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I, who read the comments on “VO”, are beginning to get the impression that the people cannot stop in their creative impulse to foul anyone, and first of all those who are intelligent and not inclined to verbal and political extremism. This is bad. It begins to resemble a surge in ukroshizofrenii.

It seems to me that you need to treat with respect as your fellow citizens, who have the right to express their opinion as much as those who shout that only he loves Russia the most, because he is ready to go for it. It is a joy to see that the number of people who want to strengthen the country's defense is growing, and over the past 20 years, it began to seem to me that the men in our country have somehow become rather weak and prefer sofa comfort to the harsh everyday life of military service.

But this is not the main thing. First of all I want to urge everyone to be respectful stories your country. And in history we had different periods. I do not know people who would not be mistaken. We are born, we listen to our elders, then we grow up, some beliefs ripen in us. We act (or not) within the framework of these beliefs, but the beliefs (strange thing) change.

Take a look at yourself: how long have you become such a supporter of the policy of our president? Even 5 years ago, his rating hung in the balance. And now - rolls over.

I urge not to shake up and not to assess other people's mistakes, but to think about the future of the country. To think about how you can personally help the country to develop and strengthen.

Here is what they write on other sites: under United Russia (oddly enough), a scientific council was created that created a list of recommendations for reformatting our country's economic policy. The essence of the proposals:

“The main means of economic acceleration is the transition to accelerated growth of investments in fixed capital. In the period of 2015-2020, investment growth should be 8% per year, then - 10% per year. The share of investment in GDP should grow from 19% in 2014 to 30% in 2025.
Investments will go to technological re-equipment of enterprises, launching high-tech industries, creating a developed infrastructure in the form of expressways and high-speed railways, doubling housing and social construction to 2025 year, developing “knowledge economy”, that is, research, education, health, information and biotechnology.

Financing - sale of US bonds. Where to invest? In our backbone and breakthrough enterprises. In any case, they will bring more income, and you will not get them with sanctions:

“The deputies, in particular, are proposing to increase the budget deficit by a factor of five, drastically reduce the tax burden and spend almost half of the country's gold and foreign exchange reserves on investments over the next five years.”

This is really interesting. And in Ukraine, the diagnosis has already been made, the council voted unanimously.
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  1. Klim2011
    Klim2011 29 September 2014 09: 24
    +31
    Briefly, intelligibly, reasonably. To author +
    1. nvv
      nvv 29 September 2014 09: 32
      +10
      I, who read the comments on “VO”, are beginning to get the impression that the people cannot stop in their creative impulse to foul anyone, and first of all those who are intelligent and not inclined to verbal and political extremism. This is bad. It begins to resemble a surge in ukroshizofrenii.

      The woman wrote ..... Men, aren't you ashamed?
      1. nvv
        nvv 29 September 2014 09: 54
        +1
        One is no longer ashamed, man-hug, open his face, talk
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 29 September 2014 09: 55
        +34
        Quote: nvv
        The woman wrote ..... Men, aren't you ashamed?


        I, who read the comments on “VO”, are beginning to get the impression that the people cannot stop in their creative impulse to foul anyone, and first of all those who are intelligent and not inclined to verbal and political extremism. This is bad. It begins to resemble a surge in ukroshizofrenii.

        How long have you become such an adherent of our president’s policies? 5 years ago, his rating hung in the balance. And now - rolls over.


        A couple of paragraphs of the author evoke thoughts of conformism with the fascist government in Kiev, which is so stubbornly promoted by the "DYarmokrats" and liberals of all stripes. So they had a "march of traitors" in Moscow. Yesterday in "Sunday evening" at V. Solovyov's the same "forcibly shaved" in the PR, in his own words, the deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Grushevsky, wearing an embroidered shirt, kept repeating about the "fraternal friendship" of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples.

        To the author of the article.
        1. Make simple arithmetic calculations (2014 - 5 = 2009) and remember who was the president of the country then ....
        2. VO - a platform for discussing topics laid out in the articles posted here. The Ukrainian crisis is an ongoing topic today. For the simple reason that more than half of the inhabitants of Russia are connected with Ukraine through kinship or other personal ties. And when my mother-in-law, who came to visit from Kharkov, says that she saw with her own eyes THE HORROR that is reported ONLY in the Russian media, I can’t ignore the crimes committed and committed today in the territory of a destroyed country ...
        1. nvv
          nvv 29 September 2014 10: 24
          0
          1. Do not find fault with the author with arithmetic. 2. VO is not a censor, but if you allow obscenities, you cannot tell. Here I posted a video speech by SIMONENKO yesterday. A comment came. I quote: "Lena Cook" Everything. The choice is made. For the CPU. Only one, but I'm pleased.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 29 September 2014 10: 44
            +18
            Quote: nvv
            2 VO is not a censor, but if you allow mats, you can’t tell

            The gap between the Censor and the Military District is the same as between today's Russia and Ukraine ...

            Quote: nvv
            1.Do not carp at the author with arithmetic

            Really?
            Before sending an article to VO, albeit written under the impression of emotions, you should think "Did I write it?"
            Maybe Russophobian hysteria in Ukraine is not to find fault?
            1. nvv
              nvv 29 September 2014 10: 56
              +2
              Here anger without mates, censorship does not pass. There anger with mats, censorship misses. General-anger. With this it is impossible to win the fratricidal war. In V.O.V-it was possible there were no brothers.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 29 September 2014 11: 21
                +13
                Quote: nvv
                General-anger. With this it is impossible to win the fratricidal war.

                Victory in a fratricidal war cannot be by definition ...
                And "first blood" entirely lies with the current government in Kiev. Or do you consider the actions of Poroshenko (and before him Turchinov) to declare the ATO legitimate and reasonable?
                And who considered those arrested and missing from the dungeons of the SBU?
                Today, human life in Ukraine is not VALUED BY POWER for AUTHORITY.
                1. nvv
                  nvv 29 September 2014 11: 34
                  +3
                  Ilyich, what are you weaving? Where did I put an equal sign between Poroshenko and the people of Ukraine?
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 29 September 2014 11: 52
                    +7
                    Quote: nvv
                    Where did I put an equal sign between Poroshenko and the people of Ukraine?

                    Such "equality" is indirectly suggested by attempts to defend the author and her hastily written article "Not everything is so bad in Ukraine - in Russia, they say, not better ..."
                    So I am "weaving" the threads of a "worldwide conspiracy" against the remnants of a once prosperous, but today lying part in ruins, and partly bombed and collapsed, with thousands of innocent people killed ... am
                    1. nvv
                      nvv 29 September 2014 12: 23
                      +2
                      Such "equality" in Ukraine - in Russia, they say, is not better ... [/ quote]
                      And what in Russia has the task of building a Just Society? And what, in Russia there are no swamp, various marches? Which under favorable conditions will develop into the Maidan. You can continue the list yourself.
                      1. Candy wrapper
                        Candy wrapper 29 September 2014 22: 20
                        +1
                        One gets the impression that in our country there is no one other than Putin & Co and the belolentochniks. In fact: there are many people in our country. Rather, there is of course everything, but few can be. Therefore, I recommend that everyone prepare for land.
                        PS The author of the article: do not pay attention to what the deputies and other politicians say there, this is rather reckless.
                    2. Penzyac
                      Penzyac 29 September 2014 17: 38
                      +2
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      Quote: nvv
                      Where did I put an equal sign between Poroshenko and the people of Ukraine?

                      Such "equality" is indirectly suggested by attempts to defend the author and her hastily written article "Not everything is so bad in Ukraine - in Russia, they say, not better ..."
                      ... am

                      Where did you see it? For some reason I didn’t see this, but I saw a call not to be like dill (otherwise it will turn out exactly as you say) and that's all, nothing more.
                      Remember how the Nazi troops behaved in the territories occupied by them and how ours behaved, although, in your opinion, they had full moral right to an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, they say, as they are to us, and we are to them.
                      Sincerely. And, be a man! ...
                2. Sergey Vl.
                  Sergey Vl. 29 September 2014 17: 33
                  0
                  These Cain from the Outskirts will still be punished.
              2. avg
                avg 29 September 2014 11: 22
                +18
                Quote: nvv
                General-anger. With this it is impossible to defeat the fratricidal war. In V.O.V-it was possible there were not brothers.

                Yes, stop cramming into them as brothers. They explain to you in verse and obscene language that you are not their brother, that you are not even needed as a serf. You look what they do with prisoners. And those Ukrainians who have kept their minds are perfectly filtering when and who is involved. They themselves would have said even more abruptly, but they didn’t have the opportunity, and those who are already completely tired prefer to talk with Svidomites with the help of AK.
                I agree that it is impossible to stoop to the "censor", but this is not the case here, but it is also not worth turning the VO into a "Smolny Institute".
                1. nvv
                  nvv 29 September 2014 11: 30
                  0
                  Quote: avg
                  Yes stop in to them in brothers to stuff

                  Sorry, I'm definitely out of the way with you. I have the honor.
                  1. avg
                    avg 29 September 2014 11: 46
                    +8
                    Quote: nvv
                    Sorry, I'm definitely out of the way with you. I have the honor.

                    I don’t know why I offended you so much, but to whom and with whom along the way, everyone chooses for himself.
                    Obviously, you're better off with the "brothers."
                    1. nvv
                      nvv 29 September 2014 12: 33
                      0
                      Quote: avg
                      Obviously, you're better off with the "brothers."

                      So I chose, with the fathers, without the quotes.
                    2. Penzyac
                      Penzyac 29 September 2014 17: 48
                      +4
                      Quote: avg
                      Quote: nvv
                      Sorry, I'm definitely out of the way with you. I have the honor.

                      I don’t know why I offended you so much, but to whom and with whom along the way, everyone chooses for himself.
                      Obviously, you're better off with the "brothers."

                      Brothers, like parents do not choose - not in the market ...
                      Brother, even the prodigal - still a brother! You may not love him, even hate him for something, but you won’t be able to undo it, and it doesn’t matter what you say (he’s not my brother after that ...).
                2. Penzyac
                  Penzyac 29 September 2014 17: 47
                  +3
                  Quote: avg
                  Quote: nvv
                  General-anger. With this it is impossible to defeat the fratricidal war. In V.O.V-it was possible there were not brothers.

                  Yes, stop cramming into them as brothers.

