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Tsarev: By spring, Ukraine will fall apart

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Tsarev: By spring, Ukraine will fall apart


The speaker of the Novorossia parliament, Oleg Tsarev, met with our correspondent in the Moscow office of the unrecognized DNR and LNR, two steps from Red Square. Tsarev predicts the collapse of the current Ukrainian state by the spring, explaining that a peace agreement is in fact a complete victory for the militia, because the Kiev authorities in its current form without a war simply cannot exist.

- Oleg Anatolyevich, do you think that there are any chances for Russia's recognition of the DNI and the LC? Moscow calls the conflict in the southeast intra-Ukrainian and declares that it will not recognize their independence.

- Strategically, we want to be part of Russia, although we understand that for the Kremlin this is now for many reasons impossible. You can spend some time and independent, but we consider ourselves part of the Russian world. Although it is possible that soon all of Ukraine will become Novorossia.

- You speak as if you wish the collapse of Ukraine.

- I expect that by spring Ukraine will collapse on its own.

“Why should this happen?”

- Now the Ukrainian government is in an extremely disadvantageous situation. There is a truce. To justify with war the decline in the standard of living and lack of freedom of speech is impossible. In general, Ukraine hostile to Russia as a project is unpromising: it receives energy from Russia, Russia is a market for it.

- Now the market will be the European Union.

- Ukrainian goods are not needed there, they are not competitive there.

“Quality can always be improved, for example, Roshen products could well be exported to Europe.” I like this chocolate.

- If you think so, then you do not have very good taste. Europeans do not think like you, so Roshen chocolate is not sold in Europe.

- Why are you not in New Russia? Doesn't it seem strange to you that the DPR and LPR have representative offices in the center of Moscow?

- I am constantly in the Donbass, and came here to solve certain problems. I have business in Moscow.

- How to explain the fact that some Russians, including people from the special services, directly supervised military operations in the Donbass?

- This indicates that Russia is one of those processes that occur in Novorossia, with understanding.

- Do you plan to return to Kiev?

- Not yet. They will kill me there. Over my head was appointed a reward of half a million dollars.

“You deny the military support of the militias from Russia, but then where did they get their diverse weapon?

- Yes, there is no support of this kind from Russia, and until the Ukrainian National Guard came to the Donbass, the militia did not even have machine guns. But then the Ukrainians sent us Tanks - and we got tanks.

- It is rumored that the militia regularly receive a salary. Who finances them?

- We do not have a unified salary payment system for the militia. Commanders decide the issue of finances on their own. Someone - at the expense of humanitarian aid, someone finds other sources.

“In Kiev, we are ready to sign bills on the special status of Donbass and, in fact, an amnesty for the militia. What else do you want?

- We have achieved this before. If the authorities in Ukraine were ready to go for the federalization of the country earlier, now there would be another conversation. Now it is no longer necessary.

- And what you need? Continue to destroy the infrastructure of the Donbass as a result of armed clashes?

- For us, a peace agreement is a real victory. The first goal was to stop the war. Then it will be necessary to defeat the Kiev authorities and free Ukraine from the fascists.

- When you talk about fascists, who do you mean?

- Maydanovtsev, who shouted "commies on Gilyaku", "Muscovites knives", "drown Moskalov in Yiddish blood."

- I myself was on the Maidan, but I did not see a single Bandera there and did not hear any calls to oppress the Russians ...

- I personally was not allowed to speak in Russian in the Verkhovna Rada. You probably do not know that in kindergartens children are taught only in Ukrainian, as well as universities. And the number of Russian schools throughout Ukraine — and even in the Crimea — has decreased dramatically from year to year. Or, for example, that all films were duplicated only by the Ukrainian translation.

- You do not think that the main part of Ukraine may have other views on the future? The militia controlled a small patch of its territory. So, to put it mildly, not all of Ukraine wants to join Russia.

- It is possible that if, at the same time as the Crimea, a referendum on joining Russia was held in all regions of Ukraine, then all of Ukraine would join Russia. Or at least most of its regions. The fact is that joining Russia is not only an opportunity to speak Russian, but also higher salaries and pensions.

- And what further steps are you going to take?

- Create a new project called Novorossia. There will be democracy. There will be a friendship of nations and a ban on Nazi ideology. Nor will the oligarchs be in power. Now all we need is peace in order to demonstrate that our government structure is more profitable and more attractive. That we can make the standard of living several times higher than in Ukraine, raise substantially pensions and wages to our citizens.

- Petro Poroshenko, too, do you think, a fascist? Or do you still consider him a legitimate president?

- Poroshenko’s election was actually held with great violations. However, I prefer to proceed from the fact that we need to negotiate with him.

- Now preparing parliamentary elections in New Russia. Do you think that someone still recognizes this structure?

- We'll see. We hope that sooner or later not only Russia will recognize us.

- Russian citizens will be able to run for the deputies of New Russia?

- Only those who live in the territories that entered the DNR and the LC, for more than five years will be able to run.
Originator:
http://dnr-news.com/intervyu/4655-carev-k-vesne-ukraina-razvalitsya-na-chasti.html
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  1. nikrandel
    nikrandel 1 October 2014 14: 31
    +26
    Soon, under such circumstances, nothing will remain of Ukraine.
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 1 October 2014 14: 36
      +7
      Ukraine is doomed to collapse under the current regime in Kiev, definitely as an axiom.
      1. Tyumen
        Tyumen 1 October 2014 15: 02
        +14
        Quote: Thought Giant
        Ukraine is doomed to collapse under the current regime in Kiev, definitely as an axiom.

        You are not tired of saying banalities, giant?
        1. vsoltan
          vsoltan 1 October 2014 16: 57
          +4
          He is not ... tired of everyone else. A man should go on vacation ...
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS 1 October 2014 16: 05
        +2
        Quote: Giant thought
        Ukraine is doomed to collapse under the current regime in Kiev, definitely as an axiom.


        And if in Kiev the power changes?
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 1 October 2014 19: 17
          +3
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: Giant thought
          Ukraine is doomed to collapse under the current regime in Kiev, definitely as an axiom.


          And if in Kiev the power changes?

