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Germany today is not able to fulfill its obligations to NATO

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The German Defense Ministry cannot yet fulfill all its obligations to the North Atlantic alliance, reports RIA News with reference to the head of department, Ursula von der Lyayen.



“Due to the serious lack of equipment, the Bundeswehr is currently unable to fulfill all its obligations to NATO. As for the number of aircraft, we have not yet fulfilled the goals set last year and cannot provide NATO with the promised number of such devices within 180 days in the event of a crisis. ”, The minister said to the weekly Bild am Sonntag.

According to her, the main problems of the department are related to the delivery of spare parts for aircraft and the failure of Navy helicopters.

The weekly reports that today "the German Air Force is in worse condition than expected: only 38 from 89 Tornado fighters are in combat readiness, 24 from 56 Transal transport planes, from 109 Eurofighter fighters can perform combat missions only 42." From the report of the Ministry of Defense it appears that the test of all helicopters will be completed no earlier than 2015, which “limits the capabilities of the Navy of the Federal Republic of Germany”.

Lyayen noted that it would take more than one year to solve the problems that had arisen, since the financing of military equipment was given second place - first of all, the money was invested in operations carried out by the Bundeswehr abroad.
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  1. skylare
    skylare 29 September 2014 10: 28
    +9
    It seems that in other countries of the Alliance in Europe, things are not much better.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 29 September 2014 10: 30
      +28
      in England with a Cuban aviation. Our army can endure Europe.

      But with the USA, England, Europe and Australia + Japan it will be difficult for us.

      It all depends on China. If he spits in our backs, we will perish. But no - then you can ignore sanctions and barking
      1. Stalevar
        Stalevar 29 September 2014 10: 31
        +8
        It seems that in other countries of the Alliance in Europe, things are not much better.
        Much worse! The only exception is Turkey. And what do you want, twenty years of calm and permissiveness. Who could bark at the Alliance? So they decided that everyone is so afraid of why the armed forces. But it turned out differently. Russia too early to be discounted. Now they have come to their senses, mattresses in a pompous manner demand an increase in military expenses from their accomplices, and where to get the money, if it’s not before now in Europe, and the budget needs to be redone for this business, and there you look, your own citizens will start to buzz!
      2. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 29 September 2014 10: 39
        +10
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        It all depends on China. If he spits in our backs, we will perish.


        He will not spit ... He will be the next ...
      3. nikrandel
        nikrandel 29 September 2014 10: 40
        -2
        Unfortunately, we are not competitive with them. This can be seen by the ratio of forces and means, the number of tanks, aircraft, ships and so on. For example, the United States has 13 aircraft carriers, and we only have one, Admiral Kuznetsov. The second (Admiral Gorshkov) we have already sold to India. Moreover, our aircraft carrier is not even nuclear, but on the basis of a steam-powered power plant. According to the state, it can carry 72 aircraft, and in fact no more than 20. Compared with the times of the USSR, our fleet decreased by 5-6 times. 80% reduced the number of surface ships, submarines and combat aircraft. We had four missile-carrying aviation divisions. This is a powerful strike force that could destroy American aircraft carriers. Now they are not at all. Russia has the atomic cruiser Peter the Great, and in the days of the USSR there were four.
        In the ground forces a similar picture. There is such a thing as staffing. We have 200 thousands of military personnel shortage. Moreover, most of it falls on the ground forces (only about 300 thousand people). 32 combined-arms brigades correspond to ten divisions. Naturally, the number of NATO troops is an order of magnitude higher. The same goes for the number of tanks, artillery. We are currently not able to confront NATO.
        We can stop the alliance’s aggression against Ukraine only by threatening to use nuclear weapons.
        1. nikrandel
          nikrandel 29 September 2014 10: 54
          +18
          The main trump card of Russia in a possible military conflict, in addition to not the weakest Air Force, is the country's air defense system, which is able to make the Russian sky inaccessible to the actions of aviation of any probable enemy. And without the support of aviation today, it is impossible to conduct any successful military operations against sufficiently strong enemy ground groups. Considering that the US Army will be forced to conduct battles for bridgeheads and their further expansion at the initial stage of the campaign, such operations without air supremacy will be doomed to failure in advance.
          The backbone of the Russian air defense systems C-300 able to deal with any potential enemy. According to a number of European experts, Russia's air defense system is able to destroy up to 80% of any type of aircraft invading its airspace. Russian experts are more modest and estimate this number in 60-65%, but in any case, enemy aviation will simply suffer irreparable damage, from which it can no longer recover. For the 2010 year, the Russian air defense system included about 2100 launchers of S-300 of various types, C-400 deployed 9 divisions - 72 launchers, all in all until the 2020 year it is planned to deploy 56 divisions armed with this complex. In addition, the troops have at least 22 short-range air defense systems - Shell-S1.
          It is air defense that is the main trump card of Russia and its “umbrella” that will protect the country from possible aggression. Under the defense of air defense before 2020, Russia will be able to significantly upgrade both its ground forces and the air force, which will be replenished with new combat equipment. After 2020, the likelihood of a direct armed conflict between the United States and Russia, which even now seems very unlikely, will drop to almost zero.
          1. Mama_Cholli
            Mama_Cholli 29 September 2014 11: 30
            +6
            Why does no one take into account the total population of Europe and the USA, which is more than 10 times the population of Russia? Japan can certainly not be taken into account, but given that we are at war and they are allies of the United States and they are almost 2 times more than us.

            If we take into account the war with the use of nuclear weapons, then of course this is an insignificant point, but if we take the usual one, then we simply have no chance. Crush the shaft.
            1. nikrandel
              nikrandel 29 September 2014 11: 43
              +2
              there are almost 2 times more than us.


