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Who are we?


Greetings to you, dear members of the "Military Review"!

September September 25 published an article on our website.Colonel rescued sergeant by closing grenades from an explosion". Good article, correct, showing what should be an officer of the Russian Army. I fully agree that the man accomplished the feat by covering his body with a young soldier. I welcome the general approval of this act and join it myself.

It seems that everything is clear: the man committed the feat (I speak without sarcasm). What else can I write in this thread, besides expressing gratitude, I will not be afraid of this word, the hero?

But suddenly in this thread the discussion begins, who is this person: Russian Kazakh, Kazakh Russian or just Russian? And in the light of this question, I would like once again to raise this hackneyed politicians, political scientists, ethnographers, historians, etc., etc., the topic: who is Russian?

I will not go deep into history Russias and Slavs in general, all literate, we read various wise sources, and each of us has an opinion about where the Russians came from. Yes, the question is not that. The question is: who are the Russians? Nationality or state of mind?

Is it an ethnos? Yes. Is it the people? Of course yes! And now let's omit the notion of ethnicity and all other multi-wise words with which science burdens us.

Talk easy. Here, for example, me. I am Russian, although in my ancestors 50% are mixed with Slavs (Russians and Poles), Gypsies and, oddly enough, Japanese. I was born in the USSR, on the territory of modern Russia, in the passports of my parents it is written: Russian and Russian. Does this mean that I am already born Russian? To some extent, yes. And to some extent not.

But I feel Russian. How to define it? I think that this is primarily determined by upbringing and further perception of life through the prism of upbringing. I was raised Russian. That is, concepts and something else have been invested in me that makes me Russian. In short, Russian is a state of mind. And the soul is, it is still there, whatever the materialists say.

Or am I wrong? And Russian is a Slavic type of person, blue or green eyes, brown hair and height from a meter seventy five? Yes, I can cite a bunch of examples that such types have never been and will not be Russian. I have many relatives in Germany. They left in 90 on the general wave of “returnees”, and only one of my aunt was German, who married my uncle (not German at all), my Russian mother, my father is Kazakh. She left and dragged behind her all the relatives from both her and ours. Everybody was leaving: the Germans, the Kazakhs, and the Russians. A dozen years have passed, and now all of them, Russians and Kazakhs, tell me that they are German, since they live in Germany.

So maybe the concept of Russian is determined by its territory of residence? Just like the Germans and the rest of Europeans? Maybe yes, maybe not. Why is it that Russians are immediately determined in the West, even if they are not even Slavs? No, not from the memory left by the "brothers" of 90's, who have seized upon big money and freebies, and not by the behavior of some of our "individuals" who believe that everything is allowed to them. No no and one more time no. After all, Belarusians and Ukrainians there are also generally called Russians. Sometimes a person is no different from a Western tourist, both European and Asian, but there is still something in him that indicates Russian origin.

I think this is a mentality and state of mind. Still, no matter how we try to absorb the Western way of life with our consumer morality, but still there is something in us that other nations do not have. It seems to me that the Russians are a community of peoples united by one territory, one goal and one history. Peoples who throughout their history assimilated with each other.

I apologize for the confusion, to be honest, the more I wrote, the more questions I had. In order not to drown in scientific terms, etc., I bring this issue up for discussion.

PS By the way, why are the names of all the nations of the world a noun, and Russian is the only one whose name is an adjective?
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  1. Момент
    Момент 26 September 2014 08: 55
    -23
    PS By the way, why are the names of all the nations of the world a noun, and Russian is the only one whose name is an adjective?

    Jew is also an adjective
    1. anip
      anip 26 September 2014 08: 58
      +40
      Quote: Moment
      Jew is also an adjective

      No. The adjective will be "Jewish". So that's it.
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 26 September 2014 09: 09
        +13
        By the way, why are the names of all the peoples of the world a noun,

        It is only in Russian, and this Russian name for other nationalities is a noun. Take English - english means both "English" and "Englishman". "Russian", "german", etc. - will mean "Russian" and "German" - adjectives. So "everything is not so simple" (C). Do not be like Zadornov and other home-grown "historians" and "linguists" who talk at the level of proto-ukrov about the origin of everything and everything from the consonance they liked.
        1. SS68SS
          SS68SS 26 September 2014 09: 19
          +18
          Quote: inkass_98
          Do not be like Zadornov and other home-grown "historians" and "linguists",



          On the contrary, be like Zadornov. He sows good and eternal. And all his "delights" in linguistics and history should be perceived with irony and a smile. This is just a joke.
          1. domokl
            domokl 26 September 2014 09: 34
            +28
            Author -cheburek fellow In other matters, I am a cheburek and, probably, everyone else. Russia has never divided people by face, color of skin or hair, height and everything else ...
            And we are proud of the Russian military leaders Bagration, Barclay de Tolly, Rokosovsky, Baghramyan, and hundreds of others ... We are proud of the great Russian poet Pushkin ...
            The topic is painful for boys, but completely not relevant for adult Russians. For me there is a good person and a bad one, friend and enemy ...
            And about the colonel ... He is a Russian officer, with all the ensuing pros and cons ... And there is absolutely nothing to discuss here.
            1. Retarg
              Retarg 26 September 2014 09: 53
              -13
              Poor, you know the history of Russia, you always shared about hair color and skin color, you don’t go into the aristocracy, but look at ordinary people who were always wary of strangers.

