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LDPR deputy insists on verifying the legality of the sale of Fort Ross

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Deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation from the LDPR Mikhail Degtyarev asked the Russian Foreign Ministry to clarify the status of the lands of the former Russian settlement in California, determining the legality of their presence in the United States.

LDPR deputy insists on verifying the legality of the sale of Fort Ross


"The contract for the sale of this site in the middle of the XIX century was not executed by the buyer and all subsequent resale and division of the site are illegal, and Russia still has reason to consider the territory of Fort Ross as its own," the RIA deputy said "News".

The wooden fortress Fort Ross is a former Russian settlement located on the California coast about 80 kilometers from San Francisco. In 1812, it was founded by a Russian-American company for the fishing and sale of fur. In 1841, property was acquired by large landowner John Sutter. Today the fort is historical California State Park, on the territory of which the house of the last Russian commandant Rotchev is preserved - an object of historical value of national importance.

“If the investigation reveals violations of its legality, then we need to apply to the Supreme Arbitration Court in order to return our land and put the Iskander system there. The next transaction that needs to be analyzed is the situation with Alaska, ”said the deputy.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 26 September 2014 07: 50
    +37
    "to return their land and install the Iskander system there."

    There, it must be judged 10 hundredths. smile
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 September 2014 07: 53
      +18
      Well, right, and why the heck are we lousy Latvia laughing
      1. nikoli25
        nikoli25 26 September 2014 11: 45
        +2
        start trolling the pin to the owls))))))))))
      2. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 26 September 2014 14: 04
        0
        these themselves will come to us
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 26 September 2014 08: 25
      +22
      I’m sure that if Zhirinovsky was appointed Russia's ambassador to the United States, the States would urgently lift all sanctions against Russia, return Alaska, liquidate all NATO military bases near the borders of Russia, recognize Crimea, award Snowden, invite Zadornov to speak, send Kiev away The JUNT would apologize to Putin in EXCHANGE for the appointment of another ambassador! laughing
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 September 2014 08: 39
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        I’m sure that if Zhirinovsky was appointed Russia's ambassador to the United States, the States would urgently lift all sanctions

        They wouldn’t let him go and that’s it.
    3. SS68SS
      SS68SS 26 September 2014 08: 40
      +2
      ... then we need to appeal to the Supreme Arbitration Court .....

      Quote: Vladimirets
      There, it must be judged 10 hundredths.



      I'm afraid that the Supreme Arbitration Court is pro-American today .... First, we need to "help" the court to be at least independent, and better to sympathize with Russia ... Then everything will work out ....
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 26 September 2014 09: 09
        +9
        Quote: SS68SS
        First, you need to "help" the court to be at least independent, and better to sympathize with Russia ...

        You can contact Basmanny. wink
      2. Rostov
        Rostov 26 September 2014 11: 22
        0
        Quote: SS68SS
        I'm afraid that the Supreme Arbitration Court


        I'm afraid to disappoint you, but now there is no Supreme Arbitration Court - abolished. And by the way, the former head of this court - Ivanov - really did a lot of good for the judicial system, it is a pity that Lebedev again headed the Supreme Court, and not Ivanov. For the military I’ll explain - it would be like replacing a stool with Shoigu.
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  2. RusDV
    RusDV 26 September 2014 07: 52
    +20
    to return their land and put the Iskander system there

    Well done LDP smile Troll - so troll seriously wassat .... Yes-ah, "Iskander in California" is a topic!
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 26 September 2014 07: 58
      +1
      It seems that in the next elections to the Duma, the Liberal Democratic Party will gain more votes!
    2. Galich Kos
      Galich Kos 26 September 2014 08: 14
      +5
      Quote: RusDV
      Well done LDP smile Troll - so troll seriously


      This trolling is designed for a certain contingent ... A reasonable person will laugh at such an application from the LDPR and will not take it seriously in any way.
      1. ISKANDER25
        ISKANDER25 26 September 2014 10: 42
        0
        Hello! Alexey, I agree with you + hi
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 September 2014 08: 34
      +1
      Quote: RusDV
      Well done LDPRovtsy! Trolling is serious trolling .... Yes-ah, "Iskander in California" is a topic!

