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Kremlin's strategic mistake?

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Kremlin's strategic mistake?Everything that we see in recent days in the international arena and, above all, around the events connected with Ukraine and Novorossia, says only one thing. Washington and its allies put an ultimatum to the Kremlin, which is becoming tougher every day, and Russia is desperately making efforts to form a compromise and preserve the "existing status quo."

This line is reflected in the Minsk protocols, and in the speeches of Lavrov at the UN General Assembly, and at numerous press conferences of representatives of the Russian "power vertical". It is significant that the president himself remains silent in this verbal war, since, apparently, he also wants to preserve the "peace", even more than that, to restore some constructive interaction with the "western partners". The political leadership of Russia could not understand that Washington, and with it the whole of NATO Europe, took the course of inflicting a full-scale defeat of Russia in Ukraine. And this will find expression in the second, more prepared attack of the Kiev junta on Novorossia.

Speech by Barack Obama at the 69 session of the UN General Assembly 24 September, a joint statement by the G7 seven foreign ministers 25 September, violations of the Kiev junta truce in Ukraine, unrest in Hong Kong and Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region of China, revitalization of the Islamic Caliphate in the Middle East with threats against Russia, - all these pieces of the mosaic are gradually forming a coherent and dangerous picture. It is even more disturbing that no adequate response to these actions by the West from Moscow, and, especially, Beijing has not yet been observed. As if nothing had happened, spacecraft with Russian and American cosmonauts take off to the ISS, our gas and oil flow into Europe, and the money for Russian resources continues to “spin” by hook and crook in the Western economy. From Russia, “pacifying” signals are being sent to the “Washington Regional Committee” and its European branches, and the stronger they are, the more “weaker” are the US and its allies in the international arena. It is possible that the whole Kremlin’s “peace plan” implies a different scenario than unconditional surrender to the victor’s mercy, but the window of opportunity for its realization is catastrophically shrinking with each passing day, Russia's positions are becoming less strong in the international arena, and the political and the socio-economic situation in our country is slowly but steadily destabilizing. The Americans strike each of their new blows in the “hybrid” war against Russia only after they are convinced that the previous one had achieved the goal and there was no smashing answer to it. Here, inevitably, Gorbachev is recalled with his "new political thinking", the essence of which was to surrender everything and everyone for the sake of "peace on earth." What came of this is known. Almost the same thing that happened in the 30 of the last century with the "pacification" of Hitler's Third Reich.

So it turns out that so far the most tough and frank assessment of the actions of the "Obama team" is given by his political opponents in the United States, for whom this criticism is an integral part of the preparations for the November 4 congressional elections in November 2014 and for the presidential elections 2016.

"It is absolutely inconceivable to observe how the President of the United States confronts the whole world and speaks blatant lies that everyone sees while simultaneously demonstrating double standards and the belief that Washington has the right to violate all laws because of the exclusivity and irreplaceability of the United States. It is even more inconceivable that no one I did not get up from those present and did not leave the meeting. The diplomats sat and listened to this blatant lie ... They even applauded as a sign of support! " - such an assessment of the 40 minute speech by Barack Obama at the UN was given by the ultra-Republican Paul Roberts.

As you know, there is no more blatant lie than a half-truth. The half-truth "from Barack Obama" - in particular, on the Ukrainian issue - was this: "When Ukrainians mobilized public protest and called for reforms, the corrupt president fled. The Crimea was annexed, contrary to the will of the government in Kiev. Russia pumped weapon in eastern Ukraine, supporting the separatists and the conflict that killed thousands. When the plane was shot down from the territories controlled by these proxy structures, for many days they refused to give access to the crash site. And when Ukraine began to regain control of its territories, Russia stopped creating the appearance of simply supporting the separatists and sent in troops. "

The second part of the truth, about which Obama was silent, is that:

- "mobilization of public protest" in Ukraine in the form of "euromaidan" was carried out by the US State Department and special services, as well as their agents in the government of Yanukovych and "non-state organizations" of neo-Nazi persuasion;

- “Ukraine’s corrupt president” fled not because “Ukrainians called for reforms”, but under tough pressure from the United States and their European allies who helped carry out the February 21 coup d'état of 22, while the candidacies of those “Maidan leaders” “which became part of the new“ government of Ukraine ”were actually approved by the US State Department (see Victoria Nuland’s negotiations with the US Ambassador to Kiev, Jeffrey Payette);

- “the conflict that killed thousands” was unleashed by the new “government in Kiev”, which looked through all the crimes of the “Maidan” militants, but used the army against the first peaceful protests of residents of the south-east of Ukraine who disagreed with the neo-Nazi massacre;
- Malaysian "Boying" was not shot down by a rocket from territories controlled by "pro-Russian separatists", - all objective evidence suggests that this tragedy was organized and carried out by Western intelligence services as the "second series" of September 11 terrorist attacks of the year "(the same Paul Roberts writes about it like this: "The whole world knows that Washington ... refuses to submit photos of the destruction of the Malaysian airliner, that Ukraine refuses to provide instructions to air traffic controllers who were given to the liner, that Washington is hindering the real IAOD that European experts have pointed to the bullet holes in the skin of the aircraft is not provided with any explanation why the Ukrainian fighter jets chased the plane, following the instructions Ukrainian air traffic controllers. ");

- Finally, Russia did not enter its troops not the territory of Ukraine.

The US allies were quick to express their solidarity with Obama, literally the day after his speech, signing a joint statement stating: “Russia must immediately fulfill its obligations under the Minsk Agreement, including the withdrawal of all its troops, weapons and equipment from Ukraine, the border between the two countries, when monitored by the OSCE, and ensuring the release of all hostages. Russia must also ensure that all commitments under the Minsk Agreement and the lzhenie political process in Ukraine ... We reiterate our condemnation of the illegal attempt by Russia to annex Crimea ". In this regard, it is worth noting that "the withdrawal from Ukraine of all its troops, weapons and equipment" means for the West complete Russian evacuation from the Crimea as well.

"In recent weeks, we have introduced a number of additional agreed sanctions against Russia. Sanctions are not an end in themselves, but they can be revoked only if Russia fulfills its cease-fire obligations and the Minsk Agreement and respects Ukraine’s sovereignty. Otherwise we are still ready to make Russia pay even more for non-fulfillment of obligations, ”the document says.

How did our country, publicly accused from the UN rostrum in all mortal sins and set before the ultimatum about the actual surrender, respond to this? At least at the diplomatic level? The speech of Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on September 27 was maintained in the same conciliatory tone: they say that the relations between Moscow and Washington need a “second reset”, we are striving for dialogue and we keep it even in the present, “very truncated and shortened form”, we interested in normalizing relations, although we did not destroy them, and so on.

In support of this position, an agreement was reached in Berlin, according to which Russian gas deliveries in the amount of 5 billion cubic meters to the territory of Ukraine should be resumed without any guarantees of payment for these supplies by the Kiev junta, but in exchange for promising payment of past debts. "We will not let the Ukrainians freeze!" - triumphantly commented on this news Barack Obama. Meanwhile, under the flag of the "Minsk truce" over 650, the military personnel of Ukraine and those who arrived on its territory "to participate in the exercises" of NATO special forces with the support of artillery and heavy equipment that beat "on the squares", that is, in residential quarters, broke through to Donetsk airport blocked by militias . Neo-Nazi terror will be spread over the territory of the South-East, which until now has "remained aloof" from the conflict - the example of Kharkov is evidence of this. The inevitable resumption of hostilities will take place in much less favorable conditions for the army of New Russia than it was before the armistice.
In other words, restoring the “dokrymsky” status quo in the international arena is impossible. Russia was chosen as another victim of the West not at all because of the events in Ukraine - on the contrary, the events in Ukraine were provoked by the West in order to strike at Russia. Because the campaign around “violations of the rights of sexual minorities”, “violations of children's rights for adoption” and other “tolerant” husks could not be a reason for such a blow and were used as a “warm-up” of anti-Russian sentiments in Western society.

The March of Peace 21 September was clearly timed to the arrival in Moscow of the new American Ambassador John Tefft, was a kind of "parade of the pro-American opposition" - a show of strength for all those who are ready to build personal and corporate well-being on the ruins of a national catastrophe. Compare with Obama's speech the advance of the "round table" of the opposition and the resolution of the "peace march" published on the Internet, stating:

- that the political leadership of Russia is carrying out criminal aggression against a neighboring sovereign state, i.e. Ukraine;

- that this aggression became possible as a result of the dishonest and unfree elections of 2011 – 2012, which resulted in Putin and his entourage concentrating enormous uncontrolled power, both executive, legislative and judicial;

- that in Russia the fascist-type regime is rapidly forming;

- that Russia should withdraw its troops from the territory of Ukraine (including the Crimea? - auth.) And stop propaganda, material and military support to the separatists in the South-East of Ukraine;

- that a criminal investigation into the facts of unlawful coercion by the Russian authorities of Russian military personnel to take part in hostilities in the South-East of Ukraine, which has led to many of them to serious injuries and even death, is required;

- that “it is necessary to stop the lies and propaganda hysteria on federal TV channels, stop defamation and persecution of citizens who publicly condemn the aggression in Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea as a“ fifth column ”, give them the opportunity to freely express and defend their point of view in the media”;
- that it is necessary to cancel the anti-sanction measures, which caused a sharp rise in food prices, limited the rights of citizens to their consumer choice;

- that the trade and gas war against Ukraine should be stopped, and all the organizers of the above actions should be brought under investigation and trial.

Is it not clear that all of this - links of one chain, that any hopes of the virtual "peace party with the West" in the Kremlin are compromised in a compromise, that "crawling away," like Gorbachev after 1991, will not be given to anyone of the current "power vertical" that the cup of shame and betrayal will force to drink to the bottom? What are the current Russian president and allies preparing the fate of Muammar Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Milosevic?
Is it not clear that we have a dilemma: either surrender, or the path of continuous concessions with complete defeat at the end?

Is there a way out of this situation? Yes, there is, and very simple. We must uncover all the lies of Obama and Co., we must not tie the hands of the army of Novorossiya, but support it in resisting ukronatsizmu, declaring this from the same UN rostrum, created thanks to the victory of the United Nations in World War II. It is necessary to warn Europe that any new step taken against Russia, either of their own accord or under US pressure, will be considered as a force majeure situation that prevents full-fledged cooperation, primarily in the energy sector. Finally, we need to appeal to the people of Ukraine, where all things need to be called by their names: the fascist-nationalist coup - the fascist-nationalist coup, the participation of the Kiev junta in the "hybrid" war of the West against Russia - the participation of the Kiev junta in the "hybrid" war of the West against Russia, with all the ensuing consequences. Of course, we need to get out of the “Washington consensus” and its associated model of an oligarchic-raw materials economy. Of course, Russia needs to build a society of social justice and progress. Because with the current socio-economic and ideological-political "foundation", we cannot win a "hybrid" war against the West. This, in fact, is what western geostrategies are counting on. This is their main calculation, and it must be overthrown in the first place. Otherwise, the "dashing nineties" will seem to all of us children's games in the sandbox - a defeat in the current "hybrid war" will most likely put an end to the existence of Russia, the Russian people and other peoples of our country, the Russian civilization and the Russian state.

So, the Russian public is waiting, first of all, for a new Munich speech from its commander-in-chief, where all the points will be placed over "and" with regard to the unfolding US aggression, the Russian public is waiting for a cardinal cleansing of all structures from the "pro-Western agents" and, above all, from the financial block of the cabinet ministers, the Russian public is waiting for retaliation against the Kiev fascist junta and victory, which will stop the neo-Nazi revenge of the revision of the results of the Great Patriotic War.
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  1. vsoltan
    vsoltan 3 October 2014 18: 31
    +56
    The article, for my taste, is too verbose ... all this is known ... and as for Russia ... I don’t think that everything is so bad ... you just need to continue to do your job, not paying attention to screams from across the ocean ... and, first of all, to return Russian assets from abroad ... Russia always only won from the authorship ... as regards the continuation of the war in New Russia ... I think that the Kremlin is not sitting idly by ..
    1. bda
      bda 3 October 2014 18: 40
      +26
      vsoltan
      The article, for my taste, is too verbose ... all this is known ...

      Quite right - back in May of this year, when it suddenly became clear that "we are not handing over our own people" does not apply to Donbass and Novorossia as a whole, the whole point of this article was moved across the Internet in the form of a quote from W. Churchill: "Who is trying to avoid war at the cost shame, he will receive both shame and war. "
      1. Grbear
        Grbear 3 October 2014 19: 41
        -9
        bda
        Put -
        A thin world is better than a good quarrel © This time.
        Secondly - For war on all fronts, you must have a complete lack of brains.
        Thirdly. Do you really think that the "former" GB-Schnick did not know the situation in Ukraine? Or do we have no specialist analysts in our Country? or the entire General Staff on "content"?

        The article is also - because this is "unspoken"call to radical actions that will allow you to name US Empire of Evil.
        1. Tor hummer
          Tor hummer 3 October 2014 19: 53
          +43
          Quote: GrBear
          A thin world is better than a good quarrel © This time.

          No one will play with us in the world. Taken the path to war. -This time.

          Quote: GrBear
          Secondly - For war on all fronts, you must have a complete lack of brains.


          Therefore, we will sit and not resist.


          Quote: GrBear
          Thirdly. Do you really think that the "former" GB-Schnick did not know the situation in Ukraine? Or do we have no specialist analysts in our Country? or the entire General Staff on "content"?

          Judging by the complete failure of Russian politics in the entire post-Soviet space, it is so.


          Quote: GrBear
          The article is also - because it is an "unspoken" call for radical action that will call US the Empire of Evil


          And so already called. And they will call and will call, regardless of what we will do or will not do.
          1. Sibiriya
            Sibiriya 3 October 2014 21: 41
            +7
            Moscow. 3 October. INTERFAX.RU - Militiamen of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic reported establishing control over the airport terminal of Donetsk Airport.

            "All terminals are under our control, the DPR flag is hoisted over one of them, but the airport is being cleaned up," a representative of the DPR Defense Ministry headquarters told Interfax.

            At the same time, the agency's interlocutor clarified that "there is still something to fight for", and it is too early to talk about absolute control. "According to preliminary data, enemy forces may still be located in underground structures," said a representative of the headquarters.

            He noted that control over the Avdeevka village adjacent to the airport has not yet been established. “We haven’t entered Avdiivka yet, but Avdiivka’s gardens are adjacent to the runway. The enemy can pull up his free forces there,” the source said.

            Meanwhile, from the Kiev press center of the military operation it is reported that the Ukrainian side, as a result of a counterattack, recaptured the first floor of the old terminal of Donetsk Airport.

            “During the assault on the old terminal, the militants used smoke bombs against the Ukrainian servicemen and, under their cover, seized the first floor. The counter-attack of our forces threw the terrorists back to the starting lines,” the press center of the security operation said on its Facebook page.

            The report notes that Ukrainian servicemen continue to defend the strategic facility. "Part of the old terminal is on fire," the press center informs.

            The first news about taking Donetsk airport began to arrive on Friday night. A message about this appeared, in particular, on Twitter militias. However, in the morning the representatives of the DPR themselves denied this statement. They specified that the fighting was ongoing, and at that time they could not achieve full control over the air harbor.

            The battles for the territory of the Donetsk airport have been going on for several weeks. On the first day of October, DPR Prime Minister Alexander Zakharchenko announced the readiness of the militia to take the airport by the end of the week - "in two, maximum three days." According to him, militia forces already control 90% of the air harbor territory.

            Earlier, Bloomberg reported citing a source that the EU could impose additional sanctions on Russia if militias establish control over Donetsk airport or Mariupol.
          2. hyperion121
            hyperion121 3 October 2014 21: 49
            +1
            That's right!
          3. CHEF
            CHEF 3 October 2014 22: 45
            +12
            I support. It is categorically naive and dangerous to live in hopes that the "kgb" and "supermen" in the country's leadership will magically save us from external threats! The USSR was destroyed! And what about the Russian Federation ?! Those who sawed the Russian Federation for the last 25 years continue to successfully steer the state. And what, they suddenly became guardians of the fate of the people? Rave! It's amazing that an adult can think like that.
        2. bda
          bda 3 October 2014 20: 14
          +42
          Sorry, while writing the answer, I did not notice the appearance of a message from a respected Tor hummer

          But, so:
          Grbear

          With all due respect, but also set -
          A thin world is better than a good quarrel © This time.
          - Now Obama personally will bring you a bad world on a silver platter ?! If you do not know, then the war has already begun and Russian people are being killed in it.
          Secondly - For war on all fronts, you must have a complete lack of brains.