          The power in Kiev will be more and more nationalistic each time. I definitely won’t say which side it will swing toward, totalitarianism or fascism, but the point is not to change. The authorities need a war to keep their asses in chairs!
      3. papas-57
        papas-57 1 October 2014 21: 09
        -2
        There is something unpleasant in this Tsarev, well, I don’t like his face. And as most politicians grind their tongues without understanding what they are saying. This is not a leader, but a balabol.
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 1 October 2014 21: 20
          +6
          Quote: papas-57
          There is something unpleasant in this Tsarev, well, I don’t like his face. And as most politicians grind their tongues without understanding what they are saying. This is not a leader, but a balabol.

          Well, I'm sorry, you probably did not hear the balabol, listen to Yatsenyuk - you will learn a lot of interesting things and for one you can compare with actions.
          The tsarev may not be ideal, of course, but the man says sober things, which is now not typical for Ukrainian politicians. And Benny does not promise to pay half a lemon for greens for every life!
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    4. DRA-88
      DRA-88 1 October 2014 14: 41
      +8
      Quote: nikrandel
      Soon, under such circumstances, nothing will remain of Ukraine.

      I would like to hurry up !!!
    5. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 1 October 2014 14: 48
      +11
      Yeah ... cool situation: in every possible way to condemn the USSR and the CPSU, throw off the monuments to Lenin - and at the same time actively use the fact that this terrible regime created and transmitted, often pretending to be primordially Ukrainian.

      It looks especially funny with the MR Pact. They condemned and dissociated themselves from him more than once, but they did not come back to return the armchairs to the Poles.
  2. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 1 October 2014 14: 31
    +6
    dill will start to run away from Nenko closer to the New Year .. especially if frosts strike .. and Kharkiv residents of Odessa .. laughing
    1. Iline
      Iline 1 October 2014 18: 04
      0
      Quote: el.krokodil
      dill will start to run away from nenko

      I don’t know how to scatter, but Tsarev in Saratov gathered refugees from the Donbass and asked them to stay here for another year. Like, during this time we will restore the infrastructure, and especially the mines. And with whom to restore and most importantly at whose expense?
      Somehow everything does not fit together.
      1. rubin6286
        rubin6286 2 October 2014 11: 53
        0
        If this is true. then reason is in Tsarev’s words. For a year Novorossia will develop as a state, then it will become clear what to restore, how, for how much and to whom.
        Everything fits if brains are turned on
  3. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS 1 October 2014 14: 33
    +15
    It is necessary to save artifacts from Ukraine (coins, letters, certificates) as from the USSR.
    1. ksv1973
      ksv1973 1 October 2014 15: 57
      +7
      Quote: KAPITANUS
      It is necessary to save artifacts from Ukraine (coins, letters, certificates) as from the USSR.

      The most interesting and informative, at the moment, comment on this article.
  4. pensioner
    pensioner 1 October 2014 14: 33
    +30
    - I myself was on the Maidan, but I did not see a single Bandera there and did not hear any calls to oppress the Russians ...
    I clearly did not understand ... Did this journalist actually fall from the moon? It was necessary to try, so as not to notice the Nazis on the Maidan.
    1. Drednout
      Drednout 1 October 2014 14: 47
      +19
      In general, the questions of the journalist are, let's say, "a little" provocative. I'll tell you straight - prostitute.
      1. schizophrenic
        schizophrenic 1 October 2014 14: 53
        +1
        It seems like an experiment in Novorosia, some kind of planned. Glad I will be wrong.
      2. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 1 October 2014 17: 54
        +1
        Quote: Drednout
        the journalist's questions are, let's say, "a little" provocative. I'll tell you straight - prostitutes.

        So they are called: the second oldest profession.
    2. zzz
      zzz 1 October 2014 14: 49
      +6
      Quote: retired
      - I myself was on the Maidan, but I did not see a single Bandera there and did not hear any calls to oppress the Russians ...
      I clearly did not understand ... Did this journalist actually fall from the moon? It was necessary to try, so as not to notice the Nazis on the Maidan.


      All questions are on the verge of provocation. I wonder who the author of the questions is?
      1. Yaro001
        Yaro001 1 October 2014 16: 56
        +2
        Let them ask. We have all the answers !!!
    3. DRA-88
      DRA-88 1 October 2014 15: 02
      -15
      Tsarev would you go to the front, good to jump on a talk show in maskquast !!!
      1. DRA-88
        DRA-88 2 October 2014 00: 56
        0
        My question is why the speaker of the Parliament of New Russia is constantly in Moscow, and not in Donetsk or Lugansk? What’s the matter there? Or is it more convenient to share portfolios in Moscow?

        We kindly ask the "masters of the minus" to explain their position!
      2. Camouflet
        Camouflet 2 October 2014 02: 37
        +1
        DRA-88 RU Yesterday, 15:02 ↑

        Tsarev would you go to the front, good to jump on a talk show in maskquast !!!


        And you, my dear, it would be better to be silent than to write nonsense and insult people. Who are you to tell someone what to do? In addition, young ishosho voice cast.
    4. Yaro001
      Yaro001 1 October 2014 16: 53
      -8
      He himself is a conspiracy!
  5. Name
    Name 1 October 2014 14: 36
    +6
    With politicians such as the Farion of Ukraine will not be earlier, much earlier:
    1. Yaro001
      Yaro001 1 October 2014 17: 01
      +3
      Look at them, listen, but the very thought "where do they get such grass". !!!
    2. Dubrovsky
      Dubrovsky 1 October 2014 18: 27
      +1
      When will they burn this witch?
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 2 October 2014 10: 43
        0
        When our people come, this Farion will climb behind the stove and take out the carefully seized party card of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and will yell that she is an old anti-fascist underground fighter, and that Putin personally sent her to Svoboda as an agent ... In short, guno - it is nowhere and never drowning.
  6. Denis fj
    Denis fj 1 October 2014 14: 38
    +5
    by the spring Ukraine will fall into pieces "the whole question is: into what parts by the size of territories and quantity.? And the fact that by two is already a today's fact, which has come true and does not need predictions. About the accession of all Ukraine to Russia - this is today utopia .... Yes, and Tsarev himself does not believe in this in his soul, so he declares his dreams for the Moscow audience in the government. It would be more interesting to hear from him: when the LPR and DPR will announce the absence of their claims on the territorial dispute and in what boundaries are they agree to declare themselves republics and continue to live? ..... So far, there is no clarity and mutual understanding between them and “Kiev.” And this must be resolved immediately, because this is a bomb with a smoldering fuse.
  7. biznaw
    biznaw 1 October 2014 14: 41
    0
    This is such a journalistic feature, gleaned from the Western media, why the correspondent used it (provocation), I don’t understand.
  8. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 1 October 2014 14: 42
    +2
    Hello! By the spring - EVERYTHING, but most likely before the New Year! hi
  9. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 1 October 2014 14: 43
    +4
    The speaker of the parliament of Novorossia Oleg TsAREV met with our correspondent at the Moscow office of the unrecognized DPR and LPR, a stone's throw from Red Square.

