Inventor from Moldova saves humanity from air crashes

A native of Moldova, Alexander Bilan, having formed a team of like-minded physicists and chemists in Finland, created a security system for airplanes, naming it “SIAAB1 2013” and “SIAAB2 2013”. The invention has become a global scale “bomb”, the public is looking forward to the final experiment. Reports about it Arguments and Facts in Moldova.

The meaning of the invention, in short, is that the plane does not explode when it crashes on the ground, and the passengers do not die or even get injured.

“The first direction of discovery - the SIAAB1 2013 system is a special substance, the secret of which lies in its formula. Kerosene is added to a mixture of very strong chemicalsaviation fuel for jet engines), changing its chemical and physical structure and turning it into a solid, similar to green sand. In this case, kerosene ignition becomes impossible, ”the newspaper writes. The formula of the substance is kept secret. For 100 liters of kerosene you will need 1 liter of SIAAB1 fluid.

The second direction is the SIAAB2 2013 system. “This is a hybrid liquid and foamy substance (the chemical formula of which is also classified), located in special titanium capsules. 8 seconds before the crash, it automatically fills the interior, turning into foam. In contact with air, the "magic" substance increases in volume by 416 and hardens, creating a kind of "cocoon" around the passenger, blocking any movements. This avoids injuries when hitting the ground. After 30 seconds, it again turns into liquid - the effect of shock energy lasts no more than 4-5 seconds. The substance has a slightly pungent odor, but harmless to the eyes and skin, ”the newspaper article states.

“The information in the press that it will be necessary to remove 20 seats in airplanes in order to implement this security system is incorrect. Modern liners almost 1,5 times easier than they were before. The weight that we add to the board of the largest aircraft, and this is A 380, will be the maximum 3 tons. With that, the area of ​​its wings and the power of the engines allow to add more than 30 tons- said Alexander Balan.

The inventor is confident in the success of the project. "Now we are looking for a suitable place in the USA, in California, for the last testing. It is important to find a suitable airport and obtain a license to conduct experiments. We have already found the plane, which is left to fly no more than 5000 km, and are going to introduce our technology, having filled it with sensors and dummies. We hope to realize all this in the second half of this year. Agree, to show in the conditions of the landfill how an airplane falling at tremendous speed hits the ground and does not explode, and passengers are not injured - this is something! The whole world is waiting for this. ”- said Bilan.

Commenting on the invention of the compatriot, the head of the Directorate for the organization of air traffic of the State Enterprise “MoldATSA” noted: “Without knowing all the physical and chemical characteristics of the aircraft safety system invented by Alexander Balan, it is difficult to give it an unequivocal assessment. I am skeptical of the discovery. Requirements for aircraft security systems are very high, it is extremely difficult to implement something radically new in the construction of aircraft. If the invention is not recognized by ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) and IATA (International Air Transport Association), and also does not pass the relevant certification procedures (as required by other international organizations), this project will be very difficult to implement. "

Comments

[pensioner]

8 seconds before the crash
Of course, I understand that science is omnipotent, but that would be SO ...

[Giant thought]

We wish you good luck with this methodology during the tests, and soon get the necessary certificates, because the life of people is at stake.

[VAF]

Quote: Thought Giant

Good luck with this technique.

This is the method of BRED "gray mare"

1. How will they be determined and by what or by whom these notorious 8 seconds before .... fall?
What if a fire or explosion in the air?

2. Where exactly will these cylinders be "crammed" into which group of tanks or only into the consumable one? And how will the fuel automation work in general?
A long time ago there were a system of neutral gas and cellular foam in the tanks and?

3. What and by whom will false alarms and sensors be monitored?

And so on and so on ... in short, I want to ask .. "Inventor" of the plane that at least once seen?

[pensioner]

Quote: vaf

1. How will they be determined and by what or by whom these notorious 8 seconds before .... fall?

In-in. SW Waf, as always, expertly, step by step, revealed all the misunderstandings.

[vvvvv]

1. Electronics will determine the distance to the ground with a small error from the plane without problems, and also calculate the time to collision with an acceptable error and a known speed, albeit with an acceptable error.
In case of fire, the system can also be turned on.
Those. this is the simplest.
The remaining points do not make sense and discuss. Any self-propelled guns can have redundant and other links that are taught in any of those. University in the basic course of TAU.
As for whether a person can withstand overloads on impact, they want to do this by modeling with mannequins. Like experiments for cars.
It is possible to conduct an experiment at home, for example, by placing two halves of a piece of foam in a made cavity for a chicken egg. Then fasten the two halves with an egg between them and throw this piece on the floor. The egg is very fragile ... Then you can simulate with a cat from the roof, etc.

[pensioner]

Quote: vvvvv

1. Electronics will determine the distance to the ground with a small error from the plane without problems, and also calculate the time to collision with an acceptable error and a known speed, albeit with an acceptable error.

If this is a stone dropped from a known height or, in extreme cases, an artillery shell, then yes, maybe ... But the plane ??? With his ability to fall not like a stone, but in accordance with the laws of a \ e-dynamics ... For the notorious 8 seconds, I personally would not vouch. But who knows: what modern sciences have come to ... I’m ready to take my words back and eat my pre-moth hat. But only if they convince me of the infallibility of the predictions of these 8 seconds ...

