period. Today, Russia has declared its readiness to supply 10 billion cubic meters of gas, of which the first half should go through prepayment, and the second half should go through the take-or-pay system. As for the Ukrainian debt, the European Commission is ready to guarantee payment of 3,1 billion dollars according to the schedule that suits Russia. Prime Minister D. Medvedev at a meeting with Energy Minister A. Novak stressed that compromises should be sought, not forgetting the debt, but also taking into account the difficult conditions in which Ukraine is located. The price for gas at the same time put forward in the amount of 385 dollars per thousand cubic meters.

Now for the time being we will turn off emotions and look at the situation from a pragmatic point of view. Frozen Ukraine does not need anyone. Whatever loud statements may sound, Russia and the EU are equally interested in the stable transit of gas. Ukraine is without transit, and in addition to this, Ukraine freezing does not contribute to the implementation of any of Russia's strategic objectives in the conflict. There is an opinion that, say, Ukraine, losing its heat, will rebel, reset Poroshenko’s regime and crawl to Russia on its knees, repenting of its sins and asking for a bit of gas in debt. Such an economic coercion to the world. It hardly works. More precisely, it would have worked if we could prepare the ground for the new Ukrainian revolution in advance, that is, do all the gigantic organizational work that would allow us to direct people's anger against the current government and replace it with power loyal to us. But we have neither our own candidates for this role, nor the underground revolutionary infrastructure, nor free resources, nor the time to organize all this. And this means that if the “snow spring” in Ukraine happens, its results will definitely not bring us any benefit. Well, on the wave of popular anger, the States of another dummy will drag on us, what is the use of this? More likely, Poroshenko himself and his ilk will take advantage of the situation in order to strengthen their political positions, however paradoxical it may sound now. After all, the recipe has already been tested and works well - to put all the blame on the klyats and promise a quick start to gas production on Jupiter. You look, until the spring somehow will reach, and there the renewed war will write off everything again.

The only guaranteed effect from the “winter gas sea” is a new influx of refugees, and not only from the south-east of Ukraine. Of course, they are not a burden to us, native people are still - but people are sorry. Approximately the same year that occurs in Syria, where the flow of refugees to neighboring Turkey increases in winter, when people do not flee from Assad and not from Islamists, but simply at least in some conditions for life.

In general, we will not receive any political or economic benefits from the freezing Ukraine. However, Europe too. And the Kiev junta itself, for all its frostbitteness, does not want to freeze even more, she wants to be paid for it again, and she will present it as a victory for her own diplomacy. And if, up to this point, Ukrainian citizens still have to die a little, it’s even good, the brighter will be such a victory to shine afterwards. Therefore, it can afford to bargain to a certain extent. Until known, because it still does not dare bring the relations to Europe to a break. In a word, nobody will be able to freeze Ukraine this winter.

And now let's remember about emotions. Emotions scream that you can’t compromise with Ukraine in any way. Emotions claim that it is impossible to supply gas to Ukraine even on conditions that are completely favorable to us. We too long watched the impunity of the Kiev regime and too long believed in the inevitability of retaliation. And if they didn’t let us see how he was being punished by the force of the Russian military weaponsthen we must do it at least by the power of economic. To have icicles from the nose fell down. To nakakalis amusement. And the fact that at the same time they hate us, so much more than now.

... And personally, I do not dare to blame people who argue this way because they are in their own right.

The situation is painfully reminiscent of the beginning of the spring campaign “Putin, send in troops!”

The situation creates conditions for a new fragmentation of the patriotic blogosphere, mutual accusations of treason, threats of “patriotic Maidan” and the like. I do not know how in Ukraine, but our winter promises to be hot.
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  1. USSR 1971
    USSR 1971 8 October 2014 14: 33
    +6
    Well, they will be given gas for half a winter, neither the economy, nor the brains of Crimea or the Donbass can be returned to Kiev. The question is, from where will they cut down more for economy - from people (heating) or from the remnants of industry.
    Ordinary people, of course, always feel sorry for me, I’m against the fact that another veteran of the Second World War somewhere in Kiev froze in winter to please the freak Yatsenyuk. Only after all, it will probably be so, then Russia will also be blamed. No, that's enough, we have to do all this under the supervision of a bunch of EU observers, so that next slops will not pour on us.
    1. krivdaSPb
      krivdaSPb 8 October 2014 14: 56
      +75
      You have never come across a beggar who begs for a penny, but, having received it, spits after you that he gave so little, p'askuda - "you yourself, go, you eat black caviar five times a day ..."
      Under whatever supervision of whatever observers no matter what happens, ALWAYS will be extreme Russia.
      Always.
      This is me to the question of "so as not to pour slop", and to the fact that the slop will still be above the roof. So, the condition - the presence of observers - is up to us for the lantern. Let Europe be concerned with observers, since it is not only politically interested in NON-gas in Ukraine.
      And our, Russian, task is to get out of the conflict with as little losses as possible - that is, to "pour a little bit of gas" - just enough so that people do not freeze. And enough for them. Let them pull from Europe to work their industry and run with an outstretched hand - it's no stranger to it.
      1. oblako
        oblako 8 October 2014 17: 59
        +16
        In general, I don’t understand the logic of our actions, (what kind of demand is foolish): they impose sanctions on us - we give them gas ... They essentially declared war on us, NATO structures are pushing them to the borders, we’ll get fuel to reach our borders .. Even not a single gas pumping unit defiantly did not break down ... Clearly, sanctions, obligations, etc. ... That is, I have to understand that they have more significant needs, but we have less significant ones? Well, if such a booze went, then cut the last cucumber for it can only get worse. In the West, the prevailing opinion is that without the West, Russia is nothing, and they confirm this with their actions. In fact, we are left with no choice but to demonstrate our self-sufficiency. No radical action is indispensable. We are waiting, sir. Do you know why Russia is called unpredictable? This is how they build plans, build against her, everything seems to be provided, and according to the logic, the outcome is programmed and then bam! Brusilovsky breakthrough ... Bam! Industrialization ... Wham! The satellite flew ... Bam! Where is the Crimea? ... Well, we won there in a row to repair the premises for the headquarters of the US Navy ... request
        1. BIG
          BIG 9 October 2014 07: 04
          +1
          Quote: oblako
          they sanction us - we gas them ... They essentially declared war on us,

          And you do not exaggerate too much? What is so bad about these sanctions? Officials were banned from traveling to Europe. The oligarchs are seized accounts abroad. Exxon Mobile curtailed 9 out of 10 of its joint projects with Rosneft.
          And you "essentially" consider it a war?
          I didn’t think that in VO oligarchs hang out in the forums lol
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      3. Mhpv
        Mhpv 8 October 2014 19: 11
        0
        Quote: krivdaSPb
        You have never come across a beggar who begs a penny