    Or the surname of "our correspondent", as they say, "to the studio". Judging by the questions asked, this is not our correspondent at all.
    And the answers are worthy.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 2 October 2014 10: 46
      0
      the link says that the source is "DNR news". Maybe, really, the questions are especially tendentious - they are obviously focused on Kiev, and not on Moscow - there is no need to agitate for "Soviet power"
  10. sever.56
    sever.56 1 October 2014 14: 46
    +22
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/730/twex18.jpg
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 1 October 2014 19: 27
      0
      Really very greasy +++++ lol
  11. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 1 October 2014 14: 50
    +3
    - I myself was on the Maidan, but I did not see a single Bandera there and did not hear any calls to oppress the Russians ...

    Hmm ...
    ... “commies for gilyak”, “blast for knives” and so on are not threats, this is a manifestation of “love” for Russians, for Russia.
    Yes, and the fascist swastika on clothes - it was not on the Bandera men, and the mercenaries, snipers, did not kill anyone, and Molotov cocktails "Onizhedeti" were not bottled and thrown into the unarmed police ...
    I wonder what Maidan was this "gentleman" on?
    1. mazhnikof.Niko
      mazhnikof.Niko 1 October 2014 15: 26
      +4
      Quote: ia-ai00
      And the fascist swastika on clothes wasn’t on Bandera,



      Yes, what's on the clothes. After all, the walls on, God forgive me, "Maidan" were "decorated" with Nazi symbols and SWASTIKA. Well, who did not see the blind, but, in my opinion, the blind - FEEL. From these "pictures" came and will come a THREAT! A THREAT to all mankind, and such a THREAT is impossible, not to feel. So, there are NAZIS in Ukraine - THERE are! And, unfortunately - a lot, VERY!
      Damn them!
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  12. Zolotse
    Zolotse 1 October 2014 14: 51
    +7
    "Yes, there is no support of this kind from Russia, and until the Ukrainian National Guard came to Donbass, the militia did not even have machine guns. But then the Ukrainians sent tanks at us - and we got tanks."

    Kiev troops are supported by the West; During the fighting, weapons are transferred to the militias. Tricky scheme. In this way, the West supplies arms to the militias, and Kiev has a growing debt.
  13. P-38
    P-38 1 October 2014 14: 51
    +7
    The journalist did not find Russophobia and Bandera on the Maidan? Is this a journalist or a disguised Psaki ??
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    3. Camouflet
      Camouflet 2 October 2014 02: 40
      0
      P-38 RU Yesterday, 14:51 PM

      The journalist did not find Russophobia and Bandera on the Maidan? Is this a journalist or a disguised Psaki ??


      Yes, this is not a journalist. This is mu. Dila.
  14. smith7
    smith7 1 October 2014 14: 53
    0
    "Speaker of the Parliament of Novorossia Oleg TSAREV met with our correspondent in the Moscow office of the unrecognized DPR and LPR, a stone's throw from Red Square."

    Moscow office of unrecognized territories? A private shop "a stone's throw from Red Square"?
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    2. mazhnikof.Niko
      mazhnikof.Niko 1 October 2014 15: 50
      +2
      Quote: smith7
      Moscow office of unrecognized territories? A private shop "a stone's throw from Red Square"?



      Why not? Friendly republics, let them be in sight!
    3. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 2 October 2014 10: 48
      0
      Where I want to rent an office, and there I rent - what's the problem?
  15. Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 1 October 2014 14: 55
    +10
    - When you talk about fascists, who do you mean?

    - Maydanovtsev, who shouted "commies on a dagger," "on her knives," "drown her in Jewish blood."
  16. rugor
    rugor 1 October 2014 15: 02
    -1
    Young republics lack a strong leader. Tsarev does not pull on this role, and war heroes are for the most part citizens of the Russian Federation. I hope such a leader appears in the near future on the political horizon of the DPR and LPR
  17. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 1 October 2014 15: 05
    +7
    - I myself was on the Maidan, but I did not see a single Bandera there and did not hear calls to oppress the Russians


    Seem to be the correspondent is a fascist himselfif he Maydaunov considers freedom fighters.

    In the photo, judging by the armbands, "peace-loving activists of the trade union movement."
    ]
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 1 October 2014 17: 29
      0
      Kiev carnival and its "stars".
  18. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 1 October 2014 15: 12
    +2
    I myself was on the Maidan, but I did not see a single Bandera there and did not hear calls to oppress the Russians ...


    And one more photo
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 1 October 2014 17: 30
      +1
      And these are also participants in the Kiev carnival procession. In Brazil, samba dancing at the carnival, in Kiev, traditionally jumping and screaming. National culture, panimash.
  19. Seva
    Seva 1 October 2014 15: 13
    +3
    Well this is how you need to hate your country to bring it to this, even if not without outside participation ??? I do not understand))
  20. vodolaz
    vodolaz 1 October 2014 15: 16
    +2
    I can’t predict how it will end for Ukraine, but it’s certainly not good.
  21. Roshchin
    Roshchin 1 October 2014 15: 30
    +1
    The very fact that Dill agreed to negotiations and agreements with Novorossia, even in the person of the former and incompetent Kuchma, speaks of the great success of the DPR and LPR. Everything that the junta can scrape together militarily is thrown into the militia, but they can do nothing, except for the murder of people whom they consider to be citizens of Ukraine, the destruction of housing, production and infrastructure, again according to their concepts, Ukraine. If the Novorossians can withstand and hold out, then recognition will come someday. The main thing is that they would not squabble among themselves, but together they would gnaw together the ruin fascists. "When we are one, we are invincible."
  22. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 1 October 2014 15: 32
    +3
    - I myself was on the Maidan, but I did not see a single Bandera there and did not hear any calls to oppress the Russians ...

    is the correspondent blind?