[vvvvv]

1. Electronics will determine the distance to the ground with a small error from the plane without problems, and also calculate the time to collision with an acceptable error and a known speed, albeit with an acceptable error.
In case of fire, the system can also be turned on.
Those. this is the simplest.
The remaining points do not make sense and discuss. Any self-propelled guns can have redundant and other links that are taught in any of those. University in the basic course of TAU.
As for whether a person can withstand overloads on impact, they want to do this by modeling with mannequins. Like experiments for cars.
It is possible to conduct an experiment at home, for example, by placing two halves of a piece of foam in a made cavity for a chicken egg. Then fasten the two halves with an egg between them and throw this piece on the floor. The egg is very fragile ... Then you can simulate with a cat from the roof, etc.

[dkflbvbh]

I heard this nonsense about two or three years ago on a zomboyaschik.

[saber1357]

Well, what are you all arguing about, friends! This is just another ukropia-style PR - here we are, Moldova, despite the Russian sanctions, and you are quilted jackets and so on. And in general, all ancient people are not dill, but Moldo ...., and radio was invented in Moldova in the Chisinau market (when the Russians were kicked out and "washed with Russian blood" the streets of Chisinau, as they shouted in the 90s). It is enough to hear the word moldavia and there is no need to discuss any technical details (such obvious as, for example, the CONSEQUENCES of just a single false operation of this system during the flight, think, huh?).

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: retired

Of course, I understand that science is omnipotent, but that would be SO.

Jura, don’t give a hi! The speed of hitting the ground will be such that even with a body as fixed as possible, an internal rupture of organs is inevitable. The body will be whole from the outside, but inside there will be an out

[ohtandur]

the point is that the substance has absorbed kinetic energy, it should not reach people. It’s like a helmet of a motorcyclist, because he saves his head. The principle is the same. The task is to create materials. And the fact that kerosene will not catch fire is already a big plus, I think it will be useful for the military as well.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: ohtandur

It’s like a helmet of a motorcyclist, because he saves his head.

Outwardly, of course, she will save, and her brains will turn into porridge.

Quote: ohtandur

the point is that the substance has absorbed kinetic energy, it should not reach people

Oh, at least imagine what you mean? The speed of the body is equivalent to the speed of fall of the aircraft and when it collides with the ground, the overload will be such that there is nothing good left inside. The material will not be able to absorb energy.

[ohtandur]

I agree, maybe it won’t save, but it’s worth trying. And for what they are minus I do not understand.

[nickname 1 and 2]

The eternal engine is another!

At speeds of 100km / h, the pillow in the car is like an executioner!

And at such speeds as in airplanes, the body must be stopped. Bubbles-granules must rest on something and "catch" the body! If the resulting "pillow" has sufficient hardness, then the body will be smeared like a raw egg on this "pillow" and vice versa - the soft "pillow" will break through with the skeleton (ie the organs are "soft-boiled").

Say, jumping from a bridge onto water, you might not survive if you hit, and with a parachute you cannot get into the water. Small happens to stay alive.

There are no physicists among inventors!

Not cost effective! but for these, with Obama at the head, any adventure would allow the charm of the world to be parted. So it can and ride.

[pazuhinm]

if a vertical fall - will not save. And what if an emergency landing?

[VAF]

Quote: pazuhinm

And what if an emergency landing?

So landing or falling? if landing, then .. above the roof there are enough safety belts. if you fall, then .. just the will of chance!

[Iline]

Some sort of utter nonsense.
Didn’t he read anything about kinetic energy at school? And how is an impact on an object of a certain mass determined even with all bubbles and fillers when falling from a certain height at a certain speed?
Although...
Today Rusnano again asked the government for another 100 billion rubles. No more and no less, a very well-calculated amount.

[Manul]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Oh, at least imagine what you mean? The speed of the body is equivalent to the speed of fall of the aircraft and when it collides with the ground, the overload will be such that there is nothing good left inside. The material will not be able to absorb energy.

Theoretically, it can .Only the pillow volume should be incredibly huge. The stuntmen fall from high heights onto a stack of cardboard boxes.
That is, in practice - this is hardly probable. The softening impact layer will probably be hundreds of meters thick, if not kilometers.

[Lopatov]

The bottom line is to fix people.

[nickname 1 and 2]

I don’t remember where I read. Tupolev came to the old woman to personally talk as she was the only one left alive after an unsuccessful landing of one of the first TU-114s.
She and her chair flew out through the collapsed body of the carcass and, like on a sled in a chair, flew through the entire space of the surroundings, never turning over.
She covered the distance in the chair is very significant.
And she did not meet any bubbles or granules (but this happens 1 time)

[nickname 1 and 2]

I don’t remember where I read. Tupolev came to the old woman to personally talk as she was the only one left alive after an unsuccessful landing of one of the first TU-114s.
She and her chair flew out through the collapsed body of the carcass and, like on a sled in a chair, flew through the entire space of the surroundings, never turning over.
She covered the distance in the chair is very significant.
And she did not meet any bubbles or granules (but this happens 1 time)

[VAF]

Quote: ohtandur

. It’s like a helmet of a motorcyclist, because he saves his head.

