GLONASS is dependent on foreign components

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The global navigation satellite system (GLONASS) began to be developed back in the USSR on the order of the country's defense ministry. The satellites of this system are put into orbit from October 12 of 1982 of the year. For the first time, the system was put into operation on September 24 1993, 12 satellites were deployed in orbit. The strength of the satellite - 24 satellite - was achieved by 1995 year, when 25 spacecraft (s) were in orbit. Subsequently, due to the difficult economic situation in the country, the number of the group deployed in space steadily declined, reaching a minimum in the 6 spacecraft in the 2001 year. After that, the program received a second birth. The completion of the deployment of the GLONASS satellite constellation to its full strength again ended in 2010.

GLONASS is rightfully recognized as one of the most important Russian achievements in space. Today it is one of two operating global positioning systems. Only the USA and Russia have such systems. The Chinese Beidou system currently operates as a regional positioning system. The system is based on 24 constantly working in satellite orbit (excluding backup spacecraft). The GLONASS system is designed for operational navigation and temporal support of an unlimited number of land, air and sea-based users. At the same time, access to civilian signals of the system is provided to both Russian and foreign consumers at no cost, without any restrictions.

“Currently, 28 satellites are in orbit: 24 operating GLONASS satellites, 2 operating in test mode and 2 more spare satellites in the orbital reserve,” said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin at a recent government meeting. Stressing that Russia is currently working to build a second-generation GLONASS-K satellite. According to Rogozin, the enterprise “Reshetnev Information Satellite Systems”, located in Krasnoyarsk, is now working on calibrating the satellite signal so that by the 2020 year, as planned, to reach the resolution of the GLONASS system at the level of no more than 60 see Currently this figure is 2,8 m.



The main problem that needs to be solved is the import substitution of the element base used to create navigation satellites. This will increase the security of the entire system. At the same time, today Russia is not able to abandon foreign components when launching GLONASS navigation satellites. This is recognized by the main developer of the spacecraft - the enterprise "Russian Space Systems" (RCS). Experts warn that if the situation with sanctions develops in a negative way, this may lead to a “termination of the grouping” of satellite data. On Thursday, 18 of September, Grigory Stupak, who holds the post of deputy general director of the RKS company, noted that import substitution, of course, will be associated with the correction of design documentation. At the same time, to abandon all foreign-made products in some cases, Russia is not ready.

According to him, within a few years, all access channels to good components can be blocked, and the hope that someone else will start supplying them is very small. According to Grigory Stupak, the main payload for domestic GLONASS-M satellites and promising GLONASS-K contains the elemental base of both Russian and foreign production. At the same time, in the GLONASS-M satellites, the filling (on-board equipment) is predominantly Russian. At present, only one GLONASS-K is in the space group, which is undergoing a series of flight tests. The satellite was put into orbit in February 2011 of the year.

At the same time, Igor Komarov, who occupies the post of the head of the Ordinary and Regional Complex Control Committee, said that the Russian Federation would place orders for the production of microelectronics for rocket and space technology in the People's Republic of China, South Korea, and other Asian countries under the conditions of existing Western sanctions. At the same time, information appeared that our country was in talks with Beijing. Negotiations are underway with the Chinese Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC) and the Chinese Electronic Technology Corporation (CETC) to jointly develop technologies that will combine the capabilities of the Russian GLONASS system and the Chinese Beidou.



Problems with components

Back in May, 2014, the head of the RCS, Gennady Raikunov, said that the United States did not issue Russia a license to ship components to our country for assembling and launching satellites, which are currently in the assembly stage. Russia has not received electronic component bases and integrated circuits. Commenting on this information, the head of the Moscow Space Club, Ivan Moiseyev, stressed that the decision to use foreign components in the GLONASS satellites was natural enough, since "they are cheaper and better." “But as soon as such permission was received, the Russian Federation has somewhat overdone it, as a result, the program is completely dependent on foreign-made components. The share of foreign components has become very large, ”said Ivan Moiseyev in his interview with the newspaper“ Vzglyad ”.

