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"Government of confusion"

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"Government of confusion"


Dear readers! If you have not yet fastened your seat belts, then do it immediately - the Russian economy, without having left the zone of turbulence, is preparing for a decline. The best we can count on with the current liberal crew is a soft landing, but there are no guarantees. The bad news that the crew never landed a plane. While the pilots are experimenting with buttons and levers, we have time to talk about why this happened and how to proceed.

... I don’t know about yours, but my “Russia Calling” forum in St. Petersburg caused depressing feelings. As I understand it, not only I have one. This is despite the fact that his task was just the opposite - to advertise Russia as a country of great opportunities and brilliant prospects. The forum itself on the composition of the speakers and the theses voiced by them was not much different from previous ones, and indeed from all similar events - from the “Gaidar Forum” to the prime minister’s reports to the State Duma. This worries most of all - the world is changing, and the consciousness of the managers of our economy is not.

But the main problem, which was most clearly manifested in the forum, and in general in the actions and rhetoric of power in recent times, is the growing wave of contradictions. I will list some of them and warn you that it may hurt you when reading:

- Vladimir Putin, on the one hand, had previously set a complex task before the government, known as the “May Decrees,” but on the other hand, they were not binding. At first they were quietly sabotaged, and now with the draft budget submitted for 2015 – 17. actually merged into the scrap in terms of the growth rate of salaries of state employees;

- The elite, repeatedly warned about the insecurity of owning property abroad, is trying to push the law “on compensating Russians for losses incurred abroad at the expense of the budget,” the president is still silent;

- The government, which has been claiming that the root of all the ills of Russia in the lack of investment, which follows from the lack of predictability, is doing everything possible to destroy this predictability. It then fundamentally changes the tax legislation in the oil sector, it creates something incomprehensible with pension funds, it expels people from small businesses, it calls them back, it declares the need to impose a sales tax, then cancels the need, it declares the ridiculousness of sanctions, then (as in this forum) talks about the enormous damage from their actions, and so on.

This is not to mention simpler movements, such as having fun with the transition or cancellation of the transition to winter time, the proposal to return the alcohol to the stalls and the parallel proposal to sell alcohol-containing tinctures in pharmacies according to prescriptions (guess who the author is) and the like.

At the same time, the government outwardly continues to demonstrate adherence to liberal dogmas, but in fact it is not able to withstand any, even if liberal, course at all, shy away from side to side. It got to the point that at the Russia Calling Forum, Sberbank head German Gref almost directly points to the professional incompetence of his like-minded people from the government. Speaking about the reasons for the collapse of the USSR, he said: “There is one key reason that caused all the rest. This is a tremendous incompetence of the Soviet leadership. And first of all in the field of economics. They did not respect the laws of economic development. I will say even more: they did not know them. They were happy people, did not observe what they did not know. In the end, it caught up with them. It is very important for us to do our homework stories. We should not allow the same situation. ”

It is believed that all of the above - signs of great confusion. Knowledge and deep respect for the laws of economics, contrary to G. Gref, do not solve problems by themselves in the absence of competence. Why is that? Because this government was not intended to act in the current situation. He was destined to years of sluggish work in conditions of stable oil prices and Middle Eastern wars, blazing "somewhere far away." It knew how to work at the growth rate of GDP in 5%, but does not know how to keep the indicator from falling into a minus. It was ready to accept foreign investment, but does not know how to respond to sanctions. And so on. The government in the current ultra-liberal composition cannot understand and accept the challenge that fate has thrown to our country. All that it wants is to quickly play the situation back, get rid of sanctions and return to the usual mode of operation. And this is possible, but - only if we admit our defeat and voluntarily give up the given historical chance.

So maybe, well, it is the government? To dump an incompetent crew overboard of history and transfer the steering wheel to the strong professional hands of people who are not afraid of changes and chances. Easy, if only to know where to find them. So far, we do not even have applicants for the steering wheel, so that you can select the most sane among them. There is no competition for alternative development programs, there is no image of the future, there are no personnel capable of not only embodying this image, but even formulating it.

In this situation, it remains only to deeply sympathize with those who are forced to deal with "what is", taking the blows for the lack of talent of "what is" and taking back their promises in order to at least somehow align the path of decline.
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  1. DRA-88
    DRA-88 7 October 2014 14: 04
    +36
    We ask the "liberal crew" to leave the salon!
    Or the "passengers" will be forced to hijack the plane!
    1. makst83
      makst83 7 October 2014 14: 11
      +7
      Such "forums" have always put me into a stupor ... some former "types" think of themselves as saviors and competent citizens and have the right to speak for everyone !!!

      Chase me at the machine gun and at the cartridges, I'll shoot them all, I have already set goals!
      1. Buran
        Buran 7 October 2014 14: 32
        +12
        Chase me at the machine gun and at the cartridges, I'll shoot them all, I have already set goals!


        Make money. And we will donate to Donbass. soldier
      2. Cenij150814
        Cenij150814 7 October 2014 15: 29
        +4
        Quote: makst83
        Chase me at the machine gun and at the cartridges, I'll shoot them all, I have already set goals!

        Dear where to throw off, please account!
        1. Buran
          Buran 7 October 2014 15: 34
          +3
          ----- soldier ------
          1. Cenij150814
            Cenij150814 7 October 2014 17: 38
            0
            Dear Buran, it seems to me that this is a "non-target" account, or rather for the wrong purposes lol
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 7 October 2014 14: 13
      +24
      eh, to get to power ... rolling up your sleeves ...
      To kick them in the sweetness would be ... they didn’t swing, so that they were right ...
      give them the pensions of the people ... let them try to live ...
      And in hospitals for the people ... they should be put ...
      let them know what ... medicine is for people ...
      and collect them to the heap,
      political stars ... would send everyone to the island,
      so deserted that he was ... then the deputies would ...
      would moderate the ardor ... With a consumer basket ...
      To send them to the bazaar ... Let them think there a penny ...
      To buy something to devour ... To give working salaries ...
      Those who want to hug ... Cry bitterly and angrily ...
      Remembering their life ... mother fellow
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      2. larand
        larand 7 October 2014 16: 02
        +20
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        eh, to get to power ... rolling up your sleeves ...
        To kick them in the sweetness would be ... they didn’t swing, so that they were right ...
        give them the pensions of the people ... let them try to live ...

        You are right in the Soviet argument. But capitalism, however, unconditionally defeated the planet after the assassination of the Soviet Union. Russian capitalism has always been distinguished by a disregard for the economy. The main thing is to grab, then gypsies, then champagne horses. And the capitalism of the Russian Federation grew up on the theft of tidbits of the former public property. And the capitalists of the Russian Federation are not concerned about the problems of the country and the plebs, but the drop in engine power on their own half-kilometer yacht, the peeling off piece of enamel on a Faberge egg, which football team to buy, etc. So it’s not up to them. And the government is appropriate. After all, it was delivered by the capitalists who selected this particular staff. And others will not be allowed to power so that the bills are not taken away. yachts, eggs, teams.
        1. lidiy
          lidiy 8 October 2014 01: 57
          +4
          It got to the point that the head of Sberbank German Gref almost directly points to the professional incompetence of his associates from the government at the Russia Calling forum. Speaking about the reasons for the collapse of the USSR, he said: “There is one key reason that caused all the others. This is the stunning incompetence of the Soviet leadership. And primarily in the field of economics. They did not respect the laws of economic development. I will say even more: they did not know them. They were happy people, did not observe what they did not know. In the end, it caught up with them. It is very important for us to make lessons from our own history. We cannot be allowed to face the same situation. ”
          What a bastard this Gref. He dares to condemn the Soviet leadership. And what has he created over the years with his team, what could Russia be proud of?
          "Over the past 25 years, $ 2-2,5 trillion has been exported from Russia, which is 120% of the country's GDP." This incompetent Soviet leadership created such capital that they have been stealing for 25 years and will not plunder the country in any way.
          1. DRA-88
            DRA-88 8 October 2014 04: 07
            0
            Quote: lidiy
            It got to the point that the head of Sberbank German Gref almost directly points to the professional incompetence of his associates from the government at the Russia Calling forum.

            You very accurately stated everything! To you +
    3. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 7 October 2014 14: 23
      +3
      This is not to mention simpler movements, such as fun with the transition or cancellation of the transition to winter time, a proposal to return alcohol to stalls and a parallel proposal to sell alcohol-containing tinctures in pharmacies according to prescriptions guess who the author is?

      Of course, DIMON.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 October 2014 14: 32
        0
        Quote: subbtin.725
        Of course, DIMON.

        As for the tinctures, I agree, they need to be sold only by prescription.
        As for the stalls, it’s the same thing. I don’t have to go for a joke 20 minutes to a nearby store. At night, yes, it’s not worth selling, but let them sell during the day.
        1. Juborg
          Juborg 7 October 2014 15: 03
          +14
          It’s not at all a matter of a bubble around the corner Alexander, the thing is the stubborn, stubborn reluctance of the business to turn to 1/6 of the land, to give up today their interests and part of the profit, in order to acquire more later. The saddest thing about this salad is that the money goes beyond the borders of Russia, sometimes not even laundered, not invested in the development of the country, but simply stolen, sawn. Yes, I completely agree that the government is not doing what it needs, it is necessary to create favorable conditions for business, the development of production, etc., and not to fight during the summer and winter, raise taxes and allow banks to raise interest rates that receive already super profits from the air (and the state bribe in comparison with this robbery of tears!).
          1. andrew42
            andrew42 7 October 2014 15: 58
            +4
            "the stubborn unwillingness of business to turn its face to 1/6 of the land, to give up its interests and part of its profits today, in order to acquire more." - GOLD WORDS!
        2. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
          Mihaylo Tishayshiy 7 October 2014 16: 33
          +7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          As for the tinctures, I agree, they need to be sold only by prescription.