This is true only at low speed (somewhere up to 60 km / h) or during a "controlled" fall (in races) and even then not always.
Damping effect for vital human organs .. dead poultice.
Try to take a cube with a volume of 2 cubic meters of water or 3 and .. immerse yourself in it and ask to drop you from the roof of 5 floors

[the polar]

With the acceleration gained, when falling from a few kilometers and colliding with the ground, all the giblets and brains of passengers will turn into jelly, they would not be packed into some kind of durable camera

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

the whole from the outside, but the inside will be out

Yeah, and in the window dress as a whole, it’s not just a fall of the device, but an attempt at a hard landing. I doubt that in the event of a similar death of a Malaysian plane, in any case, no one will fly to the earth alive. However, in isolated cases, people can be saved if their hysteria due to claustrophobia does not happen.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Hedgehog

However, in isolated cases, people can be saved,

And not vice versa?
According to Wikipedia, 10 air crashes occurred this year in the world. We remove the military, light-engine, caused by external conditions in the form of anti-aircraft (aviation?) Missiles and incomprehensible, like the loss of a Malaysian plane

Remain 5. Only in one case, this invention would not help.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Spade

Only in one case would the invention not help.

Everyone has their own opinion on this! Personally, I agree with A. Romanov. His opinion is closer to me! And in this regard, I DO NOT INSERT ANYTHING, but I am waiting for the completion of the tests, which will put everything in its place.

[ispaniard]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The speed of impact on the ground will be such that even with a body as fixed as possible, internal rupture of organs is inevitable. The body will be whole from the outside, but inside there will be an out

Sash, welcome! When I saw the photo of "Moldavian-genius" from Aeronautics, I already began to guess that - "We want to surpass the iPhone" in terms of innovation (phones are busy, we will try nothing - Airplanes!), I read the article and was only convinced of my guess. Any -

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Coming from Moldova Alexander Bilan

dreams of becoming Steve Jobs ... (If only I wouldn’t copy the pose with such accuracy ...)))

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: ispaniard

. (If only I wouldn’t copy the pose with such accuracy ...)))

Yes, it’s he who earns money and most likely from advertising watches.
Healthy

[pensioner]

Hello Sasha.
And how does he determine those very 8 sec. before the disaster ???
And the fact that the presence of some kind of foam there and something else in the cabin does not cancel the overload - I understand. What is the difference to the human body in what way it is slowed down from a speed of 500 km / h to zero in a very short time? The result of the effect of this inhibition on the tissues of the human body will be directly proportional to the acceleration arising from this.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: retired

The result of the effect of this inhibition on the tissues of the human body will be directly proportional to the acceleration arising from this.

I suppose that not all Americans know about it

[Juborg]

And again, Alexander Romanov, got to the very point (I'm afraid to praise, they will not understand correctly!), No one canceled the kinetics on earth. To suppress such a speed (fall), in the conditions of the earth, only afterburner engines (like landing-transport) are capable of and only partially.

[Lopatov]

Do you think airbacks in cars save people in an accident?

[Mahmut]

Complete nonsense. Upon impact, the load on the internal organs of a person will remain the same. In integrity, not the person’s life will be preserved, but his leather bag filled with minced meat and bone fragments.

[Aleksander]

And besides, imagine what will happen to the eyes, ears and nose filled with this substance, with what (?) Force it will compress the chest, you need to breathe (in 8 sec before the fall-Ha!)...
In short, this is nonsense and long debunked ...

[i80186]

Helium airships are a truly safe way to fly, albeit not so fast. And the planes, what can I say - the essence of the redesigned bombers. There, security was initially not the main thing, speed and height were the main thing there. So we have what we have.

[afire]

fixing a person rigidly means transferring all the impact energy to him, and a damper that extinguishes energy is needed. An example is a bubble film, upon impact, the earth on one side and the body being saved on the other, all the energy goes into pressure inside the bubbles, the effect will only be if the integrity of the damper is maintained. Otherwise, cunts against each other ...
Proposed - complete nonsense, going against physics.

Much more effective for damping the rate of fall is jet jets, as before landing tanks from an airplane. TESTED AT LEAST!

[almost demobil]

But isn’t it easier to make a shootable saloon and descent on a parachute system? Oh yes, it's expensive!

[schizophrenic]

Here on tests, volunteers, in space programs, one withstood 50zh, impact. One J. equivalent speed of 10 m per second. The trained man was in a special chair, and the blow occurred on the exhale.
Question: how to distribute the blow and increase the time of striking for an unprepared person.
In my opinion, better than no chair. Now, if the seats could spin. The plane crashes and the seats turn back in the direction of impact, then a person will be able to withstand up to 15 g on impact.
.
True, there will be problems with the design of aircraft.

[schizophrenic]

So it is, different blows when the planes fall. There is a clean one when stuck at speed and remains in place, and there is, when hit, it starts tumbling at the direction of motion. Here passive safety systems will help.

[the polar]

With the acceleration gained, when falling from a few kilometers and colliding with the ground, all the giblets and brains of passengers will turn into jelly, they would not be packed into some kind of durable camera

[And Us Rat]

Quote: retired

Of course, I understand that science is omnipotent, but that would be SO ...

Bullshit is all, for 1001 reason.
If we were to create a system against crashes, I would suggest an airplane - which, in the event of fatal breakdowns, is forcibly split into segments (like in a worm) and each segment is lowered onto an individual parachute system (like a capsule).

[Georgy USSR]

God’s crap - and complete!

[Mooh]

Gives near-science fiction. I hope not a duck and has a real soil under it.

[ohtandur]

I read this news in Moldovan news portals in the summer. The bottom line is that Moldova sent the inventor far and for a long time and he developed it for the United States, they are interested in it, they are financing it. And our ex-post factum is blown into feathers - they say that is what the Moldavians are proud of. I myself am proud, but I understand that no one in Moldova has done anything for him and it’s unfair to be proud. And whether these inventions will help the world or not, let's see, the main thing is that there are people who think about development and security.

