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Why special forces are not allowed into the morgue?

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The revolution in "medicine of the battlefield," our security forces see only in foreign trenches

Techniques and means of rendering first aid in combat conditions are continuously developing in the world. The skills and equipment of even the average infantryman of the US Army, his British and French colleagues can stabilize and prepare for the evacuation of the fighters not only with gunshot wounds, but also with quite serious mine-explosive injuries, with great blood loss. In Russia, only a few spetsnaz units possess such skills and equipment.

In modern field medicine, there is a concept taken from resuscitation: the “golden hour”. This is a period of time after injury or injury, allowing the most effective first aid and rescue the victim. But in modern combat, fast delivery to the hospital is not always possible. Therefore, the main task is to extend the “golden hour” with the correct actions as long as possible in order to have time to deliver the victim to the surgical table before irreversible consequences occur.

The life of a fighter is in the hands of a friend

According to official data of the Pentagon about the participation of the American ISAF contingent in Afghanistan for 2013 a year, the servicemen died only when they received wounds and injuries incompatible with life. In other cases, timely rendered first aid and subsequent evacuation made it possible to avoid deaths.

“Thanks to the fact that the wounded people were assisted during the first three to five minutes, their“ golden hour ”was quite enough to be evacuated to the hospital and handed over to the medical staff,” a representative of the Ministry of Defense, familiar with the problem, told a columnist for the Military Industrial Courier. “Although in 1993 in Somalia, in 2001 in Afghanistan and in 2003 in Iraq there were cases when the fighters did not have time to evacuate in time and they died from their wounds on the battlefield. The Americans drew conclusions. And they were the first to create a system of rendering first aid on the battlefield, when even when injured in the stomach, severed limbs, multiple injuries with a large blood loss, the “golden hour” was extended for the longest possible time, ensuring that the victims would be delivered to the hospital. ”

Developed not only techniques, but also means of rendering assistance. So-called tourniquet harnesses appeared, new hemostatic agents, which passed the way from powder to special applicators, impregnated bandages, etc. Not only the American military, but also the British, French, and Israelis actively introduced innovations of military medicine into their armed forces.

It's simple - do it once ...

“The recommendations for pre-medical assistance of the US armed forces indicate three phases of assistance. The first is under fire. The second is tactical assistance, when the threat to you and the victim has already been eliminated. Third - at the stage of evacuation. In the first phase, under enemy fire, only a tourniquet is applied. In the second, harnesses are checked and re-laid, hemostatic agents are used, a tight pressure bandage is put, it is determined whether there is a pneumothorax, and the respiratory tractability is checked. When injured in the chest, to prevent the development of pneumothorax, special patches with a valve or decompression needles are used, ”explains an employee of a Russian organization conducting special classes in tactical medicine.

Why special forces are not allowed into the morgue?Now in the US Army and Marine Corps there is a special 40-hour training program for the so-called Combat Life Server (SLS - soldiers who "save life in battle"). These are military personnel without medical education, but trained to provide first aid in the field, both independently and assisting a staff medical officer.

In the Army and the United States Medical Commission, there is a regular medical orderly in each platoon, and СLS - two - four people for each unit. That is, in fact, there are one or two "life saving" for each section (the US offices, unlike the Russian ones, are divided into two fire sections).

“There are a lot of real videos on YouTube right now, like CLS are helping in combat. A good example is footage from Afghanistan, when paratroopers from the 101 air assault division are assisting a national army soldier hit by a mine. The victim's leg is almost torn off below the knee, both hands are badly damaged, the face has been seriously injured. Without assistance, he would die within minutes. But there is no panic. CLS and San Instructor act clearly as taught. Ten minutes later, the Afghan’s condition is stabilized, and he is ready for evacuation. And I want to emphasize that these are not special forces, but ordinary linear units, ”explains an employee of the organization.

In special units, one hundred percent of military personnel undergo a more advanced course of field first aid, including, in particular, the development of intraosseous access skills, used when peripheral veins "drop" due to significant blood loss and there is no possibility to put an IV.