          In early spring, our family drinks Echinacea tincture to strengthen the immune system, so as not to run around the doctors. You and the authors of the law suggest that our whole family rush to the clinic to see doctors (creating an unnecessary queue) so that we will be prescribed drops that are needed so as not to run to doctors. What's the catch? And the joke is that instead of our "Echinacea" we will be discharged imported "Immunal" (ten times more expensive), instead of "Valerian" - "Nottu", etc., etc. It's just that the authors of the law decided to move our pharmaceutical manufacturers in favor of foreign ones (what do you think, "for dorm"?)
    4. aleks 62
      aleks 62 7 October 2014 15: 00
      -10
      I read it .... Well, right ".... chief !!! Everything is gone. Everything is gone ... !!!!" belay ..... Another squeak of liberals .... laughing
    5. Giant thought
      Giant thought 7 October 2014 15: 15
      +11
      The liberal government of Medvedev, being the stronghold of the fifth column, is slowly and steadily pulling Russia into economic collapse.
    6. kostik1301
      kostik1301 7 October 2014 17: 37
      -2
      Pilot of GDP in the same direction where the government stomps-to the dustbin of history .......
    7. ne-serzh
      ne-serzh 7 October 2014 17: 59
      +3
      It all starts. 5 column activated (( am Be careful not to see such provocations. angry And then we will soon be in cold and hunger like in Ukraine. THIS is at best. soldier
    8. spiriolla-45
      spiriolla-45 8 October 2014 10: 23
      -1
      The ship’s commander is cowardly, it’s better on autopilot to slowly take the same course, the course is on reboot i.e. Monkey ass will soon lick, according to an old habit.
  2. Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson 7 October 2014 14: 05
    +12
    I read it two times. Understood nothing.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 7 October 2014 14: 07
      +7
      Quote: Alex_Popovson
      I read it two times. Understood nothing.

      The same garbage ... recourse
      1. DRA-88
        DRA-88 7 October 2014 14: 14
        +6
        Quote: retired
        The same garbage ...

        It is difficult to understand such garbage without ukropovsky tobacco, but it is almost impossible without a glass! what
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 7 October 2014 14: 15
          +9
          Quote: DRA-88
          ... but without a glass it is almost impossible!

          Instigator... recourse
          1. DRA-88
            DRA-88 7 October 2014 14: 20
            +4
            Quote: retired
            Instigator..

            HER smile COMPETENT !!!
        2. Lelek
          Lelek 7 October 2014 23: 35
          +2
          Quote: DRA-88
          and without a glass it’s almost impossible


          Provoke naughty. bully
      2. vorobey
        vorobey 7 October 2014 14: 19
        +7
        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        In this situation, it remains only to deeply sympathize with the one who is forced to deal with "what is", taking on the blows for the mediocrity of "what is" and taking back his promises in order to at least somehow align the path of decline

        Quote: retired
        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        I read it two times. Understood nothing.

        The same garbage ... recourse



        we go into manual control ... and follow the change of ministers ...
        1. Oleg Sobol
          Oleg Sobol 7 October 2014 14: 25
          +4
          Quote: vorobey
          we go into manual control ... and follow the change of ministers ...

          Do you think there will be shifts? Something I'm putting on ...
          Hi Sash hi
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 October 2014 14: 34
            +2
            Quote: Oleg Sobol
            Do you think there will be shifts?

            Yes, Oleg, they will work hard at each plant in three shifts, as before. Sooner or later it will be so.
            Hello to all hi
            1. Oleg Sobol
              Oleg Sobol 7 October 2014 14: 43
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              each plant will work in three shifts, as before. Sooner or later it will be.

              It’s better to not be too late.
              Hi Sasha hi
            2. Juborg
              Juborg 7 October 2014 15: 13
              +2
              Today I just read in the news feed about the proposal of some deputies of the State Duma, about the introduction of a four-day working week. This is about the three-shift work of enterprises and the economic recovery of Russia. It turns out that people want to relax, and not work, or is the State Duma thinking so or wants it ?!
              1. Lelek
                Lelek 7 October 2014 23: 38
                +1
                Quote: juborg
                proposal of some deputies of the State Duma on the introduction of a four-day working week


                With a 10-hour working day, at the end of which you will remember your mother and barely wolf legs.
      3. Scoun
        Scoun 7 October 2014 14: 44
        +8
        Quote: retired
        The same garbage ...

        Good day senior citizen.
        There is such a hassle.
        - Repeatedly warned about the insecurity of owning property abroad the elite is trying to push through the law "on compensation to Russians for losses incurred abroad due to the budget",

        our so-called "elite", including officials, do not heed the president's voice and do not withdraw their "assets" from abroad and in place of this they are trying to push a law on compensation for themselves, otherwise the case will not work out.

        the president is still silent;

        Well, some are annoyed when the GDP is "silent", because when it starts to speak for many it can be painful.

        But the most disgusting thing is that in these "elites" and "government" there are people from the "golden calf" and in large enough numbers to prevent the implementation of certain undertakings that may threaten their business
        - The government, which claims for a year that the root of all Russia's ills is the lack of investment, which results from insufficient predictability, is doing everything possible to destroy this predictability. It either fundamentally changes tax legislation in the oil sector, it does something incomprehensible with pension funds, it expels people from small businesses, it calls them back, it declares the need to introduce a sales tax, it cancels such a need, it declares ridiculous sanctions, then (as in this forum) talks about the enormous damage from their actions and so on.

        What is the performance of a gavnyuk Ulyukaev alone worth what ?! He voiced about the following.
        - in the world there are two camps of conservatives and the type of liberals, conservatives say no "we don't need new inventions, we can burn out" and the Libers, on the contrary, say - let's try to build a new scheme and try to do everything according to a different principle! and then there are risks that you can try but not the fact that it will work out. and accordingly his genius gave Ulyukaev - it is necessary to cut spending on 1. education. 2. for health care. 3. social program 4. pension .... that is, this liberal parasite gives out for something new its frank desire to parasitize at the expense of citizens and such gamblers as Mr. Ulyukaev, unfortunately, are still very many and they feel quite confident since behind their backs are not only our traitors in the form of the 5th column, but also all Euro-American liberalism. That's something like this, here the author is panicking a bit, but IMHA is too early for a panic, but the situation situation was alarming and in the current conditions it was also dangerous.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 7 October 2014 14: 59
          +2
          Thanks for the interpretation. hi
          1. Scoun
            Scoun 7 October 2014 15: 08
            +4
            Quote: retired
            Thanks for the interpretation. hi

            Yes, the interpreter is disgusting from me))) but the fact that the whole shushera is trying to do his own thing under the guise of it is for us and you don’t need to go to the grandmother. )))

            It's just that I myself observe how what they allegedly want does not fit together and how they try to launch "trial balloons" in order to probe public opinion, whether the topic will roll or not, such as raising taxes or cutting other expenditures that directly affect ordinary citizens.
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 7 October 2014 15: 28
              +2
              Quote: Scoun
              the topic will ride or not, such as raising taxes or cutting other items of expenditure that directly affect ordinary citizens.

              In this regard, I would like to ask about a Khaklam discount of 100 bucks for 1000 cubic meters of gas due to customs duties. ETOGES taxes, if I understand correctly. It’s true that I’m an economist ... But let's not talk about sad things ...
              Those. to give up profits to shareholders does not give a feeling of dissatisfaction or something ...
      4. smile
        smile 7 October 2014 14: 59
        +3
        pensioner
        Hello, Jura!
        But what is there to understand - the whole article is a selection of standard demagogy of fighters with bad Power (well, those who were frozen on Bolotnaya) with rare intersperses of truth - to gain the reader’s trust. The goal of demagogic fog is to powder our brains. And the whole point of the article - the second paragraph below - is to send the current government overboard the history. All. The standard tactics of the prefab hodgepodge, which use different rhetoric - from superliberal to ultranacic, and rhetoric is absolutely not important and changes regularly. One thing remains unshakable - we need to arrange a Maidan with us, change the Power, and all of us will have Happiness ... out, Ukrainian neighbors are already eating that Happiness with a full spoon, it doesn’t fit into your mouth ... corpses do not have time to bury ..... they prosper in in general ... you see, the author is jealous ...
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 7 October 2014 15: 17
          +2
          Hi Vova! drinks
          Quote: smile
          whole article - a selection of standard demagogy

          Don't tell me ... I get the impression that, sitting at my workplace and doing some kind of daily work, I can easily write about a dozen articles of the same depth. The Internet is an indispensable thing, but the level of Internet work on any topic only greatly upsets. With rare exceptions. Lightness is perhaps the word that I can use to describe the vast majority of articles from the Internet. And the "experts" got divorced ... Do not count ...
          Quote: smile
          the second paragraph below is to send the current regime overboard.
          But this I did not immediately notice ... sad
      5. iConst
        iConst 7 October 2014 15: 26
        +1
        Quote: retired
        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        I read it two times. Understood nothing.

        The same garbage ... recourse

        The author revels in his own elaborate phrases. I do not like such articles - the selfish egoist cannot do anything.
      6. Normal
        Normal 7 October 2014 17: 49
        +3
        Quote: aleks 62
        I read it .... Well, right ".... chief !!! Everything is gone. Everything is gone ... !!!!" ..... Another squeak of the liberals.

        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        The liberal government of Medvedev, being the stronghold of the fifth column ...

        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        I read it two times. Understood nothing.

        Quote: retired
        The same garbage ..


        "We are not given to predict how our word will respond" So the author did not predict.
        Who is the author? Eugene Super! One of the most prolific Zaputinists, the nestling of Yakimenkovsky’s nest, the accuser of all opposition and the enemy of any doubt about the infallibility of the Most Great!
        But! Sharpened. This work was not written for this audience. Too tightened and implicitly filed a message. And the whole article for the sake of only the last paragraph, which no one paid attention to
        In this setting, only sympathize deeply to, who forced deal with "what is" taking on yourself blows for the mediocrity of “what is” and taking back their promises to at least somehow align the path of decline.

        Clear?
        An article about how bad and talentless the Tsar's boyars are, only he is forced to deal with "what is"
    2. cerbuk6155
      cerbuk6155 7 October 2014 14: 11
      +7
      And what is not clear here. Gref and Medvedev do not know what to do. There is no industry growth, and it is not expected, but what to do. They only make a helpless gesture. soldier
    3. cerbuk6155
      cerbuk6155 7 October 2014 14: 11
      +1
      And what is not clear here. Gref and Medvedev do not know what to do. There is no industry growth, and it is not expected, but what to do. They only make a helpless gesture. soldier
      1. Lantau
        Lantau 7 October 2014 14: 16
        +6
        When at a government meeting, Medvedev begins to set the size of the fine for electric trains, then this is complete ..... Putin is a smart guy, why is he holding this team?
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 7 October 2014 14: 25
          +1
          Gref, Medvedev, Kudrin ... No. That's when Putin will say his word, then we'll talk. And listening to different howls, especially liberals, is not good.
          1. Lantau
            Lantau 7 October 2014 14: 28
            +6
            That's when Putin will say his word

            Why is he then silent?
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 7 October 2014 14: 43
              +1
              Quote: Lantau
              Why is he then silent?

              Before you say anything, you need to listen to everyone and make the right decision. What apparently Putin is doing.
              1. Lantau
                Lantau 7 October 2014 14: 48
                +15
                Before you say anything, you need to listen to everyone and make the right decision. What apparently Putin is doing.