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        1. skeket
          skeket 9 October 2014 00: 50
          0
          Quote: mhpv
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          Well, judging by these pictures, Ukraine needs to be washed and used)
    2. DRA-88
      DRA-88 8 October 2014 14: 56
      +59
      At first, the media convinced us that the parachute was a bloody monster (and hardly anyone would argue with this), and right away that the parachute business in Russia was normal.
      Now, after the Minsk conspiracy, the rhetoric of the media regarding the parashka has changed and now they generally keep quiet about him, and completely abstract fascism is already accused of atrocities in Dombassa !!! From the media and zomboyaschik left the words like "bloody junta", etc.
      And now, with the okRain, the elite, which declared Russia an aggressor and is in fact waging war and is, to put it mildly, an unfriendly state, Gazprom (which, by advertising, is the property of the People and fulfills dreams) is negotiating gas supplies !!! Have you asked the People? This is the Kingdom of Curved Mirrors !!!!
      1. DanSabaka
        DanSabaka 8 October 2014 15: 06
        -1
        And look at it from the other side: Ukrainians will survive the winter not in spite of "Russian intrigues", but THANKS to Russian gas ....
        And do not forget that without transit through Ukraine, gas supplies to some European countries are impossible ...
        1. BIGLESHIY
          BIGLESHIY 8 October 2014 15: 38
          +21
          Quote: DanSabaka
          And look at it from the other side: Ukrainians will survive the winter not in spite of "Russian intrigues", but THANKS to Russian gas ....
          And do not forget that without transit through Ukraine, gas supplies to some European countries are impossible ...

          The northern stream to help us, and the South stream. And let the Orcs freeze if their minds prosal. Or so let them jump.
          And what before when there was no gas than drowned? Correctly CORRECT !!! So let go to the DNI and LC to bow, you look and they will raise the economy.
          1. DanSabaka
            DanSabaka 8 October 2014 18: 21
            +3
            The northern stream to help us, and the South stream. And let the Orcs freeze if their minds prosal. Or so let them jump.

            Orcs already have a reason to gallop .... But the Czechs with Slovaks have already grabbed their heads .... No wonder the Czech Republic’s premiere Zeman has been criticizing Euro-sanctions and the entire EU anti-Russian policy for the second month .... South Stream isn’t coming soon they’ll let me go, a year and a half later, at best ....
        2. Siberian German
          Siberian German 8 October 2014 16: 50
          0
          yes you are right - and this is our misfortune
        3. Normal
          Normal 8 October 2014 18: 12
          +11
          Quote: DanSabaka
          not in spite of "Russian intrigues", but THANKS to Russian gas ....

          No one in Ukraine will appreciate this. On the contrary, they will consider their victory over Russia
        4. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 8 October 2014 19: 24
          +7
          Quote: DanSabaka
          And do not forget that without transit through Ukraine, gas supplies to some European countries are impossible ...

          And these are the problems of Europeans and their relations with Ukraine. The thistles themselves have grown, let them harvest themselves. There is nothing to take responsibility on Russia for its non-friendly policy towards Russia.
          1. skeket
            skeket 9 October 2014 00: 57
            0
            Quote: Алексей_К
            And these are the problems of Europeans and their relations with Ukraine. The thistles themselves have grown, let them harvest themselves. There is nothing to take responsibility on Russia for its non-friendly policy towards Russia.

            There are only flowers with gas, not much time will pass and the EU of Russia will say, let's help Ukraine restore the devastation.
        5. Djuma
          Djuma 8 October 2014 19: 52
          +4
          No one in the outskirts has ever thanked Russia for cheap gas, much less will they do it now, for expensive gas. Yaytsenyukh will probably say, like: "The Russians were afraid of our wall and one new missile, and they are also afraid of losing the arbitration, so they want to make amends with gas."
          No need to build illusions - this people is not brotherly to us, but also it is ungrateful! There are our people who are sorry, and there are enemies. It seems to me that it is possible to give gas to the outskirts with this tune, but with harsh conditions for Europe - the northern and southern streams will forever leave the EU jurisdiction, they will never be affected by the third, fourth, or forty-fourth energy packages. Then there will be gas.
        6. kotev19
          kotev19 8 October 2014 22: 56
          +3
          ... gas supplies to some European countries ... are possible from here:
          The largest underground gas storage facility in Western Europe, located in Rehden, Germany, becomes the property of Gazprom, Wintershall, a subsidiary of BASF, told dpa.

          The agreement with Gazprom, providing for the transfer of gas storage facilities under Russian control, did not fall under the sanctions imposed by the European Union on Russia in connection with the crisis in Ukraine, the Focus Online newspaper notes.

          "We are talking only about the implementation of the agreement", - quotes the press secretary of Wintershall Stefan Leunig Deutsche Welle.

          The transfer of the UGS facility to the Russian monopoly became part of a large-scale asset swap between the German concern BASF and Gazprom, concluded in December 2013 and then approved by the European Commission.

          As a result of the deal, Gazprom will increase to 100% its stake in joint European gas trading and storage companies Wingas, Wieh and Wiee, and will also acquire a 50% stake in Winz, which explores and produces hydrocarbons in the North Sea.

          At the end of 2012, these assets accounted for about 10 billion euros in total Basf sales and 500 million euros in total EBITDA.

          Wintershall, in turn, will receive 25,01% of economic participation in the project for the development and development of sections 4A and 5A of the Achimov deposits of the Urengoy oil and gas condensate field.

          In accordance with the development plan, the resources of these blocks amount to 274 billion cubic meters of gas and 74 million tons of condensate. The total annual production during the peak period will be about 8 billion cubic meters. The start of production is scheduled for 2016.
      2. sled beach
        sled beach 8 October 2014 15: 12
        +4
        Everything is muddy and incomprehensible, like in a half-rotten organism, there are too many people tied up to find the truth, yes and no, now and who needs it. It’s easier to believe in profit, you don’t have to suffer for it, that's what we live for and it’s all for nothing. It’s a pity that rock for profit it’s food or they’ll let it into the fertilizer to the edge.
      3. cheega69
        cheega69 8 October 2014 16: 09
        +15
        I'll tell you more. As recently as yesterday the infa passed that my favorite "echo of Moscow" is funded by Gazprom. The question arises. Is this a state policy?
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 8 October 2014 16: 53
          +6
          Quote: cheega69
          Is that government policy like that?

          If I am not mistaken, this is a multi-pronged policy of t-a-a-ka say pluralism and democracy. laughing
          As for financing, well, a little man sits ordering advertising, another little man allocates, such as grants for development, type, free society. As a result, we have denyuzhku Echo accounts and tax breaks (?).
        2. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 8 October 2014 17: 58
          -1
          This is not a state policy (which does not seem to interfere with the activities of "economic entities" in our country), but "effective investment in the media industry."
      4. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 8 October 2014 17: 55
        0
        "Nothing personal, just business" (c) Vittorio Andolini (Corleone)
      5. Normal
        Normal 8 October 2014 18: 08
        +3
        Quote: DRA-88
        Have you asked the People?

        And when did the current government ask the people something? But this did not bother the people.
        1. user1212
          user1212 8 October 2014 19: 37
          0
          Quote: Normal
          And when the people the current the government asked something?

