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Western experts: “Islamic State” cannot be defeated without Russia, Iran and Syria

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Western countries should not refuse Russia's participation in the coalition against the IG, said British politician and diplomat Paddy Ashdown in his article published in The Times. Reports about it RIA News.



“Russia is a necessary ally in the fight against Islamic extremism. The alternative is a global religious war, ”writes the politician.

In his opinion, Russia is more prepared for such military actions, taking into account the experience of operations in Chechnya and Dagestan.

“My friends from Washington told me that they do not want to involve Russia in it because of personal hostility between Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin. But these differences need to be overcome, ”said Ashdown.

He is confident that expanding the coalition through Russia's participation "would facilitate the adoption of a UN Security Council resolution and increase the chances of limiting the spread of the crisis associated with the activities of radical Islamists."

"The bombs of the West," continues Ashdown, "may in the end only contribute to the strengthening of the IG."

In his opinion, the actions of the Islamists can be the beginning of a war in which Russia and the United States will be drawn, but on opposite sides of the barricades. “The danger is that we in the West will be involved in this feud on the side of the Sunnis, and Russia - on the Shiites. Then we can have a regional war with global consequences - remember the Balkans 1913 of the year, ”the expert warns, recalling the First World War.

The politician believes that a compromise between the West and the Russian Federation on Ukraine’s issues is impossible, however, in his opinion, “isolation policy in this case is not a good solution, and the current crisis gives the West an opportunity to practice balance policy, and the West should seize the opportunity” .

In turn, Saib Oreikat, a member of the executive committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization, said that fighting IS without the participation of Syria, Iran and Russia is impossible.

“If the United States seriously intends to defeat the Islamic State, as the American president has repeatedly stated, these three countries should not only act as a united front, but also coordinate their actions,” he said.

“As a person who knows first-hand the situation in Iraq, I assure you that bombers, cruise missiles and drones alone cannot achieve victory,” said Orekat.

According to him, “a ground operation is needed to crush the IS, but since the US has repeatedly excluded such a possibility, only one option remains: the ground operation must be conducted by the Syrian army with the support of Iran.” In addition, he noted that "for the success of the campaign against the IS, it is also important to deprive the militants of the financial and ideological support that they now receive from some countries, which, by the way, are allies of the United States."

Meanwhile, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, at a meeting with Iran’s Secretary General of National Security, Ali Shamkhani, said: “The fight against terrorism cannot be in the hands of countries that contributed to the creation of terrorist organizations and supported them technically and financially.” He emphasized that “the fight against Islamic radical ideology, which is spread by terrorists and sponsor some countries of the region, is no less important than the fight against those terrorists who sow death and destruction and destroy historical heritage".

In response, Shamkhani confirmed Tehran’s firm position in supporting Damascus, noting that “Iran is against everything that threatens the unity of Syria and peace in its lands or encroaches on its sovereignty, which is defined by the constitution and international law.”
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  1. Giant thought
    Giant thought 1 October 2014 14: 07
    +14
    Russia will not conduct any serious talks with Obama, that’s all.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 1 October 2014 14: 10
      +11
      Only after the United States recognizes that the fight against IS must be carried out in cooperation with Assad.
      1. Balbes_I
        Balbes_I 1 October 2014 14: 28
        +3
        Meanwhile, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, at a meeting with Iran’s Secretary General of National Security, Ali Shamkhani, said: “The fight against terrorism cannot be in the hands of countries that contributed to the creation of terrorist organizations and supported them technically and financially.”


        He said everything correctly, the mattress covers were, as always, de-democratized, but again the whole world will have to rake their peacekeeping deeds.
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. Kostyar
          Kostyar 1 October 2014 15: 35
          +3
          Meanwhile, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, at a meeting with Iran’s Secretary General of National Security, Ali Shamkhani, said: “The fight against terrorism cannot be in the hands of countries that contributed to the creation of terrorist organizations and supported them technically and financially.”