                Tell me, how long does it take? A year or ten years? Or maybe a whole human life is needed? Here recently, as you know, our government imposed an embargo on the supply of agricultural products from Western countries. And Norway and their salmon were on this list. How many winning broadcasts were on TV !!! Our fishermen will fill up the whole country with our fish, but we have nowhere to put it, but just give a command, etc., etc. Hence the question is, what prevented us from filling up earlier? And I want to tell you, they won’t overwhelm us with fish! We have practically no fishing fleet left. Yes, and the one that is, in an extremely deplorable state. Tell me, did a lot of vessels from the new building come to the Far Eastern basin for the fishing industry? Personally, such cases are unknown to me, although I have been living in Nakhodka all my life and have been working in the fishing fleet for a long time. Are you aware that the average age of ships has already reached 30 years, or maybe more? Have many built new refrigerators for receiving fish products? In Nakhodka, for example, there was only one industrial refrigerator. The rest were razed to the ground. Why? Do we need this? Have you done a lot of refrigerated wagons to transport fish inland? There are questions, but no answers !!! And I write this in order to pay attention to it !!! Not all is well with us. Very not good. But for some reason, many perceive this as a betrayal of national interests.
                1. a lex loci
                  a lex loci 7 October 2014 15: 37
                  +6
                  That's for sure. So far, Dimonov's team does nothing except shaking the air. And maybe that's why it was set up so that people can hang noodles on their ears. And under this case, "pink thieves" drag everything that is not nailed over the hillock in the hole, encouraged by Uncle Sam.
                2. SRC P-15
                  SRC P-15 7 October 2014 19: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: Lantau
                  In Nakhodka, for example, there was only one industrial refrigerator. The rest were razed to the ground.

                  And who equalized Putin? Or maybe the local princes, whom Putin could not touch before? Who destroyed the fishing fleet and sold it, is it Putin too? They all grabbed it, and now we are looking for the guilty one. Who is the owner of these industrial refrigerators, do not you say? And the fishing fleet in whose hands, maybe in private? If so, then who is the demand?
                  I understand perfectly well that not everything is in order in our country. But something was falling apart, and Putin alone should keep the answer? Try to restore it all - life will not be enough, and you all want everything at once and now. Understand that Putin beats like a fish on ice, but how to fix it if everyone pulls a blanket over himself. Repression will not work now, time is not right, and Putin will not go for it - this is not his method. He is not a supporter of shocks at all, and it seems to me that he is right.
                  Sorry for not responding right away, was busy.
                  1. Djuma
                    Djuma 7 October 2014 21: 39
                    +8
                    Yes, it was not Putin who razed to the ground, and he did not grab everything. But, as the head of state, he should not create conditions under which this can happen. What sensible did the Medvedev government do? NOTHING!!! All the reforms of this clown - zilch. Promille - canceled, we return the time back, the police-police - generally complete nonsense, the same snouts remained, only in a different form and under different signs. For whatever it is - nothing sensible. Kudrin, the best finance minister in the world, is generally a complete asshole. You have to figure it out, give our oil and gas billions to the Americans at 2-3% per annum, and then make our banks take loans from them at 5-7%. Here is such a "great" finance minister. Have you tried to take out a Kommersant loan from VTB24 for small business development? 24% per annum !!! Why am I, a small entrepreneur, at 24%, and amerikosy - at 2?
                    I’m not a liberal bastard, but I don’t like our government. And the worst thing is that the GDP does nothing to change the situation in the country. Geopolitics is good, but who will think about internal problems?
                  2. Lantau
                    Lantau 8 October 2014 04: 27
                    +1
                    And nobody accuses Putin of having been privatized at the time. He was not in power at that time. And I at one time quite consciously voted for him, although I have not been and I am not too much of his supporter. Do you know why? In 2012, during the election campaign, he sounded about working people. What exactly is the man of labor is the creator. I thought that if he relies on it (a man of labor), then something will really change in the country. But this is not! The media talk about some projects, investments, forums, etc. etc. And where is labor propaganda? Where is the social advertising for this? There is nothing of it !!! As we see, I was mistaken. And do not tell me that the king is good, just bad boyars. I will give a simple example - everyone is accustomed to blaming Stalin for the 1937 repressions. He is such and such, he shot everyone, put him in prison, etc. He is charged with personal responsibility. But Putin cannot be blamed for the decline of the economy. It’s not him, it’s some kind of bad people that bother him. You yourself are not funny? People pose such questions because they are tired of this mismanagement. No one bears personal responsibility for making and implementing decisions. What is useful from Medvedev? What is useful from Chubais? What is useful from Deripaska? What did they do to make life easier for me? NOTHING!!! Or do you think Medvedev is an excellent specialist? If so, in what? In economics, politics, technology? This is not observed for him. People voice the problems in the country that need to be addressed. Need to build a fleet? Need to! Do you need to develop education? Need to. Do you need to restore plants? Need to. And the bulk of the population expects the authorities to understand their problems, that the authorities will turn to face them and begin a dialogue with the people. But that’s all, it’s not him, but it’s not with him, they are already starting to bother.
                    And at the expense of repression, so he has no choice if he wants to pull the country out of the pit. Either he will make a liberal trash or they will drown the country. The people will only support this. Because I'm tired of looking at the swagger of officials. On their mansions, on expensive foreign cars, etc. Or do you say that this is not? And why there will not be revisions to the results of privatization? And why is there a private oil company Lukoil? Has the Constitution been abolished in our country? And do not say that they pay taxes. We all pay, and so do you. As I said, there are questions, but no answers!
                    1. SRC P-15
                      SRC P-15 8 October 2014 09: 38
                      +1
                      With most of your claims to Putin, I agree, but ...
                      Don't you think that Putin is purposefully not allowed to carry out social reforms? Why did you stir up Ukraine? What are the sanctions imposed for, do you think because of Ukraine? If she hadn’t, they would have found another reason. How to carry out reforms within the country if it is imposed on all sides? Maybe you know a way out? If we now begin the revision of privatization, the country will fall into an even bigger hole. Do you want that? You understand that the West needs our resources and they will not stop at nothing to seize them. That is why Putin, in defiance of Kudrin, went to rebuild our Army. Well, now the country does not have enough resources to simultaneously restore the destroyed enterprises, and they, in the form in which they were and are, are simply uncompetitive. It is necessary to carry out a complete modernization in the country, and where to get the funds from? What am I telling you, you yourself surely understand everything perfectly.
                      And yet, can you tell me when Putin came, how many private oil companies were there in the country? And now? In my opinion, Lukoil was given over to private hands in order to gain access abroad to high-tech development, oil production - that is, to have advanced technology for oil production. After all, you see, the country purchases the latest drilling equipment abroad. If Lukoil were a state-owned company, it would hardly be sold to us.
                      It seems to me that Putin holds Medvedev in the government for giving Putin the opportunity to take the next presidency - to continue what he started. Moreover, Putin himself said that he did not abandon his own, and this, I think, is right. And Medvedev does what Putin tells him, so that’s not the point.
                      The problem is that there are many hidden and overt opponents of power. And Putin has to fight with them.
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              2. Gardamir
                Gardamir 7 October 2014 16: 09
                +7
                If the ship ran into a reef, then there is no time to remain silent or listen to the opinion of the team. It is necessary to save the ship. You got with your silent. over the past six months he has become famous for being silent. Maybe, like a tagged Misha, is he waiting for everything to fall apart?
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 October 2014 14: 35
            +8
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            That's when Putin will say his word, then we'll talk.

            Ha, and when Putin dragged Kudrin live and the whole country convinced that he was good, what was it?
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 7 October 2014 14: 41
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Ha, and when Putin dragged Kudrin live and the whole country convinced that he was good, what was it?

              At that time, for the state, an airbag was needed and no matter how much we scolded Kudrin now, he did it. And now a completely different calico - you need to invest in your economy and army, which Kudrin did not allow to do before. Why he was pushed back.
          3. Cenij150814
            Cenij150814 7 October 2014 15: 47
            +5
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            That's when Putin will say his word, then we'll talk. And listening to different howls, especially liberals, is not good.

            laughing laughing I want to ask you an idiotic question, please tell me where have you been these last fourteen years ????
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 7 October 2014 19: 04
              +3
              Quote: Cenij150814
              I want to ask you an idiotic question, please tell me where have you been these last fourteen years ????

              To an idiotic question, I will answer idiotically: "And you?"
              What did you all attack on Putin today, exactly on his birthday? This is not human.
              1. Cenij150814
                Cenij150814 7 October 2014 19: 36
                +1
                To an idiotic question, I will answer idiotically: "And you?" Well, firstly, this is not an idiotic answer, but Hebrew yes and secondly, he studied at school, at the institute, in the army, I work!
                What did you all attack on Putin today, exactly on his birthday? It’s not human you tell my mother, she drove me to my school for my birthdays crying
                1. SRC P-15
                  SRC P-15 7 October 2014 20: 41
                  +3
                  Well, and I (by the way: purely Russian) - I have a disability group, I have been working for more than 40 years of work experience (along with the army). I have seen all the leaders of the state, and believe me, I have something to compare.
                  1. Cenij150814
                    Cenij150814 7 October 2014 21: 06
                    -1
                    Well, I (by the way: purely Russian) lying, there is no clean only 95,6% laughing I have seen all the leaders of the state, and believe me, I have something to compare. I don’t even doubt, the meaning of my comments was originally that Putin is-liberal he himself never hid it That's when Putin will say his word, then we'll talk. And listen to different howls, especially liberals, it is not good.
                    1. Nyrobsky
                      Nyrobsky 8 October 2014 19: 09
                      -2
                      No, you just understand that Russia was robbed of a thread before 2000, and it is just starting to recover ..
                      When a hunchbacked mink came to power - he stsuka took gold to Belfast and now lives in England (the skin is for sale), he was replaced by Boriska pyan, who agreed to everything if only the throne was under his ass, but it was he who merged the union of report to the amerikosy, "chef trussed by the USSR no more."
                      And with Boriska they brought to power the Nemtsovs, Kasyanovs, Gaidars, Berezovskys and other trash, who often complied with the instructions of the US State Department and shredded Russia to shreds, privatized state assets and sold them to anyone who got it. They took loans from the IMF for reforms (and essentially to slaughter the country), pulling it into a debt hole. Well, naturally the people on the side, who survived as best they could, shuttles, speculators, bandits ... in short, lawlessness. All managed to put at the service of mattresses and Euro-perarasts. Hundreds lived - millions were miserable.
                      Therefore, over the years of "perestroika and effective management" the state has almost lost its strength to resist and had to serve Western interests, but not its own ...
                      VVP came (God grant him health and three more presidential terms for evil to Europiderasts and our homegrown fifth column) - and said "everything, - we must deal with the country and began to put pressure on the sly (right away, it’s very impossible, there are liberals from Honduras) - paid off external debts ahead of schedule , created a reserve of national welfare, pays a pension to grandmothers, gives out money to mothers for childbirth, gradually builds factories, sends amerikosnya with liberalization to the farm - in short, life has just begun to improve. corrected, one piece of gold in the treasury of the sovereign has already accumulated more than a thousand tons, raised the army, weapons went ...
                      You understand that such a huge country is so simple not to get out of the liberal ass where our swamp herds drove her swamps - but life is getting better.
                      At least this is not something that in the 90s they lived for a year without salaries and pensions and American rations cracked, that for a soldier a mattress was prepared by a belligerent in Iraq-like rejoice savages. Now, so dill is bred into the liver from the State Department.
                      Putin is a statesman, not a liberal ... Although living with wolves is like a wolf howl and you must proceed from what was and what is and bring your own. So rejoice and do not complain, it was worse.
                      But the peasant with an iPhone and some of his ministers - these are those liberals, I must admit ...
        2. sso-xnumx
          sso-xnumx 7 October 2014 15: 26
          +1
          And what would be someone to dismiss for incompetence ...
        3. sergey261180
          sergey261180 7 October 2014 16: 05
          +7
          Quote: Lantau
          Putin is a smart guy, why is he holding this team?