          And what kind of power did you ask?
          1. Normal
            Normal 8 October 2014 20: 07
            +1
            Quote: user1212
            And what kind of power did you ask?


            You are right, almost none ... Almost ...
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Категория:Референдумы_в_России
            1. user1212
              user1212 9 October 2014 03: 20
              0
              Actually, not only in Russia. Any government in any country does not ask the population. Sometimes they organize a demonstrative referendum. Remember the failed EU referendums? It was carried out until people voted "right", accompanying all this with an aggressive advertising campaign.
              1. Normal
                Normal 9 October 2014 11: 06
                0
                Quote: user1212
                Sometimes they organize a demonstrative referendum. Remember the failed EU referendums? It was carried out until people voted "right", accompanying all this with an aggressive advertising campaign.

                And again you are right. But!
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Референдумы_в_Швейцарии
    3. Scoun
      Scoun 8 October 2014 15: 08
      +10
      Quote: USSR 1971
      Well, they will be given gas for half a winter, neither the economy nor the brains

      Well, they will be given gas .. but no one can give them brains .. that's right.
      Personally, I remember a picture of how grandmother "dandelion" drags bricks to the Maydauns from the cobblestones of which the Maydauns threw their own fellow citizens who, well, must ensure order and a grandmother with tears in her eyes stands before her eyes, who went through the war and who, crying, asks one question - why ?! The grandparents and children on both sides will most likely freeze and starve, but who led all these processions, who is now sitting in the parliament - they will not starve and freeze ... creatures.
    4. aleks700
      aleks700 8 October 2014 15: 49
      +10
      They will give as much as they need. Stop being so naive already.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 9 October 2014 09: 25
        0
        Quote: aleks700
        They will give as much as they need. Stop being so naive already.

        Maybe, maybe, only here such a thing, according to Miller, the train left!
        Ukraine will not be able to download the necessary, will not have time!
        Start even now!
        Warned the same _
    5. Siberian German
      Siberian German 8 October 2014 16: 49
      +2
      you know, we need to turn it off and sell it strictly at the price that we need — no, and to hell with them — we accept refugees only from where they themselves rose against those freaks who are now in power in Kiev — and who are silent and who like the current government, let them take what they give and at the price for which they give - and to fit loudspeakers to the border and start a speech explaining what, why, and why they are to blame for the fact that they live like that now
    6. alien50
      alien50 8 October 2014 16: 56
      +11
      Author minus!
      The article was written against the dictation of the 5th column of liberalists!
      Like, you have to feel sorry for the poor ukrov!
      Do they pity the Russian people in the east?
      Warm them for their genocide? Author, Pashol you in the ass personally from me!
      They shut off the gas forever and ever! Until the fascist evil is not known!
      Nikhera, applications! They beat us on the right cheek, substitute the left? ...
      Isn’t it better to answer from the foot into the fat parashny mug? !!!
      Yes, and it would be nice for the author to light up in a dime too!
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 8 October 2014 17: 00
        +2
        Quote: alien50
        Warm them for their genocide? Author, Pashol you in the ass personally from me!

        good
        Quote: alien50
        Yes, and it would be nice for the author to light up in a dime too!

        good drinks
      2. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 8 October 2014 18: 01
        +3
        These are all emotions. The author just writes - "... if you turn off emotions ..."
      3. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 8 October 2014 19: 49
        +4
        At 100% I join your opinion. In the country, the fascist system, they hate and pour mud on Russia, destroy cities and people. Only traitors can trade with such a state.
        1. aleks700
          aleks700 9 October 2014 05: 59
          0
          In the country, the fascist system, they hate and pour mud on Russia, destroy cities and people. Only traitors can trade with such a state.

          Only traitors! Well, with whose permission is this happening?
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    8. siberalt
      siberalt 8 October 2014 17: 53
      +3
      Yeah. We have been paying for Ukraine for twenty years, which you (Eb.eS) and plundered, and we are the same sanctions? Then pay yourself. And nowhere to go. If the "Gazomüller" is not bent, then the Fourth Reich will have to pay for its outskirts. Today oats and matches have risen in price. laughing
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 8 October 2014 23: 54
        +3
        I do not agree with the conclusions of the author. If warm batteries are eaten at my place, then I will not think very well about this European integration and my authorities (even the EU cannot help with gas). High tariffs for housing and communal services and rising prices with the depreciation of the hryvnia also does not cause sympathy. Poverty - this is the price of European integration - with colds will reach many. And then how am I going to get euronishtyaki with empty pockets? And in the vehicle, I will not freeze at least one place.
        I remember the beginning of 90 and the collapse of the USSR. Then in Almaty there were blackouts of light, gas, batteries ate alive. Such hopelessness seemed, also with a small child. Somehow I didn’t particularly like the authorities. And then there is impoverishment and war in the east will still not be able to overcome. Unemployment is probably going through the roof.
        Cold Winter will turn many heads. I agree that the Russian Federation is not profitable - after all, grandmas lose not small. But when the entire infrastructure in the Far East is ready, the EU will no longer be able to walk with its nose up — you will have to keep your nose in the wind. If the EU even replaces our energy resources, then the cost of its goods will go uphill and will lose in competitive ability. They understand this well. Their influence on the Russian Federation will fall.
        1. aleks700
          aleks700 9 October 2014 06: 10
          0
          If the EU even replaces our energy resources, then the cost of its goods will go uphill and lose their competitive ability
          Competitiveness with whom?
  2. nfoma80
    nfoma80 8 October 2014 14: 35
    +2
    Cold as a result of politics.
    1. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 8 October 2014 14: 59
      +8
      Quote: nfoma80
      Cold as a result of politics.

      Right. What does emotion have to do with it? The most that neither is practicality. Did Makarevich add tears to the article "Novak" (collective)? - Master of the word. And the junta and oligarchs should provide natural gas just for breathing.
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 8 October 2014 18: 11
        +1
        "Practicalism" nonche is an agnostic. Naturalism in love, indifferent to what, densely mixed with loan interest. Washing the soul out of the "gold" mines. But not everything glitters that gold. Replaced community with states, Faith - with religion. Where are we going? The circle was digitized, or what? Berdyaev is resting.
    2. TUNISIA
      TUNISIA 8 October 2014 15: 01
      +14
      No politics, just business: paid - received, not paid - go to the forest, "brothers". I believe that the position in this should be tough. Enough lisp, regret already ...
      1. krivdaSPb
        krivdaSPb 8 October 2014 15: 08
        +1
        If it’s a clean business, then let's plunge into the economy. How much will you be able to shake an agreement with an officially declared bankrupt?
        Not a penny, right? Because bankrupt is a creature that is no longer responsible for anything. Like, disgraced - this is more than enough. What to take from naked?
        Whereas the debtor, though symbolically floundering afloat, has, albeit a ghostly, but a chance to survive and at least return something ...
        Again, his debt can be sold to someone ...
        This is the question of what is better to get a little bit, albeit sometime in the future, than nothing at all, never, plus, to pass for the whole world as a reptile who has finished lying down with his feet.
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 8 October 2014 18: 07
          0
          Assets are not only money, but also natural resources and fixed assets. So there is no money - transfer other assets into the ownership of Gazprom - the same GTS, liquid state blocks of shares, etc., etc. The state is not an individual entrepreneur who can really be "naked". If there is land (and even more so black soil), then bankruptcy (default) is purely financial and technical (well, there is no cash at the moment, and there are other assets, but they cannot be quickly transformed into cash, and losses from a discount may be too large)
  3. Abbra
    Abbra 8 October 2014 14: 35
    +23
    All this nonsense. Restraining emotions, I consider only one thing: pay for gas and make it look good. Everything is very simple.
    1. avt
      avt 8 October 2014 14: 40
      +8
      Quote: Abbra
      . Restraining emotions, I consider only one thing: pay for gas and make it look good. Everything is very simple.