          But, to substitute yourself on all fronts, brains are by definition not needed - you need the full presence of a large number, excuse me, of anal holes.
          Thirdly. Do you really think that the "former" GB-Schnick did not know the situation in Ukraine? Or do we have no specialist analysts in our Country? or the entire General Staff on "content"?

          And I, personally, in relation to the correctness or incorrectness of the actions of our Supreme Commander, in this matter, do not say anything at all - not my level of competence. Our problem, in my humble opinion, is not the specific actions (inaction) of the country's leadership - but the understanding (lack of understanding) that the country, our Russia and, in particular, all of its "society" (society from the word "common" is not) specifically at such a stage of decomposition that it simply cannot adequately respond to external challenges of the level of the Ukrainian crisis - we in Dagestan alone have not been able to restore order for 25 years, and then there is Ukraine ... - this is all our common misfortune, in which the "upper "just out of a sense of self-preservation, they act" along the path of least resistance, "fearing" something might happen. "

          And the "lower classes", unfortunately, in their significant number, if not the majority, are inclined to sit tightly on their sofas with beer and applaud everything that does not threaten them with a "fifth point separation" from the sofa and the fullness of a poured glass.

          And as for
          The article is also - because it is an "unspoken" call for radical action that will call US the Evil Empire.

          - We will be called an empire of evil as long as "either we are them, or they are us" - we are for them (the West) an intolerable alternative. For them we are a wall that has stood in the way of all lovers of world domination for centuries. And there is nothing to be afraid of. And trying to make them fall in love with yourself, as some of our "lovers of the bad world" try, is also completely meaningless - they only need us in the form of either a carcass or a stuffed animal, and not alive and healthy.

          Back in the middle of the XNUMXs, when everyone in the West pretended to love us, the children's film The Chronicles of Narnia was released on the screens of the world distribution. My older children went to see it in the original - in English. They returned angry.
          - What's the matter? - I ask.
          - Dad, and there are villains, when they speak their "villainous" language, you can hear that they speak Russian (foreigners generally identify the Russian language well "by ear", even without understanding what is spoken - we have a very characteristic sound - like us , for example, we identify German or French, even knowing these languages. So the "Russianness of evil" was clear to almost all non-Russian viewers.).
          This is just a children's film from an era when, it seems, we had no big problems with the West, and you say: "They will call it the Evil Empire ..."
          1. Turkir
            Turkir 3 October 2014 21: 10
            +12
            Your comment deserves a separate article.
            I agree with you in many ways.
            1. bda
              bda 4 October 2014 18: 12
              0
              Thank you so much for such a review.
          2. avg
            avg 3 October 2014 22: 58
            +13
            Quote: bda
            We will be called an empire of evil as long as "either we are them, or they are us"


            Obama himself is afraid of our answer, and he hurries, and takes the next step only when he is convinced that we have silently swallowed the previous dirty trick. And we have already "lost the pace" three times. The first time was after the Crimea. The second time - after Boeing. The third - by stopping the offensive and giving the dill, almost already lost by them, Mariupol. Otherwise, the Americans would have been forced to negotiate with us on the salvation of the remnants of dill and the non-alignment of Moldova, and not to introduce new sanctions.
            Now, in connection with the events in Hong Kong, Syria and Iraq, the deepening European economic crisis and the partial penetration of truthful information about Ukraine into Europe and the United States, etc. Finally, with the onset of the winter season, we may have a new "window of opportunity" and we would like our president and government to act more decisively this time.
        3. andrejwz
          andrejwz 3 October 2014 21: 02
          +1
          Quote: GrBear
          A thin world is better than a good quarrel © This time.

          And once ...
        4. avia1991
          avia1991 3 October 2014 22: 20
          +12
          Quote: GrBear
          A thin world is better than a good quarrel

          It’s better if this world is between good neighbors who, after an OBA quarrel, are looking for an opportunity to make peace. In our situation, everything is diametrically opposite: our power by hook or by crook persuades Wanton nigger calm down and stop us, poor little, to thrash! And in response to these slobbering persuasions, he only becomes inflamed even more, and is trying on where to cut more painfully: on the shin, or in the groin!
          The West, led by the Russian Monkey, has been assigned the role of a sheep for slaughter, and regardless of our "peaceful" behavior, nobody is going to cancel this role! So maybe it's really time to stop pretending to be this sheep and show them all the true Master ?!
          The author may be verbose (as I am now hi ), but with this he substantiates his position, the essence of which is as follows: IT IS TIME TO STOP KEEPING BEFORE THE WEST, AND START TALKING WITH THEM IN THE LANGUAGE WHICH THEY UNDERSTAND - IN THE LANGUAGE OF FORCE! It is shameful for such a great power to look so MUCH! ..
          Quote: GrBear
          "former" GB-Schnick did not know the situation in Ukraine? Or do we have no specialist analysts in our Country?

          "Didn't know" and "didn't want to know" are slightly different concepts. He himself, or someone nearby, did EVERYTHING so that Russia, as an example, as a reference point, as a source of good-neighborliness policy, would LEAVE from all the former republics of the USSR! For Belarus, whatever one may say, we need to thank Father Lukashenko - another would have joined the "Baltic Union" long ago. As for Ukraine, V. Chernomyrdin once said that he regularly reported to Moscow about the deterioration of the situation in hohlyatsky brains - but in response he received only a vague phrase: "We have our finger on the pulse." It turns out they knew - and did NOT DO ANYTHING!
          And more:
          Quote: GrBear
          For war on all fronts, you must have a complete lack of brains.
          Firstly, on which for everyone? Do you seriously think that Western politicians will decide on an open war against Russia? wassat Their gut is thin! But for amers, war is something far and illusive, and if the database suddenly happens on their territory - 300 lyamas of panicking sheep are provided! For all the years since the time of Vietnam, no one seriously ruffled them - so they imagined themselves invulnerable!
          Quote: GrBear
          it is an "unspoken" call for radical action that will call US the Evil Empire.
          But with this you really scared me - right to the hiccups! wassat I won’t sleep now crying ...
        5. 23 region
          23 region 3 October 2014 22: 30
          +1
          Quote: GrBear
          Article too -,

          Also minus. I will not justify, drunk, so
          So it turns out that so far the most harsh and frank assessment of the actions of the "Obama team" is given by its political opponents inside the United States,

          And unas means just "indulge in buns"?
        6. assembly
          assembly 3 October 2014 22: 32
          +4
          [quote = GrBear] will allow us to call US Empire of Evil. [/ quote
          but nothing that half the world calls us that already ... almost a year already ... and the article plus
          1. DV69
            DV69 3 October 2014 22: 37
            +1
            [quote = sborka] [quote = GrBear] will allow us to call us the Empire of Evil. [/ quote
            but nothing that half the world calls us that already ... almost a year already ... and the article plus [/ quote]

            We were so named by someone Ronald Reagan, in the early 80's.
            A minus article.
        7. samuil60
          samuil60 3 October 2014 23: 19
          +13
          Yes, you brost! We are already called the empire of evil, and will be called, even if we wag our tail and lick something to the West! They only need one thing - our death. Death as a nation, death as a power. And the GBShnik - as you say - simply cannot (or perhaps does not want) to cope with a pack of oligarchs and officials, a pack of traitors who occupied our Motherland in the 90s. The goggle-eyed iPhone slows down, the ministers - economists slow down, the multi-mouthed "fifth column" slows down, whose representatives think that after the collapse of the hated "Raska" Uncle Sam will attach them all, feed them, and give them all their hearts to do with their favorite abominations - from pederasty to cannibalism. And the more we rave about the "bad world", the sooner the end will come to Russia and the Russian world and to all of us who love our country.
          1. DV69
            DV69 3 October 2014 23: 28
            +2
            Quote: samuil60
            Yes, you brost! We are already called the empire of evil, and they will call us even if we wag our tail and lick something to the West! ... And the more we rave about the "bad world", the sooner the end will come to Russia and the Russian world and to all of us who love our country.


            I wrote about the same thing. We have been called the Evil Empire for 30 years. And the more independent our politics, the more we are the Evil Empire.
            However, we are not ready for a war "against all" now. We have to wage a war of sanctions, diplomacy, etc.
        8. Penzyac
          Penzyac 4 October 2014 00: 23
          +1
          Quote: GrBear
          ... The article is also - because this is "unspoken"call to radical actions that will allow you to name US Empire of Evil.

          Now not called?
          And at least, and let them call, if only they were afraid to anger.
          The point is not in words, especially those of others, but in essence, but in fact everyone (and they too) know where the real "evil empire" of our time is.
          Less to you.
        9. subbtin.725
          subbtin.725 4 October 2014 05: 51
          +4
          Quote: GrBear
          A thin world is better than a good quarrel ©

          Or maybe it's enough to make curtsies to our sworn "friends" of constant backbends? Isn't it time to remember who we are?
        10. demo
          demo 4 October 2014 15: 01
          +2
          We are already called the Empire of Evil!
          So what?
          Squared? Or in the third degree?
          The former GB-Schnick did not know and did not want to know anything.
          Specialized analysts, top class, have long been working in "civilian" in the service of the oligarchs, for a VERY good salary.
          And the analytical department of the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense, FSB, etc. boys and girls are sitting who, instead of the final exams, took the Unified State Exam, and they continue the "military dynasties".
          Didn't you know that?
      2. hyperion121
        hyperion121 3 October 2014 21: 47
        +1
        Back in May, they wrote about it on Sputnik.
      3. larand
        larand 4 October 2014 07: 55
        +5
        Quote: bda
        vsoltan
        The article, for my taste, is too verbose ... all this is known ...

        Quite right - back in May of this year, when it suddenly became clear that "we are not handing over our own people" does not apply to Donbass and Novorossia as a whole, the whole point of this article was moved across the Internet in the form of a quote from W. Churchill: "Who is trying to avoid war at the cost shame, he will receive both shame and war. "

        Recently, Lavrov was awarded some sort of award. I wonder for what? What did the Russian Foreign Ministry and his minister do this? What interests of the country did they defend? Judging by the fact that the Russian Federation has no allies on its western borders, it is not necessary to hand over a prize, but .... Why Obama regularly addresses the nation, why the President of the Russian Federation does not speak with the people. The situation is becoming more complicated, but he is silent. Why not at least once a month tell us - the Russians, the situation is such, we do this and that. He is the president, not the chief of the FSB.
    2. ksv1973
      ksv1973 3 October 2014 18: 49
      0
      Quote: vsoltan
      The article, for my taste, is too verbose ... all this is known ... and as for Russia ... I do not think that everything is so bad ...

      I totally agree.
      The Russians, as you know, harness for a long time, but drive fast. I somehow do not believe that absolute boobies are sitting in the Kremlin, not understanding what and how to do. This is evidenced by at least the return of Crimea to Russia, to which the West responded with empty nonsense and insignificant, by and large, sanctions for Russia. Which once again confirms the presence of too small intestines in NATO to fight Russia.
      1. Oleg Sobol
        Oleg Sobol 3 October 2014 19: 54
        +14
        Quote: vsoltan
        The article, for my taste, is too verbose ...

        The article, in my opinion, is not intended for the category of those who think actively and have a firm position, but, unfortunately, for many of those who need to be hammered every day due to their weak position and weak orientation in the "political space".
        So I don’t see the point in categorical backing.
        At one time, in childhood, my parents taught me and spoke in this way constantly.
        To my comments, as much as possible, I already understood everything, my mother replied: Accept this as a thousandth Chinese instruction (ours were also taught by the Chinese in ancient times). It is better to hear and understand a thousand times, but forever, than to make a mistake once, but for sure.
        Someone is immediately given an understanding with ease, someone needs to hammer it, like "Chinese punishment" ... But this also takes place.
      2. Kindof
        Kindof 4 October 2014 02: 41
        +6
        A very long way from understanding to action in the Kremlin
        He lies through a bloated bureaucratic apparatus (remember the joke from Putin about the spy who came to surrender)
        This apparatus is also sick with the 5th column. In power, a serpentarium of representatives of so different interests - that the sum of the target vectors gives zero.
        In order for the power vertical not to slow down, a reduction in its staff and removal from a hostile element is required
        “cadres decide everything,” Stalin understood this. What is called the 1937-38 repression was the purging of the Trotskyists from the apparatus before the war.
        Article "+" for the point of view of rose-colored glasses.
        1. efimich41
          efimich41 4 October 2014 21: 08
          0
          “cadres decide everything,” Stalin understood this. What is called the 1937-38 repression was the purging of the Trotskyists from the apparatus before the war.

          This is a very correct statement. "+" Vladimir Putin needs to carry out a similar cleaning in his apparatus, so that all those who remain unquestioningly and quickly follow his instructions. The principle of one-man management has not been canceled. Everyone must keep pace, only then will it be possible to achieve success on all fronts, internal and external.
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    4. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 3 October 2014 18: 52
      +26
      there is a policy similar to the policy of J. V. Stalin before June 22, 1941 - "under no circumstances provoke Hitler". Why this is so - the article just" on the shelves "and puts it. Well, maybe about the return"to building socialism in a single country"- it's still too early - we don't need a civil war with the oligarchy inside Russia. We will smoothly carry out the" nationalization of the elite "within the framework of the concept of reconstructing the model of" state corporate capitalism "instead of the" oligarchic-comprador "one that exists now.
      1. saag
        saag 3 October 2014 19: 27
        +6
        Quote: OldWiser
        "under no circumstances provoke Hitler"

        what is it for the Red Army in 1941 ended did not need to be reminded?
        1. bda
          bda 3 October 2014 21: 47
          +3
          saag (1) SU Today, 19:27 ↑

          Quote: OldWiser
          "under no circumstances provoke Hitler"

          what is it for the Red Army in 1941 ended did not need to be reminded?


          If memory does not change history according to the school course, then for the Red Army in 1941 this ended in the failure of the German offensive near Moscow in the center, the stabilization of the front in the north and the liberation of Kerch and Feodosia in the south.
          1. Aleksander
            Aleksander 4 October 2014 00: 25
            0
            Quote: bda
            If memory does not change history according to the school course, then for the Red Army in 1941 this ended in the failure of the German offensive near Moscow in the center, the stabilization of the front in the north and the liberation of Kerch and Feodosia in the south.


            Yes, only the Red Army, which started the war on 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX, did not exist by the time of the battle of Moscow. This is how "provocation avoidance" ended ...
            1. DV69
              DV69 4 October 2014 00: 29
              +5
              Quote: Aleksander


              Yes, only the Red Army, which started the war on 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX, did not exist by the time of the battle of Moscow. This is how "provocation avoidance" ended ...


              You're not right. The Red Army died, but saved the country. The time that the army held back the advance of the enemy (In 1941) was enough to prepare reserves and a counteroffensive.
      2. Normal
        Normal 3 October 2014 19: 54
        +2
        Quote: OldWiser
        there is a policy similar to the policy of I.V. Stalin before June 22, 1941

        And right there
        Quote: OldWiser
        it's still too early - we don’t need a civil war with the oligarchy inside Russia.


        Do you think a civil war was possible with the oligarchy inside Russia ... under Stalin before the 22 of June 1941 of the year?
        What kind of civil war with the oligarchy are you talking about?
        Could you designate the social strata and armed forces of the parties that will participate in it?
        1. saag
          saag 3 October 2014 20: 21
          -11
          Quote: Normal
          Do you think a civil war was possible with the oligarchy inside Russia ... under Stalin before the 22 of June 1941 of the year?


          No, of course, because Stalin would be the main oligarch, it’s their GDP that has bred more than a hundred pieces :-)
          1. ksv1973
            ksv1973 3 October 2014 21: 23
            +4
            Quote: saag
            Quote: Normal
            Do you think a civil war was possible with the oligarchy inside Russia ... under Stalin before the 22 of June 1941 of the year?


            No, of course, because Stalin would be the main oligarch, it’s their GDP that has bred more than a hundred pieces :-)

            Dear saag! Hello !
            It seems to me that Vladimir Vladimirovich has not bred "more than a hundred pieces", but somehow begins to accustom these "more than a hundred" to the idea that they are still responsible (at least financially) to the country that allowed them to be one of these " one hundred ". Such things are not done quickly, impulsively. Too deeply Russia has plunged into the chaos of the 90s, from where the legs of the well-being of the vast majority of Russian nouveau riche grow. Now - just, slightly paraphrasing, according to Filatov:
            It’s only good for
            Luring them all is not in vain.
            To make subtle hints
            Absurdly and from afar.
          2. ksv1973
            ksv1973 3 October 2014 21: 23
            0
            Quote: saag
            Quote: Normal
            Do you think a civil war was possible with the oligarchy inside Russia ... under Stalin before the 22 of June 1941 of the year?