                  Brothers are not stuffed with (not "friends"), they are simply by definition, regardless of the fact that one of the brothers has gone mad!
                  Even if the brothers quarrel wo-death, they will still remain brothers, the genes (and not only) can not be crushed with a finger.
              3. lovimoment
                lovimoment 29 September 2014 15: 19
                +3
                Dear, where did you see anger here? There are more than half of the comments on how to make Russia better and how to resolve the conflict in Ukraine. But about individual individuals it is not necessary to say that they are ALL. And it seems to me that those who leave comments calling for the murder of citizens of the fraternal state themselves are people who are not far-sighted, to say the least.
                And at the expense of a strong word: the one who wants the one will always use it. But not explicitly, and yet they will understand him.
                1. nvv
                  nvv 29 September 2014 16: 59
                  0
                  And I do not say that sheer anger.
                2. Penzyac
                  Penzyac 29 September 2014 18: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: lovimoment
                  ... comments calling for the murder of citizens of a fraternal state ...

                  Here is the state (Ukraina) just not fraternal: people - yes, brothers, even if they are astray, but the state they have - not, not fraternal, rather, even the enemy (more precisely, the enemy colony - part of our common Great temporarily occupied by enemies Homeland).
            2. cheega69
              cheega69 29 September 2014 11: 14
              +5
              The question is different. With Outskirts, everything is clear, the diagnosis is made, however, the medicine, as such, is absent. The question is in us. Yesterday, the clever guys at Solovyov tried for a long time and tried to figure out what to do, it’s clear, but how and who will do it Kh.Z. And so in everything. But we do not have time until 2025. NET.And the moods are such that it can itself resolve.
              1. nvv
                nvv 29 September 2014 11: 24
                -4
                Quote: cheega69
                Yesterday smart uncles at Solovyov

                As for Solovyov, turn off the TV. Because what he does, and then in your words, "the mood is such that it can resolve itself."
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 29 September 2014 11: 28
                  +8
                  Quote: nvv
                  As for Solovyov, turn off the TV. Because what he does, and then in your words, "the mood is such that it can resolve itself."

                  Do you like Schuster more?
                  1. nvv
                    nvv 29 September 2014 11: 43
                    +1
                    And what about Schuster here? By the way, I liked it when he mistakenly issued the appeal of the militias. If you didn’t look, I advise. Any questions? Just not stupid like that.
                  2. DRA-88
                    DRA-88 29 September 2014 11: 47
                    +7
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    Do you like Schuster more?

                    I personally don't like either one !!!
                    All their contradictions consist only in the fact that they work for different owners.
                    To understand the issue in the public domain, see their biographies .......
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 29 September 2014 12: 00
                      +7
                      Quote: DRA-88
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      Do you like Schuster more?
                      I personally don't like either one !!!
                      All their contradictions consist only in the fact that they work for different owners.

                      Amazing insight! lol
                      Immediately I remember the words of one "Ukrainian colleague" who, ahead of accusations against the dill-power, immediately said, "And the Russian media ALSO fool!"
                      1. jktu66
                        jktu66 29 September 2014 12: 41
                        +8
                        I don’t know the biography of V.R. Solovyov, but what I heard from him on Vesti FM radio sometimes in the morning is very interesting to me, and much is in tune with my understanding of what is happening in the world, in Ukraine and in Russia. Apparently he works for a very decent and smart host. smile
                      2. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 29 September 2014 13: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: jktu66
                        . Apparently he works for a very decent and smart host.

                        yeah, that's it for you laid out below ..., get to know this nightingale laughing
                      3. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 29 September 2014 12: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Amazing insight!


                        Here, and without sagacity, everything is obvious !!!
                      4. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 29 September 2014 13: 00
                        +8
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Here, and without sagacity, everything is obvious !!!

                        V. Solovyov's talk show is perhaps the most understandable of all that can be seen on Russian TV-media: the "guests" are adequate and interesting, the presenter does not interrupt the speakers and does not shut their mouths. Only at Solovyov's (and now on other channels) you can see and hear the official guests with NazalEzhna.
                        Those people whose opinion is interesting to hear come to Solovyov — Nikonov, Satanovsky, Pushkov, Narochnitskaya, Tarle, Zheleznyak ...
                        A small but significant detail is Soloviev, father of six (!) Children.
                      5. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 29 September 2014 13: 19
                        -3
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Those people whose opinion is interesting to hear come to Solovyov — Nikonov, Satanovsky, Pushkov, Narochnitskaya, Tarle, Zheleznyak ...

                        Everyone represents the same mmmmm .., camp ....
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        A small but significant detail is Soloviev, father of six (!) Children.

                        Jews according to the "charter" are supposed to have more than three offspring!
                      6. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 29 September 2014 13: 34
                        +8
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Everyone represents the same mmmmm .., camp ....

                        Whose opinion are you interested in? What camp?

                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Jews according to the "charter" are supposed to have more than three offspring!

                        I have never noticed my love for Jews ... But I respectfully treat not only V. Solovyov, but also the Professor, And Nas Rat, Voyaka Uh and other "persons of Jewish nationality" laughing
                      7. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 29 September 2014 13: 48
                        +4
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Whose opinion are you interested in? What camp?

                        I won’t hide. I A COMMUNIST - it’s by conviction! (I didn’t and still don’t belong to the party, although they urged me to join the urgent, I even wrote a company recommendation, and then they died for more important matters)
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        But I am respectful not only to V. Solovyov, but also to the Professor, A Nas Rat, Voyaka Ukh and other "persons of Jewish nationality"

                        but I am convinced and in a past life should be an internationalist !!! fellow laughing
                      8. Penzyac
                        Penzyac 29 September 2014 18: 30
                        0
                        Quote: DRA-88

                        I won’t hide. I am a COMMUNIST - this is a conviction! ... I am convinced and in my past life to be an internationalist !!! fellow laughing

                        And where then do you get anti-simitism from?
                      9. nvv
                        nvv 29 September 2014 13: 52
                        +2
                        Quote: stalkerwalker

                        I have never noticed my love for Jews ... But I respectfully treat not only V. Solovyov, but also the Professor, And Nas Rat, Voyaka Uh and other "persons of Jewish nationality"
                        I am not an anti-Jew either. I am an anti-Semite. Do you feel the difference?
                      10. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 29 September 2014 14: 14
                        +2
                        Quote: nvv
                        I am anti-Semite. Do you feel the difference?

                        That's what I love for you, Comrade General of the Army, for capacious and beautiful toasts !!! laughing laughing laughing
                      11. Penzyac
                        Penzyac 29 September 2014 18: 33
                        0
                        Quote: nvv
                        Quote: stalkerwalker

                        I have never noticed my love for Jews ... But I respectfully treat not only V. Solovyov, but also the Professor, And Nas Rat, Voyaka Uh and other "persons of Jewish nationality"
                        I am not an anti-Jew either. I am an anti-Semite. Do you feel the difference?

                        That is, you do not love not all Jews, but only Orthodox Jews?
                      12. Zuborez
                        Zuborez 30 September 2014 04: 54
                        +1
                        Yasser Arafat is the same Semite as Golda Meyer. Semitic tribes.

                        Theorizing)), in the bath of a Jew with a Palestinian you can distinguish horseradish.
                      13. Sour
                        Sour 29 September 2014 15: 21
                        +1
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Everyone represents the same mmmmm .., camp ....

                        Wow, what a mess!
                        And under the communists on TV, of course, there was a huge variety of opinions ... laughing And you probably dream of returning to these times.
                        The funny thing is when people complain about the lack of pluralism. who themselves would not allow any pluralism, and close.
                        And you are not ashamed of them.
                      14. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 29 September 2014 15: 51
                        +2
                        Quote: Sour
                        The funny thing is when people complain about the lack of pluralism. who themselves would not allow any pluralism, and close.


                        Pluralism - the word Gorbachev, I also do not like him, along with Gorbachev !!!
                      15. Sour
                        Sour 29 September 2014 16: 41
                        0
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        I also do not like him, along with Gorbachev !!!

                        Then don't talk about those who are from "the same camp". This is not your topic. You might think it was different under your rule.
                        And your unloved Gorbachev is a typical pupil of the Soviet political system. Not a fighter, soft-bodied and unprincipled. Because it was precisely such people who were making careers at that time — sneaky and opportunists. The system rejected the rest.
                      16. Penzyac
                        Penzyac 29 September 2014 18: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Sour
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        I also do not like him, along with Gorbachev !!!

                        Then don't talk about those who are from "the same camp". This is not your topic. You might think it was different under your rule.
                        And your unloved Gorbachev is a typical pupil of the Soviet political system. Not a fighter, soft-bodied and unprincipled. Because it was precisely such people who were making careers at that time — sneaky and opportunists. The system rejected the rest.

                        I have to agree with you, although there are no rules without exceptions: not everyone was soft-bodied (for example, Khrushchev, for example, or, for example, Yeltsin, can’t be called soft-bodied) and not all were sneaky and opportunists, mainly among ordinary communists.
                      17. Stanislas
                        Stanislas 30 September 2014 10: 10
                        0
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Pluralism - the word Gorbachev
                        If you are a communist by conviction, then replace it with the word "contradictions", because the communists, at least in words, treated them kindly as the driving forces of development, if you do not like "freedom of speech", because, unfortunately, it is often abused. In general, in VO it is much better, here the disputes are much closer to the same contradictions than, say, the g * vradoch on the censor, at which I personally, a malicious swearing man, withstood no more than 3-5 minutes and left, I think, forever. Solovyov with this is also much better than Shuster.
                      18. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 29 September 2014 15: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        And under the communists on TV, of course, there was a huge variety of opinions ..


                        There was definitely no "dovecote" !!! laughing
                      19. Penzyac
                        Penzyac 29 September 2014 18: 27
                        0
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        ...
                        Jews according to the "charter" are supposed to have more than three offspring!

                        Less to you for your antisimitism.
                      20. DRA-88
                        DRA-88 29 September 2014 23: 00
                        0
                        Quote: PENZYAC
                        Less to you for your antisimitism.

                        what nonsense? what anti-Semitism ????
                      21. nvv
                        nvv 29 September 2014 13: 34
                        +1
                        Class !! Although I understand all this, I did not deny myself the contentment to watch until the end.
                      22. Penzyac
                        Penzyac 29 September 2014 18: 15
                        0
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Do you like Schuster more?
                        I personally don't like either one !!!
                        All their contradictions consist only in the fact that they work for different owners.

                        Amazing insight! lol
                        Immediately I remember the words of one "Ukrainian colleague" who, ahead of accusations against the dill-power, immediately said, "And the Russian media ALSO fool!"