          Here are the men! Well done! S-rales on the Americans, do their own and all ...
          And their peoples with Them !!!
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 1 October 2014 17: 18
            +2
            Let them eat the "porridge" that they themselves "cooked". We must not pay with blood together with the United States for the destruction of their same puppet. negative
            1. Iline
              Iline 1 October 2014 17: 57
              +2
              Once again they got into it and immediately voted: Russia, otmya.
              No, guys, now everyone for himself and his nonsense will have to be redeemed with his own lives.
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 1 October 2014 14: 40
        +7
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Only after the United States recognizes that the fight against IS must be carried out in cooperation with Assad.

        In fact, the Westerners "Without Russia, Iran and Syria," Islamic State "cannot be won" - crafty ...
        And that's why - 3,14 the ISIS brought up the Endos, and moreover, the CIA is still "leading" them. Those. as 30xx - Hitler and the Reich were brought up, fed and sent to the USSR, and wait - they want to bite three of them (Syria, Iran, Russia) with one mad jackal.
        You need to be smarter - if you kill it, then in a peculiar way - let IS first "tear" the Saudis and Qataris, terrorize Geyropa and 3,14 the end of the day.
        So far it’s tough and non-contact to keep borders: ours, Iranians and Syrians.
        But then, mm ... mb. and it makes sense to "tear off the heads".
        Moreover, the RF Armed Forces will not stand on ceremony, the key to this is the latest exercises of the Barnaul division of the Strategic Missile Forces (as the initiates say, the development of preventive actions is not based on the main theater of operations) ... without any frills, but extremely bloody and cruel ...

        3,14 I have already been warned that everything will be nepodetski -
        Russia reserved the right to a military response if air strikes by an international coalition led by the United States are launched against objects of government troops and infrastructure of the Bashar al-Assad regime, WND.com reports September 29.

        On the sidelines of negotiations with UN representatives, Russia expressed concern that coalition strikes on Syrian territory are a violation of international law. Russia warned that it could potentially strike back if the United States or Arab countries bomb any targets in Syria controlled by that country's government.

        Officials told WND that they had no information about the seriousness of the Russian threat and whether Moscow had in mind the possibility of delivering a direct military strike against the coalition forces or whether it would help Assad’s regime with military equipment and weapons.

        It is also reported that the Russian and Iranian armed forces are on high alert due to the situation in Syria.

        http://www.militaryparitet.com/ttp/data/ic_ttp/6828/
      3. Junior, I
        Junior, I 1 October 2014 15: 02
        +5
        They are trying to drag Russia into conflict in any way. No matter what, the main part.
        And since they themselves gave birth to a demon, let them fight with it themselves.
      4. mirag2
        mirag2 1 October 2014 16: 05
        +2
        Only after the United States recognizes that the fight against IS must be carried out in cooperation with Assad.
        -
        This is what Primakov spoke about 2-3 days ago.
        He said that the state’s policy regarding ISIS is short-sighted, and they do not want (and will not) include Iran and Syria in the circle of their allies on this subject.
        ps the interview was on the air of Vesti 24, there was also an interview with the main Chinese commissioner for political preparation of the PLA (about the Chinese, they said that it was significant that he did not list Russia among the threats to China, as it was before, before the transfer of the island to China Cupid).
    2. nikrandel
      nikrandel 1 October 2014 14: 12
      +10
      Russia will not conduct any serious talks with Obama, that’s all.