    1. Docent1984
      Docent1984 1 October 2014 15: 50
      +1
      That's it) As they say, open your eyes wink
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 1 October 2014 17: 32
      +1
      you don’t understand, this is a new national fun. To sniff spice, swallow a seagull with an amphitamin from American macaques, and forth- gallop, yell, oddly.
  23. ROD VDVshny
    ROD VDVshny 1 October 2014 15: 43
    +4
    The speaking helmet Tymchuk was born as another "product" ... destroyed dozens of times and taken to Russia in the form of a cargo "200" my 76 DShD again entered the h.h.l.y.n.di.iu ... ... fellow again excites and fever the whole censor ... wassat tongue hiccup with boiling water and call thunder and lightning all over Russia .... laughing
    "01.10.14/11/48 XNUMX:XNUMX
    The 76th Airborne Assault Division of the Russian Armed Forces entered the Stakhanov area, and 27 Russian tanks in Debaltseve, Tymchuk
    Over the past 76 hours, the transfer to the area of ​​the village of Stakhanov of units of the XNUMXth Airborne Assault Division of the Russian Armed Forces

    According to Censor.NET, Dmitry Tymchuk wrote about this on his Facebook page, referring to the intelligence of Information Resistance.

    According to him, over the past 76 hours a transfer to the area of ​​the village of Stakhanov of the XNUMXth Airborne Assault Division of the Russian Armed Forces has been recorded.

    "Russian paratroopers move in groups of up to 10 people in special vehicles. During the previous day, the activity of a Russian electronic warfare station was recorded in this area, jamming mobile communications," he wrote. Source: http://censor.net.ua/n305065
  24. Docent1984
    Docent1984 1 October 2014 15: 49
    +2
    - I myself was on the Maidan, but I did not see a single Bandera there and did not hear any calls to oppress the Russians ...


    And who is this correspondent? Why no name? Something rotten comrade, you need to know him
  25. HAM
    HAM 1 October 2014 15: 52
    +4
    Previously, the Ukrainian anthem of the Ukrainian SSR began with the words - "Live, Ukraine, beautiful and strong ..", and all 70 years Ukraine flourished, but now - "It has not died yet ...". This is how Ukraine dies all 23 years.
  26. brisk
    brisk 1 October 2014 15: 54
    -13
    Yes, let this Tsarev go for a walk in the forest. Wow, the cattle is so white and fluffy! States in history were created, grew, disintegrated and re-created ... There is no special tragedy here, even if that happens. It was with Germany, and with Ukraine, and with the USA, and with Russia, and with China, and with Korea, and with Poland, and with Great Britain, and with India ... Borders from space are not visible, and if and it can be easily erased without a trace and spend in a new place. Another predictor mandarin by the name of Tsarev emerged ... As for Ukraine, I will only say the verses of the Ukrainian classic poet:

    I am the people of the power of Truth
    no one has called for Bula.
    Yaka bіda mene, yaka plague mowed! -
    and the power is known again.

    Schob live - in whom I do not eat rights.
    Schob live - I am all the kaydani roses.
    I affirm myself, I affirm
    Bo I live.
    1. Roshchin
      Roshchin 1 October 2014 16: 22
      +3
      YAK TI FOR THE WORLD - MOBILIZUY SAME FORCE
      I іdіnny people, і sonce, і earth
      before our promotion:
      Yak ty for peace - mobilize your strength,
      aґresorіv schob vіyni repaid!

      Like an ocean, not a brook -
      Istorії ty ruhi remember,
      at the glib epoch itself drown
      in the hearts of people, hang around.

      Why is the nation rosdat?
      What is the purpose of stinging sting?
      In us, Leninov’s beginnings,
      goof to the skin people to bloom;
      P. Ticina
    2. andrey56
      andrey56 1 October 2014 16: 32
      +1
      Borders will be what you need. Yes, and the words that you are a people and the words unfriendly confirmation of a grave illness.
      1. brisk
        brisk 1 October 2014 16: 39
        -3
        "The boundaries will be what you need."

        You don’t worry about borders, but start better with yourself! Improve yourself, or do you want to say that you are an ideal? When such penthouses try to move borders, mothers begin to cry!
    3. Anchonsha
      Anchonsha 1 October 2014 17: 15
      +1
      svelto, are you comfortable with fascism in Ukraine? But Tsarev’s fascism in Ukraine doesn’t suit him and he wants to destroy it there and live in a completely new Ukraine. But if there is fascism, then it wants, like the inhabitants of New Russia, joining Russia.
      1. brisk
        brisk 1 October 2014 17: 53
        -3
        Quote: Anchonsha
        are you comfortable with fascism in Ukraine? But Tsarev’s fascism in Ukraine doesn’t suit him and he wants to destroy it there and live in a completely new Ukraine. But if there is fascism, then it wants, like the inhabitants of New Russia, joining Russia.


        Fascism does not suit me. And Tsarev has a relation to the emergence of this very fascism. And not even indirect, but rather direct. But only the official and near-official media in Russia, a la Kiselev, do not reveal all the cards for the Russian public. And not all, oh, not all (!) Residents of those regions of Ukraine, Russian-speaking, moreover, whose native land you call "Novorossiya", like this name. I will tell you this as a resident of Novorossiya. To begin with, you would at least shorten the use of this term. Or are you deliberately, contrary to the moods of the absolute majority of the inhabitants of the south and east of Ukraine, in spite of saying that they are not in Ukraine, but in "Novorossiya"? "A man like a bull: what a whim will get into your head - you can't knock it out with a stake ..." Two regions of Donbass are a separate topic, but even there, Novorossia is perceived with a bang only by residents of mining towns and settlements directly related to coal mining, and in western and northern regions of Donbass, mainly rural, it is much less popular with residents. Do not just think that I refer the miners to cattle. These are real workers. Oh, and many people like to speculate on history - who and what belonged when and who discovered what and when! And the Hungarians-Magyars lived on the territory of the Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug of Russia. There was no Moscow as such, and Yuri Dolgoruky was not even born, and the lands in Western Siberia on the Ob and Irtysh were Hungarian land! According to your logic, the Hungarians can put their rights on it? Moreover, they pretend that they are always preoccupied with their Finno-Ugric. And their relatives in Khanty-Mansi now live much worse than them.
        1. rubin6286
          rubin6286 2 October 2014 12: 19
          0
          I must tell you that not everyone liked the October 1917 revolution in Russia, and some even knew nothing about the creation of the USSR. For example, in the Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug of the Tyumen Region, in the village of Polnovat, Soviet power was established in 1936 and its first representative was a policeman sent by the NKVD.
    4. Camouflet
      Camouflet 2 October 2014 02: 53
      +1
      svelto SE Yesterday, 15:54

      Yes, let this Tsarev go for a walk in the forest. Wow, the cattle is so white and fluffy!