[ohtandur]

and for what minus, explain, dear anonymous?

[afire]

Quote: ohtandur

and for what minus explain

For faith in the described nonsense. It is your business to believe or not, but our right is a minus or a plus. Excuse me....

[ohtandur]

minus for knowledge of physics, I agree to receive. And I don’t agree for faith. Until I make sure that nonsense - faith has the right to live.

[korjik]

Don’t take it into your head! For the wrong cut of eyes, for the wrong flag, for arguing with the giants of thought and the fathers of Russian democracy. Some visitors to this site who do not distinguish a piano from a shkolot toilet these stars speak about the length of the tongue.

[Aleksander]

Moldova sent the inventor far and long


Correctly sent ...

[ohtandur]

Moldova sends everyone indiscriminately, right and wrong, and then puffs up "ours abroad". If they weren't from Moldova, forgive your comments, but if you have a minus - the country should support local scientists and kulibins, even if they are not so great.

[ISKANDER25]

Hello! This is really a BOMB !!! You can secretly land without a parachute!

[Letun]

Quote: ISKANDER25

Hello! This is really a BOMB !!! You can secretly land without a parachute!

Yes you what! Now imagine the shock overload at the moment of an instant decrease in speed, even from 200 to 0 km / h. All internal organs come off. If the described system really works as described in the article, it will be able to save people in case of an accident on takeoff or landing, but not in any way when the plane crashes from a great height.

[ttv-cfo]

For some reason, I immediately remembered a motorcyclist in a helmet .... The head seems to be intact, only porridge from the brain ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Letun

Yes you what! Now imagine the shock overload at the moment of an instant decrease in speed,

Damn, I wrote the same thing, well, later than you. Okay, there Yura

[ISKANDER25]

Hello! Well, for example, from low altitudes or when you need to reduce the visibility of the canopy of the parachute by reducing its area, or the safety of the BMD crew when landing inside the car, secretive splashdown and the technology will develop!

[VAF]

Quote: Letun

Now imagine the shock overload at the moment of an instant decrease in speed, even from 200 to 0 km / h. All internal organs come off

Landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier takes 2 seconds from the moment the hook hooks onto the cable and .. something doesn’t come off from anyone
And there is a touch at a speed of 250-270 however

Only seatbelts or an ejection seat ... no more panacea!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vaf

Landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier takes 2 seconds from the moment the hook hooks onto the cable and .. something doesn’t come off from anyone

Serge, in the event of a collision with the ground, these 2 seconds are not at all.
As an example, they did not save Princess Diana in a Mercedes covered in safety cushions. Death as a result of a rupture of internal organs. Overload at this moment was much stronger than that of a deck pilot.

[ISKANDER25]

Hello, Sergey! Thank you for your support!

[Max otto]

And who then scuffles the paratroopers from the foam?

[ISKANDER25]

Hello, Aleksey! As I understand it, it will be modified later?

[ISKANDER25]

Hello! Of course, more experienced members of the forum warned me that cons could be unreasonable, but to such an extent! You could just enlighten, explain, well, if it’s easier for you, please!

[schizophrenic]

As for landing, Lukyanov has Cold Toys in the Stars. Since the hero used ejection and landing according to the proposed scheme, the material should very much absorb shock load. Yes, it takes time to reduce overload.
Seriously, after 30 years, with the development of materials one would think.

[Vend]

It is written beautifully, but what will happen in practice? If, as it is written, the US bummer, they will not be able to speculate in politics and public opinion by knocking down passenger liners.

[ISKANDER25]

Hello! I absolutely agree! Poisonous teeth were pulled out from the snake!

[volot-voin]

There are still bright heads among Russian people. It’s a pity that the first idea will be introduced not in Russia.

[igor1981]

Very interesting. We will follow further.

[activator]

Well, if everything written here is true, then the guy is really not from this planet!

[Saratovets]

in cars would introduce, that's where the potential

[Flinky]

Wow. There, the moment of collision is easier to calculate onboard system.

[stayer]

Fantastic.
With kerosene, of course, it is possible not to catch fire. But the foam from overloads will not save. Yes, the body will not hit the chair or another obstacle, but the overload itself will not go anywhere. Accordingly, upon impact, the weight of for example the heart will be 100 kg, etc. In this case, when the foam turns back into liquid, all bodies will sit in chairs, intact. That's just inside the bodies will be minced. So it's fantastic.

[Terminolol]

Rather, it will help as an airbag. In case of emergency landings, the thing will be indispensable, but in the fall - I agree with you on 100% (nonsense). And often planes begin to fall apart even in the air.

[stayer]

I agree that it will not save us from destruction in the air.

[Aleksander]

So sho-in "cocoons" will "safely" land

[hhhhhhh]

Most accidents occur during landing

[hhhhhhh]

Most accidents occur during landing

[Shtyn dwarf]

Quote: stayer

Fantastic.
With kerosene, of course, it is possible not to catch fire. But the foam from overloads will not save. Yes, the body will not hit the chair or another obstacle, but the overload itself will not go anywhere. Accordingly, upon impact, the weight of for example the heart will be 100 kg, etc. In this case, when the foam turns back into liquid, all bodies will sit in chairs, intact. That's just inside the bodies will be minced. So it's fantastic.