              By the way, in Sholokhov's "Quiet Don", why was the main character's mother killed?
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 26 September 2014 10: 30
                +7
                well, if they started talking about Sholokhov, then any important thing could have been a Cossack,
            2. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 26 September 2014 10: 32
              +1
              Bering, Amundsen, and how many were surrounded by Peter 1, who changed their names to Russian pronunciation.
              1. Roman75
                Roman75 26 September 2014 13: 29
                +3
                Comrade Major General, why are you Amundsen so old and deported? He was exactly 200 years younger than Peter I and lived in his Norway.
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          2. shasherin.pavel
            shasherin.pavel 26 September 2014 10: 27
            +4
            Quote: SS68SS
            become like Zadornov

            Think about what you say: I have been looking for Israeli rabbis in VKontakte for a long time to be able to ask them questions on biblical topics, but I was amazed that they could not answer or determine the meaning of words in the Old Testament that are given in the Bible without translation, but in Russian, if you change one letter in this word, then the meaning comes by itself, I checked myself by inserting such a meaning into other sentences and the text was revealed. I cannot explain such a phenomenon, but how angry some of the rabbis were at me ... After all, it turns out that the Church Slavonic text is more understandable than the Hebrew text. But the first chapters of Genesis are given from Sanskrit, not from Hebrew.
            1. Papakiko
              Papakiko 26 September 2014 11: 40
              +1
              Quote: shasherin.pavel
              But the first chapters of Genesis are given from Sanskrit, not from Hebrew.

              Oh li or ah li.
              They told you about it, everything was decided in the 15-16 centuries!
              Why was it once written in "Sanskrit", where and why suddenly the language and writing fall into oblivion?
              A verse about Mayakovsky’s stars in response to you. wink
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        3. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 26 September 2014 10: 19
          +2
          Quote: inkass_98
          "German
          And German freedom comes from the word "dumb" that is, it does not speak Russian, later it began to refer to all merchants of foreign origin, and apparently through the fact that the Germans were most of all transferred to German merchants, like German merchants. This word comes from the native Russian "mute", and does not exist in the "German" language.
        4. Turkir
          Turkir 26 September 2014 16: 11
          0
          Actually, we are Russes.
          Zadornov is right, he is not joking, only his research is superficial. I would take an example from my father, who studied the history of the Far East and its colonization up and down. Yes, I learned that the Japanese studied all his books up and down, as a serious scientific work.
          There is a hypothesis that we got our name from the Ros River, and do not forget about the city of Staraya Russa.
          "In our time, the most popular version connects the origin of the name of the city with the river Rusa (now Porusya), and if you go deeper, the hydronym" Rusa "could come from the Proto-Slavic rusa, that is, just" river "." - http://strana.ru/places/65590/info
          And for those who want to know more, I sincerely advise you to read the "History of the Russ in an uncorrupted form" by S.Ya. Paramonov. (Tyr. 1000 (!) copies)
          There is also a biological hypothesis - the fact is, RYE was growing in this region, but it did not exist in Western Europe. And it was Russ who cultivated it.
          ------------
          And Serik Sultangabiev is a MAN and this is the most important thing.
          It is a pity that the author did not mention his name and surname in this article.
      2. Max otto
        Max otto 26 September 2014 09: 35
        +10
        Who are you? - Russian. In this case, "Russian" is a noun.
        Whose machine do you have? - Russian. In this case, the adjective.
        I do not see the contradictions. Everything is fine.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 26 September 2014 10: 09
          +3
          just like that, and the author should have already mastered the term "substantiation"

          Stood on the mountain passer-bycompletely black.

          A student is walking along the street, after him working - also drunk.

          Are looking for firefighterslooking for police, looking for photographers in our capital.

          Here we go near the cemetery - in the cemetery, a beggar stutters.

          I see: patrol spotted us from the tower. They sent a boat, and I cleared the topic.

          The party is our hope and strength, the party is ours steering.

          British scientists proved that ...


          Well, after all, there is so much material on the internet ... it's so simple to answer the question: "Who spotted us from the tower" or "Who spotted us from the tower"
          The answer is CTO sentinel. answer WHO-Russian
          http://kladun.livejournal.com/246260.html
          http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/lingvistic/1625/%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%82%D0


          %B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F
        2. nils
          nils 26 September 2014 10: 18
          +9
          What are we arguing about? Noun or adjective?

          F.M.Dostoevsky: - “... not Orthodox can not be Russian”
          "Without religious faith, a people is no longer a people." “Even a great people, falling into atheism and unbelief, immediately ceases to be a great people and immediately turns into ethnographic material, and not into a great people.”
          - “Orthodoxy, that is, the form of confession of Christ, is the beginning of our morality and conscience, and, therefore, of social power, science, everything. ... The Russian people are all in Orthodoxy and in its idea. There is nothing more about him and him - and it’s not necessary, because Orthodoxy is everything ”
          - “conscience without God is horror, it can get lost to the most immoral”

          Bible: “A state divided in itself will perish”

          Ivan the Terrible, in response to a request from the pope “Let the Sovereign Sovereign build Catholic churches in Russia and teach Russian youths”, he answered as it should be to the Sovereign Sovereign, who understood that “a state divided in itself will perish”: “I will not allow heresy on Russia, for you crouched before the Lord, and we stood and will stand, and this is our faith ”

          There will be no Orthodoxy in Russia or it will collapse - the state will collapse. Because faith is the last thing that keeps us from decaying completely. Previously, this was the core of the communist idea. But when this pin was pulled out, the state did not collapse. Because the Orthodox faith secretly lived in it - it kept the people from disintegration.
          Russia is a mononational country! By world categories: if in society there are more than 60% of one nation, then this is a mononational country.
          How will small nations and small faiths react? If they are wise, they will accept it, understanding that Orthodoxy is the core of the state.

          N.V. Gogol: “Anyone who wants to truly serve Russia honestly needs to have a lot of love for her, which would have swallowed up all other feelings - you need to become a true Christian in the whole sense of the word.”