            No, of course, because Stalin would be the main oligarch, it’s their GDP that has bred more than a hundred pieces :-)

            Dear saag! Hello !
            It seems to me that Vladimir Vladimirovich has not bred "more than a hundred pieces", but somehow begins to accustom these "more than a hundred" to the idea that they are still responsible (at least financially) to the country that allowed them to be one of these " one hundred ". Such things are not done quickly, impulsively. Too deeply Russia has plunged into the chaos of the 90s, from where the legs of the well-being of the vast majority of Russian nouveau riche grow. Now - just, slightly paraphrasing, according to Filatov:
            It’s only good for
            Luring them all is not in vain.
            To make subtle hints
            Absurdly and from afar.
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    5. a52333
      a52333 3 October 2014 18: 53
      +1
      It is good that the Lord does not give horns to a crumbling cow.
      This applies to the author of the article. The goal of the United States is not even Russia, but Europe, the breakdown of its gas contracts with the Russian Federation, and, as a consequence, a decrease in its competitiveness in the United States. We, as a goal, are number two.
      So the author himself offers to create what the United States is diligently seeking: breaking oil and gas contracts with Russia.
      And then the author with 'his ?????' Idea.
      Coincidence?
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 3 October 2014 19: 05
        +18
        Barak, if you speak without embellishment, has declared Russia an economic war and a virtual war in Ukraine ..! Putin has accepted the challenge, and we in Russia too! Well, what can men withstand this time? Oh, it will be difficult this time in our long-suffering story .. I can smell genes .. and yet we must win! (New Russia is an example .. everything is in its infancy!)
        1. Loner_53
          Loner_53 3 October 2014 19: 23
          +20
          Comrade Marshall, we men will endure if they do not betray us .... Our homeland is above all to us and this is unvarnished, and the children were taught that. But you must admit that they rotted top we have completely rotted. And here you can wait for everything hi
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 3 October 2014 21: 45
            +3
            Quote: Loner_53
            Comrade Marshall, we men will endure if they do not betray us .... Our homeland is above all to us and this is unvarnished, and the children were taught that. But you must admit that they rotted top we have completely rotted. And here you can wait for everything hi

            Yes, Comrade Colonel General ..)))) The rot much agree (and in us too) Just let us go without titles and titles ... They are not listed here ..! Just write what you think (and wake up as a marshal, although this is very boring ... bully ) I miss turtles (that's where life is ... ha ha ha) Joke .. drinks
            1. Loner_53
              Loner_53 4 October 2014 05: 28
              +1
              Yes, Comrade Colonel General ..)))) The rot much agree (and in us too) Just let us go without titles and titles ... They are not listed here ..!
              Well, okay and you just smile hi
          2. Aleksander
            Aleksander 4 October 2014 00: 31
            +2
            Nobody brought so much loss and grief to our country as some of their own rulers, and as a rule, external enemies were defeated ...
            1. DV69
              DV69 4 October 2014 00: 35
              +1
              Quote: Aleksander
              Nobody brought so much loss and grief to our country as some of their own rulers, and as a rule, external enemies were defeated ...


              Alexander! And which country do you consider to be yours? And then the flag is not entirely clear.
      2. mazhnikof.Niko
        mazhnikof.Niko 3 October 2014 19: 06
        +9
        Quote: a52333
        The goal of the United States is not even Russia, but Europe, the breakdown of its gas contracts with the Russian Federation, and, as a consequence, a decrease in its competitiveness in the United States.


        I agree, but not much is wrong. Goal number 1 - Russia. Russia will fall, and Europe itself will lie. Yes, she already lies ....
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 3 October 2014 22: 51
          +2
          Quote: mazhnikof.Niko
          Europe itself will lie. Yes, she already lies ....

          And it doesn't just lie - it also actively "pushes"!
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      4. Tor hummer
        Tor hummer 3 October 2014 19: 56
        +5
        Quote: a52333
        The goal of the United States is not even Russia, but Europe, the breakdown of its gas contracts with the Russian Federation, and, as a consequence, a decrease in its competitiveness in the United States. We, as a goal, are number two.

        The goal of the 1 number for the USA is the destruction of Russia, the elimination of a competitor in it, and the taking over of its land and resources.

        The goal of the 2 number for the United States is the destruction of China and all centers of power that do not agree to obey the United States and ensure American interests.

        And then everything else.
      5. bda
        bda 3 October 2014 21: 12
        +7
        a52333 RU Today, 18:53 ↑

        It is good that the Lord does not give horns to a crumbling cow.
        This applies to the author of the article. The goal of the United States is not even Russia, but Europe, the breakdown of its gas contracts with the Russian Federation, and, as a result, a decrease in its competitiveness in the United States. We, as a goal, are number two.
        ТAs the author himself, he offers to create what the United States is diligently seeking: breaking oil and gas contracts with Russia.
        And then the author with 'his ?????' Idea.

        Coincidence?

        Brilliant!
        We will frustrate the vile designs of American imperialism!
        We will not regret our people in Novorossia, but we will save Geyropa who is fondly loving us!
        If necessary, she will pump gas almost for free! And we will supply the killing Russian people of the Bandera-fascists with gas "at a reduced price" so that they do not encroach on the transit of our gas to Geyropa!

        PS: it is clear that without gas dollars (gas euros), the level of consumption in our country will drop (especially if the oligarchs squeeze out the usual "rate of profit from the national wealth", and the lower classes will have "what remains").
        But ... gentlemen! We are all obliged to remember - there are other gas markets such as China (and Geyropa herself chose her fate as the American litter) and (and this is important!) - the less gas we sell now to the West, the more it will remain for our children and grandchildren. And gas (like oil) is generally invaluable material for the production of anything!
        (as smart experts say - to heat a CHPP with gas now is the same as, in the full sense of the word, to heat a stove-potbelly stove with banknotes, which are guaranteed to grow in purchasing power tomorrow).
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 3 October 2014 22: 54
          +1
          Quote: bda
          the less gas we sell now to the West, the more it will remain for our children and grandchildren. And gas (like oil) is generally invaluable material for the production of anything!

          Well said! Respect! good
        2. a52333
          a52333 4 October 2014 00: 29
          +2
          Quote: bda
          If necessary, she will pump gas almost for free

          Do not shake the bullshit. No one supplies anything for free. Delivered at market price.
          Moment two. How are you going to maintain a positive trade balance? Due to Russian Railways or AvtoVAZ? This is a simple question. They are sitting on subsidies and utilities.
          How to rearm the army before 2020? As I understand it, do you have an answer?
          He is not here. So there’s nothing to beat with your heel in the chest.
          And if there is a breakthrough + brilliant idea, can you bring the public to court? Well?
          1. bda
            bda 4 October 2014 19: 23
            0
            Quote: 52333
            ...
            And if there is a breakthrough + brilliant idea, can you bring the public to court? Well?

            "Well?" - this is you, dear 52333, you will speak to the traffic cop before breathing into the breathalyzer.

            And in the field of hydrocarbon energy, a huge number of "breakthrough ideas" have already been invented before us and they are associated with renewable energy sources.
            And the fact that we still don’t invest money in the development and production of this very biofuel is not a question for me, but for those who prefer our common "blue" and "black gold" that hits from the ground, to convert to the world's largest pleasure yachts and foreign football clubs.

            By the way, by the way, strange as it may seem, applied science, directly related to gas and oil refining, has practically died, precisely because all sorts of smart people simply prefer to pump this raw material to the west "raw", justifying this by the fact that "funds are needed to patch holes in the budget ", but there is no money for science (including applied science).
            Those. corny we eat up "tomorrow" (eat, sorry, seeds, from which the harvest was supposed to grow in the future). And everything so that today the ratings do not fall, and social stability does not swing, and football clubs have something to buy for the respective football fans - as usual we try "both ours and yours", despite the fact that everyone understands - endlessly this cannot continue - sooner or later someone will have to offend.

            And AvtoVAZ, mentioned by you, by the way, from the moment of its foundation for many years has brought the country excellent profits (including in foreign currency) - until, again, someone who is very worried about achieving a "positive trade balance without difficulty" it did not occur to me to start a global reorientation of the entire economy in the direction of raw materials (why, they say, be engaged in some kind of production there, "know-how" to develop and implement, compete with competitors in the world market, when you can simply grab wells, what are our grandfathers drilled, and pump any currency out of them straight into your pocket.

            I still remember the words of the Prime Minister of South Korea, from whom, when he visited Moscow back in the 90s, our officials, out of habit, began to ask for money for investment projects and access to "high technologies".
            About technology, he answered something like this:
            "Why do you need high technology ?! You will first learn how to make ordinary cars"
            And about the money:
            “You, as I was told, work 8 hours a day with a 5-day work week, while in South Korea we have a 6-day work week and a 10-12 hour work day. And you ask us for money? ! "
            So, if you want advice about a "positive trade balance" - then it is simple: you need to roll up your sleeves and start real production, and not sit in front of the "Bloomberg creeping line" and not follow with bated breath the price of Urals oil on the London Stock Exchange - will fall, they say, by another two points and there will be nothing to pay salaries to public sector employees.

            By the way, I didn’t come up with all this either - for the good twenty years, more or less patriotic-oriented economists have been talking about it, so if you are seriously interested, you can find a lot of materials on the Internet for self-development on this topic. You can start with the well-known to everyone S.Yu. Glazyev - his works are intelligible (at the level of journalism).
            From foreign authors - modern Brazilian economists (from among the supporters of the English economist and philosopher D.M. Keynes) have very good and suitable works for our problems - although they usually write in Portuguese, and in Russian they do not prefer translate (so as not to confuse the adherents of monetarism instilled in us from the "Chicago boys").
      6. avia1991
        avia1991 3 October 2014 22: 38
        +5
        Quote: a52333
        We as goal number two

        Do you think so? And therefore, apparently, Obama said at the UN assembly that Russia is the second danger to the world order after Ebola?
        1. a52333
          a52333 4 October 2014 10: 01
          -1
          Quote: avia1991
          Apparently, Obama at the UN assembly said that Russia is the second after Ebola

          And what do you think he should have said? What is the EU market at 10% cheaper, and for SGA to crush you, should you buy energy at 20% more?
      7. Denis fj
        Denis fj 3 October 2014 22: 43
        +3
        Before Europe sets a gas ultimatum, it’s necessary to build a pipe to China,
        Before leaving the consensus, it is necessary to get rid of dollars and amer obligations in the gold reserves, close the loopholes for the export of capital, and remove agents from power.
        Establish deliveries of technology and technological equipment from the East.
        Get rid of food addiction, medicines must be established, medical equipment.
        Information technology, its billing system, data centers, servers.
        A lot of what is needed.
        And, as far as I see, the Kremlin is doing this.
        It’s abrupt now that everything will be cut off and a collapse will come in Russia.
        And again I see that the authors turn to the leadership of Russia, like adult uncles to unreasonable children.

        "Is it not clear that all of these are links in the same chain, that any hopes of the virtual" party of peace with the West "in the Kremlin for a compromise are untenable, that none of the current" power vertical "will be allowed to" crawl aside "like Gorbachev after 1991 that the cup of shame and betrayal will be forced to drink to the bottom? What are the current Russian President of the United States and its allies preparing the fate of Muammar Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Milosevic? "

        Everything is clear to everyone!
        Putin has already gone too far and has no way back. He is not stupid not to understand this.

        Of course, there are several people in the Kremlin who will flee the ship. We must get rid of them. Get rid.
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 3 October 2014 22: 59
          +3
          Quote: denis fj
          Before

          Before all of the above is done, we crush!
          Everything is correct you write, only all this needs to be done YESTERDAY! Determination is needed today. Without it, we will simply be "put down", and all those good intentions that the President demonstrates, there will simply be no one to translate into reality.
          One of the eternal Russian troubles: the thunder will not strike - the man will not cross himself ..
          1. Denis fj
            Denis fj 4 October 2014 00: 42
            +3
            I think it is just right for Putin to appeal in the spirit: "Brothers and sisters" and "Get up, this is a huge country" ... However, he does not do this. Why? The answer to this question is today the main mystery for the thinking part of the people. God forbid ... - if the answer turns out to be vulgar and vile with the most tragic consequences for Russia and the Russians ...
            This is one side. On the other hand, why isn't the ground under the feet of the swamp devils burning? Are we Russians only capable of denouncing on the site "Zavtra" and there are no decisive people left in our boundless Motherland who are capable of rigidly putting in place a white tape, on ....... dskoy, collective whore ...?
            1. DV69
              DV69 4 October 2014 00: 44
              0
              Quote: Denis fj
              I think it is just right for Putin to appeal in the spirit: "Brothers and sisters" and "Get up, this is a huge country" ... However, he does not do this. Why? The answer to this question is today the main mystery for the thinking part of the people.


              And you think why?
      8. Lelek
        Lelek 3 October 2014 23: 02
        +2
        Quote: a52333
        The goal of the United States is not even Russia, but Europe, the breakdown of its gas contracts with the Russian Federation, and, as a consequence, a decrease in its competitiveness in the United States. We, as a goal, are number two.


        Right. The US will not fart if it is not backed by gold. They will not start a war for the sake of war, but in order to seize the European markets from Russia and become the only monopolist in them, they will in every way harm Europe and Russia, fanning regional wars like Ukrainian, Balkan, North African and Middle Eastern. The creed of the Anglo-Saxons - divide and conquer. yes
        1. DV69
          DV69 3 October 2014 23: 11
          +3
          Quote: Lelek
          Right. The US will not fart if it is not backed by gold. They will not start a war for the sake of war, but in order to seize the European markets from Russia and become the only monopolist in them, they will in every way harm Europe and Russia, fanning regional wars like Ukrainian, Balkan, North African and Middle Eastern. The creed of the Anglo-Saxons - divide and conquer. yes


          The fact is that the Anglo-Saxons are now at stake is more than just money. Today they are afraid of a change in the world order that developed after the collapse of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact.
          If they lose this round to us, the situation may become (for them) critical.
          Therefore, we are goal number 1. we win, they lose, if not all, then a lot.
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 4 October 2014 09: 41
            +1
            Quote: DV69
            Today they are afraid of a change in world order,


            I agree, and that too. But at the heart of the tandem policy, the US and the EU are still a banal golden calf. hi
    6. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 3 October 2014 19: 07
      +17
      "It is absolutely unimaginable to watch the US president stand in front of the whole world and tell outright lies that everyone sees!" ...
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      2. ksv1973
        ksv1973 4 October 2014 11: 53
        0
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        "It is absolutely unimaginable to watch the US president stand in front of the whole world and tell outright lies that everyone sees!" ...

        The most incredible thing is that, judging by the meaningless expression on his face, he himself believes in what he says.
    7. DV69
      DV69 3 October 2014 19: 10
      +13
      Quote: vsoltan
      The article, for my taste, is too verbose ... all this is known ... and as for Russia ... I don’t think that everything is so bad ... you just need to continue to do your job, not paying attention to screams from across the ocean ... and, first of all, to return Russian assets from abroad ... Russia always only won from the authorship ... as regards the continuation of the war in New Russia ... I think that the Kremlin is not sitting idly by ..


      The article is a set of anti-Putin stamps. If the forum often talks about cheers-patriotism, then here the authors give such a pessimistic forecast of the development of events that it’s just scary to get how bad everything is.
      But most of all smiled about
      It is necessary to reveal all the lies of Obama and Co., it is necessary not to bind the hands of the army of New Russia, but to support it in resisting ukronatsizm, declaring this from the same rostrum
      . I would like to ask the authors, but what did Churkin and Lavrov, after all, the same Putin, have never talked about American lies? Or do the authors hear only what is convenient for them to hear?
      1. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 3 October 2014 19: 41
        +12
        Quote: DV69
        I would like to ask the authors, but what did Churkin and Lavrov, after all, the same Putin, have never talked about American lies? Or do the authors hear only what is convenient for them to hear?

