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Lumpen-kreakliat and the sociology of the Moscow riot

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Passed on the weekend march evromo Muscovites in support of Euro-Ukrainians and against Novorossia with Russia should be considered not only in the ideological and political, but also in a sociological context.

Actually, what happened on September 9, 21 on Moscow streets, is senseless to analyze as a completed political action or an independent act.

This is just a maneuver - the first training session of working with a new type of society, which will soon be formed in Moscow. And this society should be considered only in the context of economic changes, which inevitably await the Russian and federal economies.

Crowd sociology

So, from a sociological point of view, yesterday’s march of Euromussians is the march of the unemployed and declassed tomorrow.

Because the change of the socio-economic model and the integration turn towards Asia will inevitably lead to mass unemployment among the creative class and pushing office workers to the streets.

This is how a new social group, the Moscow lumpen-creacliat, is formed. With an iPhone, account, fashionable bangs, credit "Honda", but hungry and without a real profession.

Each revoked license from another financial speculation bank is a new thousand to the crowd of lumpen-creacliat.

Each prohibited item to be imported from Western and Central Europe is just a few unemployed managers who hate the Kremlin and Putin personally.

Every closed NGO and media with foreign capital is an agitator of rebellion.

The sanctions war, which the US plays in Russia, is in fact being waged not in an economic, but in a public space. And under the blow of sanctions, the Moscow society is first of all — because no one is so integrated into the world economy as the Moscow middle and premium class is integrated into it. Moreover, it is integrated at all levels: from consumer loans, food, clothing - and ending with a currency bank card and holiday in Spain.

Sociology of the elite

The Moscow bourgeoisie and financial speculators and intermediaries, who in the course of building a sovereign economy of an industrial type and an integration turn into Asia, will simply be left without the usual super incomes should be considered a social group that will become an investor in the rebellion. The financial and exchange business under the “took under 3% in Austria, sold under 12% in Russia” scheme is already ending. Very soon, the exchange stratum of the Moscow elites will face not even financial, but criminal problems.

Therefore, the elite expect a split in the stockbrokers and industrialists. The state, naturally, will come out in support of industrialists - because the state will have no other choice. And in this case, the exchange elites also have no choice but to oppose the state.

Sociology of the state apparatus

Considering that the state apparatus of modern Russia is integrated with the business elites according to the Euro-Atlantic scheme, when it is difficult to understand where the official ends and where the entrepreneur begins, a split into stock and industrial elites will occur at the level of the state apparatus.

And if in the regions mainly industrial-oriented officials are represented, then just in Moscow one can expect a bitter struggle for power on the part of stockbrokers.

The stratum of officials focused on the emission-exchange model of the economy will be the link between the elites who are ready to finance the rebellion, and the crowd of lumpen-creacliats ready to take to the streets to preserve the current socio-economic model of Moscow.

At the same time, you should not discard the 90's, driven into the shadows, but not destroyed by the elites, which, in fact, are the vehicles of the emission-exchange model of the economy. In a conflict within the Moscow society, the elite 90's will see their chance for revenge.

... So street riots in Moscow will be. But not because of Ukraine, Putin and New Russia. And because the socio-economic model of Moscow is flawed and parasitic. Therefore, there will be dances, and horse racing, and creative protest. The buildup will not be fast, but with each new economic decision in favor of restoring industrial-industrial sovereignty, new declassed elements will be added to the Moscow streets. Which simply did not have a place in the new Russia (at least in the same role).

Therefore, the answer to Moscow’s Maidan lies not so much in the plane of the special services as in the plane of the social structure of Moscow.

The state needs to play preemptively and set the parameters of a new society so that each new representative of the lumpen-creacliat has the opportunity to find himself in new socio-economic coordinates. In the end, the majority of our fellow citizens, who may become the fuel for the Moscow riot, are not subjects, but objects of politics and often do not even understand what political forces are driven by them. The illusion of protest is best destroyed by the possibility of choosing a new socialization, and not by police methods. The destructive energy of the crowd can be directed to the creative direction of large-scale government projects. Only for this, the state will have to prove that the new economy and the new society are serious and for a long time - and present a new type of citizen. This type, which should be guided by those who are lost in the new socio-economic conditions.
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  1. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 28 September 2014 06: 40
    +66
    Lumpen - creakliat ... The normal name for
    cattle, imagining himself an elite!
    It should be noted that these new lumpen have no
    habits to work, so do not make new ones
    citizens!
    My opinion: a suitcase, a station, ... a collective farm!
    And subsequent occupational therapy!
    PS Many of them will undergo occupational therapy in the camp ...
    (not pioneer!)
    1. Cormorants
      Cormorants 28 September 2014 07: 36
      +24
      I support, only by labor can a person be cured, all the dirt scraped out.
      1. Enot-poloskun
        Enot-poloskun 28 September 2014 09: 53
        +40
        The medicine was invented by Mao:

        - send office plankton for re-education in the village!

        Free fresh air, nature, chicken cows ... Ecology!

        At the same time, we will strengthen food security!

        I myself work in the agricultural sector and I know how much labor is needed to expand production.
        1. Balbes_I
          Balbes_I 28 September 2014 10: 13
          +11
          Many working hands are required wherever outside the capitals, there are still a lot of construction projects so that we have many more vacancies than representatives of the Lumpen creacliat.
        2. Normal
          Normal 28 September 2014 11: 29
          -14
          Quote: AlNikolaich
          name for
          cattle ...
          ...Dont Have
          habits to work, so do not make new ones
          citizens!
          My opinion: a suitcase, a station, ... a collective farm!
          And subsequent occupational therapy!
          PS Many of them will undergo occupational therapy in the camp ...
          (not pioneer!)

          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          The medicine was invented by Mao:

          - send office plankton for re-education in the village!

          Free fresh air, nature, chicken cows ... Ecology!

          At the same time, we will strengthen food security!


          This has already happened

          At the first stage, all residents of the cities were evicted to the countryside


          Next
          the ban on foreign languages ​​and books, the liquidation of commodity-money relations .... the ban on schools and universities, the physical destruction of officials .... the former regime at all levels.
          .... over two million people were evicted, and it was not allowed to take anything with them. “In accordance with the order, all residents were obliged to leave the city. It was forbidden to take food and things. Those who refused to obey orders or hesitated were killed and shot ....

          Higher forms of cooperatives were created all over the country, in which people driven out of cities in difficult conditions were engaged in low-skilled physical labor. People worked with primitive tools or manually for 12-16 hours a day ....
          Teachers, doctors, priests, and the intelligentsia were destroyed (anyone who wore glasses, read books, knew a foreign language, wore decent clothes, in particular of European style), as well as those suspected of having connections with the previous government or foreign governments, were considered intellectuals. It was forbidden to write and read.

          tourweek.ru/guide/different/231668/

          the death toll amounted to 2 people, including 746 peasants, 105 monks, 1 representatives of national minorities, 927 workers, employees and representatives of other professions, about 061 writers and journalists .... 25 people went missing and either died in the jungle or buried in mass graves ....

          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Красные_кхмеры
        3. Normal
          Normal 28 September 2014 11: 38
          -31
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          I myself work in the agricultural sector and I know how much labor is needed to expand production.


          "Oh, I would have little peasants (women) from the village, but I would have driven (ipal) them in small increments."

          Did you want slaves?
          1. Enot-poloskun
            Enot-poloskun 28 September 2014 14: 26
            +20
            Dear Normal!

            Is there the word "slave" somewhere in my words? Show!

            Or for you the phrase "working hands" is synonymous with the word "slave"?

            Strange ... Somehow abnormal ...
            1. Normal
              Normal 28 September 2014 14: 59
              -3
              Quote: Enot-poloskun
              Dear Normal!

              Is there the word "slave" somewhere in my words? Show!

              Or for you the phrase "working hands" is synonymous with the word "slave"?

              Strange ... Somehow abnormal ..


              Dear Raccoon Stripes, did you write this?
              Quote: Enot-poloskun
              The medicine was invented by Mao: - send office plankton for re-education in the village!

              Mao had followers who brought his ideas to life
              Khmer Rouge is the unofficial name for the extreme leftist movement in the communist agrarian movement in Cambodia, created in 1968. Their ideology was based on maoism (in the harshest interpretation)

              If you are a follower of the ideas of Mao regarding the re-education of urban by sending them to forced agriculture. work, then you are somewhere near (mentally) from the Khmer Rouge with their state agricultural slavery. Or I'm wrong?
              And the working hands ...
              Experience exists.
              You create conditions, offer reasonable payment and recruit seasonal workers - students. And no forced creacles.
              1. Enot-poloskun
                Enot-poloskun 28 September 2014 18: 23
                +8
                Wrong.

                You never found the word "slave" in my post.

                Everything else is demagogy.

                I invite you to work at the poultry farm.

                Salary - 30.000 rubles. Position - poultry catcher and poultry worker.
                1. Normal
                  Normal 28 September 2014 19: 31
                  -3
                  Quote: Enot-poloskun
                  Wrong.

                  May be. We are all sinners ....
                  Quote: Enot-poloskun
                  You never found the word "slave" in my post.

                  Everything else is demagogy.

                  Wrong.
                  If you did not find the word "slave", it does not mean that there was no desire to get free working hands, directed by compulsion. Or did you mean free laborers?

                  Quote: Enot-poloskun
                  I invite you to work at the poultry farm.

                  Salary - 30.000 rubles. Position - poultry catcher and poultry worker.

                  Ha-ha-ha! laughing
                  Imagine, the first entry in my work book - "Order of Lenin State breeding poultry plant ****.
                  Adopted as a worker in the labor-intensive processes of poultry farming. "

                  By the way - a good salary. Where is it?
                  The only question is - what kind of worker is needed on the house? We managed only poultry houses.
                  There was really a separate team that took the weak to the slaughter and transported eggs to the warehouse.
                  1. Enot-poloskun
                    Enot-poloskun 28 September 2014 20: 02
                    +6
                    So you, then, a fellow poultryman?

                    Now workers are needed - due to the intensification of the growing process.

                    Cell control, etc. And the salary is at many large poultry farms.

                    It's still nothing ... One livestock farm in the Leningrad region could not find the main livestock specialist with a salary of 80.000 rubles, a social package and service housing.

                    Long could not ... We wanted for the prospect of a young specialist with work experience. And the economy is in the wilderness, but pretty good, with a profit.

                    The people said - what about entertainment? In Peter - a few hours to get ...

                    PS I meant actually forced (social responsibility!) Employment of office plankton in the field of agriculture. But! With salary, relying on benefits, experience, etc.
                    1. Normal
                      Normal 28 September 2014 22: 00
                      +3
                      Quote: Enot-poloskun
                      So you, then, a fellow poultryman?

                      What are you ... It was a very long time ago. Now I'm only a tarantula lol
                      And that state farm went bankrupt, and the land was sold under cottages of new owners of life.
                      Quote: Enot-poloskun
                      PS I meant actually forced (social responsibility!) Employment of office plankton in the field of agriculture. But! With salary, relying on benefits, experience, etc.

                      It seems to me that social responsibility implies voluntary, conscious service to the public interest, and not forced agricultural work.
                      There will be appropriate local conditions, state social policy and propaganda, as well as the economic situation, and instead of an office, people will go to the farm and to the house as well.
                      And forced agricultural work only for specific offenses, and not for expressing one’s own position, albeit not liked by the authorities or commentators, in a position, and only by a court verdict.
              2. Alexander I
                Alexander I 29 September 2014 09: 55
                0
                Quote: Normal
                Quote: Enot-poloskun
                Dear Normal!

                Is there the word "slave" somewhere in my words? Show!

                Or for you the phrase "working hands" is synonymous with the word "slave"?

                Strange ... Somehow abnormal ..


                Dear Raccoon Stripes, did you write this?
                Quote: Enot-poloskun
                The medicine was invented by Mao: - send office plankton for re-education in the village!

                Mao had followers who brought his ideas to life
                Khmer Rouge is the unofficial name for the extreme leftist movement in the communist agrarian movement in Cambodia, created in 1968. Their ideology was based on maoism (in the harshest interpretation)

                If you are a follower of the ideas of Mao regarding the re-education of urban by sending them to forced agriculture. work, then you are somewhere near (mentally) from the Khmer Rouge with their state agricultural slavery. Or I'm wrong?
                And the working hands ...
                Experience exists.
                You create conditions, offer reasonable payment and recruit seasonal workers - students. And no forced creacles.

                Here you have some data under the USSR. Russia was a leading power. Under the capitalist system, the country lost more than during the war.
                Four years of terrible war. 20 years of Bourgeois rule in Russia
                loss of people = 20 milli. people loss of people = 28,9
                loss in the economy = 43% loss in the economy = 55%
                loss in production = 41% loss in production = 70%
                loss in investment = 49% loss in investment = 80%
        4. spiriolla-45
          spiriolla-45 28 September 2014 13: 31
          +2
          Such hands vryatli will fit you, it is better to invite a couple of Uzbeks.
        5. Commissar of the NKVD
          Commissar of the NKVD 28 September 2014 14: 18
          +6
          From such working hands as those of whom the article is about, no sense. All the same, they grow out of the ass.
          1. Enot-poloskun
            Enot-poloskun 28 September 2014 14: 28
            +10
            Life is the best school!

            There is a good saying in Russia: he who does not work does not eat.

            And in a few months, any bank employee can be taught to rake manure, feed animals, and milk cows.
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            2. 23 region
              23 region 28 September 2014 18: 19
              +1
              Quote: Enot-poloskun
              Life is the best school!

              There is a good saying in Russia: he who does not work does not eat.

              And in a few months, any bank employee can be taught to rake manure, feed animals, and milk cows.