      this is not trolling this is idiocy, apparently the Duma thinkers have nothing to do.
      Suppose it turns out that the deal is not legal, the United States will give California, no, it turns out that Russia is not able to defend its land.
      bullshit suffer then with time nonsense staged now with Russian America
    4. 222222
      222222 26 September 2014 11: 20
      0
      this is from .. "Return Mexico to Texas !!!"
      "In 1845, the United States of America annexed the Republic of Texas and recognized Texas as the 28th state of the united state. Thus, the United States inherited a territorial dispute between Texas and Mexico, which quickly led to the Mexican-American War, as a result of which the United States seized additional territories, expanding the borders of the country down to the Pacific Ocean.The territory of Texas expanded to include lands that are now parts of the states of Colorado, Kansas, New Mexico, Texas, Wyoming, Utah, and Oklahoma.The resulting disputes between Texas, the federal government and the territory of New Mexico were resolved as a result of the Compromise of 1850, when most of this land became part of other US territories. In return, the US federal government took on a $ 10 million debt to the Republic of Texas. "
  3. Fear
    Fear 26 September 2014 07: 53
    -5
    LDPR sometimes amazes me with its ambitions. It would be nice to consider the completion of the transaction, but put Iskander there ??? Who will allow? remember Cuba, 3 minutes to 3 world!
    1. ICT
      ICT 26 September 2014 07: 55
      0
      Quote: Strah
      LDPR sometimes amazes me with its ambitions

      dissolve the DUMA
      and all the money for kindergartens
    2. botsman80
      botsman80 26 September 2014 08: 07
      +13
      Remembering Cuba, I see that it was a good move to get rid of the missile threat from Turkey. For some reason they don't say that the Pershing was removed ... You can't caress the USA. America must be put in the "running Egyptian pose" in order to achieve something worthwhile ...
      1. Kuvabatake
        Kuvabatake 26 September 2014 08: 17
        0
        So these facts (as well as many others) are not covered (for some reason) request
        1. botsman80
          botsman80 26 September 2014 08: 27
          +3
          they do not spread, because they want the opinion to take root in the minds of people: "The USSR, and then Russia, is a stronghold of evil. The United States, in turn, is a philanthropist who, even to his own detriment, brings freedom to the whole world."
      2. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 26 September 2014 08: 37
        +4
        Remembering Cuba, I see that it was a good move to get rid of the missile threat from Turkey. For some reason they don't say that the Pershing was removed ... You can't caress the USA. America must be put in the "running Egyptian pose" in order to achieve something worthwhile ...
        That's just we from Cuba removed the missiles defiantly. And the Americans from Turkey are quiet. Which of the burger-eaters indulges in such subtleties? Therefore, everyone is hearing that the USSR is an aggressor, and they are furry.
        And there should have been everything, EVERYTHING! only openly - from the UN rostrum: YOU were the first to put rockets in Turkey against us. Not we. So you are the first to openly divert missiles and we will follow you too.
        And achieve your goal without stepping back a single step. Then arrogance will fly from these seeders of democracy. And not so much that we lose face, but they retain the reputation of furry ones.
    3. Eragon
      Eragon 26 September 2014 09: 09
      +3
      Quote: Strah
      LDPR sometimes amazes me with its ambitions. It would be nice to consider the completion of the transaction, but put Iskander there ??? Who will allow? remember Cuba, 3 minutes to 3 world!

      Why do we need to remember Cuba. Better look now. Bases in the Baltic states, Poland, Romania, etc. Deployment of a missile defense system. I remember that in exchange for the withdrawal of missiles from Cuba, the Americans removed their missiles from Turkey.
      And what is going on in Ukraine. If in Cuba there were 3 minutes before the third world war, then how much is left now? Seconds?
  4. Galich Kos
    Galich Kos 26 September 2014 07: 53
    -2
    LDPR deputy insists on verifying the legality of the sale of Fort Ross



    As always, cheap PR from the LDPR. Wolfofich's pets do their best to resemble their main one)))
    1. Eragon
      Eragon 26 September 2014 09: 20
      +2
      Quote: Galich Kos
      As always, cheap PR from the LDPR. Wolfofich's pets do their best to resemble their main one)))

      Volfovich predicted much of what had already happened as far back as 20 years ago. So, perhaps, this is not PR, but a sensible proposal, to which they again do not listen. It's a pity. In my opinion, Zhirinovsky is one of the smartest Russian politicians in the last 20 years. It’s extravagant, but it’s only for the benefit - the joker is allowed speech obscene to the king. Neither Mironov nor Zyuganov clearly reach their level.
  5. MAXUZZZ
    MAXUZZZ 26 September 2014 07: 54
    0
    The LDPs are certainly inventive guys, but this deal can certainly be said goodbye!
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 26 September 2014 07: 59
      +5
      Quote: MAXUZZZ
      this deal can definitely say goodbye!