        Churkin probably has more freedom to express his attitude to what is happening. And the character of Vitaly Ivanovich is somewhat different than that of Lavrov and Putin. Lavrov, in his last speech, said the truth about the role of the United States in what is happening in the world. - Finally! Since the beginning of the Maidan, both he and Putin have only delighted the "partners" by diligently chewing snot. As for Crimea? Yes, that was the right thing to do. But if this had not been done, the Obama baboon would have already figured out: where to hang the skins of Lavrov and Putin in his hunting lodge? A useful article - so that the Kremlin walls do not collapse - unable to withstand the pressure of chocolate brewed by approvals. Thanks to the authors.
        1. DV69
          DV69 3 October 2014 20: 07
          -2
          [quote = 1812 1945] [quote = DV69] And the character of Vitaly Ivanovich is somewhat different than that of Lavrov and Putin. Lavrov, in his last speech, said the truth about the role of the United States in what is happening in the world. - Finally! Since the beginning of the Maidan, both he and Putin have only delighted the "partners" by diligently chewing snot. [/ quote]

          Vitaly Ivanovich has no character, Vitaly Ivanovich has such a job in the Security Council, he defends the interests of his homeland. Moreover, his position was agreed with the leadership of the Russian Federation.
          But Putin, he did not chew snot, he was silent, and he did what he saw fit. And the whole world, from such silence, all "civilized mankind" had stomach incontinence. Do you remember how Obama said that Alaska will not be Russian? This is probably from the fact that Putin chewed snot.
          The article is useful only for those who want to sow panic and disbelief in the leadership of the country, and panic in war conditions, albeit a cold one, is no less harmful than the lack of ammunition.
          1. DRA-88
            DRA-88 3 October 2014 20: 19
            +1
            Quote: DV69
            But Putin, he did not chew snot, he was silent, and notice, did what he considered necessary.

            But how will you fight the liberals?
            1. DV69
              DV69 3 October 2014 20: 23
              +4
              Quote: DRA-88
              But how will you fight the liberals?


              Personally, I will fight according to the order, when one arrives.
              1. DRA-88
                DRA-88 3 October 2014 20: 27
                +5
                Quote: DV69
                Personally, I will fight according to the order, when one arrives.

                Here you The Commander-in-Chief will comment!
                1. DV69
                  DV69 3 October 2014 20: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: DRA-88

                  Here the Commander-in-Chief will comment on you!


                  He does not comment on me. He was just tired of the revolution.
                  1. DRA-88
                    DRA-88 3 October 2014 20: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: DV69
                    He was just tired of the revolution.

                    But the counter-revolution?
                    1. DV69
                      DV69 3 October 2014 21: 01
                      +1
                      Quote: DRA-88
                      Quote: DV69
                      He was just tired of the revolution.

                      But the counter-revolution?


                      Why are you doing this? Again 1917?
                      1. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 3 October 2014 21: 11
                        +13
                        It’s hard to disagree with Stalin!
                      2. DV69
                        DV69 3 October 2014 21: 20
                        +5
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        It’s hard to disagree with Stalin!


                        And where did you get the idea that I do not agree with Joseph Vissarionovich? Only, unfortunately, the country that he built is no longer there. And this is primarily to blame for those who in the 80-90s called (called, not was) themselves Communists and led the USSR. And then the communist Gorbachev, in a place with a group of communists led by communist Yeltsin, the USSR collapsed.
                        And who told you that I think this is good?
                      3. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 3 October 2014 21: 49
                        0
                        and GDP was not by chance a member of the CPSU?
                      4. DV69
                        DV69 3 October 2014 21: 55
                        0
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        and GDP was not by chance a member of the CPSU?


                        It was. But then he did not lead the country. He was then on a business trip. In the GDR.
                      5. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 3 October 2014 21: 56
                        +1
                        All clear! Thank... hi
                      6. DV69
                        DV69 3 October 2014 21: 59
                        -1
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        All clear! Thank... hi


                        And what is clear to you. Did I reveal a secret?
                      7. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 3 October 2014 22: 06
                        +6
                        Quote: DV69
                        And what is clear to you. Did I reveal a secret?

                        Worth clarifying! BZHRK (Military Railway Missile Complex) Molodets last defended the database in 2005, and the disposal of this unique complex was completed in 2007. also in the post Yeltsin era, bases were closed in Cuba (Lourdes), Vietnam (Kamran), the SPRN system (missile warning system) in Belarus, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and many, many were completely in the two thousandth, and not in the dashing 90s, as they now love to shove them all.
                      8. DV69
                        DV69 3 October 2014 22: 17
                        0
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Worth clarifying! BZHRK (Military Railway Missile Complex) Molodets last defended the database in 2005, and the disposal of this unique complex was completed in 2007. also in the post Yeltsin era, bases were closed in Cuba (Lourdes), Vietnam (Kamran), the SPRN system (missile warning system) in Belarus, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and many, many were completely in the two thousandth, and not in the dashing 90s, as they now love to shove them all.


                        What did the BZHRK do? Defended? Excuse me, from what year did he stand? and who put it? How much money was invested in its conservation and maintenance? And now the main question. What cut the Battle railway missile system, or a bunch of worthless rusty iron?
                        The decision to close the bases in Cuba (Lourdes) and Vietnam (Kamran) was also made at EBN.
                        Well, about the SPRN system. It works in Kyrgyzstan, Gabalu (Azerbaijan) was closed due to the rapprochement between the countries and NATO and the EU, but after the commissioning of a new, more powerful station in Armavir (Krasnodar Territory), I also work in Belarus, but the local military command it.
                        So what does Putin have to do with it?
                      9. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 3 October 2014 22: 32
                        +3
                        Quote: DV69
                        So what does Putin have to do with it?

                        A joke for the night!
                        (F) ymanov comes to the (P) network:
                        F: Petka, guess the riddle: Two rings, two ends, in the middle of carnations.
                        P: Hy, I don’t know. Ass for sure ....
                        F: The darkness you are Petka. These are scissors. Okay, guess one more thing: No windows, no
                        Doors, is a host of people?
                        P: And hell knows. Ass for sure ....
                        F: Dypak you, Petka. This is a cucumber!
                        Petka comes to Vasily Ivanovich:
                        P: Vasily Ivanovich, guess the riddle: No windows, no doors, full ass
                        ogyptsov.
                        Q: And FIG knows, x # ynya somehow.
                        P: So I say that x # ynya, and Fyrmanov - scissors, scissors ... wassat
                      10. DV69
                        DV69 3 October 2014 22: 34
                        0
                        DRA-88

                        HA HA HA. Not funny, because of antiquity.
                        Arguments apparently over?
                      11. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 3 October 2014 23: 00
                        0
                        Quote: DV69
                        HA HA HA. Not funny, because of antiquity.

                        and I’m not telling you a joke ....
                        Quote: DV69
                        Arguments apparently over?

                        I consider spreading the facts to you a hopelessly meaningless occupation .. Qui habet aures audiendi, audiat, Matthew 11, 15.
                        hi
                      12. DV69
                        DV69 3 October 2014 23: 15
                        0
                        Quote: DRA-88

                        and I’m not telling you a joke ....
                        Quote: DV69
                        Arguments apparently over?

                        I consider spreading the facts to you a hopelessly meaningless occupation .. Qui habet aures audiendi, audiat, Matthew 11, 15.
                        hi


                        Recently, one wrote to me here, they say who needs your facts, only he didn’t quote a Bible in Latin.
                        Indeed, what toss beads.
                      13. I am
                        I am 3 October 2014 23: 06
                        +1
                        .............. I recommend once again to reconsider the series Lord of the Rings in the correct translation from GOBLIN ............ there are three more wagons of such quotes)))))) ))))))))) but pleased - a joke in the subject !!!
                      14. VOLOD
                        VOLOD 3 October 2014 21: 31
                        +9
                        ETERNAL. SLAVA. TO GREAT STALIN !!!
              2. bda
                bda 4 October 2014 20: 10
                0
                DV69 RU Yesterday, 20:23 ↑

                Quote: DRA-88
                But how will you fight the liberals?


                Personally, I will fight according to the order, when one arrives.


                In January 1992, when our country was already falling apart, and military units on the outskirts were already beginning to take native oaths, a live broadcast of the All-Army Officer Assembly was broadcast on television.
                The thought: "There will be an order and we will all go ..." - came through in almost all the officers' speeches.
                No order has been received.
                Nobody went anywhere (officers from former military units in Azerbaijan, Georgia, etc., came only later "on civilian basis" with personal files in their hands - they got a job in the RF Armed Forces).
                About Chapter 5 of the Constitution of the USSR, which stated that the armed forces should protect sovereignty and territorial integrity no one else remembered the country.

                Everyone was waiting for the order. The most powerful army in the world has not fulfilled its function of protecting the territorial integrity of its country.

                This is how I recall the words of the head of the "Soviet department" of the German Abwehr, quoted by VS Pikul in the novel "Square of the Fallen Fighters", who said that the weakest point in a huge Soviet military machine is not old tanks and technologically raw aircraft, that in the Red Army the commander enjoys less freedom of action than the sergeant major in the Wehrmacht, who has a Charter, and a Manual on the conduct of hostilities, and that's all - nothing else interests him - no political winds, but opinions.
            2. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 3 October 2014 20: 59
              +6
              Quote: DRA-88
              But how will you fight the liberals?

              With whom, with whom? At the first click on this fraternity, they will quickly change the rhetoric and flag ... The main intellectual issue will be resolved:
              "Intelligentsia and power" is a very difficult task:
              Either bite the boot, or lick.
              (T.S.Shaov)
              1. DRA-88
                DRA-88 3 October 2014 21: 14
                +1
                Quote: 11111mail.ru
                "Intelligentsia and power" is a very difficult task:
                Either bite the boot, or lick.
                (T.S.Shaov)

                I have known your position for quite some time ....
                there is a bit of irony.
                Needed songs yes Shaov sings!
                1. 11111mail.ru
                  11111mail.ru 4 October 2014 07: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: DRA-88
                  I know your position for a long time ...

                  I do not hide it. Remember A.S. Griboyedov "Woe from Wit": "The confusion of languages ​​still prevails:
                  French with Nizhny Novgorod ... ". This is about the most" enlightened "layer of the Russian state of the 19th century - the nobility. Devastation, it is not in the closets, but in the heads, as MABulgakov said through the mouth of Professor Preobrazhensky. From here came the Hercens, Bakunins and other huskies yapping at Russia for foreign cookies.
          2. avia1991
            avia1991 3 October 2014 23: 14
            +1
            Quote: DV69
            from such silence all "civilized mankind" had stomach incontinence

            Oh yeah! Very noticeable!
            With this fairy tale, our liberals consoled the masses ... although Geyropa showed just complete disregard for Putin's demonstrative "silence." And he fell silent, let me remind you, after his last harsh statement regarding the actions of the ukrofashists, which happened on April 24 this year at a meeting with journalists from regional media. Then the ukry began the first assault on Slavyansk, and we responded with sudden exercises near the border. And just about to bring in troops! ... but did not bring in. After that, the Great Silence of Putin began, accompanied by a complete disappearance from the TV screen, and his next appearance "on the people" happened upon the arrival of Mr. Burkhalter in the gold-domed, with whom they gave a press conference. It was on May 7, already AFTER ODESSA AND THE STORM OF THE SLAVIANS, after the BIG BLOOD already shed in Donbass.
            Since then, the decisive condemnation of the aggressors has disappeared from the President’s rhetoric, as well as the words about Novorossiya, the referendum, etc., and if later it was clear at least that support was still coming, then the events of these two weeks of SILENCE for me personally remained a mystery ..
            People, can you enlighten? WHAT WAS IT?
      2. jaguar
        jaguar 3 October 2014 20: 15
        +11
        the political and socio-economic situation in our country is slowly but steadily destabilizing! Here you can agree and try to draw some conclusions. First, by whom is she destabilizing? Agree prices are rising exponentially, moreover, for all goods and not just those that are subject to sanctions. At the same time, the government, instead of plunging snickering hand bargains, pretends that everything is fine !!!
        1. DV69
          DV69 3 October 2014 20: 21
          +6
          Quote: jaguar
          the political and socio-economic situation in our country is slowly but steadily destabilizing! Here you can agree and try to draw some conclusions. First, by whom is she destabilizing? Agree prices are rising exponentially, moreover, for all goods and not just those that are subject to sanctions. At the same time, the government, instead of plunging snickering hand bargains, pretends that everything is fine !!!


          I agree. Prices are rising from the desire of the huckster to get more money. The government must fight this. The speech of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation on the fight against rising prices did not impress me either.
          Let's see how it all ends.
          1. DRA-88
            DRA-88 3 October 2014 20: 36
            +7
            Quote: DV69
            Prices rise from the desire to huckster will get more money

            And housing and communal services and state monopolies are hucksters?
            Quote: DV69
            Let's see how it all ends.

            There is no need to be a visionary to ascertain a further increase in prices and tariffs!
            1. DV69
              DV69 3 October 2014 20: 41
              0
              Quote: DRA-88
              Quote: DV69
              Prices rise from the desire to huckster will get more money

              And housing and communal services and state monopolies are hucksters?


              YES

              Quote: DV69
              Let's see how it all ends.

              There is no need to be a visionary to ascertain a further increase in prices and tariffs!


              Let's see it all the same.
              1. PSih2097
                PSih2097 3 October 2014 22: 37
                +6
                Quote: DV69
                Let's see it all the same.

                Why watch, go to the store, look at a gas station or receipt from the housing and communal services and you will see how everything went up over the past three months ...
              2. mazhnikof.Niko
                mazhnikof.Niko 4 October 2014 09: 23
                +1
                Quote: DV69
                Let's see all the same


                Or maybe you should not watch? The people have already seen this!
                In the 90s, it also began with a brazen price increase - for EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING!
                Usually we haven’t seen anything good!
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 3 October 2014 20: 37
          +1
          Quote: jaguar
          Agree prices are rising exponentially, moreover, for all goods and not just those that are subject to sanctions.

          That's right, for everything because everything is interconnected. And you thought that they would decline, because some here laughed and rejoiced at the sanctions? There are enough analysts in the West and they perfectly calculated all the options before imposing sanctions.
          1. jaguar
            jaguar 3 October 2014 21: 26
            +7
            What kindly will I explain the relationship between say cheese and, for example, olives that came under sanctions and pork, potatoes, chicken and for example apples that our region produced about 120% of its needs? My opinion is the simplest ... snickering hucksters which for some reason no one can cut into hands !!!!! Already I'm starting to wonder at our government myself .... or are they so short-sighted that they cannot learn a lesson from what happened in Ukraine, or is the fifth column located there?
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    9. timer
      timer 3 October 2014 21: 44
      +6
      I agree with a higher comment that the article is about what the majority have in mind and language.
      And then ... on the score, everything is not so bad, I disagree! It's just bad. And this is not alarmism, but an analysis of the real situation in Russia. Who controls Russia ?! In my opinion, the rotten comprador oligarchic elite, led by the guarantor Putin, which acts in Russia as a gang of robbers of the national wealth. They don't give a damn about us-people. They quietly negotiate with the Americans behind our backs, talking about a new reset of relations and other bullshit! In the country, rampant crime, drug mafia and theft. Only the militias of New Russia were ready to clear Donetsk and to take Mariupol by storm, as the guarantor with his peace plan appeared ?! The confrontation is serious. And this peace plan is like a blow below the belt for the militias! The dill will regroup, and the war will break out with renewed vigor. How many more people will die. Or the Americans will "devour" us, or Oh, we will answer them with an iron fist on the "turnip". There is no other way out! We must stop flirting with Western partners (it’s not possible to call our enemy that way) and pursue our national interests in Ukraine!
      1. DRA-88
        DRA-88 3 October 2014 22: 11
        +1
        Quote: timer
        timer

        You have clearly stated everything! You +
    10. Harin Oleg
      Harin Oleg 3 October 2014 22: 13
      0
      Quote: vsoltan
      ... Russia always only won from authorship ...

      What did Russia gain from?
    11. Rus2012
      Rus2012 3 October 2014 22: 51
      +4
      Quote: vsoltan
      they don’t sit idly by in the Kremlin ..

      Kremlin's strategic mistake?

      Colleagues to get harbor in the fall, what do you need?
      Two factors - sow the seeds in the right soil, wait time, carefully caring for the seedlings.

      A cavalry attack certainly looks great, but in order to succeed, you need an appropriate army, a developed plan and the necessary equipment and rear.

      Can we wait "go to you" to America (Anglo-Saxons) with the visor raised?
      We can. If proactive with nuclear weapons. What will happen later, we can also guess ...

      If you remove the emotions that we see. And we see that time works for us. The United States abandoned everything they had, have against us. We are focusing so far:
      - the army is being trained
      - weapons are forged at an accelerated pace
      - the country is preparing for defense, autonomizing and diversifying into China, Asia, the BRICS countries ...
      - At the same time, representatives of the 5-6 column are provoked and checked.

      We are still passive. States are active. China is passive.
      We are waiting for something important ...
      This is IMPORTANT they say will come soon. Within a month, China must decide what to do with their "Maidan" - to violently disperse (ie, it will go into an "active" state), or the very IMPORTANT Phenomenon will come. USA - hysterical in full. Most likely, he already feels the coming crash.

      Let us return to the "cavalry attack", indeed, the Russian army is capable of reaching the borders of the Ukrainian border in a couple of weeks. But what will happen next? We'll have to retreat ... or feed 30 million. a hostile population. Do you have funds for this?

