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Interview with Pavel Gubarev

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Interview with Pavel GubarevPavel Gubarev gave a detailed interview in which he spoke about what is really happening in the region today, about the Minsk agreement and betrayal, Russian nationalism, the reasons that caused Strelkov to refuse to continue the struggle, and many other things. "

- What is happening in the Donbas?

- PG: A humanitarian catastrophe occurs. The truce of the Ukrainian side is not respected. To my great regret, because a peaceful resolution of the issue is always better than war.

- How do you rate the Minsk Agreement?

- PG: The implementation of the peace plan was to begin with a cease-fire. We see the signed agreement - you can criticize it, you can treat it differently, but even it is not respected. This time. The second. People of Donbass proclaimed independence. The people of Donbass in the referendum supported the declaration of sovereignty. People Donbass took in their hands weapon and protect their land. Shed their blood. And in the agreement it is written about Lugansk and Donetsk region, some budget preferences, local elections. This is all not relevant. If we are talking about negotiations, then, in my deep conviction, they should be equal, and they should start with the recognition of the independent status of the territories of the DPR and the LPR. But in principle, I have always been in favor of resolving the conflict peacefully.

- The agreement was signed at the time of the successful offensive of the militia. How correct was it at that moment?

- PG: People in social networks call this a betrayal. People can understand. They both feel and write. I say: many points of the Minsk Agreement are irrelevant. His signing was untimely. It is clear that Ukraine considers the Donbass its territory. But she does not control this territory. And the people do not defend the region - they protect the people's republics proclaimed and confirmed in referendums. Therefore, the point of recognition of the independence of these republics should be the starting point of negotiations.

- Do you know who was behind this agreement?

- PG: No.

- You met Strelkov. What did they talk about? What impression did he make on you?

- PG: First - no comment. I have one impression of Strelkov. This is a very ideological person, a true patriot of Russia, Novorossia, a big Russia and, more broadly, the Russian world. I have only a positive attitude towards him.

- Why did Strelkov leave Donetsk? Was it a decision or an order? What kind of forces acted against him?

- PG: Some forces acted. I am not a supporter of conspiracy. But from the point of view of logic, everything is extremely simple. Therefore, I will not comment. To what Strelkov himself said, I have nothing to add.

- Is it true that during his visit to Donetsk, Kurginyan received a face from someone from the militia?

- PG: No, nobody beat him. This is a lie. Moreover, the Vostok battalion ensured its security. On the other hand, nothing threatened him there. And there was no such task before us. If it’s about me, I’m an intelligent person. We are all polite people.

- How do you feel about the new leadership of the DNI?

- PG: Prime Minister Alexander Zakharchenko from the first days of the revolution led the battalion "Oplot". Fighters respect him. Vladimir Petrovich Kononov (Minister of Defense) - brigade leader. Although he is not a military man, he possesses an excellent military sense and, as his colleagues say, a “military farce”. He has a good reputation as a military leader.

- Personally, there are a lot of rumors about you too. For example, that you were in RNE Barkashov. It's true?

- PG: I have several times visited military-patriotic camps that were organized including with the assistance of this organization. This was the case in 1999, I was only 17 years old. I have never had any formal membership in RNU.

- Where were these camps located?

- PG: On the Ukrainian and Russian territory. These were military-patriotic gatherings, with military instructors, drill, tactical training, training. We do not teach anything in the army. Therefore, this knowledge needed to be obtained somewhere. And they are now useful.

- So you already in 17 years planned to participate in some kind of armed struggle?

- PG: Every man should be a warrior. His holy duty is to protect his land. Military skills are required. I am an adherent of urgent service. A man only becomes a real man when he served in the army. Every man should serve. In addition, he should be brought up as a man. A man should be manly, and a woman should be feminine. Therefore, young men should devote to military training. In 16 – 18 years this is necessary.

- Did you serve in the army?

- PG: No.

- Почему?

—P.G .: They do not teach anything in the army. In those years when I was supposed to be drafted into the Ukrainian army, I studied at the university. Students then in the army did not take. And the desire was absent. Because in our army, soldiers build generals for dachas, and do not learn to fight. In the military-patriotic camps, I gained more knowledge and skills.

