French Minister of Defense: The decision to supply "Mistral" will be taken in late October - early November

During a press conference at the Pentagon, French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said that the Mistral-class Vladivostok helicopter carrier built by order of the Russian Federation could be handed over to the customer at the scheduled time - in late October or early November and the political process will begin in Ukraine.

“As for the supply of command and landing ships, which were built at the French shipbuilding plant, they should be delivered to Russia, which acts as a client of the enterprise. The decision will be made at the moment when the delivery time is suitable. It should be the end of October - the beginning of November, ”the politician quoted as saying. "Vesti".

The head of the defense department also stressed that earlier French President Francois Hollande announced the conditions for the completion of the contract.

“He outlined two elements - a long ceasefire and the beginning of a serious political process. The decision will be made on the basis of this, ”the minister said.

It is worth noting that earlier, Deputy Foreign Minister Alexei Meshkov reported that at the moment work on the contract for the supply of French helicopter carriers to Russia is proceeding as planned.

Comments

[Same lech]

The French are in full priest ..... USA, Poles, Balts squeal like piglets do not give MISTRALS ..... and at the same time the Franks understand that failure to fulfill the contract is the loss of their rank as a reliable partner.

The Hindus will look at this and say to hell we have concluded a contract with PARIS for the delivery of the RAPHAELS .... may refuse to not get into trouble like RUSSIA.

[Sakhalininsk]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

The French in full priest ....

But their eyeglass-eyed flapper will be proud to receive a pair of cookies from the legs of an eared monkey :)
In fact, let them keep it for ourselves, we will get a forfeit, and you can build the technical documentation and we have already received the full barge and the entire contents of the barge :)

[anip]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

The Hindus will look at this and say to hell we have concluded with PARIS a contract for the supply of RAFAELS .... may refuse

If a contract is concluded, then they will not be able to refuse without consequences for themselves.

[Same lech]

India, against the background of the refusal of the Elysee Palace to supply the Mistral helicopter carrier to Russia, may refuse to purchase the French Rafale fighters. The cost of the contract, which has been under negotiation for a long time, should amount to $ 20 billion.
India may refuse to purchase French Rafale fighters due to the fact that Paris suspended the delivery of the Mistral to Russia. This was stated by the chairman of the All-Russian Fleet Support Movement Mikhail Nenashev, reports Kommersant FM.
"I have already spoken about penalties, I meant not only a purely financial point of view, but also a reputation one. Yesterday or today in India they are discussing the project from the point of view of whether to make a contract with the French for fighters," Nenashev said.
The contract for the supply of "Rafale" from France to India has been discussed for a long time, but not signed. The deal is expected to be worth $ 20 billion.

[zadorin1974]

Just for India, there will be an option to jump off the contract, without consequences for itself, on the basis of France's recognition as an "Unreliable partner" in connection with the delivery to Russia. Moreover, the precedent may become very loud, the next in line may be the Germans with training grounds for the Armed Forces RF

[Evgen4ik]

French in full pope

The French are in full priest, because France is a simple country ** a duck, however, like Ukraine and almost all of Europe. Tok is France, dear confused, and Hohland cheap. That’s the whole explanation. Charles de Gaulle in a coffin turns over.

[enot73]

Hollande hit the hens like a chuck. Full ass. Either Russia pay a forfeit or the Poles throw apples like grenades.

[siberalt]

Whoa! Who needs Mistrals? And silence. Yeah, where do they go? If everything depends on the delivery time, then their violation entails separate contractual penalties. There is also pure pragmatism. The rest is politics.

[enot73]

Quote: siberalt

Whoa! Who needs Mistrals? And silence

Only freeloaders - dill responded.

[aktanir]

France will not lose its status of a "reliable supplier"; these are all verbal manipulations of the ruling circles of Russia in the hope that the French themselves will be afraid of this. And in general, if we want to get the Mistrals, then it was necessary initially at the government level to prohibit our press from disseminating any information about this deal. And thus exclude speculation. It is clear, however, that the United States and Europe "monitor" public opinion in our country. And in order to hurt us as much as possible, their "yes" or, more often, "no" is said in the questions that are most important and of wide interest to us. If we didn’t give a damn about these Mistrals, and the press did not cover anything on this topic and there was no hype, then, believe me, much less attention was paid to this deal in the West. And the ships acted as planned.