Gentleman's Life Saving Kit

A typical first aid kit has now been formed, consisting of a so-called tourniquet harness, hemostatic means in the form of powder or a bandage impregnated with powder, as well as so-called Israeli dressing bags that each fighter has.

The harnesses, designed for maximum ease of application with one hand, first appeared in 2001.

“I personally know several variants of turnstile harnesses of different companies, but in practice they differ only in some details. True, “turnstiles” cannot stop the blood if there are injuries to the groin area and in the neck area, ”an officer from one of the special forces units from the Moscow Region shared his experience.

According to an employee of a company conducting tactical medicine, this problem has now been resolved, and so-called compressors are being used to supply foreign armies. They stop bleeding in difficult places by forcing air into special sinuses.

Now only the Esmarch harnesses remain at the disposal of the Russian military, and in rare cases (Alpha), Bubnov harnesses.

“Russian-made tourniquet harnesses are in single, one can say experienced specimens. We have not heard about any massive supplies, ”admitted an officer of one of the special units of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

But he made a reservation that, in addition to the turnstile, they also take the usual Esmarch harnesses into their styling. “Compressoria” we have not yet seen, and if necessary, if wounding in the groin, neck, etc., the usual harness will work very well, ”the source continued.

The first hemostatic powder purchased for the US armed forces after the start of the war in Afghanistan was QuikClot. It is made on the basis of zeolites, inorganic substances, called slang "clay", which, in contact with blood, formed a clot. The first generation of the drug also caused a small burn. The massive use of KvikKlota in the very first years reduced the death on the battlefield from blood loss (according to official data of the Pentagon) by 70 percent.

At the same time, doctors had claims to “clay”, since, in addition to blood flow, it often got into the body when the servicemen broke the bag with their teeth. This inorganic substance itself does not decompose, and there are serious questions about how to remove it from the human body.

A little later, there were products under the brand name "Celox" (Celox), based on the organic compound chitosan, which decomposes in the body. It is noteworthy that, until recently, Celox products, which the Pentagon did not allow to supply its military, were actively purchased by British, French, Australian and other military departments. At present, the ban has been lifted and Selox is actively pushing QuicKlot in the US market.

“Powder hemostatic is not always convenient to use in the field, it crumbles at the slightest wind. Sometimes it is impossible to fall asleep to the full depth of the wound. Often, two or even three or four packages are required, ”said a physician from one of the special-purpose units of the Russian Ministry of Defense expressing his opinion to the Military-Industrial Courier.

These problems have been known for a long time, because in addition to the powder, so-called applicators and hemostatic-impregnated bandages for wound packing are now supplied.

“We introduce the applicator into the wound and, simply pressing on the piston, squeeze the preparation in the form of a gel. With bandages a little more difficult - open access to the wound, put a bandage into the wound and press it for about five minutes, ”the source continued.

If, after the application of the hemostatic hemostat, the doctors had more work to clean the wound, now with the use of chitosan-based preparations, a gel-like clot is formed at the wound site, which is easily removed by the doctors.

It is worth noting that only in the units of the Ministry of Defense of Russia and the domestic drug Gemostop, which has rather contradictory reviews, is only occasionally used.

“On the one hand, this is our development, which in itself is already good. On the other hand, “Gemostop” is about “KvikKlot” of the first series with all its inherent flaws. And often the use of the drug causes serious burns, ”the Defense Ministry representative gave an expert assessment. While in combined-arms units, military units and special purpose units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Gemostop is treated almost as “future space technologies”, then for more advanced users, in particular, in the special mission centers of the Ministry of Defense, Gemostop causes only a bitter smile.

“We didn’t see it ourselves, but a fighter was severely wounded in the arm of the neighboring SOBR. Naturally, Gemostop was bombarded there. The result was a burn and as a result of sepsis. I had to amputate my arm, ”complained the officer of one of the SOBRs of the Ministry of the Interior.

Another important element of the first-aid kit is the so-called Israeli IPP, which, thanks to special plastic fastenings, allows you to make a good pressure bandage even with one hand. Israeli bandages are named because they were developed by an Israeli military medic.