              Well, not 2 times ... there are 143 million of us, and the Japanese - 130 million. hi
            2. FREGATENKAPITAN
              FREGATENKAPITAN 29 September 2014 11: 44
              +13
              Something I did not notice how Europe crushed Hitler with a rampart when he occupied most of it ........ having thrown off the rest of the troops in the English Channel
              1. Mama_Cholli
                Mama_Cholli 29 September 2014 12: 02
                +3
                About the number of yapes, I really overestimated 2 times., Thanks for the correction.

                Hitler is not only about numbers.
                This meant not only the population, but also the state of production / the ability to produce certain products for the front. There, by the way, the same working hands will be required, even for children. No need to think that everything will be decided with little blood, in such a war. Our territory is really large, which can not be said about the population. In an atomic war, we will wipe them off the face of the earth (we will disappear ourselves too), but in an ordinary one (with such a balance of power) they will erase us slowly, but surely ... IMHO
            3. UREC
              UREC 29 September 2014 12: 33
              +3
              It is unlikely that gays, transvestites and obese, as yet men of Geyropii are capable of fighting!
            4. ARES623
              ARES623 29 September 2014 13: 17
              +3
              Not all truth is in numbers. Russia almost always started a war defending its territory. And houses and walls are stronger, and the spirit. Even those who have disengaged from military service are unlikely to ignore the rise in public opinion in the event of the protection of their territories. Even modern youth is capable of manifestation of heroism, and mass. The United States will not be able to seriously increase the ground grouping in Europe, and the European army has always been successful against a weak enemy, but has stalled in Russia. In general, everything is very ambiguous ....
            5. lonovila
              lonovila 29 September 2014 15: 37
              +1
              -Ha ... -Yes, in Japan, as many (if not more) people live on these miserable islands (in number) as in the vast expanses of Russia ... -And if you consider that in Japan they practically live (and serve in the "self-defense troops"), mostly ethnic Japanese .., you can only imagine ... -what kind of cohesive force they represent ... plus the latest weapons and excellent professional military specialists ... plus the absence of a "fifth column" and so on. ..
              1. Rakti-kali
                Rakti-kali 29 September 2014 16: 41
                +1
                Quote: lonovila
                plus the latest weapons

                So-so ... pulls to mid-90s. And they have about 40% of that. The rest is UG. In the fleet 50/50.
                Quote: lonovila
                excellent professional military specialists

                Nothing outstanding. Ordinary military personnel. Moreover, the terrible formalists - from the Prussian and British military schools managed to take all the worst features.
            6. Iline
              Iline 29 September 2014 18: 10
              +1
              Quote: Mama_Cholli
              Why no one takes into account the total population of Europe and the USA

              The more numerous army did not always win the war over the less numerous. It is all the more necessary to take into account the Babylonian mixing of peoples in this so-called army and the lack of solid motivation in the war with Russia. Everything superficial ceases to act after the first impressive kick and screams like "we have been betrayed", "aliens are fighting against us on the side of the Russians." Doesn't it look like anything?
            7. zhuk-51
              zhuk-51 29 September 2014 23: 49
              0
              You, maybe not, but don’t sign for Russia. She’s already been tortured more than once, she’s not to be Russia. And as you can see, she is and always will be.
          2. mamont5
            mamont5 29 September 2014 14: 25
            +2
            Quote: nikrandel
            Unfortunately, we are not competitive with them. This can be seen by the ratio of forces and means, the number of tanks, aircraft, ships and so on.


            All this is so. But not everything is evaluated only by the quantity and quality of weapons (although this is also important). None of the NATO armies have a darling, even today's Germans, not to mention the rest. In addition, the main forces of NATO are the USA (far beyond the ocean) and Turkey (it is very doubtful that it will fight for US ideas).
          3. g1v2
            g1v2 29 September 2014 14: 29
            +4
            The NATO and Russian war will, by definition, develop into a nuclear war, where there will be no survivors, and it will not work to try to pose as the USSR army. Trying to achieve parity with 28 countries that collectively surpass us in terms of population by 7 times, and in terms of financial capabilities xs is not an option. Therefore, GDP has always said that our answer will be asymmetric. Aircraft carriers will not increase our combat effectiveness, because NATO will have more of them anyway, but to ruin our economy is easy. Here is the construction of a large-scale air defense system, and about this business is useful and more effective. Of course, we will not be able to cover the whole country, but strategic areas and directions are quite. In the Navy, the main emphasis is on the submarine fleet, the advantage of which has been tested by the experience of the Second World War. In the event of a global war, our large surface ships will endure even if we double their number, and it is unlikely that they will be able to inflict critical damage on the NATO fleets, but the submarine fleet can cause NATO serious problems. AT
            the land war, however, we have every chance, since the land forces of amers are scattered all over the world and cannot be instantly thrown against us.
            for those who want a 3rd world war, I advise you - cool down, drink some water, make a fart and continue playing computer games. Dreaming of a fleet of large surface ships, comparable to NATO fleets - buy a calculator and calculate the cost of production and maintenance of such a fleet, and then read a couple of books about the actions of the German fleet in the Second World War. This is indicative, since this is an example of the confrontation between a continental power at sea and sea powers, in which the Navy is the most important and trained part of the sun.
            1. Army1
              Army1 29 September 2014 19: 19
              +2
              Quote: g1v2
              In the Navy, the main emphasis is on the submarine fleet, the advantage of which has been tested by the experience of the Second World War.

              Attention!
              Quote: g1v2
              In the event of a global war, our large surface ships will endure even if we double their number, and it is unlikely that they will be able to inflict critical damage on the NATO fleets, but the submarine fleet can cause NATO serious problems.

              Not a fact, if you think that our ships will endure just like that, then what for an adversary to take out a submarine fleet? Or does he have no submarine fleet? what and anti-submarine aircraft? Minus from me crying Because modern conflict, especially marine, is a huge job of surface and submarine fleets, aviation, including ground, electronic warfare, professionalism and mood of the crew. Alas, it is very difficult to endure each other, but at the same time, due to one error, the AUG can be delayed and this is not fantastic, but the losses are big.
            2. Levhav
              Levhav 30 September 2014 13: 00
              +1
              I completely agree. You can add that the submarine is about 10 times cheaper than an aircraft carrier, and since Russia does not seem to be planning a large-scale invasion of foreign territory, it is better to have 10 submarines to protect against enemy ships than one aircraft carrier that is more suitable for offensive than defensive operations.
          4. Sergei1982
            Sergei1982 29 September 2014 15: 01
            +4
            Well, your data is not entirely correct for the United States 10 aircraft carriers and not 13, but of course this does not change anything, but we have complete losses in the fleet but nevertheless we have a relatively full fleet and the United States did not encounter anyone at sea after the Second World War, and besides, in capable hands, one submarine can destroy the entire carrier group if it’s lucky, according to ground forces: we have in service, according to some data, t-72-1500 (reserve 7500) t-80-1000 (3500) t-90- 350 (120) even if even 1/3 of the combat capacity of the reserve is 2850 + 4000 tanks, according to NATO USA-2500 England -250, Germany -400, France -400 in Turkey, the bulk are Turkey's obsolete m60 and leo-1, so here is the situation better than in the fleet on air defense and air force completely agree, do not forget about the internal waxes of 170-185 thousand people having almost the same weapons as motorized rifles.
            1. Olegovi4
              Olegovi4 29 September 2014 16: 22
              +1
              Quote: Sergei1982
              about internal waxes-170-185 thousand people having almost the same weapons as motorized rifles

              at the same time, one should not forget about the "training of personnel" of the mob.reserve. how many people passed through two Chechen wars and Ossetia, Transnistria, Serbia, etc. ? and these are not only people who have passed through the armed forces, but also the Ministry of Internal Affairs. and the experience is BATTLE. And how many of them are there in Europe?
        2. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 29 September 2014 11: 02
          +5
          Quote: nikrandel
          We can stop the alliance’s aggression against Ukraine only by threatening to use nuclear weapons.


          So why so many letters? Yes, and we will not pull the content of such an armada. Only the threat of unacceptable damage and keeps all this pack on a leash ...
        3. FREGATENKAPITAN
          FREGATENKAPITAN 29 September 2014 11: 42
          +5
          Not so ....... no one is going to arrange a naval battle with the Americans fleet on a fleet like Midway Island ........ All these AUGs are scattered around the world ..... and the shock fist against one -Two AUGs at our borders, our capabilities allow us to create moreover in each Fleet (I mean the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet) .... Do not forget that under the USSR, our main weapons in the fleet were not carrier groups, but just missile strike groups of ships and PL, attack aircraft ...... Believe one Project 949a submarine is capable of destroying the AUG alone ... Well, then tanks ........ thousands of them (!!!) canned are behind the Urals .. ........... Not so bad as it seems at first glance .....
          1. lonovila
            lonovila 29 September 2014 15: 48
            0
            -What kind of tanks ..? -In Iraq, too, there were whole armadas of our tanks ... -and what ..?
            -So now Russia, instead of adopting and starting to produce a modern tank "Black Eagle", begins to re-adopt an outdated, slightly modernized tank "Armata" ... -What's that ..? - Treachery and direct sabotage of Russia's defense capability ..?
            1. Olegovi4
              Olegovi4 29 September 2014 16: 27
              0
              Quote: lonovila
              In Iraq, too, were

              "Arabs, sir. Arabs ..." and at the same time can you still "remember" who and how shredded these armada of tanks? what happened to the air defense and missile defense? maybe someone drove amersky fleet away from the Iraqi borders? I think the comparison of IRAQ and RUSSIA is not correct at least.
            2. Eltempo23rus
              Eltempo23rus 29 September 2014 19: 58
              0
              It’s not just about tanks. You forgot about the crew’s training, the types of shells (in Iraq were outdated), the tactics of using tanks, the terrain and type of terrain, and a bunch of factors. Do you think there was a fair battle of tanks against tanks in Iraq? And American aviation, which hollowed Iraqi tanks. Iraq could oppose something serious in the air?
          2. Army1
            Army1 29 September 2014 19: 29
            0
            Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
            Not so ....... no one is going to arrange a naval battle with the Americans fleet on a fleet like Midway Island ........ All these AUGs are scattered around the world ..... and the shock fist against one -Two AUGs at our borders, our capabilities allow us to create moreover in each Fleet (I mean the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet) .... Do not forget that under the USSR, our main weapons in the fleet were not carrier groups, but just missile strike groups of ships and PL, attack aircraft ...... Believe one Project 949a submarine is capable of destroying the AUG alone ... Well, then tanks ........ thousands of them (!!!) canned are behind the Urals .. ........... Not so bad as it seems at first glance .....

            + smile Their AUS will not be all the more AUG, approaching our territories, it is suicidal, But sea battles somewhere in the open ocean, it is more interesting and here in theory the advantage is with the USA, or rather carrier-based aircraft, but no one will say how it will work on ships (ours), this is both the combat radius and the load. Not all planes carry strike weapons, there are also air defense planes that must bring down our anti-ship missiles. Given modern anti-ship missiles, a sudden strike can take the AUG by surprise, although this is also a theory.
            There is a legend that on our ships there is a wunderwaffle or, along with the warships, there is a seemingly civilian ship that knocks out all the electronics, and then just a salvo from two "loaves", but this is also so to speak ... request
        4. Ober.K
          Ober.K 29 September 2014 11: 57
          +5
          Sergey, let's look at this problem from the other side. No one ever openly threatened our country if we were very strong! There is no big tragedy in what you are writing about! The problem is serious, but not a tragedy. The events of recent months have confirmed the fact that we need to have everything our own! Everything that really affects the country's defense should be "homegrown" !!! Then we and attacks, sanctions ... "to the lantern" There is no reception against the scrap, except for another scrap !!! Russia is not in the first ... let's break through! We will be stronger, that's all! hi
      4. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 29 September 2014 10: 51
        0
        Cross out Australia and Japan. Dohlyaki ... The gut is thin ... They will become scared of their love ... They will sit out.
        1. FREGATENKAPITAN
          FREGATENKAPITAN 29 September 2014 12: 00
          +3
          Hmm .... that's just the Australians are great soldiers .. it showed both 2WW and the war in Korea and Vietnam
          1. lonovila
            lonovila 29 September 2014 15: 50
            0
            -Japanese are even cooler ...
      5. Varyag_1973
        Varyag_1973 29 September 2014 10: 59
        +9
        For c-t Petrov. We will not perish, do not be afraid! Nuclear weapons have not yet been canceled, and this is actually a guarantee of independence! Ours, thank God, did not drink all the brains out with a drunkard and did not allow the Strategic Missile Forces to be destroyed! By the way, unlike the states, our Strategic Missile Forces are constantly replenished and modernized, but the mattress makers, despite their military budget, do not reach the nuclear forces! In the current situation, another five to ten years and mattress covers can remain without nuclear weapons! Although they are intensively developing other types of weapons, they are preparing their own response to their development, so here parity will be maintained! The only question is how many states with such a budget will stretch, at one time the USSR overstrained on this, and even on the fact that it fed "allies" all over the world for free, their mother!
        1. 225chay
          225chay 29 September 2014 13: 07
          +4
          Quote: Varyag_1973
          unlike the states, our strategic missile forces are constantly replenished and modernized, but the mattresses, despite their military budget, do not reach the nuclear forces! In the current situation, another five to ten years, and mattresses can remain without nuclear weapons


          So then, so ...
          But if someone has not forgotten, the USSR (or Russia under Yeltsman) gave almost all the weapons stockpiles of Uranus and Plutonium to mattresses and, if I am not mistaken, for nothing.
          And the main uranium mines were in my opinion in Kazakhstan ...

          How to "stuff" nuclear warheads now?

          Oh, in Hell they can’t wait for the bastards who ruined the USSR and signed treacherous treaties ....
      6. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 29 September 2014 12: 12
        +4
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        with USA, England, Europe and Australia + Japan


        The Lord is with you!
        What do you want to fight with all of them all the time?

        Maybe someone stupidly slopes.
        1. vinc
          vinc 29 September 2014 14: 37
          +1
          Here the Germans have already jumped.
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    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 29 September 2014 10: 32
      +4
      The burghers didn’t have enough money, they walked too broadly before that, and their pants were torn.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 29 September 2014 11: 27
        +6
        Quote: Thought Giant
        walked too wide before that
        Not. Not this way. You need to know the Germans. One must live with them in order to understand that they will never spend more than they can spend.
        But the point is different. They gave too much. Too many have been celebrated. Too many were dragged without bending.
        Now restrict social. programs - it means to cause discontent in the country. And not among the Germans, but among all the rabble ...
        1. 290980
          290980 29 September 2014 13: 03
          +5
          Quote: Ptah
          Quote: Thought Giant
          walked too wide before that
          Not. Not this way. You need to know the Germans. One must live with them in order to understand that they will never spend more than they can spend.
          But the point is different. They gave too much. Too many have been celebrated. Too many were dragged without bending.
          Now restrict social. programs - it means to cause discontent in the country. And not among the Germans, but among all the rabble ...

          the most sober commentary, the Germans with such articles give a subtle hint that "enough to feed the Caucasus" that there is where to spend the grandmother.

          here nemchigi show who is the real aggressor

          1. Ptah
            Ptah 1 October 2014 01: 35
            +2
            Danke !!!
            But put your name!
            Be sure to put it on, camerade! Like "schneller" ...
            Or I can not vouch for the requests to the admins. And they will follow no further in two days ...
            You have "troubles" through the Jews, but you didn't PROTECT ...
            Bitte, rake ...
            Mine bilaydigen ...
            To the snout ... To the snout, bro, for the wife and the cubs ... I couldn’t, I was blown away, I didn’t accept, I left ...
            I'm at home!!! Who yells - "On Bogrlin ...! Why? The Russians have little land?
            1. DRA-88
              DRA-88 1 October 2014 01: 45
              +3
              hi
              Quote: Ptah
              Ptah

              I wish you good health, Vadim! drinks
              You, as usual, are a nightly militant guest!
              I saw you trying to talk the "giant of thought", I assure you, wasted work !!!
              This one-way man lol
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 1 October 2014 02: 42
                +2
                Quote: DRA-88
                You, as usual, are a nightly militant guest!

                My greetings do not have limitations on you, Vladlen!
                I, yes "Guest" ???
                It will not be difficult for me to "treat" anyone, even the one who attached a "smoking kid" to "ava" ... For he himself is ready to "scratch out the zenki" to someone who only had the desire to spoil the gene pool ...
                Are you so unfamiliar "?

                Why did some "giagant" stick to me ... I easily type warnings for kusalovo with the Jews ... Sho me some "giants with thoughts". Moreover, they are in no hurry to share these thoughts ...
                Clamp his eggs in a vise?
                But in two years that Peter has the right to such "dye shoulder straps", but where did "portoc65" go?
                You do not know?

                Well there is no way... request
                I am for one-way traffic!
                Yours! good hi
                1. DRA-88
                  DRA-88 1 October 2014 03: 07
                  +2
                  Vadim, a big hello to you, from one of our common friends ..
                  I decided to tie ..., it’s a pity if ..., it’s impossible without Good People here!

                  portoc65 apparently received the coveted cardboard boxes and retired np !!!! laughing
                  but kusalovo with "Palestinian Cossacks" yesterday I had, the current cost minus ... laughing
                  Yours! drinks
                  1. Ptah
                    Ptah 1 October 2014 03: 29
                    +2
                    Well glad we understood "hole-hole" / network slang / ...
                    Quote: DRA-88
                    Greetings to you, from one of our common friends ..
                    I decided to tie ...

                    Well, thank God ... And then, like a fly-fruit fly too much in the eyes, flickered in the morning, even tried to sculpt a Portuguese "flag" ...
                    What was nimble ..., huh?
                    Well, she died, she died ...
                    Who will remember the old, the "epaulet" out. And who will remember - the whole IP ...

                    Want to teach ...
                    If the Jews are recruiting "plus-followers" through a "personal", then why can't we, the "Germans" ...
                    Moreover, since the days of "Fike-Dormshtadskaya" many Germans were simply ready * to break for the prosperity of Russia ...
                    Really?
                    1. DRA-88
                      DRA-88 1 October 2014 11: 30
                      +1
                      Quote: Ptah
                      Really?

                      I agree!!!
                      Yes, Catherine was a lady with character!
                      By the way, now I’m listening to one German music, it’s a pity that it’s not a format ...
    5. Mahmut
      Mahmut 29 September 2014 10: 40
      +3
      For the material well-being of citizens it was necessary to sacrifice someone's interests.
    6. krivdaSPb
      krivdaSPb 30 September 2014 12: 54
      +1
      it feels like everyone supported the Monkey, because they HAD to support it. There is nowhere to go.
      And then they just quietly began to sabotage. Like, we are all "For" with all our hands, but you can see for yourself, here's the thing ...
  2. RUSOIVAN
    RUSOIVAN 29 September 2014 10: 29
    +2
    It's time to get out of there!
  3. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 29 September 2014 10: 29
    +2
    The right course, comrades good
  4. T-100
    T-100 29 September 2014 10: 30
    +5
    Germans back include
  5. bmv04636
    bmv04636 29 September 2014 10: 30
    +3
    about how, on the other hand, the supply of military equipment to the flood monarchies and the Kurds is increasing, we are giving out weapons, we are waiting from the dismantling of the Kurds and Turks in Germany
  6. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 29 September 2014 10: 30
    +10
    "Out of 109 Eurofighter fighters, only 42 can perform combat missions."

    And are these relatively new cars? belay One of two things: either the Germans scored on their Armed Forces, or subtly send NATO.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 29 September 2014 10: 33
      +2
      Germans have not had a life since 45 years. They are cut back in rights - as a demo version of what could be.

      The army is just one of the symptoms. It would be strange if their army were, flourished and multiplied. They can already dispute the commander’s orders directly in the ranks, what can I talk about.

      Either look for a nation of enemies and invest 10% of GDP in the army, trying to catch up, or act as they do now - do a good face with a bad game
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  7. svp67
    svp67 29 September 2014 10: 32
    +1
    Germany today is not able to fulfill its obligations to NATO
    But this is already dangerous. Under the "noise" of anti-Russian hysteria, the rise of the German military began. I think it’s not worth reminding how these climbs ended ...
    1. Heinrich ruppert
      Heinrich ruppert 29 September 2014 11: 11
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      But this is already dangerous. Under the "noise" of anti-Russian hysteria, the rise of the German military began. I think it’s not worth reminding how these climbs ended ...


      What the hell is the return of "former power". And who will feed the rest of the "European brothers"? The Bundeswehr would repair 80% of what is available. I live near a military airfield. For the last 5 years, when you see that the planes are performing training flights, you think that the pilots have chipped in on kirosin.
      1. 290980
        290980 29 September 2014 14: 55
        -1
        Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
        The last 5 years, when you see that the planes perform training flights, you think there that the pilots took off for kyrosin.


        ok zvizdat, over us both flew and fly.
        1. Heinrich ruppert
          Heinrich ruppert 29 September 2014 15: 14
          0
          Quote: 290980
          ok zvizdat, over us both flew and fly.


          Zvizdish you.
          1. Open your eyes and see what kind of aircraft. It doesn’t help you to take binoculars and look. Do not confuse civilians with the military.
          2. Airplanes stand and spare parts from one put on another so that at least some fly.
          3. Talk with pilots who perform training flights twice a month, as there is no more money.
          4.Before pampering, stick around the situation, otherwise you can turn out to be an eternal starball
    2. Varyag_1973
      Varyag_1973 29 September 2014 11: 18
      +2
      That is unlikely! The fact is that the burghers are not the same now, too much can be lost! Hitler managed to stir up poor, robbed and hungry Germany, now Germany is well fed, they have something to lose, and there are too many tollerasts! Although if they begin to drive in ideas about the reconstruction of the Third Reich from schools (although they secretly say that Germany is already the fourth Reich), then it is quite possible that in 15 years we can get a generation of Nazi thugs ready to fight Russia again! But I personally strongly doubt it, I do not think that the burghers will want to see the Russian flag over Berlin for the third time! It is now much more important for them to corrupt their youth with sexual "education" from childhood! There, parents are already imprisoned for refusing to attend such lessons by children! And with such problems, the Germans are clearly not up to playing war games, especially on the occasion of fascington!
      1. lonovila
        lonovila 29 September 2014 15: 56
        -1
        - Yes, the Germans will call into the army millions of "migrant workers" who have taken root in Germany ... - And they will "kill two birds with one stone" ... - and the army will be sent to fight and get rid of the extra "load" ...
        1. Olegovi4
          Olegovi4 29 September 2014 16: 30
          +3
          Quote: lonovila
          will call into the army millions of "settled"

          yeah, so the Turks will rush to die for Germany)))) ...
  8. sever.56
    sever.56 29 September 2014 10: 32
    +2
    Yes, everything is simple. The hawks in the German defense ministry want to knock out extra money for repairs and rearmament. They are not so weak.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 29 September 2014 12: 42
      +1
      Nevertheless, things are not so rosy among the Bundes. Their "furniture makers", under the pretext of the crisis, reduced the combat units of the Bundeswehr to practically the size of the Reichswehr, plus they began to sell the mobilization stock of the "old" Bundeswehr under the pretext of their redundancy for the new army.
      70 in the ground forces, 000 in the Luftwaffe and 35 in the Navy. Plus 000 16 in parts of support and medical service. Alles Kaput. smile
  9. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 29 September 2014 10: 33
    +1
    Feeling sad, the dough decided to cut down taxpayers into armaments.
  10. calocha
    calocha 29 September 2014 10: 34
    +3
    Perhaps this is a screen behind which preparations for a big war are in full swing. It is dangerous to believe the Fritz ... They recently stated that they did not provide military assistance to Ukraine, but in reality they allocated aid and there is evidence for this ..
  11. Pacifist
    Pacifist 29 September 2014 10: 35
    0
    If they stop hysterics and think a little, then the phrase "well, to hell with him" will be the correct answer.
    Dear Bundes and Geyropeytsy relax. You fucking didn't give up to anyone but yourself.
  12. vdtomsk
    vdtomsk 29 September 2014 10: 36
    0
    This news cannot but rejoice !!! With the growing military power of Russia among NATO countries, everything is in decline bully
  13. Curious
    Curious 29 September 2014 10: 36
    +1
    The Germans are doing everything so that only America ceases to bend them. They even admit that they will not be able to fight.
  14. Balamyt
    Balamyt 29 September 2014 10: 37
    +1
    It seems that their NATO, already with a decent "smell" and "rotten" .....
    Although it is impossible to underestimate!
    Let even before the heap, and Ukrainians hang on his neck!
  15. father nikon
    father nikon 29 September 2014 10: 38
    +2
    It looks like Germany is just politely excuses herself from the "requests" of her older brother from across the ocean yes
    1. Drednout
      Drednout 29 September 2014 10: 54
      +3
      Quote: father Nikon
      It looks like Germany is just politely excuses herself from the "requests" of her older brother from across the ocean yes

      Better take care of your little gold. We found someone to entrust.
      1. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 29 September 2014 12: 20
        +1
        Otmazyvatsya is still mildly said. I believe that the Fritzes, the closer the cabin with Ukra is, they will increasingly actively and hysterically look for reasons to eliminate from the fraud with Ukrnation. But the gold so impudent and so cynically-stupidly-lordly SSSh was squeezed from Merkel. Even she was sick of licking her ass Cheating and Kerryeshka, although she is their purchased character from World of Eurorcraft, but ordinary people everywhere are not happy about this and express everything openly, even their Euro oligarchs began to grumble to bow to the United States.
        And it soon becomes clear that the Germans in the United States no longer have any gold at all, it was melted back to Amer in the 50s and placed in Ford Knox.
      2. Eltempo23rus
        Eltempo23rus 29 September 2014 20: 22
        0
        And you with the help of gold and twist Germany as they want.
  16. askort154
    askort154 29 September 2014 10: 41
    +1
    The matter is fixable! That Ukraine will be admitted to NATA, and it will help not only Germany, but also to increase the whole NATU
    fighting ability.
    1. BOB044
      BOB044 29 September 2014 10: 47
      0
      Or quickly plunder and ruin the country.
  17. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 29 September 2014 10: 43
    0
    Hello! It seems to me that there can be two answers: 1-in the Bundeswehr, really not everything is good, but rather bad and 2-Germany is being dismissed from NATO military adventures under the orders of America! THANKS hi
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 29 September 2014 11: 01
      +1
      Yes, of course they are smeared! Expensive, troublesome, dangerous at last. And the Americans still will not return the gold reserve :-) And with so many emigrants from the Middle East, they are simply afraid, because the terrorists are torturing us.
  18. propolsky
    propolsky 29 September 2014 10: 44
    0
    The world will be calmer.
  19. cidr777
    cidr777 29 September 2014 10: 45
    +1
    Yes, everything was done in Geyrop. If everything is done through the anus, what will happen next? Therefore, Muslims want to strangle you-lesbians and gays have gathered in your Europe, and there are no men to fight, not one ... p will not climb.
  20. Balaganov
    Balaganov 29 September 2014 10: 49
    +1
    Fritzes are getting tense, fools pretended to be. They would also say that they have no armored vehicles.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 29 September 2014 11: 34
      +2
      And here is no ... request lol
      And there aren’t dypako, so first with doubtful interests use that armored vehicle, and then repair it.

      Look at the composition of the armies in any NATO maneuvers over the past three years. There is even Latvia, but there are no "Fritzes" ...
      "There is no" us "- fuck it all ..."
  21. shinobi
    shinobi 29 September 2014 10: 49
    -2
    NATO without the United States generally has a bunch of papers. Yes, and with the United States, they are still warriors. The Russian army will cut them like a hot-water bottle. Not easily and not just twice, but it will.
  22. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 29 September 2014 10: 57
    +1
    What do sanctions affect? Well, you waited when they finally work :-)
    But in fact, the Germans do not want to go hunting for cannon fodder, but give free rein to the mattress, they will fight with the whole world until the last foreign NATO soldier, kakly have already felt all the charm of the war for a mattress dream, they will soon receive "awards" ... Ah so funny:-)
  23. Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 29 September 2014 10: 57
    +2
    extrapolating William of our Shakespeare, I want to say: something has rotted in the Euro kingdom. wink
  24. Vend
    Vend 29 September 2014 10: 58
    +1
    A tricky way to evade participation in the conflict arranged by the United States. This is of course a cowardly way, well, at least so. NATO is not a combat-ready organization, it should be closed. laughing
    1. 290980
      290980 29 September 2014 14: 58
      0
      Quote: Wend
      A tricky way to evade participation in the conflict arranged by the United States. This is of course a cowardly way, well, at least so. NATO is not a combat-ready organization, it should be closed. laughing


      This is a pragmatic way, if they openly declare, the Americans can "ban the Deutsche" by not buying "hardware" from them, and the Germans have a lot of Amers' orders, so you have to play around.
  25. vass
    vass 29 September 2014 11: 02
    +3
    I read many comments and realized that we have a lot of hats. However, everything is much more serious. Starting with combat experience in the use of combat aircraft and its condition. We do not have it. As there is no well-developed interaction between the air defense command, aviation, ground and naval forces. So, under the guise of nuclear forces, more exercises and rearmament are needed. And now - to re-equip. Nm lucky, there are nuclear warheads. if not for them, they would have already cut us in half ....
  26. kelevra
    kelevra 29 September 2014 11: 02
    0
    Not able to, but they will still bend under the USA and try to give the last penny from the treasury! Where is the independence ,!
  27. MSA
    MSA 29 September 2014 11: 03
    0
    I think that this state of affairs, not only in Germany and NATO, is aware of this, therefore they prefer hidden confrontation ...
  28. kind
    kind 29 September 2014 11: 04
    0
    Why are their aunts so scary? From that and their politics awry.
    1. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 29 September 2014 11: 08
      +1
      Well, let's say this is even nothing, just an old one.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 29 September 2014 11: 43
        0
        56 years ... And you?
        1. Panikovsky
          Panikovsky 29 September 2014 14: 53
          +1
          but to me, for a minute, much less, only 52.
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 30 September 2014 01: 02
            0
            The age of the "boy" for whom the "pensioner" women seem to be decrepit old women ...
            Specialists in the course in the course -

            “Ostap came close to Vorobyaninov and, looking around, gave the leader a short, strong and imperceptible blow to the side.
            - Here is the police! Here you have the high cost of chairs for workers of all countries! Here are night walks for girls! Here's a gray hair in your beard! Here's a devil in your ribs! ... "
            (C) laughing hi drinks

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    2. Ptah
      Ptah 29 September 2014 11: 39
      +6
      This is not a "aunt", but Ursula von der Leyen - Minister of Defense of the Federal Republic of Germany.
      I would look at your wife (by the way, ask her opinions) or at yourself, after seven (!) Births ...
    3. 290980
      290980 29 September 2014 14: 49
      +1
      Quote: Good
      Why are their aunts so scary? From that and their politics awry.



      Well, yes))) it doesn’t stink laughing

      1. Panikovsky
        Panikovsky 29 September 2014 18: 44
        +1
        excellent, herr 290980, that's a plus! the comment is not an eyebrow, but an eye.
      2. Ptah
        Ptah 30 September 2014 00: 52
        +1
        Man, this is not Russian. This is educational !!!
        But the general cannot remain in good condition. As a latrine in the train jerk.
        Okay. It's a sin to get over a popular (with devils) "personality". She, as Gaidar reports, at these minutes the demons are pulling with red-hot tongs by the tongue.
        Send human rights activists to Alekseev and Brod ... Let them control.
  29. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 29 September 2014 11: 09
    +1
    Hardly such a sad state in the German army. Most likely this is an excuse from active participation in NATO operations. She would have liked, but how the public would react to this. Therefore, we decided to slow down a little.
  30. Crimea-nyash
    Crimea-nyash 29 September 2014 11: 13
    0
    but what trunk did not the Ukrainians bring troops to the east? overdone again? or went on about the "partners" ??? all the sanctions to one place, and we will be kicked by the "liberals", what next, there are sanctions, but the result is zero. Only they made themselves look cowardly and feeble idiots. All this talking shop is dead poultry. Thousands of dead Russians are on our conscience.
  31. pahom54
    pahom54 29 September 2014 11: 14
    0
    "It will take more than one year to resolve the problems that have arisen, since the financing of military equipment was given second place - first of all, money was invested in operations carried out by the Bundeswehr abroad" ...

    The problems of our various "partners" are a balm for the soul ...
    Germany and the Bundeswehr cannot or do not want to understand that with "operations abroad", which Germany essentially doesn’t need, their NATO host friends are weakening their economy ...
    Come on guys at the same pace, while not forgetting to threaten Russia ...
    And we will slowly go down the hill and take all this herd ...
  32. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 September 2014 11: 14
    +3
    And this is the most dangerous army in Europe. What then is everyone else? Germany will either tighten its belts strongly or spit on NATO and will not increase the military budget.
  33. Dobrov
    Dobrov 29 September 2014 11: 20
    +3
    Usrula previously worked as a gynecologist. She served as Chancellor Merkel. From experience I’ll say that a doctor should work as a doctor. Well, it doesn’t work for them (doctors) to work in other roles
    1. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 29 September 2014 11: 36
      +2
      and the gynecologist should generally be stuck in the same place and not climb the barracks. laughing
      1. Heinrich ruppert
        Heinrich ruppert 29 September 2014 11: 48
        +1
        Quote: Panikovsky
        Usrula previously worked as a gynecologist.