How much does the heart of a military pilot weigh when overloaded at 10g?

Found the formula

P = m * g In our case, P = m * 10g By the way, weight is measured in Newtons. It turned out with an overload of 10G heart weight 30kg

[sever.56]

Yes, after hitting the ground with great speed, only a bag of bones will remain in this cocoon.

[koksalek]

Once airbags and seat belts in a car were considered completely unnecessary, but there were no airbags, turn signals, I remember my father’s motorcycle M104 seems to have 3 lights and all the illumination

[IAlex]

Full crap, a blow from 10 thousand meters of a human carcass against a hard obstacle with a high density will probably be about 27 tons overload. 80 kg of weight ...

In general, Ilyushin’s project about parachutes for the part of the fuselage is the most logical option ...

[ISKANDER25]

Hello! And the individual automatic triggered parachutes mounted in a chair + this invention + Ilyushin's project-in the complex?

[IAlex]

Ilyushin had a project that the plane consists of several parts mounted, in case of problems the wings and tail are separated from the plane. the fuselage is closed by bulkheads and is divided into three parts, which first slow down parachutes and then brake parachutes with a drop in speed, and all this shnyaga lands either on water or on the ground, which are then rescued by the rescue services even in stormy and adverse conditions. ..

[KAPITANUS]

Moldavian scientists - it sounds Proud! And if it works, then generally.

[A1L9E4K9S]

All inventions in the world at all times seemed fantastic and the inventors were insane, wait and see how it will be in this case.

[muginov2015]

It would be better if he invented plaster, which itself would lie on the walls, countrymen would kiss him in the ass.
But in fact, patents for parachute systems for a unit with passengers have long been granted. But, carriers do not need to do this - cheaper to pay insurance. And yet. No placeholder will save from an impact on the ground at a speed of 900 km per hour. Yes, and torn metal poh that cut the foam, or human flesh.
Conclusion: Another adventurer with a Nigerian scheme.

[ohtandur]

Quote: muginov2015

It would be better if he invented plaster, which itself would lie on the walls, countrymen would kiss him in the ass.

in your opinion, the inheritance of Moldavians to do with plaster, but they are not suitable for anything else? I want to tell you that your joke gives a bad taste. Moldovans also have great people, even if there are not so many of them as Russians. But to do from all the people of tilers-plasterers is not necessary dear.

[muginov2015]

Do not take anything personal at your own expense. And about plastering, I’m quite serious. I was tormented myself at the time. Moreover, there are already plastering machines in the world. And the fact that your fellow countrymen are mainly specialists in the construction, well, it’s a fact, as Jews are bankers, or there are aisers-traders. Our century-century of specialization, and I see nothing shameful in this.

[ohtandur]

they were scattered by the gang of Gorbi and Co. What do we have over that and crying (

[muginov2015]

And who is arguing with this? that’s all. People who are not living a good life leave home.

[kostyan77708]

usually if something breakthrough is created and is designed to save many lives, then by some strange "accident" the inventor either disappears, or they say that all this garbage and in practice has not been confirmed, then all the documentation on the invention disappears without a trace and is stored somewhere ... let's see what will happen later, but it seems to me that we will never hear more about this invention ... unless of course it (the invention) was !!!

[bubalik]

but I think that more about this invention we will never hear ... unless of course it (the invention) was !!!

,,, this project with 2013. untwist ,,,

[Thunderbolt]

Excuse me, but if I open my mouth at the moment of spraying this substance (I don’t get into air accidents every day) will it fall into me and expand 416 times? We don’t need such hockey.

[schizophrenic]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Sorry, but if I open my mouth at the moment of spraying this substance

To avoid getting into the mouth, you can use the film, as in car pads. In fact, this is an upgrade to airbags. Compared to car cushions in which gas, they will use foam that will take the entire plane.
Nothing new under the moon. It remains to wait for the tests.

[Alexander]

This idea was presented in the American blockbuster - "Destroyer" with Stallone. Only there such foam enveloped the car from the outside, extinguishing blows. And in the plane, the "magic" substance, getting into the mouth, esophagus, lungs, increases in volume 416 times, tearing the passenger from the inside. Or they think that the passengers of the falling plane going crazy will be silent with their mouths shut. We'll have to fly in special masks, or better in scuba diving right away. For the system to work 8 seconds before the catastrophe, you need to have a bunch of sensors with an autonomous power system, duplicating each other in case of damage, and so on. Yes, and I think that even in such a "foam", having plopped on the ground, no one will survive due to damage to internal organs, rupture of the aortas, compression fractures of the spine due to the huge inertia of the falling plane, which is transmitted to the internal organs of a person. But it will be easier for pathologists to work.

[stayer]

Quote: alexandr

This idea was presented in the American blockbuster - "Destroyer" with Stallone.

The idea is just not bad for vehicles. It may save a lot of lives on the road, but with a plane this will not work. Overloads are too high.

[Igarr]

Calculated the timing of the response?
To use in cars?
How does a foam know at what point it is to swell and harden?
8 seconds before the collision .....
8 seconds before the collision at a speed of 72 km / h, the cars are located at a distance of 160 meters from each other (subject to a head-on meeting and absolutely blind drivers). Here, kakbe .... luck get into each other, and not give a command to trigger the foam.
...
Pillows and belts work better. Instantly.