          The boss psychologically selects his subordinates dumber than himself, so that against their background nothing seems.
    4. Buran
      Buran 7 October 2014 14: 27
      +4
      And what is not clear? All the goats ... s, but we all know - Party (Putin), let me steer. The only sound thought is that the government and top management are not ready to oppose themselves to the world sovereign from overseas. And there is no desire as current. The trouble is that there are no replacement personnel.
      Quite a "golden" youth or suckers.
    5. oof
      oof 7 October 2014 15: 46
      0
      then don’t bother.
  3. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 7 October 2014 14: 08
    -1
    again "everything is gone"? .. are you a human being? .. for whom do you work? .. who ordered the article? ... negative
    1. Normal
      Normal 7 October 2014 17: 56
      0
      Quote: el.krokodil
      are you human? .. who do you work for? .. who ordered the article? ...

      Guess from three times.
      In this setting, one can only sympathize deeply towho is forced to deal with "what is", taking on yourself blows for the mediocrity of "what is" and taking back their promises to at least somehow align the path of decline.
  4. Oldwiser
    Oldwiser 7 October 2014 14: 08
    +2
    The new prime minister should be D. Rogozin, the Ministry of Economic Development - S. Glazyev. At the Ministry of Finance - you can return and Kudrin. Under such leadership, he no longer has much polyberalism - he will do what they say from the top and, purely in finance, the specialist is quite competent.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 7 October 2014 14: 16
      +8
      Quote: OldWiser
      you can return and Kudrin

      belay at such a time ??? belay this bastard will definitely arrange "Black Thursday", or Friday, or .... choose for yourself!
    2. EvaFerrari
      EvaFerrari 7 October 2014 14: 34
      +8
      About Kudrin, you are in vain. Just now, he watched how he spoke at Pozner's program, the impressions of his thoughts were not so hot. The main meaning of everything Kudrin said: cutting back on all social programs and transferring this money to the oligarchs so that they receive finances for the development of their business, this supposedly will spur the growth of the notorious GDP. Kudrin does not care what happens to the people, the main thing is to boost the economy in this way. And this can be done, among other things, by raising the retirement age, cutting salaries for teachers, military and other state employees, and the like. Those. He sees a way out of the crisis in that some rich, while others go to look for a place in the cemetery because of the inability to feed themselves.
      1. Buran
        Buran 7 October 2014 14: 54
        +2
        About Kudrin, you are in vain. Just now he watched how he performed at Pozner's program


        Well you are a giant !!! Kudrina, and even in the Posner program. Steel nerves and stomach !!! On weekends, you drinks
        1. EvaFerrari
          EvaFerrari 7 October 2014 15: 35
          +1
          Yes Yes. I am so :))
      2. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 7 October 2014 16: 28
        0
        Liberators know only one method of stimulating economic growth - "investing money." Mattress toppers take advantage of the dollar status and the unlimited possibilities of their printing presses ("quantitative easing"). RF does not use its machine. Therefore, Kudrin sees the source of funding - budget savings.
    3. Cenij150814
      Cenij150814 7 October 2014 16: 08
      -1
      Based on professional qualities and real views on things, then in this list the superfluous is certainly not Kudrin, but if you think in terms of farmer then of course Rogozin was a kid on the board and was in the city three times laughing see smart in the presidency of his local farm!!! wassat
    4. genabukin
      genabukin 7 October 2014 17: 08
      +2
      For me, the Cabinet of Ministers is so bloated, and it needs to be reduced by increasing functionality and responsibility ... I really liked the way the Primakov-Maslyukov-Gerashchenko government worked, and the current government is really about organizing those against which sanctions were introduced and proved to be deeds .. The same Shoigu than not the prime minister?
      1. Cenij150814
        Cenij150814 7 October 2014 17: 32
        +1
        Sanctions are absolutely not an indicator, but we don’t know what was based on when they were adopted, it may turn out that this is just "gambit"And as for Shoigu, one should not forget that he took an active part in the collapse of the USSR and he wouldn’t have enough professionalism to organize well-coordinated work!
        1. genabukin
          genabukin 7 October 2014 17: 56
          +2
          Looking at the composition of the government, only three names of Shoigu, Lavrov and Rogozin trust them, and they were voiced as a unifying principle
          1. Cenij150814
            Cenij150814 7 October 2014 19: 22
            -1
            As for trust, I will say this, I pay money to a master (for example, a plumber) not because I trust him, but for a good job; for ministers, Lavrov, as they say in his place, it so happened that his work does not depend on whether we trust him or not somewhere I heard the anecdote "I do not like US foreign policy because I live inside" the hint is clear; Rogozin is a hyperactive balabol, which is worth his completely localized production of SaM146 engines; Shoigu, I already said, a dark horse.
  5. Cripple cross
    Cripple cross 7 October 2014 14: 09
    +2
    author -> author -> author muttered anti-government sentiment, he himself didn’t offer anything, and Pschik ... further, like corrupting your own mind.
    In general: A provocative throw to the reeling of minds.
  6. yehat
    yehat 7 October 2014 14: 12
    +1
    Quote: Alex_Popovson
    I read it two times. Understood nothing.

    I think something is clear clearly:
    there is a discrepancy in the processes that promises additional problems
    only the details are unclearly written, I think, because of spontaneity.
  7. nvn_co
    nvn_co 7 October 2014 14: 13
    +2
    What was that? request
  8. Capacitor
    Capacitor 7 October 2014 14: 13
    +2
    For me it’s the next throwing laughing
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    2. St Petrov
      St Petrov 7 October 2014 14: 44
      -1
      The author releases the program - Time Forward. So it does not apply to all
  9. kostyan77708
    kostyan77708 7 October 2014 14: 15
    -2
    I read the beginning, then I didn’t- the minus article!
  10. Good cat
    Good cat 7 October 2014 14: 15
    +2
    Throw 100%. Only Medvedev down, Gref down, investment down!
    1. Cenij150814
      Cenij150814 7 October 2014 16: 13
      0
      Dear on what grounds such conclusions, it’s just interesting, maybe my worldview will change!
  11. Sour
    Sour 7 October 2014 14: 15
    0
    In general, I agree with the author.
    Especially with this:
    There is no competition for alternative development programs,

    The author sees that there are problems, but offers nothing. And at the same time he admits that no one offers anything.
    They like to quote Khazin here, but he has nothing but unfulfilled forecasts and destructive criticism, and sometimes obvious lies. This forum favorite also never offers anything.
    There are actually no serious economists who would not just criticize the government, but would also suggest an alternative path.
    And this is very bad.
    1. Cenij150814
      Cenij150814 7 October 2014 16: 26
      +2
      Quote: Sour
      The author sees that there are problems, but offers nothing. And at the same time he admits that no one offers anything.

      And what do you think he should offer and generally make sense to offer if the majority does not understand what he is talking about, respectively, not wanting or not able to realize what is happening in the country, for me you need to sober up first and then look for something!
  12. Password
    Password 7 October 2014 14: 15
    +3
    Quote: Alex_Popovson
    I read it two times. Understood nothing.

    And what is there to understand - "Government of confusion" and that, in fact, says it all. And what else to expect from oligarchic proteges fixated on personal enrichment.
  13. Ratmir
    Ratmir 7 October 2014 14: 19
    +1
    Roughly. From the article it turns out that after the imposition of sanctions, Russia should immediately take a different course in the economy. Moreover, this course should have been ready and 100% effective. The fact that the Russian economy has not been rebuilt in a few months means everything, to all the khan and the entire government inefficient. I understand that. In my opinion it is somewhat ridiculous. The situation is difficult agrees. But after all, they did not crawl out of such a d .. It takes time and patience. And the main thing now is not to jump from one extreme to another. I do not think that the GDP around itself has gathered some liberals and corrupt creatures. As experience shows, Russia is slowly learning to turn problems into benefits and incentives for development.
  14. Khalmamed
    Khalmamed 7 October 2014 14: 19
    +2
    the article depresses a little .., but in terms of symptoms and secondary brains is partially true ...
    1. surrounded by GDP, ANCHOR inhibiting RUSSIA - officials of ALL LEVELS to shtetl.
    2. I think these people were put in order to break RUSSIA into "principalities" by 2015, and they would be princelings with slaves, that's all - nothing to do with knowledge here. THERE WOULD BE A DESIRE!
    3. The GDP is OPEN more than once "said to live together" - I think the reaction is not zapping.
    4. Since the days of the drunk in the Russian Federation, none of the "from who" really sat with the CONFISCATION OF PROPERTY and repressive measures for family members - the consequence of permissiveness LOST FEAR!
    5. introduce a "threatened period" to remove civilian bureaucrats with a CHECK, introduce military command and tribunals for 4 years.

    MORNING 4.30 NEXT DAY. GDP comes to the window and outside the RATTLE OF CROWBARS and LITTLES about deep love for RUSSIA and GDP.
  15. Sour
    Sour 7 October 2014 14: 21
    +4
    Quote: Alex_Popovson
    I read it two times. Understood nothing.