          WHO ARE WE? Good question.
          1. nils
            nils 26 September 2014 10: 48
            +2
            As the modern researcher A.V. Repnikov: “It is no coincidence that European thinkers who turned to the history of Russia sometimes got the impression that the concept of“ Russian ”is identical with the concept of“ Orthodox. ”Everyone is well aware of the words of the great Russian writer Fyodor Dostoevsky that“ to be Russian means to be Orthodox “as well as his conclusion that“ without Christ, a Russian man is rubbish. ”No matter how harsh the last words of the writer may seem at first glance, the history of the twentieth century has clearly shown that they are full of bitter truth.
            Repnikov A.V. Conservative views on the reorganization of Russia (late XIX - early XX centuries): Monograph. M., 2006. C. 183-184.
          2. vovan50
            vovan50 26 September 2014 12: 14
            +1
            Being an atheist does not mean living without faith.
            But the communist idea was not pulled out, it lives on. For many, it serves as a support and keeps people from decay.
          3. Analgin
            Analgin 26 September 2014 15: 13
            +2
            I am a stubborn supporter of massacre,
            Orthodox people should judge everyone,
            So that there is no more sin and sorrow
            So that angels in the sky over Russia fly.

            So that the swallows in the azure sky circled,
            So that the rivers flowing full of water,
            So that only Russians live in the world,
            So that God's icons do not go out of fashion.

            (The Ensemble of Christ the Savior and Mother of Earth Cheese, simply could not help snatching from the text wink )
      3. Setrac
        Setrac 26 September 2014 09: 40
        0
        Quote: anip
        No. The adjective will be "Jewish". So that's it.

        It is only in Russian German or, for example, French - nouns, in their native languages ​​they are adjectives (or a subsidized adjective EMNIP), Russians are not unique in spite of the cries of creaks.
      4. shershen
        shershen 26 September 2014 09: 46
        +3
        As in a joke:
        -Are you Jewish?
        -Russian
        -And I'm American.
        1. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 26 September 2014 10: 34
          0
          Quote: shershen
          -And I'm American.

          What for!
      5. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 26 September 2014 10: 07
        0
        Quote: anip
        Jewish

        Just the same dear! A Jew is "He who is on the way", because there is no such name in the Old Testament "Jew", although some are trying to draw him to Eber, but the trouble is that after compiling the table "Genealogy from Adam to ..." I found that Eber there was no offspring, at least according to the Biblical text. And the word itself first appeared in the book "Exodus" after overcoming the "Chremnago Sea", by the way, not Red, but Beautiful according to the dictionary of Archpriest Dyachenko ed. 1900. There is the name Israel, there is Judas, but the Jew is not. So it would be correct to speak about those living outside Israel - the Jews - "living outside the homeland", and those living in Israel - the Jews, but those who fulfill all the laws of Moses, do not give money in growth, at interest, do not offend nearby believers living in one God, but those who do not believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah are the Zh .ida, to whom Jesus Christ was also referred to during his lifetime. "How can you, an idol, speak with me as a Samaritan woman?"
    2. Spnsr
      Spnsr 26 September 2014 09: 16
      +2
      as one Kazakh friend of mine used to say, when our Georgian brothers provoked: "why are they raising their tail at us, mongrels pin.dos.ski.e"
      but in general, I never noticed that they were interested in the nation, were interested in "where", but that the nation, somehow, did not notice! And also, I saw the Dagestanis, if it was about nationality, they did not fight among themselves, but they did not let their Dagestanis play pranks in their unit!
    3. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 26 September 2014 09: 41
      +11
      In general, I put a plus for a good thought. I will add from myself.

      The peoples of Eurasia, those who lived and live in the vast territories of the former USSR, we are already united in the mentality. Yakut, Buryat, Chuvash, Ingush, Chechen, Kazakh, Russian, Tatars, Bashkirs, Kumyk, can be cut to infinity, all of us, although we differ (and rightly) in our folk customs, but we are all the same compared to the West, Arabs and Southeast Asia, and Africa.

      In particular, nomads and Slavs are much closer in spirit, maybe from the time of Russo-Polovtsian relations, maybe from the Mongol Empire when they also lived relatively amicably, in general, it so happened that the neighbors. We never had wars of extermination, and all the hassles I bring to civilian battles, they were not ethnic in nature, but rather everyday.

      So that's why Russian and Kazakh are closer. Many Russians live in Kazakhstan, and many Kazakhs in Russia, but not there, nor there, we do not oppress each other. On the contrary, we live as neighbors. It’s a sin to hide with us all in the yard play together and go to schools. For the sake of example, look at how Arabs live in communities in Paris or Nigerian ghettos in the USA when they don’t enter each other.

      And we can live together, fight shoulder to shoulder, as in 1941-45. We have a single mentality, for example, I am Kazakh, I write here in Russian and they understand me, We understand each other, even obscenities. laughing

      a long time ago on a topic I wrote that if God forbid, they attack Russia, the Kazakhs will never become the fifth column, go faithfully and serve the Motherland to defend it, because they were born there, the same thing, I have no doubt that our Russians will defend our homeland, and most importantly, our common homeland is Eurasia, and I am sure that we will always come to the aid of each other if trouble comes. Because no matter how we are called, I mean our ancestors, we always lived and will live as neighbors, we were born to be allies, allies from God. smile
      1. Retarg
        Retarg 26 September 2014 09: 55
        +1
        At the same time, the Yakuts consider us Russian occupiers. Anyway, here's an extract from Wikipedia:

        Over the years, Vestnik Rossiiskoi Akademii Nauk noted an almost universal oppression of Russians by titular ethnic groups in the former Soviet republics [94] and in some administrative formations of Russia [95], where the grave condition of the Russian ethnic group [96] [97] was also indicated.

        In the late 1980s and early 1990s, the so-called “ethnic boom” arose in Russia, which was marked by a surge of xenophobic sentiments and nationalism among representatives of “titular” groups in relation to Russians, which resulted in a number of republics of the North Caucasus, in Yakutia, Bashkiria, Tataria and others discriminated against the "non-titular", mainly the Russian population, and its outflow to other regions [98].