[stayer]

Quote: Igarr

Calculated the timing of the response?
To use in cars?
How does a foam know at what point it is to swell and harden?

Let's just say, in vehicles, the application of this invention is logical to bring to mind. There is no chance in aviation. Too different speeds and overloads.

[Igarr]

I agree.
It will work better in land transport, all the more so as there are railway transport, helicopters and light aircraft, various attractions, crossings, and all kinds of paragliders, motor hang gliders.
Only change the threshold for the workability of the composition - a patent - and money can be packed in barrels.

[muginov2015]

But pathologists will be easier to work ...

Well, after all, it’s really convenient, everything is packed like hens in Auchan. Everything is on the shelves. You don’t need to collect the liver from the branches for half a month.

[their]

It is possible to provide each passenger with a parachute or personal catapults, and even better when all the engines fail, the plane is transformed into a glider, extending the wings by 2 times, a soft landing is provided.

[muginov2015]

the plane is transformed into a glider ...
This is exactly what they designed in our country. The same AN-24 is famous. Another thing is that the flight crew had poor planning skills.

[Tol.Skiff]

Complete nonsense ...))) Overload factor ... More stupid than not yet heard ...

[Bronik]

Although not in this form, it has not yet been thoroughly worked out, but the idea is very interesting. There is a 100% application for development. Yes, at least to protect the tank crews.

[pahom54]

"In contact with air, the" magic "substance increases in volume 416 times and hardens, creating a kind of" cocoon "around the passenger, blocking any movement. This avoids injuries when hitting the ground" ...

And the inventor of CAM did not try yo.b.n.t ... from a height of 8-10 meters, using the protection of this "magic substance" ???
Another PR is unclear why ... Actually, the SUPER capabilities of this invention are advertised, but in life it is unlikely to be real ...

[schizophrenic]

Quote: pahom54

the inventor of CAM did not try yo.b.n.t ... from a height of 8-10 meters, using the protection of this "magic substance

If you take fiction, it will crash without any problems and go quietly.
In general, I will describe. A double film, in a backpack, before a collision with the ground in 8 seconds is thrown out of the container, and the person is in the film into which the foam is fed. at the moment, because of the materials there will be a ball of diameters of 30 meters, a person freezes in the center. Part of the energy of the fall will absorb air. Upon impact, the person will move to the edge, and the foam will absorb part of the overload, after which the ball will roll, which will reduce the overload acting on the person.
Now they are making for entertainment spheres from a double shell in which a person rides over rough terrain, and from the hills.

[Wedmak]

The idea is of course a good one, and maybe even works. But where will the kinetic energy of the human body go when impact braking? Does the cocoon dissipate? If it reduces overloads to 2-3 G, passengers can survive, if more, there will still be victims and injuries.

[Tol.Skiff]

WHAT TO WAIT ... THROUGH IT IN THIS "COCOON" WITHOUT A PARACHUTE FROM 10 THOUSAND METERS ...))) LET'S FLY ...)))

[Aleksander]

What a thought! And no polygons are needed in California. Right in Finland and experience ...

Parachutist instructor: "Ready ?!"
-Ready!
-I'm gone!
Instructor looking down:
-Ready ...

[S. TALIN]

This is of course all interesting, but vague doubts torment me that the sea of ​​fire that arose after the crash of the plane will go out in 30 seconds.
Indeed, at the 30th second, this foam will become a liquid ... We will immediately fill it with it ?!
And if it is explosive and toxic at high temperatures?
The idea is promising ... Let them work on it

[Vtel]

Coming from Moldova Alexander BilanHaving formed a team of like-minded physicists and chemists in Finland, he created a security system for aircraft, calling it “SIAAB1 2013”

Commenting on the compatriot’s invention, the head of the Air Traffic Management Directorate of MoldATSA SE noted: “Without knowing all the physical and chemical characteristics invented by Alexander The balance aircraft safety systems, it is difficult to give her an unambiguous assessment.

So Bilan or Balan. Saab Automobile AB (Swede. SAAB) - Swedish car manufacturing company - sho then gives the Swedes. For rent - this is an advertisement for Shaving Foam, tilko after the crash, few will come in handy - at the morgue they will shave and so is a joke.

[Mhpv]

like a plane crashing at tremendous speed, it hits the ground and does not explode, and passengers are not injured - this is something! The whole world is waiting for this, ”said Bilan.

I’m certainly not special, but most likely this is not relevant for a falling plane, but making an emergency landing. When a plane crashes, our bodies receive the same acceleration and sharp braking of the body in this foam, will not save them from possible separation or damage, just as boxer gloves do not save the opponent from concussion only on a smaller scale.

In contact with air, the "magic" substance increases in volume by 416 times and hardens, creating a kind of "cocoon" around the passenger, blocking any movement. This avoids injury from hitting the ground. After 30 seconds it turns into liquid again

Well straight Harry Potter

[dima 7]

half will die from a broken heart, the other half will drown

[FunkschNNX]

Those. Will I need to constantly carry this slurry with me in the amount of at least 1% of the maximum tank capacity?
Ok, people being in cocoons will hit the ground, perhaps this will save from external destruction, but what about negative acceleration? In the conclusion about the wreck of the "Polish carcass", apart from everything else, it was said that people experienced overloads of SEVERAL HUNDREDS g !!! With the plane hitting the ground at an acute angle.

[demon184]

And if the plane falls apart before this substance works?