      The main thing here was to pick up a wave, but at least do not dawn there.
    2. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 26 September 2014 08: 41
      +6
      The claims of the Baltic states about some compensation there too.
      Like the Japs of the Kuril Islands.
      But they spoil the air with calculations of alleged damage and all sorts of semi-official lawsuits and claims. So let the LDPR do. It will not be worse. At the same time, let them calculate the amount of non-execution of the transaction with all possible markups, for example, the cost of use, the cost of seized minerals for all this time and so on.
      And they will come up with a proposal for this amount to write off some external debts. And every time to raise this topic at a semi-official level.
      In short, let trolls and muddy water on this field.
      1. Styx
        Styx 26 September 2014 08: 56
        +1
        A trifle is nice laughing laughing
  6. volot-voin
    volot-voin 26 September 2014 07: 54
    +4
    Quote: Vladimirets
    return their land and put the Iskander system there. "

    Mikhail Degtyarev burns smile but the idea is not bad.
  7. exiv200gt
    exiv200gt 26 September 2014 07: 55
    +4
    This is trolling wassat
  8. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 26 September 2014 07: 56
    +1
    The deputy is not sickly bending, well done, cut the truth of the uterus, or you have taken fashion by someone else's land, they do not rightfully own it, you can see the training of Vladimir Volfovich, he still washes boots in the Indian Ocean.
    1. Tanechka-clever
      Tanechka-clever 26 September 2014 09: 09
      0
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      otherwise they’ve taken a fashion they own foreign land not rightfully


      YOU'RE RIGHT ..... not rightfully ...
      That's just the point, and therefore it's time to change "fashion". The Liberal Democratic Party is a good fellow. Keep it up...

      It is very important to launch an "arrow" in the direction of the enemy and better "homing". Let her decide where it is best to hit the enemy.
    2. Tanechka-clever
      Tanechka-clever 26 September 2014 09: 09
      0
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      otherwise they’ve taken a fashion they own foreign land not rightfully


      YOU'RE RIGHT ..... not rightfully ...
      That's just the point, and therefore "it's time to change the fashion. The Liberal Democratic Party of Russia is good. Keep it up ...

      It is very important to launch an "arrow" in the direction of the enemy and better "homing". Let her decide where it is best to hit the enemy.
  9. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 26 September 2014 07: 56
    +3
    It's time to return the Russian lands, there is the RUSSIAN SPIRIT, there RUSSIA smells!
  10. doctor
    doctor 26 September 2014 07: 59
    +2
    LDPR well done. Troll competently. laughing They will take and sue.
  11. Sasha75
    Sasha75 26 September 2014 08: 05
    0
    No, but it's real or a joke.
  12. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 26 September 2014 08: 08
    +1
    It is certainly necessary to consider the deal, although it is clear that today it will not lead to the return of land, but it is necessary, because our rulers suppose that the powers of the state have been too free to do so more than once to the detriment of the country's interests — to take at least the transfer of a huge water area beyond Kamchatka that was illegally committed by Shevarnadze. I think if it is good to delve into the archives of the Foreign Ministry, we will learn a lot of new things. And most importantly, to investigate and if there is evidence of corruption to name the guilty and, regardless of the statute of limitations, present them to the public and judge without fail by the most stringent standards, for changing the edification of the descendants.
  13. Lyton
    Lyton 26 September 2014 08: 09
    +1
    Bullshit, PR LDPovets is promoting, nobody will listen to him at the Foreign Ministry.
  14. kondor-espada
    kondor-espada 26 September 2014 08: 10
    +1
    I don’t understand - the Americans are hosting the Ukraine with might and main, and why don’t we change the regime controlled by us, let’s say in Mexico. Then we will recall everything to them and Fort Ross and Alaska. By the way, about Alaska we really didn’t sell it to them, but only leased - but the lease is long over. An infa for reflection.
  15. asar
    asar 26 September 2014 08: 11
    +3
    “If the investigation reveals violations of its legality, then we need to apply to the Supreme Arbitration Court in order to return our land and put the Iskander system there. The next transaction that needs to be analyzed is the situation with Alaska, ”said the deputy.

    Liberal Democratic Party "anneals" in full!
    And I remembered Rezanov, Conchita Arguello:
    Nikolai Rezanov, one of the leaders of the first Russian round-the-world expedition, arrived in California in 1806 in order to replenish food supplies for the Russian colony in Alaska. He was loved by the 16-year-old Conchita Arguello, with whom they became engaged. Rezanov was forced to return to Alaska, and then go to the imperial court in St. Petersburg in order to procure permission to marry a Catholic. However, on the way he became seriously ill and died in Krasnoyarsk at the age of 43 years (Rezanov's life years 1764-1807). Conchita did not believe the information about the death of the groom that reached her. Only in 1842 did the English traveler George Simpson, arriving in San Francisco, tell her the exact details of his death. Believing in his death only thirty-five years later, she vowed silence, and a few years later she received tonsure at the Dominican monastery in Monterrey, where she spent almost two decades and died in 1857.