- What is your attitude to the ideology of the RNE?

- PG: In 17 years, I didn’t understand much about ideology. Although in general I can be called a Russian nationalist. However, with a caveat: my understanding of Russian nationalism is the same as in Dostoevsky, for example. This is not ethnic nationalism.

- When did you start politics?

- PG: Pretty early. In 23, I was already elected a member of the district council from the Natalia Vitrenko bloc. Started to work. But soon he resigned deputy powers. Because it was impossible to look at the power that was then. I couldn’t do anything to change the situation. In 2008, I stopped politics. Then I had one son, a second, a daughter was born, I went to business. You had to make money.

- What was your business?

- PG: Advertising.

- They say that you still protected the monuments to Soviet soldiers as a child?

- PG: My grandfather and I once walked along the Walk of Fame. I was a schoolboy then, I don’t remember how old I was. I saw that a number of surnames had been cleared from the monument to the soldiers of the Great Patriotic War. The letters were copper. Grandpa explained to me that the marauders did this in order to sell these letters like non-ferrous metal. We made the missing letters of foam, painted and glued. Then they reported the problem to the executive committee.

- How did you become a national governor?

- PG: In the situation after Maidan in Donetsk, I decided to take on such responsibility. I thwarted the plans of the oligarchs, who wanted to straddle the popular protest and "merge" it. People after the coup had very strong protest moods. People began to gather in groups. I monitored these groups in order to identify the most promising people, the real ones, who are ready to go into confrontation with the security forces. Then we still had the police, special services, oligarchs. Representatives of Akhmetov ran around and wanted to buy everyone. Akhmetov paid money, instead of shouting “Russia! Russia! ”Whispered“ federalization ”,“ fiscal autonomy ”and so on. Akhmetov himself has already seen the governor. His goal was to protect his business, remove Taruta and take his place himself. Then they came up with a plan "people's governor Levchenko." Levchenko is Akhmetov's six. This plan we thwarted March 1. (1 March 2014 of the year at a rally of pro-Russian citizens in Donetsk Gubarev was elected "people's governor". - Author.)

- Did Moscow somehow finance these movements or were they spontaneous? Has this protest been financed by Akhmetov, the son of Yanukovich or someone else?

- PG: The protest was really spontaneous. Akhmetov financed only those forces that opposed us. He gave money and said: "Do not make noise!" They took the money and did not make noise. I managed to pull out those who did not take the money, and said: “No, we will make noise”. We united, became the people's militia of Donbass and did what we did. Yes, Akhmetov financed, but he paid for the fact that people were inactive.

- What purpose did you and your associates initially set for themselves? Reunion with Russia?

- PG: Independence from Ukraine. In any form. But first of all we set the task to hold a referendum. Because the people must choose for themselves: independence, accession to Russia, a federation or confederation with Ukraine. But there were no counter-offers from Kiev. They are still talking about a united Ukraine. Even the word "federalization" is not pronounced. In the same place, elections are on the nose, it’s not fashionable to talk about federalization ...

- Now they offer a special status for individual areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

- PG: Nonsense. It does not suit us. I read the documents. There are very vague wording. But in the end, everything will be dictated by a parliamentary majority, which will never be pro-Russian. Everything will be decided by the government in Kiev. Ukraine will either be divided and weakened, or it will be the enemy of Russia and all Russian. Including the residents of the temporarily occupied regions of New Russia.

- Do you think that united Ukraine will always be the enemy of Russia?

- PG: Yes. Therefore, it will not. A single pro-Russian Ukraine is impossible because of the impossibility of winning the elections of the pro-Russian forces. They are not in Ukraine. And those who could compose them all sit in prisons or killed. Or there will be a single Ukraine - a strong enemy of Russia, or a pro-Russian New Russia and the rest of Ukraine, hostile to Russia, but impoverished and weak. Ukraine without a big Novorossia will never fight with Russia.
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  1. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 27 September 2014 06: 41
    +5
    Six months was spent on brainwashing the TV, which means the same amount is needed for transcoding.
    Watching TV like a ram - where they will lead there and go.
    So, if the junta is overthrown, in half a year Ukraine will become pro-Russian.
    1. Owl27
      Owl27 27 September 2014 06: 48
      +12
      23 years were spent on "brainwashing", let's see how long it takes for enlightenment.
      1. Ivan Tarasov
        Ivan Tarasov 27 September 2014 06: 56
        0
        Quote: Owl27
        23 years were spent on "brainwashing", let's see how long it takes for enlightenment.