According to Moiseyev, in the current situation we can only hope that the sanctions imposed by the West will come into force not with the speed with which they were announced. At the same time, according to him, within a few years, all channels to good foreign components can be blocked, and hopes that someone else will put them are small. Those components, which are manufactured by China, it most often produces under licenses that are compiled very well. They are detailed contracts that take into account all possible overlays. The United States can simply point out those clauses in issued licenses that prohibit the transfer of manufactured components to other states under certain conditions. In the event that the situation with sanctions will develop in a negative way, the states that produce the necessary equipment under a license can choose what is more profitable for them - the continuation of cooperation with the United States or the sale of products in the Russian Federation.

The transition to self-sufficiency is a very lengthy process. Here it is important to take into account the Russian bureaucracy, which alone can take several years. Also, it will take time to conduct comprehensive testing of products, changes in existing regulations. But it is necessary to move in this direction, since Russia has a very high dependence on other states in this matter, the expert believes.



Moreover, if the situation goes according to a negative scenario, then, according to Moiseyev, this could lead to “the termination of the satellite constellation”. The satellites will not start pouring right now, this will happen as their resource is developed, in the future, in about 5 years. At the same time, there is some stock of components in Russia, that is, this process will not happen immediately, but strategically such a problem and challenge exists for Russian industry and science.

According to Ivan Moiseev, the work in this direction should be started by checking which components of Russia are really needed, and without which we can completely do. “We need a high-quality inventory, now we have a big redundancy in importing companies. Some purchases were not economically justified, regardless of the prevailing foreign policy situation, it is necessary to understand how the components get to Russia, who pays for them here, ”says Moses.

At the same time, at the end of August 2014, Alexander Muravyov, who is the chief designer of navigation equipment for the GLONASS system consumers, said that the foreign microelectronics in the project could be replaced with Russian already in 2016, and the domestic industry is ready for import-replacing Western microelectronic technologies. According to him, in Russia there are prerequisites for overcoming this dependence. If we start the implementation of the import substitution program today, the result can be obtained by the 2016 year. Ants noted that the board of chief designers of consumer navigation equipment and leading manufacturers of domestic microelectronics are ready for this.



At the same time, Ivan Moiseev, in an interview with Vzglyadu, called Muravyev’s opinion “optimistic”, but acknowledged that the existing requirements are much lower for ground equipment, which the chief designer had in mind. There is another control system there, while traditionally, only the most reliable and stable equipment is installed on the spacecraft. According to the classification used in the USA, it is space or military. “It is very difficult to produce the necessary chip from scratch, and it is even more difficult to make it resistant to cosmic radiation,” the Russian expert noted.

GLONASS Development

In the near future, the Russian GLONASS satellite system should be replenished with new spacecraft, as well as new ground measuring stations, which will be located outside our country. A lot was said about the prospects for the development of the system at the last IV International School on Satellite Navigation. All participants of this scientific event stressed the importance of developing the navigation system, which is an important element of the Russian security system, especially in light of the development of such systems abroad: Galileo - EU, BeiDou - Compass - China, IRNSS - India and QZSS - Japan.

The architecture of the Russian global positioning system assumes that the 24 satellite must be in orbit constantly at an equal distance from each other, moving in the 3-x orbital planes (8 devices in each plane) at an altitude of approximately 20 thousands of kilometers above the surface of the planet. Such a rigid structure, according to Grigoriy Stupak, together with the use of ground stations allows predicting the location of each spacecraft for any period of time, and also provides the global principle of this system, the accuracy and timeliness of information transfer.



At present, the Russian grouping consists of the GLONASS-M satellite, the service life of which does not exceed 7 years. In February, the first GLONASS-K spacecraft, which has been in orbit for 2011 years, was launched into space 10 of the year. According to Stupak, in 2014, another such satellite is planned to be sent into space. In addition to the increased service life, GLONASS-K devices have another advantage - they are manufactured on the basis of an unpressurized platform, which allows to avoid many problems associated with the possible depressurization of spacecraft. Also, these satellites emit a signal in the new L3 frequency range, unlike previous devices operating only in "their" frequency ranges (L2 or L1).

According to Stupak, the GLONASS system currently consists of 19 ground measuring stations, 3 of such stations are located outside Russia - in Brazil and Antarctica. Soon another station will have to appear in Belarus, two stations in Kazakhstan, three stations in the PRC. At the same time, in exchange, China will build three of its stations on the territory of our country. In total, it is planned to deploy around the 40-50 measuring stations abroad - in Africa, South America, Asia, and also, possibly, in Alaska.

Today it is the GLONASS system - the leader of accurate satellite navigation in high latitudes. In order to “fill in” the existing gaps in the equatorial zone of the Earth, it is planned to increase the size of the satellite constellation to 30 KA (initially, the project of the system did not envisage this). For this, it is necessary to increase the number of orbital planes along which Russian satellites will move. At the same time, maintaining the existing GLONASS structure with increasing number of spacecraft is not an easy task.

Information sources:
http://www.vz.ru/society/2014/9/18/700412.html
http://www.nkj.ru/news/24917
http://expert.ru/2014/08/19/glonass
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  1. +3
    29 September 2014 09: 28
    Already reached the space industry can not do without imported components.
    1. +5
      29 September 2014 09: 59
      For a long time, the USSR did not manage to create long-lived satellites - this is a purely Western technology, which is implemented at GLONASS. By itself, it draws the entire elementary base, the production of which there is even nowhere to master. And it's the little things ...

      You can make your own on the basis of the Soviet reserve of production (if they are not yet all irrevocably), but these are short-lived satellites and the entire GLONASS will come out entirely of Rhodium for money. What to put an end to the system. For all satellites will have to be replaced every 3 of the year ...
  2. +8
    29 September 2014 09: 30
    To the great regret, this topic, but you need to call a spade a spade, namely our catastrophic lag in the electronic database, will pop up repeatedly. How do I personally see a way out of this situation? Everything is very simple, this is industrial espionage, there is no need to turn away from it with a sour mine, the whole world is engaged in this. And to create their own production facilities, keeping up with advanced research, otherwise nothing! Enough for high school to produce lawyers and managers, it's time to teach engineers!
    PS Silicon Valley said it was on the verge of creating quantum processors. Imagine the abyss of our lag ...
    1. +3
      29 September 2014 09: 37
      Silicon Valley said it is on the verge of creating quantum processors. Imagine the abyss of our lag ...

      That's how he creates, and we will grieve. And now, feet in hand and go on to master the release of their electronics.
      1. +4
        29 September 2014 10: 08
        Even before the sanction with the scandal, Angstrom bought the used AMD line, which they were going to hand over for processing. Production has not yet been launched; construction and installation are underway - http://www.angstrem-t.com

        This is one enterprise throughout Russia capable of making 90nm chips by technology. Your video card or processor 22 or 40 nm technology. This is just for comparison.

        Although 90nm is also coming, and not particularly losing in all sorts of specialized ones, but the general abyss of development is as follows.

        In addition, the architecture.

        In general, in this matter we must go to China. Here they are specialists in how to build out of nothing systems that do not lose to Western ones. And they already began to produce production lines themselves, at 2 generations are more modern than they bought from AMD.

        Here's a movie last year on the topic, by the way:
        1. +2
          29 September 2014 22: 22
          This is one enterprise throughout Russia capable of making 90nm chips by technology. Your video card or processor 22 or 40 nm technology. This is just for comparison.

          Perhaps I am confusing something, but Angstrem makes microcircuits for the military and space. So it is not entirely correct to compare its products with the filling of a home computer: the excessive "subtlety" of the technical process in conditions of intense ionizing radiation can become a problem.
          But, in general, of course, yes, we are lagging behind the West epically ...

          In general, in this matter we must go to China.

          As a temporary solution, it will do. But in the distant future, we simply change the idea of ​​soap: now we are dependent on the USA for our comrades, we will be on China. We must somehow develop our own.

          Alas, the current leadership of our country considers it sufficient to make loud statements from time to time, saying that we’ll catch up and overtake. But ordinary people are happily waving: Russia is rising from its knees! And it’s on the side that soon we’ll even forget how to sew pants, we will only have to buy from the same Chinese. Sadness, sadness ...
        2. 0
          30 September 2014 06: 25
          Quote: donavi49
          Even before the sanction with the scandal, Angstrom bought the used AMD line, which they were going to hand over for processing.

          I wonder what kind of reliability will be on the chips released on the BUS installation, which they were going to put into scrap?
        3. +2
          30 September 2014 07: 14
          This is one enterprise throughout Russia capable of making 90nm chips technology


          I’ll probably tell you a big secret, but all over the world there are only 10-15 factories that make chips according to technological standards of less than 100 nm. In addition, there are technologies for applying thin-film structures in the Russian Federation. Lithographs of our own production with a resolution of 28-30 nm have been created and are being tested. Those. in the laboratory, we are quite able to rivet microchips comparable to those. process with foreign analogues. The main problem is mass production. Everything is sad here. 1: Profitability - the production of chips from the point of view of the economy is a very costly, risky business and therefore, in order for it to become at least not unprofitable, a large series is needed, and in order to be profitable - a huge one. The chip market has been divided for a long time and you can only enter it by offering just an ultra next gene, and if you offer an analog, then you can never compete in price with industry giants that have been on the market for 20-30 years. And the small series for the military will not move the industry in any way 2: Related technologies - the creation of special materials for processing, coating of plates, kinematics of ultra-precise positioning for cutting and processing, the cutting and processing tools themselves, etc. - these are all separate high-precision and costly production. And in order for these productions to be unprofitable, we need a large series of chip production (vicious circle smile ) Therefore, foreign companies and go ahead ... the same Texas Instruments, say, buys consumables somewhere in Europe and is not worried about its own factory. In principle, I believe that no country has a complete final chip production cycle. How to bridge this abyss ...

          This is one enterprise throughout Russia capable of making 90nm chips with technology.


          This factory, through small investments, is quite capable of producing 65 nm.

          In general, in this matter we must go to China.


          They bought the necessary equipment by hook or by crook, but they are on the same level with us in high-precision engineering, not us, nor they have practically nothing to offer each other in this matter. I would still turn my eyes to South Korea ... more promising smile
          1. 0
            30 September 2014 10: 53
            I’ll probably tell you a big secret, but all over the world there are only 10-15 factories that make chips according to technological standards of less than 100 nm.


            A few dozen, I think. Here is a far from complete list:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants
            1. 0
              30 September 2014 13: 19
              Firstly, we filter out from this list everything that is more than 100 nm. We get 54 lines. Secondly, we group by company - factory and get my 10-15 companies. It is clear that the same Intel industrial sites may have 100 units, but this is all one big factory and this company is an exception to the rule. She has all branches produce chips for those processes less than 100 nm. No need to give branches as independent units with at least centralized funding and access to technology. For other companies, everything is more modest for each of 1-2 branches producing something less than 100 nm.
      2. 0
        30 September 2014 06: 21
        Quote: Wedmak
        And now, feet in hand and go on to master the release of their electronics.

        Okay, tomorrow we’ll start.
    2. +2
      29 September 2014 12: 33
      Quote: edeligor
      PS Silicon Valley said it was on the verge of creating quantum processors. Imagine the abyss of our lag ...

      Interestingly, what did we manage to create in Skolkovo over the years? recourse
      1. timer
        +1
        29 September 2014 20: 39
        They are actively mastering the budget, to whom they managed to steal how much and still succeed. Skolkovo IS THE SAME CHIMERA AS A REDDING GOAT!
      2. +1
        30 September 2014 06: 28
        Quote: Manul
        Interestingly, what did we manage to create in Skolkovo over the years?

        "yes, it would be interesting to hear what the head of the transport department has to say ..." - M. Zhvanetsky
      3. 0
        2 October 2014 07: 02
        LPI and RQC are closely involved in this topic, models and prototypes of a quantum solid-state processor based on diamond have been created.
    3. timer
      +1
      29 September 2014 20: 36
      Our home-grown bureaucrats-managers do not need modern industrial power. IM GENERALLY A STRONG RUSSIA DOESN'T NEED !! Is it really not clear? Someone has already robbed someone. Our guarantee of stability covers Puten. In those countries where the PEOPLE LEADER is at the head with a team of professionals and PATRIOTS OF HIS HOMELAND, progress and develop go by leaps and bounds.
      1. +1
        30 September 2014 06: 33
        Quote: timer
        .In those countries where the PEOPLE LEADER is at the head with a team of professionals and PATRIOTS OF THEIR HOMELAND, progress and develop go by leaps and bounds.

        Do you mean "Asian Tigers"?

        “Asian tigers” are called South Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong and Taiwan - countries that have demonstrated a real economic miracle since the early 1960s. Later, Malaysia joined them. "Asian tigers" were able in several decades to turn from backward countries to the advanced countries of Asia.
    4. 0
      30 September 2014 00: 57
      The United States has shit well with us, with such a structural regime that can be described as follows - an incomprehensible director sits whose main goal is to rip off money by any means, so hence the fear of losing his place and the consequence of gripping the deputy, and he hammers down, from the whole state, one thinking engineer who is amazed at the dibilism of the leadership every day ... at a shop or a plant it is even easier there 10 stand watching how one works, how another group of supervisors passes, so those 10 start doing something, therefore it turns out - "non-special production", many say that they don’t take a pull for a good position, so this is from the same opera ... the conclusions suggest themselves, and this is despite the paper bureaucracy
  3. +2
    29 September 2014 10: 20
    It would be a desire to do everything. But gentlemen on whom it depends measure their desires not for the benefit of the motherland, but whether they will have loot.
    1. +5
      29 September 2014 11: 48
      You're right. The meaning of staying in power is the personal enrichment of officials and their families. There is nothing sacred in them, only the dollars for which they teach their children abroad, buy real estate, etc.
  4. 0
    29 September 2014 10: 26
    Quote: donavi49
    In general, in this matter we must go to China. Here they are specialists in how to build out of nothing systems that do not lose to Western ones. And they already began to produce production lines themselves, at 2 generations are more modern than they bought from AMD.


    There is such a thing as a license agreement, what the Chinese are doing is not they who invented everything themselves, but rather on the basis of what they sold under the license, and I bet it says that you can’t transfer technology to a third party
  5. +5
    29 September 2014 11: 04
    In general, in this matter we must go to China. Here they are specialists in how to build out of nothing systems that do not lose to Western ones. And they already began to produce production lines themselves, at 2 generations are more modern than they bought from AMD.

    Perhaps the Chinese are doing quite well with the element base for commercial electronics. However, I strongly suspect that they have big problems with the components of the "Space" and "Military" standards.
  6. +2
    29 September 2014 11: 20
    or maybe make a JERK in a LIVING and thinking MATTER ... in a STUPID IRON?
    It is necessary that the microchips think and not strictly execute!
    so I think they’ll catch up late .. I NEED TO DO IT THERE IS NOT THERE! But to work and perform the same functions!
  7. Fast
    +2
    29 September 2014 12: 56
    The Soviet Union would have all this for a long time. But now an urgent mobilization breakthrough of state resources is required to create a micro-vacuum element base that is not afraid of any harsh radiation, even an X-ray bomb, space, rocket and aviation equipment, this whole military warrior is for a long time, the demand is endless, it will pay off millions of times. Why invent something that will become obsolete tomorrow, especially since it costs no less. We have enthusiastic specialists.
    http://www.dailytechinfo.org/electronics/3668-nazad-v-buduschee-elektronnye-vaku

    umnye-lampy-mogut-stat-buduschim-vychislitelnoy-tehniki.html
  8. Roshchin
    +5
    29 September 2014 12: 56
    Another rooster pecked, this time a space one. You see, "the Russian Federation went too far and became dependent on imported components." As soon as the question of responsibility arises, the officials begin to remember the responsibility of the whole of Russia. It is high time to put in their place leaders outstanding people, such as Korolev, Chelomey, Yangel and many others. Only managers of this magnitude are capable of solving such problems. The fussing of faceless officials leads to difficulties such as what is written about in the article or to a banal cut of funds. It's time for our leaders to find worthy performers and pay attention to technology that is vital for the Russian Federation
  9. +2
    29 September 2014 20: 10
    For the space industry - it is necessary to look after and do it to people who understand a lot about technology, theory and more.
    How often is there such a procedure as an external technical audit of the developed structures?
    Is there an understanding that there are differences between what the governing "pretzels" are saying and trying to portray and the real state of technical affairs and problems?

    Two years ago, I was .. a developer of measuring electronics in the space industry.