        The most visible manifestation of such nationalism was discrimination in appointments in national republics within Russia. Almost everywhere in these regions, the top layer of appointees is made up exclusively of representatives of the titular nation [99] [100]. The same problem arises when entering universities. In a number of national republics, a “radicalization” of the school actually took place with the displacement of the Russian language and teaching in the language of the titular nation. So, in Tatarstan the Tatar language is allocated 6 hours a week, Russian - 4 [100].

        In almost every national republic, there is a group of intellectuals who present the entire Russian people “in black colors” [100]. For example, members of the Tatar Public Center (TOC) fought on the side of the Chechen separatists [100]. In 2003, they destroyed the chapel in Naberezhnye Chelny [100]. Local courts tend to justify such actions. With great difficulty, permits for the construction of Orthodox churches and chapels are issued in Tatarstan [100]. In Bashkortostan, priority is given to defending candidate and doctoral dissertations to the Bashkirs [100].

        According to experts from the Moscow Bureau of Human Rights, the Russian region with the most developed Russophobia is the North Caucasus and, above all, Chechnya. In 1991-1993 there was a massive “squeezing” of the Russian-speaking population from Chechnya, accompanied by acts of violence [101]. According to the Izvestia newspaper, as a result of ethnic cleansing in Chechnya in 1991-1994, 20 thousand people died and 250 thousand left the republic [102]. In 2005, an initiative group of former Russian residents of Grozny sent an open letter to the Russian president demanding that they officially recognize the fact of mass ethnic cleansing in Chechnya from 1991 to 1994. The authors of the appeal called the Dudaev regime fascist and accused the Russian authorities of trying to hide the fact of genocide [102].


        Well, we are all united, but only Russians are somehow aloof
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 26 September 2014 13: 32
          0
          Quote: Retarg
          At the same time, the Yakuts consider us Russian occupiers.

          wept wassat
          Quote: Retarg
          Anyway, here's an extract from Wikipedia

          Wikilix Asange forgot to mention media extracts of geyropa and mattress.
          Quote: Retarg
          but only Russians aside

          Wow, that’s tragic.
          1. Retarg
            Retarg 26 September 2014 16: 34
            0
            That is, you do not put the RAS in anything?
        2. prishelec
          prishelec 26 September 2014 22: 54
          +1
          / Retarg / quote: "In Tatarstan, it is very difficult to issue a permit for the construction of Orthodox churches and chapels."

          This is because, for example, in the Moscow region, or even in such a hole)) as the Stavropol Territory, they do not give out permission to build a mosque at all .. that's just it!
      2. Nikolav
        Nikolav 26 September 2014 09: 57
        +1
        Like O. Mityaev:
        "And in Ceylon, an island, or in Mallorca
        a Russian will never live with a Tatar. "
      3. Talgat
        Talgat 27 September 2014 00: 34
        +1
        Well said Max_Bauder! Of course, the steppe (and Tatars and Bashkirs and Kazakhs and Tuvans and others) and Russians have always been and will be together - this was always called Eurasia (from the Huns to the Desht and Kipchak and the USSR) It is significant that Kazakhstanis mostly support Russia in this difficult time, although negative relations could prevail due to the strongest information attack of the West and, in general, frankly speaking, the ambiguity of the situation

        BISAM conducted a survey on the crash of a Malaysian airliner attitude of Kazakhstanis to the conflict
        look interesting
        http://tengrinews.kz/article/203/
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 26 September 2014 09: 53
      0
      Russian is primarily a person with a soul, the Russian spirit is inherent only to Russians, and those nations and nationalities that have lived together with Russians for a long time have been so saturated with this spirit that some individuals have become more Russian in spirit than Russian in documents.
      1. Retarg
        Retarg 26 September 2014 10: 00
        -7
        Russian is primarily a person with a soul, the Russian spirit is inherent only to Russians,

        Only the soul or spirit cannot be measured, not hugged.

        and those nations and nationalities that have been living together with the Russians for a long time have been so saturated with this spirit that some individuals have become more Russian in spirit than Russian according to documents.


        As a result, these Russian nations do not like to put it mildly, and blame all their failures on them.
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    6. captain
      captain 26 September 2014 22: 33
      0
      In Ozhegov’s dictionary there is another definition of this nation.
  2. Seva
    Seva 26 September 2014 08: 58
    +23
    In a word, Russian is a state of mind.


    Well, the author himself answered the question
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 26 September 2014 09: 09
      +12
      if you think in Russian, speak Russian and ready to die for Russia, you are RUSSIAN ... I think so. drinks
      1. Қarabas
        Қarabas 26 September 2014 09: 46
        +1
        And does a similar scheme apply to other nations, do you think?
        For example: ethnic Russian, but thinks in Afghan (lives in Afghanistan), speaks their language, is ready to die for Afghanistan .. is he Afghan? Or Russian?
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 26 September 2014 12: 39
          +1
          Quote: karabas
          And does a similar scheme apply to other nations, do you think?

          Uv.Karabas, I won’t say for others, I’m Russian! hi
      2. Semurg
        Semurg 26 September 2014 19: 06
        +2
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        if you think in Russian, speak Russian and ready to die for Russia, you are RUSSIAN ... I think so. drinks

        Without claiming to be true, a Russian may be a citizen of the Russian Federation, and then Russian, Kazakh, drill. True, there is one catch we have in Kazakhstan there are Kazakhs who think in Russian, speak Russian and are ready to die for the Russian Federation, who are they? , but who are citizens of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
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    2. Spnsr
      Spnsr 26 September 2014 09: 43
      0
      Quote: Seva
      In a word, Russian is a state of mind.


