Ukraine is the birthplace of Darth Vader

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Odious tricks "puppy" already became the talk of the town. About how ukry-savages are kinky, descended a few steps back in their development, many have heard. And so I don’t even want to mention who in the Rada once again made a face, who was once again placed in the trash, and where the Natsik in balaclava again demolished the monument. Complete crap ...



By the way, about the "dope". At the maydaun forums, they are perplexed, "to whom the Moskal have been shaken up by the brave men, they have been selling" a cosmic rad_t ". It is about this:

Ukraine is the birthplace of Darth Vader


Still the residents of the Square should not clap their eyes in surprise and scratch their heads! In their country, such “cosmic joy” is sold absolutely legally and at every corner. Pay hryvnia and ivy "for health".



So, in particular, they advertise psychoactive synthetic smoking mixtures in one of the online stores of Ukraine (if you believe promotion, brain loss is guaranteed to smokers):



And this is another advertising advertiser from the Ukrainian spice sellers:



PR on the verge of realities, or narcotic phantasmagoria. Ukrainians with all the forces sit on the dope. I have to admit it.



For your information:

"Spice ("Spice", K2) is one of the brands of synthetic smoking blends supplied for sale in the form of grass with a chemical applied. It has a psychoactive effect similar to that of marijuana. Currently, synthetic cannabinoids, which are active Spice substances, are banned in Russia, the United States and many countries of the European Union.".


And, by the way, not in vain prohibited. According to doctors, the spice causes a mental disorder, mental disorders, as well as the emergence and development of mental diseases of the brain. In other words, Ukraine is turning ... Ukraine is turning ... into an asocial country.

PS By the way, personally it doesn’t surprise me anymore how in the ranks of the candidates to deputies to the Verkhovna Rada this autumn there were already six DART VIDEOS.

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  1. +6
    3 October 2014 10: 17
    and also the birthplace of "rose-colored glasses"!
    1. +6
      3 October 2014 10: 31
      It begins to look very much like the Chinese Opium Wars at the beginning of the 20th century.
      1. ughhh
        +5
        3 October 2014 10: 42
        The next stage is hard drugs, intravenous. 90s Russia it already passed ...
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    3. +6
      3 October 2014 11: 31
      and also, they have a space guardsman - Klitschko!
      Yes, there they hitched them all to this h.r.e., who does not smoke, he drinks tea ...
      they cannot be explained differently!
      "Shoot with nuclear weapons"
      "Nuclear attack in Lugansk" ...
      Yes, a lot of such mistakes ..
    4. +2
      3 October 2014 12: 06
      Well, this is about the Maidan ... as for the rest of the time, who has a refutation that no one adds anything to the mercenaries, the national guard and the ordinary people?
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    6. +4
      3 October 2014 12: 08
      Do not think of me as an "anashist propagandist", but hemp is not quite what it is written about. We are all adults here. "The pipe of" Peace "was passed in a circle by the Indians. And our northern people did not lag behind (the body does not tolerate alcohol). Catching a weed smoker is quite easy. That is why there are a lot of numbers on opening and fighting ... Five or six people started And according to the law, it turns out that each of them is a drug dealer, since he handed the joint to the next one. Interesting, right? But this is a fact! And from each of them, for an excuse, you can have bread and butter. Very few people get used to cannabis.) But "anashists" mess up the whole serious drug business. It is the one that spreads "hard" drugs with irreversible consequences for the body. Business according to ... But there is another thing - the deliberately planned extermination of the people. And here the marivanna is powerless. Drugs synthesized in laboratories were used, and let them talk that even chemistry students can supposedly invent them - it's all a lie. There are technologies and they have been launched in Russia. And it doesn't matter who distributes, but where it came from. nor x our law enforcement agencies have short hands, unfortunately. hi
    7. +3
      3 October 2014 13: 12
      Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
      and also the homeland of "rose-colored glasses"

      Well, the territory of blue glasses to the heap ... feel
      1. 0
        3 October 2014 14: 01
        almost all mixtures are brought from China
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  2. +23
    3 October 2014 10: 18
    Spaniards, clip.