“They come in different sizes depending on the size of a cotton-gauze pad. For example, the “9” number is used when a limb is lost or when it is wounded in the stomach, ”explained a medic from a unit of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

Initially, the IPP was developed for the Israeli army, then their production was mastered by a British company, and a little later by American manufacturers.

While "our all" - bandage and zelenka

"You are joking? Our homeland gives us only expired IPP and ordinary harness. We do not even have narcotic painkillers. Medical training classes are conducted in the same way as 20 – 30 years ago. Well, once showed "Gemostop." We, of course, have people who have completed courses and procured medical equipment for their money, but there are only such units, ”said an officer from one of the SWAT MIA.

Exactly the same situation in the special forces of internal troops. Surprisingly, because of problems with licensing, neither the special forces of the BB, nor the special forces of the Ministry of the Interior receive drug-based painkillers, such as promedol.

“We take ketorol or ketanov, and sometimes for their money in ordinary pharmacies. It happens, however, that tableted painkillers give out, ”continued the interviewee from the SOBR.

Do not forget that the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Air Force have the main burden of combating terrorism in the North Caucasus and the soldiers are injured there often enough.

The situation in the units and divisions of the Ministry of Defense of Russia is a little better, but if in the Special Forces brigades scattered throughout the country about modern means and methods of assistance, at best, they read or watched videos, then in special purpose centers and some other units about medical training They are taken very seriously and often in terms of equipment and skills they are not inferior to their Western colleagues. However, it is worth noting that almost everything you need is purchased for your money. Own efforts are organized and classes.

“At one time, they asked for help from the legendary Alpha, with whom they had previously worked. They did not refuse. We came to our base and held classes during the week. And with maximum efficiency. There were shooting, explosions, even pigs were taken to practice first aid skills, ”said a medical man from one of the special forces units.

According to the source, currently only in the CSF FSB have the necessary skills and abilities, and also have the appropriate equipment. But while in the Armed Forces of the United States and other Western countries, the introduction of new methods and tools began in the 2001 and was largely completed by the 2004 – 2005 years, in Russia in special units, all this only appeared in the 2008 – 2009.

“Alfovites immediately explained to us that the battle would go, all knowledge would disappear, skills would remain. Therefore, continuous training is necessary, but with this problem. We appealed to the medical department with a request to allocate time for us to practice in the morgues to install special needles for pneumothorax. Instead, a whole commission came to investigate what was happening. She was horrified that our ordinary fighters can do this. And when I learned that we are putting ourselves in the fields of the system for injecting solutions and sometimes even in bone, then such a scandal broke out: how do we allow ourselves to do this without medical education? We wrote a lot of papers, but there's no point. So I had to negotiate with the morgue in private, ”the medical officer of the special unit of the Ministry of Defense complained.

At the same time, many interlocutors of the publication admitted that in their first-aid kits often most of the drugs, PPIs, etc., were either almost expired or already permanently overdue.

The handiwork of the wounded themselves

“Now in Russia, only helostatic preparations of the Celox company have passed tests and received certificates, so they are supplied and they can be legally purchased,” one of the Moscow companies selling these drugs told a columnist of the Military-Industrial Courier.

All other means, starting from the IPP and ending with tourniquet harnesses, are mainly imported by the so-called merchants, private dealers.

“With few exceptions,“ merchants ”take medical supplies from stocks of foreign armies that have already been written off. For example, in the US Army, hemostatic powder is written off a year before the expiration of the storage period and is transferred for sale. We, the truth, "merchants" immediately warn about it. It happens, we take and overdue. As an example: the Israeli package costs 1,5 thousands of rubles, and with an expired shelf life they give us for five hundred. In principle, he is in vacuum packaging, what will happen to him? We buy everything for our money, ”admits an officer of one of the special units of the Ministry of Defense.

It is worth noting that we are talking about elite units and subunits of Special Forces, and in the army about the modern means and methods of providing assistance have not even heard.

“Now, the Central State Medical University and the Military Medical Academy are developing new techniques and are even beginning to implement. Our colleagues from the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Air Force are also actively working. In general, we are still trying to catch up, ”a representative of the Ministry of Defense told the Military Industrial Courier.

According to Western experts, at the beginning of 2000-ies in military medicine there was a revolution in the methods of assistance on the battlefield, which passed by us. Let's hope that the gap can be eliminated.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 2 October 2014 14: 25
    +17
    The life of our fighter is priceless ... there is no need to regret saving his life for money, and the author correctly raised pain points in this area.
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 2 October 2014 14: 32
      +1
      There is still work to be done in this direction, how to do it better, it will be necessary to think to the big heads of law enforcement agencies.
      1. DAYMAN
        DAYMAN 2 October 2014 15: 50
        +3
        "Big bosses" do not come to the field ....
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. max702
      max702 2 October 2014 15: 00
      +11
      Yes, it’s easy to calculate how much special forces have been trained in training a fighter and it’s all worth it because of the lack of penny means (in comparison with the spent) of first aid and it will become clear this is not idiocy, but CRIMINAL negligence !!! And this applies not only to medical means, but also to the equipment of a fighter of communications, and much more .. Only a complex of decisions on the battlefield can achieve the result with the least losses.
    4. sso-xnumx
      sso-xnumx 2 October 2014 15: 35
      0
      That is precisely what is priceless. Therefore, why appreciate it?
  2. jaguar
    jaguar 2 October 2014 14: 25
    +5
    We scribbled a bunch of papers, but no sense! It is nevertheless worth equating bureaucracy with a criminal offense !!!!!!
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 2 October 2014 14: 37
      +6
      +++++ As I read this paragraph, my cheekbones were reduced by this bureaucracy "there is no piece of paper that you are a living person - therefore you are not."
      We turned to the medical department with a request to allocate time for us to practice in morgues for installing special needles for pneumothorax. Instead, a whole commission came to sort out what was happening with us. She was horrified that ordinary fighters can do this. And when she found out that we ourselves are putting “in the fields” of a system for injecting solutions and sometimes even into a bone, such a scandal erupted: how do we allow ourselves this without a medical education? We scribbled a bunch of papers, but to no avail.

      How dare the fighters "dare" themselves to allow this same "high matter of medicine" and not their working days of life and death.
      Brad.
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    2. Juborg
      Juborg 2 October 2014 15: 01
      +5
      I will subscribe to every word. By licensing us, our economy, medicine, education are driven into bureaucratic corners, from which there is only one way out, to the funeral home and flowers to the grave.
      Well, the fact that the "golden hour!" Turns into a farce, zilch, through the fault of unknown persons, this is a regularity of the same licensing program.
      An example is my hospital, in order to get licensed, there is not enough money, money to roll back, and no one will care that only 10% of the required equipment is available, that only 35% of the authorized states are available, and the actual provision of medicines is somehow we get 50-60%. And SO throughout ALL Russia mothers, and salaries reported to the president within 25 thousand, bluff.
    3. makarick
      makarick 2 October 2014 17: 01
      0
      I served in the Ministry of Emergency Situations (regional division), I have a medical education (paramedic), but ... when providing assistance to the victim, the "systems" were put at their own peril and risk. If everything is good, well done, if bad, you had no right to administer intravenous infusion. What can you do-law. But the medical training was for all personnel, though tourniquets, PPIs, bandages, everything is normal, no frills. Of course, I understand that in battle it is much more difficult to provide assistance.
  3. DRA-88
    DRA-88 2 October 2014 14: 26
    +9
    In combat conditions, the provision of medical assistance is the same need as replenishment of BC, for example!
    A fighter feels much more confident in battle if he knows that if something happens, help will be provided and he will be evacuated from the battlefield!
    In the USSR there was a system of medical assistance and evacuation of the wounded!
    Now we need to pay special attention to this, because this vital!!!
  4. mik0588
    mik0588 2 October 2014 14: 35
    +5
    But this is a VERY serious problem!
  5. smershspy
    smershspy 2 October 2014 14: 41
    +1
    The problem was and will be! What to do? Why aren’t we going forward, but are marking time? We must think and do, and not row money with a shovel in our pockets!
    1. sso-xnumx
      sso-xnumx 2 October 2014 15: 40
      +3
      No one to go! Feldmebel dispersed everything and everyone, the State Research Institute of Military Medicine was destroyed, the remains were transferred to St. Petersburg under the leadership of "Akamedia", and they also do not know what and what they need to do ...
  6. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 2 October 2014 14: 44
    +2
    How insulting and painful it is to read these lines, because our military medicine has always been at a high level. And now, where did everything go ?!
  7. g1v2
    g1v2 2 October 2014 14: 51
    +6
    Well, I don’t know how it is now with a doctor in the army, but I remember lying in the army in the hospital - my leg was swollen, I thought everything would be bad. The doctor, the lieutenant, looked and smeared some ointment - burned all the skin on the leg, then smeared another - burned everything that was left, then he said it was necessary to experiment and mixed these ointments - the result is clear. Okay, then after a few days the antibiotics took their toll and the leg returned to normal. Well, a lot also depends on the hands - it was impossible for this Madame to do the injections, but when she was an assistant, she didn’t even notice almost the same injections. But for example, my father’s head was sewn up in military medicine - even no traces are visible. In general, I hope that everything will be fine with medicine in the army, because it will not work out.
  8. pts-m
    pts-m 2 October 2014 14: 56
    +6
    those who sign papers for the purchase of medications are usually not involved in hostilities. The maximum that they can get while sitting in the office is a burn of the intestines during tea drinking. And for this you don’t have to buy anything, but drink cold water.
  9. cyberhanter
    cyberhanter 2 October 2014 15: 04
    0
    Combat Life Server (СLS - “life-saving soldiers in battle”)

    Either Saver or the translation is incorrect
    Thanks for the article, it is indeed necessary to introduce modern technologies in the life saving of soldiers. I myself have a German ifak. But one payback for fighting is not enough, it is necessary that everyone knows how and what to use. for example, Amreicans have harnesses mounted on armor. Not like our current doctors rummage around in their bag, but to TAKE THE EARLY BATTLE from the armor to tear off the turnstile and render assistance to the wounded. that is, each fighter wears a minimum for use on himself! and everyone is trained to use it
  10. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 2 October 2014 15: 16
    +6
    The bureaucracy in Russia has taken such roots that you cannot uproot it with light attacks, it’s time for us to destroy an official as a class, in Russia there were two classes, the bourgeoisie and the proletariat and the layer between them, the intelligentsia, now a new class has appeared in Russia, officials, they such self-conceit that Russia cannot live without them will be completely lost, in Russia it’s all that’s an official’s official, without them the wind does not blow, and the grass does not grow. Lord, do not bring you anything to start making out, you’ll erase your legs to the ass until you collect all the certificates, the five-minute task of obtaining the certificate lasts for weeks, or even months.
  11. ed65b
    ed65b 2 October 2014 15: 16
    +6
    I saw a video of a wounded US fighter screaming behind a stone until he died of blood loss. All these gold watches a priori suggest rapid evacuation from the battlefield. but where to get it, for example, in the mountains in Chechnya, surrounded by autumn-winter? all this works well for the Jews. rolled out from the mercenaries of peace in Gaza and their wounded animals were quickly evacuated due to the lack of air defense of the enemy, etc. In general, the topic is certainly worthy of discussion and application, but there are moments.
  12. Alexander
    Alexander 2 October 2014 15: 46
    0
    Someone there said that we have so that we buy Jewish. Are they buying something on ebay? A brother, when he served in the military real estate, he ended up in a military hospital in a town near Moscow, I visited him there. There, it’s just that Natasha Koroleva was being treated, even if not with Jews or abroad, where else, that’s enough money. So if the hospital at this level is army, then I think there are decent first-aid kits for special forces.
  13. IAlex
    IAlex 2 October 2014 15: 52
    +1
    And we have reduced the military doctors and, after the reduction to the brigades, they no longer have a health battalion: (((((((((((((((((((
  14. gunter_laux
    gunter_laux 2 October 2014 16: 06
    0
    “Now the State Medical University and the Military Medical Academy are developing new methods and are even starting to introduce them.

    Isn't it time to actively implement at least what has been developed before us? If you don’t want to buy a license or you can’t develop it for yourself - copy like the Chinese! Time is running out!
  15. dzau
    dzau 2 October 2014 16: 14
    +1
    our medicine, alas, is a separate song
  16. VadimSt
    VadimSt 2 October 2014 16: 18
    +1
    A correct and long-standing problem is touched upon. Only this issue needs to be raised at the level of the Ministry of Defense, the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergencies, etc., ordinary "campaigners-mortals" can only nod and agree.
  17. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 2 October 2014 16: 26
    +1
    Alas, no matter how disgusting it sounds, but ... the advantages of war. When the war lasts for a long time, these and other methods are practiced and appear very quickly.

    When that was how field hospitals appeared (and earlier they evacuated with wounds to the rear, which not everyone survived), and even operations on the battlefield.
  18. Vyatich
    Vyatich 2 October 2014 16: 38
    +1
    What can we say for training, if we have doctors (there are some, unfortunately)
    from the sight of blood they faint themselves ...
  19. arslan23
    arslan23 2 October 2014 17: 01
    0
    This is kapets ... I hope this will be fixed soon. And not only will they catch up but also overtake. Every driver and student should know such things. It is necessary to teach at school, and not just in the army. Maybe we will save many more lives. It's good that at least something is being worked out.
  20. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 2 October 2014 17: 15
    0
    and promidol completely over?
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 3 October 2014 01: 59
      0
      But instead of a condom, it would be better to carry a promedol from the army first-aid kit in a medicine cabinet, but only those wounded on their heads will look at any car, like a cat at a valerian.
  21. secondoy
    secondoy 2 October 2014 17: 58
    +1
    An interesting topic, I know that people buy QuikClot, for example, in the US ordinary "hunting and fishing" online stores. And those who had to use were praised. But there was no information about domestic analogues.
  22. oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 2 October 2014 18: 03
    0
    Promidol - for an analgesic beam, do not remember unless you know all the addicts around. There will be no abundance in the first-aid kits or anything, even as before, in the waterproof packaging, bandages, tampons and ampoules with iodine.
  23. oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 2 October 2014 18: 03
    0
    Promidol - for an analgesic beam, do not remember unless you know all the addicts around. There will be no abundance in the first-aid kits or anything, even as before, in the waterproof packaging, bandages, tampons and ampoules with iodine.
  24. Prutkov
    Prutkov 2 October 2014 18: 40
    0
    The first problem. The problem of initial medical training has been and remains unresolved so far. The troops pay very little time to the occupation of the Navy. Need more. We need training at least on primitive models. The second problem. Evacuation of the battlefield. It may make sense to consider the option of creating a protected, armored evacuation vehicle based on a tank. Look how the Jews made their super-protected BMP from captured tanks. A helicopter may not land everywhere.
    1. sso-xnumx
      sso-xnumx 2 October 2014 23: 28
      0
      already done. Yes, only who needs it except for the wounded ....
  25. avia1991
    avia1991 2 October 2014 20: 20
    0
    Instead, a whole commission came to sort out what was happening with us. She was horrified that ordinary fighters can do this. And when I found out that we ourselves are putting “in the fields” of a system for introducing solutions and sometimes even into a bone, then such a scandal erupted: how do we allow ourselves without medical education?

    Really: did you want to survive ?! We must heroically die - that’s more correct! .. Sad information: again we are catching up, and even in such an important one! the issue of how to save the life of the wounded. One hope: maybe, taking into account the general situation, this issue will receive due attention "from above"?
  26. Brother77
    Brother77 2 October 2014 20: 46
    +2
    Dozens of months ago, they searched for shaitans in the mountain glades of our country, there were those killed by the elite, many were blown up by mines, and they died because they could not get to the nearest hospital, and the guys from the elite were dying, and we have the women of the co-instructor ..., we asked guys were given 1 each for the farm, most had no training for the fight, they asked us to organize training for freelance instructors and we turned out to be bad guys, the bosses stuffed up knowing about the state of things are silent about this and the night mice are not ready for such troubles, red-lamp men and all sorts of there, the gopniks with blue gaps are simply silent and throw off the blame for the younger ones — the solution will be the usual one for our army and country through pain, blood loss and great upheaval, sorry for the guys in the past and in the future, I wanted to live and serve normally and not buy additional first-aid kits. ..
  27. Siberian
    Siberian 2 October 2014 21: 55
    +6
    An excellent thing is a hemostatic collagen sponge, it is produced by a plant near Piter (Luga - OJSC "Luga plant" Belkozin ") in 2 versions 9 * 9 and 5 * 5, can be cut into pieces. It is completely impregnated collagen. it absorbs blood and dissolves itself gradually, its component is a protein that is needed to replenish the blood cells. , but we probably do not have it. In pharmacies they do not always sell, they say, we do not take it, it is not in demand. Garbage! They just know little about it. There is even nothing to improve - everything is perfect. With every salary I buy a box and send it to Donbass I just don't know where it comes to and whether it is "in demand", well, doctors, surgeons especially, should definitely know about it.
    For the healing of wounds - VoskoPran (the basis is beeswax with different additives - wound healing, antiseptic, some more), is released by Moscow. Really wound healing. There is an analogue - branolind (German) - did not stand nearby.
    Necessary things to form a first-aid kit.
  28. Hell's Angel
    Hell's Angel 3 October 2014 08: 11
    0
    I wanted to comment on the article, wrote a lot of "bukaf" but the blue screen flew out and the fruits of my labors "evaporated". I will tell you from my own experience. Everything that is said here is relevant. But! If "quietly" does not give a damn about the governing documents, then everything can be organized. We agreed with honey. institute and region. hospital and any classes at the "natural. object" with the soldiers were carried out until the authorities decided that it was costly to carry a car across the city.
  29. secondoy
    secondoy 3 October 2014 11: 12
    0
    Quote: Siberian
    An excellent thing is a hemostatic collagen sponge, it is produced by a plant near Piter (Luga - OJSC "Luga plant" Belkozin ") in 2 versions 9 * 9 and 5 * 5, can be cut into pieces. It is completely impregnated collagen. it absorbs blood and dissolves itself gradually, its component is a protein that is needed to replenish the blood cells. , but we probably do not have it. In pharmacies they do not always sell, they say, we do not take it, it is not in demand. Garbage! They just know little about it. There is even nothing to improve - everything is perfect. With every salary I buy a box and send it to Donbass I just don't know where it comes to and whether it is "in demand", well, doctors, surgeons especially, should definitely know about it.
    For the healing of wounds - VoskoPran (the basis is beeswax with different additives - wound healing, antiseptic, some more), is released by Moscow. Really wound healing. There is an analogue - branolind (German) - did not stand nearby.
    Necessary things to form a first-aid kit.

    Thanks for the information!
  30. Siberian
    Siberian 8 October 2014 13: 34
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    I also want my 5 kopecks. add, it may come in handy, tested more than once (including myself). Significant cuts, scratches, seams can be treated with the Second Skin preparation. the drug is veterinary, it is processed by the surgeons after the operation. seams to animals, because dressings are almost impossible to do. It is a wound healing spray with aluminum, which provides water resistance, protection from dirt and dust. There is German, but ours is better, not only because it is cheaper, ours does not "stick together". Him. - like glue, you need to quickly use, otherwise it dries up, but ours does not. I processed my seams more than a year ago, now I need it again - like new.
    In Novosibirsk, Berdsk I can tell someone to "try", there will be encouragement - share your opinion with your comrades in "work". Otherwise, you will not wait until the bright minds from ministries and departments find it possible to deal with earthly issues.