              You can teach that. Only have to sleep half an eye, because the "red rooster" will be launched.
        6. jjj
          jjj 28 September 2014 14: 22
          +3
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          The medicine was invented by Mao:

          Remember, remember. Criticism by Lin Biao and Confucius, cultural revolution, hunweibins and jiaofani.
          Only our parasites (creative class) will not work. Most likely they will. A new wave of emigration will begin. By the way, in St. Petersburg the creative class is more nasty than in Moscow
          1. shtanko.49
            shtanko.49 28 September 2014 15: 28
            +2
            If these single-celled animals make pigs from Moscow and St. Petersburg, they will have more air, it will be easier to breathe, but that’s good, but without the blessing of those who plow to eat, they’re unlikely to screw. You need to change the financial wing in the government, return Gosplan and forward to socialism !
        7. izGOI
          izGOI 28 September 2014 18: 17
          +5
          I'm afraid that the released Moscow hands are too crooked to be useful. And in combination with Moscow’s conceit, it’s, at best, a useless people.
          In general, all this "protest public" is just those who have already "gorged on bread and now want shows." And the coolest spectacle is when you are going to "bark at power" (especially if it's safe)
        8. AnpeL
          AnpeL 28 September 2014 21: 38
          0
          I myself work in the agricultural sector and I know how much labor is needed to expand production.

          The news that expanded production takes place in the Russian Federation’s agricultural complex cannot but rejoice, even if it is only periodic and seasonal fluctuations good
      2. hyperboreia
        hyperboreia 28 September 2014 12: 10
        +6
        Yesterday one such reveled in his cynicism on television after Alexei Pushkov's Postscript. Withstood only 5 minutes. All this liberal mold has multiplied pretty well in 20 years.
        1. jjj
          jjj 28 September 2014 14: 25
          +1
          That's for sure. Such individuals do not cause anything but a gag reflex.
      3. cat 1970
        cat 1970 28 September 2014 18: 42
        +3
        By labor, in uranium mines. Most of the main hkhhadas, such as D. Zimin, Navalny, Gudkov, Udaltsov, Nemtsov, Melkonyats, Makarevich, and others, in many with an irregular sexual orientation, having rocked Russia, having pleased her with unrest, will flee abroad to safely follow events and push up. If it’s according to theirs, then we, the vast majority of the people, will be very ill. This is shown by the example of Ukraine. It’s good for these imperfections, they will die, watching us. SO WHY ALL IT'S A DAMN ... IN FORGIVING THEM.
    2. pirate technician
      pirate technician 28 September 2014 07: 56
      +4
      Looking at all this, I am afraid of one thing, that this will not end there. People who live in different cities will look at it and will eventually indulge, because in Moscow it is. And in the end, this infection will spread further. In my opinion, such actions must be stopped at the stage of the embryo i.e. to bring as much information as possible to these very five minutes to the lumpen-creaclite. All peace and peace to your homes hi
      1. pahom54
        pahom54 28 September 2014 09: 12
        +12
        Quote: piratehnik
        In my opinion, such actions must be stopped at the embryo stage.


        In Kuev, law enforcement officers were driven to the Maidan from Western Ukraine, and what did they do there ???
        And if 2-3-5-10 people, normally disposed, come to Moscow and run into these white-tape-stockbrokers-lumpen-proletarians during their "peace march" - what will happen?
        The main thing is that the police do not intervene ...
        Here already at VO, people from Uralvagonzavod spoke out about these Moscow "revolutionaries" ... Yes, there is a danger of turmoil, but Moscow is not all of Russia !!!
        I think and hope that if they raise the boil, then people from the regions will quickly roll up and calm this mold ...
        1. Pharao7766
          Pharao7766 28 September 2014 09: 40
          +13
          Moscow is not the whole of Russia (and in recent years it has been trying to position itself generally and not by Russia at all, at least part of its inhabitants). But look where all the coups and their attempts took place with the complete disagreement of the people of the country of the world since 1991 and the assassination of the USSR - in Moscow. So everything is logical - why strain in a huge Russia if you can make a coup through Moscow.
          1. Ratmir
            Ratmir 28 September 2014 10: 16
            +9
            Quote: Pharao7766
            But look where all the coups and their attempts took place with the complete disagreement of the people of the country of the world since 1991 and the assassination of the USSR - in Moscow. So everything is logical - why strain in a huge Russia if you can make a coup through Moscow.

            Compared to past coups, there is now a big difference. If before the whole country somehow accepted what is happening in Moscow without the knowledge of the people, now it is unlikely that the people will calmly look at what is happening. And if the people rise, Moscow Lumpen will not find it much to creacles.
        2. leshiy076
          leshiy076 28 September 2014 11: 00
          +10
          I agree, Moscow is not the whole of Russia, and it’s high time to send office plankton for occupational therapy. Will riot - OMON, bus, forced labor.
        3. samuil60
          samuil60 28 September 2014 15: 07
          +2
          Over the past month or two, the national liberation movement has tried to hold several rallies in Moscow in support of Novorossiya, thousands of people were ready to leave, but the mayor's office did not give permission. But the march of "peacekeepers" with the flags of Ukraine, the right sector and even NATO - please! And if at the head of the column everything was still more or less normal, then people were already walking behind with posters calling for a revolution and the overthrow of Putin. Apparently, the Moscow fifth column, fed on the ideology of the West, Khodorkovsky - the president of Russia (or NERRussia already) is nicer.
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt 28 September 2014 09: 00
      +8
      Play ahead of the curve is not otherwise. Constitutional reform is long overdue. And the commission on this issue seems to be working. But something is not heard even of attempts to discuss in the media some of the basic provisions of the Constitution of the Russian Federation subject to change. Some progress has begun on our Central Bank, which is openly sabotaging the development of Russian industry, and so what? There is no way to amend the Constitution and nationalize the bank. Or will we continue to pick our nose?
      1. almost demobil
        almost demobil 28 September 2014 09: 57
        +4
        I think that one cannot be liberal with the enemy in the rear. in Dubya all this scum, in the geyropu and mattress with their opinion. We simply simply once again publicize them. And you need to help them in every possible way to get sick with bad diseases, get into troubles such as accidents, but there are few ways to harm the enemy! After all, they became insolent with their vision of democracy, nowhere else.
        1. samuil60
          samuil60 28 September 2014 15: 14
          +1
          Americans knowingly spent money on bribery and education of officials of all ranks - if the rank and file of the Ministry of Internal Affairs understands the people and empathizes with the problem, then the highest ranks for the most part will work for the "fifth column" for the sake of kickbacks and shoulder straps. And they are already doing it. Therefore, it is extremely difficult for Putin - he cannot do without the help of ordinary citizens, who clearly and publicly express their position.
    5. ZVEROBOY
      ZVEROBOY 28 September 2014 10: 00
      +9
      Deindustriadization of the country has led to the formation of a whole class of parasites, economic swindlers and office plankton! The class of these same parasites captured as a octopus the entire economy of the country and does not allow the country to develop. Industrial and mining regions practically contain at their own expense the bourgeoisie and a huge bureaucracy, and the bias towards the development of capitals at the expense of other regions has become a real brake on development. Only the political will of the leadership and new industrialization will avoid social upheaval in the country.
      1. samuil60
        samuil60 28 September 2014 15: 19
        +5
        We have a habit of transferring everything to the class struggle. But in reality - there is a war, a war against our homeland on all fronts. And the enemy doesn’t care what kind of system we have there. They hate and are trying to destroy precisely RUSSIA. With any system. In the days of the USSR, they were perfectly able to bribe the elite of the CPSU, to bring to power this possessed liberal-combiner, with the active participation of which the USSR was destroyed.
    6. Rattenfanger
      Rattenfanger 28 September 2014 10: 05
      +1
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      Many of them will undergo occupational therapy in the camp ...

      At the resorts of the Vorkuta region. With a chainsaw "Friendship" in hand.
      1. jjj
        jjj 28 September 2014 14: 27
        0
        Quote: Rattenfanger
        With a chainsaw "Friendship" in hand.

        "Friendship" is now only in museums. And in the northern forest "Calms" have recommended themselves very well
    7. Giant thought
      Giant thought 28 September 2014 10: 16
      +4
      I would very much welcome harsh measures against all these liberal bastards, if they are against Russia, then they have no place in our society, i.e. they must be isolated from our society for a long time. To the Far North, so that they do not interfere with the people to build a new life without American recipes.
    8. hyperboreia
      hyperboreia 28 September 2014 11: 58
      +4
      It is useless to send them to the collective farm. They can’t work. Only send abroad the Fatherland.
    9. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 28 September 2014 13: 45
      +11
      This is the first time I hear this definition - Euro Muscovites. Bravo - clearly and accurately.
      And then all the joys to pour mud on Moscow, and in this city normal decent people live and work. Two and a half hours to work, two and a half hours back. Squeezed come home and there is no time for politics.
      But the negative image of the city is created by the so-called Euro-Muscovites - people who came to the capital from all over the Soviet Union, who are deep in the light of both culture, history, architecture and just normal human normal behavior.
      Tomorrow they will be offered conditions better than in Moscow - they will be happy to go there. Because they have no roots. Tumbleweed.
      I myself am from St. Petersburg, but I lived in Moscow for many years. I know what I'm talking about.
      I will not trade my city for any. But for real Muscovites who think of their city as I do about St. Petersburg, it’s just a shame.
    10. persei
      persei 28 September 2014 20: 08
      +1
      Nuuuu is not so sharp ... these will adapt. winked Remember how "democrats" were urgently hatched from communists ... laughing
    11. krivdaSPb
      krivdaSPb 28 September 2014 22: 10
      +2
      I totally agree. These are the belorussians, whom the bumazhki should be reassigned to - sooooo hard to try.
      Those who imagine themselves above the roof, spit down on less fortunate fellow citizens and fiercely hate the authorities that contain them.
      Phew. no matter how hard she worked with this contingent, apart from the firm conviction that they were parasites with claims, she had nothing else from communication.
      As for the collective farm - a great idea.
      Enough food and work for everyone. Just tear off the back of a warm Moscow sofa and go work, how 90% of the country's population works.
    12. netwalker
      netwalker 29 September 2014 17: 41
      +1
      It was those very high-performance managers who came out ..!
      As Zadornov correctly called them - "coekakers".
      There are specialists, like engineers, developers, even accountants and lawyers - people who are constantly improving, learning something and holding on to them. And these managers, accustomed to working according to one scheme, a little to the right and left, that's all ... the thought is lost, it cannot work. And like the crisis, he is being kicked out for stupidity, and he is on Manezhnaya Square with shouts of hatred for Russia in general and Putin in particular. smile
  2. askort154
    askort154 28 September 2014 06: 43
    +30
    The article is logical. I would add to the proposed measures - it’s time to make another city the capital of Russia.
    In the industrial and geographical center of Russia. Nazarbayev did it quickly and painlessly.
    1. nvv
      nvv 28 September 2014 06: 50
      +18
      It has recently become known that the ruling party led by Dmitry Medvedev is preparing an alternative economic course for the country. Advisor to the President Sergey Glazyev is becoming one of the main ideologists of this course. Widely announced parliamentary hearings on new economic policy were held in the State Duma. The measures proposed by United Russia are directly opposite to the policy of the government of Dmitry Medvedev. Deputies, in particular, are proposing a five-fold increase in the budget deficit, a sharp reduction in the tax burden, and spending on investment of almost half of the country's foreign exchange reserves over the next five years. A proposal was made to introduce a tax on the export of capital - that is, a kind of tax on the rich.
      1. Constanta
        Constanta 28 September 2014 12: 44
        +6
        Sergey Glazyev is a very efficient economist. This is not Kudrin and the company.
        1. jjj
          jjj 28 September 2014 14: 29
          +1
          Tax on the export of capital at least in 10 percent is about 15 billion dollars annually
      2. dr.star75
        dr.star75 28 September 2014 14: 21
        +2
        And what is stopping them from doing this now (changing course to the opposite)?
      3. Karabin
        Karabin 28 September 2014 21: 16
        +2
        Quote: nvv
        The measures proposed by United Russia are directly opposite to the policy of the government of Dmitry Medvedev

        Bees versus honey? Yes, do not tell. So that Edros would take away a feeder from themselves, never. They are the layer that first fits the definition
        The stratum of officials, focused on the emission-exchange model of the economy, will be the link between the elites who are ready to finance the riot and the crowd of lumpen-creacliat,
    2. Iline
      Iline 28 September 2014 09: 14
      +3
      Peter I began the device of a new state system with the transfer of the capital of the state from Moscow to St. Petersburg. All the old dirt remained in Moscow, but devoid of attention swelled and calmed down.
      The same option is brewing now. The capital is needed not in the financial center, but in the industrial one. What is bad, for example, Yekaterinburg?
      1. avt
        avt 28 September 2014 09: 49
        +7
        Quote: Iline
        Peter I began the device of a new state system with the transfer of the capital of the state from Moscow to St. Petersburg. All the old dirt remained in Moscow, but devoid of attention swelled and calmed down.

        Yeah, he took all the aforementioned dirt from Moscow by order, which in general cannot live without a "court" and all of its pederasts - European integrators of the time. And it really became quiet in the Mother See! Right up to 1917! Well, in terms of internal upheavals like the Decembrist rebellion. This is, in short. Well, since the 90s Moscow has been specifically fucked up by destroying real production and science, spawning like toadstools in its place and in general where a clearing will be found "business" and shopping centers. Where in search of a dream - "I want to Meladze" a sticky stream flows all the way from Russia, including the "cultural capital" by the way. So you shouldn't be surprised at the marching creaklam - the number of urban madmen, and he has quite a serious livestock in large metropolitan areas, came out in proportion to those who came out in Novosibirsk. However, this public needs an eye and an eye! Since they are really creative people in the Western manner, and not creators, and they ALWAYS fed them quite specific uncles from the USA special services, about which Kiselev, who is now with Shuster in Ukraine, is quite open on NTV in a program about spies He showed an interview with a tsrushnik, and he said that yes, they financed it, first directly, and then through funds-laying under the State Department, well, in order to maintain decency.
      2. larand
        larand 28 September 2014 10: 18
        +4
        Quote: Iline
        Peter I began the device of a new state system with the transfer of the capital of the state from Moscow to St. Petersburg. All the old dirt remained in Moscow, but devoid of attention swelled and calmed down.
        The same option is brewing now. The capital is needed not in the financial center, but in the industrial one. What is bad, for example, Yekaterinburg?