    1. +4
      3 October 2014 11: 10

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    2. +5
      3 October 2014 13: 23
      Strong. While watching this Spanish clip, I remembered about D. Ibarruri. That's who gulped grief in life. He buried three of his little children who did not live to be a year old ... He got into debt in order to buy a coffin and pay at least some funeral rites ... Well, who knew what fascism was ... It’s a pity that Spain almost forgot about her ...
  3. +9
    3 October 2014 10: 21
    The systematic destruction of Ukrainians and Ukraine. As I understand it, the ruling structures of Ukraine and the international community are satisfied with this scenario.
  4. +8
    3 October 2014 10: 22
    Now everything is clear why dill behaves inappropriately ... laughing
  5. +5
    3 October 2014 10: 24
    They smoke, smoke a lot in Ukraine, that's why they jump so long and furiously, and they themselves sit in garbage cans and "invite" others there!
  6. +12
    3 October 2014 10: 24
    So this is the reason for all the actions from Kiev - they are all under the spice. wassat
    1. +7
      3 October 2014 10: 38
      Quote: name
      So this is the reason for all the actions from Kiev
    2. +10
      3 October 2014 11: 18
      For another reason, they will not be admitted to the European Union, they will only be milked worse. What has been well known behind the scenes of world politics for a long time, what was calculated just as well in the Kremlin, and what most Ukrainian citizens, as well as their hapless politicians, do not know about? For example, why will no one ever accept Ukraine into the EU? The well-known financial analyst Alexander Okhrimenko gave a completely exhaustive answer to this main question of Ukrainian life. The fact is that according to EU legislation, the number of MPs in the European Parliament depends on the number of the country's population. Previously, small countries such as Lithuania or Slovakia were accepted into the EU without any problems - the population is small and, accordingly, their deputies are few. If Ukraine or Turkey is admitted to the EU (it is also not accepted for the same reason, although it applied for EU membership more than 10 years ago), then there will be a problem. Automatically, the number of deputies from Ukraine plus deputies from Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and other Eastern European countries will be greater than from France or Germany, including their main allies. As a result, Germany and France will lose control not only over the European Parliament, but most importantly - over the EU government. Why do they need it? To please some Poroshenko, some heroes of the next Maidan? They did not create the EU for the purpose of sharing power over themselves and the most "avaricious" niches in the world economy with some kind of Ukraine.
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  7. +6
    3 October 2014 10: 24
    What can I say .... they are patients of the Sklifosovsky Institute, so to speak, material for study by students in the pathology course.
  8. +5
    3 October 2014 10: 25
    Finally, the riddle is coming out, the ruins, which tormented many, SOLVED !!! So that's what they use !!! "Farewell to the brain ..." Now it is clear where Svidomo "shchenevmerlikov" got such thinking and SUCH actions! Ukro-ruin urgently needs practicing psychiatrists, and in large numbers. Urgently! Not a day to lose!
  9. +7
    3 October 2014 10: 26
    The sellers didn't think to use the slogan "Feel like you are in Europe" or something like that. Then all svidomye for spice will line up.
    1. +1
      3 October 2014 17: 33
      I agree, Ukraine is already Europe, so we need the slogan "hoh.lyandiya tse hollandia" that is allowed there, so we can! Who does not smoke, that m..cal smile
  10. +12
    3 October 2014 10: 26
    Read the composition of Roshen sweets. He, apparently, is also sitting on this dope! laughing
    1. +1
      3 October 2014 12: 10
      http://politikus.ru/events/13133-andrey-vadzhra-klichko-vozit-na-maydan-boevye-p

      sihostimulyatory-armii-ssha.html


      Klitschko drove to the Maidan fighting psychostimulants of the US Army


      Quote from text:
      Then I had a meeting with the colonel of one of the law enforcement agencies. He said that Klitschko on the Maidan carries bags (under the guise of sports drugs) combat psychostimulants of the US Army (included in the first aid kits of special forces). Who does not know what it is, I explain ... These drugs are drugs. After they have been consumed through 20-60 minutes, the body enters a phase of hyperactive state, accompanied by improved mood, increased mental and physical activity, a feeling of a rush of energy, the appearance of a feeling of self-confidence, his abilities and capabilities. When taking such drugs in humans, the need for rest and sleep disappears. With large doses, intense mental arousal occurs, and active wakefulness can last up to three days.