[Момент]

Even before the transfer they’d change their minds two hundred times. In general, they can take it apart and sell it to Europe as souvenirs according to the established authority of France.

[pazuhinm]

These all fucking Scientologists have one mantra: a ceasefire and the beginning of a serious political process.

Yes, let them beat their Mistral in their port ... and calm down already

[Giant thought]

The French themselves stood in the pose of cancer, they themselves were to blame for the fact that they could not ensure their sovereignty and were turning into an American poodle.

[crazyrom]

Hindus will look at this and say to hell we have concluded a contract with PARIS for the delivery of RAFAELS

Hindus bought from Paris WHAT ??

[crazyrom]

Hindus will look at this and say to hell we have concluded a contract with PARIS for the delivery of RAFAELS

Hindus bought from Paris WHAT ??

[Roman1970]

Where will they go, they will give the Mistrals ... They also realize that failure to fulfill obligations entails a negative attitude towards France as a reliable partner ... What a pity ... It would be better to get a forfeit ...

[Panikovsky]

especially in the light of national French avarice with an obligation to pay a penalty.

[spech]

they have no choice but to give, and if they don’t give it away, what will they do! this is not a bucket of potatoes will not sell quickly, it’s also unprofitable to leave yourself, to cut metal
PS + penalty

[McLuha-MacLeod]

Yes, they already got it with these Ministry of Construction! French prostitutes!

[Bear in the north]

will be taken in late December - early November
Is that a typo?
They are like a chicken and an egg with these Mistrals. Gentlemen, you will decide.

[PValery53]

French leaders have "forgotten" that the Mistral contract does not contain any political loopholes for sanctions. And what do they prove to us with their antics? That they are more important than us? - Let them try, for a penalty (frogs overeat).
The title of the article "end of December-beginning of November". What, December before November? And inside the article, they probably meant the end of October or the beginning of November.

[Name]

The transfer of Vladivostok to Russia is a pain in the ass to France, the penalty has not been canceled .. This is the case when the sanctions play against the initiators.

[venzim]

In any case, Russia will win, they won’t deliver - it’s a forfeit, they will deliver, it means the USA has lost in the sanctions war.

[yana532912]

Unhappy Frenchmen! They are afraid to refuse their owner, and disaster will lose money. So rushing around. Mistral was built by a private company, not by the state, and the owners will never allow them to be accused of not fulfilling the terms of the contract. The loss of face, not only of the company, but of France as a whole. Getting the stigma of an unreliable partner is fraught.

[Turk]

The decision on the supply of Mistral will be made in late December - early November ...... How is this to be understood? Will they decide another year?

[cidr777]

Well, you’re as simple as that ... this way or that. Do you know who to lie under for more expensive? Not a government, but a bunch of pid ... s.

[silverwolf88]

But with the Mistrals, in my opinion, it’s not interesting anymore ...
they’ll set it up - well ... you can ride around the World ... for example, to Cuba where we started drilling in the Gulf ...
but they won’t deliver - the contractual penalty will be useful to our budget ... we have gained experience in designing our plants and it will be possible to take up our own projects in this area ...
In general, any option is good in its own way)))

[Loner_53]

But do we really need this (a miracle of shipbuilding)? In our climatic conditions, it seems like not.

[Kostyar]

Loner_53 (2) RU Today, 08:43 AM New

But do we really need this (a miracle of shipbuilding)? In our climatic conditions, it seems like not.


It seems to me that this miracle is better than waste paper from American money, where to put it if something happens ...?

[Magic archer]

And you want and it’s prickling!

[pensioner]

Give back-100%. Greed is the main national trait of the French. So: give. Before amers a little rumble about the conditions that they put Russia. Well, that really would not look so daring - that's all ...

[Balamyt]

........... French President Francois Hollande announced the terms of the contract .....

Complete nonsense! Under the contract, Russia paid for everything! Now this fuss is vile with some conditions there! Yes, yes! No, no! Zadolbali already!
You don’t want to give, and don’t have to. Pay a forfeit and carry firewood on your "mistrals". It looks like the winter will be cold! It is worth considering this question already.