        Just not Yekaterinburg (by the way, bearing the name of the Baltic girl Marta Skavronskaya). Here, apparently, the magnetic fields bent and gave birth to Eltsin, Burbulis, Roizman, but they destroyed the Uralmashzavod, and other famous Soviet industrial giants barely breathe in the city. It’s dangerous to transfer the capital here, just something obscene will turn out.
        And most importantly, gentlemen, comrades, we will not forget that capitalism is in the Russian Federation. And with him, other assessments of the situation and other actions. Maybe Russian capital is now more profitable to engage in speculation, rather than production? And he will support just this office plankton.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 28 September 2014 11: 45
          +1
          So, you need to get rid of capitalism. For 23 years, we have seen its complete inefficiency in Russia.
          1. ZVEROBOY
            ZVEROBOY 28 September 2014 11: 50
            +3
            Quote: Basarev
            So, you need to get rid of capitalism. For 23 years, we have seen its complete inefficiency in Russia.


            Moreover, the sooner this deliverance occurs. The more chances Russia has of surviving and becoming a Great Power again!
        2. captain
          captain 28 September 2014 12: 29
          +2
          For the humor about Yeltsin’s homeland, he put you a plus. Exactly there is an anomaly.
        3. zvědavost
          zvědavost 28 September 2014 18: 28
          +2
          Remember the Quartet fable. The wise idea of ​​this fable is that no matter how the quartet participant sits down, but there is still no music. It is not a place that colors a person, but a person a place. A lot of folk wisdom in these words.
          Extremism in politics has never put any society into the category of successful ones. Here Ukraine is an example of political extremism, and so what? Normal is indeed the most normal because it understands this. Office plankton is not loafers, as you think. This is a product of an era that did not need steelworkers and machine tools, and traders were needed. And what now to kill them for it. Many of them have diplomas of technical universities, but who needed them in that capacity. These are our children, whom we pushed into economists and lawyers, in the hope that they will live better than us. I am scared to read everything that you write here. Do your children all work in factories or in agriculture? Can you put your neighbor’s son or daughter on the wall just because they made a career in a bank or a trading company?
          1. Zuborez
            Zuborez 28 September 2014 21: 07
            0
            I saw entikh graduates of technical universities, and your kids, economists. "Product of the era" (TM).
            To me personally, it’s in parallel to this product and its future. Some went to the army, and the first and second Chechen, went (and go) to the plants, they can and know how to work. Thanks to these people, we have not been rolled out yet. Well, veterans have someone to experience transfer to)).
            And the "jumping dragonfly" according to Krylov's fable.
            Now, such clients have begun to come to enterprises. Some twenty years ago I graduated from a technical university, traded spools, realized that I could be an engineer, but to distinguish a bolt from a nut, you need to learn a little.
            HZ, it depends on a specific person. But it has become more difficult to parasitize the "middle class" lately. Some may change, others go to "peace marches".
      3. dr.star75
        dr.star75 28 September 2014 14: 28
        0
        Lenin, incidentally, also moved the capital. I do not like Ekaterinburg, you can go to Samara. During the war, the capital was practically transferred there.
      4. Round cat
        Round cat 29 September 2014 05: 51
        0
        Maybe Vladivostok? Window to Asia!
    3. michell
      michell 28 September 2014 12: 02
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      The article is logical. I would add to the proposed measures - it’s time to make another city the capital of Russia.
      In the industrial and geographical center of Russia. Nazarbayev did it quickly and painlessly.


      Plusanul.
      In order to really change the country's course from a parasitic-raw model of development to an industrial one, a change in the position of the capital is necessary - all exchange parasites, accustomed to a beautiful life under the previous system, will remain in Moscow, and even at least bark at Bolotnykh. Nazarbayev withdrew the capital from Alma-Ata precisely in order to tear geographically the employees of the new administration from those who had lost power, but who sought to maintain the influence of retired officials accustomed to a parasitic lifestyle.
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    5. captain
      captain 28 September 2014 12: 26
      +1
      You are absolutely right, it seems to me. In practice, the USSR was destroyed by Moscow, or rather tens of thousands of people who believed in fairy tales about the kind uncle capitalist and his concern for the people of Russia. The organizers were our "human rights activists" and the irrepressible thirst of Yeltsin and the republican leaders to become tsars. Who leads all protest rallies? Kosyanov, Nemtsov, Ryzhkov ..., standing up for the civilized life of our people. That's just a question; and why did they do it only for themselves when they were in power? Moscow is a huge metropolis and it is not a problem to find tens of thousands of people dissatisfied with the government there, especially during a crisis (remember in 1917 in St. Petersburg) and to arrange pogroms and neutralize the power structures, there are no big problems. You don't even need a lot of money (look at the Kiev events), there will be people who want to make money in this way, we have women from Belgorod who went to cook food on the Maidan - "shtukabaksov", as they tell everything ready. The capital must be moved to Siberia, for the good of the cause, the money will be there, then people will be there and the development of Siberia and the Far East will begin
    6. Constanta
      Constanta 28 September 2014 12: 38
      +3
      I don’t think so. Moscow is the root of Russia. It is necessary to solve organizational problems. And it is not a matter of office plankton at all, but of determining the direction of development of the country, and political will. Those who came to Poklonnaya, not the same Muscovites from the offices or what?
      And if you continue to hang out without a rudder and without sails, the result will be far from expected. A rally in memory of Poklonnaya Hill gathered about 17 thousand people. against 5 thousand of the so-called March, do not know whom. Now the organizers have to pay a fine, because fewer people claimed. What the hell is that, sorry? Fine?!! Why not pay the fine to the liberties who claimed 50 thousand, but barely barely scraped together 5.
    7. Dart2027
      Dart2027 28 September 2014 20: 04
      +1
      Useless. In a couple of years in the new capital, the same enemies of the people and provocateurs will stir up the water.
  3. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 28 September 2014 06: 48
    +18
    What a touching concern for ... g_n_i_d_a_h! On a frequent scallop, but under the fingernail, but it’s better to shave baldness, and wash in a bathhouse with steaming rags! It's time to begin the cleansing of Russia from this scab!
    1. PValery53
      PValery53 28 September 2014 11: 38
      0
      Well, damn it, delicious!
  4. Siberian2183
    Siberian2183 28 September 2014 06: 49
    +10
    it was necessary to disperse these Eurogame Muscovites as rabid dogs, and to give particularly active five years to the strictest and the rest to start 15 days
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 28 September 2014 07: 37
      +3
      Well, GDP is not looking for easy ways. In general, it would be worth giving them a spin in Moscow. Even the Kremlin can be surrendered. But ALL and obvious and hidden enemies will come out. And then bring tanks to Red Square. And build Tiananmen.
      But this is only if the GDP is confident in the loyalty of the regions. At least in the case of a short-term "failure" in Moscow and (or) St. Petersburg, so that you can go somewhere to Novosibirsk and from there crush the creatures.
      1. zao74
        zao74 28 September 2014 10: 51
        +5
        The lists of these ... have long been drawn up, so there is no need to give them any chance. Vyaknut - Siberia will become their home.
        Only for this, the state will have to prove that the new economy and the new society is serious and for a long time - and present a new type of citizen. This is the type that should be guided by those who are lost in the new socio-economic conditions.
        This image has long stood in Moscow - One with a hammer, the other with a sickle.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 28 September 2014 14: 55
          +1
          The lists of these ... have long been drawn up, so there is no need to give them any chance. Vyaknut - Siberia will become their home.


          You are mistaken. The lists are only those who have shown themselves in one way or another. But those who, let's say, in the power structures pretend to be loyal, and he himself at the salary of the oligarchs, it is impossible to distinguish such against the background of general corruption until they appear.

          Threat. Why clog Siberia? A bullet to the back of the head, crematorium and from the gun to the West so dear to their heart.
          1. Sour
            Sour 28 September 2014 18: 57
            -4
            Quote: alicante11
            A bullet to the back of the head, crematorium and from the gun to the West so dear to their heart.

            Wow, how cool you are!
            How to dispose of other people's lives!
            You might think that they did something useful for the country.
            Do you want a bullet in the back of your head? After all, your nape is also bulletproof. And those who can shoot are far from not only among the red-headed jackals, but also among Russian patriots.
            And then a crematorium and from a gun to North Korea so dear to your heart. Will it be okay?
            Easy on the bends, jackals are red-faced. And then we will determine where it should be, as Kvachkova with Khabarov. Power is not with you, and will never be with you. Your time has run out. You can only stink on the Internet, idlers.
            1. assembly
              assembly 28 September 2014 19: 36
              +2
              I’m embarrassed to ask: but myself, besides the Internet, where do you stink?
            2. alicante11
              alicante11 29 September 2014 07: 19
              +1
              How to dispose of other people's lives!
              You might think that they did something useful for the country.


              I personally, so in little things. I bring up three children and have not taken a dime from the state from its "social obligations", my students work throughout the Far Eastern Railway, for 8 years I have been giving jobs to 11 people and paid taxes honestly, well, I understand that this is all not three stars on shoulder straps on the VO. So excuse me, Mr. Colonel-General, I spoke out of turn, I will take it into account.

              Easy on the bends, jackals are red-faced. And then we will determine where it should be, as Kvachkova with Khabarov.


              And what, the Poles, who killed the Red Army soldiers in concentration camps, or the fascists, who also loved it - are they also Red? And, probably, the Angles who invented the concentration camps, they are probably the main followers of Karl Marx. Or, the Americans did not introduce a moratorium on the death penalty, that's where the main "red-ass jackals" are. Well, let's know. It's good that they enlightened.
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  5. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 28 September 2014 06: 54
    +10
    Oh, come on. In order for there to be no "lumpen-kreakl" the state must provide everyone with an understandable purpose of its existence. And based on the goals, the State should develop an ideology that everyone understands, that is, what all citizens should strive for. And what do we now have for the "goal" of the existence of the state of Russia? What is this country really striving for? To the enrichment of the oligarchs close to the "tsar"? Educating "informed consumers"? To become the "gas station" of the whole world? And so on in the same spirit? In the absence of clearly defined goals on the part of the state, every citizen has the right to choose his life goal and a way of self-expression.
    1. Klim2011
      Klim2011 28 September 2014 07: 41
      +10
      Unfortunately you are right, there is no single and understandable goal for the development of the country.
    2. andj61
      andj61 28 September 2014 08: 13
      +8
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Based on the goals, the State must develop an ideology that is understandable to everyone, that is, what all citizens should strive for. And what do we now have for the "goal" of the existence of the state of Russia? What is this country really striving for? To the enrichment of oligarchs close to the "tsar"? Educating "informed consumers"? To become the "gas station" of the whole world?

      For the purpose of the existence of the state, it is more or less clear - in fact it is a state ideology, which, however, is prohibited by Part 2 of Art. 16 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Although it is clear even in the text of the Constitution that there is no ideology of the state as the goal and basis of its existence and activity, but political ideology as the basis for the structure of public and state life.
      I completely agree with you - it cannot be the state’s goal to constantly maintain the current extremely inefficient and unfair device system. Much has changed over the past 14 years, and much more needs to be changed. Now we have come to the point where reforms are to be started from the top — society is consolidated on a patriotic upsurge — and it will support our leadership, if that will significantly limit the possibilities of the oligarchs in taking money from the country and ordinary people. Moreover, these oligarchs - many of them - are actually not citizens of Russia, but citizens of the world, their assets and property - all over the world, children study and live abroad, and they themselves live from time to time in Russia - just because the need for asset control. With all this, it’s time to end, and then the 90s with us - it’s good only in this regard - something does not end there.
    3. Normal
      Normal 28 September 2014 09: 15
      -5
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Oh, come on. In order for there to be no "lumpen-kreakl" the state must provide everyone with a clear purpose of its existence ...
      every citizen has the right to choose his goal of life and the way of self-expression.


      First adequate comment. A plus.
      1. Aleksander
        Aleksander 28 September 2014 13: 05
        +1
        And what is the purpose of the existence of any other state-Germany, France, for example? Any state establishes and implements the rules of existence of its citizens. And that’s all. Within the framework of these rules, everyone exists, more or less successfully ...
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    4. zvědavost
      zvědavost 28 September 2014 18: 32
      0
      Thank God, another common opinion. I'm with you.
    5. Dart2027
      Dart2027 28 September 2014 20: 06
      +1
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      In order for there to be no "lumpen-kreakl", the state must provide everyone with an understandable purpose of its existence

      The problem is that they wanted to spit on the state.
  6. Name
    Name 28 September 2014 06: 57
    +13
    "... a Moscow lumpen-kreakliat. With an iPhone, an account, a fashionable bangs, a credit" Honda ", but hungry and without a real profession ..."- he will be fed and will find useful for society, for Russia, for this you need to STILL just stop liberalizing with them and send them to the penitentiary system, they will teach and feed them. laughing
    1. zvědavost
      zvědavost 28 September 2014 18: 35
      +2
      Dear Namerek, what benefit do you bring to the state on what path? If not a secret, let me know. I’m very interested in what you are doing so if you consider yourself right to decide who should sit in which ITK.
      1. Name
        Name 28 September 2014 21: 53
        0
        For what purpose are you interested, huh? repeat
  7. FACKtoREAL
    FACKtoREAL 28 September 2014 06: 58
    +3
    so ...
    well, let it go sometimes ... request
    Russian society is PRIVATED from fixed Eurodemocracy
    and take this 5th column to the "zugunder" ...
    mine DO NOT even need TWO times! angry
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 28 September 2014 07: 01
    +6
    You need to know enemies by sight. While they are not dangerous, they looked rumpled and clearly did not enjoy "popular support". And I liked the article. Original point of view. It is worth considering. A definite plus.
  9. asar
    asar 28 September 2014 07: 19
    +5
    Liked - +! I would also call: "office plankton was previously carefree, now - unemployed", "Office plankton is the environment of turmoil", "complete" drainage of "Bolotnaya"
    Huge areas of swamps had to be drained during the construction of Moscow ...
  10. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 28 September 2014 07: 20
    +9
    Quote: AlNikolaich
    My opinion: a suitcase, a station, ... a collective farm!
    And subsequent occupational therapy!