      That's right - there’s nothing to negotiate with fools, they messed up the mess themselves, even if they clean it. We must guard our borders and prevent the spread of this infection in ourselves.
      1. Bombardier
        Bombardier 1 October 2014 14: 20
        +4
        Amerikosy everywhere manage to impose heaps and from across the ocean look how it "smells sweet":
        MOSCOW, October 1 - RIA Novosti. Recent events in Hong Kong follow the pattern of US-led regime change operations already tested in Ukraine, Egypt and Syria, said Ron Paul Institute director Daniel McAdams.
        Protesters on the street of Hong Kong. Archival photo.
        © REUTERS / Carlos Barria
        Media: US pressure on China rises due to Hong Kong protests
        At the initial stage of the "color revolution," naive students are the public "face" of protest, but very soon the preaching of non-violence is pushed aside by much more radical elements that provide the real "muscles" for regime change, the expert writes.
        It happened in Egypt with the US-sponsored April 6 Movement, it happened in Syria, where peaceful protests were replaced by armed extremists, the same happened in Ukraine, where Maidan activists cleared the way for violence, armed neo-Nazi groups and radical ideology, he said.
        According to Macadams, a surge of violence should be expected in Hong Kong, which will provoke the authorities to disperse protests. This will be followed by condemnation by the United States government, as it always calls on foreign authorities to refrain from the measures that the US police regularly take in similar situations, the expert believes.
        The protesters in Hong Kong represent a small minority of the population, but claim to speak for the people, writes the head of the Ron Paul Institute. According to him, this "voice of the people" was prepared in advance in Washington. The United States spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on the development of the protest movement in Hong Kong, and Joshua Vaughn, the leader of the large student group Scholarism, maintained close ties with the staff of the American consulate, writes McAdams.
        President Barack Obama's heralded "pivot to Asia" was supposed to mean the US would focus on improving all-round ties with East Asia. Instead, however, Washington nearly scored an "own goal" as the resurgence of the Cold War against Russia led to a noticeable thaw in relations between Moscow and Beijing and an increase in trade between the two countries in Chinese currency. The result could be turning the dollar as the world's reserve currency into a memory, McAdams said.
        The "pivot to Asia" turned out to be unexpectedly aggressive, it was expressed in a frontal offensive against Chinese rule in Hong Kong, the expert notes.
        Whats going on in hong kong
        Last Saturday, protesters launched an Occupy Central rally in Hong Kong, blocking the city’s business center, trying to break into the government complex. Dozens of people were detained, several were slightly injured.
        The protesters demand direct elections of the head of the 7 millionth Hong Kong instead of the current two-stage (through the electoral college) and in June held a ten-day online referendum with the participation of about 800 thousand people, which Beijing said was invalid. Authorities and activists accuse each other of violating order and excessive use of force, respectively.


        РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20141001/1026403203.html#ixzz3Et6H93A2
    3. Evil Pole
      Evil Pole 1 October 2014 14: 21
      -3
      Quote: Thought Giant
      that Russia does not want to be involved in this because of personal hostility between Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin. But these differences must be overcome. ”

      That’s the key phrase, though I’ve taken out of context (why are we worse?) It follows that a nigga is just a courtesan who didn’t like GDP hi that is, it’s time to look smarter. Yes, that’s the trouble, they did it pretty well ..
    4. Mahmut
      Mahmut 1 October 2014 14: 22
      +10
      What does the West mean does not want to involve Russia. And why did they decide that Russia was ready to get involved there. Whoever brewed this porridge let him dissipate it. It is beneficial for Russia that the US and NATO get bogged down there as long as possible. Oil prices will rise, US influence in the region will fall, and ethnic protests will begin in Europe. Great script, do not bother.
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 1 October 2014 17: 23
        0
        Quote: Mahmut
        What does the West mean does not want to involve Russia. And why did they decide that Russia was ready to get involved there. Whoever brewed this porridge let him dissipate it. It is beneficial for Russia that the US and NATO get bogged down there as long as possible. Oil prices will rise, US influence in the region will fall, and ethnic protests will begin in Europe. Great script, do not bother.