[Camille_73]

I don’t understand these French at all, can someone explain?
"Mistrals" are supplied to Russia, the war in Ukraine, according to all assurances we are not participating there !! so tell everyone and calmly supply mistrals
also with sanctions, even if it is imposed against Ukraine, we have nothing to do with it.
if for the Crimea, then say so!
We will wait for the victory of politics or money!

[parusnik]

if a ceasefire is respected and the political process in Ukraine begins... Here I am 100% sure that this condition is not spelled out in the contract, nor in the additional agreement ..

[dr.star75]

All the same, "Vladik" will be given back. With "Seva" It is not clear yet.

[Gardamir]

Why did you decide that if you do not put the Mistral, you will pay a forfeit? The penalty will be included in the next package of sanctions. And about partners, all this is liberal demagogy.

[Alexander67]

I just want to say, "You go to ... ooo with your mistrals!" We got political prostitutes. Soon it will not be France but Pedarancia. Go and suck at the amers, they will love you.

[RUSOIVAN]

will give back, not discussed: ours are not worried about this: all the news is from there, from the "THAT" camp!

[Bronik]

There was nothing about the sanctions in the supply agreement, so be kind enough to fulfill the obligations. Although IMHO, we do not need these boats.

[kostyan77708]

meanwhile Moscow achieved nuclear parity with Washington
For the first time since the beginning of the 3st century, Russia has caught up with the United States in the number of all carriers of nuclear weapons. About this write on Friday, October XNUMX, "Vedomosti" with reference to data published by the US State Department.

Russia was able to catch up both in the number of nuclear weapons carriers in the Strategic Nuclear Forces (SNF) and in the number of warheads on deployed carriers. Data on the number of nuclear weapons was provided to Washington by Moscow as part of the Russian-American Strategic Offensive Arms Treaty (START-3).

Does START-3 take into account deployed nuclear weapon carriers? - nuclear submarines with ballistic missiles (SSBNs), strategic bombers and intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) land-based, as well as non-deployed carriers (in particular, missiles unloaded from submarines) and warheads on deployed carriers.

As explained by the head of the Russian Nuclear Weapons project, Pavel Podvig, parity was achieved thanks to the adoption of the new project 955, equipped with Bulava missiles with several warheads, for the adoption of nuclear submarines. At the end of 2014, the second submarine of this type, Alexander Nevsky, was armed with 16 missiles, each of which was equipped with six warheads.

In addition, Yars missiles with three warheads replaced the Topol-M intercontinental ballistic missiles with one warhead. Thus, according to the expert, by 2018, when certain START-3 restrictions for both parties come into force, parity between the two countries will remain.

At the same time, Podvig noted that formal parity does not mean much, since the United States periodically underestimates the number of declared carriers and warheads, for example, when setting up for repair of nuclear submarines.

START-3 was signed in 2011. According to him, the United States and Russia should reduce the total number of nuclear warheads to 1550, of which no more than 800 can be on combat duty. Moreover, the number of deployed strategic carriers ─ intercontinental ballistic missiles, ballistic missiles of submarines and heavy strategic bombers - should be reduced up to 700 units.
http://news.mail.ru/politics/19717239/?frommail=1

[kostyan77708]

Quote: turk

The decision on the supply of Mistral will be made in late December - early November ...... How is this to be understood? Will they decide another year?

in the contracts there are strictly agreed terms, violation of which will lead to a forfeit ... France was caught between a rock and a hard place, and she has no options to jump out from there, tk. on the one hand, upon the breakdown of the contract, the forfeit and loss of face in front of potential customers, on the other hand, during the fulfillment of the contract, Fashington will clench a fist in which Oland's eggs are securely clamped .... now let them scratch their turnips, and we'll see how venzim SU said anyway in the black!

[northerner lech]

And why is everyone so sure that the frogmen will give the money back? They will take it and hold on, and the whole democratic world will support it. No courts can help, it’s clear that you can do anything about us, throw, cheat, double standards. What if then ships no money?

[RAE8]

What is there to think. The Poles said what to do.

[GUKTU]

I hope that our military-political leadership from the Mistral story will draw the right conclusions. You can’t do defense. orders in countries of potential opponents. I think the French are unlikely to pay a penalty. In the best case, they will simply return the money

[bmv04636]

And with the stern parts not everything is so simple, it is possible to argue for them if anything.

[galka]

Yes, send them all, and build your own, do not die and go.