    In the village, no one needs such "workers", idlers in the villages are already in bulk, this intelligent shit needs to be directed to the development of the north, and in general Moscow has become stuck, has become a parasite on the body of Russia.
  11. 020205
    020205 28 September 2014 07: 30
    +11
    How this Maskva lifted me up! Everything is guano from there. As we have established at our enterprises, we bought masks from the factory, look for a new job. The colonizers are bad!
  12. 020205
    020205 28 September 2014 07: 31
    +1
    Quote: askort154
    The article is logical. I would also add to the proposed measures - it’s time to make another city the capital of Russia

    For example Novosibirsk! It will be fair
    1. saksan
      saksan 28 September 2014 09: 58
      0
      In the event of an emergency, the capital has already been built in the Ural Mountains. True, not everyone will want to go there.
  13. 020205
    020205 28 September 2014 07: 36
    -3
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    every citizen has the right to choose his goal of life and the way of self-expression.

    Yeah, that’s how it is, you’re expressing yourself blakotnye norms! We need the politics of the government and the party, and not all rubbish like democracy
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 28 September 2014 07: 47
      +5
      I am not "zhovtoblakitny". It's just my server is Ukrainian and the zhovtoblakitny flag is set automatically. And, my Ukrainian server is purely by chance. wink
  14. Cormorants
    Cormorants 28 September 2014 07: 38
    +2
    You look at their faces! These are the faces of typical lazy people!
  15. Little Lost
    Little Lost 28 September 2014 07: 43
    +3
    I support the transfer of the capital. And it is not so important what city of Russia it will be in Siberia or in our vast Far East. Yes, and with the principle of paying taxes, something needs to be decided. Let them pay at the place of business, and not at the place of registration of legal entity. So offshore will be easier to resolve.
  16. Tatarus
    Tatarus 28 September 2014 07: 44
    +2
    Quote: askort154
    I would add to the proposed measures - it’s time to make another city the capital of Russia.
    I totally agree. The transfer of the capital to another city will quickly and effectively deprive all of this plankton of the nutrient medium. You can also transfer to the Urals, you can leave in the European part, Nizhny Novgorod for example. And you can even build from scratch. A beautiful Clean Capital without Eurogian garbage.
    1. saag
      saag 28 September 2014 07: 59
      +4
      Quote: Tatarus
      And you can build from scratch. A beautiful Clean Capital without Eurogian garbage.

      I’ll try to predict what will happen at the end of the construction, any large company will begin to open representative offices in this new Beautiful Clean Capital, so that they pay everyone their wages, make money payments, transfers, etc. banks will open, and again everything will return to normal :-)
  17. midshipman
    midshipman 28 September 2014 07: 49
    +27
    Dear readers of "VO", the problem raised in the article deserves the greatest attention. The destruction of industrial zones in Moscow, St. Petersburg and other cities and their occupation by banks and offices will not lead to good. By such actions, we have destroyed the promintellegence and are reducing the number of workers. When I was in charge of a number of industrial and scientific organizations in Moscow, Leningrad and other cities of the country, work at these enterprises was considered prestigious. The salary there was higher than in banks, security institutions, commercial offices. What now. The Moscow radio plant does not work, the Rossiya plant (in St. Petersburg) has been liquidated, many research institutes are closed or the number of specialists there has decreased by 5-10 times. The budget of Moscow and St. Petersburg from the activities of industrial and scientific organizations was replenished by at least 25%, and now it is at most 4-5%. We have spawned an enemy in the face of a lumpen-kreakliatite society. How to deal with it - only by the development of industry, scientific institutions and retraining of the latter, as well as the education of patriotism among the population in the media. Look at our television - films about bandits and investigations, which are created at the expense of the state budget. Channel 5 in St. Petersburg shows the film "Sled" day and night. For whom, what this film will educate in people, especially in young people - only banditry. This is the secret. I have the honor.
    1. saksan
      saksan 28 September 2014 08: 19
      +6
      Creativity was not born today. It was a product of the nineties, when economists and lawyers were massively trained in prolific extra-budgetary institutes. They simply prepared promising parasites. In Soviet times, they cleaned Moscow and Leningrad from parasites, they simply referred to a settlement in Siberia. I came across them at the end sixties in Kolpashevo, when we landed there on business.
    2. zvědavost
      zvědavost 28 September 2014 18: 39
      +1
      There is a great deal of truth in your words. Economics is the foundation of everything. Man is looking for where is better. We will raise the prestige of the engineer, and people will send their children to study at technical universities not just to have a crust.
  18. Signature
    Signature 28 September 2014 07: 58
    +6
    What a surprisingly accurate socioeconomic and, at the same time, sociological (in general, two-in-one) analysis. How clearly this economic background of "Euro-Ukrainian" sentiments on the "barricades" of Euro-oriented Russian "creativity", which is terribly far from romance and the lyrics of the national question, has been revealed and exposed. And then they write, write and write that they have disinterestedly got confused with a personal definition in matters of conscience, freedom and honor.
    But the author of what he read, on the contrary, is transparent as a child's tears - vigilance in determining the personal and proprietary interests of the well-known masses in the "genre" of a purely economic ("grain") sense.
    The author - as an analyst - is almost a virtuoso and a wizard!
    Sincere thanks to him
    - for the courage to honestly look into the leaden eyes of the problem, which one tries to make up for such a "purely" moral and legal, while - in reality - it was and remains socioeconomic.
  19. 020205
    020205 28 September 2014 08: 14
    0
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    I am not "zhovtoblakitny". It's just my server is Ukrainian and the zhovtoblakitny flag is set automatically. And, my Ukrainian server is purely by chance.

    laughing It happens that so unlucky
  20. 020205
    020205 28 September 2014 08: 20
    +1
    Quote: Little Leshy
    I support the transfer of the capital. And it is not so important what city of Russia it will be in Siberia or in our vast Far East. Yes, and with the principle of paying taxes, something needs to be decided. Let them pay at the place of business, and not at the place of registration of legal entity. So offshore will be easier to resolve.

    +100500
  21. Klim2011
    Klim2011 28 September 2014 08: 22
    +6
    Muscovites, well, how come. For example, a company (Moscow) of 100 people:
    Director General - from Mordovia
    Financial - Peter
    Leaders: Magadan, Krasnoyarsk, Novokuznetsk, etc.
    Hard workers - 70% of the Moscow region, the rest is Central Russia. Muscovites 2 people!
    The state apparatus is the same picture, the oligarch (in close connection with the state apparatus) the composition is the same.
    Where is the Muscovite author found?
    1. Normal
      Normal 28 September 2014 09: 24
      +4
      Quote: Klim2011
      Where is the Muscovite author found?

      Yes, on the ceiling, and sucked from a finger.
      After all, if you don't blame the mirror, but say that a BIG part of the "creative class" is not Muscovites, but RUSSIA, then what to do with accusatory pathos?
      If we speak the bitter truth, and not pro-government nonsense, then we will not get the approval of either the authorities or narrow-minded commentators who are screaming "crucify" about and without it!
      1. Aleksander
        Aleksander 28 September 2014 13: 23
        +3
        The narrow-minded commentators are those who understood the creakl as people who were registered in Moscow. The author has not a word about this. They can be from Magadan too, but the source of their existence that determines their essence is in Moscow. And what is your "bitter" truth - that kreakly are not only Muscovites? And who argues with this, and what is the "bitterness"? Both the pathos and the correctness of the conclusions remain in place.
        1. Normal
          Normal 28 September 2014 14: 09
          0
          Quote: Aleksander
          The narrow-minded commentators are those who understood the creaks of people who were specifically registered in Moscow. The author has not a word about this.

          Not a word? Oh well...
          Euro marchMuscovites...
          ... the first training session with a new type of society, which will soon form in Moscow.
          ... first of all, society will be hit by sanctions Moscow...
          ...Moscow middle and premium class.
          ... just in Moscow to be expected ...
          ... for maintaining the current socio-economic model Moscow
          In conflict inside Moscow society ...
          ... so the street riots in Moscow will be.
          flawed and parasitic socio-economic model Moscow.
          ...on the Moscow new declassed elements will be added to the streets.
          ...Moscow Maidan
          ... in the plane of social structure Moscow.
          ...for Moscow riot

          Undisguised hatred of Moscow and Muscovites climbs from the author from all the cracks and finds passionate approval among commentators.
          Auto incites social hatred and hatred of Moscow.
          What correct conclusions can be said if the article consists of lies and substitution of concepts?
          If initially and maliciously set false attitudes ("lumpen-creakliate", more on this in my comments below), then the conclusions can only be false.
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 28 September 2014 14: 41
            +2
            The author meant "Muscovites" not by their registration, but by their place of work.
          2. Aleksander
            Aleksander 28 September 2014 14: 52
            0
            You have a persecution mania. In the author, Muscovites are people at the place of earnings, nothing more.
            1. Normal
              Normal 28 September 2014 15: 16
              -1
              Quote: dr.star75
              The author meant "Muscovites" not by their registration, but by their place of work.

              Quote: Aleksander
              You have a persecution mania. In the author, Muscovites are people at the place of earnings, nothing more.


              The author of the Muscovites - these are Muscovites, without dividing into registered, earning or whatever.
              There is not a word in the article about the fact that the "Euro-Muscovites" who took part in the march are a tiny fraction of the population of the multimillion city. This is the author's persecution mania, not me; look at the number of references to the city and its inhabitants in a negative context.
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  22. 020205
    020205 28 September 2014 08: 24
    +3
    Quote: Klim2011
    Muscovites, well, how come. For example, a company (Moscow) of 100 people:
    Director General - from Mordovia
    Financial - Peter
    Leaders: Magadan, Krasnoyarsk, Novokuznetsk, etc.
    Hard workers - 70% of the Moscow region, the rest is Central Russia. Muscovites 2 people!
    The state apparatus is the same picture, the oligarch (in close connection with the state apparatus) the composition is the same.
    Where is the Muscovite author found?

    I agree, we can mask the Muscovites there two times and miscalculated, but the word is evil which is MASKWICH !!!
    1. Dagger583
      Dagger583 28 September 2014 09: 49
      +3
      hmm ... someone offended you from Moscow?
      just the tone of all your posts is simply riddled with some sort of hatred then ..
      can you walk around Kazan?
      or in Samara?
      or according to Peter?
  23. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 28 September 2014 08: 32
    -1
    Hello! Crying for them camp! Thank you hi
  24. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 28 September 2014 08: 37
    +5
    Moscow and Muscovites are essentially parasites on the body of Russia, and they expand it even more, grabbing more and more surrounding lands and planting the same offices and exchanges in New Moscow. Those who left their comments on this article are right that it is necessary to create more enterprises with technical intelligence within Moscow itself, rather than trading bases and offices for different MMMs. Yes, and from Moscow it is necessary to transfer more rights to the regions, the government should be distributed throughout the territory of the Russian Federation. Those who point out the distortions in our cinema and television programs, films where films on criminal themes, murders and investigations, and so little about those who create material wealth are also right. If you redo it, then you need to not only do this in the economy, but also in the humanitarian, cultural and social sphere.
    1. Normal
      Normal 28 September 2014 14: 46
      +4
      Quote: Anchonsha
      Moscow and Muscovites are essentially parasite articles on the body of Russia


      Only respect for the memory of Apollona, ​​and the rules of the site do not allow me to answer you since you deserve this statement
      For your information, Moscow is one of the most developed industrial and production centers in the country. The main types of industry are mechanical engineering, machine tool manufacturing, shipbuilding, instrument making. The developed areas of industrial production in the capital include the production of ferrous and non-ferrous metallurgy (non-ferrous metal, aluminum alloys, etc.). The chemical industry, light and printing industries are developed.
      Below is a small list of "parasites" on the body of Russia