                        The Russian mass media don’t talk like the Ukrainian ones, they just slightly (relatively) give a side note (on some issues) - the difference, in my opinion, is quite significant.
                        After all, you can also lie in different ways (Goebbels knew what he was saying).
                      23. koshh
                        koshh 30 September 2014 00: 15
                        0
                        Quote: PENZYAC
                        The Russian mass media don’t talk like the Ukrainian ones, they just slightly (relatively) give a side note (on some issues) - the difference, in my opinion, is quite significant.


                        If not to touch upon the media, but take "nonsense" and "podbrehivanie". The former is fairly easy to define when you think about it, but the latter is quite difficult. After all, it contains 99% of the truth and only 1% of nonsense. Therefore, I believe that all media around the world work to order. And state censorship exists in all countries. Another thing is that somewhere it is harshly politicized, somewhere more moral. Our censorship, I think, is closer to moral. I just remember the "Soviet tough politicized censorship." Then Makarevich would try something like that. I don't even know where they would look for him.
                    2. mazhnikof.Niko
                      mazhnikof.Niko 29 September 2014 16: 48
                      +3
                      Quote: DRA-88
                      I personally don't like either one !!!





                      Well, you can’t say better.
                      Quote: DRA-88
                      All their contradictions consist only in the fact that they work for different owners.


                      I agree, but WE are still looking for a prophet. What are the "smart guys" in Solovyov?
                      Verbiage is not UM.
            3. jktu66
              jktu66 29 September 2014 12: 29
              +1
              Maybe Russophobian hysteria in Ukraine is not to find fault?
              And maybe not to find fault! The dog barks, the caravan goes ...
            4. KazaK Bo
              KazaK Bo 29 September 2014 13: 41
              +6
              In my unenlightened opinion WRITTEN THAT !!! Here are just the conclusions at the end of the subject, for discussion, information, not made due and the discussion went the other way.
              WHAT IS IMPORTANT IN THE ARTICLE?
              ... at "United Russia" (oddly enough) "a scientific council was created that created a list of recommendations for reformatting the economic policy of our country." The essence of the proposals:
              “The main means of economic acceleration is the transition to accelerated growth of investment in fixed assets

              Everything is simple! The leader of EP, at the same time as the Prime Minister of RUSSIA, Mr. Medvedev successfully (and what could be expected from the liberals) failed economic development, reducing the revenue to the treasury mainly to money for the sale of raw materials, an ever-increasing level of taxes, tariffs, etc. d .... And also - income from privatization! Industrial production is very, very problematic. Success in agriculture is rather contrary to Government policy ...
              At the same time, there are more and more nouveau riches in the country, more and more unused and accumulated money in the accounts of our bunch of billionaires! Invest in the construction of new strategic enterprises? For a number of reasons - it is not economically profitable (thanks to the policy of the government)! Better and more profitable - to privatize! And there is nothing to privatize. All the most profitable enterprises have already been taken over! It was in these conditions that "our moneybags" set the TASK for the LARGE CAPITAL PARTY - THROUGH OWN LEADER, AT THE SAME TIME PREMIER, carry out work on the construction of new, worthy industrial enterprises. and agricultural production, service delivery clusters, and then we will find an owner for them ... for the price we need ... as in the case of BASHKIRNEFT! And even more vividly highlighted this direction of development of "personal economy" - SERDYUKOV WITH VASILIEVA! They invested hundreds of millions of state money in modernization, and bought them through dummies for amounts 3-7 times less!
              And the office went to fence plans for a new economic development! That's all the ins and outs of "EP CARES ABOUT INVESTING IN FIXED CAPITAL"!
              I am with two hands for the development of the economy ... including through new investments! But we must very carefully approach the idea of ​​new billionth state investments!
              To prevent another "ochubization" ... And it is very easy to do it! IT IS SUFFICIENT TO ADOPT THE LAW ON EXCHANGE WITH NEW STATE INVESTMENTS - IF THE STATE HAS MORE THAN 51% OF THE FUNDS DEPOSITED WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS ENTERPRISE, THEN ITS PRIVATIZATION IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR 25 (maybe 30) YEARS ... AND THIS DECISION TO CARRY OUT A QUALIFIED PROCEDURE (that is, it is not subject to revision ... despite the rhetoric of the leaders of the United Russia and their lobby!) ... THE INCOME FROM THAT created by the people ... for the people's money ... should belong to the people, and not new rogues like Serdyukov & K *!
              1. hrapon
                hrapon 29 September 2014 14: 19
                +5
                Kazak BO: "It's simple! .... I am with both hands for the development of the economy ... including through new investments! But we must be very careful about the idea of ​​new billion-dollar government investments!"

                I agree with regard to the "liberal-economic" Premier. Much has been written about this.

                Today, the main problem is breaking liberal approaches to the formation of financial and monetary policies. All of our financial and economic elite, Gaidar’s feeding and stronghold, is the Higher School of Economics. The country's economy cannot develop and be competitive when the fight against inflation is paramount.

                In order for the country's economy to become self-sufficient, it is necessary to have not only a developed consumer market, the creation of which liberals have succeeded in creating, but also its own production capable of saturating this market.

                It is impossible to break everything and redo it overnight. A reindustrialization program is needed. This problem cannot be solved without state "multi-billion dollar" investments. Investments should be directed not just where, but in sectors capable of providing a technological breakthrough: petrochemicals, mechanical engineering, machine-tool building, IT technologies, etc. Solving this problem will allow us to pull the ruble away from the dual currency basket and actually get out of the dollar dependence. Then our "striped friends" will have to compare the temperature of the world economy with the exchange prices for oil and gas on our Russian stock exchanges, and for rubles.
              2. 97110
                97110 29 September 2014 21: 13
                +1
                Quote: KazaK Bo
                REVENUE FROM what was created by the people ... for the people's money ... should belong to the people, and not to new wits like Serdyukov and K *!

                Beautiful, breathtaking. GK read? Property of the state and property of the people - is there no difference? Manilov?
              3. Zuborez
                Zuborez 30 September 2014 04: 58
                0
                The question of divide-debts is for some reason state, and the profit (actual) is private.
            5. Penzyac
              Penzyac 29 September 2014 17: 28
              0
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Quote: nvv
              2 VO is not a censor, but if you allow mats, you can’t tell

              The gap between the Censor and the Military District is the same as between today's Russia and Ukraine ...

              Quote: nvv
              1.Do not carp at the author with arithmetic

              Really?
              Before sending an article to VO, albeit written under the impression of emotions, you should think "Did I write it?"
              Maybe Russophobian hysteria in Ukraine is not to find fault?

              Do not evaluate women's logic from the point of view of men (do not require a woman to be a man) ...
          2. dmitriygorshkov
            dmitriygorshkov 29 September 2014 14: 32
            +1
            Quote: nvv
            2 VO is not a censor, but if you allow mats, you can’t tell

            I will not engage in polemics with you. Sorry, not with anyone! But what would it be to pose as the mind, honor and conscience of at least one site, read YOUR (!) Comments!
            1. nvv
              nvv 29 September 2014 16: 51
              0
              And if in more detail? This is not a hint of twelve thousand Cossacks?
        2. jktu66
          jktu66 29 September 2014 12: 26
          0
          1. Make simple arithmetic calculations (2014 - 5 = 2009) and remember who was the president of the country then ....
          But is it really not clear WHO was essentially the president in 2009 with formal DAM? And who is the real prime minister now? smile
          1. tantalum
            tantalum 29 September 2014 13: 03
            +2
            Quote: jktu66
            But is it really not clear WHO was essentially the president in 2009 with formal DAM?

            If it’s so clear to you, can you explain the number of mistakes, to put it mildly, that DAM made? In my opinion, a carte blanche was issued for him to act so that people could see the difference in government.
      3. WKS
        WKS 29 September 2014 10: 08
        +2
        Quote: nvv
        I, who read the comments on “VO”, are beginning to get the impression that the people cannot stop in their creative impulse to foul anyone, and first of all those who are intelligent and not inclined to verbal and political extremism. This is bad. It begins to resemble a surge in ukroshizofrenii.

        The woman wrote ..... Men, aren't you ashamed?
        Maybe she didn’t read the comments on other sites? That's where they spit, and here it is - spitting.
        1. nvv
          nvv 29 September 2014 10: 31
          +2
          Quote: wks
          and here so - spitting.

          This spit Bandera, and often perceived throughout Ukraine. How do you want to win this hybrid war, where victory is made not only by arms, but also by word?
          1. DRA-88
            DRA-88 29 September 2014 11: 09
            +3
            Quote: nvv
            This spit Bandera, and often perceived throughout Ukraine. How do you want to win this hybrid war, where victory is made not only by arms, but also by word?
            I completely agree with you, my Dear Friend!
            If we cannot (for a number of reasons) win the war at the theater of action, then we must try to win the information war!
            1. nvv
              nvv 29 September 2014 11: 14
              +1
              And you dear friend, I advise you to read the letters. I can’t insert an emoticon for a number of reasons, well, the one where the language is shown.
              1. DRA-88
                DRA-88 29 September 2014 11: 27
                +4
                Quote: nvv
                And you dear friend, I advise you to read the letters.

                Now I always listen to your advice!
                and I ask you to report on the work done! wassat
                1. nvv
                  nvv 29 September 2014 11: 48
                  +3
                  The war is with varying success, today they beat me in the face, tomorrow I am handing out change, in general, everything is in a bundle.
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                  3. DRA-88
                    DRA-88 29 September 2014 12: 20
                    +3
                    something like that Buddy !!!
                    Not ssssyyy, it happened worseBREAKTHROUGH !!!

                    But WE keep the BOUNDARIES
                    And we fight bravely !!!
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        3. 23 region
          23 region 29 September 2014 12: 11
          +5
          I don’t know how the rest, but somehow I don’t like this phrase:
          It seems to me that you need to be respectful as your fellow citizens who have the right to express their opinion in the same way as those who shout that only he loves Russia more than anyone else, because he is ready to fight for it
          Somehow it turns out that the liberals express their opinion, but if you love the Motherland and are ready to fight for it, then you scream.
          (opposition intellectual - bydlo ????)
      4. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 29 September 2014 15: 28
        +3
        And there is still not much about our Ukrainian brothers who do not want to work for 20t.r. per month.
        Surgut drug police detained alleged distributors of synthetic drugs, which poisoned seven people, the press service of the regional department of the Federal Drug Control Service reported.

        The organized group consisted of two people. Both of them are citizens of Ukraine.