      If you want to convince people of something, do not use insults. Otherwise they will spit it out.
      And I personally niasilil your comment, tk. I did not find a thought in the topic in it. Well, perhaps in verse: On the Maidan "Yak bida me, yak the plague mowed down!"
      1. brisk
        brisk 2 October 2014 10: 05
        0
        Quote: Camouflage
        If you want to convince people of something, do not use insults. Otherwise they will spit it out.


        And all my life I have been honest, open, straightforward. And he always spoke to the person's face, whatever I think. And he spoke only the truth. Regardless of whether he likes it or not, he is my equal or superior. That's why I didn't become the boss. People do not like it when they openly tell the truth in the face. And the fact that I began to speak like that here is rude ... And you read more carefully what the atmosphere is established here. Me and my compatriots, for the absolutely predominant majority here, these are not Ukrainians, but ukry, dill, kakly, kakloedy, okraintsy, urkaintsy, salo-eaters, khakhly ... times of stagnation. And 40 years ago. And 50, and 60. And 100 years ago, and now. "Geyropeans" and "Americans" have never allowed themselves such a boorish address to Ukrainians and other peoples. They did not call Belarusians Bulbashi, but Romanians as mamalyzhny. Can I, a Ukrainian 23% by genes (for the remaining 75% only Russian!) Agree that I am khakhol-ukr-dill? Never!
        1. rubin6286
          rubin6286 2 October 2014 12: 34
          0
          Try to be honest to the end. If Ukrainians are Ukrainians for Russians, then we are for them, I am a Nazi muzzle, and then there are Jews. So what? These names are rooted in the depths of centuries. You need to live in the West and in the USA and listen to how they speak about us at the everyday level. For the Germans, for example, we are "russische Schweine", regardless of the indigenous nationality. What is your nationality recorded in your Soviet passport and birth certificate, who is your mother's nationality - then you are. If you do not have the documents I have named and you have a passport of a completely different state, you are its citizen - Finn, Norwegian, Dane, Israeli, Greek, etc. and you can just consider yourself Russian-speaking or Ukrainian-speaking, but no longer Russian or Ukrainian. They are on their own land, and you are on a stranger.
    5. rubin6286
      rubin6286 2 October 2014 12: 11
      0
      Not much time will pass and the whole world will be convinced that the democracy that is being established in Ukraine according to the American model is actually a fascist-Bandera regime. Nationalist criminals, criminals and criminals, crooks of all stripes are rushing into power. The regime established by them is not viable, just like German fascism and no people will live according to the laws of criminals. Ahead of the collapse of such a country. It is inevitable, no matter how it is pulled. Now Tsarev is talking about this, wait a little and you will hear what Yaytsenyuki and others are talking about.
  27. sv68
    sv68 1 October 2014 16: 05
    +3
    kings, you’re not joking so badly, the collapse should happen this year
  28. Dzimka
    Dzimka 1 October 2014 16: 10
    +2
    I constantly hear this: - “Who are Bandera? Where did you see them? I have not seen a single one. ” I can not explain this with the naivety of people who utter such a thing. Either this person is a complete go * t and he has the appropriate certificate, or he is the same criminal, accomplice. I am specially collecting an archive of video materials (for those who are hard-to-reach), on which groups of young men chant their "knives with knives" and bounce fun. There is video, so it’s unnecessary to bustle. It's time to decide who you are and not to deny the obvious.
    1. brisk
      brisk 1 October 2014 16: 27
      -5
      What do you mean by that? Video footage you can shoot heels pieces and twist them until they turn blue. This says little. Why are you silent about the draftsman of icons from Moscow? How many onions did he stab on the street? Those who didn’t like the skin tone and eye section didn’t quite fit? So this is just one. In our Zaporozhye, next to me, three years ago, at a school stadium, on an evening run, a guy from Russia blew up. He put the grenade in his bag and ran, didn’t do it according to safety measures, so he paid his life. He had a swastika tattoo. Here is a sign was marked. He was a friend of the icon painter. I had a lot of bedrocking with you, I killed a lot of khachis and chocks in the suburbs, so I came running to visit us. So this is only two. And how many more are there? And I will tell you responsibly - in Ukraine over 23 years of such precedents it was NOT POSSIBLE! And the question is for you. How many murders take place in the Russian Federation every year ?. What is their level? Where is it higher now - in the USA or the Russian Federation? And what is he like in Iceland? Iceland is kind of like Geyropa already.
      1. Gagauz
        Gagauz 1 October 2014 17: 33
        +3
        There are fascists and Nazis in all countries, but only in Ukraine are they officially in power, and at the helm of power structures, and this slightly changes the situation.
        1. brisk
          brisk 1 October 2014 20: 28
          -2
          Quote: Gagauz
          Gagauz Today, 17:33 ↑
          There are fascists and Nazis in all countries, but only in Ukraine are they officially in power, and at the helm of power structures, and this slightly changes the situation.


          Name the official members of the Nazi Party in Ukraine at the helm! Name! These are just words. Why don't you tell me how popular VO "Svolota" is? On its stronghold, so to speak "Nazism", in Galicia? What percentage of popularity do they have there now? Is there 5 percent or only 3? Why are you silent about Dugin, Barkashov in the Russian Federation? About Zhirinovsky, in the end? These are all very harmless things that these adult uncle-leaders say from the high rostrum? Laughs, kindergarten "Camomile"? You have buzzed all your ears with a Kalomoi "Ukrainian" Jew and an alleged Bandera with billions, but for some reason you are silent about the billions of "Russian" Jews in Rotenberg. Is it just because they are friends of Putin ?! I have a lot of question marks, but no one gives you any clear and complete answer to any such question. That is why they remain.
          1. Russiamoy
            Russiamoy 1 October 2014 21: 34
            +1
            All this is ohinea. Comparison of sour and fresh. I found one Natsik from Russia, but about hundreds of Nazis killed in Ukraine, silence. Rotenberg has no battalions of killers and Nazis. And in general, the right-wing sector freedom is a direct green party. All this is your nasty unpleasantness. And it’s not worth talking about the whole Donbas. Even official ukronatsiysky reports fix that the majority of people with pro-Russian views, including in Mariupol
            1. brisk
              brisk 2 October 2014 00: 29
              -1
              Quote: Russiamoya
              Russiamya RU Today, 21:34 ↑
              And it’s not worth talking about the whole Donbas. Even official ukronatsiysky reports fix that the majority of people with pro-Russian views, including in Mariupol