      There is only one small, technical nuance - pay on time and pump gas into storage in a timely manner, but Svidomo ykrov already have trouble with this - they are really late. So there may be problems with transit. Here, the wise "Jewish commissioners of the EU started up, and then they were gladdened from Pendostan - there will be no gas from them to Ukraine before 2020!
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 8 October 2014 18: 08
        +2
        there will be no mattress shale gas at all - this is the next shtatovskoye bred
    2. aleks 62
      aleks 62 8 October 2014 15: 29
      +5
      ... Ostap Bender: .... in the morning money - in the evening chairs (gas) ..... All honestly .... But the debts in full in advance !!!! (who will pay, themselves or Geyropa, all the same ....) hi
  4. larand
    larand 8 October 2014 14: 35
    0
    let there be no chill, because capitalism. Norway already sells dill gas for 340 bucks.
    1. aleks 62
      aleks 62 8 October 2014 15: 32
      +10
      ..... At how they pump it ???? Or they bring it in bottles ... We saw this fake crap .... For some reason, the British buy from Norwegians somewhere under 700 shares ..... And they sell Ukrainians for 340 ... Well, miracles !!! Do you even believe in it yourself ???? hi
      1. larand
        larand 8 October 2014 18: 10
        -1
        Quote: aleks 62
        ..... At how they pump it ???? Or they bring it in bottles ... We saw this fake crap .... For some reason, the British buy from Norwegians somewhere under 700 shares ..... And they sell Ukrainians for 340 ... Well, miracles !!! Do you even believe in it yourself ???? hi

        "Reverse fuel supplies from Norway began on October 1 and amount to 11 million cubic meters of gas per day. The details of the contract and the terms of price formation were not disclosed." This is from the tyrnet, in which we are with you. You can't bring 11 million in cylinders.
        1. I read the news
          I read the news 8 October 2014 18: 41
          +2
          "Reverse fuel deliveries from Norway"
          across the southern border of the Kherson region?
        2. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 8 October 2014 20: 08
          +1
          Do not stir up water in vain. This is written only by the Ukrainian media. No one else on the Internet talks about this. Neither Germany nor Norway itself. If there are gas supplies from Europe, then this is reverse, Gazprom gas. If you read from European sources, then give a reference, I read it with pleasure.
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 8 October 2014 16: 27
      +2
      Quote: larand
      let there be no chill, because capitalism. Norway already sells dill gas for 340 bucks.

      They sold "10 cylinders" at $ 340 per m3, and no one will do mass deliveries at a loss.
      And where is that pipe for mass delivery, come in. Can you tell me?
      And what kind of policy Russia is pursuing in relation to Ukraine today can be characterized by the phrase of E. Primakov in relation to Russia's policy in the 90s.
      "The time of the brave is over; the time of the brave has begun."
      Putin is an actor in the hands of the oligarchs.
      Before the events in Ukraine, he was not bad at playing the role of "president", now the acting of this actor looks mediocre.
  5. Giant thought
    Giant thought 8 October 2014 14: 37
    +16
    Again Ukraine brings business to free gas for it.
    1. ISKANDER25
      ISKANDER25 8 October 2014 15: 06
      +3
      Hello Peter! I agree! + hi
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 8 October 2014 18: 13
      0
      In the SE - already uniquely preferential, with "EdinoUrkaina" - we will "look", as they say in Odessa.
  6. RUSS
    RUSS 8 October 2014 14: 37
    +13
    No, but I would have closed the valve for a couple of weeks somewhere in December for accommodation.
    1. ISKANDER25
      ISKANDER25 8 October 2014 15: 07
      +2
      Hello Maxim! I support! + hi
    2. FACKtoREAL
      FACKtoREAL 8 October 2014 16: 27
      +1
      No, but I would have closed the valve for a couple of weeks somewhere in December for accommodation.

      ... Duc, TECHNOLOGICAL REGULATORY WORKS THIS AND REQUIRES! request
      December-January .. 10-15 days, under normal weather conditions, and a temperature range from .. wink
      lol
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 8 October 2014 16: 56
      +3
      Quote: RUSS
      and I would have closed the valve for a couple of weeks somewhere in December for accommodations.

      You know you don't have to do this. The head of Gazprom has already stated that Kiev simply will not have enough time to pump the required amount of gas. Moreover, they have to pay by the end of October (like Europe will help), but time, time ... Here Russia can also play (so don't be indignant), like "Well, we were willing, but they themselves did not have time to upload the gas".
    4. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 8 October 2014 20: 35
      +1
      Better in February, colder.
    5. Cynic
      Cynic 9 October 2014 09: 32
      0
      Quote: RUSS
      No, but I would have closed the valve for a couple of weeks somewhere in December for accommodation.

      Before you say so, at least get acquainted with the technology of gas production and supply.
      For this option, they are now building a gas pipeline to China.
      You can’t block the valve in the fields!
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 October 2014 14: 37
    +23
    So what, again supply gas for free. Kiev is not going to pay. It is doubtful that Europe will pay money for them. Will we save the Kiev junta? Just do not say that ordinary Ukrainian people suffer. The people are suffering in the southeast, and in the rest of the U.S. region, they jump and curse Russia.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 8 October 2014 15: 32
      +5
      I would prefer a special way: to provide Novorossiys with complete comfort in terms of gas. All the rest - severely shut off the valve. New Russians to us brothers and allies. Others are outright enemies and haters of Russia.
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 8 October 2014 18: 17
        +1
        The only problem is transit to Geyrop. It will be billed like clockwork. But pipes, bypassing the urkaina, have not yet been laid to all consumers (and Bulgaria, s.u.k., dances to the US tune). So everything will swing and the urkaina will, as in 2009, "take transit gas"
  8. Yu-81
    Yu-81 8 October 2014 14: 39
    +26
    No gas. No negotiations with the Kiev riffraff. No concessions to anyone. Crush, crush and crush this trash again.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 8 October 2014 18: 21
      +2
      but for this:
      (1) Return I.I. Strelkova to New Russia
      (2) Create, nevertheless, finally, a unified command of the BCH, with the appointment of the BCH CC - see paragraph (1)
      (3) Open "Voentorg"
      (4) to disavow the Minsk agreement, since the junta does not comply with it and is not going to comply
      (5) Go to Kiev