    Yes, very many do not like articles where there are no clear-cut slogans, no dumb labeling, but there is reason to think. Many do not like to think. They like slogans more.
  16. Begemot
    Begemot 7 October 2014 14: 21
    +1
    I did not begin to minus or plus. The fact that everything is not okay in the country — we know that artists, athletes and other lyceum artists are drafting laws in the State Duma — we also know that there are no people in the government who are adequate to the situation — an open secret, what should I write about this? Where are the productive offers?
    If it’s just like this: Everything is gone, the plaster is removed, the client leaves - and this is enough everywhere.
  17. Alfizik
    Alfizik 7 October 2014 14: 27
    +1
    God forbid they "win back", and God forbid they give gas to Ukraine without paying off debts! And what about the mutual sympathy of Obama and Medvedev? But where to get "strong professional hands"? So far, only opposition parties are giving them to us. But are they strong, their professional hands?
    Medvedev will pull until the next presidential election? The trouble with the continuation.
    1. Sour
      Sour 7 October 2014 14: 36
      -1
      Quote: Alfizik
      But where to get "strong professional hands"? So far, only opposition parties are giving them to us.

      Opposition parties do not offer a damn either.
      Liberals shout: "Down with Putin". Besides this slogan, their program contains nothing. Absolutely nothing. Well, maybe the demand to abandon the Crimea.
      The leftists are shouting: "We must nationalize everything again and transfer it to the government." For more, they do not have enough brains. The fact that we have already followed this road and have reached a dead end does not bother them. For some reason they are sure that this is an accident or a consequence of "the intrigues of enemies."
      The fact of the matter is that nobody offers anything sensible.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 7 October 2014 16: 16
        -2
        Liberals cannot shout Putin off, because Putin is a liberal. Shouting enemies of Russia.
    2. a lex loci
      a lex loci 7 October 2014 15: 41
      0
      Quote: Alfizik
      God forbid they "win back", and God forbid they give gas to Ukraine without paying off debts! And what about the mutual sympathy of Obama and Medvedev? But where to get "strong professional hands"? So far, only opposition parties are giving them to us. But are they strong, their professional hands?
      Medvedev will pull until the next presidential election? The trouble with the continuation.


      That's right!
  18. postoronim V
    postoronim V 7 October 2014 14: 28
    +1
    Bear in the taiga, Livanov in the nursery-Khanty-Mansiysk, etc. Why does he keep these reptiles? probably relatives or corporate spirit.
  19. Alexander
    Alexander 7 October 2014 14: 38
    -2
    Quote: Sour
    Quote: Alex_Popovson
    I read it two times. Understood nothing.

    Yes, very many do not like articles where there are no clear-cut slogans, no dumb labeling, but there is reason to think. Many do not like to think. They like slogans more.


    Many people do not like articles where they pour water without citing facts, and even with slogans - "everything is gone!" "we will overthrow the oligarchs", "power to the people (Maidan)".
    1. Sour
      Sour 7 October 2014 14: 42
      0
      I think that the main idea of ​​the article is not in the slogan "all for the Maidan" (I did not notice such a slogan here, if you noticed, please sign off), but that there are no alternative ideas, unfortunately. There is only chatter.
  20. s30461
    s30461 7 October 2014 14: 48
    +1
    Quote: OldWiser
    The new prime minister should be D. Rogozin, the Ministry of Economic Development - S. Glazyev. At the Ministry of Finance - you can return and Kudrin. Under such leadership, he no longer has much polyberalism - he will do what they say from the top and, purely in finance, the specialist is quite competent.

    Yeah. Let’s return Chubais to the government and the complete set of destruction of the country is ready.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 7 October 2014 16: 36
      0
      if he is the minister for "nationalization" - let him be. Since he arranged privatization himself, let socialization do it back as well. And he calms disgruntled oligarchs.
  21. fax66
    fax66 7 October 2014 14: 51
    0
    The questions, of course, are posed correctly ...
    But who is this "professional team" that knows how to fly an airplane? ..
    Unfortunately, Nature does not put a seal on the forehead at birth "fit for the government". And in words - all geniuses ...
  22. DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 7 October 2014 14: 56
    -1
    The author - two cubes of Uzbagain intravenously. And let him watch how really smart people rule the state.
    1. Tor hummer
      Tor hummer 7 October 2014 15: 12
      +1
      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      The author - two cubes of Uzbagain intravenously. And let him watch how really smart people rule the state.

      Yes, smart people like Serdyukov.
      1. Sour
        Sour 7 October 2014 15: 19
        -1
        Quote: Tor Hummer
        Yes, smart people like Serdyukov.

        And what do you dislike about Serdyukov?
        Is erysipelas ugly?
        Or did they hint that he was a thief on the "time" program?
        You, as I understand it, a supporter of a democratic state. If so, they should at least respect the presumption of innocence.
        Although if you have facts of Serdyukov’s guilt, then urgently to the prosecutor’s office or the Investigative Committee. Why then on the forum to engage in empty chatter?
        Or did you carefully read the materials of the defense service's criminal case? I doubt it.
        1. Tor hummer
          Tor hummer 7 October 2014 15: 25
          +5
          Quote: Sour
          And what do you dislike about Serdyukov?
          Is erysipelas ugly?
          Or did they hint that he was a thief on the "time" program?
          You, as I understand it, a supporter of a democratic state. If so, they should at least respect the presumption of innocence.
          Although if you have facts of Serdyukov’s guilt, then urgently to the prosecutor’s office or the Investigative Committee. Why then on the forum to engage in empty chatter?
          Or did you carefully read the materials of the defense service's criminal case? I doubt it.

          You are my friend "liberast" pure water, what else you need to look for. Even Novodvorskaya did not come to that.

          Presumption of innocence?? Well yes, they heard ...
          Several of Perdyukov’s deputies are already treading the zone, and on the ships they gave clear instructions that Perdyukov was aware of what they were doing and he himself was in share. However, Tolik is still at large and no one is going to judge him.
          1. Sour
            Sour 7 October 2014 15: 29
            0
            Yes, I do not care who has sunk to what. By the way, the "Serdyukov card" is most actively played by liberals like you. Favorite topic of Navalny or Nemtsov, or the channel "rain".
            You speak as if you know something about Serdyukov's affairs. But you, "my friend", know exactly as much as television and Mr. Markin have allowed you to know. And not a letter more. And do not pretend that it is not so.
            1. Tor hummer
              Tor hummer 7 October 2014 15: 37
              +1
              Quote: Sour
              Yes, I do not care who has sunk to what. By the way, the "Serdyukov card" is most actively played by liberals like you. Favorite topic of Navalny or Nemtsov, or the channel "rain".
              You speak as if you know something about Serdyukov's affairs. But you, "my friend", know exactly as much as television and Mr. Markin have allowed you to know. And not a letter more. And do not pretend that it is not so.

              It is necessary to give a precise definition of the word "liberast".
              Liberalism-tolerance, the ability to compromise.
              Liberasty - tolerance brought to the point of absurdity.
              Liberast is a person who is ready to endure anything at the expense of himself.
              I am not satisfied with the vile shopkeepers like Perdyukov and I do not intend to put up with their tricks. I am not a liberalist.
              But you, my friend, are just ready to endure anything, from everything that they palm off on you. - You are LIBERAST))))
              1. Sour
                Sour 7 October 2014 15: 44
                +1
                To the detriment of myself, I do not tolerate anything. If I know about the damage to myself, then I will sue.
                And who are you capable of suing, Mr. "fighter" and "protestant"? You can only chew snot. All your protest fervor is not worth a dime. Although it may be worth it. Someone financed your Navalny. Perhaps you got it too, Mr. Liberalist.
            2. Tor hummer
              Tor hummer 7 October 2014 15: 40
              +3
              Moreover, Serdyukov is only one last name from the list, and far from the worst.
              But there are criminals who are much worse than him and have stolen and harmed many times more. But no one touches them either.
              The vertical of power is working.
              1. Sour
                Sour 7 October 2014 15: 50
                +1
                Quote: Tor Hummer
                But there are criminals who are much worse than him and have stolen and harmed many times more. But no one touches them either.

                Here I agree. Your Bulk for some reason is still not on the bunk. Although Ashurkov is already on the run, fried smells already.
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 7 October 2014 15: 36
      0
      I don’t know about you, but I don’t hope for these "smart people" for a long time. They are separate, I am separate. My family lives in parallel with this "state of smart people" who spend billions on Alempeads and Skolkovo. Symbiosis, you know. "Smart people" in the wards, and I am a yard kennel myself. I don’t feel any good from them, but it seems that lately they have not started to spread rot. What are the "cardinal successes" of these "smart people"? And I will say in what: in the fact that the existence of an independent state is supported at the very least, the existence of which ensures their personal comfortable business on the resources of a huge country. Indeed, "smart" people.
  23. Tor hummer
    Tor hummer 7 October 2014 15: 06
    0
    The absence of a competent government in the Russian Federation is a direct consequence of the "vertical of power" and the almost complete absence of free elections, with the impossibility of creating parties and nominating them for elections.
    In a free democratic system it works principle positive selection, where the best of the best come to power as a result of a fierce political struggle (strictly within the law).
    In our case, due to the lack of an election institution, it works principle negative selection... - When the worst of the worst come to power, according to the party lists of United Russia.
    It was the negative selection that destroyed the USSR. Please note - after Stalin, all subsequent secretaries-general were, to put it mildly, incompetent or unable (due to health reasons) to work in their posts. As a result, such a policy led to the fact that each subsequent secretary general was worse than the previous one. Thus, the appearance of Gorbachev was not a tragic accident, but a pattern obtained as a result of the previous 70 years of the existence of the USSR.

    The Russian Federation is moving along the same path as the USSR.
    1. Sour
      Sour 7 October 2014 15: 14
      0
      Quote: Tor Hummer
      the almost complete absence of free elections, with the inability to create parties and nominate them for election.

      The parties are now above the roof. In addition to the 4's represented in the Duma, it is full and non-parliamentary.
      You repeat the slogans of 2010 of the year, not noticing that they are out of date. Previous restrictions on party registration have been greatly relaxed. Now in Russia to create a new party is no more difficult than in France. And it’s much easier than in the USA, where only 2 parties differ mainly in name and emblem.
      Quote: Tor Hummer
      In our country, in view of the absence of an election institution,

      If you are not satisfied with the election results, this does not mean that there are no elections. Gena Zyuganov screams after every election that they are "dishonest", but could never prove anythingalthough observers from his party are almost everywhere in any election. What the hell are they doing there if Gena can’t prove anything then? And not only Gena, but Navalny, for example.
      1. Tor hummer
        Tor hummer 7 October 2014 15: 31
        0
        Quote: Sour
        The parties are now above the roof. In addition to the 4's represented in the Duma, it is full and non-parliamentary.
        You repeat the slogans of 2010 of the year, not noticing that they are out of date. Previous restrictions on party registration have been greatly relaxed. Now in Russia to create a new party is no more difficult than in France. And it’s much easier than in the USA, where only 2 parties differ mainly in name and emblem.