        “At the place of temporary residence of the drug control officers detained by drug control officers, it was discovered and seized: in the kitchen in the closet there are 104 plastic bags with the substance, in the refrigerator one plastic bag with the substance, in the niche of the kitchen corner 18 plastic bags with the substance, in the cabinet above the refrigerator nine plastic bags with the substance, as well as a metal can with a volume of 1 liter with a substance of plant origin, 1 plastic bag with a substance of light color. According to the study, all the seized substance is n / s of synthetic origin with a total weight of 991 g, ”the report said.

        The criminals were detained on September 26. On the same day, two more Ukrainians were caught in Surgut with 400 g of synthetic substance.

        The number of drug poisoning rose to 180, seven died.

        http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2014/09/29/n_6518501.shtml
        1. cap54
          cap54 29 September 2014 19: 52
          +1
          We should also check them for their involvement in the events on the Maidan and the events in Odessa on May 2 - there could be synthetics from there !!! Something was added there to tea for brutality ... After all, when crossing the border, refugees almost did not check anyone for the presence of drugs ... It was possible to carry the car with them at least ... And the saboteurs of the right-wingers could cross the border !!!
      5. VAF
        VAF 29 September 2014 17: 35
        +2
        Quote: nvv
        The woman wrote ..... Men, aren't you ashamed?


        I am responsible (for myself, of course) NOT SHAME. this is not "a woman wrote", but a quotation of statements-speeches from yesterday's night program of V. Solovyov, Mr. Hinshnein and another, some deputy from the Ministry of Finance.

        And so what was the beginning of the article, but how did I get to ... "United Russia" ... everything .... "The circus continues", in short, MINUS article is UNIFICATED !!! soldier
        1. zvědavost
          1 October 2014 18: 31
          0
          I could not immediately answer, since I was leaving for Salekhard on a business trip. I am not a member of the United Russia party, but I wonder what is being born there now. After reading the news, I expected that they would appear on VO, but did not appear. Now I’m most interested in how the problems that arose due to the sanctions of the European Union and the USA will be solved. It was interesting to hear your opinion. I did not try on the functions of the political prop. In the comments there were two interesting opinions on the merits. It is to these interlocutors that I am most glad.
      6. Setrac
        Setrac 30 September 2014 00: 24
        0
        Quote: nvv
        The woman wrote ..... Men, aren't you ashamed?

        Those who are "ashamed" are on a quadrillion march for "peace." And when Donetsk was bombed, the march was somehow not observed.
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 29 September 2014 10: 43
      +3
      While the fried rooster did not peck at the fifth point, the government did not even think about its own production potential, not to mention the fact that it also needs to be taken care of. But, as you know, it's late than never. If it doesn’t reach through the head, it will reach through the ass, this is just the case.
    3. yehat
      yehat 29 September 2014 12: 52
      0
      about the rationality of the author, I would not rush ...
      it was pointed out that the Academic Council at EP issued its recommendation to expedite investments, but what will happen to them?
      There will be a recurrence of Sochi - a wildly ineffective drank and the combustion of 4/5 potential to nothing.
      Meanwhile, in addition to the lack of funding, there are a bunch of other constraints. The main one in the aggregate is a huge amount of optional costs and it is much more important than the volume of investments. These are taxes, and the abundance of monopolies with their super-profits, and the VAT rate, and the refinancing rate, and much more.
    4. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 29 September 2014 13: 37
      +2
      And in Ukraine the diagnosis has already been made, the council voted unanimously.
      For Ukraine more "will fly". Not now and not in the near future, not even during your lifetime, but surely.
      I remember from Kazakh history: for Kazakhs, no one is closer and dearer than the Kyrgyz. And of all peoples, the Kazakhs consider them brothers. We even have a proverb "Kyrgyz-Kazak bir tugan!" (approximate translation Kyrgyz-Kazakh brothers)
      So, once the Kazakh Khan Ablai staged a pogrom on the Kyrgyz. Surely Ablaikhan had very reasonable reasons for this. He simply would not have dared to do this execution. About a century later, the Kazakhs received a well-deserved "response". Then the grandson of Ablaykhan, Kenesary appealed to the Kyrgyz brothers with an appeal to oppose common enemies. But they met him with weapons in their hands. And in the end they cut off his head and sent him to Petersburg. She is now lost somewhere in the back streets of the Hermitage. Apparently, the Kirghiz remembered well whose grandson Khan Kene was.
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    6. siberalt
      siberalt 29 September 2014 19: 48
      +1
      And where is the money for investment? They are invested in American securities and work for it. What nafig development, when a bank loan at 25% per annum, the issue is tied to the Fed, fuel and lubricants rises in price to each sowing and harvesting? And all this with the permission of our Basic Law.
  2. kingnothing
    kingnothing 29 September 2014 09: 24
    +33
    Dear Prishvitsina Elena Aleksandrovna, to implement what you wrote, it is necessary to carry out enormous changes in the legislation and the first of them - This is a constitutional change written by the hands of the WEST under the affairs of the WEST and aimed at plundering OUR RUSSIA, nationalization of the national bank, deoffshorization! These are the very first steps and without them everything else does not make sense! We must not reform OUR rotten system based on a Western foundation, but change it to our own!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 29 September 2014 09: 34
      +15
      Quote: kingnothing
      We must not reform OUR rotten system based on a Western foundation, but change it to our own!
      Absolutely agree! How many wolf do not feed, but he looks into the forest. Similarly, with our officials, it is foolish to hope that the generation of people who came to power by paying for seats suddenly began to selflessly fight for the good of the people. Those whom we all call the fifth column constitute the backbone of "our" power. And then they are indignant why the May and other orders are not being executed. they are the reason. It's time for Vova to remember the precepts of Stalin and Pinochet!
    2. Alexey M
      Alexey M 29 September 2014 15: 34
      0
      I even know an example to follow the USSR of the 70s.
      1. Sour
        Sour 29 September 2014 16: 47
        +1
        Quote: Alexey M
        I even know an example to follow the USSR of the 70s.

        Did you live at that time? Or have you heard from someone about him?
    3. zvědavost
      1 October 2014 18: 35
      0
      Put you a plus. I understand everything perfectly, because I have an economic and legal education and work as a tax consultant. But any changes can be made by breaking the system, and nobody wants this, even you. And it is possible through reform. But in any case, as you know, it’s hard to live in an era of change.
  3. lelikas
    lelikas 29 September 2014 09: 28
    0
    Elena, I served in the army, I continue not to be very fond of Pu, I haven’t entered Russia, I can’t affect the budget and deputies, in my comments there is no shabby Ukraine -
    -Tell me what to do ?????
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 29 September 2014 09: 36
      +15
      Quote: lelikas
      , I served in the army, I continue not to be very fond of Pu, I didn’t enter Russia, I can’t affect the budget and deputies, in my comments there’s no scumbag about Ukraine -

      Yes you are a unique person laughing ! And here, just the same deputies gathered, the rulers of the fate of Russia. And many people also have an ambiguous attitude towards Vovan Vovanych, I myself am one of those, but now he is the best that we have from politicians, others are only worse. What is there to do?" Chernyshevsky also asked, so not much has changed over 150 years. Decide for yourself, it is very difficult to advise here.
    2. hrapon
      hrapon 29 September 2014 09: 39
      +11
      I can advise you to read more. Desirable works of Russian philosophers Leontiev, Trubetskoy, Ilyin, chief prosecutor Pobedonostsev. Much that is being discussed today or trying to "throw in" as a liberal revelation has long been comprehended, studied and received reinforced concrete argumentation. There is nothing new under the sun. A well-known enemy technology is to slip the old rake into a new, inexperienced generation.
      Maybe then it will become clear what exactly Pu and his supporters are doing in United Russia. It must be understood that not all of the United Russia supporters of Pu.

      In general, Russian officers and the overwhelming majority of Russian people for centuries have followed the principle - "do what you must and be as it will."
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 29 September 2014 10: 04
        +6
        Quote: hrapon
        For centuries, the overwhelming majority of Russian people have followed the principle - "do what you must and be as it will."

        I did not know that the Russian people "for centuries" followed the precepts of French folklore. smile
        1. hrapon
          hrapon 29 September 2014 13: 19
          +4
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Quote: hrapon
          For centuries, the overwhelming majority of Russian people have followed the principle - "do what you must and be as it will."

          I did not know that the Russian people "for centuries" followed the precepts of French folklore. smile



          In fact, this is one of the mottos of Stoicism and is an ancient Latin aphorism, which was later really used in a certain old French song.

          Our ancestors, those whom I had in mind, were educated people.
          1. hrapon
            hrapon 29 September 2014 13: 41
            +5
            More precisely, "Do what must, happen, what is destined" (Marcus Aurelius).
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      2. jktu66
        jktu66 29 September 2014 12: 59
        +6
        I can advise you to read more
        You can still, even without experiencing special love, show greater respect for the incumbent President of your country. Indeed, more than 80% of your compatriots believe that the president deserves it.
    3. DRA-88
      DRA-88 29 September 2014 11: 24
      0
      Quote: lelikas
      Elena, I served in the army, I continue not to be very fond of Pu, I haven’t entered Russia, I can’t affect the budget and deputies, in my comments there is no shabby Ukraine -
      -Tell me what to do ?????

      I can subscribe to your every word!
      And I do not cease to ask the same question: why is the Russian oligarchy and bureaucracy better than the suburban?
      1. tantalum
        tantalum 29 September 2014 13: 27
        +4
        Quote: DRA-88
        Why is the Russian oligarchy and bureaucracy better than the suburban?

        We start with this, and end with Maidan? And our journalists are bad and we do not like the president. Technology however :)
      2. Penzyac
        Penzyac 29 September 2014 19: 03
        +1
        Quote: DRA-88
        Quote: lelikas
        Elena, I served in the army, I continue not to be very fond of Pu, I haven’t entered Russia, I can’t affect the budget and deputies, in my comments there is no shabby Ukraine -
        -Tell me what to do ?????

        I can subscribe to your every word!
        And I do not cease to ask the same question: why is the Russian oligarchy and bureaucracy better than the suburban?