      Well, the author himself answered the question

      I think the question is deeper here, by the way:

      it certainly is, to the perspective of comparison!
      but, in India, caste still exists! its meaning is that there is a ruling caste, a caste of warriors and workers!
      and my grandmother, when I once said that I was Russian, scolded me, we speak the Cossacks, and called the others lapotniki ...
      In general, it says to me that not so long ago, if we ignore the history taught at school, then in Russia there was also caste!
      By the way, those who are now called Ukrainians used to be Cossacks too! but, if you interpret the story in a slightly different way, not to mention those whom my grandmother called lapotniki, then this Cossacks began to decay, and then there was no ruling caste on them whose moral values ​​would not break their value guidelines in such a way!

      by and large, everything is a matter of faith! the story that I was taught at school made me ask a lot of questions and push me away! this does not eliminate all the questions, but this interpretation of the same knowledge leaves them less!
      this is to the fact that before there were no national issues, there were Tataravia! that is, the soldiers of Kazan, Astrakhan, Kalmyk, Cossack !!!
      maybe of course they did not serve as it is now, mixed up, but even when they had to clash together they did not fight among themselves but defeated the enemy
      1. insafufa
        insafufa 26 September 2014 11: 48
        +1
        But under the name Cossack, different peoples had the most diverse concepts in form and content. Among the Persians, the word Cossack meant people who were in the service, paid by the treasury, in Persian "gas" and hence "gazak". Among the Arabs, the word Cossack meant a horseman who fought for the faith and law of the prophet. In Mongolian, “kazykh” or “Cossack” meant a free warrior living separately in a tent, or, in another concept, armor, a shield and a strong stronghold for border protection, or a military guard.
        1. Spnsr
          Spnsr 26 September 2014 12: 29
          0
          Quote: insafufa
          But under the name Cossack, different peoples had the most diverse concepts in form and content. Among the Persians, the word Cossack meant people who were in the service, paid by the treasury, in Persian "gas" and hence "gazak". Among the Arabs, the word Cossack meant a horseman who fought for the faith and law of the prophet. In Mongolian, “kazykh” or “Cossack” meant a free warrior living separately in a tent, or, in another concept, armor, a shield and a strong stronghold for border protection, or a military guard.

          but the essence, the essence didn’t change, the Cossack is a free warrior, ready to defend his homeland ... and by the way, we won’t go into details about where this word came from and when ?! but, as a fact, another name for tithing was also used in Russia - Cossack!
        2. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu 26 September 2014 13: 53
          +2
          Quote: insafufa
          But under the name Cossack, different peoples had the most diverse concepts in form and content. Among the Persians, the word Cossack meant people who were in the service, paid by the treasury, in Persian "gas" and hence "gazak". Among the Arabs, the word Cossack meant a horseman who fought for the faith and law of the prophet. In Mongolian, “kazykh” or “Cossack” meant a free warrior living separately in a tent, or, in another concept, armor, a shield and a strong stronghold for border protection, or a military guard.
          The ancient Turks of the Turkic Haganate in the XNUMXth century Orkhon-Yenisei written monument discovered by V.V. Radlov have the expression "Kazgak ogly" (meaning: my adopted sons).
    3. RU-Officer
      RU-Officer 26 September 2014 09: 54
      +2
      We add: the community of spirituality, goals, mentality. And in general - you must have a CONSCIENCE.
      1. Retarg
        Retarg 26 September 2014 10: 01
        -1
        We add: the community of spirituality, goals, mentality. And in general - you must have a CONSCIENCE.


        Do Russians and Tatars have the same mentality?
        Do Tatars and Dagestanis have the same mentality?
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 26 September 2014 10: 16
          +1
          don’t wait for an answer to this question) they are more likely to admit that the Caucasians and Russians have exactly the same mentality! As evidence, they will bring video of hazing in the army, where Caucasians respect and love their brothers in Russian spirit and mentality ... but no, as they said below PEOPLE!
          1. Retarg
            Retarg 26 September 2014 10: 25
            +2
            Yes, people just don’t understand that erasing their nationality becomes disconnected and vulnerable.
  3. Bear13
    Bear13 26 September 2014 08: 59
    +3
    Undoubtedly, Russian is both a great nation and a state of mind. Only a truly Russian person in the first place care for his neighbor.
    1. Andrey from Tver
      Andrey from Tver 26 September 2014 09: 18
      +13
      Quote: Bear13
      Only a truly Russian person in the first place care for his neighbor.

      Then, it turns out that the Russian government is not a damn Russian. Anyway, in the last 20 years.
  4. saag
    saag 26 September 2014 09: 00
    +3
    And what is the question, are you Russian or not Russian? So this is for everyone to determine for himself, and not where he lives.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 26 September 2014 09: 08
      +9
      Quote: saag
      And what is the question, are you Russian or not Russian? So this is for everyone to determine for himself, and not where he lives.

      And what difference does it make, what nationality is this hero? If Kazakh, then he is not a hero or something?
      1. saag
        saag 26 September 2014 09: 16
        +3
        Quote: Vladimirets
        And what difference does it make, what nationality is this hero?

        Nationality is your roots, historical, cultural and other, and not a sign of a hero or not, if you are painfully embarrassed to talk about who is of what nationality, then you should think about what is the reason for this awkwardness.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 26 September 2014 09: 26
          +2
          Quote: saag
          you are painfully embarrassed

          Why did it happen?
          Quote: saag
          talk about who what nationality

          I'm just wondering: why in the context of this article?
          Quote: saag
          it’s worth considering what is the reason for this awkwardness.

          I thought it over. what
          1. Retarg
            Retarg 26 September 2014 09: 36
            -3
            The article, alas, is a sad propaganda, again an attempt to blur the meaning of the word Russian.
            1. arkady149
              arkady149 26 September 2014 10: 12
              +1
              Let me disagree. Vladimir Lytkin's article is not an essay of a "highly wise" verbiage, but a reflection of a mature, established person who is not indifferent to the fate of the Fatherland, and this is not propaganda, it is a way of thinking and an established system of worldview, close in spirit to the majority of readers of our site.
              1. Retarg
                Retarg 26 September 2014 10: 21
                -3
                article by Vladimir Lytkin is not an essay of a "highly wise" verbiage


                So it is, this is an essay of the "wise verbiage"

                reflection of a mature person who is not indifferent to the fate of the Fatherland


                This mature person doubts his nationality, sinking to "mixed with blood." Tries to deprive 84% of the population of national identity (and then people still wonder why Russians are so disunited). At the same time, a mature person got into linguistics.
                I am already silent about the fact that this mature man uses the feat of an officer to prove that his way of thinking is the only true one.
    2. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 26 September 2014 09: 32
      +9
      Quote: saag
      And what is the question, are you Russian or not Russian? So this is for everyone to determine for himself, and not where he lives.