      Apparently, the Maidan continues ... who prevents other "klitschko" from continuing to supply Ukraine with drugs under the guise of a noble mission?
      1. +1
        3 October 2014 17: 47
        Quote: GRAMARI111
        At high doses, intense mental arousal sets in, and active wakefulness can last up to three days.

        Now it’s clear why their barrels didn’t stop for a minute ...
  11. +2
    3 October 2014 10: 29
    To the question that Ukrainians smoke, now we can clearly answer - SPICE!
    1. 0
      3 October 2014 12: 59
      Not spice, but pace ....
  12. Khalmamed
    +2
    3 October 2014 10: 29
    YES the country of miracles is igniting ....
    ENTER US for the distribution of drugs, the organization of prostitution, a small LETTER about homos and pedos - S M E R T N A Y K A Z N b in a place with parents !, here the time will come!
  13. +4
    3 October 2014 10: 30
    An inadequate population is driven by an inadequate government. Idyll.
  14. +2
    3 October 2014 10: 34
    The conclusion suggests itself is unfavorable for the Ukrainian community: specialists, who somehow move the industry, degenerate, because nobody will come to replace (you have to work with your head there, sober and bright)
  15. +3
    3 October 2014 10: 34
    "Quality - goodbye to the brain"
    So this is where the dog is buried!
  16. +2
    3 October 2014 10: 38
    This explains a lot - if not all !!!!!! The frostbitten government is driving the sadists, rapists and murderers mad with the taste of blood! In my opinion, the diagnosis is obvious - CUT TO THE FUCKING MOTHER !!!!!!!!!
  17. +1
    3 October 2014 10: 46
    Two "heroes" of Ukraine - Mazepa and Bandera. They had no brains.
    And the rest of their descendants are flying the Swedish flag.
    Poltava alone was not enough for them.
  18. +1
    3 October 2014 10: 54
    Well, about drugs, just do not. In Russia they sell and consume by no means less than VNA Ukraine. And far from Ukrainians are doing it.

    Z.Y. Most of his life he lived in Zamkadye. Do you know spice, far from the most dangerous. And about the victory over drug addiction and drug trafficking in Russia, an exaggeration is gently said.

    To not be unfounded:

    "In October 2010, the head of the Federal Drug Control Service V. P. Ivanov reported that drug addicts are about 2% of the working population of Russia of reproductive age (from 15 to 64 years). Most of them, about 1,5 million people are opiate addicts, among the rest there are marijuana smokers and synthetic drug users.

    According to the Federal Drug Control Service, in 2012 in Russia 18 million people (13% of the country's population) had the experience of using any drugs, up to three million did it regularly "

    In two years the situation has only worsened.
  19. +1
    3 October 2014 10: 59
    again we take a couple of moments out of context and voila ... we assign the words ALL and ALL Ukrainians / Ukraine is fashioned and stoned and here's "proof"
    For example, I don’t support the Maidan. I consider the Kiev authorities to be to blame for the events (Turchinov and Yats are the main puppets in this matter). I do not support the ATO. Supported the transition of Crimea.
    But what did I get? Internal enemies (in Kiev) and external (RF)?
    At the same time, it is the Ukrainian people who are constantly poured mud on VO .. deceived and used.
    Okay, that percentage of maydanutyh.
    In appearance, everything looks like a single rally where the EU + US + RF simply divorced Ukraine.
    With that percentage of maydanutyh.
    Those other than "tea" do not need anything.
    I want to cover such articles with a mat. And obscenities to cover Ukrainians with a site are not forbidden and to cover articles about Ukrainians is impossible.
    I found out in pursuit ... that the Russian Federation had specifically denounced the agreements with Ukraine on the fleet ... just to confiscate it and not give it up under a plausible pretext. "A good gift" to those Ukrainians who were not against the transition. Wait, it turns out that it was necessary to drown the Crimea in blood ... so that there was no such behavior of the Land. They did not care about all the contracts.
    As for me, the main fault of the Russian Federation is not that it "captured" the Crimea. And the way she behaved .. This is a natural squeeze of property. And it belongs to another country. I'm talking about the fleet and army property.
    And now the revenge-seeking attitude will not leave me. And I will support the idea of ​​nationalizing the property of Russian companies. Too bad our puppets have no eggs. Very sorry.
    Generally sober mind threw everything. But at the same time they put us on VO - stoned and washed by propaganda (it suits me very well - considering that I do not read anything except VO)
    How are you going to return that attitude towards you Ukrainians, if
    1. +5
      3 October 2014 11: 08
      Do not worry, everything will be given up after the conflict, because such old junk in the Russian Federation is not necessary, only this garbage will now have to be serviced all the time of showdowns in Ukraine ...