      The largest industrial enterprises and plants in Moscow

      • Moscow Oil Refinery - Moscow Oil Refinery
      • Hammer and Sickle, MMZ, OJSC - Moscow Metallurgical Plant
      • Electrozavod - production of electric transformers and reactors;
      • Moscow Plant Electroshield - production of electrical switchgears;
      • Avtoframos - Renault car assembly plant;
      • Moscow Tire Plant - a leading tire manufacturer in Russia;
      • Concern Almaz-Antey, OJSC - development and production of weapons;
      • Salyut, FSUE - production of aircraft engines;
      • Tushino Engineering Plant - aircraft manufacturing enterprises.
      And also:
      Moscow Abrasive Plant (MAZ) - abrasive tool
      MiG Russian Aircraft Corporation (RSK MiG) - aircraft
      Moscow factory of high-voltage fittings (MZVA) - linear fittings, insulators
      Moscow Tool Plant (MIZ) - high-precision metalworking tool
      Khrapunovsky Tool Plant (HIZ) - metal cutting tool (cutters) Moscow Cable Plant (Moskabel) - power cables
      Cable Plant "Kabeltov" (Cable) - optical cable
      Moscow Compressor Plant (Borets) - compressor equipment
      Foundry and rolling plant Moscow (LPZ) - foundry products
      Moscow Machine-Building Plant (MMZ "Vperyod") - tail rotor and blades for helicopters of the "Mi" family
      Electronic Medical Equipment (EMA) Plant - Medical Equipment
      Moscow Metallurgical Plant (MMZ "Hammer and Sickle") - rolled metal products, wire
      Moscow Hardware Plant (Proletarsky Trud) - wire, hardware products, screws
      Moscow Bearing Plant No. 1 (GPZ-1) - bearings
      State Bearing Plant-2 (GPZ-2) - bearings
      The Second Moscow Instrument-Making Plant (2MPZ) - products for aviation and rocket technology
      Lighting factory Saturn (Saturn) - ship lighting fixtures
      Moscow Machine-Tool Plant named after Ordzhonikidze (MSZIO) - metal-cutting machines
      Moscow Machine-Tool Plant named after A. I. Efremova (Red Proletariat) - universal screw-cutting and special machines
      Moscow Pipe Plant (Filit) - steel and stainless pipes
      Kuskovsky Chemical Plant (KHZ) - polymers, chemical products
      Moscow Chemical Plant (Aurat) - chemical reagents, coagulants, compounds of precious metals
      Losinoostrovsky Electrode Plant (LEZ) - electrodes for manual arc welding, cutting and surfacing of metal for various purposes
      Moscow Electrode Plant (GraphiteEl) - electrodes for welding of all basic and a number of specialized grades of steels and alloys, graphite
      Lianozovsky Electromechanical Plant (LEMZ) - radar equipment and control systems
      Moscow Electromechanical Plant named after Vladimir Ilyich (Electro ZVI) - asynchronous electric motors
      1. midshipman
        midshipman 28 September 2014 17: 07
        +8
        In Moscow, about 1500 industrial enterprises, of which 305 are defense industry enterprises. Currently, no more than 500 thousand specialists work here. The replenishment of the Moscow budget from these enterprises is about 4%.
        Before perestroika, more than 1500 thousand specialists worked at industrial enterprises in Moscow; they replenished 25% of the budget. I'm not talking about salary levels.
        And you look at how Moscow University (s) have developed and who is studying there and in what specialties.
      2. midshipman
        midshipman 28 September 2014 17: 07
        +1
        In Moscow, about 1500 industrial enterprises, of which 305 are defense industry enterprises. Currently, no more than 500 thousand specialists work here. The replenishment of the Moscow budget from these enterprises is about 4%.
        Before perestroika, more than 1500 thousand specialists worked at industrial enterprises in Moscow; they replenished 25% of the budget. I'm not talking about salary levels.
        And you look at how Moscow University (s) have developed and who is studying there and in what specialties.
      3. Zuborez
        Zuborez 28 September 2014 21: 40
        +1
        Some enterprises (like the Red Proletariat) at the moment can be deleted from this list.
        Yes, and with the Sickle and the Hammer, not everything is clear. Outside you can see a nightclub for women ((:
        And you can add the same amount to the list three more times. Not counting design bureaus, universities, etc.
        The essence (IMHO) is in another. Any ghoul in the region, having made money, rushes with them to Moscow. Here they have a nest, you can spend on any crap. As my physics teacher said, "inside the Garden Ring, a decent person has nothing to do." ,sure.
        And about the city of Moscow and its residents, the st.l-nt Zaripov said well in "Pervomayka" - "there are Muscovites, Muscovites and Muscovites. Moscow has already sold both Motherland and mother for an apartment in Moscow."
        1. Normal
          Normal 28 September 2014 23: 23
          0
          Quote: ZuboreZ
          Some enterprises (like the Red Proletariat) at the moment can be deleted from this list.
          Yes, and with the Hammer and Sickle, not everything is clear

          Alas, that’s absolutely true.
          I myself removed several enterprises from the list that I know about that they exist only legally, and not actually ...
          Two watch factories ... ZIL ... Aircraft ...

          But to hell, this is not due to the fact that Muscovites do not want to work, but only in offices. That is the policy. Production and, therefore, the proletariat in the capital are not needed. It’s calmer without them. And the land that industrial enterprises occupied can be sold for entertainment, shopping and office complexes, again, the benefit.
          And then begins - the parasites ... snickered ... and the like.
          1. DRA-88
            DRA-88 28 September 2014 23: 52
            +1
            Quote: Normal
            Production and, therefore, the proletariat in the capital are not needed


            The proletariat is the grave digger of the bourgeoisie!

            this thesis is well known to those holding power)))))
      4. Tanysh
        Tanysh 29 September 2014 14: 20
        0
        Such a small list of those who survived? ..
        :(
    2. Demon0n
      Demon0n 28 September 2014 15: 25
      +2
      Quote: Anchonsha
      Moscow and Muscovites are essentially parasites on the body of Russia, and they expand it even more, grabbing more and more surrounding lands and planting the same offices and exchanges in New Moscow. Those who left their comments on this article are right that it is necessary to create more enterprises with technical intelligence within Moscow itself, rather than trading bases and offices for different MMMs. Yes, and from Moscow it is necessary to transfer more rights to the regions, the government should be distributed throughout the territory of the Russian Federation. Those who point out the distortions in our cinema and television programs, films where films on criminal themes, murders and investigations, and so little about those who create material wealth are also right. If you redo it, then you need to not only do this in the economy, but also in the humanitarian, cultural and social sphere.


      It is time to introduce the concept of "incitement of interregional hatred" as a component of "extremism and separatism" into the legal field.
      I would answer, but they will be banned. It is impossible to describe a person in normal language. From the censor, only a "provocateur".
      What's next? Stop feeding ...? And how much must be divided and taken away in order to achieve satisfaction? We also wish to become a center? Is it with such habits and no longer hidden thoughts?
      1. zvědavost
        zvědavost 28 September 2014 18: 54
        0
        And how many Russian people can be divided into right and wrong. Enough! Strong power cannot be built on someone else’s misfortune. Our children grew up, whom we wished for a better life, educated them. Most of them are not loafers or parasites at all.
        1. Dezinto
          Dezinto 28 September 2014 21: 42
          0
          A little offtopic - in Kharkov right now they’re sawing Lenin on Freedom Square .... the first sector is esseno ... and hollowed out on a pedestal ... guess what? .. glory to Ukraine ... boys work.

          Stream: - http://streets-kharkiv.info/kharkov-ploshchad-svobody-onlain-kamera
  25. Boris55
    Boris55 28 September 2014 08: 41
    -1
    Not a single criticism.

    Quote: Semen Uralov
    The state will naturally support industrialists

    I would like to clarify: who do you mean by the word "state"? Putin, in the presidential elections, staked on the people - and won, which infuriated "all progressive humanity." Essentially, Putin is a Bolshevik - defending the interests of the majority. The recent arrest of one of the exploded alegators is a signal to those who are still hesitant ...

    Quote: Semen Uralov
    The state needs play proactive and set the parameters for a new society ...
    Just for that the state will have to provethat the new economy and new society is serious and for long ...

    In my opinion, the author separates the state (state power in the form of officials at all levels) from the people, but what about elections at all levels - is this not the expression of the will of the people for those programs that the candidate declares? Do not like his program - vote for another. I don’t like everything at all - put forward yourself and bring your ideas to life if the people support ... We have the power of the majority. An unhappy minority will always be. Is it worth paying attention to a minority - yes, but not really.
  26. free
    free 28 September 2014 09: 25
    -1
    Quote: AlNikolaich
    Lumpen - creakliat ... The normal name for
    cattle, imagining himself an elite!
    It should be noted that these new lumpen have no
    habits to work, so do not make new ones
    citizens!
    My opinion: a suitcase, a station, ... a collective farm!
    And subsequent occupational therapy!
    PS Many of them will undergo occupational therapy in the camp ...
    (not pioneer!)



    But first, shock therapy, right on the march, so that would get rid of unnecessary delusions!
  27. Normal
    Normal 28 September 2014 09: 51
    0
    An article, as an example of arrogant pro-government lies, is a huge minus.

    Almost everything in the article - lies, deceit and substitution of concepts, starting with the title
    Lumpen-kreakliat and the sociology of the Moscow riot

    What is "lumpen"
    Lumpen (-proletariat) (from German Lumpen - "tattered") - a term coined by Karl Marx to refer to the lower strata of the proletariat. Later, all declassified strata of the population (tramps, beggars, criminal elements, alcoholics, and other social dependents) began to be called “lumpen”. In most cases, lumpen is a person who does not have any property and lives in precarious work or, more often, uses various forms of state social benefits. [1]
    Lumpen - declassed elements, people without social roots, a moral code, ready to recklessly obey the strong, that is, who has real power at the moment [2].
    Declassified elements in Soviet and post-Soviet sociology are members of society who do not belong to any social class [3] These include unemployed, prisoners, the mentally ill, the poor, tramps, prostitutes, etc. [3]
    Lumpenization of society means an increase in the share of these strata in the population and the spread of the psychology of lumpen in conditions of social inequality and crisis.

    abbreviations from wiki.


    What is "creaclite"?
    Creative class
    creative class
    (Eng. creative class) - a concept (term) proposed by R. Florida to designate a social group of the population included in the post-industrial sector of the economy. This is part of the middle class [1], .... Actively included in the global world [1] .....
    In contrast to the working and service classes, representatives of the creative class prefer horizontal movement upward through the career ladder .... in favor of the most creative. Also, they prefer moral and spiritual gratification to monetary. A characteristic feature for people of this group is a pronounced sense of individuality and personal freedom [2].
    Among the professions that have representatives of the creative class: journalists, writers, scientists, engineers, artists, artists, PR specialists, brand designers, etc. [2] [4] In general, these are participants in a knowledge-based high-tech economy that requires creative thinking and the ability to solve problems non-standard [3].
    In Russia, the creative class is the population of mainly large cities; it is a materially well-off and educated layer of society. Data on its share vary from a few percent [1] to 14% (according to 2006 data, the Effective Policy Fund) [4]. The average age of such people is from 20 to 45 years [3].
    In Russian reality, the phrase “creative class” is sometimes mistakenly used as a synonym for the liberal opposition or a synonym for the word “hipster” [5]. In connection with the protest rallies, which began at the end of 2011, a disapproving reduction appeared in everyday life - “creaks” [6] ....

    abbreviations from wiki


    The author deliberately mixes the data (not miscible in principle) of the definition, proposing a non-existent chimera for the blaming of all the sins of society and the authorities that rule this society.
    Moreover, the author inflates social hatred and encourages those who are especially close to false conclusions and rash actions.
    1. Aleksander
      Aleksander 28 September 2014 13: 51
      +4
      You reproachfully, but .. Where is the lie? What is the deception?
      Besides:
      -Lumpen - declassed elements, people without social roots, a moral code, ready to recklessly obey the strong, that is, who at the moment has real power [2] -so they are like that because of NGOs and the ambassador-like dogs ...
      - "krativny" synonym for liberal opposition, and this is true, but in quotation marks, because they earn by making money out of money, without material production, that is, they do not create ANYTHING.
      1. Demon0n
        Demon0n 28 September 2014 15: 47
        -2
        Quote: Aleksander
        You reproachfully, but .. Where is the lie? What is the deception?
        Besides:
        -Lumpen - declassed elements, people without social roots, a moral code, ready to recklessly obey the strong, that is, who at the moment has real power [2] -so they are like that because of NGOs and the ambassador-like dogs ...
        - "krativny" synonym for liberal opposition, and this is true, but in quotation marks, because they earn by making money out of money, without material production, that is, they do not create ANYTHING.


        That is, technologists (of any field), artists, scientists, etc. - to put it mildly superfluous? Creative - from the English word, which means "create / create" (for reference). These people create what they then produce, consume, as non-material goods with all the consequences, develop sciences (in the first approximation, and this is not a reservation), and not money from money. Liberalism (also has foreign roots) is an ideology based on the desire for personal freedom. What's not clear?
        You write pathetic nonsense ...
        You need to add a little in your mind (it’s difficult to do this, but it is necessary that you have already been told).
        1. Aleksander
          Aleksander 28 September 2014 20: 03
          -1
          Your strange concept of material and scientific works, and technology, and paintings, and even thought are the essence of material things, these products are not necessarily from the machine, but also the human mental activity. It is clear that it’s hard to understand, but exert yourself, read it, although given your categorical nonsense about pathos nonsense, this is an impossible task for you. Condolences (sincerely)
          Are you nuts? (For reflection)
          1. Demon0n
            Demon0n 29 September 2014 09: 14
            -1
            Quote: Aleksander
            Your strange concept of material and scientific works, and technology, and paintings, and even thought are the essence of material things, these products are not necessarily from the machine, but also the human mental activity. It is clear that it’s hard to understand, but exert yourself, read it, although given your categorical nonsense about pathos nonsense, this is an impossible task for you. Condolences (sincerely)
            Are you nuts? (For reflection)


            I agree: he himself screwed up from the point of view of "non-material benefits", given the development of intellectual property law. However, all the previous comments to you are relevant. Only there is such a term as abstraction. So: thought is an abstraction (not the object itself).
            1. Aleksander
              Aleksander 29 September 2014 10: 44
              -1
              However, all previous comments to you are relevant.

              What are you talking about, my dear?
              -You gave the definition of create, but did I give any other?
              -You have given a definition to the concept of "liberalism, but have I somewhere stated otherwise?"

              Then what are you discussing? And who are you opposing? how can I be wrong in what I didn’t even talk about? Some kind of nonsense ...

              PS Calls to grow wiser from people who have not shown anything to a more superior degree of their mind, look at least inappropriate and just plain stupid.
              Socrates: I know that I don’t know anything, but others don’t know that either.
              1. Demon0n
                Demon0n 29 September 2014 10: 58
                0
                This:
                "-" krativny "synonym for liberal opposition - and this is true, but in quotation marks, because they earn by making money out of money, without material production, that is, they do not create ANYTHING."

                Quote: Aleksander
                However, all previous comments to you are relevant.

                What are you talking about, my dear?
                -You gave the definition of create, but did I give any other?
                -You have given a definition to the concept of "liberalism, but have I somewhere stated otherwise?"

                Then what are you discussing? And who are you opposing? how can I be wrong in what I didn’t even talk about? Some kind of nonsense ...

                PS Calls to grow wiser from people who have not shown anything to a more superior degree of their mind, look at least inappropriate and just plain stupid.
                Socrates: I know that I don’t know anything, but others don’t know that either.
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      2. Normal
        Normal 28 September 2014 16: 16
        0
        Quote: Aleksander
        You reproachfully, but .. Where is the lie? What is the deception?

        Yes, in almost every phrase starting with the title. Have you read the comments above?
        Do you understand what is written?
        Apparently not.
        Examples of lies from the article
        So, from a sociological point of view, yesterday’s march of Euromussians is the march of the unemployed and declassed tomorrow.