    And after another one and a half centuries, a symbolic act of reunion of lovers occurred. In the fall of 2000, the sheriff of the Californian city of Benisha, where Conchita Arguello was buried, brought a handful of earth from her grave and a rose to Krasnoyarsk to lay on a white cross with words on it, I’ll never forget you, and on the other, I’ll never I will see.


    And there was Fort Ross! And there were our people in California!
    US Admiral Van Ders claimed:

    If Rezanov lived ten years longer, and what we call California and American British Columbia would be Russian territory ...

    1. Styx
      Styx 26 September 2014 08: 54
      +1
      That's it, and I'm about the same!
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 26 September 2014 09: 07
      +2
      If you remember Rezanov and Baranov, then you can demand at the same time the restoration of legal power in Hawaii. And there, too, "put the Iskander system"
  16. Lenar
    Lenar 26 September 2014 08: 15
    +5
    Finally, from the deputies a sensible proposal. To succumb 10 acres, sow potatoes in the spring.
    For example, in our region (I am from Udmurtia) there are a couple of very good factories for the production of "potatoes".

    Everything is muddied with Alaska too, history says that it seems that money didn’t even reach Russia then. Let now with% return
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 26 September 2014 08: 50
      0
      To succumb 10 acres, sow potatoes in the spring.
      Yeah, plant one such potato megaton for 500. And cover it with long-lived fertilizers of uranium and thorium in appropriate quantities. Type to grow better.
    2. Tanechka-clever
      Tanechka-clever 26 September 2014 09: 13
      +2
      Quote: Lenar
      With Alaska, too, everything is muddy


      I support - let the United States return Alaska for one ... It is necessary for the residents of Alaska to take the liver ...
    3. Tanechka-clever
      Tanechka-clever 26 September 2014 09: 13
      0
      Quote: Lenar
      With Alaska, too, everything is muddy


      I support - let the United States return Alaska for one ... It is necessary for the residents of Alaska to take the liver ...
  17. saag
    saag 26 September 2014 08: 16
    -3
    LDPR is not a party, but show business, they do business and periodically arrange shows so that they are not forgotten
    1. Galich Kos
      Galich Kos 26 September 2014 08: 59
      -3
      I completely agree. Their performances are designed for a certain contingent of the electorate who likes Zhirinovsky vodka and ostentatious jingoistic patriotism like "WASH BOOTS IN THE INDIAN OCEAN".
  18. Borets
    Borets 26 September 2014 08: 26
    +1
    It is clear that the Americans will not give up this land, but they need to shake their nerves)
  19. Svetlana
    Svetlana 26 September 2014 08: 35
    0
    Unfortunately, although the agreement on the sale of American colonies was thieves, treacherous and corrupt, it was legally legal, signed by both parties and executed.
    "According to the" Treaty concluded between Russia and the North American United States in Washington on April 18 (30), 1867 on the cession of the Russian North American colonies, "the Russian Empire renounced its colonies for 7 million 200 thousand American dollars. Alaska and some researchers that the "concession" of Russian possessions made it possible to patch holes in the treasury and accumulate funds for reforming the fleet has no evidence. The proceeds from the sale of Russian America were so insignificant for the richest Russia that it could not even be compared. 3% of the annual income of the Empire in 1867. Annual spending on army provisions even then exceeded the "profit" from the sale of overseas possessions three times, the article "uniforms" - 1,5 times. Only for one year and only from one drinking income Russia received 10-11 times more than from a one-time sale of its vast territory. What benefit can we talk about, what patchingbudget holes, if, for comparison, in the four years after the sale of the American colonies government spending increased by 83 million rubles. The annual expenditures of the War Ministry for seven years, starting from 1867, increased by 40 million rubles. These figures are incommensurable with the paltry seven million that Russia gained from the sale of Russian America, which allows us to confidently and reasonably assert: the Russian State had neither financial necessity nor financial interest in the sale of Russian lands. "
    “But who are they - the conspirators seeking to get rid of Russian territories? These are the brother of Emperor Alexander II, Prince Konstantin Nikolaevich, Minister of Foreign Affairs AM Gorchakov, Russian envoy to Washington E.A. Stekl, Minister of Finance M.Kh. Reitern and the head of the Ministry of the Navy NK Krabbe. "
    "And now we will quote a document drawn up by an employee of the Department of the State Treasury not earlier than the second half of 1868:" For ceded to the North American States Russian possessions in North America, 11 rubles were received from the aforementioned States. 362 kopecks Of the 481 94 11 rubles. 362 kopecks. spent abroad for the purchase of accessories for the railways: Kursk-Kiev, Ryazan-Kozlov, Moscow-Ryazan and others. 481 rubles. 94 kopecks The rest is 10 rubles. 972 kopecks. received in cash. "