      I do not understand the truth about what relation you speak ...
    2. postoronim V
      +6
      3 October 2014 11: 59
      That is, when you 23 years ago, with the support of Yusovtsy and Geyvropeytsey stole the Crimea, everything was fine, but now you have surrender and are in trouble. Normal approach, quite dill.
    3. postoronim V
      0
      3 October 2014 11: 59
      That is, when you 23 years ago, with the support of Yusovtsy and Geyvropeytsey stole the Crimea, everything was fine, but now you have surrender and are in trouble. Normal approach, quite dill.
    4. +4
      3 October 2014 12: 05
      Quote: Cristall
      I also found out after ... that the Russian Federation specifically denounced the treaties with Ukraine on the fleet ... just to confiscate it and not to give it under a plausible pretext.

      How did you know that, Dear? Moreover, if you believe that:
      Quote: Cristall
      considering that I do not read anything except VO

      I, for example, read far from not only articles on VO, but I know that the denunciation of contracts concerned the property of Russia and its fleet due to the fact that the status has changed and now the base is not leased .... Moreover, here is the denunciation of leases and property Ukraine? She has the right to demand the property of the latter from the other party in kind (this is not slang) or in monetary terms. As far as I know, no one has appealed to the court and there is no scandal over THIS ...
      Concerning
      Quote: Cristall
      And now the revanchist mood will not leave me

      - What's the problem...? Can't share the clothes? International law exists - if not. True, it is not a decree to "exclusive" countries, but we will manage, somehow ... Or are you used to it only "by concepts"? Then yes ... it is difficult to help ... according to concepts - who is stronger and right ... Then the revanchist flag is in your hands ...
      Quote: Cristall
      How are you going to return that attitude of Ukrainians to you,

      and that’s already from a bad mind to a healthy one .... So far, the point is that Russia has been horrified to find that it can no longer believe Ukraine (yes, yes ... it’s its majority), modern ukroponazism, implicated in Russophobia, another betrayal after the Hetman and Bandera from past centuries ... from which Ukraine has not yet washed ... It would have been better not to hide and suppress the dill sins after the Second World War, but to poke them in the face, as Americans poke the Germans before still occupying their territory (more than 250 military bases and about a quarter of a million of their soldiers) ...
    5. +5
      3 October 2014 13: 03
      Quote: Cristall
      Cristall (1) SU Today, 10:59 AM

      Do you really think that inadequate people are sitting on this site?
      You can understand your attitude to such comments!
      but forgive me, personally my personal attitude to the inhabitants of Ukraine is quite normal, with the exception of those crowds who behave inappropriately, but how would you advise the leaders of Ukraine to explain this inadequacy? either all of them, leaders, aggressive military-industrial servicemen who are going to conquer the South-East, and just those who are now “lustering” and the monuments, including, were constantly beaten on the head like a nickname, or they actually use, and not just weed, but something very heavy and synthetic ...
    6. +1
      3 October 2014 13: 33
      Quote: Cristall
      Cristall (1) SU Today

      but in general, maybe it’s easier for you to become Russian again ...
      understand one thing, the Ukrainian is not a nation, it is already for several centuries, a way of Russophobia!
      but the very humor that Ukraine itself does not know what to do with these or those things, throws them, and then when someone picks it up, starts yelling, taking it away ...
      but in general, return to Russian, it will be easier to look at what is happening ...
  20. +2
    3 October 2014 11: 05
    Darth Vader - the prototype of Hitler of the Future ..... Poor poor on Hitler are suffering .... and so they console themselves ... We would have sat in Galicia and smoked slowly ... having smoked - we would have wandered to Europe, having changed clothes on the border of the panties fly back .... No - climb to the East. They come for wool, leave their hair cut, with broken off horns, some fried ... You can only go for such a fool, or have already been bruised since childhood ...
    1. 0
      3 October 2014 17: 52
      Quote: RusDV
      Darth Vader - the prototype of Hitler of the Future .....

      then who is palpatine (lord sidious) ???
  21. +1
    3 October 2014 11: 05
    I suggest everyone to chip in, buy them a ship of this spice in the Russian Federation and let everyone there die in death ...
  22. -1
    3 October 2014 11: 35
    subhuman nation
  23. 0
    3 October 2014 11: 52
    http://econet.ru/articles/15440-v-anglii-kokain-dazhe-v-vodoprovode


    Cocaine use in the United Kingdom is so common that tap water analysis revealed the presence of this drug.