        No need to talk about things in which you do not understand anything, with the appearance of a knowledgeable person.

        In France there is a party of nationalists that wins the election, but not in the Russian Federation. In France there is a tough and independent opposition, but not in the Russian Federation.

        Quote: Sour
        If you are not satisfied with the election results, this does not mean that there are no elections. After every election, Gena Zyuganov screams that they are "dishonest", but he could never prove anything, although observers from his party are almost everywhere at any election. What the hell are they doing there if Gena can't prove anything later? And not only Gena, but also Navalny, for example.


        Fortunately, I recently watched how elections were held in the Moscow City Duma in my constituency and I cannot call these elections fair.
        1. Sour
          Sour 7 October 2014 15: 37
          +1
          Quote: Tor Hummer
          No need to talk about things in which you do not understand anything, with the appearance of a knowledgeable person.
          In France there is a party of nationalists that wins the election, but not in the Russian Federation. In France there is a tough and independent opposition, but not in the Russian Federation.

          No need to say things in which you do not understand anything. If the normal people don’t support your Bandera lackeys, the Potkins are only because they are NATO bedding and Bandera lackeys, and not because there is no democracy in Russia.
          Quote: Tor Hummer
          Fortunately, I recently watched how elections were held in the Moscow City Duma in my constituency and I cannot call these elections fair.

          You can call anything. Go and prove it. Blah blah blah, you can do it. Only it is not interesting to anyone.
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 7 October 2014 15: 49
      +1
      About "each subsequent general secretary was worse than the previous one" I do not agree. What did you measure? I was lucky to be born in the 70s, I would definitely not change in the 40s. And about negative selection - 100% true. And what did you want when the EP is just a club of those wishing to get the position of state manager, admitted to the right to change money streams, or streams, or rivers? (depending on career growth). What is the ideology of the modern Russian state? - It is not advertised, but everyone knows: Sit on the grandmother and appeal to the suckers "For Mother Russia .." This is our main "state-forming" idea.
      1. Tor hummer
        Tor hummer 7 October 2014 16: 03
        +2
        Quote: andrew42
        As for "each subsequent secretary general was worse than the previous one," I disagree. What did you measure?

        What measure?
        Khrushchev is a rural simpleton, without education, a Ukrainian nationalist who gave Crimea dill and brought in the country Borschevik weed from the United States. He was so incompetent and stupid that he was even removed from his post.
        Brezhnev - a deeply sick person, was not able to manage the state. Although it was impossible to call him stupid. He was simply unsuitable.
        Chernenko and Andropov - well, it’s even difficult to comment on their personality, since no one except for resuscitation doctors and postalanatomists saw them in their eyes.
        Gorbachev is a man who summed up the Soviet regime.
      2. Tor hummer
        Tor hummer 7 October 2014 16: 11
        +4
        Quote: andrew42
        And as for the negative selection - on 100% is true. What did you want when EP is just a club of people who want to get the position of a state manager, who has the right to manage money streams, or flows, or rivers? (depending on career growth).

        Here I am talking about too. It is difficult for our government to demand any meaningful results, because they do not work for the result and they don’t need this result. They need to go through the party list from Edra to power and get a bureaucratic apparatus, shift papers on the table, quietly peacefully sell gas to the EU and get a decent salary for this.

        Quote: andrew42
        What is the ideology of the modern Russian state? - It is not advertised, but everyone knows: Sit on the grandmother and appeal to the suckers "For Mother Russia .." This is our main "state-forming" idea.


        And there is. What we have at the moment: "Power vertical" which firmly sits on the bowels of Russia and resells them to the West, from which it lives comfortably (and often in the West).
        All those who disagree and dissatisfied are mercilessly defamed and branded by the "5th column", "agents of the State Department", "fascists", etc., and so on, and then they are thrown behind bars, some die altogether, and some run we wonder why Russians are fighting in the Ukrainian punitive battalions "Azov" etc.).
    3. a lex loci
      a lex loci 7 October 2014 15: 50
      +1
      In a free democratic system it works principle positive selection, where the best of the best come to power as a result of a fierce political struggle (strictly within the law).


      Yeah, then the Amerikos has either a semi-quack Bush, or a Babama peacemaker with a Psaka in a harness. And the French have a blue Holland, and the Germans are a fool
      The selection is going on, but like in our government, it’s not the one who is smart, but the one who is obedient, who are promoted by serious uncles from financial clubs that even have Red Chubais in the wings.
      1. Tor hummer
        Tor hummer 7 October 2014 15: 53
        0
        Quote: a lex locis
        Yeah, then the Amerikos has either a semi-idiotic Bush or a Babama peacemaker with Psaka in a harness.

        Bush, Psaki and Obama may be half-jerked, but the USA rules the world and this is a fact.
      2. Tor hummer
        Tor hummer 7 October 2014 15: 56
        0
        Quote: a lex locis
        The selection is going on, but like in our government, it’s not the one who is smart, but the one who is obedient, who are promoted by serious uncles from financial clubs that even have Red Chubais in the wings.

        This is exactly what I said. - This is a negative selection, when development proceeds not according to the principle of selecting the best of the best, but according to the principle of the worst of the worst, so that very smart and self-willed people do not get into the system, otherwise the principle “I am the boss - you are a doctor will not work. .a.k. ".
        That's exactly how it works for us. But in the USA, it seems not. Otherwise, they would not have become a superpower.
  24. leond
    leond 7 October 2014 15: 18
    +9
    I read some comments, the intellectual level of most readers below the plinth. The author does not at all call for armed insurrection, since he is smart enough and understands perfectly well that a popular rebellion brings to power only various adventurers and political crooks, since people in this case are driven by outrage and anger, and not by rational calculation. The author only complains that there is no institutional opposition that could formulate and formulate a realistic program for overcoming the crisis, there is no shadow cabinet, and there are no opposition patriotic channels that would be the mouthpiece of this institutional opposition. This is something like this: you come to a restaurant, they serve you a dish and they say: this is the best we have, you ask for another dish to compare, and they answer you: we don’t have another. You look at our political elite: for decades the same people, sometimes they are shuffled, but nothing changes from that. No matter how badly they do their job, they will retain their chair, their position. The country does not have a training system for senior officials of the state leadership, both professionally and morally. And there is an old system of nomenclature: the nomenclature of the highest, middle and lower level. Once in the nomenclature clip, a person remains in it.
    1. a lex loci
      a lex loci 7 October 2014 15: 52
      0
      Fully agree
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 7 October 2014 15: 55
      +1
      It's not about the turnover of people in the elite, but about the quality of these guys. If the guys work for their own business, and in their free time they steer the state, this is a pseudo-elite. If in this pseudo-elite there is a system of selection of similar ones, then no "change" of faces and faces will save.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 7 October 2014 16: 25
        +1
        I’ll fix it a bit. The elite is the best. And for some reason we call people in power the elite. And unfortunately, power is not only government officials, but different pops are also power, alas.
  25. MuadDib
    MuadDib 7 October 2014 15: 28
    0
    "The train cuts the darkness with a burning arrow, obedient to unknown forces ..." - a terrible prospect that I would like to avoid. I believe that Vladimir Putin and his associates are interested in preserving their power and therefore will not hand over the helm of our airliner state into the hands of dimwitted liberals.
    1. Tor hummer
      Tor hummer 7 October 2014 15: 33
      +2
      Quote: MuadDib
      "The train cuts the darkness with a burning arrow, obedient to unknown forces ..." - a terrible prospect that I would like to avoid. I believe that Vladimir Putin and his associates are interested in preserving their power and therefore will not hand over the helm of our airliner state into the hands of dimwitted liberals.

      One might think that VVP and its "associates" are not liberals.
  26. andrew42
    andrew42 7 October 2014 15: 29
    +7
    Everyone seemed to have forgotten what state we live in. They hammered their eyes and ears with Ukraine and the military-industrial complex. And then suddenly they woke up sober, and immediately panicked. Who said that the political system of Russia has ceased to be an oligarchy of business security officials? Who said that the economic system ceased to be the assets of the former Soviet Union, minimally "repaired" by the oligarchs who stole them? Who told you that GDP growth is due to machine building, machine tool building, instrument making and so on, and not due to retail chains and all kinds of services there? (we don't take oil and gas - either a saving help, or an evil needle). Who said that judicial practice has stopped, when for self-defense from a rapist you can get seven years, and for billions of dollars in embezzlement - only a public ayayay? Maybe parents stopped paying for schools up to 3/4 of the annual budget? Maybe the teacher began to receive half of the player's salary? It seems that they fell asleep in Russia, and in the morning the Galactic Empire dreamed of, although the dinner drink returned a depressing reality. Maybe PZHiR changed the program to a socialist course? Where does the panic come from? Everything was as it was. Well, plus an external enemy at the gate.
  27. polkownik1
    polkownik1 7 October 2014 15: 33
    +7
    One of the impudent leaders of this, if I may say so, "forum" dared to use Stolypin's statement: "They need great upheavals, but we need a great Russia! ..." Did you understand ? Their liberal swamp, their petty vanity is a struggle for a great Russia! "Fighter" Medvedev hardly keeps his attention on the discussed issues, almost falling asleep constantly ... Bankers talk about "long" money, having no money. Because there are no banks in Russia! There are intermediary offices that borrow from Western real banks, and then reassure us at twice the interest rate. Then - half of these percentages are returned to the West, the other half - to themselves. Therefore, they howled at the forum from the sanctions, because they are not able to work otherwise. Well, etc. ... Vladimir Vladimirovich, would you make yourself a present for your birthday! I would replace this gang calling itself the government and the elite! Glazyev, what is bad, for example?
  28. Signature
    Signature 7 October 2014 15: 49
    -2
    Sharply written, gracefully served. In general, a very worthy publication.
    If we move on to the topic itself, then we can traditionally say "a lot of things."
    The power of the Soviet society that has sunk into oblivion consisted in the fact that it was reaching, reaching and reaching for high (and, as it is customary to finalize now, “absolutely unattainable”), albeit inexpressibly beautiful goals.
    To me personally, these goals still seem wonderful, and any efforts to achieve them are quite worthwhile for a life drowning in work and worries. But when the main goal of a human being is assigned to the achievement of a certain subsistence minimum (expressed in the ability and willingness to eat so much and so much to drink, as well as to endure and use up in such and such quantities), then (in my opinion), all governments and everywhere - always and inevitably equally unsightly and not particularly festive role - programmatically stretched into a string from one phrase "Whatever you please" to another - "Much grateful."
    In other words: the government of the era of developed consumerism - should be a well-trained service staff and sacred to know their place.
    1. iConst
      iConst 7 October 2014 16: 01
      -1
      Quote: Signatur
      Sharply written, gracefully served.