        And it’s not just not worth interfering, but it should be properly encouraged, in the sense that as much as possible set the West and the Islamic State against each other. am
    5. asadov
      asadov 1 October 2014 14: 26
      +3
      So the Americans do not need this dialogue. They need a war that will smolder for a long time in the Middle East. They need not victory, but the attraction of funds for it, both their own and their allies. The main thing for them is their military presence in this region.
    6. Arthur 775
      Arthur 775 1 October 2014 14: 36
      +2
      First, the stripes have to be sunk, but all these fundamental terrorists will run away.
    7. shtanko.49
      shtanko.49 1 October 2014 14: 46
      +1
      Amers will have to disentangle what they have brewed and we hope that they will choke. And let Russia observe how it develops.
    8. sgazeev
      sgazeev 1 October 2014 16: 10
      +1
      Quote: Giant thought
      Russia will not conduct any serious talks with Obama, that’s all.

      I got in on the most I can’t and figure it out for yourself. What does it have to do with the Sunnis and Shiites? ISIS is frostbitten Wahhabis and fight without us. Oh, you "smart guys" experts sang sweet speeches like a fox to a crow. smart guys, there is a fucking screw on the cunning ass. fool
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 1 October 2014 17: 26
        0
        Quote: sgazeev
        Awesome wiseacres, on a tricky ass there is horseradish with a screw.


        To the point said! good
  2. Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 1 October 2014 14: 09
    +17
    Well, look how smart they are!
    Spawned IG, Alkaida, etc. trash, and the Russians should fight with them.
    And still how to fight - with legs on the ground, and as usual they will fly bomb, they will cut down the dough.
    GO TO ... yourself brewed yourself and ruin.
    And we will help Syria and Iran somehow differently.
  3. raid14
    raid14 1 October 2014 14: 10
    +3
    They whined like beaten dogs, how trouble pressed, Russia help, hypocrites.
  4. DV69
    DV69 1 October 2014 14: 11
    +9
    Western countries should not refuse to participate in a coalition against ISIS, British politician and diplomat Paddy Ashdown said in an article published in The Times.


    Created by yourself, and destroy.
  5. doctor
    doctor 1 October 2014 14: 12
    +4
    Yourselves slander and choke. The grandmother was completely numb.
  6. Borets
    Borets 1 October 2014 14: 12
    +4
    Vladimir Vladimirovich will wait for Obama to officially "crawl on his knees" with a request to help in the fight against IS.
  7. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 1 October 2014 14: 15
    +4
    Hello! What negotiations can be with Obama?
  8. Bugor
    Bugor 1 October 2014 14: 19
    +6
    Why do we need a war with some opposition that we’ll get into, and then get out of horseradish? To protect Tartus is one thing, but let the mattresses themselves deal with the IG. They gave birth to them, even if they kill.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 1 October 2014 16: 31
      +1
      Absolutely agree ! good What else to listen to GDP or read some Western "expert"?
      Vladimir Vladimirovich has enough of his experienced analysts - the situation with Ukraine has proved this!
      And let Obama and his allies rake his next "heap" himself, we have nothing to interfere, substitute our guys in uniform and distract IS militants from our Western "partners"!
  9. Styx
    Styx 1 October 2014 14: 20
    +2
    well, if I understand something correctly, then the world in the BV was thanks to Russia (the USSR), and then the mericosa climbed in and there was no peace: ((
  10. Dense taiga
    Dense taiga 1 October 2014 14: 21
    0
    As always, everything comes down to money, it’s unprofitable without Russia.
    1. svp67
      svp67 25 October 2014 22: 57
      0
      Quote: The dense taiga
      As always, everything comes down to money, it’s unprofitable without Russia.
      Yes, they will print so many of these "money" that they can fall asleep all over the Earth. They don't want to fight openly and bury their boys. For this "honorable mission" they are looking for "volunteers."
  11. RusDV
    RusDV 1 October 2014 14: 21
    +4
    Naglo-Saxons, as always .... "we must fight with someone else's hands," why are we going to risk our money and guys, the more it is clear that the response from the radicals will not be weak .... Let the Russians, Syrians and Iranians die for our interests ... and they will spend money ... you just need to convince the Russians that they really need it and right now ... It is clear that Obamka will not convince us ... then the "experts" are connected ...
  12. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 1 October 2014 14: 22
    +7
    Western experts: “Islamic State” cannot be defeated without Russia, Iran and Syria
    Failed to drag Russia into an open military conflict with the EU through Ukraine, now they want to drag us into the war in the Middle East. Go gentlemen good on ***! Ask Israel for help from him and his experience will be richer than ours and he has been fighting there for a very long time, plus they say to the whole world that they have the most powerful army in the region. As they say here they are a great opportunity to show themselves in all their glory. hi
  13. sever.56
    sever.56 1 October 2014 14: 22
    +3
    What, b..di, understood that without Russia, nowhere? No, really! Created by yourself - and understand!
  14. Bakht
    Bakht 1 October 2014 14: 23
    +2
    Russia's only real participation in the fight against the Islamic State may lie in the complete military and political support of B. Assad and the destruction of ANY opposition in Syria.