        Apparently, though not a big difference, but probably there is: for example, I do not know a single Ukrainian oligarch who would act like Potanin ...
        Otherwise, we would have exactly the same as on the outskirts.
      3. zvědavost
        1 October 2014 18: 42
        0
        I answered Lelikas.
    4. zvědavost
      1 October 2014 18: 40
      0
      Do not lose heart and live so that later it would not be a shame for the years lived. If you even raised children as patriots of your homeland, educated, intelligent, educated, then you have lived your life for good reason. The most important thing now, in my opinion, is not to lose our youth. And this is their own time, strength and even health. There are many other options, how not to burn life. I know many people who make our life better. Only such - not indifferent, the salt of the Russian land. I am with such.
  4. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 29 September 2014 09: 32
    +4
    It seems to me that you need to be respectful as your fellow citizens,]

    It seems to me that you need to respect the citizens of other countries, including not only scum.
    doubling housing and social construction by 2025,

    The thing, of course, is good, only who is able to buy housing? Apartments will be bought by non-poor people, rented out. And a locksmith and a turner, as they rented housing, will be so.
    1. Who
      Who 29 September 2014 09: 57
      +6
      I wonder how much a good turner is getting now? Here I have a friend - an electric welder, he receives from 70 per month. For 000 years he bought a decent new apartment
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      2. Sour
        Sour 29 September 2014 15: 38
        +3
        Quote: vem
        I wonder how much a good turner is getting now?

        Turner - I don’t know. But I have one of my nephews as a machine adjuster. Gets 65000 a month. Of course, rubles.
        I know one, lives nearby. Works as an illuminator either on TV or in the theater. Complains about the small salary (about 12000) and the damned oligarchs. When I offered him to learn to be a forklift driver and work for me for 22000, he just grinned: "No, this is not for me."
        Who is not afraid of work, he lives normally. If a person aches that he was strangled by damned exploiters, then one of two things:
        1) Or he is a loafer, to whom only light and clean work is required.
        2) Either he does not want to live within his means, he has accumulated loans, and does not know how to pay off.
        1. Zuborez
          Zuborez 30 September 2014 05: 08
          0
          It happens in different ways. "As you agree" (c)
          Hungry turners, and especially welders, did not meet.
      3. Hleb
        Hleb 29 September 2014 15: 46
        +1
        You and Kisly would explain where your friends and nephews work. That is, an organization, a region.
        otherwise you honor and feel that you live in some other Russia, where the bulk of the salary of 25-30 thousand is considered good. For the village and 15 thousand are often the limit
        1. Sour
          Sour 29 September 2014 16: 13
          +1
          Quote: Gleb
          region.

          The city of Nizhny Novgorod.
          A salary of 25-30 is also not bad, you certainly will not die of hunger. And you will live better than 200 rubles a month in the USSR. If, of course, I did not go through loans.
          As for the village, I agree, there are 12000 for the holiday, but a quarter of Russia's population lives there. If someone has a small salary, this does not mean that most have it.
          By the way, everyone has different ways in the village. My classmate is growing early potatoes for sale. I did not notice that he was in poverty. Although sticks like a horse.
          1. CONTROL
            CONTROL 30 September 2014 09: 07
            0
            RT, Republic of Tatarstan! 15 thousand rubles for the village - not enough ... 30-40 - yes, yes! .. in the city - 40-50-60 ... I constantly contact Nizhny Novgorod - branches ... we have better ...
  5. lovimoment
    lovimoment 29 September 2014 09: 33
    +8
    We are still far from uchroschisophrenia. You were probably not a censor. Read their comments and want to become more polite. But in general there are some comments on the VO that leave an unpleasant aftertaste. But I hope that in Russia there are still many people who can distinguish bad from good, provocation from the truth. In general, all sorts of outbursts that provocateurs make here are in some ways even useful, they encourage a thorough understanding of the issue. So do not panic !!!)))
    1. nvv
      nvv 29 September 2014 09: 38
      +1
      Quote: lovimoment
      We are still far from ukroschizophrenia
      You were probably not a censor
      Allow mats here, you can’t tell
  6. hrapon
    hrapon 29 September 2014 09: 33
    +1
    Thank you, Elena Alexandrovna. What clever you are - not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 30 September 2014 09: 31
      0
      ratings - not to Putin, but political support not even to Russia, but to the MOTHERLAND! with jambs of course, but who does not have them? and? hand on heart ... or on the stomach? ...

      Ukraine today is a fascist state waging war with Russia, with my homeland! because of weakness and sloppiness not with weapons in our hands, not shooting at us and not crossing borders (although ... well, everyone knows ...) less, love them? caress?
      and the experience of such a considerable life suggests that they were never brothers, and history says that they were not them in centuries ... well, let's run a common household with the fascists! they supplied pre-war Germany with timber, metals, and all that (they restored the "Opel Captain" - about it Stirlitz went to the movies, similar ... the frame of the cabin is wooden! dark pink wood treated with flame retardants, a purple stamp on each block: " Krasnoyarsk People's Commissariat for Forestry "...), a continuous international ... until the 41st year ...
    2. zvědavost
      1 October 2014 18: 45
      0
      Grateful for the kind words.
  7. captain
    captain 29 September 2014 09: 38
    -4
    In principle, everything is correct, and especially about the rating and our amazing ability to not analyze the situation. In Ukraine, everything was clear even when the GDP for a long time could not respond to the referendum in the Donbass. When Strelkov was removed, one could already forget about Novorossia. It is a pity the people who died for the idea.
    1. Zuborez
      Zuborez 30 September 2014 05: 18
      0
      Quote: captain
      When Strelkov was removed, one could already forget about Novorossia. It is a pity the people who died for the idea.

      They already bit a bit. Too much blood.
      All these truces, IMHO, are temporary.
      And there seems to be no oil in Donbass yet. As in the Syrian "opposition", NATO members will not invest in banderlog.

      Time will tell.
  8. bmv04636
    bmv04636 29 September 2014 10: 04
    +4
    Take a look at yourself: how long have you become such a supporter of the policy of our president? Even 5 years ago, his rating hung in the balance. And now - rolls over.
    I do not agree with this statement when our president had a rating like Holland, for example;
    The popularity level of President Francois Hollande in France fell over two months by 5%, reaching a record low of 13%, according to a survey published on Thursday by the TNS Sofres Institute. and nothing coughs and is not going to resign. And denyuzhka from bonds of the Fed gradually and gradually Russia are withdrawn.
  9. Vend
    Vend 29 September 2014 10: 06
    +4
    Take a look at yourself: how long have you become such a supporter of the policy of our president? Even 5 years ago, his rating hung in the balance. And now - rolls over.

    Personally, I supported Putin, and then Medvedev, from the very beginning. And people have now become adherents. because the things that have been waiting so long have begun. So it’s not necessary to submit it as mass hysteria.
    1. sled beach
      sled beach 29 September 2014 11: 08
      +3
      Nano-steps, we go to a bright future. But seriously, we live as we want to live. Our whole history is everyone’s personal choice. The will of each person merges into the aspiration of the people. Life is not bad, not the state, we are like that. What would life become it’s better that everyone is better.
    2. cheega69
      cheega69 29 September 2014 11: 20
      0
      That's the whole point, that there are no cases. There is demagoguery in the right direction. But these are two big differences. And the thing is that the hell of what has changed is the Sochi hforum showed.
      1. Vend
        Vend 29 September 2014 17: 28
        +1
        Quote: cheega69
        That's the whole point, that there are no cases. There is demagoguery in the right direction. But these are two big differences. And the thing is that the hell of what has changed is the Sochi hforum showed.

        Look carefully. Compare with 90 and how it is now. I have the opportunity to compare, I lived in 90's, those who do not want to see the difference do not see it.
      2. Zuborez
        Zuborez 30 September 2014 05: 24
        +1
        Funds went into the defense industry, and considerable ones. They are mastered through one place, of course, but they cannot be compared with what happened 10-15 years ago.

        Yes, and sanctions for the good, IMHO. Although they found out what we lack.

        And how we survived the 90s, I am still surprised).
    3. krivdaSPb
      krivdaSPb 29 September 2014 17: 14
      +1
      And I'm to you :) Putin is the best thing that could happen to Russia.
      It is clear that the surrounding foreign masters are more interested when Russia is headed by a half-dead corpse, a semi-literate enthusiast or a drunken drunk who is incapable of any actions.
      But in my opinion, a wolf in power is better than a jackal jackal, ready to put the country under the first who pokes.
  10. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 29 September 2014 10: 11
    +3
    Hello! Obviously, you need to get rid of all investments in America’s securities and the sooner the better! And invest the money as described in the article, but not all, but partly in equal shares to be distributed in securities of countries loyal to the policy of RUSSIA! hi
  11. Militarist
    Militarist 29 September 2014 10: 18
    +3
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: kingnothing
    We must not reform OUR rotten system based on a Western foundation, but change it to our own!
    Absolutely agree! How many wolf do not feed, but he looks into the forest. Similarly, with our officials, it is foolish to hope that the generation of people who came to power by paying for seats suddenly began to selflessly fight for the good of the people. Those whom we all call the fifth column constitute the backbone of "our" power. And then they are indignant why the May and other orders are not being executed. they are the reason. It's time for Vova to remember the precepts of Stalin and Pinochet!


    I subscribe to all of the above. But our five Bears (Putin V.V., Lavrov S.V., Churkin V.I., Shoigu S.K. and Ivanov S.B.) need the order of the names to be arranged is not important, for me they are at the same level) In the near future, get together and arrange writing the new Constitution of the Russian Federation, after which put it on a human court. But after all this, hold an All-Russian Referendum. We accept it or not.

    The question is, are PEOPLE ready for this ??? Not only WE with YOU.
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 29 September 2014 12: 15
      +2
      The Constitution is written not by five, but as a minimum of 50 million citizens. We always write, then a referendum and "unanimous approval" ...
      Just look around and understand that there seems to be a constitution and it guarantees your voyage, but there will never be any sense from this, since "specially trained people" COUNT the votes, for a special reward.
      1. Sour
        Sour 29 September 2014 16: 04
        +2
        Quote: Mama_Cholli
        Voices COUNTED by "specially trained people"

        My daughter recently went to work as a member of the election commission in one of the polling stations. Choose a governor.
        Very disappointed. She said that she went there to see how the elections were rigged. Believed in it is sacred. But she was disappointed because she didn’t notice anything, although she participated in sorting the ballots and filling out the protocol. He says that next time he won’t go, if offered. Not interesting anymore.
        They paid her, scary to say, 3100 rubles. laughing
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 30 September 2014 10: 02
          0
          and my younger one worked in the same commission - so terrified of such an election ... a fraud on the scam ... oh, youth, youth ... yes, by the way - the same money! ..
  12. 1-ST Engineer
    1-ST Engineer 29 September 2014 10: 43
    +2
    The one who does nothing is not mistaken ... The author sensibly chewed everything well done sensibly the main thing - in the country it is the fight against theft, my simple proposal was able to bring the thief to clean water your percentage of the amount stolen and there will be many times less, because the information has the property leak out ...
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    2. 23 region
      23 region 29 September 2014 13: 38
      0
      Quote: 1-ST Engineer
      The one who does nothing is not mistaken ... The author sensibly chewed everything well done sensibly the main thing - in the country it is the fight against theft, my simple proposal was able to bring the thief to clean water your percentage of the amount stolen and there will be many times less, because the information has the property leak out ...