        Quote: Panikovsky
        and gynecologist


        And plus two higher economies, at the universities of Gottingen and Münster
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 29 September 2014 12: 05
          +2
          Greetings, Heinrich! Hallo, Lieber!
          Well, how is it in the "occupation"? Are there only Germans around? Even the song "Where does the Motherland begin" can only be sung in your own basement ... in a whisper ...
          Hold on, we'll be there soon. Although the Germans can scare this phrase to a stupor ...
          Not all...

          And Ursula’s reputation in general and career is close to impeccable.
          What perverts do not like ...
          Even the most experienced experts could not introduce the smiling fragile woman, whom the press called the supernanny for the number of children and political views, to the Minister of Defense.
          1. Heinrich ruppert
            Heinrich ruppert 29 September 2014 12: 35
            +3
            Greetings Vadim drinks
            My friend in the "occupation" is pretty good. We are waging a "partisan" war. After several bottles of vodka, the Germans begin to sing Kalinka.

            Quote: Ptah
            Hold on, we'll be there soon. Although the Germans can scare this phrase to a stupor ...
            Not all...


            Vadim used to say "the Russians are standing in front of the door," but now "the Russians own this door." So the door is open and 80% of the population is quite friendly. We ask for a visit.

            And I also admire this woman, as you wrote above, gave birth to seven children, received three higher educations and made a political career. It is worthy of respect.
    2. 290980
      290980 29 September 2014 14: 51
      +1
      Quote: Dobrov
      Usrula previously worked as a gynecologist. She served as Chancellor Merkel. From experience I’ll say that a doctor should work as a doctor. Well, it doesn’t work for them (doctors) to work in other roles



      I agree, and the furniture maker should make stools.
  34. iwakura
    iwakura 29 September 2014 11: 49
    0
    The Germans seem to be discouraged in advance from participating in any punitive operations to which they may be attracted. like "Ay, nicht we can bomb Syria, nothing at all"
  35. jovanni
    jovanni 29 September 2014 11: 55
    0
    "The German Defense Ministry cannot yet fulfill all obligations to the North Atlantic alliance"

    It can’t, well, don’t! Relax and have fun. Nobody needs your fucking nata. Well, so far it’s behaving decently ... This is just the problem ...
  36. na76
    na76 29 September 2014 12: 01
    +2
    Quote: Observer 33
    Cross out Australia and Japan. Dohlyaki ... The gut is thin ... They will become scared of their love ... They will sit out.


    Read the 2MB story. The soldiers of both countries were distinguished by a fair amount of courage. I’ll be silent about japs, it’s a sin not to respect them at all, it’s not so simple with the Australians either
  37. Andrey Russky
    Andrey Russky 29 September 2014 12: 18
    0
    Quote: Observer 33
    Cross out Australia and Japan. Dohlyaki ... The gut is thin ... They will become scared of their love ... They will sit out.

    70% of American soldiers do not want to fight even in Syria. I think that in relation to Russia, the figure will be surprisingly close to 100%. In Europe, I think, too, there are not many who wish.

    But the defense must be strengthened. Want peace - ...
  38. Andrey Russky
    Andrey Russky 29 September 2014 12: 18
    0
    Quote: Observer 33
    Cross out Australia and Japan. Dohlyaki ... The gut is thin ... They will become scared of their love ... They will sit out.

    70% of American soldiers do not want to fight even in Syria. I think that in relation to Russia, the figure will be surprisingly close to 100%. In Europe, I think, too, there are not many who wish.

    But the defense must be strengthened. Want peace - ...
  39. avryz
    avryz 29 September 2014 12: 51
    0
    NATO is living out its life
  40. koksalek
    koksalek 29 September 2014 12: 53
    0
    It looks like they want to evade the fulfillment of "conjugal" duties, like again my head hurts today sleep alone
  41. madrobot
    madrobot 29 September 2014 13: 42
    0
    I’m interested in 2 things:
    1. According to the VUS, I’m a T72 driver and I would like to know: how are they doing with Leo-2 (of all modifications) in this situation? And then about the Boxer (although this is an armored personnel carrier, but still ...) I read statistics of the same kind as for the Air Force.
    2. If even in Germany everything looks like this, then how do the armies of Italy, Spain and France look? Especially in Italy.

    belay judging by the flag, they dragged me from Ekaterinburg to the EU at night.
  42. Fast
    Fast 29 September 2014 13: 51
    0
    More large aunts-gynecologists to NATO defense ministers! And the presidents of NATO states! Once the Bolsheviks wanted to smuggle the cook in (oh, that would be!), But they recovered in time, they preferred Zhukov and Grechko. They are completely crazy about the tolerant, but they need it that way.
    1. 290980
      290980 29 September 2014 14: 46
      0

      Quote: Fast
      More large aunts-gynecologists to NATO defense ministers!


      the only plus to this aunt for the recent parachute jump with GSG special forces
  43. Viktor Kudinov
    Viktor Kudinov 29 September 2014 15: 36
    +1
    And why should Germany take on the excess ?! So, at her expense, Europe is fed. Or, after all, it is worth stopping feeding, and repairing your military equipment. To fly, crawl, shoot? But actually - it’s somehow not in German. This, sorry, is a mess, not a German order!
  44. Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 September 2014 15: 52
    0
    It seems to me that the ability to make up for losses will play an important role in the war. Those who can do it faster and cheaper will ultimately benefit. As an example, the T-34 and German mega-tanks.
  45. RAE8
    RAE8 29 September 2014 16: 31
    +1
    Quote: Ptah
    This is not a "aunt", but Ursula von der Leyen - Minister of Defense of the Federal Republic of Germany.
    I would look at your wife (by the way, ask her opinions) or at yourself, after seven (!) Births.

    Well done woman - 5!) And the answer to the situation is quite adequate.
  46. kiparis
    kiparis 29 September 2014 17: 35
    0
    Frau Merkel, in my opinion, tactfully warned. that he doesn’t want to fight for lamb interests. Nothing!