      As for the offensive of the army of New Russia. Of course, they can easily take Mariupol and go to the borders of the Lugansk-Donetsk regions. Again, this will require money. Then this level is not sufficient for Russia. It is necessary, at least, to reach the borders of Transnistria ...

      It is worth waiting for the onset of winter and complete chaos in hostile territories ...
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 3 October 2014 22: 57
        +2
        Quote: Rus2012
        Quote: vsoltan
        they don’t sit idly by in the Kremlin ..


        It is worth waiting for the onset of winter and complete chaos in hostile territories ...


        I agree! good
      2. DV69
        DV69 3 October 2014 23: 03
        +1
        Quote: Rus2012

        If you remove the emotions that we see. And we see that time works for us. The United States abandoned everything they had, have against us. We are focusing so far:
        - the army is being trained
        - weapons are forged at an accelerated pace
        - the country is preparing for defense, autonomizing and diversifying into China, Asia, the BRICS countries ...
        - At the same time, representatives of the 5-6 column are provoked and checked.

        We are still passive. States are active. China is passive.
        We are waiting for something important ...


        Great post. All on the shelves. I agree with you.
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    13. siberalt
      siberalt 3 October 2014 23: 25
      0
      Masks are collected and reasoning is useless. It's time to change politically correct rhetoric to objective. And Churkin is not bad at becoming Dubov or Zhelezny ("Stalin" is busy). Why cricket then?
    14. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 4 October 2014 00: 53
      0
      Returning assets is not enough. Oil is getting cheaper ... So it is necessary to create a situation in which it will rise in price. To push someone with their heads together ... To provoke unrest in some countries ... Launch an information "duck" ... Find a weak point and click on it ... And it is not necessary to hit the USA, sometimes, a "hit" on the satellite is much more important ... It's time to finally act like a world power and not like a whipping boy ...
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 4 October 2014 13: 17
        0
        Quote: MstislavHrabr
        Oil is getting cheaper ...

        ... the reason for the fall in the price of oil in recent years is not due to the growth of production ... just the opposite - a fall in the global economy, a drop in demand ... Nobody just wants to voice it.
        What does that mean, I think, you know?
        It remains a little ... And everyone is waiting for this with horror ...
        Russia needs to get rid of the dollar and the dual-currency basket and switch to a sovereign monetary system based on drag stocks. Everything is ready for this, they are waiting for the go-ahead ... China, by the way, is also waiting ...
    15. demo
      demo 4 October 2014 14: 55
      0
      Dear!
      You yourself can give a detailed plan for the withdrawal of assets by our oligarchs from abroad!
      Do you realize that this is not possible?
      What was planned and executed for decades to take and break, with huge losses, in five minutes?
      You rave!
      Try to say it to the eyes of anyone who has more than a billion dollars abroad?
      If you are given such an opportunity (which in itself is not likely), then they will explain to you in exactly five seconds how wrong you were.
      True, you will not be able to realize your mistake.
      They sit in the Kremlin with their hands and feet bound and gagged.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 4 October 2014 16: 32
        0
        Quote: demo
        Do you realize that this is not possible?

        Wrong word _ This is fundamentally impossible! Who will give that money?
        They gently hinted at the Germans. _ While you believe our reports that everything is in order with your Gold Reserve, it’s as if it is, but if you want to get it back ... Sorry, we’re not responsible for the consequences, much less We do not guarantee its return.
        Here are our idiots, the mind was enough to steal, but to take advantage ... Yes, who will give them
    16. Skif83
      Skif83 4 October 2014 22: 29
      0
      Everything is so, still to clean the Kremlin ...))
  2. Giant thought
    Giant thought 3 October 2014 18: 32
    +35
    Only a tough, firm anti-American stance will save Russia, otherwise we will all come with a kayuk.
    1. mazhnikof.Niko
      mazhnikof.Niko 3 October 2014 18: 57
      +3
      Quote: Thought Giant
      Only a tough, firm anti-American stance will save Russia, otherwise we will all come with a kayuk.


      Well I do not know. "Kayuk, to Russia, has been going for more than 1000 (thousand) years, but still it will not reach. No luck" kayuk "- Russia stood, stands and will stand. CONFIRMED BY A THOUSAND YEARS OF HISTORY!
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 3 October 2014 19: 28
        +4
        But you need not just to stand on the defensive - you need to go on the offensive in order to get yours back, free the temporarily occupied, step into the territory of the enemy and take the enemy’s capital.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 3 October 2014 20: 41
          +3
          Quote: Basarev
          step into enemy territory and take the enemy capital.

          Everything is clear, another contender for the medal "For the capture of Washington".
      2. Tor hummer
        Tor hummer 3 October 2014 20: 04
        +3
        Quote: mazhnikof.Niko
        Well I do not know. "Kayuk, to Russia, has been going for more than 1000 (thousand) years, but still it will not reach. No luck" kayuk "- Russia stood, stands and will stand. CONFIRMED BY A THOUSAND YEARS OF HISTORY!

        God willing, that would be so.
      3. raven75
        raven75 3 October 2014 21: 46
        0
        I agree. Usually, a not so glamorous, but much more real "piz..ts to the enemies of Russia" comes to meet the "skiff of Russia" ...
      4. avia1991
        avia1991 4 October 2014 01: 51
        +3
        Quote: mazhnikof.Niko
        Here is no luck "kayuk" - Russia stood, stands and will stand

        Russia stood thanks to the people to whom it was dear. And the true patriots headed it at the turning points of history! Today? .. In the past, in critical situations, all power - political, military and economic - was concentrated in one hand! And against the owner of these hands, no one dared to utter a word without risking being put on a stake! Today political line is a "broken line": each strives to pull in his direction. Military power, without nuclear weapons, is not enough - let's be honest! The command is rather mixed, and not everyone is patriotic - especially the rear. Well, this issue can be solved by mobilization - there are not many veterans who want to evade the defense of the Motherland are not so educated!
        But with the economic power of the pipe: those who stand at its "vaults" are not at all interested in a strong and independent Russia! Because a strong state is the observance of the Law, protection of the rights of everyone, control over the fulfillment of obligations .. oligarchs are like a sickle for .. eggs - they are not used to obeying general rules, they prefer to establish their own! And therefore the war will also be with them ..
        So - YES, RUSSIA WILL LEFT! Just at what PRICE? And for what will this price be paid? In Novorossiya they tried to build a state idea on the principles of democracy, as "the rule of the people" - that is, in a classical form. The result was not weak "pressure" from Mother Russia (not from the people, of course!) Are we surprised by the subordination of the Novorossians to proposals for a truce? Refusal to nationalize Akhmetov's property? What's surprising? "Guys, do you need supplies? Food, clothes, ... a lot of other things? Well, do AS WE SAY!"
        I would really not like the result of popular unity in a difficult situation, popular support for the authorities, and efforts of ordinary people in achieving the Victory of Russia to become another enrichment of an insignificant handful of "Russian elite" ..
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    3. Grbear
      Grbear 3 October 2014 19: 48
      +1
      Only a tough, firm anti-American stance will save Russia, otherwise we will all come with a kayuk.

      I am more impressed by "Soft Power". Keyword - force.
    4. Oleg Sobol
      Oleg Sobol 3 October 2014 19: 55
      +3
      Quote: Giant thought
      Only a tough, firm anti-American stance will save Russia, otherwise we will all come with a kayuk.

      Explain which kayuk you mean, and to whom all, in particular?
      And it is not very clear, your "mouthpiece" for all of Russia, and for all of us?
      1. DRA-88
        DRA-88 3 October 2014 20: 24
        +3
        Quote: Oleg Sobol
        Quote: Giant thought
        Only a tough, firm anti-American stance will save Russia, otherwise we will all come with a kayuk.

        Explain which kayuk you mean, and to whom all, in particular?
        And it is not very clear, your "mouthpiece" for all of Russia, and for all of us?

        Hello Oleg!
        You are trying in vain to get the "Thought Giant" to talk. Our colleague is one-way. laughing
        1. Oleg Sobol
          Oleg Sobol 3 October 2014 20: 44
          +1
          Quote: DRA-88
          You are trying in vain to make the "Thought Giant"

          Vladlen hi
          Water wears away the stone ... And here, a simple question ... If not "wordBot", will answer winked
          1. DRA-88
            DRA-88 3 October 2014 20: 48
            +1
            hi
            Oleg, 1001 first attempt .... as in a fairy tale laughing
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 4 October 2014 10: 02
          +1
          Quote: DRA-88
          You are trying in vain to get the "Thought Giant" to talk. Our colleague is one-way.

          Slogan generator! If you write everything, there will not be enough kumach! laughing
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    6. siberalt
      siberalt 3 October 2014 23: 41
      +1
      Because they are called Americans, to make bribes smooth. What does America have to do with it? The target is not there at all. She is in London and in Paris, in Warsaw and in Moscow. Everywhere!!! It is necessary to kill the carriers of the ideology of the new slave system wherever they are! But for that, counter-ideology is needed. Have you seen her?
    7. Cynic
      Cynic 6 October 2014 11: 42
      0
      Quote: Thought Giant
      Only tough, firm anti-American stance will save Russia

      So I think that maybe it is not ANTI ... (it doesn’t matter who or what is important), but just a consistent PRO-RUSSIAN policy, huh?
      The rest will follow.
      wink
  3. Mooh
    Mooh 3 October 2014 18: 33
    +9
    Not a mistake, everyone is doing the right thing. We are not ready for an open confrontation with the West yet. It is necessary to take time, urgently rearm and carry out industrialization in a new way. But to reveal the lies of Obama and those who sympathize is, of course, right, but it will not lead to anything, who is interested, and so everyone knows, who cares, they will not hear.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 3 October 2014 18: 59
      +13
      The West has already finally "opened" this "confrontation" to us. They are already beating us with might and main (they have just not bombed the territory of the Russian Federation with strategic nuclear warheads), but for now we are only closing ourselves off and dodging. It is necessary to respond and respond harshly - to reduce the volume of hydrocarbon exports to Geyrop up to the complete cessation of supplies; no gas deliveries "on credit" for urkaina; freeze and subsequently nationalize through confiscation the assets of Western companies in the Russian Federation, etc. etc. "In war - as in war". The time for WORDS is over, the time for WORKS has come. We are waiting for concrete actions from the GDP.
      1. DV69
        DV69 3 October 2014 19: 04
        0
        Quote: OldWiser
        The West has already finally "opened" this "confrontation" to us. They are already beating us with might and main (they have just not bombed the territory of the Russian Federation with strategic nuclear warheads), but for now we are only closing ourselves off and dodging. It is necessary to respond and respond harshly - to reduce the volume of hydrocarbon exports to Geyrop up to the complete cessation of supplies; no gas deliveries "on credit" for urkaina; freeze and subsequently nationalize through confiscation the assets of Western companies in the Russian Federation, etc. etc. "In war - as in war". The time for WORDS is over, the time for WORKS has come. We are waiting for concrete actions from the GDP.


        Let's start with Ukraine. No one is supplying anything to her "on debt" and is not going to supply.
        If we stop exporting hydrocarbons to the EU, we will violate the contract and cease to be reliable suppliers. In addition, Russia, for failure to comply with the terms of the contract, will have to pay a penalty. Are you personally ready for such a development?
        1. mazhnikof.Niko
          mazhnikof.Niko 3 October 2014 19: 16
          +2
          Quote: DV69
          If we stop exporting hydrocarbons to the EU, we will violate the contract and cease to be reliable suppliers. In addition, Russia, for failure to comply with the terms of the contract, will have to pay a penalty. Are you personally ready for such a development?

          Personally, I’m ready, but only after those who introduced the SANCTIONS will return to Russia EVERYTHING that is now LOANED to Russia!

          May they return and pray that winter will be warmer!
          1. saag
            saag 3 October 2014 19: 30
            +4
            Quote: mazhnikof.Niko
            Personally ready

            It’s you who are now personally ready for everything, because this moment has not yet arrived, because for example, you may lose your earnings, such will be the economic situation
            1. mazhnikof.Niko
              mazhnikof.Niko 3 October 2014 20: 02
              +7
              Quote: saag
              It’s you who are now personally ready for everything, because this moment has not yet arrived, because for example, you may lose your earnings, such will be the economic situation



              I am begging you. I gave 35 calendars to the armed forces of the USSR and Russia. Candidate of Medical Sciences, military field surgeon, colonel of medical service, military veteran, participant in 4 local conflicts. And this means I have the corresponding benefits. And the most IMPORTANT thing is that I have the KNOWLEDGE and CRAFT of a surgeon, so I can open the Chiri on the ass of "office plankton" to death! Neither I nor my family will die of hunger.
              When the Ministry of Health Semashko asked JV Stalin to raise salaries, especially for "good doctors," Stalin said: "The people will feed a GOOD doctor!" So, I'm not afraid, but if you are afraid, then retrain.
              Good luck to you. I have the honor!
              1. saag
                saag 3 October 2014 20: 12
                0
                Quote: mazhnikof.Niko
                GOOD doctor people feed

                if the people have money, remember in the 90s how state pensioners were detained for pensions, despite the fact that the West paid for oil and gas, now imagine that it does not pay.
          2. DV69
            DV69 3 October 2014 19: 48
            0
            Quote: mazhnikof.Niko

            Personally, I’m ready, but only after those who introduced the SANCTIONS will return to Russia EVERYTHING that is now LOANED to Russia!

            May they return and pray that winter will be warmer!


            And are 4 trillion rubles ready to rearm the army? And are you ready to pay for violating the terms of the contract?
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            2. mazhnikof.Niko
              mazhnikof.Niko 3 October 2014 20: 07
              +2
              Quote: DV69
              And are 4 trillion rubles ready to rearm the army? And are you ready to pay for violating the terms of the contract?


              I, exhaustively, answered ABOVE.
              1. DV69
                DV69 3 October 2014 20: 13
                0
                Quote: mazhnikof.Niko

                I, disappearingly, answered ABOVE.


                You answered above, but where to get money for re-equipping the army, salaries for state employees, including doctors and teachers?
                You and your length of service should know where the money was taken from under the USSR.
                I agree that the state monopoly on vodka and tobacco is good, but drinking people and fighting for a healthy lifestyle is somehow duplicitous.
                1. mazhnikof.Niko
                  mazhnikof.Niko 3 October 2014 22: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: DV69
                  You and your length of service should know where the money was taken from under the USSR. I agree that the state monopoly on vodka and tobacco is good, but drinking people and fighting for a healthy lifestyle is somehow duplicitous.



                  I agree, because by virtue of my craft I don’t drink at all.

                  but who told you that money goes to the treasury from tobacco and vodka? Liberals? They lie to you! More A.S. Pushkin wrote about Eugene Onegin: - "I read Adam Smith (English economist) and knew that the state gets richer when it has a simple PRODUCT!"

                  A product appears when the State produces it T, E, WORKS, and does not "do business" like buy and sell.

                  Works in factories, factories and fields, and livestock farms ...

                  That was where the money came from in the USSR.
                  Yes, they didn’t live richly, well, so the Civil War, the restoration ...
                  WWII - recovery ...
                  The 1991 bourgeois counter-revolution ...
                  The complete devastation of the 90s ...
                  Ah, here is the recovery, so far, we don’t see ...
                  if we restore the POWER, there will be money in the treasury, and full-fledged money, as an equivalent of LABOR and PRODUCT, and not US "candy wrappers". In general, this is a long topic, it will not fit into a comment. But in short, in simple words, I suppose - he explained !?
                  1. DV69
                    DV69 3 October 2014 22: 24
                    -1
                    [quote = mazhnikof.Niko]

                    but who told you that money goes to the treasury from tobacco and vodka? Liberals? They lie to you! Also A.S. Pushkin wrote about Eugene Onegin: - "I read Adam Smith (English economist) and knew that the state gets richer when a simple PRODUCT has!" [Quote] [/ quote]

                    You understood me wrong. I wrote that in Soviet times, medicine, education and partly defense were kept on income received from the sale of alcohol and tobacco. And the liberals have nothing to do with it.
                    In my personal opinion, L.I. Brezhnev, who did not begin to implement the economic reforms proposed by Kosygin.
                    1. mazhnikof.Niko
                      mazhnikof.Niko 3 October 2014 22: 48
                      +1
                      Quote: DV69
                      In my personal opinion, L.I. Brezhnev, who did not begin to implement the economic reforms proposed by Kosygin.

                      It's your right. But it’s possible, from far away, to appoint anyone to blame! Everything is much more complicated.

                      For example: - Liberals are now JOKING: about free medicine. But there was no USSR free medicine. Medicine was paid for from the most perfect and fair MHI - it was a public consumption fund. Every citizen paid a little of his life to the fund, but HE scooped up the benefits from it: health care, education, HOUSING and low housing and communal services tariffs - there is nothing else ... And the state was responsible for this fund.