        Half a year.
      2. mist4
        mist4 27 September 2014 08: 43
        +9
        23 years old, the same TV has imposed these figures on you. For example, in the 80s, the pigs slaughtered on the shingles were beaten up by the unknowing Ukrainian, the DOG MOVA, and they ALSO talked about this on the TV, ONLY YOU SURELY BEEN ALREADY UNDER THE TABLE WRITTEN.
        23 YEARS UNDERSTAND ....
      3. ZVEROBOY
        ZVEROBOY 27 September 2014 12: 53
        +5
        Quote: Owl27
        23 years were spent on "brainwashing", let's see how long it takes for enlightenment.

        One fierce winter will be enough!
        1. Separatist
          Separatist 28 September 2014 13: 11
          +1
          That's right, St. John's wort)
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 27 September 2014 09: 51
      +2
      Words are not a boy, but a husband.
      1. kodxnumx
        kodxnumx 27 September 2014 12: 32
        +2
        New Russia should be with the capital in Kiev! And it will be, after all, Kievan Rus has not been canceled.
        1. Separatist
          Separatist 28 September 2014 13: 16
          +2
          Kiev cloaca, Gotham Ukraine. Why do we need to feed obese critters? We don't need Kiev. I recall the cries at the rally: "Slavyansk is the capital of Novorossiya!" It sounded fun (especially for us Slavyantsev), but stupid repeat
          But the question is really interesting, because the capital of New Russia should be ..
        2. Sandov
          Sandov 28 September 2014 15: 36
          +3
          PG: Yes. Therefore, it will not be. A single pro-Russian Ukraine is impossible because of the impossibility of victory in the elections of pro-Russian forces. They are not in Ukraine. And those who could make them all are in prison or killed. Or there will be a united Ukraine - a strong enemy of Russia, or pro-Russian Novorossia and the rest of Ukraine, hostile to Russia, but poor and weak. Ukraine without big New Russia will never fight with Russia.
          New Russia to be. Otherwise, human sacrifices will be in vain. Well, I do not. Death to the Nazis. Long live New Russia.
      2. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 27 September 2014 13: 12
        +3
        A single pro-Russian Ukraine is impossible because of the impossibility of victory in the elections of pro-Russian forces. They are not in Ukraine. And those who could make them all are in prison or killed.
        Or there will be a united Ukraine - a strong enemy of Russia, or pro-Russian Novorossia and the rest of Ukraine, hostile to Russia, but poor and weak.
        Ukraine without big New Russia will never fight with Russia. (Pavel Gubarev, People's Governor of the DPR)


        !!!!! Correctly understands the situation Pavel Gubarev.
        The issue of a single, integral Ukraine should be closed, due to the large mass of Svidomo in Ukraine.
        Under no circumstances, even in the case of Victory over the Bandera fascists, the preservation of a united Ukraine should not take place.
        Otherwise, Russia will inevitably face a war from the "Ukraine", under the slogan sounded in the Crimea, in the ranks of "Ukrainian" warriors, in Belbek - "America is with us".
        It is necessary to separate the historical Russian Novorossiya from "Ukraine". And this will be done by the people of Novorossiya, Russia only needs to be supported. Otherwise, there will be a big trouble for the entire Russian World.
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  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 27 September 2014 06: 54
    +9
    - Do you think that united Ukraine will always be the enemy of Russia?