[Dies Irae]

- You can only regret the French.
First, the contract for the supply of Mistrals is a purely economic project. That is, our country paid money to the French so that they could collect these giants, and they were partially made by us. But then suddenly Ukraine happens and the contract goes to hell, because the USA. And the EU. A very reliable partner, don't you think?
Secondly, the French are like clowns with these throwing things of their own: "We'll give it up ... no, we won't! .. We'll give it up if ... Perhaps we'll give it up ... No! We'll sell NATO!" Business reputation can only be wiped off now. If the Indians then begin to conclude contracts with them for the supply of fighters, I will think very badly for the Indians.
Thirdly, inside France itself, the French themselves are clearly dissatisfied with these throwings. Because they understand how stupid and ridiculous they look in the world, and not only and not so much in the eyes of Russia, and because the order of the Mistrals provided more than a thousand people with jobs, which greatly benefited the French economy.
In general ... friendship with the USA always turns into troubles for you - and sometimes suffering. Do not be friends with liberal fascists and you will be happy.

[asadov]

In a word - in any situation, France is in deep .......

[Dbnfkmtdbx]

Yes, let the Americans and their owners beat up one place in general to abandon these southern marbles, I didn’t understand that the government generally didn’t build military equipment from potential enemies who were invading France, a NATO member, or they were ready to sell their homeland for the sake of kickbacks

[Dies Irae]

- Why is everything so bad? In the event that the Mistrals do end up with us, our military specialists will have an excellent example of Western high-tech weapons. Or, you think, in vain in the Crimea they undertook to train fighting dolphins again? They just need to tell them where to swim ...

[Strashila]

There is a chance not to earn much ... we will not miss it, we will build ships in Russia with this money.

[engineer74]

Receive a forfeit, build, with this money, "Borey" and solemnly announce: "For the principled position of the French government, the coordinates of French cities are inscribed in golden letters / numbers in the flight missions of the new nuclear submarine missiles! Many thanks!"

[Eggor]

Vladivostok returned to Saint-Nazaire:

[Eggor]

The Vladivostok landing helicopter dock with the second Russian crew on board completed the tasks of a training voyage at sea and returned to the port of Saint-Nazaire, where the STX shipyard is located.

"Vladivostok" returned to the quay wall in Saint-Nazaire almost at midnight Moscow time. All the tasks of going to sea, which lasted ten days, were completed without serious remarks. The ship with the second Russian crew worked out maneuvers in the Bay of Biscay on the traverse of the port of Saint-Nazaire. There were 250 of our sailors and about 200 shipyard specialists on it, "said a source at the General Staff of the Russian Navy. He noted that the Vladivostok was at sea under a French flag. (Navy.ru)

[ISKANDER25]

Hello! WILL GIVE HOW CUTE-show-off in front of the states and give it back by the end of the contract date, well, maybe with a little delay! Otherwise, they will stick to not frail grandmothers, they will undermine their reputation, like fig partners, and if they also take our stern, then where are they? "good" denut ??? !!!

[Eggor]

Quote: ISKANDER25

Otherwise, not frail grandmothers will stick

"Rosoboronexport's lawyers have been instructed to start preparing all possible claims against DCNS," a Russian source linked to the Mistral supply to Russia told Jane's. DCNS is a French state defense shipbuilding company that has been contracted for the Mistrals. The source noted that at the same time, Russia hopes that France will nevertheless supply the ships, despite statements about a possible freeze of the contract.

The source also said that if the contract is terminated, France will pay about 3 billion euros. "The contract contains a clause on direct compensation in case the French side fails to fulfill its obligations. The amount of compensation from DCNS will amount to 1,05 billion euros," he said. In addition, according to him, the Russian side has the right to recover through the court all costs incurred in connection with the construction and transportation of the aft parts of the ships to France (the stern of each ship was built in Russia). If successful, the amount of additional compensation could reach 1,8 billion euros. (navy.ru)

[ISKANDER25]

Hello Egor! Thanks for the detailed disclosure of the question! +

[Eggor]

Good afternoon, Alexander! I would like to add that the collection of direct (under contract) compensation seems quite probable. It is more difficult with indirect ones, the trial can still drag on, and, not the fact, that it will be successful. And so, as a basis for compensation for the costs incurred, one could still screw on:

- construction of the appropriate infrastructure in Vladivostok (if it is possible to prove the uniqueness of the structures, and, albeit partial, but the impossibility of using Pacific Fleet by other ships without the cost of re-equipment. Or in general, complete lack of demand in the absence of UDC).