      Is any of the above being viewed?
  9. pv1005
    pv1005 8 October 2014 14: 39
    +24
    Or maybe for a start, help your people by lowering the price of energy? Well, then the rest of the crap can be helped for free i.e. for free.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 8 October 2014 18: 23
      0
      So far, we (judging by domestic prices) have preferential pricing / subsidization of exports at the expense of domestic consumers (and it is Mr A. Novak, the Minister of Energy, who is specifically responsible for this)
  10. dummy
    dummy 8 October 2014 14: 40
    +10
    The United States needs Ukraine only as a liquid for ignition. They will force the EU to pay for the shish kebab, but only in such a way that Russia is viewed as Mordor. In the end, as always, it will turn out - we will warm up Ukraine too, and it seems that we will even make concessions, but only the "great ..rs" will hate us even more for this.
  11. Krsk
    Krsk 8 October 2014 14: 40
    +10
    her guys won't do that. frozen Ukraine no one needs? yeah, which means death in the east of ukraine who needs it? or who needs sanctions in Russia? Are you telling us about the brothers again? We are already half a year looking at "relatives" do not need the EU frozen Ukraine? duck warm EPT what's the problem? why don't you even want to listen to these mantras ...
  12. pensioner
    pensioner 8 October 2014 14: 41
    +16
    A friend sat for about a month at Bolshoi Gazprom on an internship. Listened there ... repeat He says that, in fact, the leadership of Gazprom is very determined towards Ukraine. Khakhly in vain hope for some significant concessions. True, there is also politics ...
    1. Anper
      Anper 8 October 2014 15: 23
      +2
      Quote: retired
      Khakhly in vain hope for some significant concessions. True, there is also politics ...

      From western Ukraine, and you know, I have a suspicion that it will be so. In fact: we have hot water all the time (this has never happened before), they repair roads, sidewalks, garbage is cleaned regularly, electricity is uninterrupted. military a, everything is as it was under Janek. Outwardly everything is stable. Except for prices. And so far there is no cold.
      In addition, I clearly remember the long-standing mantras that the population of Ukraine uses exclusively its gas, and the Russian - for the enterprises of the oligarchs.
      1. quote
        quote 8 October 2014 16: 06
        +1
        Anper (2)
        A big request. Indicate the West Region !!!! We will arrange the debate later. When Yanyka, the buck was cheaper and Russia gave 15 lards! How are you now ????? Chernivtsi is talking to you.
        1. Anper
          Anper 8 October 2014 18: 17
          +2
          Big request. Indicate the West !!!
          Exactly. And about prices in my first comment there is a reservation.
    2. bootlegger
      bootlegger 8 October 2014 15: 32
      +2
      They decide little. There is the main shareholder of the Russian Federation (51%) and its representative of GDP. As he says, it will be so.
    3. Basarev
      Basarev 8 October 2014 15: 35
      +4
      First of all, you need to think about the economy! There is nothing more important than economics! And the economy says: Ukraine is not just an unreliable partner. She is a scammer and threw. And which self-respecting businessmen will do business with a swindler? The answer is obvious.
      1. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 8 October 2014 20: 40
        +2
        You write about business, but we are still Russian people! It’s only a pity that the Nazis will use our complaint.
    4. VAF
      VAF 8 October 2014 16: 41
      +3
      Quote: retired
      True, there is also politics ...


      This is the BASIS - that is, POLITICS is primary, and everything else ... of the "pocket Gazprom" and "Rosneft" type ... this is so ... on click ... what I say, and they will do it.

      Quote: retired
      A friend sat for about a month at Bolshoi Gazprom on an internship. Listened there ..


      Well, in the "kitchen" it is always like this. And if even under a glass ... there is only NO STEERING in the kitchen. And even more STEERING! wassat
  13. Kacap0001
    Kacap0001 8 October 2014 14: 42
    -17
    Quote: larand
    Norway already sells dill gas for 340 bucks

    Because not only in the Russian Federation there is gas. It’s cheaper to buy from Scandinavians than from neighbors.
    1. aleks 62
      aleks 62 8 October 2014 15: 36
      +6
      ..... Angles, for example, buy from the Norwegians at 700 shares .... Or is it such a business: bought 700 sold at 340 ????
      1. Tirpitz
        Tirpitz 8 October 2014 16: 49
        +3
        Why not 800? Where did you get such information?
    2. I read the news
      I read the news 8 October 2014 18: 45
      +4
      Do you carry airships?
  14. 75 hammer
    75 hammer 8 October 2014 14: 44
    +10
    MINUS!!! I wanted to discuss the gas problem, so bring up the data on the economic component, and not the icicles in the nose. In our time, the economy is a priority, and who will buy gas from us and whether he loves us or not has nothing to do with it !!! It is clear here that the United States created all this chaos in order, among other things, to disrupt gas trade in Europe. However, one should not forget that it is impossible to lend indefinitely for political reasons, it is considered a weakness, and the weak are not paid. To rewrite the article using the economic component at the forefront, the people will have enough to tell about the "icicles", there, between what Russians also live (endlessly abandoned).
    The United States must be destroyed!
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 8 October 2014 15: 41
      +7
      So I say that there should not be political motives, but there should be truth. And the truth says that no Ukrainians are brothers to us - they kill Russians in New Russia. And the Belarusians, secretly rummaging through MAZs in favor of the puppet government, are not very similar to the brothers. And the Bulgarians are not our bros - in both world wars they took the enemy’s side, and moreover, they recently desecrated the monument to the liberators. And even in the Serbs, I was finally disappointed when I heard their statements about their readiness to join the European Union (and support for sanctions against us). So Russia has neither brothers, nor sisters, nor any other relatives on the whole Earth. There are only swarms of rabid jackals truly wishing for the final and irrevocable death of Russia and its plunder.
      1. Djuma
        Djuma 8 October 2014 19: 59
        +1
        I do not agree with you about the Belarusians. Only one person rumbles there - Luke, as he says - it will be so. However, as with us.

        Have you been in Belarus for a long time? Communicated with the local people?
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 8 October 2014 23: 00
          0
          I personally have never been to Belarus myself, but they say that there are still pro-puppet sentiments, and not slightly. In addition to well-known episodes with trucks, there were rumors about Belarusian volunteer units ready to go to Donbass to fight with militias. And this is a serious question, agree.
  15. Kovlad
    Kovlad 8 October 2014 14: 47
    +14
    The only guaranteed effect of the “winter gas sea” is a new influx of refugees, and not only from the south-east of Ukraine. They, of course, are not a burden to us, family people all the same - but people feel sorry for them.