      The siloviki, of course, are enthusiastic about the idea of ​​using the services of paid informants, since this can greatly facilitate their work. Indeed, instead of engaging in the production of operational information, and carrying out painstaking work to identify those who violate the law, it will be enough to pay (of course from the state budget and at the expense of taxpayers) the services of one or another “vigilant comrade”.
      And from a moral point of view, for me it is somehow not comme il faut.
      1. 23 region
        23 region 29 September 2014 13: 45
        +2
        “What is really dangerous is the tendency of squealing in society. Previously, in any healthy society, people tried not to report what they saw, but to solve problems on their own. Everyone understood the danger inherent in a society of informants in which people convey not out of concern for security, but rather for reasons of profit - social, financial and, most often, psychological: because of the almost Pavlovian need to be rewarded for obedience to the dominant trend, for obedience to "power". This eventually creates a controlled society in which citizens willingly feel entitled to regulate the actions and thoughts of others ”(http://magnison.livejournal.com/13051.html)
        1. Sour
          Sour 29 September 2014 17: 28
          0
          Quote: Region 23
          Previously, in any healthy society, people tried not to report what they saw, but to solve problems on their own.

          Then we must say goodbye to the dream of victory over corruption.
          If society continues to live according to the thieves' laws (“don't give up your own people,” “it's not good to knock”), then everything will remain as it is.
          Will you report a neighbor if he parked the car on the lawn at night? You won't get it. And I will not report, unfortunately. Prejudice will not allow. But the German and the Swede will report. Therefore, they also have the lowest corruption in the world. That is why, and not at all because there "they shoot all corrupt officials." No one will take bribes if they know that neighbors and even relatives will turn them over immediately.
          Will you inform your relative if you find out that he is a thief? No one will let us know. But corruption cannot be defeated otherwise. No shootings and landings will help. The Chinese are constantly shooting, but no use.
          Every medal has two sides. But many want to see only one.
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          2. 23 region
            23 region 29 September 2014 19: 47
            0
            Quote: Sour
            Then it is necessary to say goodbye to the dream of victory over korruptsii.Esli society continues to live according to the laws of thieves ("do not hand over their own", "knocking is bad"), then everything will remain as it is.

            Prejudice will not allow. But the German and the Swedes will report.

            Fraud in America is a sign of valor, the scammer not only does not experience moral torment, but, on the contrary, begins to feel like a hero. K. Simonenko in his emigrant impressions of America writes: “Moreover, snitches here are folk heroes. Take, for example, Una Bomber, a famous terrorist and psychopath. For several years he was elusive until a reward of several hundred thousand dollars was awarded for him. Passed on the first day. And who passed? His sibling. He became a hero. American Pavlik Morozov was shown on national television and published interviews in all leading newspapers. ”
        2. CONTROL
          CONTROL 30 September 2014 10: 07
          0
          ... citizens willingly feel entitled to regulate the actions and thoughts of others ”

          on the basis of what do they regulate and control? state laws or the prevailing society of morality and ethics - communal (Central Asia), tribal (Caucasus) or Orthodox-communal (Russia) ... Vaprozzz ... however!
      2. Zuborez
        Zuborez 30 September 2014 05: 30
        0
        And where does "operational information" come from?
        Agents have been raised, cherished, cherished for years and are not drained unless absolutely necessary.

        And about "pay from the state budget" - this moment is well disclosed in "Schweik".
  13. Alcoholic
    Alcoholic 29 September 2014 11: 06
    +7
    The number of those who want it to be good is always greater than those who look at the world pessimistically))
    Reading the comments, I, incidentally, did not notice any "ukroshizy". There is something written in pathos, but a certain balance is always observed.
    But about BB and the rating and the "United Russia" ...
    Everyone already understands that VV must make a choice either with the people, or with money, or make money with the people.
    While this choice is not visible. There is a game of its own, necessary, incomprehensible, but completely unknown.
    The only thing that is clear is that the promises are no longer "rolled", the only thing that is clear is that the Americans will not fight with us.
    This has not been enough for understanding recently.
  14. pensioner
    pensioner 29 September 2014 11: 12
    +3
    Take a look at yourself: how long have you become such an adherent of the policies of our president?

    I-right away. For then there was no choice. This choice is now not great, but it is. And then ... Luzhkov, or what ?? Or Chernomyrdin? But such conversations went ...
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 29 September 2014 11: 30
      +5
      Quote: retired
      Take a look at yourself: how long have you become such an adherent of the policies of our president?
      I-right away. For then there was no choice. This choice is now not great, but it is. And then ... Luzhkov, or what ?? Or Chernomyrdin?

      Yeah ...
      Navalny, Khodor, Nemtsov, Kasyanov and others. And to the songs of Makaronych .... stop
      Hi, Yuri!
      hi
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 29 September 2014 12: 10
        +2
        ABOUT! Ilch! Hello, great !! fellow Sorry - I somehow inattentively read comments, especially once. crying
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Bulk, Khodor, Nemtsov, Kasyanov

        Hmm ... sad Does it pound you after foreign countries, or what? Well, what were you smoking there? am Dried apples Not otherwise...
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 29 September 2014 12: 16
          +3
          Quote: retired
          Well, what were you smoking there? Dried apples Not otherwise...

          Remote diagnostics?
          Choi Kashpirovsky was remembered ... wassat
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 29 September 2014 12: 19
            +1
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Remote diagnostics?

            Good knowledge of symptoms yes . Plus personal experience ... recourse
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Choi Kashpirovsky was remembered ...

            Ah ... The amateur.
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 30 September 2014 10: 23
      0
      here I am from Tatarstan, I personally knew Shaimiev ... I do not like ... but I always supported him! the result - in the republic, although he "stole", like Putin ... well, politics!
  15. Begemot
    Begemot 29 September 2014 11: 39
    +3

    “The main means of economic acceleration is the transition to accelerated growth of investments in fixed capital. In the period of 2015-2020, investment growth should be 8% per year, then - 10% per year. The share of investment in GDP should grow from 19% in 2014 to 30% in 2025.

    What the hell, but we thought so much, puzzled, how to raise the economy?
    It turns out you just need to start all the savings in investment. How many people want to cut the budget, the NWF and other people's money! It seems to me, once again the money will be stolen, and the economy will continue to float in oil and blow gas bubbles. And this is because, as one respected person said: We have idiotic, excessive regulation of the economy, but no economy.
    As an example, no more than yesterday I spoke with a company of farmers. I must say that these guys are a unique case. They combined their land shares, their equipment, rented something and, without subsidies and help, created a very decent farm. And today they decided to close it, and not because the coconut does not grow and the crocodile is not caught, but because in the winter, when the peasant is supposed to triumph, they agreed to clean the streets of the district center from snow.
    It was only that the government considered this a non-core activity and counted more taxes, fines and penalties than they earned on it, and then a huge fine was imposed on them for violating the procedure for disposing containers from chemicals.
    So they thought - and sent our state away. They will now be as private individuals, each for himself, albeit poorer, but without hemorrhoids with officials and they do not need any investments in fixed assets.
    As for me personally, I also do not believe in such simple recipes for raising the economy. Swelling money is simple; working out and returning it is much more difficult.
    P, S, Although I can’t look at Ukraine without pain, I recently envied them.
    I, too, would gladly throw officials into the trash can.
    1. Sour
      Sour 29 September 2014 17: 37
      +1
      Quote: Begemot
      I, too, would gladly throw officials into the trash can.

      And if you go there?
      I foresee the answer: "And what for me?"
      That's it. All others are thrown into tanks, but they consider themselves wonderful people. And very useful to society.
      Here on the forum there are 90% of them. Everyone loves to scream - "shoot, plant." But put them themselves against the wall, they will be dressed up from fear. And they will scream that they are not guilty of anything. Everyone is a great judge of others, no one wants to start with themselves.
      Swelling money is simple; working out and returning it is much more difficult.
      I agree with that. But that is a different topic.
      1. zvědavost
        1 October 2014 18: 51
        0
        It was from the statements like "shoot and put" me and shook. I could not resist, I wrote.
    2. Sour
      Sour 29 September 2014 18: 07
      +1
      Quote: Begemot
      It’s just that the state considered this a non-core activity and calculated taxes for them,

      Non-core activities of agricultural producers are subject to taxation on a common basis.
      Everyone is demanding something from the state, but they do not want to pay taxes.
      Quote: Begemot
      fines and penalties

      Surely for late payment of taxes.
      Quote: Begemot
      and then they still got a huge fine for violating the order of utilization of containers from chemicals.