    - P.G.: Yes. Therefore, it will not be. A united pro-Russian Ukraine is impossible due to the impossibility of winning the elections for pro-Russian forces. They are not in Ukraine. And those who could compose them are all in jail or killed. Or there will be a united Ukraine - a strong enemy of Russia, or a pro-Russian Novorossia and the rest of Ukraine, hostile to Russia - here it is difficult not to agree with P. Gubarev, and you are not right. Ivan Tarasov, what nafig six months? what kind of baby talk? it has been cultivated, nurtured and matured for decades! Well, overthrow the "junta", then what? what with the rest of the population, which hates us to do? also "overthrow"? requesthate, like love, is a strong feeling, and it does not go away "once" ...
    1. kyznets
      kyznets 27 September 2014 12: 14
      +4
      I agree with Andrey Yuryevich. There will be no, impossible, pro-Russian Ukraine united, or federal. Indeed, there is so much hatred and disdain for Russia, for tens of years, if not hundreds. What half a year? And what happened is actually a tracing paper from a Russian proverb: "What is on the mind of a sober man is on his tongue!" and "If God wants to punish someone, then he deprives him of reason." Well, after all, all this was both before the revolution, and under Soviet rule, and after "gaining independence" by fraternal (namely, fraternal without quotation marks, as we Russians were sure) republics. And now this deep hatred (or envy) has come out in disgusting leaps, threats, insults on the Maidan, then calls for Europe and America to "put Russia in its place", to destroy Russians and Russia. And most importantly, who started it? "Great nation"? For more than twenty years they have been using cheap Russian gas, living at the expense of Russia, and visiting us to work. And now they expect to enter the European Union and use us "fraternally" already from the European Union, in a European way. Ukraine - Central Europe? Present-day Ukraine is Europe's dirty piggy ass * with a crooked tail that constantly revolves. Now it is being decided who will be with Russia, and who will grunt the glory of Europe. THEY dug, bombed, jumped, hated a huge border ditch between us. And this is not for years already. It will remain in hearts like a big wound - a torn piece. We will not swear that we will not forgive, the Germans, Hungarians, Romanians, Poles, Swedes, French and Americans have been forgiven. But we can hardly forget how our trust, our friendship, our kindred unity, for European promises, petty handouts, have been trampled into the mud.
  3. Hleb
    Hleb 27 September 2014 06: 57
    +4
    Every man must be a warrior. His holy duty is to protect his land. Military skills are needed. I am a supporter of urgent service. A man only becomes a real man when he served in the army. Every man should serve.


    Have you served in the army?
    - Нет.
    - Почему?
    - They don’t teach anything in the army. Yes, and there was no desire

    by the time he was thirty, he had become a man, or gained knowledge and skills in military-patriotic camps.
    1. creak
      creak 27 September 2014 10: 35
      +1
      But did you serve in the army? ”“ No. ”“ Why? ”“ They don’t teach anything in the army. Yes, and there was no desire


      Interesting logic - I did not serve in the army, but I know that they do not teach anything there ... How then does he know this? From those who also did not serve, but they know that they do not serve in the army, but build summer cottages ... Participation in the war in "Zarnitsa" turns out to give more skills than army service - I believe that those who went through a real army school, including mine colleagues, will not agree with this, to put it mildly, superficial judgment. Maybe the whole point is that as it turns out there was simply no desire to serve ...
      1. Altona
        Altona 27 September 2014 11: 55
        +4
        Quote: ranger
        Participation in the war in "Zarnitsa" turns out to give more skills than army service - I believe that those who have gone through a real army school, including my colleagues, will not agree with such, to put it mildly, superficial judgment. Maybe the whole point is that as it turns out there was simply no desire to serve ...

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        And in my opinion, the interview is sensible and honest ... The man took off a number of questions and understatements ... And the fact that the RNU of the 90s is by no means the current Russian Natsiks walking in the same column with 3,14 darasy .. .And that military training took place in the camps is also okay ... The army still annoys for half a year, then a year of routine work, then half a year of waiting for DMB ... At least, the person honestly highlighted his point of view on a number questions that many have asked ...
  4. yana532912
    yana532912 27 September 2014 07: 01
    +11
    Quote: Ivan Tarasov
    So, if the junta is overthrown, in half a year Ukraine will become pro-Russian.