    Aha, sorry. Only they are different, refugees from Ukraine, there are those who are looking for work, trying to find a job, to do something, trying to survive and not be just a burden. And there is ... Here is a real case in the Kuban, in one of the villages: A grandmother, an ethnic Ukrainian herself, took in a family of refugees from Lugansk (the house is big, the children left to work), after a month of their residence, somehow tactfully tried to ask , they say, how do you think to arrange life? To which she heard the answer: "That's when OURS !!! m.s.k.a.l will be kicked out of Lugansk, we will go home." Here granny, hearing this, got mad, drove this little family out of the hut as fast as they could.
    1. aleks 62
      aleks 62 8 October 2014 15: 53
      +4
      The only guaranteed effect of the “winter gas sea” is a new influx of refugees, and not only from the south-east of Ukraine. They, of course, are not a burden to us, family people all the same - but people feel sorry for them.
      ...... A small remark ..... When the bombing of Donbas began, a stream of "refugees" poured into Crimea ... From ALL Ukraine, even from Western ... The authorities soon made a wise decision that the status to give refugees ONLY to residents of Lugansk and Donetsk regions ... Others (jumping and complaining about the lack of armored vehicles and cartridges) residents of Nezalezhnaya Pushcha jump around their place of residence ... With all the ensuing consequences ... I think it will be fair ... hi
  16. RUSSIA 2013
    RUSSIA 2013 8 October 2014 14: 47
    0
    Quote: Abbra
    All this nonsense. Restraining emotions, I consider only one thing: pay for gas and make it look good. Everything is very simple.

    Yes, of course, everything is true, but they are unlikely to pay, so wait and see, the most interesting is ahead.
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 8 October 2014 14: 51
      +5
      I admit honestly that I have little meaning, but if I were Putin, I would have reset all gas tariffs for Russians for three months. Schaub the good did not disappear)))
      1. 406ppm2gv
        406ppm2gv 8 October 2014 20: 27
        0
        Abbra
        - naivety.
      2. 406ppm2gv
        406ppm2gv 8 October 2014 20: 27
        0
        Abbra
        - naivety.
  17. Severomor
    Severomor 8 October 2014 14: 58
    +6
    What is a cold weather?
    Do not forget the system - oligarchic capitalism.
    Do not forget about 300% of the profit.
  18. gunya
    gunya 8 October 2014 15: 00
    +5
    Quote: Kacap0001
    Quote: larand
    Norway already sells dill gas for 340 bucks

    Because not only in the Russian Federation there is gas. It’s cheaper to buy from Scandinavians than from neighbors.

    You can buy it, but how to deliver? Will they carry the buckets?
  19. stas-xnumx
    stas-xnumx 8 October 2014 15: 03
    +1
    I really want to punish the goats, but those who are not with them will also suffer unpunished, and Odessa will slip past them and the Donbass, etc. I do not believe that someone will bear the answer there. It won’t carry ...
  20. tol100v
    tol100v 8 October 2014 15: 03
    +1
    It is difficult to give comments without knowing the whole ins and outs. Yu-V cannot be left without heat! But how to do this is only a technical issue. But with the rest of dill, you need to think. Debts are not repaid. Prepayment is not visible. Yes and no prepayment money! If the West pays, it’s only for itself and according to the Hamburg account! After all, no one will ever pay for idiots!
  21. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 8 October 2014 15: 04
    +4
    Gas must be sold and sold for rubles!!! Yes, by the way, the EU is going to compensate us for the damage caused by THEIR SANCTIONS - OUR economy ?!
    1. sledgehammer
      sledgehammer 8 October 2014 15: 39
      -4
      Quote: Tatar 174
      sell for rubles !!

      They write a lot about this, but I have a question - where will the buyer take the rubles, what would they pay for the gas? An interesting question, is not it? wassat no one thought about this?
      here we’ll take any country that we decided to sell gas not for dollars or euros, but for rubles. For example, Germany, Germany has euros, but we tell them we don’t need euros, we will sell only for rubles. Where will Germany take rubles? Interestingly, yes, that is, Germany takes and buys first rubles in the Central Bank of Russia, it naturally buys for euros (well, let it be for dollars, at least for tugriks), then it pays for these rubles for gas? US No. 2?
      Well, maybe I don’t understand something, then explain where Germany, France or Japan will take rubles ??? only Russia prints rubles as we all know, so where to get them to other countries to pay for gas with us? wassat
      where to get rubles wassat
      1. sledgehammer
        sledgehammer 8 October 2014 17: 37
        +2
        there is at least one clever here, just answer my question about where to get rubles to a foreign state, so that I can buy gas in Russia for these rubles. I can stupidly minus it too.
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 8 October 2014 18: 39
          +4
          open two accounts with a Russian bank (ex VTB) (ruble and foreign currency). Transfer through SWIFT (from which mattress mats and small shaves want to disconnect Russian banks, but so far SWIFT is abiding and holding on) from the account of a German bank to the currency account of VTB the amount of payment in foreign currency. To issue a "application for the sale of currency", VTB will transfer the amount from currency to rubles (at the rate of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation), write off the currency amount from the currency account, and credit the amount in rubles to the ruble account. Then the amount in rubles is transferred to the ruble account of OJSC GAZProm.
          Or register on the MICEX and stupidly buy the required amount of rubles (the same sale of currency, only the rate is already arbitrary - since it is "market")
        2. I read the news
          I read the news 8 October 2014 18: 49
          +2
          Let them sell for rubles something you need.
        3. Djuma
          Djuma 8 October 2014 20: 16
          0
          Yes already answered, read.
      2. Djuma
        Djuma 8 October 2014 20: 14
        +2
        They taught economics at school, but forgot everything? Does the name "Forex" mean anything?

        In essence, the Forex currency market is the aggregate of all operations performed by its participants (banks, exchanges, funds, investment, brokerage and foreign trade companies, as well as private individuals - traders) regarding the exchange of any currency. Every second, thousands of transactions are made on the Forex currency market in order to bring profit to its participants.

        Germany has a ton of ways to get rubles:
        1. Buy them on world currency exchanges.
        2. Sell their goods and services in the Russian Federation for rubles, and then resell them on the domestic currency exchange to those who buy oil, gas and other goods in the Russian Federation.
        3. Sell your goods and services to countries trading with the Russian Federation for rubles (as we do now, for example, with the same outskirts for dollars), and then sell them on an internal exchange.