                      This fund was sacked after the bourgeois counter-revolution. Like many other things that the NATION has been creating for 70 years.
                      1. DV69
                        DV69 3 October 2014 22: 56
                        +1
                        mazhnikof.Niko


                        Judging by your length of service, you should perfectly understand what I mean.
                        Kosygin suggested giving light industry and trade to private hands. The Central Committee of the CPSU did not agree to this. As a result, there is a shortage in stores, and a people who, without thinking, replaced the Great Country with jeans and Coca-Cola.
                        Well, and who took advantage of this you already know.
                      2. mazhnikof.Niko
                        mazhnikof.Niko 4 October 2014 08: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: DV69
                        Judging by your length of service, you should perfectly understand what I mean. Kosygin suggested giving light industry and trade to private hands. The Central Committee of the CPSU did not agree to this.


                        I don’t know here.
                        Maybe if the Central Committee agreed, they would have received the bourgeois revolution much earlier.

                        In my opinion, trade should: 1) Give to private hands, but also leave the state. I am trading. (as it is today in Belarus) Let them compete! Also with light industry. It was not necessary to destroy everything, according to the Bolsheviks. In my opinion, it should have been evolutionary: to modernize the former state and build a new private.
                        But, for this, the president was needed not a traitor and ALCOHOLIC (Yeltsin) and the prime minister, nor an ignoramus (Gaidar).
                        However, history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. We have what NAS has (a joke)
                        I have the honor!
              2. Bayonet
                Bayonet 3 October 2014 20: 51
                +3
                Quote: mazhnikof.Niko
                I, exhaustively, answered ABOVE.

                Much more - you will take flour and potatoes for the treatment of "boil on a train", and what should others suck?
                1. mazhnikof.Niko
                  mazhnikof.Niko 3 October 2014 21: 15
                  +5
                  Quote: Bayonet
                  Much more - you will take flour and potatoes for the treatment of "boil on a train", and what should others suck?

                  Firstly, how do young people now say: "Who studied what"

                  Secondly: as the POWER teaches now: "Re-qualify"

                  Thirdly: I was asked "Are you personally ready? I answered why I am READY and what I will do."

                  Fourth: I will immediately answer the question: What if the people do not have money?
                  I will treat, but not "office plankton" - for free, but if the boil threatens life, I will treat even idlers for it. Why? Because he took the "oath of the Soviet doctor", and as a military doctor he also took the "Oath"

                  Does everyone understand now?
                  P / S / Who set the minus? More precisely, what is the minus? For honestly answering? Not comme il faut!
                  1. DV69
                    DV69 3 October 2014 21: 24
                    +2
                    Quote: mazhnikof.Niko
                    Quote: Bayonet
                    Much more - you will take flour and potatoes for the treatment of "boil on a train", and what should others suck?

                    Firstly, how do young people now say: "Who studied what"

                    Secondly: as the POWER teaches now: "Re-qualify"

                    Thirdly: I was asked "Are you personally ready? I answered why I am READY and what I will do."

                    Fourth: I will immediately answer the question: What if the people do not have money?
                    I will treat, but not "office plankton" - for free, but if the boil threatens life, I will treat even idlers for it. Why? Because he took the "oath of the Soviet doctor", and as a military doctor he also took the "Oath"

                    Does everyone understand now?
                    P / S / Who set the minus? More precisely, what is the minus? For honestly answering? Not comme il faut!


                    Here I am about the same. cons put without explaining why.
                    Your position is understandable, and I personally am very respected. Although I do not agree with you on everything.
                  2. muratore3
                    muratore3 3 October 2014 23: 26
                    +1
                    I agree with you a colleague 100%. Thank.
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                3. VOLOD
                  VOLOD 3 October 2014 21: 39
                  +2
                  That's just the point that it is not necessary to suck but to work. TO GIVE SOMETHING TO THE COUNTRY. people in this country. and then used to suck for 20 years.
                  1. mazhnikof.Niko
                    mazhnikof.Niko 4 October 2014 08: 39
                    0
                    Quote: VOLOD
                    That's just the point that it is not necessary to suck but to work. TO GIVE SOMETHING TO THE COUNTRY. people in this country. and then used to suck for 20 years.


                    Bravo! Great comment! As a like-minded person, I put a bold plus!
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        3. hyperion121
          hyperion121 3 October 2014 22: 02
          +1
          Indeed, a contract is a contract. Even before the war, 41 Soviet cargo went to Germany. Fulfillment of the contract does not prevent one from taking a tough stance in Ukraine.
          1. DV69
            DV69 3 October 2014 22: 04
            0
            Quote: giperion121
            Indeed, a contract is a contract. Even before the war, 41 Soviet cargo went to Germany. Fulfillment of the contract does not prevent one from taking a tough stance in Ukraine.


            Freight went from Germany to the USSR too. The supply contract was respected by both parties.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 3 October 2014 20: 46
        +1
        Quote: OldWiser
        reduce hydrocarbon exports to the geyropu until the complete cessation of supplies;

        And where will the money go to the budget? What will we eat, comrade? I understand that this is not the main thing for you, but still ...
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 4 October 2014 02: 34
          +1
          Quote: Bayonet
          And where will the money go to the budget?

          Something I do not understand, Alexander - at least kill! You already have a few comments here, the essence of which boils down to a terrible fear of being left without money! Sorry: Do you think that without the proceeds from the sale of gas to Europe, we will find ourselves in a financial hole? ..
          The state has a gold reserve, which is the property of Russia, and does not depend on the export of hydrocarbons - but only on the work of gold mining companies. There are significant reserve funds, which for some reason are not yet used in any way - just lie, "just in case." There are gigantic circulating assets that are spent by the people, including to pay for hydrocarbons, which are consumed in the domestic market several times more than exported! And the turnover of money is happening all the time, and economists know that the real value of the ruble is much higher, and its “impoverishment”, as it is now, is an exclusively artificial event.
          So - in case of refusal to supply geyroperam without a piece of bread, we will not stay. 400 billion turnover (!) WITH THE WHOLE EU - this is an insignificant part of the entire turnover of the country. And about the penalties: the Europeans are well aware that the penalty paid by Russia will not save them from the inevitably expensive American gas - so it would be more profitable for them to get out with Obamka, but maintain relations with the gas pipe from Russia. The question is to demonstrate a tough position, which for some reason our "top" is terribly afraid of.
        2. mazhnikof.Niko
          mazhnikof.Niko 4 October 2014 10: 14
          +1
          Quote: Bayonet
          And where will the money go to the budget? What will we eat, comrade? I understand that this is not the main thing for you, but still ...


          Yesterday, due to the late time, and the question seemed to be neither to me - I wanted to ignore it. But today I read it again and I was warped by your ernichnost over the (good Russian) word COMRADE.

          You do not like this appeal? Than?
          Do you prefer the appeal of the SIR? Are you thrilled with: - "Sir - yes! - Sir, like In the US Army?"

          I like the appeal, preserved in the Russian Army, even to the highest ranks of "COMRADES" - FOR EXAMPLE: - "Comrade Commander-in-Chief"!

          Now I will answer YOUR question.
          Quote: Bayonet
          And where will the money go to the budget? What will we eat, comrade? I understand that this is not the main thing for you, but still ...


          You are wrong, for sane people it is very important - what will his family eat!
          We will eat (neither loafers) what we CREATE, MAKE and EARN!
          Russia, will "get off" from the "pipe" and will begin to produce itself! Produce goods from hydrocarbons SAMA! At one time D. Mendelev (the great Russian chemist) said: - "To heat with oil is the same as to heat with banknotes"! THOSE. drown with money. So, now Mendeleev would say: - to trade in raw hydrocarbons is a crime! Russia start processing raw materials and selling them, with a high added value, and YOU Russia will become the richest country in the world! And if you still start plowing and sowing, you yourself will feed half of the WORLD! I have the honor, SIR!
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 4 October 2014 17: 58
            0
            Quote: mazhnikof.Niko
            Russia begin to process raw materials and sell them with high surplus value, and YOU Russia will become the richest country in the world! And if you still begin to plow and sow, you yourself will feed half of the WORLD! I have the honor, SIR!

            hi Bravo bravo! And many in the "mass of the people" understand this. That would be your words - yes, power in the ears!
            Our oligarchs will not invest in the development of production: this is a long-term investment, for several years! AND THEY NEED IT NOW - AND MNOGHOAAA! And only the blunt distillation of raw materials abroad can teach such a "strategy", and "after us - even a flood!"
            1. mazhnikof.Niko
              mazhnikof.Niko 5 October 2014 11: 35
              0
              Quote: avia1991
              Bravo bravo! And many in the "mass of the people" understand this. That would be your words - yes, power in the ears!


              Thank you for understanding! However, “among the masses” (judging by the reaction to my commentary) there are not many sAAA at all. Plus sign ONE - your go? Understand me correctly, I'm not chasing a rating, but THIS is a measure of the reaction of society ("IN") to the thought of the author of the comment! Thanks again for your understanding!
  4. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 3 October 2014 18: 34
    +12
    Germans about US politics:
  5. tomket
    tomket 3 October 2014 18: 35
    +3
    Well, they immediately see the Munich Agreement. For some reason, the author thinks that we will definitely capitulate. But the thought did not creep in that it was not the Munich agreement that was coming, but the Molotov Pact. What are we going to fight with? So we must proceed from the point of view that we will not be able to pull off a war now, just like in 39. And it is advisable to direct your impulses to ensure that 41 years does not happen again.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 3 October 2014 19: 04
      +6
      the ostrich position - "or maybe they won't be beaten to death" - will not give anything good. Those who don't fight back are killed. The one who fights still has a chance to survive - of the latter, the most striking example - Nestor Shufrich - fought back to the end and never went to the trash can.
  6. Russ69
    Russ69 3 October 2014 18: 35
    +12
    The political leadership of Russia can’t understand that Washington, and with it the whole of NATO Europe, has embarked on a full-scale defeat of Russia in Ukraine

    Now the question is no longer just about Russia's defeat in Ukraine, but defeat in general. But the leadership is engaged in saving its assets in the West, first of all.
    So, the Russian public expects, first of all, a new Munich speech from its commander-in-chief, where all the "and" will be dotted in relation to the unfolding US aggression,
    For the Kremlin, they are partners, which they are not regularly saying ...
    the Russian public expects a radical cleansing of all structures from "pro-Western agents" and, above all, from the financial bloc of the Cabinet of Ministers,

    Yeah dreaming ... Who will give a change. The bureaucrats and the oligarchs or what?
    Holy naivety ... smile
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 3 October 2014 19: 05
      +2
      Rotenberg especially his Italian economy - and how are you doing?
    2. coolvoldik
      coolvoldik 3 October 2014 20: 09
      0
      Nobody in general does not mind! But it is worth noting that garbage lustration is also not an option. And it will be difficult to catch Gref or Ulyukaev on the street and stick his head in the trash. Can you suggest real methods of counteracting liberals?
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 3 October 2014 21: 14
        0
        Quote: coolvoldik
        Can you suggest real methods of counteracting liberals?

        Really, only one way, elections. Only there is essentially no choice, except perhaps the Communists.
        1. coolvoldik
          coolvoldik 3 October 2014 22: 36
          +1
          I tried, it does not help. request
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    4. avia1991
      avia1991 4 October 2014 02: 37
      0
      Quote: Russ69
      Yeah dreaming ... Who will give a change. The bureaucrats and the oligarchs or what?
      No, but what if? what dreaming is not harmful ..
  7. MichaEL78
    MichaEL78 3 October 2014 18: 36
    +6
    Russians are a very patient and resilient nation. We are always under constant pressure, Europeans, then all sorts of Americans ... And then ... And then they regret it very, very much ... It was not for nothing that Bismarck wrote ... "Don't wake the Russian bear, let him sleep .. . "
    1. RU-Officer
      RU-Officer 3 October 2014 19: 08
      +3
      Exactly. Let’s better study the Soviet cartoons.
      Our Supreme Commander-in-Chief is now in the position of Leopold the cat - "Boy-yata, let's live together! .." drinks
      And God forbid they will bring them to the "wild boar" - we will pull all the mice out to fight angry
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 3 October 2014 19: 08
      0
      Mattress makers do not yet have such historical experience - direct contact of the "third kind" with Russia on the battlefield. And their affairs (and the rest of the West) are full of seams. Therefore, they climb. And they don't listen to smart people (both strangers and their own).
    3. rainufa
      rainufa 3 October 2014 19: 12
      +1
      Whoever in their government teaches Psak's story is an example.
  8. Wanderer H7
    Wanderer H7 3 October 2014 18: 38
    +6
    Quote: Giant thought
    Only a tough, firm anti-American stance will save Russia, otherwise we will all come with a kayuk.

    Alas, the Kremlin thieves are ready to merge everything for the sake of oil and gas, and not just the Donbass (((((Putin is either weak, or he’s tired of everything, or in proportion ... But I don’t want to believe the last ...
    1. DV69
      DV69 3 October 2014 18: 53
      +9
      Quote: Wanderer N7

      Alas, the Kremlin thieves are ready to merge everything for the sake of oil and gas, and not just the Donbass (((((Putin is either weak, or he’s tired of everything, or in proportion ... But I don’t want to believe the last ...


      Is Putin weak? Was it from weakness with Crimea that he returned to his homeland? Probably from weakness with China in national currencies began to trade? What thieves for gas and oil are ready to drain everything? Surnames, positions name. And what else, besides Donbass, did you nominate as candidates for the drain?
      1. ksv1973
        ksv1973 3 October 2014 19: 23
        -2
        Quote: DV69
        Quote: Wanderer N7

        Alas, the Kremlin thieves are ready to merge everything for the sake of oil and gas, and not just the Donbass (((((Putin is either weak, or he’s tired of everything, or in proportion ... But I don’t want to believe the last ...


        Is Putin weak? Was it from weakness with Crimea that he returned to his homeland? Probably from weakness with China in national currencies began to trade? What thieves for gas and oil are ready to drain everything? Surnames, positions name. And what else, besides Donbass, did you nominate as candidates for the drain?

        Yes, he is still young, inexperienced. You yourself weren’t like that, or what? The main thing is that the thinker. And that means ours.
      2. ksv1973
        ksv1973 3 October 2014 19: 23
        0
        Quote: DV69
        Quote: Wanderer N7

        Alas, the Kremlin thieves are ready to merge everything for the sake of oil and gas, and not just the Donbass (((((Putin is either weak, or he’s tired of everything, or in proportion ... But I don’t want to believe the last ...


        Is Putin weak? Was it from weakness with Crimea that he returned to his homeland? Probably from weakness with China in national currencies began to trade? What thieves for gas and oil are ready to drain everything? Surnames, positions name. And what else, besides Donbass, did you nominate as candidates for the drain?

        Yes, he is still young, inexperienced. You yourself weren’t like that, or what? The main thing is that the thinker. And that means ours.
      3. saag
        saag 3 October 2014 19: 33
        +3
        Quote: DV69
        Was it from weakness with Crimea that he returned to his homeland?

        And what did he get there, did someone seriously interfere with this?
        1. DV69
          DV69 3 October 2014 19: 51
          +2
          Quote: saag
          Quote: DV69
          Was it from weakness with Crimea that he returned to his homeland?

          And what did he get there, did someone seriously interfere with this?


          do you have blackouts? The entire "Western world" yells about it at every opportunity. And they didn’t interfere, because they weren’t ready, they didn’t expect.
          1. saag
            saag 3 October 2014 20: 16
            +1
            Quote: DV69
            Do you have memory lapses?

            No, it’s normal with memory, so they didn’t let Crimea take it right there? Kiev was occupied by Maidan and Yanukovych, they didn’t even think about Crimea, the west was also focused on events in Kiev, no one and nothing prevented us from doing what we did, we didn’t go to Kiev as Donbass, the National Guard was not there, well, who disturbed that?
            1. DV69
              DV69 3 October 2014 20: 28
              +1
              Quote: saag
              No, it’s normal with memory, so they didn’t let Crimea take it right there? Kiev was occupied by Maidan and Yanukovych, they didn’t even think about Crimea, the west was also focused on events in Kiev, no one and nothing prevented us from doing what we did, we didn’t go to Kiev as Donbass, the National Guard was not there, well, who disturbed that?