      I want to give an example. During my time at the sports school of the Sverdlovsk district of Moscow, we had a negro Valera, with a difficult to pronounce surname, but not the essence. Child "Lumumbaria" (Institute of Friendship of Peoples, if someone is not in the subject). Go tell him, he is not Russian! By the way, from those who knew him, it never occurred to anyone!
      This is what, as the author of the article wrote very correctly, a person-representative of that nationality, to which he considers himself to be.
      Of course, this is mainly a matter of habitat and upbringing. The diasporas living with their enclaves will remain a new nation.
      You ask, where are we from, liberal Russophobes appear in our midst? Well, first of all, they are mainly (don’t have to blame me for anything, it's just a statement of fact!) .... and then Chikatilia also appear, and rapists and killers, a malfunction of the genocode, it seems to me! And it doesn’t matter whether Russian or not Russian!
      And now, according to Colonel. He is a Hero, period! And what nationality he refers to is his business! And we have something to be proud of, it is in OUR army, in OUR environment such Heroes appear!
    3. Retarg
      Retarg 26 September 2014 09: 35
      -3
      Markers of mitochondrial DNA are determined
      1. arkady149
        arkady149 26 September 2014 10: 25
        0
        Again I don’t put a minus, but the markers of mitochondrial DNA essentially reflect only metabolic features in accordance with the main food component in a given territory and the prevailing food preferences of any group for many generations and therefore fixed in the genome. There is certainly a connection, but it is not indisputable. A green-colored fruit can also be ripe. Well, you get the point.
        1. Retarg
          Retarg 26 September 2014 10: 29
          +1
          At the same time, one can more or less determine one’s true origin (the place where the ancestors came from). Yes, in addition to mitochondrial DNA, there are a bunch of other markers.
  5. FACKtoREAL
    FACKtoREAL 26 September 2014 09: 00
    +4
    PS By the way, why are the names of all the nations of the world a noun, and Russian is the only one whose name is an adjective?

    Do not repeat the thesis of the illiterate and the recent dill crawlers!
    а bring- here to prove this thesis to us ..
    FULL list of peoples and nationalities of our planet and the meaning of names in THEM languages!
    So why repeat the enemy's stupidities of others ??!
    1. DV69
      DV69 26 September 2014 09: 15
      0
      Quote: FACKtoREAL
      PS By the way, why are the names of all the nations of the world a noun, and Russian is the only one whose name is an adjective?

      Do not repeat the thesis of the illiterate and the recent dill crawlers!
      а bring- here to prove this thesis to us ..
      FULL list of peoples and nationalities of our planet and the meaning of names in THEM languages!
      So why repeat the enemy's stupidities of others ??!


      Here you are wrong. Russian is really an adjective. Previously, the definition of Russian meant citizenship of the Russian Empire and never defined nationality. After the Bolsheviks came to power, the definition of belonging to the country (USSR) became "Soviet man", and in the 90s a new concept was introduced - Russian.
      All these concepts mean the same thing, a representative of a people (ethnic group) living in a certain territory. Today we call this territory the Russian Federation.
      Therefore, Russian is an adjective.
      PS Anecdote to the topic:
      Everyone probably remembers (at least many) the first Soviet-American television bridges in the late 80s and early 90s. The presenters were V. Prozner and F. Donahue.
      -F. Donahue:
      Vladimir, are you a Jew?
      -AT. Posner:
      What are you Phil, I'm Russian!
      -F. Donahue:
      Well then, I'm American!

      Something like that.
      1. Retarg
        Retarg 26 September 2014 09: 38
        0
        By the way, and in Polish Russian will be Russian.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 26 September 2014 09: 53
        0
        Quote: DV69
        You are wrong here. Russian is really an adjective.

        An interesting remark, the name of the nations is a noun, the name of the races is an adjective. Light brown (white) race.
        1. DV69
          DV69 26 September 2014 10: 21
          0
          Quote: Setrac
          [
          An interesting remark, the name of the nations is a noun, the name of the races is an adjective. Light brown (white) race.


          I heard the version. that Race is an abbreviation (Childbirth Asses Country Asses).
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 26 September 2014 11: 10
            0
            Quote: DV69
            I heard the version. that Race is an abbreviation (Childbirth Asses Country Asses).

            So it is, initially the word "race" meant exactly the white (blond) race, only then other races began to be denoted by this word. RUS, RAS, RUS, all this is one root.
      3. FACKtoREAL
        FACKtoREAL 26 September 2014 09: 54
        +1
        WHERE I DISPUTE ADJECTIVE Meaning of the word RUSSIAN !!! ???
        I affirm that we are RUSSIAN, not LONE "adjectives" in this world! bully
      4. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 26 September 2014 12: 54
        0
        - "What is this coming out? I am Vasily Krolikov, in fact Izya Shniperson?"