[Rubmolot]

In principle, what will a parachute need?
Enough bag for SIAAB2-2013, 8 seconds before the crash "it" automatically fills the raincoat, after 30 seconds "it" turns into liquid again.

As for the possibility of breathing a passenger, I did not quite understand.

.... I read that in Moldova a wonderful wine.

[HAM]

Here lies a lot of technical "BUT", let's hope that this is not another cut. But it turns out like in a joke: .. firefighters must arrive at the fire 15 minutes before the start of the fire ...
Although, Moldovans and Moldavians in Sweden, I want to eat ...

[Bugor]

I know where to put this stuff in. Into the Ukropsky attack aircraft. They still shoot them down every week, but at least there will be a check. And then about some passenger summer I want to say: "I'm sorry for the bird." (C)

[smith7]

All arguments are not supported by calculations - a finger poke into the sky. It is necessary to draw up a test program providing for the verification of the idea in the most unfavorable combination of circumstances, and verify. Let's wait. Personally, I want what happened. Moldovan - respect and respect!

[activator]

Yes, nothing is known about the tests about the characteristics, but the pancake was already spat on, and if you inhale, take a spray can with mounting foam, the foam you get at the exit from the spray bottle, that is, foam will most likely come into the cabin and no one will inhale it. Regarding overloads, too, not everything is clear if the body moves in the foam at the moment of impact, it is quite possible that the foam will be able to extinguish the energy of the impact.

[Mountain shooter]

Very doubtful inventions. In cocoons there will be tender stuffing with bones of good preservation.

[Mama_Cholli]

SIAAB1 2013 sounds almost like SAAB ...
AB BOMB is simply attached to the fuselage of the aircraft and, when dropped, when blown up by a counter-pulse, it compensates for the acceleration vector ...)))) Everyone is happy, except for the passengers, because the fuselage can be thrown off by an incorrectly calculated explosive charge quite high and may need to be detonated to compensate for a second landing new bomb, etc.
)))

[bubla5]

All this is old, but in a new way, it was already in the 80s — the first was used, but canceled, and the second, when tested, is still intact and intact but a corpse

[hohkn]

Quote: ohtandur

It’s like a helmet of a motorcyclist, because he saves his head.

Well yes! in a coffin they’ll be as living.

[Mama_Cholli]

Immediately reminded ...
"Zhukov sternly looked at the faces of the military leaders present:
- What do we do? Germans go to Moscow! How could you fail to reinforce the strategically important highway tank direction? Such a column is hard to stop! It is impossible to throw their troops across the path ... They are almost in foxes. Are there bombers on the airfield?
- Yes, but the bombs are spent. None left. You can transport TB-3 to Moscow to warehouses, - one of the generals mumbled.

- Do not have time ... - Zhukov thought, walked around the room and ordered. - Cook landing!

“There are no parachutes,” one of the pilots cast his vote.
- Cook the landing! - Zhukov repeated again. - When I was traveling here, I saw on the march a fresh regiment of Siberians near the airfield, to detain him, turn to the planes. We are going there ...
- Brothers !!! Zhukov shouted loudly to the recruits. - A column of German tanks broke through to Moscow and will soon be in the capital ... There is no way to stop them, but we must do this in order not to sow panic and shed innocent blood of civilians. I can’t order you to go for it ... I ask you ... Only volunteers are needed. There in those cars anti-tank rifles, grenades and explosives were collected ... I set a task that was not equal in the history of wars. And there will probably not be ... You see that nature itself came to the defense of the Holy Fatherland, the snow near Moscow did not remember such snow for a long time. On a low-level flight, it is necessary to throw out the landing in front of the tank column and stop it. It will be necessary to jump into the snow without parachutes - they are not ... We have no other choice. Volunteers! Three steps forward! ....
The whole regiment took three steps, swayed and made a single monolith. Not a single person was left in place.

- With God! There are no such soldiers in any army in the world. And never will be!

Zhukov bowed low to the soldiers and ordered:

- Distribute anti-tank weapons!

Transport planes took off heavily from the ground and headed for Mozhaisk. Zhukov stared motionlessly after them, placing his hand behind his overcoat. A worried orderly asked:

“Is it bad with your heart, Comrade Army General?”

- It's ok.

At this time, the last plane off the ground. Zhukov convulsively squeezed near the heart the icon of the Mother of God, which he carried with him since the beginning of the war, and whispered a prayer. Then, without fearing anyone, he abruptly crossed himself and walked with a heavy gait towards the car. Sitting down, he said to the driver:

- I can't imagine an American, an Englishman, or even a German who voluntarily jumps from an airplane without a parachute!

In general, the Germans were stopped.

[sm00vik]

If on a tangent, then it can and will work.

[Ash]

At least one Bilan is sensible :)

[Skiff_spb]

Hm. Vague doubts torment me. (from)
Either journalists are such journalists, or some other physics is in his world.

[Alexey RA]

Physics common in his world is theoretical.
"Let us imagine a person in the first approximation as a solid inelastic body ..."

[mackonya]

And what about the destruction in the air just before the fall, the aircraft does not always fall in the desert and not always strictly vertically. That is, after the fuselage is damaged, how will the "cocoon" be filled?

[Flatter]

Why immediately a foam test plane? And why paratroopers?

[Pafka]

Here you go, gentlemen: minced meat ... bagged bags ... Very often air crashes occur during take-off and landing, and it is not 10000 meters. The plane crashes, lights up, people beat, get damaged. Then this system can save many lives!