      Is the penalty illegal? Let them challenge in court. And if it’s legal, then do not whine. Ecology is being watched all over the world, why should Russia be an exception? Just because the guys are good?
      He loves the Russian people a mess, oh how he loves! Rather, he loves order, but only so that this order does not concern him, but concerns others.
      Like, I'm a good guy, so I don’t have to pay taxes. Let the state at the expense of others solve its problems.
      This is despite the fact that our income tax rate is the third from the end in Europe. Only Bulgaria and Belarus are lower. But even such a tax has to be paid. "Let his oligarchs pay, and I'm a good guy."
      1. Begemot
        Begemot 1 October 2014 10: 14
        0
        Dear Sour, are you not living in Russia? I will answer in order.
        -Taxes. They have to pay. They were glad to pay, but nothing. If you live in Russia, you must know that it is unrealistic to receive money from the budget on the day of signing the acceptance certificate for the work performed. In the best case, after a quarter, and more often two. Snow is removed until the end of March, the act - the beginning of April - the fact of shipment is recorded. By May, the machinery needs to be repaired before sowing, seeds, fertilizers, fuels and lubricants, all the money has run out, there will be none before the fall, and in the spring it feeds the day. Banks do not give loans to producers (except for agricultural holdings) by conspiracy in banks (personally attended a secret conspiracy). In early July, an unscheduled check-in falls in and they are interested in one document - the state contract (hello, officials). Further you know.
        -ECOLOGY: Of course, I'm not a big specialist in ecology, and I also love pure nature, but some considerations in this case do not allow me to condemn these guys. I will share them: There is no doubt that the barrels of chemicals unloaded at the household yard, as well as the chemical itself, which was distributed over a vast area, did not bring any damage to the environment, this is obvious and undeniable, but empty barrels standing in the same place as the household .door - yes, disaster, completely destroyed the ecosystem, so scary that those who panic, covering their mouths with a wet towel, did not run for 100 km, now walk on 6 legs and eat everything: from cans in a landfill, ending with documents from the archive of the district administration. And, of course, a fine in 500000 p. for villains who have committed such a monstrous crime - just punishment. True, it was possible to forgive a couple of rubles, maybe they turned to an authorized company to take out and dispose of the container, but in doing so go for 150 km for 4 barrels of scrap, but the law does not oblige them. That's all, except for them, the law deprived the right to carry out this work, and they are not obliged to carry out it (it is welcomed, officials).
        Well, about the most beloved. I will not even bother myself with examples and incidents from my life. For 55 years, due to my professional activities, due to the presence of a large number of motorcycles, cars, water equipment and weapons, I have communicated with officials for several lives. I will only remind you that the citizen named on the site Taburetkin and his chicken coop were officials.
        In general, then: Russian officials, showing unprecedented courage and dedication, industriousness and zeal, denying themselves everything and even kantz goods at the expense of their meager salary, constantly forgetting about personal interests, are absolutely honest and disinterested, observing everything to the last letter of the law, working for the good of Russia, for the good of its people, that Russia be an economically powerful state with developed education, science, medicine, culture ..... For which their people love so much.
        Find the mismatch of reality.
        Well, as for judging - dressing up, and "but we are for sho", then I will say this: if it were not for knowledge, perseverance and anger, officials would have long ago been devoured by officials and would have been sitting somewhere in the concierges or watchmen. In my trophy room there are not only moose and wild boars with bears hanging, there are virtual scalps of officials, which I am especially proud of. It's just a pity for the time that I spent on destroying them as officials, knocking over the thresholds of the prosecutor's office and courts, no one will return it to me, and I spent part of my life to extinguish the arrogance of the bureaucrats and force them to comply with the law. That's why I love them dearly.
        1. zvědavost
          1 October 2014 18: 55
          +1
          As a tax consultant with full responsibility, I can tell you that in a small business I have not seen a single person who, before getting involved in any transaction or business, collected the full material, analyzed (even better would have involved a professional), and then already got down to business.
      2. zvědavost
        1 October 2014 18: 52
        0
        As a tax consultant who has been practicing for 10 years, I confirm your words by 100%.
        1. Begemot
          Begemot 3 October 2014 09: 28
          0
          Thank you for your support, zvědavost, and about collecting and analyzing materials and hiring a pro for consultations, there are 2 reasons:
          1. Mostly people who are engaged in business (especially farming) are illiterate, this is not their fault, this is their misfortune. 2. Agree that whistle-blowing with the laws leaves no time to study novels and do something else at the same time.
          As far back as 1995, while talking with one of the authors of the Tax Code, I heard the phrase: do not look for logic in tax legislation. Now - this is the slogan of the State Duma.
          THOSE. they themselves acknowledge that tax legislation is a combination of meaningless phrases that are in no way connected and without logical constructions.
          If this is not done to confuse everyone, then why then !?
    3. CONTROL
      CONTROL 30 September 2014 10: 31
      0
      Cossack wrestler played a cruel joke on the mentality of Ukraine ... yeah, they are not slaves and never were, they are corrupt mercenaries, the whole history of this Ukraine ....
      and the Russians are former serfs ... are they slaves? in old age, I come to the conclusion that the fortress system played a positive role in the history of the country! not without shoals, of course, like all kinds of Saltychs ... but a stable tax influx into the state treasury, the consolidation of people on the earth, reliance on the nobility - landowners ... and so on ... but the serf had more rights than the Polish or the French peasant ... yeomen in England, an analogue of the Cossacks, and sho? .. did it give them much?
  16. 1536
    1536 29 September 2014 11: 47
    +5
    A call for ostrich politics? How can you calmly watch that there is a war going on 600 km (!) From Moscow? And that, we will calmly "invest", and around will explode shells, build concentration camps, etc. Will not work. All this was conceived to slow down the development of Russia. And then, after the so-called "Peace March" in Moscow, can we say with confidence what will happen after, for example, 2018? I would say that, we must understand that we cannot live without a normal Ukraine. It's like an alcoholic neighbor. Either he needs to be brought to his senses, or everything, a quiet prosperous life can be forgotten.
  17. Dobrov
    Dobrov 29 September 2014 11: 49
    +2
    The fifth column must be destroyed, otherwise we will carry the pin_dos on our hump to their bright future. These smelly dollars are worth nothing, so why the ruble is falling against it, because our Central Bank is the Russian branch of the Fed. In vain .....
  18. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 29 September 2014 11: 52
    +3
    The author confuses patriotism (his position on calls to kill the Russians) and the economic component that currently exists in Russia. I think no one will deny that the financial component is the result of many factors, both internal and external. And the position of people expressed by some of our fellow citizens may also be not patriotic in connection with the economic component.
    For example, Makarevich, as a result of the referendum on the annexation of Crimea to Russia, lost his production (his money). Humanly, of course, you can try to understand him, but somehow it does not work out and not because of greed (greed is just his strong point in this situation), but from the fact that he protest with precisely "patriotic" words about love for the Russian covers the people ...
    1. krivdaSPb
      krivdaSPb 29 September 2014 17: 20
      0
      Elegantly said - already on the wave read twice :) Bravo! I will subscribe to each letter :)
  19. Yana Kaverina
    Yana Kaverina 29 September 2014 11: 52
    +6
    “The main means of economic acceleration is the transition to accelerated growth of investments in fixed capital. In the period of 2015-2020, investment growth should be 8% per year, then - 10% per year. The share of investment in GDP should grow from 19% in 2014 to 30% in 2025.
    Investments will go to technological re-equipment of enterprises, launching high-tech industries, creating a developed infrastructure in the form of expressways and high-speed railways, doubling housing and social construction to 2025 year, developing “knowledge economy”, that is, research, education, health, information and biotechnology.

    Elena Alexandrovna, they write about this not only on other sites. The president has been talking about such programs for several years, there are two economic programs of Glazyev, but there is no result. And the reason is not clear, either the president speaks for the talking room, or the state. the apparatus is not at all subordinate to the president. Regarding the fact that the president’s rating is over the top, I disagree at all. The president’s rating began to fall, and at present, only real affairs, mobilization of the country with direct appeals to the people, can raise the rating.
    The real things are urgent deoffsherization, nationalization and development of industry at the same time as the revival of science and education, the purging of power and the elimination of corruption.
    Direct appeals should relate primarily to the situation in Ukraine and the consequences of these events for Russia.
    It is unbearable to endure this bleeding wound inflicted on historically primordial Russian territory, respectively, on Russian ones. The president and the people should unite in the fight against fascism, and exterminate fascism by its own method, because in another way, as we already see it does not work! Not having driven the fascists from the southeast by military means, no economic, scientific programs will help us, Russia will be weakened, bent and squeezed to the last resource, this is the essence of Western capitalism, which is now acting openly through fascism.
  20. provincial
    provincial 29 September 2014 11: 55
    0
    Before "barking" carefully read the article, a different opinion may appear.
  21. Alfizik
    Alfizik 29 September 2014 12: 37
    +2
    The article, although small, is about almost everything. I agree with the author, especially on the question of "the creative impulse (of some commentators) to shit anyone." One has only to point out ... blunders, how immediately the "offended" almost demands satisfaction, is rude, writes in a personal. Looked at the comments of one marshal: not a single smart or even revolutionary idea! Just "hello, Seryoga!", "Hell them!", "I would kick them in the head!", And so on. Many, in my opinion, just sit at the computer and wait for a new article to be the first and get a bunch of advantages. As a rule, the smartest comments appear at the very end, after all the excitement of jingoists and idlers.

    About "forced growth ..." How many times have they told the world! The only good news is that some declared devil knows when thoughts and ideas finally find their application.

    As for gold ... Investment is, of course, great, but, for example, China does not even think to sell it, constantly increasing purchases. And well done! In addition to the fact that gold "does not rust", it also has an absolutely invaluable property-quality-purpose - use in the aircraft of the future. The value of gold is that it is the only material suitable for transforming the space around "plates". Many now smiled ... But the one who laughs well ...
    1. Zuborez
      Zuborez 30 September 2014 05: 39
      0
      The Americans soldered their Apollo with gold, due to their inability to cook titanium at that time. And the plates (and loaves with toilets) were later)).
  22. Igarr
    Igarr 29 September 2014 12: 52
    +8
    Of course, I’m not a deputy ....
    however, from an increase in the marking time in place, the soles only wear out faster and the legs get tired.
    "... the transition to accelerated growth of investments in main capital. "- something a little inspiring such urges.
    Only to the urgent need to update the chair, table and computer. Buy a new tea-coffee-bar-machine.
    Dishwashing, for the secretary.
    And the new (or well-forgotten) GOALS of such investments are not announced.
    When the Union invested in the funds of the means of production. Then to invest in funds of means of consumption. It was clear and understandable why there were no tights, but there were tanks. Why missiles do not fall and lunar tractors drive, and behind the Bulgarian headsets - a queue by appointment. Bulgarian ... where there is no forest.
    ...
    The GDP in the annual message, which will soon be next, says very clever words. Exclusively.
    A - acting - who?
    Никто.
    Until now ..... "it is noted that the President's instructions in May have not yet been fulfilled." May, 2012. What year is it now?
    And all business.
    ...
    ..
    You cannot be a peaceful ruler in Russia. Boris Godunov nobles sent packs to study in Europe.
    He didn’t stab anyone. Threw off ....
    Grozny, Peter the Great, Lenin, Stalin ... tyrants, at least where (well, for liberals, at least).
    But the country was growing. I went into space. From the plow.
    And now - one tolerance around.
    If not for the guys who, at the call of their souls, went to the Donbass ...
    We speak, we speak, we speak ....
    1. DRA-88
      DRA-88 29 September 2014 12: 55
      +2
      Quote: Igarr
      We speak, we speak, we speak ....

      this is such a blah blah blah tactic, and the strategy doesn’t change anything !!!
    2. Johnny51
      Johnny51 29 September 2014 14: 50
      +3
      That's why I - with both hands for totalitarianism, but at least for the monarchy !! As long as the rats pull away everything with impunity with impunity, there is no hope for the development of the economy. Not so much in this we differ from the same Ukraine - the main dividends are sheared by oligarchs ... I don’t know how anyone has, but I have the strongest nostalgia for Stalin.
  23. Yana Kaverina
    Yana Kaverina 29 September 2014 12: 56
    0
    The error of the article lies already in its very title. It is not true and dangerous to separate us and Ukraine. Our enemies have been doing this for many years.
  24. nomad
    nomad 29 September 2014 13: 09
    +3
    Article plus. Discussions in the comments are soberly evaluated. And then there are a lot of "shapkozakidatstva". Especially about Novorossiya. The fact that they "piled on" ukram does not mean that they won. the Ukrainians will gather now, given that the LPR and DPR have little weapons, and they can "heap" - it will not seem a little.
  25. Mestny
    Mestny 29 September 2014 14: 15
    +2
    Quote: nvv
    General-anger. With this it is impossible to defeat the fratricidal war. In V.O.V-it was possible there were not brothers.