              You know, I won’t argue and convince you. I will give one link where one not so stupid blogger expresses his vision specifically for the Donbass. The article is long, but it's worth it to read it from start to finish. Three and a half months have passed since publication, but its specific recommendations on the Donbass are of practical value now. I believe that the way he proposed to untie this knot is the most correct and fair solution. Although his views were general on this issue, I sharply criticized in the comments on the same post and expressed exactly what I have in my heart (ibid. Below, comment by Dida Panas). So tell me by this comment of mine - is I right or wrong? My moods have not changed now. Although the assertion that the mentality of the inhabitants of Zaporozhye, which is 200 km from Donetsk, is markedly different from the mentality of the inhabitants of Donetsk (in the sense that the Cossacks are much more prone to precisely the ideas of Ukrainianness) is correct. The inhabitants of Berdyansk are much more pro-Ukrainian than the inhabitants of Mariupol, which is only 100 km from it - and this is a true statement. And this despite the fact that both cities are like twins, both on the coast of the Sea of ​​Azov. Although Mariupol and more Berdyansk. Here's the link:

              http://zavodyuk.com/post/16jun2014/politics/83-donbass-voyna-za-poteryannyy-ray.
              html

              1. brisk
                brisk 2 October 2014 00: 51
                -1
                Continuing the topic. Alfred Koch is a difficult and cunning person, but the fact that he advised Ukrainians specifically in the Donbass is not without rational grain and deserves careful consideration. My personal opinion is that Donbass wants to leave (and he will probably leave in Russia) - and to your health! Let it go!
                Here is Koch’s opinion:
                http://glavpost.com/post/4sep2014/analytics/823-koh.html
                1. rubin6286
                  rubin6286 2 October 2014 13: 12
                  0
                  And here is Koch. Found someone to refer to. Do you know how clever Alfred Rosenberg was, read his "Myths of the 20th century", and how talented and inventive Hjalmar Schacht was, how eloquent and incendiary Arthur Axman and Joseph Goebbels were? Suvorov, being a field marshal, said to an officer keen on foreign military art: "Be proud that you are a Russian!"
                  1. brisk
                    brisk 2 October 2014 18: 03
                    0
                    Quote: rubin6286
                    And here is Koch. Found someone to refer to. Do you know how smart Alfred Rosenberg was, read his "Myths of the 20th century, and how talented and inventive Hjalmar Schacht was, Arthur Axman and Joseph Goebbels are eloquent and incendiary?"


                    I was referring to Alfred Reinholdovich Koch (born February 28, 1961) - a Russian statesman. In the 1990s, he was Chairman of the State Property Committee of Russia (1996-1997) and Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation.
              2. rubin6286
                rubin6286 2 October 2014 13: 02
                0
                So what? You are all Mariupol, but for me Mariupol is Zhdanov, and Lugansk is Voroshilovograd. Do you know that Lviv is, in German, Lemberg, Ivanovo-Frankivsk - Stanislav, Khmelnitsky is Proskurov, Dnipropetrovsk is Yekaterinoslav. There is no Ukrainian people and Russian people in their pure form, there are Ukrainians and Russians as a nation, but in general we are a single historical community of people — the Soviet people, which has been formed over more than 70 years of Soviet rule. Kazakhs, Georgians, Chechens, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, etc. - they are not strangers, they are all ours. villains dragged all of the national apartments. and people do not want to live in them and will not, especially in idiotic order. I hope that I have clearly stated everything.
          2. Camouflet
            Camouflet 2 October 2014 03: 04
            +3
            brisk
            Name the official members of the Nazi Party in Ukraine at the helm! Name! These are just words. Why don't you tell me how popular VO "Svolota" is? On its stronghold, so to speak "Nazism", in Galicia? What percentage of popularity do they have there now? Is there 5 percent or only 3? Why are you silent about Dugin, Barkashov in the Russian Federation?


            svelto is indignant and everything is torn with peppers to measure. Barkashov and others. The narrow-minded person. In Germany, there were no Nazis in power either. There was an NSDAP. National Socialist German Workers Party. What are the bad guys?


            In my opinion, it’s time to call the orderlies to the svelto patient.
            1. Docent1984
              Docent1984 2 October 2014 14: 39
              0
              Wow, someone remembers Barkashov))) I've been talking with 99 for years now until now, I have never heard anyone remember) Maybe this polite will say that General Vlasov is sitting in our government?)))
          3. rubin6286
            rubin6286 2 October 2014 12: 48
            0
            And what is the Nazi party in Ukraine? Is she called that? In Germany from 1921 to 1945 was the German National Socialist Workers Party
            (NSDAP). The point is not the name, but the ideas that she professes. Compare the ideas of the Ukrainian parties with the ideas of national socialism and you will find among them those who are at the helm in Ukraine today. Think it's not so stupid ...
            1. brisk
              brisk 2 October 2014 17: 43
              0
              Quote: rubin6286
              Compare the ideas of the Ukrainian parties with the ideas of national socialism and you will find among them those who are at the helm in Ukraine today. Think it's not so stupid ...


              I just despise the approach and actions of such politicians who instill a bad and harmful model in Ukraine. I already mentioned this on this thread. And the German model from the NSDAP, 1921-1945, is also, of course, unacceptable. Although, in my opinion, these gorlopans, who are now in Kiev, are very different from those that were in the 20s and 3s in Munich and Berlin. Those German, they were compared with these, or something, with some hint of aristocratic manners. These purely dense rural-farm thinking. Pavel Lazarenko hooked up diamond pendants and put on a suit for 500 thousand dollars. But his essence has not changed from this. He was like the head. mechanization in his village, and then the chairman of the collective farm, he remained the same smug and limited rural bumpkin. Yanukovych disgraced himself in front of the whole world with Anna Akhmetova and a professor. Which, however, did not stop him from wearing colossally expensive crocodile leather shoes. And this is when a large part of the population of Ukraine was barely making ends meet, most of them had pensions only for utility bills and bread and milk. The same thing, and Kravchuk, and Litvin and others ... And so almost the entire leading contingent. And now nothing fundamentally new loomed. To be objective, the Germans had a completely different way. They had an ideology. And the German nation immediately absorbed it. Do these have an ideology? Can you name any published work in Ukraine similar and equivalent "Mein Kampf"? There is no such work. Just please do not suspect that I admire and approve of everything that Hitler wrote in My Struggle. He very roughly transferred the guilt of a narrow layer of unscrupulous businessmen to much wider and, as a rule, innocent layers of the population. Plus, hung labels of inferiority on the Slavs. Although he knew practically nothing about them, nor about their achievements. It is hard to deny that in the first 5 years the NSDAP had no achievements for the German people. In 1933 - 1938, the Nazis did a lot for the German (I emphasize - it is the German people!) In Germany. As all Germany, the whole German nation, has risen! There are no unemployed, poor. Germany in front of our eyes was turning from a humiliated and destitute to a strong power, which began to be reckoned with in Europe and the world. Review the old newsreel. How could such a massive and universal rejoicing among the Germans arise from scratch? Of the propaganda speeches of Hitler and his associates alone? No, it could not. Behind this stood their real and major successes in the economy, improving the quality of life. And a much more caring attitude towards the Germans by the state. The state took upon itself (and performed!) A lot of social tasks. It is very difficult for me to imagine, even impossible, that those "Nazis" you are talking about can repeat something like that in Ukraine. This is not the Nazis. And not even fascists, because the fascist duce Mussolini, too, for a short period of time sharply (and almost completely bloodless! well, except that the South Italian and Sicilian mafia clans blew a little) raised the welfare of the people of Italy. Another question, of course, what happened then. After the year 1938. And even more, since June 22, 1941. It didn’t work very well for Germany. I have no doubt that already in 1942 Hitler very deeply regretted his actions. Yes it was too late.
              1. brisk
                brisk 2 October 2014 17: 59
                0
                If it is the creation of an independent state, then the best and wisest is the Irish approach. The two official languages ​​are Irish and English. It was smart enough not to proclaim "one land - one mova." And the number of Irish speakers in everyday life without compulsory and voluntary-compulsory methods has grown from 100 to 3 percent in 40 years. And they avoided confusion in the vidrodzheniye crane. It is with Ireland and the Irish that Ukraine and its politicians should take an example.
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 1 October 2014 17: 34
        0
        In the USA, including police officers.
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 1 October 2014 17: 55
        0
        Quote: svelto
        Video footage you can shoot heels pieces and twist them until they turn blue. This says little.

        just answer were Bandera on the Maidan or not
      4. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 1 October 2014 18: 05
        +1
        Quote: svelto
        And I will tell you responsibly - in Ukraine over 23 years of such precedents it was NOT POSSIBLE!

        There were a lot of things: the burning of people in Odessa, the killing of civilians by law-abductors in the LPR and DPR ...
        1. Barakuda
          Barakuda 1 October 2014 18: 29
          +1
          There were, and how,.
      5. rubin6286
        rubin6286 2 October 2014 12: 41
        0
        In order for you to know what is really happening in Ukraine, you need to work in its law enforcement agencies. Then closed statistical materials will be available on the number and types of crimes committed in the country for a certain period, the number and categories of persons held accountable. Without this, it is impossible to compare the crime rate in a particular country. region of the world. You yourself do not know about this?
  29. Serg7281
    Serg7281 1 October 2014 16: 20
    +1
    - I myself was on the Maidan, but I did not see a single Bandera there and did not hear any calls to oppress the Russians ...

    What kind of correspondent? some kind of provocateur, not a journalist.
  30. siberalt
    siberalt 1 October 2014 16: 21
    0
    Bad news. Marat Musin with a group of journalists captured at Lugansk.
  31. Gagarin
    Gagarin 1 October 2014 16: 51
    0
    Now the Russian media say a lot about the heroism of the Donbass, but:
    Now in Novorossia one of the most acute problems is NO MONEY!
    Okay, young without salaries, PENSIONERS, their whole army, they do not receive pensions FOUR months !!!
    Guys, believe me this is horror, grandmothers beg, rummage in the trash, eat there ... Grandfathers sit quietly at the porches and just cry. They already lived from pension to pension. ONE saw the humanitarian aid, loudly declaring it here, on the ground - can be obtained from the neck and from the militia.
  32. LukaSaraev
    LukaSaraev 1 October 2014 16: 55
    +1
    Quote: KAPITANUS
    It is necessary to save artifacts from Ukraine (coins, letters, certificates) as from the USSR.

    And I have a lot of them. And passes to the 30-km zone, and a card of radiation doses. These arti (sorry) facts from toys have not got me. And there are still many of us who did not share grief then on our own and Ukrainian.
  33. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 1 October 2014 17: 05
    +1
    It seems that the interview was taken by an overseas journalist, who cares about the aspirations of the Novorossiys and their desires. The journalist did not see Bandera on the Maidan, the chocolate from "Roshen" is of high quality for him, although the Gay Europeans do not eat it either, Potroshenko is not a fascist for him, although his grip and policy towards Ukraine is precisely fascist ...
  34. provincial
    provincial 1 October 2014 17: 19
    +1
    I read the interview here and in the source, but I didn’t find the name anywhere. about. journalist. Is he embarrassed? Or is he being persecuted in Moscow? Or from banderlogs.
  35. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 1 October 2014 17: 31
    0
    I read the article ... Double impression. Tsarev against the oligarchs? Like bees against honey. Come on, this impression and no more. The main thing! Tsarev is wishful thinking. Is that bad. Don't think that in the spring there is a new revolution and all FOR! As Putin said, “We entered Crimea being confident that they would not shoot us in the back” (c). And that is why they did not go to Ukraine. There are zombies or not zombies, but about 20 million of approximately two-legged Mr., devouring Russian money and shitting where and how they can, is not required in the backbones. They were brought up in the principles of freebies and hatred of the source of financial well-being - also a FACT!
  36. Egoza
    Egoza 1 October 2014 17: 34
    +3
    Quote: rugor
    Young republics lack a strong leader. Tsarev does not pull on this role, and war heroes are for the most part citizens of the Russian Federation. I hope such a leader appears in the near future on the political horizon of the DPR and LPR

    You are mistaken, dear! Tsarev just develops ALL the necessary documentation of the REPUBLIC of New Russia. All documents that are needed for recognition! The main provisions, the draft Constitution, the anthem and the flag (by the way were developed by him) are often painted. Often in Moscow? So consults what else you need to have to immediately put everything on the table. He is also preparing the elections. And you see, he will become the first President, or whatever they call this post, but he will bring the republic to the proper level.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 1 October 2014 18: 08
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      And you see, he will become the first President, or whatever they call this post, but he will bring the republic to the proper level.

      Do you accept bets?
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 1 October 2014 18: 28
        +1
        I bet on Kalash.
  37. Barakuda
    Barakuda 1 October 2014 18: 19
    0
    We don’t perceive Tsarev at all, the Tryndytsokol having property, for which he is fighting. Did they give him a little in the face?
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 2 October 2014 05: 48
      0
      Quote: Barracuda
      Did they give him a little in the face?

      I have been saying for a long time that a good oligarch is a dead oligarch!
  38. brisk
    brisk 1 October 2014 20: 09
    -3
    Quote: 11111mail.ru
    There were a lot of things: the burning of people in Odessa, the killing of civilians by law-abductors in the LPR and DPR ...


    Yes, but I just need to add that it happened on a wave of great confusion. Which only happened this year. And it was actively prepared, including Tsarev. Cunningly manipulated administrative resources, moods and preferences of different groups of the population, played them off. Many fell for this, especially the young. I blame the tyagniboks, "pravosekov", for this. And on Tsarev too! Compared to the cunning Tsarev, Tyagnibok is just a bad bull. This is exactly what the Kiselevs and others like them are silent about in Russia. It is not profitable for them to put on public display all the ins and outs of these cases! Pests are different. The sucked tick is immediately visible, it is a tyagnibok-lyashko. And there is a virus. It is invisible, but even more harmful. These are the kings. And most of the regionals. The same OL. The brainchild of Putin and his wise advisers. Yes, this is so, to our great regret, Ukrainians. And it is quite likely that after not such a long time, it will become the same regret for you, the Russians.
    1. Camouflet
      Camouflet 2 October 2014 03: 18
      +2
      brisk
      Tsarev. Cunningly manipulated administrative resources, moods and preferences of different population groups, played them off. Many fell for this, especially the young. I blame the tyagniboks, "pravosekov", for this. And on Tsarev too!


      Oh, how thee sausage! Probably, if you had caught Tsarev, you would have devoured him without pepper and salt. So say: "Tsareva to Gilyaku".

      What, my dear, leaked maidan? Have you torn to .opu, but is it all in vain? Ticks sucked and stole zdobutki maidan?

      Damn, when will the orderlies come to him?
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 2 October 2014 05: 47
      0
      Quote: svelto
      And he was actively prepared, including Tsarev. They cunningly manipulated the administrative resources, moods and preferences of different groups of the population, pitted them.

      In something you are right, there can be no cotton with one palm. Yes, you just need to remember (and I called you to this) - who was the initiator of the pogrom that now goes to / in Ukraine.
    3. tracker
      tracker 2 October 2014 09: 26
      0
      "Cunningly manipulated administrative resources" - this expression is the usual verbal diarrhea suitable by definition to any politician. One can feel the analyst "a la Butusov". Turns around in the information field, tries to make "analytics" juggles with words, but before a real analyst, like before China, it's just a political PR of a clearly defined direction. Tsarev, whatever he was, is consistent in his actions, and this is the most important thing in politics.
    4. rubin6286
      rubin6286 2 October 2014 13: 19
      0
      There is no need to pit the Soviet people against Bandera, we have long been pitched against them, since 1941. This fascist state will not be able to resist in modern conditions, as it is with IA Krylov: "And you, friends, no matter how you sit down, you are not suitable for musicians!"
  39. combat66
    combat66 1 October 2014 21: 57
    0
    Quote: svelto
    That same PR. The brainchild of Putin and his wise advisers. Yes, this is so, to our, Ukrainians, much regret. And it is likely that after not such a long time, it will become the same regret for you, the Russians.

    Is it the same song? Again, everyone is to blame, except for you white, fuck., Fluffy. I will not speak for the Russians. But for my part, I’m ready to sign that the Russians will not have your headache, since they are more friends with their heads. And the memory of grandfathers is honored. So regret yourself sick!
  40. brisk
    brisk 2 October 2014 01: 32
    -1
    Quote: combat66
    I will not speak for the Russians. But for my part, I’m ready to sign that the Russians will not have your headache, since they are more friends with their heads. And the memory of grandfathers is honored. So regret yourself sick!


    And we did not call your friends to our place with MLRS and tanks. Sami stopped by. And stop speculating on the topic of grandfathers. We honor them no less than yours. I have one grandfather returned home without a hand, lost near Belgorod. And the other laid his head under the city of Skidel in the Grodno region of Belarus on July 17, 1944. As part of the 3rd Belorussian Front, going on the Germans in the attack. I went to the burial place 6 years ago. Grandfathers died, 70 years have passed after that. Well, and what to do? We honor the memory. Can they be brought back to life? If it were not for those 4 years, 1941-1945, what topic and how would be fanned harder now? And why do this? Serbs and Croats, after 47 years of a happy and well-fed peaceful life, remembered the battles of World War II that ended in 1945. That many Serbs were in the partisans of the People's Liberation Army of Yugoslavia, and many Croats were Ustash. Yes, so vividly remembered that another 100 thousand killed each other. And they were not resurrected, and new dead were added. And most importantly, why ??? !!!
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 2 October 2014 05: 43
      0
      Quote: svelto
      Yes, so vividly remembered that another 100 thousand killed each other. And they were not resurrected, and new dead were added. And most importantly, why ??? !!!

      That was the will of the USA and Geyropa. After all, how pleasant it is for them when the Slavs kill each other!
  41. Neophyte
    Neophyte 2 October 2014 07: 32
    0
    But was there such a state? For some 23 years, a kind of state with a pronounced
    criminal flair and unrealized ambitions. Tsarev is right that the collapse is inevitable. Well, it doesn’t work for
    Svidomo with statehood! It's time, it's time to dump history! The main thing is to get rid of the Galician idiots, that is, to return these lands to Poland.
  42. tracker
    tracker 2 October 2014 09: 30
    0
    there was a non-state of Ukraine for 23 years until the safety factor accumulated over the years of the USSR ended, and then a little push and everything flew into tartarara.