    Inspections of tap water in four places showed that the drinking liquid contains a certain amount of cocaine, which has already passed through the human body. The researchers argue that the levels are so low that they do not pose a threat to humans. However, traces of the drug indicate a very wide distribution of the drug. Government spokesman Steve Rawls said: “We have the highest cocaine consumption in Europe. At the same time, the cheapening of the drug makes it increasingly popular. ”

    Cocaine is one of the narcotic drugs whose use has increased in recent years. The main reason for this is a reduction in the price of a prohibited drug.
  24. postoronim V
    0
    3 October 2014 11: 54
    Who understands does not use, so the fight against narcotics should be waged somehow differently not only by prohibitive measures. And Ukrainians do not mind already, the more dead the better.
  25. +6
    3 October 2014 12: 00
    I personally was going to vote for Vader in the presidential election. Who else?
    1. +2
      3 October 2014 13: 03
      Quote: Kars
      I personally was going to vote for Vader in the presidential election. Who else?

      hi And in parliament? They are said there already SIX, for which?
    2. +2
      3 October 2014 14: 03
      Quote: Kars
      I personally was going to vote for Vader in the presidential election. Who else?

      laughing and what is not for a nickname? also an astronaut! laughing
      1. +2
        3 October 2014 14: 27
        Quote: svp67
        And in parliament? They are said there already SIX, for which?

        So then they are probably in the majority districts.
        While leaning towards a tigibka even though he is still a capitalist.
        Quote: SpnSr
        and what is not for a nickname? also an astronaut!

        you excuse the astronauts do not insult, there are not only physical data, they also take into account mental abilities (we do not consider tourists)
        1. +1
          3 October 2014 15: 22
          you also vote there, it turns out ... wassat
        2. 0
          3 October 2014 20: 04
          Quote: Kars
          While leaning towards a tigibka even though he is still a capitalist.
          You still have "gunpowder" in some places, well, don't you really understand that people need to be checked not only by who they are proletarians or capitalists, but by their deeds. Well, you choose the "non-silver proletarian", and you are sure that in a year he will not become the most ardent "swindler" ... You choose and think, no one will do it for you, the main thing is not to buy "cookies", respect myself, not in words, but in deeds ...
          1. +1
            3 October 2014 20: 23
            Quote: svp67
            You did not understand that people should be checked not only by who they are proletarians or capitalists, but by deeds.

            how is it on business? on business and yaytsenyuh successful businessman and all that.
            and the taut, capitalist is in terms of what it looks like one of my boss, a commercial director, will strangle a penny if it doesn’t fall into his hands
            Quote: svp67
            . It’s up to you to choose and think, no one will do it for you,

            just now there is no certainty that they will not.
            Quote: svp67
            the main thing is not to buy "cookies", respect yourself, not in words, but in deeds ...

            not in Ukraine - here at least before the election of cookies, and then then nothing at all to see how to leave for Kiev)
            Quote: GRAMARI111
            you still vote there, it turns out.

            approximately like you in Russia.
        3. 0
          3 October 2014 22: 25
          Quote: Kars
          you excuse the astronauts do not insult, there are not only physical data, they also take into account mental abilities (we do not consider tourists)

          I'm sorry, I’ve been mistaken, an alien, not from this world at all ...
  26. +3
    3 October 2014 12: 02
    I was particularly struck by their Darth Vader when he promised to make an empire and conquer the world. And after that, everything becomes clear.
    1. 0
      3 October 2014 12: 04
      http://communitarian.ru/publikacii/novyy_mirovoy_poryadok_metody/psihotropnye_pr
      eparaty_kak_instrumenty_manipulyacii__obschestvennym_sozdaniem_v_celom_i_evromay
      danom_v_chastnosti_23022014 /