        The author conducted a survey among the participants of the march and knows what social groups organized him and took part in it? Does the author know how the economic situation in the country will develop?
        Because the change of the socio-economic model and the integration turn towards Asia will inevitably lead to mass unemployment among the creative class and pushing office workers to the streets.

        Where did the author see a change in the socio-economic model? In declarations and Wishlist?
        How will turning towards Asia lead to unemployment among office workers? As they traded European goods, they will only trade Asian goods.
        And if in the regions mainly industrial-oriented officials are represented, then just in Moscow one can expect a bitter struggle for power on the part of stockbrokers.

        Yes of course. Otherwise, we do not see how the regional "industry-oriented" officials are regularly caught on corruption and financial fraud.
        There will be no fierce struggle for power in Moscow, since there is no one here to fight for it. Putin has power and the State, represented by the apparatus of violence, on guard of his power. There is no power resource for stock traders. Putin has it, and even the financial resource of the GDP is several orders of magnitude greater than that of the stock market.

        There is no desire to chew further. Work (mentally) yourself. Read, comprehend, question, and reason. This is useful. hi
        1. Aleksander
          Aleksander 28 September 2014 19: 21
          0
          And your comment is the criterion of truth? Yeah ... You have not proven ANYTHING, from false messages you make affirmative conclusions, which themselves are therefore a lie.
          The author’s assumptions have the right to life and are not a lie, if only because you cannot prove it, either not having no opinion polls, no statistics, you only have a label: "This is a lie!" Your word is against his, and why is yours more convincing? Shout louder ?. For me personally, it is much more convincing than your unsubstantiated categoricality.
          You read the article, but didn’t understand, plankton does not sell goods, but creates money by manipulating financial instruments, parasitizing on kickbacks, launders and other corruption schemes.
          Swallow yourself what you chewed - more it will suit anyone:There will be no fierce struggle for power in Moscow, since there is no one here to fight for it. This is an affirmation, not a proof — do you catch the difference ?. And I affirm, THERE is coma, since they have huge financial resources, and therefore material and power resources and an admin.
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    3. FunkschNNX
      FunkschNNX 28 September 2014 14: 32
      0
      Unfortunately, we often have "Every gopher is an agronomist". Someone did not hear something, someone misunderstood something, someone has their own special meanings in words. I personally agree with you; if you have already undertaken to write / speak in Russian, then put into words the meaning that they have in the Russian language, and not some of your own speculations.
      But there is another point. Our domestic liberals and creatives themselves discredited all the best that was in these concepts. Many Russians will easily recall examples of the work of “effective” managers and the words / actions of some “liberals” and “creative” ones.
    4. zvědavost
      zvědavost 28 September 2014 18: 57
      0
      If I could, I would give you 5 +
  28. Villior
    Villior 28 September 2014 10: 17
    +1
    «There is no other integration besides Eurasian for us. This is already understood in Moscow, Minsk and Astana. So, the core of the new Union is formed", From a statement by the chief editor of the informational and analytical web project" However. Eurasia »Semyon Uralova. But the essence of this notorious Eurasian integration without the clear and understandable ideology of the above states for the citizens of these countries is, in my opinion, not yet understood, and this is extremely dangerous.
  29. Normal
    Normal 28 September 2014 10: 34
    -7
    Let's move on to the second part of the header.
    sociology of the Moscow riot

    Let us leave sociology alone, since there is not a word about it in the article. What the author poses as a sociological context is a lie and a substitution of concepts, as discussed in the previous comment.

    Let us examine the "Moscow revolt", which, as a subspecies of the Russian Revolt, should be "senseless and merciless."
    What is riot in general?

    riot - Indignation, rebellion, excitement, unrest, rebellion, rebellion, confusion, confusion, fermentation; conspiracy, complot, sedition; the revolution.

    dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/dic_synonims/12409/riot


    That is, a revolt is a spontaneous or planned, usually violent action (or explicit preparation for them, as well as their justification) of certain forces aimed at overthrowing the existing government.
    There was NO riot in Moscow to overthrow the existing government! Never!
    There were street protests against the falsification of elections in the State Duma, against the cunning return of GDP to the post of President of the Russian Federation, against his policies, against the usurpation of power by an indestructible bloc of security officials and oligarchs.
    Not a single protest led to any serious consequences, both in terms of unrest and in terms of stated goals.
    Not a single street political protest has led to a small proportion of such devastating consequences for the venue, such as riots on Manezhnaya after watching the Russia-Japan football match in 2002 or in Biryulyovo after known events.

    It was possible to discern in a peaceful protest of the Riot only in a fit of intolerable pro-government itching.

    It's just that the author has the task of escalating, exposing and provoking. Therefore, the PEACEFUL PROTEST with the requirement to listen to a different opinion (albeit not true, albeit rejected by the majority, but nonetheless existing), the author gives out for REBELLION, DISORDER, REBELLION in order to overthrow the FAVORITE, INDEPENDENT and UNABLED.
    1. Aleksander
      Aleksander 28 September 2014 14: 06
      +3
      It is you who expose what the article does not contain a word or a hint for, fight the chimera you created, wanting to succumb to power. But when this is done without reason (as now, although there are certainly a million reasons), your efforts will remain in vain ....
      And the "smart-ass" are the arguments of the opposition that has done it to death.
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    3. dr.star75
      dr.star75 28 September 2014 15: 04
      +3
      "There was NO riot in Moscow with the aim of overthrowing the existing government! Not once!" - but what about the marsh? - "Russia without Putin?
      "There were street protests against the rigged elections to the State Duma, against the clever return of the GDP to the post of President of the Russian Federation" - why did the organizers go to the American embassy the day before, why was the assistant to the American ambassador present at the street protests? What is the "cleverness" of the return of VVP to the presidency? What policy does he dislike? Who and when proved the "falsification of the elections to the State Duma?" (Do you know how the president of the State Duma is elected?)
      "None of the protests led to any serious consequences, both in terms of unrest and in terms of the stated goals." Have you been in a coma for the past few years? Otherwise, you would have seen the result of street protests: Egypt, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, finally.
      And the fact that "the protest did not lead to a small share of such devastating consequences for the site" is a merit of the professional actions of the Moscow police and the "tough nuts" in power. Otherwise it would be like in Kiev.
      1. Normal
        Normal 28 September 2014 15: 52
        +1
        Quote: dr.star75
        - But what about the swamp?

        So what? Was there a riot, riot, rebellion and bloodshed?
        Chipped enamel on the tooth of the oponovtsa and a bitten finger - do not pull on an attempt to overthrow the government.
        Quote: dr.star75
        "Russia without Putin?

        Yes, "Russia without Putin" is a riot!
        The whole history of Russia until the end of 90 is a riot!
        And the whole story after the departure of the GDP (may the Lord extend his years!) Is also rebellion and rebellion!
        Quote: dr.star75
        why did the organizers go to the American embassy the day before
        And why did the Government give agriman to the new US ambassador, despite his reputation as the organizer of the Orange Revolutions? Do not you think that we watched a performance on the drain of the protest movement?
        Quote: dr.star75
        What is the "cleverness" of the return of GDP to the presidency?

        Bypassing paragraph 3. of article 81. chapter 4 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation by appointing a "locum tenens" D.A. Medvedev
        Quote: dr.star75
        What policies do they dislike?

        Domestic economic and social. I do not like. I don’t know them.
        Quote: dr.star75
        Who and when proved the "falsification of the elections to the State Duma?"

        Aha! Have you heard ... "Go to court"
        Quote: dr.star75
        "(Do you know how the president of the SGA is elected?)

        I do not care how they choose the president of the SGA. I am a citizen of the Russian Federation, not the SGA.
        Quote: dr.star75
        "None of the protests led to any serious consequences, both in terms of unrest and in terms of the stated goals." Have you been in a coma for the past few years? Otherwise, you would have seen the result of street protests: Egypt, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, finally.

        Do not distort. It's about protests in Moscow. What protests in Moscow led to any real results? (well, except for strengthening Putin’s power, of course)
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 28 September 2014 17: 16
          +2
          paragraph 3. of article 81. of the chapter 4 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. One and the same person may not hold the office of the President of the Russian Federation for more than two consecutive terms!
          "I don't care how the president of the SGA is elected. I am a citizen of the Russian Federation, not the SGA." “But I don’t, before teaching the people democracy, you need to be democratic yourself. It is impossible for a prostitute to teach a lesson in ethics and psychology of family life at school. B.H. Obama does not have a birth certificate on the territory of the SGA. That's where the violation of the constitution is. There are enough examples of returning to the top post after a pause. The "locum tenens" could have gone himself, but he did not. Where is the violation of the constitution?
          "Aha! Have you heard ..." Go to court "- childish excuses.
          “Don't distort. This is about the protests in Moscow. What protests in Moscow led to any real results?” I repeat: “And the fact that“ the protest did not lead to a small share of such devastating consequences for the venue ”is the merit of the professional actions of the Moscow police and "tough nuts" in power. Otherwise it would be like in Kiev. " - Ie it was necessary to remove from the frozen fountain of Deputy Ponomarev in a line? and a hundred more people to put? then that knocked out teeth cost it badly the police worked? Look, when the Maidan began, and when the shootout began?
          Quote: dr.star75
          "Russia without Putin?

          Yes, "Russia without Putin" is a riot!
          The whole history of Russia until the end of 90 is a riot!
          And the whole story after the departure of the GDP (may the Lord extend his years!) Is also rebellion and rebellion! “Your thought is not clear.”
          Quote: dr.star75
          What policies do they dislike?

          Domestic economic and social. I do not like. I don’t know them. And I don’t like it either. But they didn’t talk about this in the swamp and did not offer options for their correction.
      2. Normal
        Normal 28 September 2014 15: 57
        +1
        Quote: dr.star75
        And the fact that "the protest did not lead to a small share of such devastating consequences for the site" is a merit of the professional actions of the Moscow police and the "tough nuts" in power. Otherwise it would be like in Kiev.

        Not true. The usual pro-government lie about the "Moscow Maidan"
        It would not be like in Kiev. For Maidan to be purely REALLY REQUIRED three conditions:
        1. The presence of willing to act (right sector). The right sector in Ukraine has been created, trained and prepared for more than one year. There are NO such in Russia and in particular Moscow. Well, NO and EVERYTHING! Despite all the Maidan hysteria inflated by the authorities and the ardent support of this hysteria by the population.
        2. The presence of real opposition to the Government in Parliament, ready to support and legalize street actions of militants.
        And finally.
        3. The presence of a weak-willed supreme Power looking back to the West and afraid of decisive action.

        The absence of even one of the conditions is a factor excluding Maidan

        In Ukraine, all three conditions for the Maidan were.
        None of these conditions exist in Russia!
        So take it easy.
        Everything will be quiet.

        Kremlin propaganda must urgently come up with a new horror story.
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 28 September 2014 17: 30
          +2
          You are not right.
          Item 1. "There are NO such in Russia and in particular in Moscow" - there are. Football ultras, In Kiev, they also started, after they grew to the "right sector". I talked to them, believe me - the same eggs, only in profile. Even the speech: who does not jump - that m.s.kal, copied from the fan's speech of CSKA (who does not jump, it is not a horse! ("Horses" - CSKA, and "meat" - Spartak, for example))
          item 2. Gudkov, Ponomarev - supported and legalized street actions.
          Clause 3 "The presence of a weak-willed supreme Power looking back to the West and afraid of decisive action." - But this just did not allow Clauses 1 and 2 to be implemented in Moscow. -Quote: dr.star75
          And the fact that "the protest did not lead to a small share of such devastating consequences for the site" is a merit of the professional actions of the Moscow police and the "tough nuts" in power. Otherwise it would be like in Kiev.
          1. Normal
            Normal 28 September 2014 18: 47
            0
            Quote: dr.star75
            You are not right.

            I am begging you...
            I don’t even want to object to you, as this will be a repetition of what has been said, an explanation of elementary truths and a statement of the obvious.
            Your statement about the legalization of the Gudkov and Ponomarev street actions is not true. Gudkov and Ponomarev have neither the required number of votes in the State Duma nor the power support from the swamp.
            Your statements about the right sector and football ultra are naive.
            Your jumps to US politics and organization are out of place.
            Would you like to think so - please. As you wish. I remain of my opinion and you have not proved anything to me. Not only that, you did not say anything that I would not know before that.
            Not I will honor your comments, but you - mine. And not with your opinion, the discussion began.
            Therefore, I take my leave and leave you in your error. All the best. hi
            PS
            To quote an opponent, you need to select the required part of the text, for which move the cursor over it while holding down the left mouse button, then click the "quote" box under the opponent's comment.
            It’s more convenient and understandable. wink
            1. dr.star75
              dr.star75 28 September 2014 19: 22
              +1
              "PS
              To quote an opponent, you need to select the required part of the text, for which move the cursor over it while holding down the left mouse button, then click the "quote" box under the opponent's comment.
              This is more convenient and understandable. wink "- I'm from the village, I can. wink
              "explaining elementary truths and stating the obvious" - where and what did you explain? Argument.
              "Your statement about the legalization of street actions by the Gudkovs and Ponomarevs does not correspond to reality." - it was about the opposition (which is in parliament), which itself was in the swamp. If the opposition has "the required number of votes in the State Duma" - it is not the opposition, but the ruling power.
              "Your statements about the right-wing sector and football ultras are naive" - ​​in more detail, please, I have other information, I wrote a part to you.
              "Your leaps to the politics and structure of the United States are out of place" - why? Does every country have its own democracy?
              “Moreover, you didn’t say anything that I didn’t know before” - I didn’t write anything unknown, maybe you do not interpret the events in that way?
              "I'm not going to post your comments, but you - mine" - sorry if offended. hi
        2. DRA-88
          DRA-88 28 September 2014 22: 00
          +1
          Quote: Normal
          Kremlin propaganda must urgently come up with a new horror story.


          And what do they come up with on the screen every day ....
    4. Dart2027
      Dart2027 28 September 2014 20: 11
      0
      Quote: Normal
      action (or explicit preparation for them, as well as their justification)

      Do not remember how the recent events in Ukraine began?
      Quote: Normal
      There were street protests against the falsification of elections in the State Duma, against the cunning return of GDP to the post of President of the Russian Federation, against his policies, against the usurpation of power by an indestructible bloc of security officials and oligarchs.