        - "Aunt Mom! Were there Russians in our family? -
        - And how! On my mother's side, all Russians "

        - "My Christ to the Jews? -
        - What did you think? Papa Jewish, mother Jewish, will the baby be Russian? -
        Vasily Krolikov - Innokenty Shniperson film "Shirley-myrli"
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    3. FACKtoREAL
      FACKtoREAL 26 September 2014 10: 00
      0
      Negroes (from negrito, pl. negritos - Spanish diminutive of the word negro - "the black", "Negro") - a group of dark-skinned and relatively undersized peoples living in tropical forests
      ADJECTIVE number ONCE!
      wink
      1. DV69
        DV69 26 September 2014 10: 23
        0
        Quote: FACKtoREAL
        Negroes (from negrito, pl. negritos - Spanish diminutive of the word negro - "the black", "Negro") - a group of dark-skinned and relatively undersized peoples living in tropical forests
        ADJECTIVE number ONCE!
        wink


        Excuse me. did not understand your post correctly. Well, what are we arguing about?
  6. wanderer
    wanderer 26 September 2014 09: 02
    +1
    ------ RUSSIA AND RUSSIAN the same thing, these two concepts are inseparable and do not depend on the place of residence ... this is at the genetic level .... and each of these words attached to another word. As I understand it. Ok.
    1. DV69
      DV69 26 September 2014 09: 16
      +1
      Quote: wanderer
      ------ RUSSIA AND RUSSIAN the same thing, these two concepts are inseparable and do not depend on the place of residence ... this is at the genetic level .... and each of these words attached to another word. As I understand it. Ok.


      Two concepts - Rus and Rusich.
    2. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 26 September 2014 09: 23
      0
      Did you forget the word Rusich? The Russian in this case shows belonging to the country, just like an American ...... and there are many nationalities in our countries and in the states, in the same America are American Chinese, Russians, and Latinos ......
    3. muginov2015
      muginov2015 26 September 2014 09: 25
      0
      I read something interesting somewhere. There was Kiev and Russes inhabited it, from here - Russes Kiev (Russian)
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 26 September 2014 10: 22
        0
        Ros is a river. Right tributary of the Dnieper. The current Vinnitsa and Kiev regions. Living in its basin, dew (Russ). The main population of ancient Kiev is the tribes of the association of glades.
      2. goose
        goose 26 September 2014 12: 04
        0
        Correctly. Austrians invented Ukrainians in the middle of the 19th century.
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  7. anip
    anip 26 September 2014 09: 02
    +15
    But all the same, what nationality Serik Sultangabiev is. If this is so important, he is a Kazakh. Dot. Most importantly, he is a real person, and not what nationality he is.
    1. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 26 September 2014 09: 25
      +2
      Yes sir! Shoigu, Wasserman and other odds will be given to many ethnically Russians in terms of Russianness!
      1. Retarg
        Retarg 26 September 2014 09: 40
        +1
        I won’t say anything about Wasserman, but Shoigu, then a mestizo, then his mother is Russian.
  8. Agat
    Agat 26 September 2014 09: 03
    +5
    It seems to me that the Russians are a community of peoples united by one territory, one goal and one story. Peoples that have assimilated with each other throughout their history.
    I agree with that! I would also add Russian as a unifying language.
  9. anatolijbel
    anatolijbel 26 September 2014 09: 03
    +3
    PS By the way, why are the names of all the nations of the world a noun, and Russian is the only one whose name is an adjective?

    RUSSIAN - not which, but who.
    1. arkady149
      arkady149 26 September 2014 10: 41
      +1
      "Russian" means a Russian person. In the first place is the MAN, and only then the Russian and the arrogant pride of the place of birth and the cut of the eyes is alien to us. We really have something and someone to be proud of, including such heroes as Serik Sultangabiev.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 26 September 2014 11: 12
        0
        Quote: arkady149
        "Russian" means a Russian person.

        wink Well, like, if a noun, then it’s not a person at all, a new kind, a mutant - German, French, Japanese. Only we humans, Aryans ..... Somewhere I already heard it! wassat
        1. arkady149
          arkady149 26 September 2014 11: 26
          0
          Well, I’ll drive to s.rach, while there’s an hour,
          Quote: Setrac
          Well, type, if the noun
          But I’ll tell you for the native Russian language, learn and it will be happy for you and maybe even prosperity. As for the comments, one must operate with meanings, and not find fault with expressing them. My regards.
  10. Roman1970
    Roman1970 26 September 2014 09: 03
    +6
    Well, yes, I’m Russian ... And you know ... Maybe this is not right, but for some reason, when I communicate with Europeans, I subconsciously treat them like children. I am amazed by their naivety, pleasing spontaneity, sometimes annoying stupidity (but this is rare). But the general message is a kind of condescension ... Not arrogance, but condescension ...
    1. yegor_k
      yegor_k 26 September 2014 09: 13
      +2
      It `s naturally. So parents relate to their children. In Europe, they forgot who they are and where they came from.
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    3. mazhnikof.Niko
      mazhnikof.Niko 26 September 2014 09: 42
      0
      Quote: Roman1970
      But the general message is a kind of condescension ... Not arrogance, but condescension ...


      Here is the answer. Russian is ... WORLDVIEW and, as a result - WORLDVIEW.
    4. Retarg
      Retarg 26 September 2014 09: 43
      -2
      You're just arrogant, that's all. Personally, I treat both Europeans and white Americans as equals, because in the first place we are with these people at the same level of civilization, and in the second we are all Europeans. Russia is Europe.
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      2. mazhnikof.Niko
        mazhnikof.Niko 26 September 2014 09: 54
        +1
        Quote: Retarg
        You're just arrogant, that's all


        Not right, for an indulgent attitude towards CHILDREN is not arrogance.

        Quote: Retarg
        . Personally, I treat both Europeans and white Americans as equals,


        This statement can be easily attributed to racist. Why did you highlight the skin color of the Americans?
        You need to reconsider your attitude towards humanity.
        1. Retarg
          Retarg 26 September 2014 10: 04
          -3
          Not right, for an indulgent attitude towards CHILDREN is not arrogance.


          Your arrogance is that you consider mature nations, mature countries, children.

          This statement can be easily attributed to racist. Why did you highlight the skin color of the Americans?
          You need to reconsider your attitude towards humanity.