    Ukraine will never become loyal to the Russian Federation, only the dismemberment and collapse of the country will clear its mind of dope. In another way.
  5. Observer2014
    Observer2014 27 September 2014 07: 04
    +7
    I want to quote one gaddy poem: Not when we will not be brothers ... There is no Ukrainian nationality and not when there was not, a fictitious and artificially made country. All the so-called Ukrainians are Russian people with brainwashed. I really want to make in Russia census after all these events and see who else calls himself a Ukrainian !?
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 27 September 2014 07: 07
      0
      even those born in Russia are called and will be called. and there are a huge number of them. There is nothing terrible in this.
      why a similar question does not arise in relation to the Germans because of fascism, or to the Chechens because you yourself know whom and why
  6. shishakova
    shishakova 27 September 2014 07: 08
    +7
    Pavel Gubarev is an honest, educated person, and he said everything was absolutely correct.
  7. saksan
    saksan 27 September 2014 07: 14
    +4
    The task is not an easy one. There is no unity in Novorossia, and the signatories in Minsk took advantage of this. Gangs of the junta do everything possible, through their crimes, to unite the DPR and LPR in an independent state. Only this understanding of unity comes at a very high price.
  8. sv68
    sv68 27 September 2014 07: 46
    +2
    well, mister people's governor — if you have at least a drop of real power rather than fake power — act! create adequate governing and control bodies and stop this squabble for armchairs. and if you don’t have any power at all, you’ll protect your hands Territorial integrity of New Russia
  9. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 27 September 2014 08: 08
    +4
    but poor and weak. Ukraine without big New Russia will never fight with Russia. Gubarev

    It depends on what angle to look at. In the rain of American loans, the German economy from 1933 quickly grew to the economy of 1939 and WWII began. History is sometimes repeated.
  10. Explore
    Explore 27 September 2014 09: 48
    +5
    The Ministry of Education and Science of the DPR, on behalf of the Government, began to pay material assistance for September to workers of education and science in the city of Donetsk. The first to receive it were the workers of schools and kindergartens of the Petrovsky district, one of the most affected during the ongoing shelling by Ukrainian punishers. Today, funding is expected in the Proletarian and partially in the Kiev districts of Donetsk. In addition, from yesterday a similar process was launched in the leading universities of the Republic. The first to receive the money were the workers of Donetsk State University of Management and Donetsk National University. In DonSUU in the process of issuing material assistance, the employee participated in the Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the DPR, Alexander Karaman, Minister of Education and Science Igor Kostenok and First Deputy Minister Larisa Polyakova. Answering the questions of the university staff, some of which did not hide their pleasant surprise, Alexander Karaman noted that this is “the first stage of establishing a peaceful life, a full-fledged educational process, in which both teachers and students themselves were very homesick.” We pay special attention to the fact that these payments are not salaries in the usual sense. According to Minister Igor Kostenka: “This is only the small part that we are here and now able to provide for people who have not received a penny in two, or three months. Such payments are made in order to support our employees, to stimulate them by the beginning of the new school year. ” The priority of issuing assistance to one or another educational institution depends only on the timely submission of an application to the Ministry of Education and Science. Financing of the educational sphere in this way will pass throughout the liberated territory of the Republic and will not be limited to just a number of major cities.
    Source: http://dnr.today/news/v-dnr-nachalis-vyplaty-uchitelyam/ | DNR Press Center © http://dnr.today
  11. Explore
    Explore 27 September 2014 10: 26
    +3
    In many cities of the Donetsk People's Republic, the situation has become typical that the military authorities take on the functions of local governments and are engaged in solving purely civil local problems. In this respect, Yasinovataya is no exception. Today, in this city for military commandant’s office, one of the most important and urgent tasks is preparing for the heating season. It is necessary to do everything necessary as soon as possible so that the inhabitants of the city, which suffered significant damage from shelling of the Kiev regime, did not remain in their homes in winter without heat, light, water, gas. As the assistant to the military commandant Yasinovataya Vladimir Tkachenko told the DPR State News Agency, a meeting was recently held at the commandant’s office, at which heads and experts of all enterprises providing vital functions of the municipal communal infrastructure were invited. From that moment, all these services began to work centrally, according to a single plan. Measures have been outlined to ensure the smooth operation of all communications. There is a need to relocate the townspeople, whose housing was severely damaged, and therefore there are problems with its heat supply, in comfortable hostels. A separate question is about houses with stove heating. Now there is a reception of applications from residents to issue them household fuel. In the near future, railroad cars will arrive in Yasinovataya with coal, which will be distributed to the population, budgetary organizations and institutions. Volunteers are involved in receiving applications from citizens in need of household fuel.
    Source: http://dnr.today/news/yasinovataya-gotovitsya-k-otopitelnomu-sezonu/ | DNR Press Center © http://dnr.today
  12. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 27 September 2014 10: 30
    +2
    Hello! SUCCESS IN THE INDEPENDENCE OF NEW RUSSIA !!! hi
  13. Explore
    Explore 27 September 2014 10: 48
    +2
    In the Donetsk People’s Republic, the process of the full formation of the republic’s healthcare system is ongoing. This was at a briefing in the Ministry of Information and Communications Minister of Health of the DPR Andrei Prutskikh. “Our tasks are more global than they were before the Ministry of Health of Ukraine and the former regional department,” he said. Almost all departments of the department, which are located in the liberated territories, are now functioning for the benefit of the residents of the republic. “This also applies to the pharmacy network, preventive medicine, the service of the former sanitary-epidemiological station,” said Andrei Prutskikh. Today in medical institutions of the DPR there is a process of separation of individual services. First of all, we started reforming the pediatric service. “We distinguish it into a separate system of outpatient care, independent children's hospitals and ending with the Republican Clinical Children's Hospital,” said the head of the medical department of the DPR.
    Source: http://dnr.today/news/v-dnr-idet-planomernoe-formirovanie-sistemy-zdravooxraneni
    ya / | DNR Press Center © http://dnr.today
    1. Tambov
      Tambov 28 September 2014 09: 10
      0
      Boris (Bora),
      Once again, special respect for always excellent comments!
      It is a pity that the vast majority of users (talkers and demogogs, as well as just minors of daddy computers), reap that they do not learn from your additions.
      Oh, well ...
  14. divangeneral
    divangeneral 27 September 2014 11: 04
    0
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    - Do you think that united Ukraine will always be the enemy of Russia?