    If the West is ready, then you can discuss something. Everything else is unscientific fiction.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 1 October 2014 16: 38
      +1
      And while the West is creeping with its bombing to the Syrian targets in order to ruin everything and collapse the Assad’s economy. Syria would help air defense systems to protect strategic facilities!
  15. dr.star75
    dr.star75 1 October 2014 14: 23
    +1
    Yes, everything was mixed up, people, horses .. And Ashdown (what, is that a surname like that?) Is also an expert: let's run through the sand, and we will leave the bombs from above.
  16. Noki51177
    Noki51177 1 October 2014 14: 24
    +5
    NATO itself can not cope? Decided to pit Russia and Islam?
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 1 October 2014 17: 33
      0
      Quote: Noki51177
      NATO itself can not cope? Decided to pit Russia and Islam?


      Yes, ISIS is not Islam, it is only for cover. In fact, ISIS exists not so much because of the "patriotism" of the Wahhabis, but so much because the United States needs it.
  17. Everest2014
    Everest2014 1 October 2014 14: 26
    +3
    The war requires very large amounts of money, why should the Russian Federation get involved in eliminating the consequences of the adventure that the states turned?
  18. Wedmak
    Wedmak 1 October 2014 14: 31
    +3
    Why the hell with two! The USA brewed porridge, and again rake the Russians ???? Not really, shovels in your hands and yourself, yourself ...
  19. P-38
    P-38 1 October 2014 14: 31
    +1
    Darn Mr. Ashdown?
  20. mitya24
    mitya24 1 October 2014 14: 39
    +3
    You, mister, gave birth to this .... you disentangle, otherwise, I remember, Chechen terrorists were called freedom and independence fighters, and now we appeal to our experience
  21. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 1 October 2014 14: 39
    +3
    They themselves brewed this porridge, and now they ask for help ...
    1. Styx
      Styx 1 October 2014 16: 38
      +1
      Roman, you, as always, respect for your videos, I laugh from the heart (at least some outlet on the background of news from the Donbass crying )
      "... -He was a lawyer!
      -That's it! The real embodiment of evil! ... "
      Forgive me all the lawyers in the world laughing

      "... -What, lawyers again?
      -No, it's even worse! ... " laughing
  22. Panther45
    Panther45 1 October 2014 14: 40
    +5
    Yeah, Russia’s hands pulling chestnuts out of the fire for the United States, is there a lot of honor.
    Clever !!!, gouging IG, and then the United States will throw a gas pipeline from the Emirates to Europe, thereby blocking the access of Russian gas.
  23. father nikon
    father nikon 1 October 2014 14: 40
    +5
    “The fight against terrorism cannot be in the hands of countries that have contributed to the creation of terrorist organizations and supported them technically and financially”