      Yeah: tryndet - not tossing bags.

      I did not see any grace. There is not even a spray of saliva - so, banter.
      Half a dozen "theses", like, from their own bell tower (and there is no bell tower) and pseudo-references, lack of evidence.

      Dig - fifty of the same "analysts" (from the word anus) will be found on the first page of the search engine.
      1. Signature
        Signature 7 October 2014 17: 16
        0
        Grace and sharpness meet, of course. And they are nothing unique, but they still do not coincide with the ponderousness and "blasphemy" of the style.
        But for you, the final turned out to be even sharper (thanks to the medically oriented "euphemism". (Analytics, by the way, I did not evaluate.)
    2. Sour
      Sour 7 October 2014 16: 07
      -2
      Quote: Signatur
      he stretched, stretched and reached for high (and, as it is customary now to finalize, “absolutely unattainable”), although inexpressibly beautiful goals.

      Unattainable - I agree. But I don’t see anything high and beautiful in the desire to equalize everyone to the same level, and very low.
      Quote: Signatur
      But when the main goal of a human being is assigned to the achievement of a certain subsistence minimum (expressed in the ability and willingness to eat so much and so much to drink, as well as to endure and use up in such and such quantities), then (in my opinion), all governments and everywhere - always and inevitably equally unsightly and not particularly festive role - programmatically stretched into a string from one phrase "Whatever you please" to another - "Much grateful."

      But when the slogans "plan at any cost" and "our steering party" are assigned as the main goal of a human being, then from this one millimeter to the phrases "what you please" and "very grateful." And even less than a millimeter.
      1. Signature
        Signature 7 October 2014 17: 17
        0
        What impresses you is that which does not appeal to me, but to me, on the contrary, that which is not to you. If you start to discuss all this - there will be a dead loop or the so-called vicious circle (evil infinity).

        I categorically do not use cons as a means of "ideological struggle".
        1. Sour
          Sour 7 October 2014 17: 35
          0
          Quote: Signatur
          If you start to discuss all this - there will be a dead loop or the so-called vicious circle (evil infinity).

          Well, why?
          There will be a dead loop if nothing is discussed. And only shout "glory to the native party". This will be a real dead loop, or rather a noose for society. And from the civilized discussion nobody felt bad.
          1. Signature
            Signature 7 October 2014 17: 54
            0
            A dead loop can be when one believes that you need to fight with bugs that seize a typhoid patient, and another that directly with the patient (as with a peddler - thanks to bugs - a dangerous infection). And, in general, everyone should do exactly what the prudent nature predisposes him to.
  29. Balamyt
    Balamyt 7 October 2014 15: 55
    +2
    Like it or not, the reason is precisely the premiere! Glaring incompetence in all areas (perhaps the only exception is Roman law), and amazing populism is absolutely everything!
    The current head of government must be returned to where he is least likely to do irreparable harm. He taught at the time at the University of St. Petersburg, that’s where he belongs ....
  30. ovgorskiy
    ovgorskiy 7 October 2014 15: 57
    0
    Eugene Super, that you are not super at all. The delirium of a drunk hamster. All select and share. To accuse others of mediocrity, one must possess even the smallest mind.
    1. Sour
      Sour 7 October 2014 16: 01
      -1
      Quote: ovgorskiy
      All select and share.

      And where did he offer it?
  31. Sanglier
    Sanglier 7 October 2014 16: 06
    0
    It is very reminiscent of the slogan of the Bolsheviks about the fact that "The cook can run the state." And it looks like the cooks are going to impeach the government. Nu-nu ... Those who call for this have tried at least to manage a company with an annual turnover of 200-300 million. Yes, not some kind of "sitting on a pipe", but a production one. I would have looked at them, how they would have explained to their employees why the salary is decreasing and why there are no orders.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 7 October 2014 16: 50
      +1
      You respected the words of Chubais repeat - "if you comrade failed to promote your successful business, then how can you be taken to the government [of market reforms]"
  32. Sour
    Sour 7 October 2014 16: 21
    -1
    Quote: Tor Hummer
    and then we wonder why Russians are fighting in the Ukrainian punitive battalions "Azov" etc.

    I'm not surprised.
    NATO beddings posing as "Russian nationalists" are still available in Russia. Especially in Moscow.
    But for now.
    Was it good for your "Basmanov" in Lviv? After all, I came to the banderlog "to establish contacts." But they didn't appreciate it. "The tragedy of the Russian opposition" in all its glory. No matter how you lick the ass of the Natsiks, they still get a kick.
    1. Tor hummer
      Tor hummer 8 October 2014 01: 11
      0
      Quote: Sour
      Was it good for your "Basmanov" in Lviv?

      Who is Basmanov and why is he "ours"?
  33. andrew42
    andrew42 7 October 2014 16: 22
    +1
    And the article is really rubbish. Here we can’t figure out the half-thieves, but the author again has to look for “brilliant gaidars”. The economy is bad in Russia - no doubt about it. With social services - a solid two. Although no, after living in China I will put three with two minuses. But the author is clearly pulling into the pit, not out of the pit. He suggests that we send the "bewildered government" overboard and urgently recruit "not bewildered" liberalizers of the economy, "masters of the market approach" and other "theorists from the HSE." This government became "confused" only after the owners of the States reminded that any "genius economy" is dust in comparison with the military force, which can take away this "economy". Before that, despite the crisis of 2008, these rulers did not get lost, but planned the subsequent privatization, I remember that exactly. The author proposes to change the awl not even to soap, but to a loop. The subtext just sticks out. I don't think you need to twitch. The idea of ​​pulling the economy out through the military-industrial complex is a great one. especially in the face of the growing demand for these products around the world, indirect thanks to Uncle Sam, waving a club and making a mess. The idea of ​​food security is great too. All this leads to the strengthening of state regulation, and I seriously hope that this will lead to a change in the selection system for the ruling elite. Further - time will tell. It is not necessary to break the forms, the main thing is to change the content. Stalin, for example, perfectly proved this by the example of the CPSU (b). This is not a praise for the Bolsheviks, but just an example of the replacement of a parasitic elite with a hard-working one.
    1. Sour
      Sour 7 October 2014 16: 30
      0
      Quote: andrew42
      Although no, after living in China I will put three with two minuses.

      Well, what about?
      Many people here call China "socialist".
      To understand what China is, it is enough to go to Europe. There are a lot of Chinese people working in the most low-profile jobs for a paltry salary. And there are many Chinese who come there to throw money, rent yachts and sports cars. A vivid picture of Chinese society. But here some only talk about "Chinese socialism".
  34. Gardamir
    Gardamir 7 October 2014 16: 37
    +5
    Specially recorded the names. Ulyukaev, Livanov, Kudrin, Gref, Dimon are listed. Almost all of them do not suit VO visitors. And only the president-hope still pleases everyone. But maybe we’ll go back 2 years ago and remember who recruited the government. It’s hard to get me crazy. But this stupid obstinacy that Putin is not a liberal is starting to strain.
  35. smith7
    smith7 7 October 2014 16: 37
    +1
    Judging by the comparable number of positive and negative assessments of this material, the topic is acute. However, only a few members of the forum are able to understand the essence, and even fewer people are well informed. Question: "What x ... artist has Russia lost?" Why speak up at all with a minimum of information and without the necessary training, as many have done? Cho, really, someone is able to assess the mutual influence of the reductions / increases mentioned in the article? And how much have economic indicators changed? The literacy of members of the government and its head can be assessed by members of the forum? How do sanctions affect the economy in the short / long term? These are questions (there are a number more than others) that I would like to ask and receive intelligible answers from the author of the material. And yet, was it known in advance about all the tasks and results of the Russia Calling Forum? I am incompetent, not informed, since this is not my professional profile, but I do not comment. There is a lot of material on VO with poorly substantiated conclusions. And we also allow ourselves to comment on this. Sorry, it hurts ... The cry of the soul ...
  36. mist4
    mist4 7 October 2014 16: 39
    0
    So maybe, well, him, is this the government? To throw the inept crew overboard and transfer the helm to the strong professional hands of people who are not afraid of change and chances. Easy, if only to know where to look for them. So far, we do not even have candidates for the steering wheel, so that we can select the most sane among them. There is no competition for alternative development programs, there is no image of the future, there are no personnel capable of not only embodying this image, but even formulating it

    But worthless, but loyal to the owner, and he, as you know, DOESN’T HIS OWN.
    1. Sour
      Sour 7 October 2014 16: 40
      0
      Quote: tuman4
      He, as you know, DOES NOT RENT OURS.

      Are you renting your own?
  37. capitosha1rang
    capitosha1rang 7 October 2014 16: 43
    0
    Not so bad.
    It is necessary to recall the system of selection and training of personnel of the "terrible Soviet era".
    Let us recall Comrade Stalin's “promoted” members - Malyshev, Voznesensky, Kosygin, hundreds and thousands of others.
    Are there such people in Russia now? Of course there is, but where else can they be?
    But - "the retinue makes the king."
    And everything is written about your retinue - "real guys", people who choose (if there is anything to choose from) the most incorrect (or, for someone, the right) option / path of development.
  38. Alexander I
    Alexander I 7 October 2014 16: 44
    +4
    The Donetsk residents sincerely believed that Putin would not allow their hometowns to be bombed, and if that happened, he would help with the difficulties of evacuation and the subsequent restoration of the region. But when they began to be put in frank huts or in worse places, their disappointment knew no bounds. Many simply began to return to their homes, which are still under fire from Ukrainian punitive forces. And I'm not talking about men and youths, but about women, old people and children - they are returning, they have preferred mortal danger to the bestial conditions of a hospitable neighbor. I don’t speak for everyone, because I know that not everything is so simple - some conditions are provided quite normal, while others prefer life in the basement than return to this hell ...

    In parallel with this, we again learned that our prices are astronomical, that in Ukraine a liter of milk can be bought for 16 Russian rubles (and even cheaper!), That a trip to the Kiev metro costs only 9 Russian rubles, that salaries in Russian regions are quite comparable to salaries in the regions of Ukraine. In order not to be unfounded, I propose to look at vacancies on the Russian Railways website: http: //social.rzd.ru/vacancy/public/ru? Region_id = ..

    And Russian Railways is the largest Russian state corporation, you can even say the flagship, where salaries are slightly higher than the regional average. An ordinary vacancy in the Krasnodar Territory with the pathos name "operator of electronic computers and computers" - 8 852 rubles. And live as you like - no iPhones, let alone mortgages and loans - even the Russian Kolomoisky has nothing to pay.

