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Primakov: United States spawned Frankenstein


Yevgeny Primakov is the former head of the Russian foreign intelligence service, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the government, a man who once represented a "big treaty" between Russia and Ukraine in the Duma and gave political journalism more than one year. According to him, restraint in the external situation in Ukraine should be shown by everyone: the “sofa generals” who called for the introduction of the Russian army into Ukraine, and even front-line correspondents who cannot help but empathize with the sufferings of people. Evgeny Maksimovich told about this in an interview with Vesti on Saturday.

“A dual complex situation has arisen. I understand that many of the events that took place forced us to talk about them loudly,” Yevgeny Primakov notes.

- This is understandable, because correspondents see the suffering of people with their own eyes.

- It is absolutely clear, but at the same time it is necessary to make it thinner, to think about how it affects, including our country.

- You once stressed that the main danger was the military involvement of Russia in the events in the south-east of Ukraine, which would have caused the Americans to develop world politics in a completely different way.

“That's right, because after the collapse of the Soviet Union, centrifugal processes began in the North Atlantic Union.

- America - by itself, Europe - too?

- The position of Europe was very different, to the extent that not all European countries supported the invasion of the United States into Iraq. And it is very worried about the United States. Bush Junior, for example, was reproached for losing his European allies. It seems to me that the policy of the United States in Ukraine was largely based on the desire to again subjugate Europe. To some extent, it was possible. It can not be denied. If we introduced regular units to Ukraine, Europe would be under the United States for the whole next century.

- That is, having carried out a military operation, we would have played a giveaway with the Americans?

- Of course. They wanted it, they wanted this turn of events.

- What kind of extremist groups have we not watched over the past 30-40 years. Why, nevertheless, the emergence of a new "project" - the "Islamic state" - makes you ring the bells?

- Al-Qaida, for example, is a very dangerous structure. I will not delve into the role of the United States, which ...

- spawned frankenstein?

- Yes.

- Fought with the Soviet forces in Afghanistan, and this group has healed its life.

- The structure was very dangerous, but it did not pretend to seize a significant part of some states and establish a caliphate there. And now we are witnessing a victorious procession of the "Islamic State". And the winners are loved, they are drawn to them. No wonder the Europeans, the United States, and Australia sounded the alarm. Because a lot of people are leaving from different countries who are starting to join this movement.

- They are coming from Russia too.

- Yes. This is very dangerous, because the number of this organization is growing rapidly. Even the CIA recognized that in the first three months its number had tripled. Now has up to 50 thousands, and this is not the limit.

- They are very efficient. Northern Iraq is already under their control, Syria.

- The group is efficient not only against the background of the Iraqi army - it is generally efficient. She captured a lot weapons: armored personnel carriers, Tanksartillery.

- The most dangerous, - oil fields are captured, and now they have their own source of income.

- Oil fields, including in Syria. They are financially self-sufficient. In addition, they sell oil to shadow traders. They also captured part of the Central Bank.

- And about this in the news less was said.

- When they took Mosul.

- Is there part of the gold currency reserves?

- Yes, they captured very significant amounts. And now they are self-sufficient. This has never happened before. Terrorist organizations have always depended on someone. And they at this stage do not depend on anyone.

- Against this background, God himself orders to proceed from the understanding of common threats, from what is commonly called the civilized world, to unite and create a united front against this at the UN site. But instead, there are proposals, in particular, of Polish President Komarovsky, to exclude Russia from the UN Security Council. How does one connect to the other?

- Does not connect. You never know what they say! What could be without Russia? If Russia began to put sticks in the wheels of the antiterrorist struggle in the Middle East - is this a purely hypothetical situation - would anything have happened? Of course not! Russia can not do without. But what really bothers us? It is disturbing that they will extend the concept of "international terrorism" to groups that they call "terrorist" and which are called terrorist in their interests, but in fact, they do not possess such qualities. We are also concerned when the United States assumes responsibility - without the decision of the Security Council - to bomb Syrian territory.

- The Americans say in the military doctrine that they reserve the right to unilateral actions.

- They appropriated this right. This is not international law. After they were convinced that their resolutions could not pass through the Security Council, especially after we felt that we were deceived in Libya, they began to bypass the Security Council.