    Exactly! The Yankees, under plausible pretexts, want Russia's participation in the Middle East "problems." In other words, we shit here, let's clean up together request
  24. fire44
    fire44 1 October 2014 14: 41
    +4
    Anglo-Saxons themselves do not want to go into the heat. in their style, they switch arrows to others. We, too, need to exert efforts to move the arrows in their direction, even if in their r ... they don’t bathe themselves.
  25. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 1 October 2014 14: 51
    +4
    now let them flounder there themselves ... one craftsman wants to fight with the hands of Russian soldiers .. they themselves have prepared, and eat themselves .. we’re not involved in this igil .. they’ll stick to us, it's another matter, and so get stuck in someone else’s war, break !
  26. made13
    made13 1 October 2014 15: 00
    +2
    Themselves brewed porridge, and the responsibility is passed on to us. And they offer us to rake this dung. I hope Russia does not fit into this r0vn0!
  27. calocha
    calocha 1 October 2014 15: 01
    +1
    That is why the CIA created the IG in order to involve Iran and Russia in the struggle, to pit them against each other, if possible, and to withdraw themselves, so that they would "get stuck in a radical swamp."
  28. cidr777
    cidr777 1 October 2014 15: 05
    +2
    First, sanctions, and then harness for their viper?! And if, God forbid, harness, they again will make us extreme, stopudovo switchmen want to create us. We made the porridge ourselves, let them slurp. You can’t fight Russia there.
  29. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 1 October 2014 15: 20
    +3
    Iran has already stated that if the Islamic State acts in the same vein, the Iranian army will occupy the northern regions of Iraq. And support (and not slander, as some bad countries do) Syria --- is this not a contribution to the fight against black terror? Maybe send the Taman Division --- you can also send a division, but only after you bomb the Saudi King’s palace. B-52 will help you. wink
  30. sv68
    sv68 1 October 2014 15: 33
    +1
    no Orkharovites — you, this igil, like many other gangs, gave birth to you and kill them. Stop financing them and really bomb 25 hours a day, 8 days a week — only then there will be real results
  31. Leo7777
    Leo7777 1 October 2014 15: 34
    +2
    Let the United States participate in a land operation, and not give out commands.
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 1 October 2014 16: 28
      +2
      Quote: Leo7777
      Let the United States participate in a land operation, and not give out commands.

      Just skip ears.
  32. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 1 October 2014 16: 31
    +2
    Yes, you go to x ... th! Sorry dear visitors, boiling up. Here we will help Iran and Syria if asked. And let these at first beg forgiveness, recognize Crimea, lift their sanctions, restore order in Ukraine, merge this whole trash. Then think about it. But just think ...
  33. provincial
    provincial 1 October 2014 17: 31
    0
    Ukrainians must be sent to conduct ground operations.
  34. Olga Sinigrosova
    Olga Sinigrosova 1 October 2014 17: 44
    +1
    It turns out interestingly: "In turn, Saib Oreikat, a member of the executive committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization, said that fighting IS without the participation of Syria, Iran and Russia is impossible.

    “If the United States is serious about defeating the Islamic State, as the American president has repeatedly stated, these three countries must not only act as a united front, but also coordinate their actions,” he said.


    Will he lead the United States? No. If we help, then the United States falls off. Near them even poop not sit down. Everything will turn upside down and turn upside down and it will turn out like with the story of the Second World War: Soviet soldiers fought and died, and the victors of the United States.
  35. Siberian
    Siberian 1 October 2014 18: 05
    0
    There is an option: we are removing (wherever they want) all Albanians from the territory of Serbia together with their base (its ammunition is used in the fight against IS), Shougu begins to think how to help them ...
  36. tilix
    tilix 1 October 2014 18: 45
    +2
    Meanwhile, the Syrian father ran up holding his son in his arms, to the Israeli hospital on the Syrian border, after a quick examination, they were sent to the Rambam hospital in Haifa, where they operated on and rescued the child. photo of the wounded: