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Ukraine does not fight in the winter

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Bloomberg, an authoritative source of economic and other information, has recently published a series of articles on the Ukrainian crisis. More precisely, its resolution. We are talking not only about gas negotiations on the eve of winter, but also about the fact that the influence of the Kremlin will consolidate in Eastern Ukraine for a long time.



В material September 25 tells actually about the geopolitical victory of Putin in Ukraine.

Creating a buffer zone, writes journalist Daryna Krasnolutska, will bring peace to the east of Ukraine, and at the same time strengthen the front line and retain the influence of Russian President Vladimir Putin in areas "for many years."

(Recall, this is a buffer 30-kilometer zone where heavy weapons should not be placed. Now a group of several dozen people are working on the creation of this zone. The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs denies various reports, including participation in the ongoing negotiations of representatives of Russia.)

The journalist indicates that more than 3500 people died during the crisis in Ukraine. Now the Ukrainian army is actually preparing to retreat and leave the industrial and coal-mining region of Ukraine to the rebels.

The new 30-kilometer zone, the journalist believes, not only gives Putin a lever to influence the future of Ukraine, but also threatens to slow down the country's integration with the European Union.

Experts believe that the conflict in the Donbass has become a “frozen”. And Kiev "has no chance" to regain control over the region. The buffer zone can be said to be a demarcation line.

As for President Poroshenko, he said: "The question of territorial integrity, the question of independence can not be put up for auction."

However, whatever he may say, analysts admit that the frozen state of the conflict "may persist for months, years or even decades - in the absence of a final solution."

Moreover, the current "weakening" of the conflict helped Russian stocks and the ruble. Even despite the sanctions, the ruble shows excellent results in recent days among the 24 currencies of developing countries tracked by Bloomberg. But the Ukrainian hryvnia is among the worst ...

Poroshenko says today: "I have no doubt that the main, most dangerous part behind is that the war is over." He also hopes that his “peace plan” will work.

Representatives of the British intelligence believe that the current situation will allow Putin to influence the future of Ukraine. The “frozen conflict” will be a serious obstacle to the integration of Ukraine with the EU and NATO and will give Moscow some leverage to influence Kiev.

There is even an opinion of this kind that changes in Ukraine will allow Moscow to quickly get rid of the stranglehold of sanctions.

And, apparently, they understand this.

The publication cites the words of Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who, speaking at the UN General Assembly in New York, called on the United States and the European Union not to lift sanctions against Russia until his country regains control over the entire territory of the country. Yatsenyuk said that a truce is nothing more than Putin’s “showcase for the international community”, it’s just a trick, a “duck”. The United States and the EU would fall on her, from whom Moscow is waiting for the lifting of sanctions.

In September issue from 26 Bloomberg published another article, the authors of which are V. Verbyaniy and D. Krasnolutsk.

Journalists are reminded that Ukraine refused to pay a higher price for gas to Gazprom, which raises understandable concerns about the reliability of Russian gas supplies to Europe: after all, the heating season begins. Today, Gazprom supplies about 30% of gas to Europe, and half of it goes in transit through Ukraine. Slovakia and the Balkan countries, the authors note, have already suffered in 2006 and 2009, when there were cold weather, and supplies were reduced due to disputes.

The likelihood that Russia will stop gas supplies to Europe through Ukraine this winter in order to discredit Ukraine as a transit partner is quite high. True, European countries have filled storage with record volumes of gas, preparing for possible interruptions. As a result, most EU countries will be able to meet their usual gas demand, even if interruptions last for three months.

В article September 27 for the authorship of Eva Krukovskaya, Elena Mazneva and Brian Parkin notes that Russia and Ukraine approached a preliminary agreement on natural gas, which will be valid only for one winter.

If the agreement is approved at the EU level, Ukraine will have to pay Russia 3,1 billion by the end of 2014 for the previously supplied gas. In turn, Russia in the coming months will provide Ukraine with a supply of at least 5 billion cubic meters of gas. This was September 27 was announced by EU Commissioner for Energy Günther Oettinger in Berlin after talks with Russian and Ukrainian energy ministers. In his opinion, the negotiations were "tough, but constructive."

The terms of the deal involve the payment by Ukraine of Russian gas at the price of 385 $ per 1000 cubic meters over the next six months. Gazprom said that such an agreement on price was his last offer.

Experts believe that the deal between Russia and Ukraine could mean higher reliability of supply and lower gas prices in the winter.

Fredrik Erikson (Fredrik Erixon), director of the European Center for International Political Economy in Brussels, believes that Putin’s strategic goal is to destabilize Ukraine. "People are deceiving themselves if they consider that they can sign a contract with Putin," he says. According to him, any signed deal will last several weeks or months, and then the Kremlin will “find a new reason” to continue destabilizing the situation.

Bloomberg further notes that Ukraine will adopt the September 30 gas decision. This was said in Berlin by Energy Minister Yuri Prodan.

As for the “reverse” supplies, the Kremlin challenged them, saying that such deliveries by existing contracts between Gazprom and its consumers in Europe are not provided.

Hungary has already suspended the supply of natural gas to Ukraine for an “indefinite time” due to the projected “significant increase” in domestic demand.

The gas talks on the eve of winter, about which Bloomberg wrote, were predictably resolved on September 29. Indeed, Ukraine will have to fork out.

29.09.2014 on site Vedomosti.ru An article by Galina Starinskaya was published in which Günter Oettinger's words about a Russian-Ukrainian deal are quoted. Everything written in Bloomberg has come true. Russia will receive 3,1 billion.

Ukraine pledged to pay Gazprom $ 2 billion by the end of October, and another $ 1,1 billion will be transferred to Gazprom by the end of 2014.

The Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation explains that this money is part of the debt in 5,3 of a billion dollars: that is exactly how much Ukrainian Naftogaz owed to Gazprom. The World Bank and the EU can act as a guarantor of repayment, said Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak.

Ukraine is ready to pay 3,1 billion dollars, these funds are in the accounts of the national bank, said Ukrainian Minister of Fuel and Energy Yuri Prodan.

As for the price of gas in 385 $ for 1000 cube. m, then it all came true. Gazprom, Vedomosti notes, will supply Ukraine in the autumn-winter period (6 months) 5 billion cubic meters. m of gas at a temporary price of 385 $ per thousand cubic meters. Deliveries will go on a prepaid basis.

Previously, the Ukrainian side insisted on reducing the price (1000 cubic meters for 385 dollars in the winter, but for 320 dollars in the summer).

Now it's up to the final agreement on the decision. It must be approved at the level of the governments of the two countries. Novak believes that oral agreements should first of all be made in writing and sent to three addressees: Russia, Ukraine and the European Commission.

The next meeting is tentatively scheduled for October 2 or 3.

Thus, on the eve of winter, Kiev became much more compliant. And the point here is not that Poroshenko or Yatsenyuk were afraid to freeze their own people (although this too). The point here is in Europe. The bureaucrats sitting in the European Commission were afraid to freeze half of Europe. By the end of September, when the cold winds blew and the snow smelled, Santa Claus Putin overcame not only Kiev, but also Brussels. The result of a slow Kremlin victory is the money in the accounts of the Ukrainian state, which the European Commission will not allow Poroshenko or Yatsenyuk to push in stockings ...

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
Photos used:
Vincent Mundy / Bloomberg
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  1. Magic archer
    Magic archer 30 September 2014 09: 53
    +15
    I wonder where the money came from to pay off the debt? !!! A punitive war has long ruined the treasury! I haven’t heard that the West gave dill a loan of this size! Apparently all measures to warm the population will result in tips to stock up with quilted jackets, potbelly stoves and videos on how to cut down the forest and steal firewood neighbors)))))
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 30 September 2014 09: 58
      +14
      Quote: Magic Archer
      I wonder where the money comes from to repay the debt? !!!

      Europe pays - they are very afraid of problems with transit, Ukrainians will steal gas for any reason.
      1. Unclean
        Unclean 30 September 2014 20: 41
        0
        Quote: GRAY
        Quote: Magic Archer
        I wonder where the money comes from to repay the debt? !!!

        Europe pays - they are very afraid of problems with transit, Ukrainians will steal gas for any reason.

        . It’s not clear, if they’re afraid, then why are they putting sticks in the wheels of the south stream?
    2. Mart
      30 September 2014 09: 59
      +18
      Quote: Magic Archer
      I wonder where the money to pay off the debt comes from? !!! The punitive war ruined the treasury a long time ago! I did not hear that the West would give a dill loan of this size!

      On "VO" I recently wrote about money from the World Bank for Ukraine. $ 2,5 billion ( link). And they still have to give 1 billion. And "cooperation" with the IMF will continue. This, by the way, is one of the conditions set by the World Bank. These offices entangle Ukraine in one big network. They are entangling in the same way as they entangled Russia in the 1990s. The dictate of "reforms" ...
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 30 September 2014 12: 35
        +13
        Quote: Mart
        Dictate of "reforms" ..


        Warrant Officer Cold, adjutant of His Excellency General Frost, has already arrived for the reenactment. After the arrival of the general with Colonel Snegopad and his wife Metela, the units "Ice", "Izmoros" and "Sneg" will be accommodated in the winter quarters of citizens of Dill (Ukraine-Europe). The militia "Babay" will receive the call sign "Kolotun" and will be called "Kolotun Babay ". Otherwise, the beautiful marquise is doing well ...
        Greetings, Oleg! That's right, Europe will not let Ukraine freeze. If she starts to steal European gas as in 2009g. after which the joint venture was built at an accelerated pace ... Now we should expect the same shock pace of construction of the SP smile
        1. Mart
          30 September 2014 12: 52
          +5
          Quote: Ascetic
          Warrant Officer Cold, adjutant of His Excellency General Frost, has already arrived for the reenactment. After the arrival of the general with Colonel Snegopad and his wife Metela, the units "Ice", "Izmoros" and "Sneg" will be accommodated in the winter quarters of citizens of Dill (Ukraine-Europe). The militia "Babay" will receive the call sign "Kolotun" and will be called "Kolotun Babay ". Otherwise, the beautiful marquise is doing well ...
          Greetings, Oleg! That's right, Europe will not let Ukraine freeze. If she starts to steal European gas as in 2009g. after which the joint venture was built at an accelerated pace ... Now we should expect the same shock pace of construction of the SP


          Good day, Stanislav! Yes sir! Great comment. Art. drinks
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 30 September 2014 10: 01
      +3
      Quote: Magic Archer
      I wonder where the money to pay off debt comes from.

      So it’s like Europe will pay ... we don’t want to freeze ourselves either, BUT Europe still plucks Ukraine well ...
      Kiev receives gas from Europe at a price higher than Russian
      Ukraine receives reverse gas from Europe at $ 400 per thousand cubic meters, which is higher than the price proposed by Russia in the framework of trilateral negotiations with Ukraine and the EU on Friday, the General Director of CJSC InfoTEK shared such calculations as part of the Moscow-Kiev video bridge on energy security -Terminal "Rustam Tankaev.
      "This morning, thanks to our contacts with colleagues in Hungary, Slovakia and Poland, we received a forecast of gas supplies to Ukraine for September this year in the amount of 1,063 billion cubic meters (this figure was the result of our personal contacts, but, as a rule, our figures are very reliable and confirmed) ", - said Tankaev.
      "On the other hand, the head of the National Bank of Ukraine (Valeria Gontareva - ed.) Said on September 15 that $ 426 million was sent as an advance payment for September gas. This figure was also confirmed by the head of the Ministry of Energy of Ukraine Yuriy Prodan. If we divide one figure by another, then we get the weighted average price per thousand cubic meters of 400,75 dollars, "he said.
      "This is much higher than what Ukrainian politicians spoke about, and higher than the price that Ukraine plans to pay Russia for gas," the expert summed up.
      In September, the head of Ukraine's Naftogaz, Andriy Kobolev, named the price of reverse gas from Europe at $ 370 per XNUMX cubic meters.
      Russia, Ukraine and the European Union at the trilateral ministerial talks in Berlin on Friday agreed in principle on a plan that would remove the risks for the transit of Russian gas to Europe in the coming winter. The "winter plan" calculated for the period until the end of March envisages transferring by Kiev this year $ 3,1 billion in debt and Gazprom supplying 5 billion cubic meters of gas to Ukraine on the basis of an advance payment at a price of $ 385 per thousand cubic meters.
      http://politobzor.net/show-32632-kiev-poluchaet-gaz-iz-evropy-po-cene-vyshe-ross
      iyskoy.html
      XXXX
      Still not all of the gold reserves were taken out! And they steal from banks by millions! Yes, and children - schoolchildren are sent home to ask for money for the ATO, "to protect our guys" - that's where the money comes from!
      1. predator.3
        predator.3 30 September 2014 12: 59
        +6
        The result of an unhurried Kremlin victory is money in the accounts of the Ukrainian state, which the European Commission will not allow Poroshenko or Yatsenyuk to push through stockings ...

        3,1 billion will go to the Russian Federation, and not to finance the war in the east, and that’s good! And then we will see how the suit will fall.
      2. Nikoha.2010
        Nikoha.2010 30 September 2014 21: 00
        +1
        Elena Good evening! The reverse supply of natural gas from Slovakia is a re-export of surplus Russian gas received for EU companies, and Ukraine will have another groundhog day, as in January 2009. IMHO! Personally to you with respect! hi
      3. Tanarri
        Tanarri 2 October 2014 06: 42
        0
        I did not quite understand 3.1 Lard that they agreed to pay is it an advance payment for gas for the winter, or is it a payment of part of the current 5.2 Lard debt?

        It used to be said that until they pay the debt they will not give them more gas.
    4. rugor
      rugor 30 September 2014 10: 02
      +4
      Money from IMF funds, of which Russia is a major donor. We draw conclusions ...
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 30 September 2014 10: 51
        +5
        Quote: rugor
        Money from IMF funds, of which Russia is a major donor. We draw conclusions ...

        Well, it’s time to make payments for gas in our currency. This will be the most understandable response to sanctions, and it will affect not only Europe as it is now, but primarily the United States. hi
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 30 September 2014 13: 05
          +4
          gas prices are tied, if not mistaken, to oil prices. And conversations about settlements in national currencies are already running instead of the oil dollar. But you won’t be able to switch right away for many reasons.
          One of them is that the Americans, in order to prevent this, are likely to ignite the third world war. It will be a complete collapse of the entire Fed financial system. all over the planet, tach flutters, which little will not seem to anyone. Especially China with reserves in the state. bonds for trillions of green (already partially blue)!
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    6. siberalt
      siberalt 30 September 2014 10: 15
      +14
      In November, Russia will demand from Ukraine the return of last year’s first tranche. And this is 3 more watermelons of green rubles. As for the buffer zone, Novorossia stands its ground. This zone can pass only along the administrative border of the former regions, and not along the line of clashes. So that guessing is ungrateful.
    7. Kostyar
      Kostyar 30 September 2014 22: 50
      +2
      If the West gives something "on credit", it will later rake it up many times more, that is, it will remove the last pants and socks from Ukraine ...
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 30 September 2014 23: 15
        0
        Quote: Bone
        If the West gives something "on credit", it will later rake it up many times more, that is, it will remove the last pants and socks from Ukraine ...


        It will not be taken with cowards and socks, but with a collision of foreheads: they will shoot a neighbor and they will fall on their own - you look and the territory has been freed up "naturally", I don't want to populate.
    8. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 30 September 2014 23: 09
      +1
      Quote: Magic Archer
      I wonder where the money came from to pay off the debt? !!! A punitive war has long ruined the treasury! I haven’t heard that the West gave dill a loan of this size! Apparently all measures to warm the population will result in tips to stock up with quilted jackets, potbelly stoves and videos on how to cut down the forest and steal firewood neighbors)))))

      fellow
    9. Villas
      Villas 1 October 2014 02: 33
      +4
      There is nothing better in the world than Riding without gas and without light. Our happiness is Obama Oblast dry packs, And in winter we will stretch our paws together. We will not forget our calling, We will jump to the delight of people. Those who ride are not afraid of frost. If only they would not leave us.
  2. Imperialkolorad
    Imperialkolorad 30 September 2014 09: 54
    +3
    Indeed, after the bombing of the east of the Ukrainian junta, nothing shines there. As for gas, we will cry with Porosenko and his associates. Not for that, they are set up to honestly pay for resources supplied from Russia
    1. Docent1984
      Docent1984 1 October 2014 09: 51
      0
      So it is stated that only on a prepayment basis)
  3. Janis S.U.
    Janis S.U. 30 September 2014 09: 58
    +10
    If only Russia helped with the heating of the republics of New Russia. Ukraine should not be trusted, and until it pays for everything earlier received, let them be drowned with their flags and tridents.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 30 September 2014 10: 01
    +4
    Deliveries will go on a prepayment basis....
    - Monsieur, it’s not mange for this journal. Geben zee world bitte etvas kopek auf dem stuck ford. Serve something to the Nazi Ukraine.
  5. brdnxela
    brdnxela 30 September 2014 10: 03
    +9
    you can give a pig and a rabbit gas. But only in the quantity necessary for baking them in the oven!
  6. ARES623
    ARES623 30 September 2014 10: 09
    +2
    How much the rope does not curl ... and pay all one - will have to. But the geyropeyskogo zhurnalyuga and this represents the intrigues of the Kremlin. With such approaches, you need to look at European consumers intently, what else are they up to? Apparently, the EU leadership is ready to get into the pocket of its voters to switch from Russian gas to Amer, but the inability to do this immediately causes them great irritation.
  7. sazhka4
    sazhka4 30 September 2014 10: 12
    +15
    All predictions are a "stupid" idea. Putin will not abandon the outskirts in trouble. "Sovereign" with Miller are kind at the expense of the people. "brothers" after all .. I am amazed at the two-facedness of this Janus. Not poroshenko and egghead, no. A third of Russia sits without gas, we have hot water in Engels 2 hours a day. And the outskirts will deliver on the full program .. Your mother's friends and brothers.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 30 September 2014 10: 23
      +1
      Gas was carried out to the outskirts under the Soviets and was not traded with the republics of the USSR. Now, profit is above all. If Europe forked out for a neighbor, it will be gas to the fullest. Something like this.
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 30 September 2014 10: 54
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        If Europe fork out for a neighbor, it will be gas to the full

        Europe will fork out, but the great Ukrainians still rob it))
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    3. Fin
      Fin 30 September 2014 11: 54
      0
      Quote: sazhka4
      we have hot water in Engels 2 hours a day.

      What's the problem? Maybe they just save? In our city of Murmansk, round the clock, in the summer, they turned it off for 3 weeks.
      1. sazhka4
        sazhka4 1 October 2014 11: 06
        0
        Quote: Fin
        What's the problem? Maybe they just save?

        They just Save .. And on the accounts .. As if they work without sparing their "belly". Not surprised .. Everything is in the order of things .. Not 37 years old.
  8. albi77
    albi77 30 September 2014 10: 14
    +3
    Too much optimism ...
    Kremlin victory ... Putin victory ...
    and in the Donbas they are still fighting, sometimes journalists do not see the situation to the end, let Philips be asked what is there and how.
  9. pahom54
    pahom54 30 September 2014 10: 19
    +6
    "Ukraine has pledged to pay Gazprom $ 2 billion by the end of October, and another $ 1,1 billion will be transferred to Gazprom by the end of 2014.
    The Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation explains that this money is part of the debt of 5,3 billion dollars: that is exactly how much Ukrainian Naftogaz owes to Gazprom. Repayment guarantor can speak to the World Bank and the EU .. "...

    You cannot believe one iota ... what is 2,1 lard + 1,1 lard allegedly by the end of the year, and the debt is twice as much !!! What are the guarantees of the World Bank and the EU? !!!
    This is today - yet, by the way, frosts have not begun - THEY started to wriggle already ... Money (debts) per barrel !!! Money in the morning, chairs in the evening ...
    They themselves called Putin Santa Claus ... So he will give you gifts that you all (Rukhland and the EU) deserve ...
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 30 September 2014 12: 19
      +2
      Quote: pahom54
      You can’t believe one iota ... what is 2,1 lard + 1,1 lard supposedly by the end of the year, and the debt is twice as much !!! What are the guarantees of the World Bank and the EU? !!!

      Well, damn it. Well, read the agreement carefully! Conditions for resuming gas supplies to Ukraine:
      1. 3,1 billion by the end of the year, DEBT ACCOUNT more than 5 billion. Those. thereby Ukraine RECOGNIZES a debt of more than 5 billion.
      2. Gas supplies - PRE-PAY ONLY.
      Ukraine will pay the difference between more than 5 billion and 3,1 million billion after the decision of the Stockholm arbitration in the summer of 2015.
      And it is still unknown: Gazprom put fines in arbitration for failure to comply with the "Take or pay" condition. And this is also said by about 5 billion.
      In fact, this is a complete defeat for Ukraine in the gas issue.
      The freebie is over. Now forever.
      1. Steel loli
        Steel loli 30 September 2014 16: 50
        +1
        Those. thereby Ukraine RECOGNIZES a debt of more than 5 billion.

        Not certainly in that way. Ukraine does not recognize the remaining 2 billion in debt. They themselves said that they would pay them only if the Strasbourg court took the side of Russia in this "debt process".
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    2. Turkir
      Turkir 1 October 2014 11: 57
      0
      "Ukraine pledged to pay Gazprom $ 2 billion

      Committed and already paid - a big difference.
      There are sanctions against Russia, but gas is coming ..
      And people are dying ..
  10. Begemot
    Begemot 30 September 2014 10: 20
    +8

    Fredrik Erixon, director of the European Center for International Political Economy in Brussels, believes Putin’s strategic goal is to destabilize Ukraine. “People are deceiving themselves if they think it’s possible to sign a contract with Putin,”


    This is news !!, but I didn’t know that Putin was really Abama. The world of European politicians is wonderful.
  11. Monge
    Monge 30 September 2014 10: 27
    +3
    The September 25 material actually talks about Putin’s geopolitical victory in Ukraine.
    I think we should not deceive ourselves. The United States has a geopolitical victory. The Americans have achieved most of their goals.
  12. gunter_laux
    gunter_laux 30 September 2014 10: 37
    +1
    The terms of the deal involve the payment by Ukraine of Russian gas at the price of 385 $ per 1000 cubic meters over the next six months. Gazprom said that such an agreement on price was his last offer.

    We can still push the birch woods ... Let the barbecue be fried on the Maidan, at the same time they will warm up!
  13. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 30 September 2014 10: 43
    +1
    Why would the BB itself destabilize Ukraine, if there were so many of its destroyers that did not push through, and already at all levels of power. There is one new parliament that will consist of some fascists will convince this country in a couple of months. This country misunderstanding is, by definition, doomed
  14. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 30 September 2014 10: 56
    +6
    Hello! hi
    QUOTE: "As for President Poroshenko, he said:" The issue of territorial integrity, the issue of independence cannot be put up for auction. "
    And in fact:
  15. shishakova
    shishakova 30 September 2014 11: 01
    +1
    Thanks to the author.
    Despite criticism of Putin by Western politicians, it is clear from the article that our President is pursuing the right policy.
  16. gaura
    gaura 30 September 2014 11: 21
    +5
    Moreover, the current "weakening" of the conflict has helped Russian stocks and the ruble. Even despite the sanctions, the ruble has shown excellent results in recent days among the 24 currencies of developing countries monitored by Bloomberg.

    Are we talking about the results ?! The dollar is already 39 rubles, the euro - 49. Is the stable slide of the ruble an "excellent result"? How many beautiful words are poured, the price of which is half a penny
  17. padded jacket
    padded jacket 30 September 2014 11: 27
    +7
    I could not resist therefore I will hang here:
  18. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 30 September 2014 11: 34
    +7
    Hello! About gas ...
    1. Posya10rus
      Posya10rus 30 September 2014 11: 56
      +1
      Thanks, smiled !!!! So it is necessary to do, otherwise it is not clear 2 + 1.1 = 5.1? So again gas is obtained on credit.
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 30 September 2014 13: 56
        +1
        Now, where are the others?
  19. Evgeni
    Evgeni 30 September 2014 12: 07
    +2
    Quote: Egoza
    Quote: Magic Archer
    I wonder where the money to pay off debt comes from.

    ... and the supply by Gazprom to Ukraine of 5 billion cubic meters of gas on the basis of an advance payment at a price of $ 385 per thousand cubic meters.

    and that's about two more yards of prepayment. I do not believe that they will pay.
  20. Viktor Kudinov
    Viktor Kudinov 30 September 2014 12: 28
    +2
    The principle of "prepayment for gas supplies" was somehow gently omitted. Whether it will work or not is the question. Judging by the fact that Ukraine cannot fully repay 5 billion today, there will be no prepayment either.
  21. ed65b
    ed65b 30 September 2014 12: 28
    +6
    In Irkutsk there is no gas heated with wood. As for the videos on stealing firewood from a neighbor, it’s an incident from my life; I’ve ganged firewood from my grandfather from a log of wood in the winter, I couldn’t catch and figure it out. there were suspicions but no thief was caught. then the grandfather muddied a surprise, drilled a hole in the log and fell asleep there, the powder was chopped by a chopik and masked. the log was successfully stolen and after a very short time it exploded, not so very much, but the stove at the neighbor's house three times after the street teased. so grandfather figured out a thief.
  22. Bassoon
    Bassoon 30 September 2014 13: 17
    +1
    In addition, the third Maidan is likely in winter. There is a lot of hot water, electricity tariffs have skyrocketed, and gas is still dumb too.
    1. AVIATOR36662
      AVIATOR36662 30 September 2014 14: 20
      +1
      Maidan-costly business.Who will in this case pay for this Maidan? All possible sponsors have received their own and have no interest in "continuing the banquet".
  23. pensioner
    pensioner 30 September 2014 13: 32
    +4
    Read the article "Deactivated coal of Ukraine"on the Political Review. Well, everything seems to be good. And then on you - bats:"And if the voltage drops below 50 hertz"... Well, damn it ... Well, is it really impossible to do without such blunders ??? By captivity, you yearn for Soviet editing and proofreading.
  24. DMB-75
    DMB-75 30 September 2014 14: 02
    +5
    ... in winter, even animals begin to speak Russian laughing
    1. Simple
      Simple 30 September 2014 17: 34
      +1
      Quote: DMB-75
      ... in winter, even animals begin to speak Russian laughing




      In the cold, it is desirable to have a tube TV.

      And other electric heaters.

      If the plugs in the switchboard often begin to knock out, throw them out.

      Instead of plugs, a screwdriver has proved itself well (the thickness of the rod is at least 6mm).
      There should be a spare screwdriver on hand in case the first one overheats.

      If the central heating radiators do not heat well, bring the "return" to the bathroom (an irrigation hose is suitable for this purpose. There were individuals who, due to the lack of a hose of sufficient dinna, brought the "return" to the balcony, although they lived on the fifth floor and it was a frosty season outside ... smile ) This advice is recommended (in order to avoid misunderstandings with neighbors) to apply to residents on the top floor.

      Cellophane on the windows helps as well.
      If you think that "potbelly stove" on wood and coal in winter in a panel house is foolishness - then you (the pronoun "you" is used in the plural) are wrong. smile
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 30 September 2014 17: 49
        +1
        Quote: Simple
        In the cold, it is desirable to have a tube TV.

        good
        Grew in the city of Gubakha. The winters in the 60s and 70s were very severe. Plus snowstorms. In winter, they went to watch a telly in a large room of a 2-room apartment in felt boots and fur coats. From the winter, the women in the large room covered the batteries with quilted jackets and blankets so that they would not defrost. It so happened that my father moved from the hut where I was born into a type of well-maintained 2-story brick (white brick ...) house a month after I was born. And right away I got pneumonia. They barely pumped me out. Couldn't have been better ...
        And we really had a tube TV - "Concert". TV set + 2nd class receiver + turntable. 3 in one ...
        1. Simple
          Simple 30 September 2014 18: 23
          +2
          And I was born and raised in the city of Karaganda.