    On the contrary.
    Without anger, it is generally impossible to win, no war.
    If the war has already begun, you will have to be angry, purposeful, uncompromising, perhaps ruthless. Otherwise they will crush.
    There is a war against fascism, with another attempt to destroy Russia and the Russians. If a brother has turned into a fascist and wants to kill you and your loved ones - he is no longer brother. He is an enemy, most likely deadly. There can be no compromise with the fascists; they must be destroyed by all means. Including in the part of Internet wars.
    This is the only way to win. Have not yet come up with another recipe.
    1. nvv
      nvv 29 September 2014 17: 25
      0
      Sergey, why let's stupidly cut everyone out, cut down the forest, chips fly.
  26. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 29 September 2014 16: 10
    +1
    I agree with Elena that we need to think about our country and make every effort to grow the economy and the well-being of our people. From this it will be better for our neighbors. Ukraine has already said its word, but Novorossia we need to support, these are Russian people.
  27. Signaller
    Signaller 29 September 2014 19: 16
    0
    According to a joke with a "beard". Why think then ????? SHAKE is necessary. Here they are shaking. No need to think. Shake and that's it. And the Central Bank is shaking the government.
  28. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 29 September 2014 19: 37
    +1
    in his creative impulse to beat anyone and especially those who are intelligent and not prone to verbal and political extremism. This is bad

    This is really bad. But!
    Where did you find creative impulses here, as they say?
    Angry and, in general, fair, reaction is received not by "reasonable and fluffy", but by the frenzied misanthropic and anti-Russian sentiments of the Ukrainian public, authorities and the media.
    Basically, such a reaction goes as a response to the latest facts of atrocities, demon possessions and obvious falsifications of both Ukrainian extremists and Russian provocateurs supporting them.
    By the way, you probably have not read the comments of modern Ukrainian Internet users. Feeling your subtle and unaffected nature, I just don’t recommend going to Ukrainian websites - nightmares and horror will fill your tender soul. What you read about Russians .. about women and children of Russia will beat you off for a long time to reproach a completely adequate Russian-speaking Internet audience.
    I'm not talking about what they write in Ukraine about power in Russia .. I mean the attitude to ordinary Russian people.
  29. vigor1288
    vigor1288 29 September 2014 19: 42
    +1
    Quote: yehat
    about the rationality of the author, I would not rush ...
    it was pointed out that the Academic Council at EP issued its recommendation to expedite investments, but what will happen to them?
    There will be a recurrence of Sochi - a wildly ineffective drank and the combustion of 4/5 potential to nothing.
    Meanwhile, in addition to the lack of funding, there are a bunch of other constraints. The main one in the aggregate is a huge amount of optional costs and it is much more important than the volume of investments. These are taxes, and the abundance of monopolies with their super-profits, and the VAT rate, and the refinancing rate, and much more.

    Repetition of Sochi say? But agree this is not the worst. There are enterprises that have not paid for themselves since the 80s, but at the same time managed not to fall apart in the 90s. It is also necessary to calculate long-term investments.
  30. Arkan
    Arkan 29 September 2014 19: 58
    0
    Good article, thanks to the author! +++
  31. persei
    persei 29 September 2014 22: 18
    0
    She began to repose, ended the article with appeals to strengthen the economy ... It is not clear what I wanted to say ... Either in the first half of the article, or in the conclusion. As I read the comments to the article on the atrocities of dill I read the comment: - "... it's not a woman's business to understand everything ...".
    He replied that the women of Donetsk and Lugansk, too, at the beginning considered ... this was not a female affair.
  32. SLAVON
    SLAVON 29 September 2014 22: 26
    +1
    I went to the Ukrainian site, so there every comment is like this: So you can’t wind it up and everything will not work back.
    After what I saw, I have only one desire - I want to see the black charred corpses of admirers of the Russian World. I want to see the bodies of Orthodox Russian heroes torn apart by the explosion. I want Putin to tear off his legs. I want to see the brains of the goat-lord Lavrov lying separately from his head. I dream to see Zhirinovsky with his own intestines on his neck. I want to see Naryshkin crushed by a tank. I want to see Churkin's head cut off by a fragment. Hanged in a tree Shoigu in full uniform and Orthodox fascist Okhlobystin in a cassock - what could be more beautiful! I want to see the crowd tear the bodies of Matvienko and Gundyaev to pieces. I want to see how the raven fights for the languages ​​of the corpses of Solovyov and Ernst ...
    I want to see the smoking ruins of Russian cities, columns of refugees wandering along the dusty roads with black faces.
    Patriots of Russia! Politicians of Russia! Journalists of Russia! The soldiers of Russia!
    Do not be afraid. No need to think.
    Do not be horrified by the work of their hands.
  33. vigor1288
    vigor1288 29 September 2014 22: 59
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    Very reminiscent of Ukraine
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltEwy-QdxJE
  34. cloud
    cloud 29 September 2014 23: 45
    +1
    Brothers are not brothers and this is about Ukrainians.
    For me, Ukrainians are:
    - fascists (implacable enemies)
    - sympathizing with the fascists (traitors, Judas)
    - haters of the fascists (brothers in spirit)

    And what about the Ukrainians as one people, their spirit is completely different, which has made them irreconcilable with each other for a long time, and we all talk about them as a single people, brothers, brothers, and brothers, but not all.
    New Russia, here is my joy and sorrow, that’s for whom the soul hurts.
  35. yvk-evg
    yvk-evg 30 September 2014 05: 12
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    What kind of brothers are they on the outskirts of the Ruin ??? If they are brothers, then who are OURS, RUSSIAN Tatars, Bashkirs, Yakuts, Nenets, Buryats, Dagestanis, etc. to me?! Here they are my brothers - with them I am fighting side by side and fighting for Russia, and building Russia, and freezing snot in the North (I work there now) for Russia (or is it for the "national treasure" - Gazprom?), And I endure the liberal bastard in power !!! If they are not my brothers, then WHO ??? I'm sick of this whining - even though they are maydanuvshie, but brothers are still ... They are not my brothers, they are not brothers !!! They are a part of me, a part of my body, a part of my Russian body, they just inflamed like an appendix, like a stinking gas gangrene, like a scabby scab on my body! And I need to scrape off this scab, cut out this appendix, in the end, amputate this gangrene, otherwise I risk not only infecting my really brothers, but also become a continuous scab or gangrene myself and ... Then it's scary and think about what will happen to me and to the real brothers!
    Therefore, I will not tire of repeating that Russia, in any prospect, at least distant, at least short-term, is MANDATORY to liquidate this infection, unprecedented in history, using at least economic, at least diplomatic, military, at least carcass methods !!!
  36. Prussian
    Prussian 30 September 2014 08: 24
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    a woman in politics and business is more unprincipled and insidious than a man, My deep conviction that a public woman is a devilish craft. It does not matter sport, politics, art or prostitution. The health of society can be judged by the role that women play in it, the more this the role of society is not adequate. Take care of women.
  37. kolyasha19rus
    kolyasha19rus 30 September 2014 10: 05
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    Oh, I look now fashion has gone new men to discuss. They say the men went unsuitable. They like sofa more than army. GO TO CHERA, Madame! This is a war of stereotypes. And, I see you are a successful target audience.
    As for the rest, the government itself will sort out its problems. And believe me, there are no fools sitting there. Even because they are sitting there. And we, the simple people can only comment on articles on the subject of what is happening.
    P.S. And it is not necessary to say that your (or someone else's) opinion of someone "THERE" at the top is interested and someone "THERE" at the top listens to him. They are there from the buza of the people emanating violent orgasm, and you here "express your opinion"
  38. sanyavolhv
    sanyavolhv 30 September 2014 17: 45
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    health
    she calls.
    I urge not to shake up and not to assess other people's mistakes, but to think about the future of the country. To think about how you can personally help the country to develop and strengthen.

    unfortunately she forgot, a genius to learn from the mistakes of others ...
    is she against the Russian geniuses? Of course, a genius must first learn to analyze his mistakes .... many young people sin this, such a psychological feature of young maximalism .... BUT I APPROVE other people's mistakes it is necessary to analyze.
    to offer something sensible without analyzing your own and FOREIGN mistakes, DO NOT GET !!!
    girl try to think for yourself. but somehow it gives propaganda from the TV box.
  39. cloud
    cloud 30 September 2014 19: 57
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    Well, men are women, brothers are not brothers ...

    There are two truths - man and the Creator.

    Human truth divides the world according to the flesh i.e. on men and women, brothers and not brothers ...

    The truth of the Creator divides the world in spirit, that is, into good and evil, light and darkness.

    But good and evil are irreconcilable among all ages, and each human heart itself chooses what it suits its heart.

    And do not philosophize who is who, according to their deeds, you will recognize them (criterion for determining everything that happens)
    But there is no gray light in the spiritual world, just as there are no slightly evil and slightly good.
    When the moment of truth comes (difficulties associated with mortal risk), a person always chooses what is hidden in his heart.
    And this is not politics, but simply the truth.
  40. cloud
    cloud 30 September 2014 21: 35
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    And yet, only spiritually strong people can oppose themselves to mortal evil, and these people are militias.

    And who does not understand that fascism is evil for all mankind, he carries a threat to those around him. And these are not slogans. In 1941-1945. people passed this lesson and no one had a desire to re-educate the Nazis, and you know why, but because a fascist will never become a human being, he lives with hatred, anger and revels in human pain, his god is Satan. After 1945, how many years have passed, and some of the fascists repented? Look, they showed their natural appearance again, marching, boasting of their "great victories", but did they kill dozens, like in Odessa, hundreds of thousands of people ... And what should be done with this, show tolerance for dissidents?