    “This is where the money for Alaska went to the owners of the private railroad! We can safely say that the organizers of the sale of Alaska planned and implemented the largest government scam, as a result of which all the funds received for the Russian colonies in North America went to the personal disposal of the proxies in Prince Konstantin Nikolayevich, Minister of Finance M.H. Reitern, mistress of Emperor Alexander II Considering that the railway dealers were only technical intermediaries, a transmission link in the scheme developed by the dignitaries, it is logical to assume that most of the amount went into the pockets of the organizers of the sale of Russian America in the Russian government. "
    Source: http: //kvachkov.net/books/sdelka.htm
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    2. Tanechka-clever
      Tanechka-clever 26 September 2014 09: 29
      0
      Quote: Svetlana
      the agreement on the sale of American colonies was thieves, treacherous and corrupt, but it was legally legal, signed by both parties and executed

      And here it is necessary to check it LEGALITY.

      You yourself admitted that the Russian lands of the United States were illegally acquired under a thieves' and corruption agreement. So let them show us their allegiance to democracy and the fight against corruption, which they REPORT to us every time after the bombing of Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria ..

      Yanukovych also believed and concluded an agreement with the United States, and the document was signed on both sides. Yes, only the United States did not fulfill their promises and deceived him, because the USA recognized only those PAPERS as legal that are convenient for them and easily refuse those that have ceased to be relevant to them. They recognize only one-way traffic and only in their direction.
  20. wanderer
    wanderer 26 September 2014 08: 39
    +3
    It is high time!! ... so that they twitch like a louse on a comb.
  21. Styx
    Styx 26 September 2014 08: 52
    +1
    If this event had not happened, perhaps "Juno" would not have happened with "Avos" (if I do not confuse the name of a rock opera) there are painfully beautiful songs there. I dream of listening to the whole opera in full winked
  22. Alexander
    Alexander 26 September 2014 09: 08
    0
    And how many more such generous gifts around the world))
  23. bmv04636
    bmv04636 26 September 2014 09: 17
    0
    the Indians from the "light elves" sued 540 million green candy wrappers for misuse of their land, anything is possible.
  24. Vend
    Vend 26 September 2014 09: 25
    0
    Given the fact that international law does not apply to Russia, one should not hope for an honest trial and return of something. While Russophobes of the West rule the ball, the chances are minuscule.
  25. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 26 September 2014 09: 34
    +1
    Hello! If you want, you can minus it, but recently the activity of deputy Diagterev is at an increased level, probably the autumn period affects the activity of some parts of the brain for him. Examples of such activity in the autumn period have long been described by doctors around the world. Recently, we discussed with you on the site of his (Dyagterev) proposal is to repaint the Kremlin in white, and his other proposals are the text of the anthem in the passport or paid leave for women for the period of critical days?! I do not touch on the financial side of the issue since it is clear that he offers to pay for these proposals from our pockets, but to distract people from the real work of the end and the edge of which is not visible, I think at least it is not advisable! THANKS hi
    For example: former deputies do not want to leave official housing in Moscow (provided at the time of the deputy), do not pay a communal apartment for him and complain that the furniture also provided at the expense of the state does not meet their (royal) requirements !! ?? WHAT IS IT ???
    1. ISKANDER25
      ISKANDER25 26 September 2014 09: 55
      0
      I remind you: this person holds the post of deputy for science and high technology! There is nothing more to do than PR!
      People’s deputies-servants of the PEOPLE OF RUSSIA or not ???
  26. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 26 September 2014 10: 54
    0
    You can raise another question about Alaska. Of course, it’s an empty matter, but you can spoil the nerves of the Americans. And then the West will fill up with bile in relation to Russia. But is it necessary?
  27. Bosk
    Bosk 26 September 2014 17: 42
    0
    It turns out that in the opinion of some Port Ross deputies it is more realistic to return it than let’s say many times raise pensions and peripheral roads in order?