              The National Guard stopped the Semfiropol Berkut, occupying the Tatarsky Val, and installing machine guns there.
              And what did the West and Kiev do when Polite people appeared in Crimea?
              1. saag
                saag 3 October 2014 20: 32
                +1
                Quote: DV69
                National Guard stopped with

                There was no National Guard at that time, it appeared later, in connection with the events in Donbass, they did not stop anyone there, Berkut went in case the right sector didn’t stick in, but in reality there were no clashes except ukrovoyak with the political officer aka "America is with us" was not, this is not Slavyansk, where there really was a confrontation, in my opinion with the Crimea they are too worried like one hen and an egg, in comparison with Donbass, they generally just had a short out-of-town walk.
                1. DV69
                  DV69 3 October 2014 20: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: saag
                  Quote: DV69
                  National Guard stopped with

                  There was no National Guard at that time, it appeared later, in connection with the events in Donbass, they did not stop anyone there, Berkut went in case the right sector didn’t stick in, but in reality there were no clashes except ukrovoyak with the political officer aka "America is with us" was not, this is not Slavyansk, where there really was a confrontation, in my opinion with the Crimea they are too worried like one hen and an egg, in comparison with Donbass, they generally just had a short out-of-town walk.


                  There was also the National Guard, which was frightened by the armed "Berkut", and the ukroarmiya in front of the rampart and on the territory of Crimea, which was afraid of Polite people, and the pressure of Western "friends", who, in turn, were afraid of Russia.
      4. avia1991
        avia1991 4 October 2014 02: 54
        +2
        Quote: DV69
        Was it from weakness with Crimea that he returned to his homeland?

        Listen, stop singing these praises already, in your teeth is obtrusive! Crimea can not be taken in that situation - it was necessary to be idio. Then! If not for the Crimeans themselves, the same Aksyonov, Alexey Chaly (that's who is worthy of respect!) - not to see the Crimea of ​​Russia, as their ears! And most importantly, “ATO” would not be happening in Donbass now, because, due to the absence of a reason, the historical phrase “Russians don’t abandon their own!” Would not have been heard, which gave Donbass activists hope for help. And Ukraine would already be "associated" with Europe with might and main, under the tacit approval of the hohlyatsky masses ..
        In that situation, management acted spontaneously, but RESOLUTELY AND CORRECTLY, defending first of all - let's be honest! - the interests of Russia, not the Crimean people. But since there was neither a plan nor a strategy of action, in the future the sequence was disrupted, the resolve dropped, and disappeared somewhere .. We are now "observing the result with our own skin."
        And what else, besides Donbass, did you nominate as candidates for the drain?
        "I am tebe adzin clever veschch skaju - only ti ne abijaisa": Russia itself is a candidate for the "drain". It did not start today - mattress makers have long dreamed of this, and they still have not abandoned their idea. And there are little people "at the top" who have their "modest" interest in the implementation of this process. Yes, you yourself perfectly understand this! So the guy wrote nothing new and unusual.
  9. kostik1301
    kostik1301 3 October 2014 18: 38
    +1
    YES with such rulers as GDP and the entire liberal Cabinet, we will definitely help Novorosia, GDP should be tougher and not scream to the whole world that it will not review the results of privatization .....
    1. tomket
      tomket 3 October 2014 18: 43
      +1
      Quote: kostik1301
      a world that will not review privatization results

      But let's take an example of the "cultural revolution" in China. When the youth, inspired by Mao, set out to cleanse the country's elite. And as an indicator, I recommend paying attention to such an indicator as the release of the MiG-21 fighter under license. To make sure, so to speak, how the "cleansing" affected China's defense capability as a result of lightning-fast cleansing. We also passed 37 years, when the population began to show unhealthy initiative in relation to each other. So can we look for a new method?
      1. bubla5
        bubla5 3 October 2014 18: 55
        +3
        No, Putin is wrong with the question of the results of privatization, he’s just one of the oligarchs, and he has something to lose when reviewing the results, but in order to take away the land from the people for giving, please, they’re preparing
      2. Zuborez
        Zuborez 3 October 2014 20: 05
        +1
        21 MiG - "seamless" by the Chinese, like the T-62.
        Another thing is that the industrial base of China was created by the USSR.

        There, specialists of the older generation still speak good Russian.
        1. tomket
          tomket 3 October 2014 20: 27
          +1
          Quote: ZuboreZ
          21 MiG - "seamless" by the Chinese, like the T-62.

          21-f13 were handed over for development even before the breakup, but the influence of the "cultural revolution" on their release is very interesting.
          1. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 3 October 2014 21: 16
            0
            Quote: tomket
            21-f13 transferred to the development before the gap

            The MiG-21F13 was valuable only for the presence of the TsD-30TPM on it. And where could the Chinas in those days have to recruit the scarce lamps (electric vacuum) for servicing the specified equipment? A lamp, unlike a transistor, has a limited resource. As for the "transfer", so you laid the cool plot. They simply "took away" the N-th number of containers from supplies for the DRV.
    2. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 3 October 2014 19: 12
      +1
      openly - it won't, but "under the carpet" - it will be and how - "every last cent back to the state-corporate treasury." If you return it voluntarily and in an amicable way, then they will remain in office (Yakunin). If you don’t want it, then you have a choice: the Khodorkovsky option or the Berezovsky option. If in doubt, then the AFK Sistema option
    3. Russ69
      Russ69 3 October 2014 21: 19
      +2
      Quote: kostik1301
      YES with such rulers as GDP and the entire liberal Cabinet, we will definitely help Novorosia, GDP should be tougher and not scream to the whole world that it will not review the results of privatization .....

      And while the Kremlin militias slows down. When the Voentorg opened, I thought, but finally the Kremlin decided to act. But no one acted, only for one, to save his reputation within the country. And now again, in the Kremlin they took up the back seat to the west to lick ...

      03.10.14/20/50. XNUMX:XNUMX. Message from military observer Boris Rozhin.

      "The situation with the supply of military units of the Novorossiya army with weapons is close to deplorable - today there is an egregious situation when there are more people than small arms, heavy weapons and ammunition for them are not enough, most of the reserves were used up in the battles for Donetsk airport. Internal reserves are depleted, the military is in Accordingly, the army of Novorossiya was actually deprived of the opportunity to conduct offensive actions. The increase in volunteers remains (in Donetsk, quite a lot of young people join the army), but due to the lack of weapons and uniforms, it is actually very difficult to introduce them into combat units, the army of Novorossia ran into the resource limit , which cannot be overcome without Russia's help. Mozgovoy, to whom the flow of volunteers has increased, has similar problems. "
  10. SPR.ROS
    SPR.ROS 3 October 2014 18: 39
    +2
    This is even strange, but we (Russians) always ultimately defeated everyone who wanted to get hold of us at our expense!
    1. Akvadra
      Akvadra 3 October 2014 19: 07
      0
      Quote: SPR.ROS
      This is even strange, but we (Russians) always ultimately defeated everyone who wanted to get hold of us at our expense!

      But the main beneficiaries have always been mattresses. And now they want so. Candlesticks to sharpies in the face! "In the impudent red face!"
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 3 October 2014 19: 21
      +3
      We won fair battles. New information wars are still losing. In 1991, our country was defeated and divided. What will happen now ..?
      1. Tor hummer
        Tor hummer 3 October 2014 20: 10
        +2
        Quote: Gardamir
        We won fair battles. New information wars are still losing. In 1991, our country was defeated and divided. What will happen now ..?

        And in 17 they broke, and even more.
  11. Altona
    Altona 3 October 2014 18: 45
    +5
    We abandoned the decisive scenario, now we have what they have ...
    1. tomket
      tomket 3 October 2014 18: 51
      +10
      Quote: Altona
      We abandoned the decisive scenario, now we have what they have ...

      Given the Kharkov antics of the fraternal people, I personally think that a decisive scenario should be kept until the number of coffins in Western Ukraine exceeds 60 thousand. What would it be like during Vietnam that the people experienced how they kill him. But it’s too early. We’ll take it, but then they will walk about a hundred or two hundred years, as the Poles are offended by the whole world, for the fact that we have deprived them of the state, although they, like the Poles, themselves ...
  12. zavesa01
    zavesa01 3 October 2014 18: 46
    +6
    How does this monkey need war. How can one not become a racist. African tribes do not care about development still because of the pigs are fighting. So this native of the black continent imagines himself the leader of the tribe.

    The son of pros..ki and pigs.
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    2. ksv1973
      ksv1973 3 October 2014 19: 06
      +2
      Quote: zavesa01
      How does this monkey need a war ... African tribes do not give a damn about development still fighting over pigs. So this native of the black continent imagines himself the leader of the tribe.

      He does not need war, for he is no one at all. He is a simple puppet of the Rockefellers and other super-oligarchic families, ready for anything - just not to repeat the fate of John F. Kennedy. Look at his gait and movement. The maximum that he is capable of is dancing and rap in some negro quarter of a provincial American town!
      But, according to the constitution of his country, he was able to become president due to the fact that he was born on the territory of this country. He is not a native of Africa, unlike his uninhabited lions and hyenas of Kenyan ancestors.
  13. Federal
    Federal 3 October 2014 18: 49
    +1
    All this hysteria around our country as a new cold war has already begun and you cannot call it, in principle, it did not stop, it was just when Russia was silent and with all the conditions that were put forward to it, it was fine with euromatrasia, as soon as Russia rose a little and began to solve its problems on world level in world politics, restored its defense and immediately began hysteria from the former "partners". No one needs a strong Russia, our country will probably always be like Napoleons, Hitlers, Obamas and other evil spirits.
  14. vigor1288
    vigor1288 3 October 2014 18: 51
    +8
    Emotions, emotions and emotions again. And if it is sensible to reason, then I agree with vsoltan: An open and violent confrontation will bury all previously made efforts. The experience of the latest 2014 events of the year shows - the softer and quieter you enter, the deeper you enter
    1. ksv1973
      ksv1973 3 October 2014 19: 18
      0
      Quote: vigor1288
      Emotions, emotions and emotions again. And if it is sensible to reason, then I agree with vsoltan: An open and violent confrontation will bury all previously made efforts. The experience of the latest 2014 events of the year shows - the softer and quieter you enter, the deeper you enter

      Wow !!! Already erotica has gone! By the way - very gentle and timely. It's time to relax - Friday after all. wink
    2. ksv1973
      ksv1973 3 October 2014 19: 18
      0
      Quote: vigor1288
      Emotions, emotions and emotions again. And if it is sensible to reason, then I agree with vsoltan: An open and violent confrontation will bury all previously made efforts. The experience of the latest 2014 events of the year shows - the softer and quieter you enter, the deeper you enter

      Wow !!! Already erotica has gone! By the way - very gentle and timely. It's time to relax - Friday after all. wink
  15. Bronik
    Bronik 3 October 2014 18: 53
    +4
    As long as the oligarchs have influence on the president, and they have, he has to turn around already, when he can make the world-eaters reduce their greed and make them share. Or, to begin with, seriously support our In the pre-war situation, the economy should work for the army, and who has the bulk of the money in the country? Dispossession, of course, is not good, but it seems necessary, for those who do not want to unfasten themselves by defense.
    1. DV69
      DV69 3 October 2014 18: 59
      0
      Quote: bronik
      As long as the oligarchs have influence on the president, and they have, he has to turn around already, when he can make the world-eaters reduce their greed and make them share. Or, to begin with, seriously support our In the pre-war situation, the economy should work for the army, and who has the bulk of the money in the country? Dispossession, of course, is not good, but it seems necessary, for those who do not want to unfasten themselves by defense.


      And what influence do oligarchs have on the President? So much money is being invested in the defense industry that it (the industry) cannot use this money.
      And about dispossession, this is certainly not good, sometimes it is necessary. Khodorkovsky was dispossessed, and our oligarchs, and not only they, began to pay taxes. Now Yevtushenkov is under investigation, let's see what conclusions the economic "elite" will draw from this.
  16. Chaika
    Chaika 3 October 2014 18: 56
    +8
    Article +, but still
  17. sazhka4
    sazhka4 3 October 2014 18: 56
    0
    Already 1001 times have asked "Announce the entire list please" If the "iPhone" has no "plans" except for the "iPhone"? After all, I wonder how the "prime minister" has a buggy brain. Where can a simple peasant go? I have not played enough "kid" yet .. The state program is sucked out of the finger .. A little "set of general and non-binding" words. But listening to all this rubbish is no longer interesting. It is a difficult case .. The production was "lost"? Education canceled? NO .. As agreed, they destroyed everyone .. Why else are they breathing. They are Russians .. They are poxyi
  18. jktu66
    jktu66 3 October 2014 18: 57
    +1
    Everything seems to be correct, but is it worth giving vent to emotions? Russia is by a hair's breadth from the war, and, as usual, is not ready for it. Silenok needs to be picked up a little in very difficult conditions. In fact, we were introduced to the world as an "evil empire". Russia's angry response will only increase the negative towards us. There is no need to find fault with the peaceful words of our politicians, you need to look at things.
  19. Roman_999
    Roman_999 3 October 2014 18: 59
    +4
    "We will not let the Ukrainians freeze!"


    The main comma to put correctly.


    But seriously, the USA is already annoying with its tone and teachings, they are not our dad and not mom, and not even mother-in-law. therefore, let the banana-American stick his opinion deeply deep and there he is kept away from people. With Ukraine, we ourselves will solve the problem, without outsiders.
  20. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 3 October 2014 19: 01
    +2
    As M. Delyagin said, if you give a wad of dollar bills to DAM and his government, they will sell everything that is possible and is impossible.
  21. Loner_53
    Loner_53 3 October 2014 19: 01
    +4
    In support of this position, an agreement was held in Berlin, according to which the supply of Russian gas in the amount of 5 billion cubic meters to the territory of Ukraine should be resumed - in the absence of any guarantees of payment for these supplies from the Kiev junta, but in exchange for a promise to pay past debts. "We will not let the Ukrainians freeze!" - Barack Obama commented on this news triumphantly.
    Excuse me Comrades, have I missed something? If it’s true that we are giving the fascists gas. Shock! am
    1. schizophrenic
      schizophrenic 3 October 2014 19: 30
      +1
      Article, misinterprets some facts. Another order.
      Quote: Loner_53
      fascists gas
  22. Revolver
    Revolver 3 October 2014 19: 06
    0
    In my inexperienced view, Russia simply needs to bend its line and wait without loud statements. The Obama presidency will end. The new president will most likely be a Republican. But whoever he was, he did not put his personal reputation at stake in the confrontation, in particular in Ukraine. Therefore, unlike Obama, you can talk to him without fear of hurting his personal pride (or what Obama means by personal pride). Moreover, Obama very soon will not be up to it. The election promises to further increase the preponderance of Republicans in Congress and, quite possibly, the control of Republicans in the Senate. And budgetary issues in the United States are the prerogative of the legislative branch, without the approval of Congress Obama cannot spend a cent, and without money it will not be possible to pursue a policy, including foreign policy.
    Something like that.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 3 October 2014 19: 41
      -1
      Quote: Nagan
      In my inexperienced view, Russia just needs to bend its line and wait