      That is, there was preparation for a riot according to Sharpe's method.
      1. Normal
        Normal 28 September 2014 21: 45
        0
        Quote: Dart2027
        Do not remember how the recent events in Ukraine began?

        Why so? I forgot.
        Quote: Dart2027
        That is, there was preparation for a riot according to Sharp’s method

        Sharpe’s methodology (Methods of non-violent actions) implies non-violent acts and only one of 198 points, namely the 148th (rebellion) implies alleged violence, but it refers to the shares of the GOVERNMENT STAFF, and not to the protesters on the street.
        Preparing for a riot is a little different.
        These are:
        Creation of training camps, preparation and training of battle groups (right sector).
        Testing of power actions against the forces of law and order.
        Purchase and preparation of equipment, weapons, communications.
        etc.
        On what, by the way, Limonov burned

        If, however, peaceful protest against the actions or omissions of the Authorities, as well as peaceful demonstrations in order to defend and defend their rights and interests are presented as preparing Sharpe’s rebellion, then any thought not in line with the Glory of the CPSU, PUTIN or GOD can be interpreted as rebellion, rebellion or readiness for them. Immediately all to the polygraph and to forced agricultural work according to the results of testing.
        1. Dezinto
          Dezinto 28 September 2014 21: 52
          +1
          Hefty Lenin on the Freedom Square in Kharkov is about to fall ....

          A herd of very patriotic ... will applaud ...
          1. Dezinto
            Dezinto 28 September 2014 21: 54
            0
            ..................... youth Bandera reigns and smells
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 28 September 2014 21: 56
          0
          Quote: Normal
          If a peaceful protest against the actions or omissions of the Authorities, as well as peaceful demonstrations in order to protect and defend their rights and interests, are passed off as preparation for a riot according to Sharp’s methodology

          When the people who organize them are sitting on the salary of the State Department, this is definitely preparation for a riot according to Sharpe's method.
          Quote: Normal
          Creation of training camps, preparation and training of battle groups (right sector).
          Testing of power actions against the forces of law and order.
          Purchase and preparation of equipment, weapons, communications.

          All these are trifles that, if necessary, will be delivered from abroad.
          1. DRA-88
            DRA-88 28 September 2014 22: 15
            +2
            Quote: Dart2027
            When the people who organize them are sitting on the salary of the State Department, this is definitely preparation for a riot according to Sharpe's method.


            Listen, if the government begins to lie to its own People, does not try to improve the living conditions of the People, tries to take away the right of free expression from the People, then such a state will prepare and provoke a riot!

            • You can fool some all the time; You can fool everyone for a while; but you can’t fool everyone all the time.
            Abraham Lincoln.
            Speech at Clinton Sept. 8 1858

            PS. Any power is just managers whom the people for a while delegated authority to govern the country.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 29 September 2014 05: 54
              0
              Quote: DRA-88
              then such a state itself prepares and provokes a riot

              In any state there are people who are dissatisfied with the existing power - even in tsarist Russia, even in the USSR. And there are always those who use their discontent. And if they are paid from abroad, then they use it for the purposes of their owners.
          2. Normal
            Normal 28 September 2014 22: 17
            +2
            Quote: Dart2027
            When the people who organize them sit on the salary of the State Department,

            Has the State Department provided you with payrolls?
            Quote: Dart2027
            All these are trifles that, if necessary, will be delivered from abroad.

            All! I understood you. I think that further our conversation does not make sense.
            From the beginning, such trifles as
            "Creation of training camps, preparation and training of battle groups (right sector).
            Testing of power actions against the forces of law and order.
            Purchase and preparation of equipment, weapons, communication equipment. "
            transfer from abroad (and I will observe how you will succeed), and then we will talk about the methods of preparation and implementation of the riots. hi
            1. dr.star75
              dr.star75 28 September 2014 22: 26
              0
              "From the beginning, such little things as
              "Creation of training camps, preparation and training of battle groups (right sector).
              Testing of power actions against the forces of law and order.
              Purchase and preparation of equipment, weapons, communication equipment. "
              transfer from abroad (and I'll see how you do it), and then we'll talk about the methods of preparing and implementing the riots "- the Ukrainian" right sector "trained in camps in Poland and the Baltic states. I think you know:" Not only that You didn't say anything that I didn't know before. "
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 29 September 2014 05: 52
              +1
              Quote: Normal
              Has the State Department provided you with payrolls?

              The fact that they are sitting on foreign grants is open information.
              Quote: Normal
              transfer from abroad (and I will see how you will succeed),

              What world do you live in? Over the past few years, this has been done in a bunch of countries.
              1. Normal
                Normal 29 September 2014 08: 53
                0
                Quote: Dart2027
                The fact that they are sitting on foreign grants is open information.

                Well, post screenshots or at least links. And so any disagreement with the authorities' quirks (for example, with the expansion of Moscow) can be declared paid from abroad and "confirmed" with a lethal argument - "everyone knows this."
                Quote: Dart2027
                What world do you live in? Over the past few years, this has been done in a bunch of countries.

                Let's not bring everything together. Each country had its own situation, there were different rulers. I live in Russia and discuss an article about Russian events. Again; from the beginning such trifles as
                "Creation of training camps, preparation and training of battle groups (right sector).
                Testing of power actions against the forces of law and order.
                Purchase and preparation of equipment, weapons, communications equipment. "Transfer from abroad to Russia (and I'll see how you do it, especially training camps, they, as I understand it, need to be transferred from Russia abroad), and then we'll talk about methods of preparing and carrying out riots in Russia
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 29 September 2014 20: 15
                  0
                  Quote: Normal
                  Well, put screenshots or at least links

                  Look online for "Law on Non-Profit Organizations" and a list of those who are foreign agents.
                  Quote: Normal
                  Each country had its own situation, there were different rulers.

                  That's just the same intelligence services overthrew them.
                  Quote: Normal
                  Again; from the beginning such trifles as

                  If the authorities are ready to firmly defend their line, then all these "past training camps, practicing force actions against the forces of law and order and having equipment, weapons, communication means" will face down on the asphalt in a couple of hours maximum.
                  The only thing needed is to bribe part of the country's leadership, and the rest is the little things in life.

                  Quote: Normal
                  especially training camps

                  Actually, I had in mind trained militants.
        3. dr.star75
          dr.star75 28 September 2014 22: 02
          0
          "Why then? I forgot"
          1. Distribution of cookies;
          2. Burning tires;
          3. The removal from power of the oligarchs;
          4. Signing of an agreement on Euroassociation.
  30. 1536
    1536 28 September 2014 11: 01
    +2
    The article is correct. Only in order for social corridors to start working, when a bright individualist dash, a financial speculator or a freelancer, about whom, in general, no one knows, decides to come out of the shadows and engage in work for the benefit of not only himself, but also society, it is necessary to protect him from bandits of all stripes, including those hiding behind the government service. We are now forgetting about it, we are again dividing everyone into "ours" and "aliens", and maybe it's time for everyone to think about what business he is doing in Russia and for Russia. Otherwise, knocking the soil out from under some, you can knock it out from under those who used all these, so hateful to them now, the fruits of the "labor" of the Creakles.
  31. Zomanus
    Zomanus 28 September 2014 11: 05
    +2
    Pancake. Really soon the people will not leave for MSCs en masse? I don’t believe ... And on the other hand, there is no special incentive for workers to go either ...
    1. Zuborez
      Zuborez 28 September 2014 21: 50
      0
      Now, specialist workers normally (and even more) earn money. Something in the UAC (Sukhoi), that in the UVK (Miles). It’s better not to talk about RosAtom)).
  32. kz0974
    kz0974 28 September 2014 11: 10
    +5
    "So there will be street riots in Moscow. But not because Ukraine, Putin and Novorossia. But because the socio-economic model of Moscow is flawed and parasitic. Therefore, there will be round dances, horse races, and creative protest. The buildup will not be fast, but with with each new economic decision in favor of restoring industrial-industrial sovereignty, new declassed elements will be added to the Moscow streets. There simply was no place for them in the new Russia (at least in the former role). "
    The author takes us away from the main problem. March of traitors is a trial action of the Maidan in Moscow. In St. Petersburg they did not allow such a march, but in Moscow it turned out. That's it, the process is running. The Americans allocated $ 30 billion for the coup in Russia (only $ 5 billion was allocated for the coup in Ukraine). Please note that in this march the NATO flags were carried and the black and red flags were right-wing.
  33. gunya
    gunya 28 September 2014 11: 17
    +2
    Quote: Rattenfanger
    Quote: AlNikolaich
    Many of them will undergo occupational therapy in the camp ...

    At the resorts of the Vorkuta region. With a chainsaw "Friendship" in hand.

    Why is it so far away and is it necessary with "Friendship"? There is a lot of work in the agricultural sector in the Non-Black Earth Region. Let them work hard to create food security for the state, otherwise the fields in the hinterland are overgrown with forest.
    1. 1536
      1536 28 September 2014 12: 03
      0
      "Friendship" is friendship, but IT technologies are apart. What will happen when information and other advanced technologies reach our places that are not so remote? Sits such a condemned man and controls a logging robot with a joystick. Or we will artificially support the work with a crowbar, a pick or a shovel and a saw, so that the punishment does not seem like a farce. But then it is necessary to have a lot of convicts in correctional institutions. Maybe it's still true to think about the common goals of the people and the state, while both exist.
      1. Zuborez
        Zuborez 28 September 2014 21: 54
        0
        - Soldier, take a crowbar and go sweep the parade ground.
        -But the broom is faster ??.
        -I don't want it faster, I want you for "" "Xia.
  34. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 28 September 2014 11: 24
    +2
    "The state will naturally support industrialists -
    because the state will have no other choice "/////

    And industrialists do not have ".... consumer loans, food, clothing -
    and ending with a currency bank card and a vacation in Spain "? wink

    The state will have to struggle with all private capital, and this is not easy,
    because the biggest billionaire industrialists are the president’s personal friends.
    1. Sour
      Sour 28 September 2014 11: 32
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      because the biggest billionaire industrialists are the president’s personal friends.

      No, that's not why. You think like a philistine. What do friends have to do with it? Presidents do not have friends and cannot. They only have the "right people", and they can be changed at any time. The same Yeltsin changed his entourage several times. The more power a person has, the less inclined to friendship. This is noticeable even at the level of the village council.
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The state will have to struggle with all private capital, and this is not easy,

      But it’s not necessary that you have to fight. In addition to a handful of snotty illiterate shkolota and drunken senior citizens, it is clear to everyone that a return to socialism will finally finish Russia. Personally, I do not believe that Putin will do this. He doesn't look like a fool. And he doesn’t look like a person who wants to ruin Russia either.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 28 September 2014 12: 43
        -2
        I agree with you in the assessment of President Putin.
        He is not stupid at all and wishes Russia good.
        Only here is the path of economic development from the very beginning
        (by mistake and misunderstanding of the economy, I think) laid a false
        (well, "energy superpower", remember 15 years ago?).
        And now he does not know how to get Russia out of this "resource" impasse.
        But he never abandons and replaces personal friends. Because him
        positions are so strong.
        1. Sour
          Sour 28 September 2014 19: 49
          -1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          But he never abandons and replaces personal friends.

          He has no friends, you know nothing.
          Putin (I heard from knowledgeable people) leads a lifestyle that excludes the presence of any friends. He is not a companionable person, he is very reserved and practically does not communicate with anyone outside work. People of this kind have no friends by definition.
          Those who are usually called his friends are just people with whom he once crossed paths in a joint work. For example, Chemezov. But he actually communicates with him much less often than with Zyuganov or Zhirinovsky, whom no one calls Putin's friends. Once again - he has the "right people", and nothing more. He does not have any "circle of friends", just as Yeltsin did not. Yes, and Stalin too. Brezhnev surrounded himself with friends, but he loved hunting, fishing, feasts, etc., from which Putin is very distant.
          Regarding the "resource impasse". You either do not know anything about the history of Russia, or you think that I do not know. The dependence of the Russian economy on raw material exports is undoubtedly high, but it is not higher than it was under the USSR. For your information: the share of oil and gas in Soviet exports in 1985 was 53%, now it is 55% in Russian exports. And if we take not the USSR-85, but the RSFSR-85 (this is more correct, because today's Russia is smaller than the USSR), then the share of oil and gas exports was under 60%. The raw material orientation of Russian exports emerged long before Putin, and this is not due to the fact that he allegedly "laid the wrong path."
  35. PValery53
    PValery53 28 September 2014 12: 09
    +1
    Quote: Boris55
    The recent arrest of one of the exploded allegators

    The discerning reader "recognizes" in the "exploded alegator" - the presumptuous oligarch (mired in "affairs", not calculating his strength).
  36. Horst78
    Horst78 28 September 2014 12: 11
    +4
    Interesting article. I also thought about such a layer of "degenerative office plankton", but the article describes everything very competently. But at the expense
    most of our fellow citizens, who can become fuel for the Moscow riot, are not subjects, but objects of politics and often do not even understand what kind of political and economic forces are driving them.
    then I can say so. It was in the 90s and 2000s on the Moscow streets it was possible to form (primarily by Muscovites) requirements for the country's leadership without caring about the interests of the rest of the country. Now this will not go away (remember the swamp). In the regions, the people have already formed their stable vision of the development of the state and the opinion of the "Moscow elite" we do not care.
  37. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 28 September 2014 12: 21
    +1
    So let them master real professions, and if they completely cut them off, then you can even learn to sew mittens or use a chainsaw even at the state expense.
  38. Ossetian
    Ossetian 28 September 2014 12: 34
    +3
    For normal

    Why lay out the academy. definitions? they are already known.
    In the article, they did not cram anything that was not crammed into, but rather accurately described the process of the emergence of kreakl and their "urgent needs and wishes" And the author's pro-government position?
    Or are you from the creative community and you fell across?
    1. Normal
      Normal 28 September 2014 13: 32
      0
      Quote: Ossetian
      Why lay out the academy. definitions?