- There is one very subtle point. From the lips of the Russian representatives, it was thought that the United States and France would unilaterally strike the positions of Islamists, even if they understood the threat from the Islamic State, would be a violation of international law. The blows began, the Americans refer to the request of the Iraqi government. But there was no resolution of the Security Council as it was. She appeared, but she is a little about something else. And here comes the topic of Syria, because it turns out that the Americans informed the Syrians that they would strike, and the Syrians, contrary to expectations, did not protest, although this is, of course, a violation of their sovereignty. You know the Syrians well.

- They protested, but weakly. This is another indicator of the nearness of American politics and position. Now, true allies in the fight against the “Islamic State” could be Iran and Syria, which, of course, adhere to their own interests. And they do not go for it, they push them aside, they strive again to preserve some kind of opposition.

- Position against Bashar Assad?

- If Assad would not exist, the Islamic State would come to power instead.

“Maybe it is beneficial for the Americans to maintain such unruly chaos.” Is there such a theory?

“Out of the chaos, organizations such as the Islamic State can arise.”

- In one of your articles we are talking about Ukraine. You clearly speak with conviction of Yanukovych, saying that he is a man who tried to milk two queens - the European Union and Russia. On the other hand, the geographical position of Ukraine, perhaps, obliges it to do. In the most peaceful period of the Ukrainian storiesas it now turns out, it was the Kuchma presidency, who very successfully milked two queens, the Ukrainian authorities, unfortunately, got themselves involved in a situation when they had to make a choice, either with those or with these. Has this become a tragic mistake of the Ukrainian authorities?

- I disagree with you in the sense that Ukraine had a choice, either with those or with these. We have never been against Ukraine deciding issues related to its geographic location. We talked only about that, joining the Association with the European Union, an unfavorable situation will be created for us, which hurts our interests, and we will take countermeasures. It was about this that was talked about, and not about making choices about who they want to be with.

“But now they are pushing themselves into this business.” The last "task" of Petro Poroshenko - to work out the question of the rejection of non-aligned status. This is just a turn in one direction, instead of being the neutral side in the middle.

- From the application to the decision a lot of time will pass.

- And Obama did not give them the status of a privileged partner.

- Why did I also speak about Yanukovych? Because when Kuchma was not like this. Yanukovych kept hanging noodles on our ears all the time. It is not befitting a politician.

- They say that at the sunset of his power, he told his entourage: "Let's go to the one who will give more money."

- Well, here you are. I believe that our small blunder was that we did not feel that at the beginning on the Maidan there were sentiments against the corruption regime, and then, like a phoenix, some organizations were revived, which began to shout, took arms in their hands. By chance, they could not appear, they were prepared somewhere. But I would divide those who participated in the Maidan and opposed the corrupt nature of the regime, and those who were already romping for demanding changes to everyone and everything.

- Yevgeny Maksimovich, you are an extremely cautious and prudent person, and you end up with your article in Rossiyskaya Gazeta in Ukraine with the words “time will tell”. It is clear that now it is very difficult to predict anything, however, do you think the settlement of the current situation is the subject of the Russian-Ukrainian-European agreements or the Russian-American dialogue over Ukraine? What could be the formula?

- The main thing here is Russian-American relations. Until. In the future, perhaps, Ukraine, when there will be a steady state leadership, truly covering the whole country or a significant part of it. Then we can talk about the fact that Ukraine can show some kind of independence. And now the United States is in command of both Ukraine and Europe.

- You mentioned the concept of "the power of all Ukraine." Recently, Petro Poroshenko gave a big press conference in Kiev and unexpectedly for many said: "What is the law on the special status of the southeast? No, no! This is also a special status for self-government." Many thought that thus Poroshenko moved to the "war party". For others, this is evidence that Poroshenko should act with an eye to that very “party of war” in Ukraine and say such things, but, nevertheless, the draft law on self-government in the south-east is itself a step forward. What do you think would be a reasonable acceptable status for these territories?

“From the very beginning, these territories asked for federalization.” Not more. And if then the Kiev authorities went for it, there would not be all this.

- And they would not try to repeal the law on languages.

- Yes. The president did not sign it - it is the parliament that passed this law. You refer to my article, in which I wanted to emphasize there, that Russia never demanded the separation of the southeast from Ukraine, you will not find it anywhere. I think that this did not appear in closed negotiations. The situation worsened after blood was shed, as civilians began to die. Now it is difficult to find some way out of the situation. I think you can agree on the basis of the element of federalization. But "federalization" is an extended concept. In the world, for example, there is a confederation. What, in Switzerland, each canton has a state structure, makes independent decisions in foreign policy? It is not, of course. There are both hard federalization and soft. Searches must be in this direction.

- As evidenced by the experience of recent months, sometimes, when the situation enters the mainstream of sanity, there can be very dramatic and unexpected turns. Of course, one of these turns was the collapse of the Malaysian liner over Eastern Ukraine. There are a lot of versions about what happened. Unfortunately, there are no clear answers from the international commission. The Malaysian authorities again complained that they could not gain access to the crash area. It is clear that you need to wait for technical expertise and so on. However, how do you think that could happen there?

“Those who closely follow the reaction of the West to these events, could have noticed that Ukraine at one moment disappeared from the front pages of newspapers.”

- In July, there was Hamas, Gaza Strip ...

- Yes, and Ukraine pushed somewhere. This could not like very much the individual groups in Kiev. I don't think it came from top management. There is in fact a heterogeneous guide. And again attracted attention after this aircraft was shot down. I think this version also has the right to exist.

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  1. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 29 September 2014 05: 58
    Primakov is the fox. For example, a couple of months ago he spoke out against Russian military intervention in Ukraine under absolutely ridiculous reasons. That is, in fact, it works to drain. And chatting ... chatting aren't bags tossing and turning.
    1. Renat
      Renat 29 September 2014 06: 22
      The old school of the almighty KGB. What else can you say.
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      2. Eragon
        Eragon 29 September 2014 07: 56
        Quote: Renat
        The old school of the almighty KGB. What else can you say.

        I'll tell you. You had to be smart and do the right thing when Russia was "sawed" together with Boriskaya, but it was laid under the West. There are a lot of them, such clever people. Gorbachevs, Primakovs ... Disgusting. It was necessary at one time not to be a mediocre prime minister, but to be engaged in his direct work - foreign intelligence. You look, there would be no ISIS now, no problems with Ukraine.
        1. Knizhnik
          Knizhnik 29 September 2014 11: 55
          Primakov is a tough anti-Westerner, he is the last one who could be accused of "falling under the West." He generally did not suit the West in any way, since under him, an independent foreign policy began, besides, he was also friends with some (unfortunately) already deceased leaders of the Arab leaders. In March, he defiantly returned half way on his way to Washington, canceling his official visit after the news of the beginning of the bombing of Yugoslavia. He was dismissed - either he didn't get along with the BNE, or it was a condition of the United States.
        2. Ober.K
          Ober.K 29 September 2014 18: 21
          Primakov can and should be respected and not at all because of age!
          At a time when the United States and a company of puppets began to destroy Yugoslavia and, in particular, bomb Belgrade, Primakov (being the Prime Minister of Russia) was one of the few who plucked up the courage to loudly declare this lawlessness !!! In addition to the words, there was a sharp demarche - he turned the plane in which he flew to negotiations (if my memory serves me to New York) thereby "loudly slamming the door" making it clear to the whole world that there are proud and courageous people in Russia. Russia will get stronger and make you reckon with!
          PS The KGB School was one of the best schools in the world. It is for this reason that Yeltsin disbanded this structure in the first place. And his protege Bakatin "leaked" her entire agent network and much more to the west. This should not be forgotten.
      3. jovanni
        jovanni 29 September 2014 08: 28
        Not so omnipotent. Otherwise, we would have lived in another country, and would not have had this mess ...
    2. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 29 September 2014 06: 54
      How careful he is !!! Therefore, GB didn’t drive him into power. Eugene Maximovich, decide what.
    3. Very old
      Very old 29 September 2014 06: 56
      [quote = Kibalchish] Primakov - he is still a fox ... And to chat ... to chat not toss the bags.

      You just quoted Oleg under the nickname "professor" (by the way, he hasn't been seen on the forum for a long time) - but that was for another reason

      The old LIS is a sober head, clear thoughts. But Russia really doesn’t need a war for war
      Someone really wanted to represent Russia as an aggressor did not work
      But the West, very civilian, once again showed its mug, showed who really manages the EU, who twists it, also really, not from the Brussels office ...
    4. Buryi
      Buryi 29 September 2014 10: 47
      Primakov - Head! And God grant him the strength to work and stay up to date. His advice (not chatter) is "expensive"! And by the way, you may not know, his opinion on domestic and foreign policy issues is constantly being asked in "the office itself."

      ... That is, in fact, it works to drain ...

      Drain? What or whom? Maybe, again, you don’t know something, for example this

      The situation is really very difficult ... the right to make a mistake, for those who make decisions in our country today, we will say no!
  2. 89067359490
    89067359490 29 September 2014 05: 59
    He always respected Yevgeny Maksimovich with great respect. Each of his words is worth a dozen words of so many other politicians.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 29 September 2014 06: 35
      But not me. He is still one of the "foremen of perestroika" of the Gorbachev flood, and that says it all.
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 29 September 2014 06: 08
    Primakov: United States spawned Frankenstein

    If ISIS is a monster then what then gave birth to him ... probably the very evil from the underworld.
    The only way I can consider the CIA, the US State Department.
    Everywhere and wherever these structures stick their nose, war and chaos arise. People begin to perish by the thousands and thousands of victims.
    The bloody path paves the way for the United States to achieve its goal.

    All this reminds me the devil crawled out of the underworld to get enough human blood.

    Primakov, as a professional intelligence officer, gives accurate assessments of this event.
    And I don’t see anything good in the world ... there will be no peace ... as long as US ambitions dominate human morality.
    1. asar
      asar 29 September 2014 07: 42
      The United States is Evil from the Underworld! Maybe harsh ?! But I think that's right!
      And for some reason I believe the words of Primakov EM!
  4. the polar
    the polar 29 September 2014 06: 31
    In Kharkov, a monument to Lenin was demolished.
    At the same time, a dill in a dill broke his eye, another falling from the pedestal broke his spine, the third just fell headfirst, the Muscovite was not injured, but the dill does not breathe.
    1 monument = three dill. Lenin, as always, won.
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 29 September 2014 06: 44
      Quote: Polar
      1 monument = three dill. Lenin, as always, won.

      Grandfather Lenin began to take revenge.
    2. Very old
      Very old 29 September 2014 06: 59
      In your post, I especially liked: "MOSCOW" -can be accidentally, or intentionally ...
      But YOU are right - there are NO BRAINS
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 29 September 2014 06: 41
    1 monument = three dill. Lenin, as always, won.

    This Ilyich from the other world sent proletarian greetings to the Nazis of UKRAINE ... smile the right path is comrade.
  6. BoBkaTyumen
    BoBkaTyumen 29 September 2014 06: 53
    Primakov: United States spawned Frankenstein

    The pig donkey will not give birth. The main world terrorist can produce only terrorists in the world.
    1. asar
      asar 29 September 2014 07: 52
      A pig can only give birth to a pig! You can't argue against nature! Yankees! You are not eagles, you are "corpse eaters" !!!
  7. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 29 September 2014 07: 05
    Primakov, of course, is an authoritative person, but all these perestroika from the time of Humpbacked one field are a berry and they are all guilty of the destruction of the USSR, and they have no petition for this.
  8. sv68
    sv68 29 September 2014 07: 13
    here’s a diplomat of the Soviet tempering — not a single extra word — you need to draw answers out of it — as if a person were hinting to a correspondent — guess yourself ... am
  9. Lyton
    Lyton 29 September 2014 07: 32
    Yeah, Yevgeny Maksimovich is a cautious fox, he still has something left of the SVR, all answers are tactfully evasive and without statements at some points.
  10. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 29 September 2014 07: 34
    Maybe he is certainly a diplomat, but for me this notorious geyropa is already under the states, even without our introduction to dill.
  11. fktrcfylhn61
    fktrcfylhn61 29 September 2014 07: 58
    - That is, having carried out a military operation, we would have played a giveaway with the Americans?

    - Of course. They wanted it, they wanted this turn of events.