- costs incurred for the development and production of marine helicopters, training, education and maintenance of pilots, technical personnel and medical staff of two hospitals (which will be unclaimed in case of non-delivery).

[Bayonet]

Quote: ISKANDER25

, and if you also take our feed

How? Saw off the grinder?

[ISKANDER25]

Hello Alexander, they will do the stern as described above!

[Sergey Sitnikov]

))) My wife is French ???? Also cloudy in her speeches and thoughts - "if you don't drink this month at all, then I will not take money from you, which I would ask from your next fee, and then you will have more for fun after your current spending !!!!!" ...
Gentlemen, I already sat down, asked to repeat, and when she repeated (and if she didn’t get confused, it means that she was cooking), they laughed for a couple! Maybe the French should first read their speeches out loud to a court of independent experts?

[Stinger]

The main European value is greed. She will win.

[Cristall]

in light of the fact that "Truce" is actively talking with guns and corpses ... Mistrals will be detained. Of course they will not be able not to give (the USA is busy) but they can delay as much as they want.
Compensation, too, the Russian Federation will not receive.
That way, you can compensate anything you want ... Why is only the Russian Federation waiting for compensation .. everyone has filed a lawsuit somewhere and is waiting for "compensation" .. but not everyone is paid.
Off-topic. When will the fleet from Sevastopol be given to Odessa? (Those ships that are still languishing in captivity)
After all, they are also being "detained" officially. A small parallel between the "delays" of the Mistral and the Ukrainian fleet.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Cristall

but they can delay as much as you like.

What do you mean "as much as you like"? For a delay - not fulfilling the terms of the contract, it is customary to pay money!

[Diter]

Quote: northerner Lyokha

And why is everyone so sure that the paddlers will give the money back? They will take it and push themselves back, and the whole democratic world will support it.

And we will sell their debts to Kadyrov. He vividly puts Hollande on the counter.

[kind]

Enough is enough for us to fight for these troughs. They don’t want to. Only our money is back and the penalty will be paid immediately, and if not immediately with interest.

[castle]

Good health to all.
We have jokes about the French army (about the French Defense Ministry). There are several reasons. And our interaction with them in Yugoslavia and in Afghanistan. (But, Medicine and logistics they have a 5 plus) Here are two of the jokes:
1) The gearbox of the French tank is 6 speeds. One forward and five back.
2) Why do French APCs have such large rear-view mirrors? So that the crew of the armored personnel carrier can clearly see what is being done on the front line.

[Bayonet]

“He identified two elements - a long ceasefire and the beginning of a serious political process. A decision will be made on this basis. ”- Were such circumstances stipulated in the contract? If not, the question arises - on what basis are such conditions advanced for us? How will the delay in the delivery of ships to the customer be compensated? Not to mention a deal break.

[X Y Z]

I would like to start with a thought from "The Adventures of the Gallant Soldier Schweik" - you don't know a good fellow Magyars. In our case, the French. It is usually customary to talk about the frugality of the Scandinavians, the frugality of the Germans, the stinginess of the Jews, etc. These guys did not stand next to the French! Who has been to Europe knows this very well. And it was correctly written in previous articles that it will be very troublesome and difficult to get us a favor for the undelivered Mistral. These guys will find a lot of leads that allow them, if not to pay at all, then drag out the process for years and challenge the amount of payments. Moreover, the arbitration will obviously take place in one of the Western capitals, so the politicization of a purely economic dispute will be 100% ensured. Informational pressure on the court and support will also be guaranteed. So if anyone hopes for quick, easy and large sums, let him not deceive himself.

[abc_alex]

Well, still, let's not forget that, if desired, Russia can also begin to do nasty things. For example, to arrest all Air France aircraft in Russia at the same time. And close her flight over our territory.

Pressure and the media are one thing. And contract execution is different. It is unlikely that any court would risk justifying the non-performance of the contract for political reasons. So after all it is possible to run into such relapses, it will not seem to anyone.

[zavesa01]

How to excuse me ... but on the group sex I want to earn money too and it hurts.
PS I apologize for being rude.