    I can’t talk about the entire space industry, but where I was - the joke was in everything.
    Three moments "got" me the most there
    1. Organizationally, it was an excess pyramid, completely fixated on its internal rituals, interests, information wars ..
    2. Some of the agents of influence at the top back in the USSR pushed the idea - in the space industry there should be a total regulation of everything and everything (At my first place of work, OKB Fakel, the normative controller told me "My signature is to be put LAST on the drawings ,. . I will look after you bring me from the CHIEF DESIGNER "- and could not sign, if he resists)
    3. A normal person usually understands that in order to perform complex development, it is necessary
    - excellent brains with the appropriate skill level
    - several (or at least one) trial design iterations.
    But in order to exclude dependence on both the first and the second (which was obviously very scratched by the manual) - there is a GREAT OPTION - Actel microcircuits - especially for such cases
    These microchips are radiation resistant, special, American ...
    Their distributors energetically delivered them to us - "this is especially for you .."
  10. 0
    29 September 2014 20: 34
    Here they are the first "berries" of "democracy", "freedom of speech", "market economy" ... A country cannot produce satellites, but JUST FEED! Everything depends on "Uncle Sam" ... Honestly, designers who put imported components into such important systems should be hung for Faberge ... And the heads of decision-making and ordering designers to do this should simply be hung up ... As a result of these decisions, it is now possible with CONFIDENCE TO SAY THAT IN RUSSIA THERE IS NO NAVIGATION SYSTEM! And you CANNOT count on it! Actually, this was obvious after the AMERICANS turned off GLONASS after Russia annexed Crimea ... True, the Russian media attributed all this to "problems", "operator error", etc. But knowledgeable people understood everything at once ... Newly-grown Russian designers of both Bulava and GLONAS showed what they are good for ... In fact, Russia's defense capability rests on the REMAINS OF THE NUCLEAR SHIELD created by SOVIET designers ... And the current design tribe of Russia. .. so far, the old Soviet cadres are not suitable for annotations ... If it goes on like this, then by 2020 Russia will remain a bare and defenseless territory ...
  11. +1
    29 September 2014 22: 07
    At the same time, at the end of August 2014, Alexander Muravyov, who holds the post of chief designer of navigation equipment for GLONASS consumers, announced that foreign microelectronics in the project could be replaced by Russian in 2016, and that domestic industry was ready for import substitution of western microelectronic technologies. According to him, in Russia there are prerequisites for overcoming this dependence. If we start the implementation of the import substitution program today, the result can be obtained by 2016.

    The question is why they did not do this before, why did they not carry out the work on an initiative basis, why did they not defend and insist? Going with the flow is always easier. At the same time, cut and roll back. Disgrace, to put it mildly, roughly speaking! "I don't see any landings?"
    1. 0
      29 September 2014 22: 40
      The question is why they did not do this before, why they did not carry out work on an initiative basis, why didn’t they uphold and insisted?

      "Money, money, crap ...". You can't just start a microprocessor production line on your own initiative - it's really expensive, so you need at least some guarantees that the business will pay off.

      And then you turn out your pockets, do it - and what's next? Well, on TV they’ll show about you, they say, craftsmen and all that haven’t yet been translated. Well, maybe even Himself will come to shake your hand, they say, well done. Everything is great, only nobody will buy these items: Western / Chinese is cheaper and in production for a long time. As a result, all these initiative developments will safely be scrapped as unnecessary.
    2. 0
      30 September 2014 00: 21
      The question is why they did not do this before, why they did not carry out work on an initiative basis, why didn’t they uphold and insisted? Going with the stream is always easier.


      Modern microelectronics is a huge industry. There is already kneeling in a closed research institute, as in the USSR you can not collect.
      In the West, hundreds of private companies, including global corporations, are doing this. Giant funds and resources are being invested in R&D.
      And most importantly, the whole thing pays off and makes a profit, since the same companies work for both the civilian and military markets.
  12. 0
    29 September 2014 23: 54
    Quote: I think so
    As a result of these decisions, it is now possible to SAY WITH CONFIDENCE THAT THERE IS NO NAVIGATION SYSTEM IN RUSSIA!

    I don’t agree, GLONAS worked for sure today, but the question is what?
    In the distant Soviet times, in UT circles, they made radio-controlled models on our element base, now it is easier and cheaper to buy a filling in China. Whether or not we want, but in order to eliminate the backlog, we must first produce a more or less competitive elemental base, displacing imported analogues from the domestic market with lower prices and higher quality
  13. +1
    30 September 2014 00: 07
    HA! when China was stopped by a "well-written license". After this gas contract (And most likely, thanks to him wink everything will be fine). Of course, I don’t know for sure, but it’s not for nothing that such a gas price. There is a suspicion that for this there are some preferences i.e. on sanctions in this area. And there is a suspicion that not only in this laughing
  14. 0
    30 September 2014 00: 46
    but I thought why on the map the location is so often buggy laughing
  15. 0
    3 November 2014 17: 18
    not yet fully developed system. a few more years, then it will become no worse than Amerov’s jeepies.