      PSYCHOTROPIC PREPARATIONS, AS TOOLS OF MANIPULATION BY PUBLIC CREATION IN GENERAL, AND “EUROMAYDAN” IN PARTICULAR
    2. +2
      3 October 2014 12: 12
      Greeting his supporters, Darth Vader said: "Salo be with you." The plot was broadcast on one of the TV channels ...
  27. +1
    3 October 2014 12: 34
    Quote: Pro100
    Read the composition of Roshen sweets. He, apparently, is also sitting on this dope! laughing


    Cow Mushka from pork with beef, and even candy ??? Spice, Vader, what else will cheat the patient in the head? It would be better to eat the vodka ...
  28. +2
    3 October 2014 12: 46
    Ukraine is not only the homeland of Darth Vader - "patriotic" show in the strip club in Ivano-Frankivsk. We look and envy:








    Ukraine has not died yet ...
    1. 0
      3 October 2014 17: 04
      This is the only hard currency on the ruin ..
  29. 0
    3 October 2014 12: 55
    Fights for the airport on the other hand.
    1. +3
      3 October 2014 13: 09
      And who says that this war is not civil ...
      Meanwhile ...
      The son of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, who earlier, according to him, served in the Donbass, returned victoriously home after heavy and bloody battles in the Donbass as part of the legendary guards artillery unit where he personally commanded and developed plans to encircle and suppress the Russian 5 companies, 9 battalions, 2 regiments as well as an immeasurable amount of Chechens, Russians, Tatars, Ossetians, Dagestanis. Now he will run for Parliament.
  30. +1
    3 October 2014 13: 56
    And here he is:
    Darth Vader will throw attack robots to fight the militias.
  31. +2
    3 October 2014 14: 07
    Quote: omsbon
    They smoke, smoke a lot in Ukraine, that's why they jump so long and furiously, and they themselves sit in garbage cans and "invite" others there!
  32. Nina Zima
    +2
    3 October 2014 15: 45
    Semen Semenchenko: If I get captured, I will try to kill myself
    Source: http://ru.tsn.ua/interview/esli-popadu-v-plen-postarayus-sebya-ubit-389768.html
    From myself: what is interesting, he will kill himself? give me a nail, here is a drum for you, here !!!
    1. +1
      3 October 2014 15: 51
      grotesque PR from degenerate traitor
      1. +1
        3 October 2014 17: 10
        That's right, what a PR. Who does he represent himself, the samurai chtoli and sepukku is ready to do just not to be taken prisoner and not to lose the honor, or to blow up himself and the enemies surrounding him with a grenade, or maybe he has already sewn an ampoule of cyanide into his collar? All this is work for the public, such as he, as a rule, try to stay away from the front line, and cut the loot for himself under the guise of helping the battalions, and if the incredible happens and they are captured, they will start singing such songs, just to keep their precious carcass. "hero" with a capital letter.
    2. 0
      3 October 2014 23: 50
      If I get captured, I’ll kill myself. laughing It will not work. Semen, with such a head as the walls break in your cells laughing
  33. Simonov
    0
    4 October 2014 21: 54
    The media constantly writes about the "zombie" xoxlov. There is no need to hang labels without understanding the essence of the processes in society.
    The inhabitants of Urkaina continue to implement the great national idea: "Through ... a trip to Europe." Back in 1991, after the collapse of the USSR, Urkaina flatly refused to join the CIS. "We do not want 'essential ge'! - a joke that went around then among the people. (Essen - German." Eat "). They already then saw themselves as a part of Europe. And all the obscene revolutions, elections-re-elections of local presidents - it's just a fluctuation in the thrust vector to a well-fed Europe. ”Simply in this historical segment, it is expressed in the form of the slogan" Urkaina - tse Europe! "
    For 23 years, kids have grown up who, by no means, identify themselves with the "single Soviet fraternal people." They took all the pro-Western reality around them for granted. And therefore, for them, "Crimea is the tse of Urkaina." The old people who remember the Union, and with whom a dialogue is possible, will gradually come down. And in the future we will have to communicate with matured youthful dabils who are now jumping, wrapping themselves in flags and bottling gasoline. They are not brainwashed - this is the norm for them!