    And also in Ukraine, strangely enough, water and electricity are cheaper, and moreover, this impoverished country manages to pay the birth benefit not for the second child, but immediately for the first, and the amount of payment is quite comparable with the Russian one - about 120 thousand rubles for the first child , however, as well as for the second, third or any subsequent.

    I do not want to say that life in Ukraine is better, but the fact that it is comparable to Russian, and this with our infinite wealth, is a fact that cannot but cause other no less interesting questions, and with them the collapse of other legends and myths. As, for example, the myth of the “fifth” and “sixth columns”, as well as the myth of the “revolution from above”, which supposedly started back in February-March.
    1. Sour
      Sour 7 October 2014 16: 55
      0
      Tales do not tell about wonderful life in Ukraine. There, even gasoline is more expensive, although the population has significantly less cars than in Russia.
      Quote: Alexander I
      manages to pay the birth benefit not for the second child, but immediately from the first,

      Wow, how beautiful everything is there. Only for some reason, Ukraine has the penultimate birth rate in the post-Soviet space, only Lithuania behind.
      Quote: Alexander I
      An ordinary vacancy in the Krasnodar Territory with the pathos name "operator of electronic computers and computers" - 8 852 rubles.

      According full day nobody will pay that much. Or this bare salary, to which bonuses are many times higher. My subordinates have a salary of 5650, and the salary is more than 20000 net.
      Easily manipulate numbers.
    2. nvv
      nvv 7 October 2014 17: 01
      0
      Alexander, are these your words, or a reprint of some article?
      1. Sour
        Sour 7 October 2014 17: 06
        +1
        Judging by the breakdown into paragraphs, copied from some site or blog.
        1. nvv
          nvv 7 October 2014 17: 17
          0
          I want him to answer. And to talk
          1. nvv
            nvv 7 October 2014 17: 52
            0
            Well, no, no. It’s just that his posts were interesting, but here .... I wanted to talk .. So it’s not fate.
  39. corbeen
    corbeen 7 October 2014 17: 32
    0
    Article, some kind of "boat-swinging", IMHO.
  40. Listen grandfather
    Listen grandfather 7 October 2014 17: 38
    0
    I am also against the "bunnies" on board the liner
  41. Listen grandfather
    Listen grandfather 7 October 2014 17: 38
    0
    I am also against the "bunnies" on board the liner
  42. zvědavost
    zvědavost 7 October 2014 18: 07
    +1
    In a country where 140 million people live, there can be no staff shortage. There is no volitional vector for positive shifts in the economy to begin in the country. The reason is one, read Marx: the will of the class that is in power, who has property in its hands, is being realized in the country. Who has the largest property in our country? You will probably say that they are oligarchs. Yes, not there - it was. All are controlled by officials and their property interests are represented in any large business. An official, unlike a capitalist, does not count on a long-term opportunity to "pump" capital. He has a short life span while he occupies a nomenclature chair. Therefore, everyone is dragged and fed "as they can". Therefore, big business does not feel calm in a country where there is no stability, since officials are constantly changing the rules of the game. In fact, at the end of the 80s a quiet revolution was ripe and accomplished, when party apparatchiks and Soviet officials, together with Soviet directors, pulled the blanket on themselves from the proletariat, and became the masters of everything that was created by the people. Therefore, no matter how you twist it, nothing will come of it without breaking the system. And the GDP only strengthens this bureaucratic vertical, because it is part of this system, and Medvedev is part of the system. Therefore, there will most likely not be fundamental changes, there will be minor cosmetic repairs, which will allow to keep everything afloat for some time.
  43. bubla5
    bubla5 7 October 2014 18: 09
    +1
    Damn, here they are in power, two Eureka Chubais and Gref, and they were still with the drunk now, so what has changed, stupid economists are bad, there was a guaranteed future under the USSR, and with you a rotten and smelly future
  44. Normal
    Normal 7 October 2014 18: 39
    +6
    Ah yes Super! Ah yes duper son!
    Well, all of him are worthless "those that are", accustomed to manage with a growth rate of 5% and in conditions of stable (not just stable, but steadily growing) oil prices, and only Infallible is not included in this mediocre team.
    And who appointed them, let me ask you?
    Who covered their authority?
    Who protected them from criticism?
    Who determined the policy?
    I AM? Vasya Pupkin? Obama and the State Department?
    NOT! This President was selected and appointed by the PRESIDENT! and he does not deserve any sympathy.
    And all these tales about the fact that
    - Vladimir Putin, on the one hand, had previously set a complex task before the government, known as the “May Decrees,” but on the other hand, they were not binding. At first they were quietly sabotaged, and now with the draft budget submitted for 2015 – 17. actually merged into the scrap in terms of the growth rate of salaries of state employees;

    exactly fairy tales for primary school students. If the RESPONSIBILITY for the fulfillment of the President's instructions is not established, THAT IS A GOSH PRICE to his instructions and "complex tasks"

    It is high time to admit that all (or almost all) of the economic "successes" of Putin's rule are not his merit (as pro-government officials like the author of the article have more than once argued), but the result of the conjuncture of the world market. And the authorities did not care about the country and the people, but about personal interests. We were just lucky that in some ways the interests of the Putin team sometimes coincided with our interests.
    Now everything will be tougher.
    So maybe, well, it is the government? To dump an incompetent crew overboard of history and transfer the steering wheel to the strong professional hands of people who are not afraid of changes and chances. Easy, if only to know where to find them. So far, we do not even have applicants for the steering wheel, so that you can select the most sane among them. There is no competition for alternative development programs, there is no image of the future, there are no personnel capable of not only embodying this image, but even formulating it.

    Putin had 15 years to create a stable political system. Instead, he spent time clearing a political clearing.
    Putin had enough time to select the right, talented staff. Instead, he held and shuffled on top of the same incompetent power and gold-loving characters who had compromised themselves.
    So now we need to sympathize and not GDP.
    Although...
    Shouted "Putin knows everything!" Well, that means rightly so ...
  45. basmach
    basmach 7 October 2014 20: 20
    +3
    I fully agree with "NORMAL". On more than one occasion, in response to cries about "wisdom and genius", VVP asked to name at least one industry in Russia in which, during his reign, the situation did not at least worsen (let alone improve). There are downsides, but no answers. And yet, look at the current government, or rather their education. The industry minister has no engineering education. And it would be better for Gref to shut up about literacy. Studying in 90-93. in graduate school at the Leningrad Law University, could not defend his thesis, defended his dissertation only in 2011 (topic "Development and prospects of structural institutional reforms in the Russian economy") Truly, every cook climbs to run the state, but alas, cannot.
  46. Roman 11
    Roman 11 7 October 2014 21: 03
    +3
    Except for how to redistribute oil factories, the liberals have not learned anything for 23 years ........ because they have always been idiots.
  47. tokens2
    tokens2 7 October 2014 21: 20
    0
    Of course I apologize but ..
    There are no economists in our country! Simply not! Like the Goskomstat, what \ how much \ we produce and with what costs in production.
    There are no mass job descriptions at enterprises, organizations with differentiation of responsibility, as a result: constant squabble who is responsible for what.
    Corruption component everywhere in all articles, these expenses can not be recorded.
    As a result, basic economic planning is an endless headache for everyone.
    And without a plan, it is impossible to push the country forward.
    So ... in fact, these herds of effective managers have remained herds. For the most part.
    It is necessary among the officials to develop the farming movement. Land to the officials !!! laughing
    Yes ... well, the 44 federal law needs to be finalized. This was set up by ordinary people who work with him-insane fines, shifting responsibility from managers to executors. And without giving any authority and rights to the contract manager.
  48. I think so
    I think so 7 October 2014 22: 43
    0
    Russia seems to have ONE opportunity to SAVE - REPEAT 1917. With the coming to power of people with an ideology, a goal (saving the country and the population), and a vision of how to achieve this goal. Roughly speaking, AGAIN TO TAKE COMMUNISM in one interpretation or another ... All other options are the path to the disappearance of both the old and the population ... Well, about the current grief of the "leaders" so here WITHOUT OPTIONS - you can't poop, don't torment your ass ... go away yourself before you lift the pitchfork ...
  49. Hope1960
    Hope1960 7 October 2014 23: 40
    0
    After reading all the comments, you come to the conclusion that we shouldn't have returned to capitalism! Rather, we were forced to return, as America realized that the USSR would not catch up! We had, and still have, a huge country. We cannot do without planning, we cannot do without the role of the state .... I will not read polit and economics! We, ordinary people, still think in Soviet categories: social justice, approximately the same level of wages, kindergartens for everyone, free medicine, an eight-hour day, a trade union permit and school uniforms. And to us, once - and capitalism !!!! Oligarchic!!! (Have all passed Scientific Communism?) And now we want social justice from the capitalist? Putin is trying to convince the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs and snatch money from them for one project, then for another. But after all, everyone will be taken over the hill! And you cannot frighten the "rich Buratino", and you cannot offend the people. And then Ukraine was blown up! So spin as you want! The current ministers are out-of-date in America, they don't know any other way. Yes, it is not enough to be a patriot, you also have to be a specialist, and vice versa. It remains to be hoped that young professional patriots are growing up and studying!
    1. Tor hummer
      Tor hummer 8 October 2014 01: 16
      -1
      Quote: Hope1960
      Rather, we were forced to return, as America realized that the USSR would not catch up!

      The USSR lost almost all over the USA. What could the USA not catch up with the USSR? Please voice at least one example.
  50. Amper
    Amper 8 October 2014 00: 59
    +2
    The fact that power goes forward like a cancer, back to front, is visible in everything. And in the Minsk agreements and in the positive reaction of the West. Well, Rus, come on, come on, bow, I'll let you eat .. in terms of offshore accounts, we’ll uncover and don’t need to plow arable land, raise your farm. The sanctions will be lifted and again foreigners will immediately trample on a rampage, the peasant and the worker who raised his head were bored.
    You have to be a complete dumbass in the economy, or a trivial speculator of the Motherland, in order to order the Mistral and Boeing from a potential enemy, taking away bread and other things from your own people.
    Of course, rebellion, Maidan in today's Russia is not an option, it is shaky from all sides, but you can’t see any lumen either. Around financial flows and at the helm as before, mediocrity, thieves and crooks. The author is right here.
    I do not think that we should rely on the young. What examples do they learn from? Stole, shared, relax on the sea? All in chocolate!
    Earlier in the USSR there was a school of young workers and specialists. It was impossible to retire without raising a replacement! And taught and proud of the continuity.
    And now they study, but nowhere to work. To the office, but over the counter.
    Vile, that's all.
    If the Donbass is strangled, everything will return to square one. And Raseyushka will go further up the stairs leading down.
    Great Rome, too, fell from laziness, profligacy and overeating ...