[Bersaglieri]

He mastered chemistry, but no physics :)
What overloads will occur when a plane hits the ground at a speed of 50-100m / s or more? No foam will save the lives of passengers (the human body is not designed for 500g +, will fall apart)

[Bersaglieri]

"The main thing for a" Moldovan "is to pose with new" boilers "" :)

[Roland]

And how to breathe, after filling, if this substance also has a pungent smell. Is it possible that passengers die from suffocation? If not, how will allergy sufferers and asthmatics transfer such filling?

Will the sensor on the nose falsely trigger on birds and other objects in the way?

[Mama_Cholli]

So you need to fly ... so as not to fall.
On February 9, 1961, the Il-18, on which Leonid Brezhnev (then Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR) flew to Guinea, for unknown reasons, was attacked by the French Air Force fighter over the Mediterranean Sea, which made three calls at a dangerously close distance from the aircraft and twice opened fire on a Soviet aircraft with the subsequent crossing of its course. Pilots managed to get their plane out of the firing zone. Subsequently, Brezhnev appreciated the skill and courage of the crew commander of that flight Boris Bugaev - during the leadership of the Brezhnev Communist Party of the USSR, Bugaev became Minister of Civil Aviation, Chief Aviation Marshal and twice Hero of Socialist Labor

[lilian]

- In the vast majority of cases, plane crashes occur suddenly, or pilots try to the last to save the plane. And here you need to turn on this rescue system in 8 seconds.

- This system can save lives only in “mild” disasters; it will not protect against large overloads, for example, at a vertical speed of 50 meters per second, even if the fuel does not ignite.

- Airlines will never want to carry 3 tons of ballast on each plane. One liter per 100 liters of fuel is 10 tons on an intercontinental airliner, without the additional mass of the container. And I, for example, can understand these airlines.


The title of the article shocked me, a Moldovan, but... It’s understandable for the domestic newspaper “Arguments and Facts” to write so optimistically in order to raise patriotism, but topwar.ru is like a Russian site, and one could talk about such nonsense more skeptically.

[tolancop]

Another nonsense, from my point of view. The shell will only help the passenger at very low speeds. At high speeds, damage from overload is inevitable. This has already been written about.
Fuel neutralization as an idea may not be bad, but its implementation is questionable. How much kerosene is put into the liner? Tens of tons. Quickly neutralizing this volume is still a challenge...
In general, people have already unsubscribed about this. But there is another aspect - economic. When creating an aircraft, huge tricks are used by designers aimed at reducing its weight. And the author of the invention proposes to carry 3 tons of ballast on each plane with all the accompanying pleasures (fuel burnout, etc.).
The ideas themselves are probably quite good and quite real. Only the planned area of ​​application was clearly inappropriately chosen.

[Not served]

I heard about the “Moldavian” miracle a long time ago, but I remember there was an idea with a parachute. In the comments it was written that the first Tu-154 was equipped with such a thing because it fell into a tailspin or it simply felt like spinning. Then the problem was solved and the parachute was removed.
As for the Il-18 and other first civilian aircraft, they were all created on the basis of bombers. Tu-104 too.

[Bersaglieri]

More blunders.
The Il-18 was originally created by Ilyushin as a passenger aircraft. And only then the VKP (Il-20), the RR aircraft (Il-22) and the basic PLO aircraft (Il-38) were made on its basis.

[Demon0n]

Actually, foam is not a very suitable method... When an airplane crashes, several factors are at work. The first is the impact load on the structure, turning it into that mess that can be seen in news releases. In this case, the airframe design serves as another damaging factor. In this case, the foam must have a certain strength (obviously not in the form of balls, but a solid barrier).
The second is the shock load itself on the human body. Inertia must be dampened over time, maintaining the load at an acceptable level. Those. the foam must have plasticity, elasticity (and have a continuous coating around the body, but already providing contour elements of rigidity, or a frame, which is impossible).
Of the entire system, only the “emergency fuel additive” has a chance. As far as I understand, there has already been news about something similar. We limited ourselves to recognizing exactly the same thing: a fuel additive. And for good reason.
As for a person’s survival rate in a fall, we need to work with chairs (as the basis of a rigid frame + shock absorption), inflatable pillows and, accordingly, tensile and tear-resistant plastic polymers (or something similar in principle).

[schizophrenic]

Quote: Demon0n

As for a person’s survival rate in a fall, we need to work with chairs (as the basis of a rigid frame + shock absorption), inflatable pillows and, accordingly, tensile and tear-resistant plastic polymers (or something similar in principle).

Now only such options can be used. Technology does not allow for more fantastic options.

[smershxnumx]

How many people will die from a heart attack/stroke BEFORE THE DISASTER?

[Bersaglieri]

Quote: Not served

the first Tu-154 was equipped with such a thing because it fell into a tailspin or simply felt like spinning.

Anti-spin and drogue parachutes were on the Tu-104, and not on the Tu-154.
"Papa's Legacy", that is, Tu-16 :)

[vagrant]

The film "Destroyer" is an accident with the main character's car. We wish it, but it is not possible due to those provisions. Mixing and conglomeration of components, and especially solidification in a different state in a split second, has not only not been achieved but also not theoretically worked out.

[Mayer1980]

Normal topic!! They rarely fall from the sky, it won't help. The most risky takeoff and landing, the invention can help. I think the locomotive crew would have survived if there had been such garbage. It's worth a try!!!