        And so on and so forth. And since in the foreseeable future everyone will always need gas and oil a lot - our currency will be in great demand, only political will is needed. By the way, there is already an agreement with China on trade for rubles and yuan, so the first step has been taken.
  22. provincial
    provincial 8 October 2014 15: 07
    +7
    It didn’t surprise anyone. Fraternal fascist people, there are fraternal people. But then they will remove three skins from their own population in all directions. Do not go to a fortuneteller.
  23. spiriolla-45
    spiriolla-45 8 October 2014 15: 09
    +1
    Quote: yu-xnumx
    No gas. No negotiations with the Kiev riffraff. No concessions to anyone. Crush, crush and crush this trash again.
    The gut is too thin to crush. As in April they did it, so it will be in October. Putin is cowardly to do something. If something was done, then he was not there at that moment, he sat out at the Olympiads. And what is convenient, if something is wrong, then: "I was not there."
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 8 October 2014 18: 42
      +1
      So you think that "polite people in the Crimean referendum" is "S.K.Shoigu's personal initiative"?
  24. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 8 October 2014 15: 17
    +5
    I wish your tongue turned to blame someone! What the fuck ... gas, what trade, what refugees? This is a hostile regime, they need to block everything, so that neither a gram nor a ruble goes in and out. All that is to the west of the zone of the atom, are not refugees, those who despise the Ukrainian. passports to x ... th. These are not emotions, this is common sense. Hostile mode - there is a hostile one!
  25. Hellraiser
    Hellraiser 8 October 2014 15: 17
    +5
    Yeah, Gazprom didn’t reset it. It wouldn’t add at the expense of dill. crying
  26. s30461
    s30461 8 October 2014 15: 18
    +4
    Quote: pv1005
    Or maybe for a start, help your people by lowering the price of energy? Well, then the rest of the crap can be helped for free i.e. for free.

    Nope! Looks like Gazprom will solve all problems at the expense of Russian citizens, and not knock debts out of the Ruins. What kind of negotiations can there be with the Nazis ??? Or were they different people when they started Maidan and gov .. I apologize - they poured slops on Russia ??? Or the destroyed and raped Southeast is not their handiwork, but aliens from the galaxy "Ye.B.nko 2014" ???
    Each concession on the part of Russia is perceived only as weakness and makes Ukrainians want to get even more. No gas until only the territory of the Galichina is left from the Ruins.
  27. pravednik
    pravednik 8 October 2014 15: 21
    +8
    This article just hangs noodles on the ears of the people. The author would say right away: let the Russians pump gas to the outskirts just for nothing. And you pay them. In general, why then did you have to stop pumping gas to dill? Well, they don’t want to pay and that's it. And you Super thought: Why can the Russians who produce this gas turn off the gas for not paying, but not in the outskirts? A store without money and bread will not be given.
  28. Vend
    Vend 8 October 2014 15: 23
    -1
    They are just trying to accustom Ukraine to pay. For gas, for a loan. Learn to be adequate. Because this is the only way to maintain territorial integrity. The question is, is this integrity necessary? Russia needs a country Novorossiya, loyal to Russia. The United States needs an unstable territory to tense the situation in Russia. The EU needs to make Ukraine submissive to European rules. And the EU’s second plan is dividing Ukraine to return territories to some countries and create New Russia, which will be a stable transit country for Russian gas.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 8 October 2014 18: 45
      0
      Everything is wonderful, but only Baba Yaga (Washington) - against
  29. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 8 October 2014 15: 23
    +5
    It’s like a word should be kept. Nobody pulled a tongue, that only an advance payment. And this is not Gazprom’s private business, but a matter of the country's honor, its reputation. If we want to listen to us, we must firmly defend our position (go to the end). And if we want to get hold of faithful allies --- not to betray whom they promised protection. It’s just that if we give a loan, then the world will think not about the nobility of Russia, but that its word is not ironic. This is a very serious moment, and very difficult for our entire country (if you understand that in Ukraine now it’s not fights of local importance, but reconnaissance by the battle of our Defense (in the state sense)). And the Cold War did not end. And the gas decision is hard to accept or voice if already taken.
    if we could prepare the ground for a new Ukrainian revolution in advance, that is, to do all that gigantic organizational work, which in the “X-hour” would allow us to direct popular anger against the current government and replace it with a government loyal to us. But we have neither our applicants for this role, nor the underground revolutionary infrastructure, nor the free resources, nor the time to organize all this.
    Eh, falcons, how many years did you have to establish relations, create solid ground for pro-Russian parties, strengthen military cooperation, gas wars only every year. And what did Zurabov do there? And should he have been there? Didn’t work in Ukraine. And the special services blinked. One must somehow act politically wise and at the same time not forget that the confrontation with the United States has not gone away. And even if America loosens the pressure, you need to look forward, which can threaten in the near future.
  30. Gardamir
    Gardamir 8 October 2014 15: 27
    +8
    And how many residents of Russia live without gas. I remember the Yeltsin years we were transported gas in cylinders, and so we sat without gas for 2 weeks. But the news proudly told how they extended the gas pipeline to Germany.
    That's right, you need to give gas to Ukraine, otherwise they will freeze and not be able to kill the inhabitants of Donbass.
  31. Kacap0001
    Kacap0001 8 October 2014 15: 27
    -11
    Quote: s30461
    Or the destroyed and raped South-East is not their handiwork, but aliens from the galaxy "Ye.b.nko 2014" ???

    Was it not the "militias" who were laughing like drunken horses when they were filming a video about blowing up bridges? So that the "dill" supposedly does not get to them, although it is a matter of a couple of hours to bring the pontoon?
  32. sledgehammer
    sledgehammer 8 October 2014 15: 27
    +2
    I remember Yarosh threatened to blow up one of the GTS branches, well? honestly, they would have blown up a long time if you wanted to, in such a mess it’s easier to do this, judging by the map a lot of pipes go through the Lugansk region, but the main branch enters the Sumy region, Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod ..
    Yarosh is full of militants who will carry out any order, and they have enough weapons. But in fact, all these - we will blow up, we will capture, just PR and blackmail, which in reality they will not carry out.
  33. cosmos132
    cosmos132 8 October 2014 15: 30
    0
    And if we were not allowed to see how they punish him with the power of Russian military weapons, then we should do this at least with economic power. To have icicles from their nose sprinkled.

    The punitive Russian army will not be. Gas will be supplied, even at a loss to itself. The more sold, the more tax, the better .....
  34. alikalik
    alikalik 8 October 2014 15: 30
    +4
    VV Zhir was right about this once, they will bend over and over. From Ukraine, nothing is needed at the moment. You are the seller, they are buyers. I named the delivery terms, agreed the price and that's it. What else is needed. There will be money, there will be gas .And the Ukrainians paid 3 rubles 50 kopecks per cubic meter, and the Russians 5 rubles. This is that 11 billion US dollars were simply given to the Kiev authorities and, in gratitude, they still manage to do all sorts of nasty things about you. It turns out that the price tags for products were raised domestically, to feed the enemy. So it won’t work. Once declared himself a great nation, hold on to this brand. And do not bend under any rubbish. Learn from the Middle Kingdom.
  35. zol1
    zol1 8 October 2014 15: 33
    +4
    And the fact that at the same time they will hate us, so much more than now.


    According to a survey, more than 70% of ukrov hate Russia and blame it for all their troubles! And much more then?