      Not just sitting and waiting, but trying to negotiate with the sensible leaders of some countries. As soon as opponents of aggravation of relations with Russia appear inside the EU, all this opposition from the countries will collapse like a house of cards.
      And what directly concerns the USA.
      The American economy doesn’t seem to be able to draw out debt, which is increasingly requiring budgetary cuts. For this reason, the line went out of the recession through the war. Given the new realities, Americans do not want to do this with their own hands. Rather, they use the whole range of opportunities from feeding nationalists and fascists to direct bombing.
      The goal is to plunge the world into chaos
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 4 October 2014 09: 32
        0
        As I understand it, a comrade from USA did not like my comment
  23. novel68rus
    novel68rus 3 October 2014 19: 08
    0
    I think that a step in the right direction has already been taken .. Putin said that gas and oil for rubles will be sold not only to China but also to the west .. this is a strong blow to the dollar and the economy of mattresses angry
  24. family tree
    family tree 3 October 2014 19: 11
    +1
    Maybe just put "Tochka" on the corner of Irininskaya and Vladimirskaya in Kiev, and say in an official message that matches are not toys for children? And to hint to others that games with flammable objects do not bring to good? what
    1. saksan
      saksan 4 October 2014 02: 48
      0
      With sling cutters too. Double-edged.
  25. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 3 October 2014 19: 12
    +1
    Unfortunately, now we cannot openly oppose the West ... there is no strength ... I'm not talking about the army ... but about people ... if now all traitors are removed from at least the government ... then our country will stop its existence ... there are too many of them in the state (at least half of the government .. almost the entire State Duma .. cb .. many controlling and inspection bodies (the same antimonopoly) .. about the oligarchy I am silent even .. they have almost all power in their hands. it is with them (they pretend to be their "high-quality" work ... and they are ready to surrender the country at any moment. Therefore, time..time ... wasting time again. And you and I need to really think ... beat (that everyone can) .. but really think ... are we ready to stand up for the homeland ... for our land ... not for the house ... the car ... and the mortgage ... (which in case of a bad scenario we will lose ..we will lose everything) ... but for the land? and most importantly, to stand not only with weapons in hand ... but ideologically? we are not ready for this day, unfortunately (on September 21 it was visible) .. because against a couple of thousandliberals had to come out spontaneously 10 thousand ordinary citizens ... and show that..that the country is not happy with them now..and not to verb..type we have a vaccination now ... these German clowns should not be taken seriously. we don't have any vaccinations !!! no! vaccination is when the people themselves disperse the peace marches under all sorts of fascist flags.
    I myself was not there .. I repent ... and I will not make excuses. therefore, I suggest that everyone really think ... what is more important to us ... our Homeland ... or a bad world.
    1. Alexander S.
      Alexander S. 3 October 2014 19: 22
      +6
      By the way, here I often read comments ... they write ... we Russians always defeated all enemies ... we always drove everyone away ... and so on and so on. Yes ... I agree ... in history we all bent ... But now 2014 ... not the 45th ... not the 1812th ... and so on ... and specifically, you and I have not won anyone yet ... and a good example is quite recent .. when you and I (again specifically) miserably lost to the West (the 91st year) ... It was our grandfathers and great-grandfathers who won ... but not us.
      1. mist4
        mist4 3 October 2014 22: 40
        0
        Just grandfathers did not have computers.
    2. mist4
      mist4 3 October 2014 22: 42
      +1
      Before the war, the 5s were shot down by hundreds and nothing, they won the war.
  26. icon
    icon 3 October 2014 19: 20
    +3
    Ooh, another opinion of the couch warrior. Again, Putin, NATO and everything else is intertwined, but he did not write about the light bulb broken in the entrance, because "we have no time for worldly vanity, the Motherland is in danger!" Bravo, strategist, plus your karma. Warriors-heroes are only in the cinema: he served, fought, died with heroism. About digging trenches, long years of wandering in parts, betrayal of a friend who was still faithful before the army is not removed: there is not enough time for a vivid plot, not diluted with a frenzied life. Is it really necessary? Therefore, either a backpack is the nearest hotspot in the pursuit of combat experience, or a TV set and beer. You can't leave everything like that, I have a family, children, though they look like a neighbor, a loan, a boss. Where am I going already? And the Motherland is in danger. "Wife, I have no time to take out the garbage, suddenly there is a war, and I am tired."
    1. mist4
      mist4 3 October 2014 22: 39
      0
      Listen up. expensive. would you answer. what happened to Kursk? maybe P told you, but forgot me?
      1. icon
        icon 4 October 2014 18: 24
        0
        Every day dies many times more, but you remembered about Kursk.
  27. Flinky
    Flinky 3 October 2014 19: 23
    0
    Again all-crawlers.
    Minus.
  28. hunn
    hunn 3 October 2014 19: 24
    0
    Our problem, in my opinion, is the liberal government, the Central Bank controlled by the Fed and the corrupt layer in the field from governors to the smallest chapters there is something under the roof of EP
    1. mist4
      mist4 3 October 2014 22: 36
      0
      YES EVERYTHING is rotten. confirmations will be soon, very soon, even with a hunchback they were cunning, they depicted friends. and with this they just spit on a mug and how normal everything is, it’s clear that money was stuck at sunset.
      1. DV69
        DV69 3 October 2014 22: 39
        0
        Quote: tuman4
        YES EVERYTHING is rotten. confirmations will be soon, very soon, even with a hunchback they were cunning, they depicted friends. and with this they just spit on a mug and how normal everything is, it’s clear that money was stuck at sunset.


        If they "spit in a mug" and not "portray friends" then they could not buy the country's leadership, like Gorbachev. So not everything is rotten.
  29. Sour
    Sour 3 October 2014 19: 28
    +2
    The article contains propaganda cliches that are already tired.
    Of course, we need to get out of the "Washington consensus" and the associated model of an oligarchic resource-based economy

    The raw material model of the Russian economy is not a consequence of any "consensus". She inherited from the USSR. In the 70-80s, our economy was no less resource-based than it is now.
    In 1985, the share of oil and gas in Soviet exports was 53%, about the same as now.
    And if we take exports not from the USSR, but from Russia, then this share was even higher.
    The share of export of raw materials with us has been growing since 1960. Since the same year, food imports have increased. From 1960 to 1985, the share of imported grain in the consumption of the USSR increased from 0,2% to 20% (100 times), the share of imported meat from 1,5% to 7,5% (5 times).
    Only facts and nothing but them.
    Our problems are old, rooted in the distant past, and so simply they can not be solved.
    1. bda
      bda 4 October 2014 20: 40
      0
      In 1985, the share of oil and gas in Soviet exports was 53%, about the same as now.

      Where does this data come from?
      If you look at the collections of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR, then in the period indicated by you the fuel and electricity (!) accounted for about 45% of exports (industrial products - about 40%).
      And in Russia, for example, 2012, only crude oil and non-refined gas - 45%, other products of the fuel and energy complex - another 25% (total - 70%), despite the fact that the share of engineering products is 5%.
      It is difficult to make an absolutely exact comparison, since the "cutting by export structure" of modern Russian statistics does not correspond to the Soviet ones.
      Why do you think?
  30. zol1
    zol1 3 October 2014 19: 31
    +2
    the Russian public is waiting for retaliatory measures against the Kiev fascist junta and victory, which will stop the neo-Nazi revenge from revising the results of the Great Patriotic War.


    No more, no less! We are waiting! We are waiting for cleansing, we are waiting for liberation from this filth of previous years, looking into the anus of the West and admiration for the "values ​​of the so-called Western democracy"! Russia has always had its own road in this world and to turn off it is tantamount to suicide! Russia has never wished harm to anyone, but in relation to itself it also does not want it! We expect from the authorities decisive steps to protect our statehood and independence from external manifestations of destabilization from the amers and others in their wake!
  31. Indifferent
    Indifferent 3 October 2014 19: 32
    +1
    A lot of words and a little sense! Putin is confined to a narrow range of political maneuvers. On the one hand, we may not have enough reserves to cope with the sanctions, but they may be added. On the other hand, save New Russia. Therefore, you need not scream from the UN stands, especially since it is useless, but wait for Ukraine to strangle itself. It’s not so long to wait. Until spring. And nobody is going to deliver gas to her for free. At least there are no such solutions yet.
    1. saag
      saag 3 October 2014 19: 40
      +1
      Quote: indifferent
      and wait for Ukraine to strangle itself. It’s not so long to wait.

      some are waiting for winter, you are spring, what is the sacred meaning of these seasons? Hoping for nature? In order to strangle Ukraine, it is not necessary to wait for spring, winter or summer, the Russian Federation has three billion securities of Ukraine, it is enough to put them up for sale in one lot
      1. Sour
        Sour 3 October 2014 19: 49
        0
        Quote: saag
        wait for spring, winter or summer is not necessary, the Russian Federation has three billion securities of Ukraine,

        We'll have to wait for winter, spring and summer.
        And even the next fall will have to wait. Because the maturity of these bonds is December 2015.
  32. Rudolf Abel
    Rudolf Abel 3 October 2014 19: 35
    -4
    A provocative little article ... the Kremlin always has something to respond to anything ... to sanctions, threats, etc. ... you just need to remember that the "helm" is such people ... who everyone knows 10 steps ahead smile
    1. I read the news
      I read the news 3 October 2014 19: 57
      +3
      One extra poster
  33. Karabas
    Karabas 3 October 2014 19: 43
    +6
    The article is correct, it's time to end this idiocy, otherwise we will be crushed, and very quickly. The louder we call for peace and dialogue, the more impudent and impudent gentlemen "crap" become.
    1. mist4
      mist4 3 October 2014 22: 29
      0
      Gopnik, as there are Gopnik.
  34. rus-5819
    rus-5819 3 October 2014 19: 43
    +3
    The dog is breaking, but the caravan is moving! But when the dog bites, its tail is cut off (up to the ears). Maybe it's time to send the "Peace March" to the Nadym region? I think their mines are tired of waiting there.
    1. mist4
      mist4 3 October 2014 22: 28
      +1
      Yes, they have been absent-minded in the Kolyma for a long time, but Stalin died. permits are over.
  35. raven75
    raven75 3 October 2014 19: 47
    +4
    Yes zapadlo Putin throw pearls in front of pigs. And Vaska listens and eats. The word is silver and silence is gold. What else is there, I don't remember offhand. So what if the West is screaming and threatening? So what if oil and gas "flow like a river to Europe" and our rockets fly to the ISS. The country does not need money or what? Is money circulating in Western banks? Maybe they are spinning, maybe not. In any case, the authors of the article did not hold a candle over the hypothetical "spinners". Even if they are spinning, it is definitely not to the detriment of Russia. And in general, ordinary people simply cannot understand the actions of the leaders of states, no matter how they are called (king, king, emperor, president). Not because they are stupid, but because they are not the rulers of the state. Moreover, such as Russia. All the more so at a time when our country rose from its knees, on which it was placed not by an external enemy, but by an internal one. External is an enemy with an enviable ... No, not with an enviable (to hell with such envy), if the matter was really serious, he grabbed the fucking stars. Locally, then we sometimes received them, where without it ... But here's an internal enemy, especially in the days of the "rulers", who, if you follow the logic of the authors of the article, acted correctly, pizdo ... or, without closing their mouths, did loud statements, etc., etc. (Gorbach and EBN). These two aforementioned pancakes. And hopefully get theirs. One has already received, the other is on its way ... I would NEVER want to be in Stalin's place. Monstrous (no fools) power, but no less monstrous responsibility. Stalin coped with everything and everyone. I would never have been able to. Not a hat for Senka. In general, we'll see. Vladimir Putin is now in a difficult situation and we are together with him. And making hasty conclusions is utter folly. Let's wait ...
    1. Roman 11
      Roman 11 3 October 2014 20: 12
      -3
      Quote: raven75
      .V. Putin is now in a difficult situation and we are with him. And to draw early conclusions, utter stupidity. Let's wait ...
      I think he’s fine) So smiling in front of the cameras, maybe a little under the shafe? And then, what to worry about? In the Donbass, dill is weeded, if there is a homosexual, we turn off the gas, we will turn off the China replacement ....... there is nothing to worry about, there is discomfort for the oligarchs, but it seems that they began to understand that people can, if something like in Donbass with Akhmetov .......
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  36. azbukin77
    azbukin77 3 October 2014 19: 51
    +2
    Yes, I have no words, I can’t sit on two chairs !!!! It’s time to decide for a long time !!!!
  37. capitosha1rang
    capitosha1rang 3 October 2014 19: 52
    +3
    "... It is impossible to put an end to the existence of Russia" already because Greater Russia, with the exception of the capitals and cities with a population of one million, all these sanctions and threats are far from the drum. The country has survived for the last 500 years, relying only on its own strength, patience and sharpness of the peoples inhabiting this territory, so it survives today.
    Nothing has changed for the better in the province, and nothing has changed for the worse. This is with us.
    And what do they have - the USA and the EU?
    The underbelly of the white race is about to reveal a sharp Islamic dagger (see the video of demonstration-training executions), Latin America is boiling with traditional protest, China is ready to give each representative of the "golden race" a bamboo root.
    The feeling is that all the rulers involved in Big politics know something that makes them behave like bluffing players, they know that two or three more cones and bluffs will be revealed, but they’re penniless, finally, to the best of their ideas and capabilities.
  38. comm
    comm 3 October 2014 19: 55
    +2
    Russian business invested a lot of money in Ruin. Russian business is interested in preserving investments and return on them. Therefore, the real model is much more complicated than the reputable authors drew.
  39. Romass
    Romass 3 October 2014 19: 56
    0
    We must first uproot the root of all this shit-shit. And others like them seeing all this - they will finish them themselves. Until we defend ourselves ....
  40. Dbnz
    Dbnz 3 October 2014 19: 58
    0
    Quote: DV69
    The article is a set of anti-Putin stamps. If the forum often talks about cheers-patriotism, then here the authors give such a pessimistic forecast of the development of events that it’s just scary to get how bad everything is.

    I totally agree.
    As for gas: "Let us remind you that the previous meeting took place on September 26. As a result of the meeting, the parties agreed that Kiev will pay most of the debt to Gazprom for the fuel already supplied. And the issue of resuming gas supplies to Ukraine has not yet been resolved."

    Read more on NTV.Ru: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1226123/#ixzz3F6AoCRHN
    1. mist4
      mist4 3 October 2014 22: 20
      +1
      so they told you what was decided and what was not decided, is there a lot of honor?
  41. Roman 11
    Roman 11 3 October 2014 20: 01
    +2
    Everything that we have seen in recent days in the international arena and, above all, around the events related to Ukraine and Novorossia, speaks of only one thing. Washington and its allies have issued an ultimatum to the Kremlin that is getting tougher with each passing day, while Russia is desperately making efforts to form a compromise and maintain the "current status quo."
    There is an observation and it suggests that the Kremlin has already hammered a nail on everything and got into a quiet booze while givi, motorola and Abkhaz spill dill in Donetsk. And then all this Western homosexual began to get tired of changing events, for example, in Hong Kong it’s restless! Just as the Yankees decided to cheat on China for supporting us?
  42. morprepud
    morprepud 3 October 2014 20: 01
    -2
    For the words of the author:
    Russia's positions are becoming less and less strong in the international arena, and the political and socio-economic situation in our country is slowly but steadily destabilizing.
    you can safely put a "minus"! ALARMIST!!!
    1. mist4
      mist4 3 October 2014 22: 17
      +2
      Look at the dollar exchange rate, the hero of the Far East.
  43. sergeybulkin
    sergeybulkin 3 October 2014 20: 12
    +1
    So what do the authors suggest ???
    But they don’t offer anything!
    Empty, stupid chatter!
  44. Siberian
    Siberian 3 October 2014 20: 16
    +2
    .............. If there had not been Ukraine, another CIS country would have appeared ... recall Moldova, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia .. now Ukraine is here ... all these are links of one chain .. and where its beginning and a no brainer ... No one needs a strong Russia, except for her own .......................
  45. Korvin1000
    Korvin1000 3 October 2014 20: 17
    0
    Not in the subject, but there is news from the FM radio business. Europe said that if the militia takes the airport, they will impose new sanctions.
    The question is, what is there at this airport?
    And dill stick to the ruins, do not spare life, and Europe is afraid for it.
    Apparently, what is valuable there in the underground Stalinist bunkers! It must be repulsed.
    1. pest
      pest 3 October 2014 21: 01
      +2
      This is a matter of principle, we must finish off the creatures. And as for the sanctions, I am surprised that we have not yet been hanged on for the spread of the Ebola virus in Burkina Faso. The geyropa with Obama will squeal for a long time, but do not, as they say, pay attention to an elephant on a pug. Maybe she will die from a screech.
  46. saag
    saag 3 October 2014 20: 26
    +2
    Quote: Korvin1000
    The question is, what is there at this airport?

    In material terms, nothing, just the West is putting pressure on the Kremlin to put pressure on the Donbass, the Kremlin is doing something like this, but the militias are taking the airport, for the West it’s an indicator of Putin’s disobedience, they now promise new sanctions, something like that in my opinion
  47. voliador
    voliador 3 October 2014 20: 31
    +4
    It is necessary to withdraw money from Pindocia, and invest in our economy - in mechanical engineering, microelectronics, new technologies, etc. In the meantime, our money feeds this overseas monkey, which, in gratitude for this, also scumbles us on every corner. am
  48. voliador
    voliador 3 October 2014 20: 33
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    The trend, however ...
  49. voliador
    voliador 3 October 2014 20: 35
    +4
    Will their next president sit on a palm tree?
  50. frezer
    frezer 3 October 2014 20: 37
    +1
    Russia reserved the right to a military response if air strikes by an international coalition led by the United States are launched against objects of government troops and infrastructure of the Bashar al-Assad regime, WND.com reports September 29.
    On the sidelines of negotiations with UN representatives, Russia expressed concern that coalition strikes on Syrian territory are a violation of international law. Russia warned that it could potentially strike back if the United States or Arab countries bomb any targets in Syria controlled by that country's government.
    Officials told WND that they had no information about the seriousness of the Russian threat and whether Moscow had in mind the possibility of delivering a direct military strike against the coalition forces or whether it would help Assad’s regime with military equipment and weapons.
    It is also reported that the Russian and Iranian armed forces are on high alert due to the situation in Syria.
    The U.S. said the coalition attacks the headquarters of the terrorists in the northern Syrian city of Tel Abyad, located along the Turkish border. Http://swip.su/rossiya-prigrozila-voennym-otvetom-oon/