          Previously, everyone had tube TVs. Universal thing. winked. In cold weather on telly, indoor plants could be heated.


          Inflammation of the lungs at this age is not without consequences, as far as I know.
  25. thinker
    thinker 30 September 2014 15: 06
    0
    There are several other figures for gas Santa Barbara:
    30.09.2014 | 13:29
    Novak: Russia expects $ 3,9 billion from Kiev to resume gas supplies
    Moscow expects $ 3,9 billion from Kiev to resume gas supplies. This amount includes debt for fuel delivered ($ 2 billion) and required prepayment - $ 1,9 billion, the head of the Ministry of Energy of Russia Alexander Novak told reporters.
    At the same time, the Ukrainian side announced its intention to carry out the first tranche in payment of debt at the end of October in the amount of $ 1,5 billion.
    Novak noted that in order to resume supplies, Kiev must pay off all debt, otherwise it is a one-goal game.
    “This is a fundamental thing. The moment of prepayment and payment of a partial debt of $ 2 billion is a process that is simultaneous, ”said the head of the Russian Ministry of Energy.

    http://rusnovosti.ru/news/343843/
  26. TECHNOLOGY
    TECHNOLOGY 30 September 2014 15: 25
    +4
    Comrades, get involved! I organize a "business"!
  27. jasorgho
    jasorgho 30 September 2014 17: 05
    0
    ))) and if they had fought ... they would have shown Kuzkin’s mother))
  28. 123_123
    123_123 30 September 2014 17: 42
    +3
    What does payment mean at the end of 2014? 5 billion cubic meters that they now want to receive. no delivery without prepayment. Already we got these Bandera parasites, living at our expense and, moreover, to us and crap. Each National Guard - a gas pipe in the ass and feed with peas and come up with a motto for them - who doesn’t ... eat - and no gas without advance payment, for how much they paid - they received so much.
  29. Lyton
    Lyton 1 October 2014 06: 08
    +1
    Here are those grandmothers and Yuryevs day, until they paid any money, and give gas already, it’s nothing that they are killing Russians in the east, only give money to our national treasure and will be used by banderlogs in order, and then they will forget about debts. I’m apparently not as smart as the people in our government, but I also watch the works of Ilf and Petrov, they didn’t teach anything, can we re-read it again? The World Bank and the EU can act as guarantors, it is hard to believe, these Ukrainians will steal the money and that’s all, and then appeal to a conscience that doesn’t exist.
  30. Semenov
    Semenov 1 October 2014 07: 33
    +1
    Ukropitekov to Lard and not close to let-plundered. It will be electronically transferred to the type of Ukrainian accounts somewhere in Switzerland, from there to Gazprom accounts. Ukraine - a new debt, Europe - gas, money for us. By the way, I have not heard about Putin’s loan of three lard. Information slipped that there were already transfers (186 million).
  31. Roshchin
    Roshchin 1 October 2014 10: 00
    +1
    The article says that oral agreements have been reached, which need to be formalized at the government level. The price of verbal agreements on the price of gas, and most importantly, everyone has long known about payment. I wonder who in the Ukrop government will sign such agreements. The signature of the former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko cost her imprisonment. Who will want to become the next "zradnik Ukraine", with inevitable consequences? Let's see if the immortal formula will work - money in the morning, chairs in the evening, voiced by the GDP specifically on the gas issue.
  32. Ramzes17
    Ramzes17 3 October 2014 09: 23
    0
    In vain. In vain we went to a meeting. In vain once again made a discount. In vain! Dill this will not be appreciated, but the next time they will only bargain recklessly. Ukram needs to sell gas at $ 400. Or how much Gazprom voiced in April.
  33. Prager
    Prager 3 November 2014 16: 38
    0
    no matter what the price, but they will still steal gas. axiom! dill = thief. am