    The author would say right away: let the Russians pump gas for the outskirts just for nothing. And you will pay for them


    Actually, progress towards this is already underway, at least in our industry (which has nothing to do with the gas pipe) has already made it clear that due to the "losses" there will be no additional (bonus) payments to salaries. How much further then?
  36. Denis fj
    Denis fj 8 October 2014 15: 34
    +7
    Eprst, as if the Russians are jumping and shouting "the crest on the rack!", No? Enough. No matter how we paint E. Super peaceful pictures, they say, "we will melt the hearts of Ukrainians with our peacefulness and mercy" - hell. there is nothing to melt there. Neither gas nor wood. Emotions? Let emotions, but, damn it, nafig. How much can you tolerate? How much can you lay? how much can you ignore the opinion of the population? I believe that no concessions, no freebies will cure the brains of these people. It is simply not to notice this country with its problems, which the local authorities themselves have arranged. Everything, there is none. Fuck with you, dear Poroshenko, Timoshenko and so on. Forget that there is such a country - Russia, forget that it once helped you, forget and buy gas and so on in the EU, where you were so eager to do so. As in the joke again:

    "Vasily Ivanovich, what is glasnost? - And this, Petka, when you can talk about me and Furmanov whatever you want and nothing will come to you for it - not a horse, not a saber, not a new cloak."

    I don’t know about the other commentators, but I’ve already gorged on a "peace-loving" position. We will not bring in troops, but we will not allow to eat from our table, throwing dirty hooves on it at the same time, and even more so to ride with slogans on a white tablecloth. Zadolbali.
    1. krivdaSPb
      krivdaSPb 8 October 2014 21: 55
      +1
      Awful I liked your last paragraph :)))
  37. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 8 October 2014 15: 36
    -4
    Well, would we introduce troops immediately after obtaining permission from the Federation Council, there would be a result. Svidomo or would have fled to the west or gone to the caches. But this would not bring peace. Would get the support of the majority, but a powerful underground inside. No one knows how this would end.
    So it is with gas. It is difficult to calculate whether or not to give, that is the question. Moreover, the West has already been mobilized.
  38. Gelos
    Gelos 8 October 2014 15: 43
    +6
    Well, what the hell !! They scare them all the time with refugees. They are refugees, our Russians! And that, 15-20 million Chuchmeks were accepted even and not only in the form of guest workers - and nothing! Moscow as Babylon became - "and what?" All live and do not particularly grieve. Because they work. They work both for themselves and for Russia with the "Daragim Rasiyans".
    And then the Russians are going! For God's sake! The country is fucked up, it can take another 200 million. Only the main thing to do: do not rub what is allocated to refugees and give them work. And - your mother !!! - CONTROL!! For all the nits-regulators.
    And then the whole Ruin will be depopulated. They will remain bandits and loafers such as pravosekov and "Svidomo". They will have to take the pick in their hands. Because the hard workers will go to Mother Russia.
    It is, of course, a holy place is never empty: "our partners" will also stick to UKRuina. But even this pedagogue will have no one to build and revive something. Even their military bases ... Huh, it's even gone ... But the main idea is that some kind of scares the Russians with their own Russian refugee brothers. The sixth column is awake. And the fifth is already cut off.
  39. Stinger
    Stinger 8 October 2014 15: 44
    +5
    Money versus chairs. And the point. EU loves them very much, let him prove his love by paying their debts. And again they offer us to pay their debts and wipe ourselves off from sanctions. Guys, maybe stop it. Firstly, due to sanctions in January, we will have difficulties servicing gas pipelines and we will have to stop pumping stations. Secondly, to prevent this from happening, it is necessary not later than November 15 to raise the price for consumers in the EU 2 (times).
  40. RUSS
    RUSS 8 October 2014 15: 48
    +7
    Remember it was - "Putin inject wax" - the whole Internet was buzzing, then they explained "popularly" that it was bad and everyone agreed that it was not necessary to introduce it, we will also get angry now, and then they will convince us that gas must be delivered desperately and at a discount " brotherly people ". hi
  41. rom8726
    rom8726 8 October 2014 15: 50
    -2
    All the same, it is necessary to give gas, because gas goes to Crimea through Ukraine.
    1. sledgehammer
      sledgehammer 8 October 2014 17: 42
      +1
      it’s possible to lay a pipe through the Kerch Strait, there’s not a great distance for water. I’ll think it will be done in the future, maybe they’re already preparing a project, they just don’t advertise it for the media, so that they don’t get balamute.
  42. navara399
    navara399 8 October 2014 15: 59
    +7
    Imagine that the gas belongs to you and the question depends on you ... I would not give them gas.
    1. alien50
      alien50 8 October 2014 17: 01
      +1
      + 100500!
      Fuck them for all the makeup, not gas!
  43. Alexashka
    Alexashka 8 October 2014 16: 15
    +5
    I do not want to pay heat from my pocket for goats that spit in my direction so that they later blow their nose on me. When in the family the son of a drunkard sits on the neck of elderly parents, he is weaned from the table and driven out of the house into an independent life. We try to always look like good uncles and chop the tail of a cat into pieces. X .. im across the brazen face, not a freebie!
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 8 October 2014 17: 17
      +1
      Quote: Alexashka
      I don’t want to pay heat for goats from my pocket,


      And you will have to pay - and as it has historically happened, many in our village will have to stock up on firewood, coal and wait for "adequate" payments for electricity ...
  44. Ishinomaki lie
    Ishinomaki lie 8 October 2014 16: 17
    0
    The bells are knocking again
    Over the homeland of Ukrainians.
    A rumble is heard from the burners.
    There is no gas - there will be a boom.
  45. Zomanus
    Zomanus 8 October 2014 16: 18
    0
    The article is interesting. In general, I already wrote in the comments that in the case of a chill, all Ukrainians will rush to warm us. At the same time cursing us. In fact, we do not need a revolution and the overthrow of power in the Ruin. We benefit from the collapse of the ruins in the controlled territory. Oh, which we will provide ... I think that Russia is striving for this through negotiations. The ruin will crack and fall apart from an internal impulse.
  46. Davydov
    Davydov 8 October 2014 16: 20
    +1
    Don’t give gas to the creatures (especially at a low price), let them freeze! Let’s give gas they will understand that we can continue to milk us! They want to go to Geyropa, let them ask for loot! And according to the full program, to tear them, we all know that Gazprom requests - that a black hole, let them pull from them!
    They break off all ties with us, and we give them gas, full payment of debt and then gas!
  47. Turkir
    Turkir 8 October 2014 16: 22
    +4
    Can us stop paying for gas?
    And then advertising "Gazprom" convinces me that - "Gazprom is OUR property"
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    2. a.hamster55
      a.hamster55 8 October 2014 16: 46
      -1
      Put on a WHITE TAPE and not pay. Patriot You however ... Come at least to see how We are given this NATIONAL DIGNITY!
  48. Gypsy girl
    Gypsy girl 8 October 2014 16: 25
    +1
    They will give gas or not, all the same for Russia’s horses, it’ll be extreme ...
  49. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 8 October 2014 16: 27
    +2
    Uncles from Russia, give us gas, and we will give you money for this ... Give the author a bag of peas, a hose, a reducer and send it as humanitarian aid to Zdolbunov.
  50. zen-do.ru
    zen-do.ru 8 October 2014 16: 28
    +1
    Everything will be found: both the strength and the means for the revolution. Ask guys in the Donbass.