      For clarity and exposure of lies.

      Quote: Ossetian
      they are already known.


      Judging by the ardent approval of the article, not everyone.

      Quote: Ossetian
      accurately described the process of occurrence of creacles.

      Read the academic definitions of the creative class again.
      The fact that the "creatives" i.e. inventive people, have become cunning and swindlers in our country, this is the paradigm of the development of society and the economy, set by the Power. Otherwise, it is very difficult to achieve success in conditions of oligarchic capitalism and irremovability of power.
      Quote: Ossetian
      "urgent needs and wishes"


      Everyone has enough to read comments. What other Wishlist!

      Quote: Ossetian
      Moreover, the pro-government position of the author?

      What do you mean "and"? And from what position does the author lie about the change in the socio-economic model and replace protest with a riot?
      Quote: Ossetian
      Or are you from the creative community and you fell across?

      Lay down. I am always across lies, demagogy and substitution of concepts.
      And I myself am a driver and have nothing to do with "kreaklam"
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 28 September 2014 20: 16
        -1
        Quote: Normal
        The fact that the "creatives" i.e. inventive people, have become cunning and swindlers in our country, this is the paradigm of the development of society and the economy, set by the Power. Otherwise, it is very difficult to achieve success in conditions of oligarchic capitalism and irremovability of power.

        And what in England, for example, there are no oligarchs? Or in the USA? Or in Germany? And the power there is always the same and the same - two parties throw the ball to each other.
  39. sv68
    sv68 28 September 2014 12: 51
    +3
    yes, many people on the site suggested practical solutions to the problem, but how exactly will the government behave in the event of a real attempt to arrange a maidan? how many ministers and deputies will support the president in a difficult hour? while we have such power and such an unprincipled maidan government is inevitable in Moscow . These demonstrations occur because those who take rams to rallies have strong support and nourishment in the Kremlin
  40. CB activist
    CB activist 28 September 2014 13: 45
    +5
    The author of the article - bravo, well done! A normal - a fat minus.
    Normal, it’s not necessary to look at Wikipedia, but in real life. In it, in real life, the highly paid service team of the Russian comprador bourgeoisie, a bunch of poorly educated office loafers who consider that any problem can be solved with the help of a set: economy (liberal), management (Anglo-Saxon flood), jurisprudence (knowledge of loopholes in laws) declared itself to be a creative class in it. ), English (this is the main thing, this is sacred). Accordingly, these are lawyers, economists, office managers (clerks, simply put).
    At the enterprises and organizations of the military industrial complex, entire floors are occupied by intellectuals who freely operate the theoretical apparatus, the existence of which the community mentioned in the previous paragraph has no idea about. But these intellectuals are denied creativity because they are physicists, mathematicians, engineers.
    Normal, the chimera of the lumpen-kreakliate was not invented by the author of the article, this chimera exists in real Russian society, it is very aggressive, and there is no need to "sew" extremism to the author, there is an abundance of it in the lumpen-kreakliate. The reality, Normal, consists in the fact that aggressive and creatively sterile subjects have crept into the upper strata of society, throwing the intellectual layer of creators grown in the USSR into poverty and futility. Now is the time to do something about this problem, the article is essentially about this.
    1. Aleksander
      Aleksander 28 September 2014 20: 19
      0
      Well said, short and clear.
    2. Aleksander
      Aleksander 28 September 2014 20: 19
      0
      Well said, short and clear.
    3. Zuborez
      Zuborez 28 September 2014 22: 06
      +1
      At the moment, at the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, entire floors are occupied by economists and other heretics.

      And those same intellectuals show truly "Machiavellian" cunning and ingenuity, so as not to let go of what is already there, and somehow develop further.

      From personal experience:
      "T50 is economically unprofitable" is the verdict of the economics department in the Sukhoi design bureau. And these are exactly those who were said above "these are our children, they studied to be economists and lawyers in order to live better."

      Without a machine gun, life is not life)).
      1. CB activist
        CB activist 28 September 2014 23: 01
        +1
        ZuboreZ, you are right, I also observe this phenomenon. At the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, there is simply an invasion of bureaucrats, the administrative-bureaucratic element strongly oppresses the creative, constructive element, this is true. But the creative layer still exists, it still occupies floors (only without European-quality repair), but if it is completely exhausted, then the "black fox" will come, but for now it is not evening ... And economists parasitizing on scientific and production teams of the military-industrial complex on liberal marches are unlikely to go. It seems to me so, because I also contact them, applying the appropriate adaptive flexible methods for this. Their self-esteem is a little different, more modest, because they do not sit on raw materials.
    4. Normal
      Normal 29 September 2014 00: 12
      +1
      Quote: SV Activist
      Normal, it’s not necessary to look at Wikipedia, but in real life.

      If in real life you are offered a mixture of a bulldog with a rhinoceros, do not look at Wikipedia or dictionaries (there are abstruse boring and dead academic knowledge, they write that this is not possible), take a word! You believe the author, who gives out a mixture of creativity (creativity, invention, inventing and a non-standard approach to solving problems) and lumpen (homeless, street prostitute, unemployed). It's almost the same thing, right?
      It was not office plankton that declared itself a creative class (which knows its real value and does not experience any illusions about itself). This was done by pro-government ideologists to oppose the supposedly statist in power, to rally the electorate around these pseudo-statists, and to further maintain and strengthen their power.
      Quote: SV Activist
      Normal, the chimera of the lumpen-creakliate was not invented by the Author of the article, this chimera exists in real Russian society, it is very aggressive, and there is no need to "sew" extremism to the Author, there is an abundance of it in the lumpen-creakliate.

      What are the real, living representatives of this chimera.
      Quote: SV Activist
      The reality, Normal, lies in the fact that aggressive and creatively sterile subjects crawled out into the upper strata of society, throwing the intellectual layer of creators grown in the USSR into poverty and hopelessness.

      Names please. What would we know who cast aside the layer of creators into poverty and hopelessness. At the same time, the names of those who cover up these barren entities hold them on the state. service or state. media
      Quote: SV Activist
      Now it is time to do something with this problem, an article, in essence, about it.

      Why is it just now? And before that, everyone was happy with everything?
      Need to do something! Of course you must! Economic growth - zero! Officially, but in fact there is a minus. The dollar is under forty. Oil - below a hundred per barrel. And most importantly, who should it be blamed for? The opposition has NO leverage to put pressure on the economy. Bulk? The played card. What to do? Do not accept their responsibility for the state of affairs.
      Well, we’ll invent a mixture of a bulldog with a rhino and declare it the culprit of all troubles, an enemy of the people and the state. And what? Come down! People hawks, as they once said.
      Tasty?
      1. CB activist
        CB activist 29 September 2014 02: 08
        0
        Normal, you swagger, like a second year on the back, when schoolchildren go through difficult material: "Well, I didn't understand at all what the teacher says, let him repeat it again, from the very beginning !!!". The beginning, Normal, you missed a long time ago, I am telling you as a "teacher". I will not explain basic things so that you can still show off. After all, this is your main goal, right? If you still don’t know who threw the layer of creators into poverty, then you never wanted to know this, second year, and if you didn’t want to, then why am I going to tell you about it to give you another reason to show off?

        You have to be completely out of topic to write that the "creative class" and the criteria for belonging to it were invented by pro-government ideologists. Are Latynina, Minkin, Sobchak - pro-government ideologists? And M. Khodorkovsky and V. Inozemtsev with their work "The sociobiological nature of the contradictions of the XXI century", which is the manifesto of the creative class, are they really, too, that ..., pro-government ideologists?

        In conclusion, I’ll tell you, Mr. Repetitioner, the lumpen-creacliate in commodity quantities is produced by the Higher School of Economics. Its teachers and students are real living people with real names and surnames, some surnames are even on Wikipedia. Should I write them out, or will you find it yourself? HSE is a provider of highly paid service staff for the Russian comprador bourgeoisie, everyone knows this, except for you, of course.
  41. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 28 September 2014 13: 58
    +2
    Quote: hyperboreia
    Yesterday one such reveled in his cynicism on television after Alexei Pushkov's Postscript.

    Obviously, you mean a subject who, in order to show off, pinned up in a butterfly. A typical representative of this very lumpen creacliate, although it would probably be more correct to call all this shoobla a lumpen cloacliate, because this liberal party cesspool produces nothing except the stink, which it distributes always and everywhere, and the more actively, the more actively the strengthening public disposal mechanism!
  42. Gora66
    Gora66 28 September 2014 15: 05
    +2
    ... or maybe you just don’t have to be sheep and go after the goat leaders?
  43. zum3112
    zum3112 28 September 2014 15: 28
    0
    it is necessary to transfer the economic capital from Moscow to Novosibirsk, the Government, the Central Bank, all agencies, etc. and so on. No matter how much money it costs. In Moscow, leave only the political leadership, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and both chambers of Parliament. Moscow will immediately breathe a sigh, and “decide” everything and let them breathe fresh Siberian air who sucked the budget. It will resolve itself, they don't know how to work, they are used to getting everything for free. They want to eat, they have to start working, or let them buy one-way tickets to the west. Let them see who and how they are needed there.
  44. provincial
    provincial 28 September 2014 15: 37
    -1
    These march participants do not learn from the mistakes of others. They want to see the same as in Ukraine., But they still had to decide which region or region in Russia would be subjected to ATO.
  45. shelva
    shelva 28 September 2014 15: 55
    +1
    Every office peel perceives itself as a necessary link in our society. And who needs it besides themselves and their Western "uncles"? It's time for them to learn something useful, there is more sense from digging canals for the state than from the resale of second-rate goods from overseas.
    1. Papabear
      Papabear 28 September 2014 17: 16
      0
      Some people with "barracks sociology" imagined that, exaggeratedly, the speed of assembly and disassembly of the machine gun in the country will result in scientists, engineers who create not a third-rate domestic product, the direct road of which is to a disposal site for a bulldozer, but something of high quality and necessary the world, forgetting about its direct task - to protect everything that happens inside the country, including - and peace marches. Because there are people who in their lives are guided not by the use of brute and even armed force, but by the power of mind, goodness and creativity, and it is their right to express their position that solves the issue with goodwill. And then here some of the exiles can also be sent to guard the exiled there, and they will be there, in the same conditions, the same exiles, only on the other side of the "wire".

      And we will repaint the Kremlin in green.
      1. TOR2
        TOR2 28 September 2014 18: 37
        +1
        Quote: PapaBear
        Because there are people who in their life are not guided by the use of brute and even armed force, but by the power of mind, kindness and creation, and it is their right to express such a position that solves the issue by good will.

        The question begs itself. Then why did not these people express their position after the Odessa events?
        1. Papabear
          Papabear 28 September 2014 19: 04
          +1
          Do we have a free meeting? Will the media show single pickets? The police will quietly stretch them out. It takes a lot of people to demonstrate the number of opinions. It needs to be collected, it is necessary to contact it, people will allocate time - and go out on the "march", an application for which still needs to be submitted and approved. Everything happens easily and "on time" when this "everything" is already prepared. Or do you think that someone in the "summer cottage" is interested in what is happening, or in the summer there is an opportunity to gather everyone? The end of the financial year and the beginning of the school year must also be taken into account. This is about the Odessa tragedy. As for the "march of the Makarevichs" - I would say that it is muddy water, where everyone was catching their fish. I can’t say more precisely, I don’t know any of the former there, and I didn’t go there myself.
        2. Papabear
          Papabear 28 September 2014 19: 34
          0
          I wrote a post and realized that I did not answer your question. Because an ordinary person who has to work, feed and monitor children has no time to follow political ups and downs, especially when nothing is clear in them. There is a saying - if you want peace, get ready for war. They are preparing for peace, you are here for war. Division of labor in the state. And do not require people to monitor and respond to security issues if they are not trained in this. But to know what they are trained is a matter of counterintelligence. Let her head hurt, they called themselves breasts
  46. TOR2
    TOR2 28 September 2014 16: 57
    +1
    Quote: shelva
    Every office shelupon imagines itself to be a necessary link in our society.

    But was it not so in the USSR? It’s just that the abomination was not exhibited at the show, but it broke through it in the 90s.
    I recently had an interesting conversation with a friend. He was talking about the office. Their work there is not unbending, and if you did not manage to do it during working hours, then stay to finish it after work. Otherwise, not only the office will be left without money. So the most interesting thing is that there are not very many people who want to fill their vacancies with plankton.
  47. sounddoc
    sounddoc 28 September 2014 17: 02
    +1
    A good example: a creative shovel for a creative Makarevich. During breaks, you can dive to the music ...
  48. sounddoc
    sounddoc 28 September 2014 17: 08
    +1
    Work tool for individuals like Sobchak and other glamor ...
  49. PATTIY
    PATTIY 28 September 2014 17: 28
    0
    People, you are so small!
    Under our law, spontaneous gatherings are prohibited, as well as a call for a change in the constitutional system, power, etc. here - calls for separatism!
    Well, let’s get together once, took a picture. Then they’ll stick to the album ...
    revolution of the Erov all together.
  50. -СтрР° РЅРЅРёРє-
    -СтрР° РЅРЅРёРє- 28 September 2014 18: 32
    0
    I completely disagree with the author - "Each revoked license from the next bank engaged in financial speculation - this is a new thousand in the crowd of lumpen-kreaklyat." Where is the thousand ??? Dozens are a guide! And that is not a fact. Specialists are always in demand.
    "Every banned item to be imported from Western and Central Europe is a few more unemployed managers." See above! wink
    Birzhevikam - Forex in hand. If not quite downs. hi
    Officials? It seems that they multiply using all methods - from division (amoebas are no longer even envious! repeat ) before budding. A fishing rod in hand, a pension and an undeserved vacation !!! There will be less harm! It will only become easier for everyone to breathe, including for the economy (for maintenance, benefits, etc. how much does it take?) And how much easier will it be to resolve any issues?
    Remain - the same in the same place. I think for a long time already lists only that are not stamped in marble. It remains only to give a command!