    - P.G.: Yes. Therefore, it will not be. A united pro-Russian Ukraine is impossible due to the impossibility of winning the elections for pro-Russian forces. They are not in Ukraine. And those who could compose them are all in jail or killed. Or there will be a united Ukraine - a strong enemy of Russia, or a pro-Russian Novorossia and the rest of Ukraine, hostile to Russia - here it is difficult not to agree with P. Gubarev, and you are not right. Ivan Tarasov, what nafig six months? what kind of baby talk? it has been cultivated, nurtured and matured for decades! Well, overthrow the "junta", then what? what with the rest of the population, which hates us to do? also "overthrow"? requesthate, like love, is a strong feeling, and it does not go away "once" ...


    it is necessary to create conditions for the separation from Ukraine of Galicia to Europe. along with Galicia, many maidanuts fade from the country
    it will be a very big step to cleanse Ukraine from Svidomo
  15. saag
    saag 27 September 2014 11: 30
    +2
    Quote: divangeneral
    fade with Galicia

    Galicia has nothing to do with it, everyone who moves real politics in Ukraine is sitting in Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk, Galicia is cannon fodder
  16. pahom54
    pahom54 27 September 2014 13: 09
    +2
    "... If we are talking about negotiations, then, in my deep conviction, they should be parity, and they should begin with the recognition of the independent status of the territories of the DPR and LPR" ...

    Obviously, the negotiations were worthless, and only caused harm to New Russia.
    Gubarev is right - there will never be a single pro-Russian Ukraine, no matter how much he wants, the peasant really thinks ... Therefore, fate is now at stake, the preservation of the pro-Russian New Russia, which needs to be helped, helped and helped, and also officially recognized, but soon. ..

    But in general, a young, clever man ... If there were more of them, not only in Russia or Novorossiya, people would be warmer, sincere and easier to live ...