    The political corpse of the collapsed state gives advice in favor of amers !!!
    1. asar
      asar 29 September 2014 09: 12
      Not anonymous! I give you a minus! There was a "collapsed" state! It was so!
      But why did they "bite us hard" ?! Have you ever thought about that ?!
      Just RUSSIA GETS UP! Stands up! And it infuriates many !!!
      Well, "hr.e.n. with you! Go on and on!
      AND RUSSIA WAS, IS AND WILL BE! You, Geyropians, prepare the bibs! Soon it will be from you - "sea of ​​snot, saliva ..." !!!
      Russia is a great country!
      And it’s not for you to judge or argue about OUR FUTURE! Decide for yourself!
      And at stake is the BRICS-SCO summit in Ufa! Here we will "solve" everything!
      No need to "build" out of yourself "looking" on the Earth! (Sorry, members of the forum, for such a SYMBOL! but it seems that "Opponents" do not understand it differently!)
  12. asar
    asar 29 September 2014 08: 01
    And yet - Thank you, Evgeny Maksimovich! Concisely! Short! Clear!
    And with your answers you gave us a "task" - "think, comrade officers from the military, draw conclusions! (Something like this, Evgeny Maksimovich ?!)
  13. tokens2
    tokens2 29 September 2014 08: 02
    Evgeny Maksimovich ... this is heavy artillery.
    We are waiting for "concern" and "enlightenment" in the heads of Western politicians.
    And not only Western.
    1. asar
      asar 29 September 2014 08: 46
      P (saka) "resting" after Evgeny Maksimovich and the interview with Lavrov S.V.!
      There is simply nothing to say, everything has already been said - "not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!"
      Bravo to our diplomats and SVR employees!
      And yet, maybe not the topic -
      With the beginning of the Emergency Committee, “all day on August 19, he defiantly played tennis” [3]. From August 22 to August 23, 1991 he headed the KGB of the USSR. Since September 30, 1991 - retired.

      This is about Shebarshin L.V. The real one was Man!
      Head of Foreign Intelligence of the USSR (from 06.02.1989/22.09.1991/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX
      Evgeni Maksimovich knew him and was at the funeral at the Troekurovsky cemetery!
      Land down to the scout general!
  14. Aleksander
    Aleksander 29 September 2014 10: 01
    The law banning the Russian was signed by Turchinov as chairman of the Rada and was not signed by Turchinov as acting the president. Here's a coramble.
  15. Breard
    Breard 29 September 2014 10: 20
    Yes ... great man! Evgeny Maksimovich!
  16. Aleksander
    Aleksander 29 September 2014 12: 10
    If we introduced regular units to Ukraine, Europe would have been under the United States for the whole next century.

    . Not entered. And what is Europe not under the USA? Moreover, three days ago, Obama called on the whole world to unite against Russia. And sanctions were imposed after the Minsk conspiracy. That is, received in full. And where are the pros?
  17. 00105042
    00105042 29 September 2014 14: 43
    not quite the topic, but the literary character Victor Frankenstein is not a monster, he is a scientist and no one created him. And he really created the Creature, in fact, harmless, nameless and lonely. A very common mistake. And one more thing, Al- Kayeda is more a virtual organization than a real terrorist one. The CIA kindly carried out attacks for them, could not even find the head of a suitable villain for the role and the role of bin Laden was played by a variety of right-handed actors, left-handed people, the height and size of the beard also changed rapidly. Even just the first remembrance of Al-Qaeda appeared on the ballot by the CIA in 1996, and created it in supposedly already bearded 86th year.
  18. Arkan
    Arkan 29 September 2014 20: 54
    - Yes, and Ukraine pushed somewhere. This could not like very much the individual groups in Kiev. I don't think it came from top management. There is in fact a heterogeneous guide. And again attracted attention after this aircraft was shot down. I think this version also has the right to exist.

    Scout! Interesting version.
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  20. Viktor Kudinov
    Viktor Kudinov 30 September 2014 04: 53
    In politics, you cannot behave like an elephant in a china shop. Here is a brain fight. Evgeny Maksimovich, of course, does not finish much, he is silent about much. And he does it right - one careless word can blow up the world.