          It doesn’t matter, I’m a racist and I don’t hide it (all people are racists, some just hide it, and some forbid it).
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          2. mazhnikof.Niko
            mazhnikof.Niko 26 September 2014 11: 35
            +1
            Quote: Retarg
            It doesn’t matter, I’m a racist and I don’t hide it (all people are racists, some just hide it, and some forbid it).


            Clear. Everything is much more neglected.
            1. Retarg
              Retarg 26 September 2014 16: 37
              +1
              Do not lie to yourself that you are a man of the world, in fact, you are just as wary of those who differ from you in anything, especially their skin color or eye shape. And you even hate some. You are simply afraid to admit it.
  11. Styx
    Styx 26 September 2014 09: 04
    +2
    Well, actually, the Russians also had a noun, but ... It seems that it has already developed into a mentality of communication and community, at least for about 200 years we have been making our history COMMUNICATED. So to speak, with all our motley crowd :) were they Kazakh, Yakut, Rusich, Karelian, they lived in one country and she lived with each of our sneezes :)
  12. Board375
    Board375 26 September 2014 09: 04
    +1
    M. Karim "I am not Russian, but a Russian" - a work with a theme. I advise everyone to "meganatsi"
  13. tomket
    tomket 26 September 2014 09: 05
    +2
    Actually the whole argument comes down to a game of terms. For example, a Frenchman, for us he is not divided into different ethnic groups. And yet, who is he? Gall, franc, or maybe ligur? The same thing with the British and the Germans, and so on and so forth.
  14. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 26 September 2014 09: 06
    +5
    we are a beacon of conscience and honor among earthlings, we are the apogee of the development of homo-sapiens, we are the most beautiful people, we are a reference and a vivid illustration in order to explain: people? who is it?
    1. arkady149
      arkady149 26 September 2014 10: 48
      0
      Do you mind the prospect of a pretentious slide to "exclusiveness" as happened with the Germans in the last century and with the Americans now?
  15. Gardamir
    Gardamir 26 September 2014 09: 08
    +1
    Russian is one who lives in Russia. At first, one drunkard renamed our Motherland to Russia, and after almost three hundred years, another drunkard Russian called Russians. And you get used to it. Even ethnic Russians, having forgotten their culture, traditions, language, call themselves Russians.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 26 September 2014 09: 21
      +1
      Russian is the one who lives in Russia

      Well, then who are those who live, for example, in the same Kazakhstan? Are they not Russian?
      Yes, even in Africa ...
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 26 September 2014 09: 59
        +2
        I think so. that you understood everything normally. Russian is everywhere Russian. But who is a Russian, I do not understand. If, after 50 years, the next reformer wants to call my homeland Rasha, then no one will be against being called a rashanin?
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 26 September 2014 10: 20
          +1
          Yes, how can I understand. If you write, no-YOU APPROVE
          Russian is the one who lives in Russia

          Why dodge, if you can admit mistakes and the obvious. Here is a discussion, not a game, where you can lose a million for the wrong answer.
          ahhh, sorry, I forgot about the cons (
    2. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 26 September 2014 09: 29
      0
      Let me know what kind of "drunk" was 300 years old?
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 26 September 2014 09: 42
        0
        it seems to be about Peter1, but the author of the comment is not aware that during Peter's time the use of "Russian" began
  16. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 26 September 2014 09: 08
    +6
    Russian is someone who is willing to work for Russia and defend it from the enemy. Nationality does not matter.
  17. vorobey
    vorobey 26 September 2014 09: 08
    +6
    Volodya hi ... I never climbed so deep ...

    In short, Russian is the soul ... if the soul is attached to the body, it means a Russian man ...

    My wife recently started picking this topic ... Varangian Rus, Normans and more. shoveled a bunch of books while studying the Rurikovich and the Romanovs ... and said here that it’s better not to touch the Russian theme - you will break your brains ..
  18. Boris55
    Boris55 26 September 2014 09: 09
    +4
    Quote: major071
    By the way, why are the names of all the peoples of the world a noun, and the only Russian whose name is an adjective?

    If you remember in the old Soviet films about the war the Germans called us - RUS.

    Russian with two "C" is wrong. Vladimir Dal argued that it is wrong to write "Russian" with two "s", and wrote with one (Russian language, Russian people, Russian land ...). In the annals there is also one "s" - Russian, Russian.

    Where did the second "C" come from? In his dictionary, Dal explains that in the old days they used to write "Russian" with one "s" - Pravda Russian; only Poland called us Rosay. Rosayans, Rosai, according to the Latin spelling, but we adopted this, transferred it to our Cyrillic alphabet and write in Russian!

    According to the rules of Latin spelling, if the letter "C" is one, then it reads like [3], and if there are two "SS", then it reads [C]. In Russian, the letter "C" is always read [C] and is doubled very rarely, for example: quarrel, lend.

    Russian or Russian. "Why double consonants, when it is contrary to our language, and with good pronunciation, it cannot be heard" - V.I. Dahl.
    1. Max otto
      Max otto 26 September 2014 09: 41
      +1
      What happened is gone. It is still fashionable for us to adopt everything imported, signs in all cities in 90% in Latin, buzzwords - merchandiser, volunteer, manager, etc. etc. It is necessary to deal with this, but for now I am guided by the officially approved rules of the Russian language, to the extent of awareness (as they were able to teach, in short laughing )
  19. yegor_k
    yegor_k 26 September 2014 09: 11
    +1
    The book of S.T. Alekseev find, called "Russia: We and the World" on the same topic, and after reading everything falls into place.
    1. Styx
      Styx 26 September 2014 09: 41
      0
      thanks for the recommendation, I’ll read, if only in the net
  20. saag
    saag 26 September 2014 09: 12
    +3
    Quote: Mikhail M
    Russian is one who lives in Russia.

    Why are you saying this, moreover, unequivocally and unconditionally, so I don’t live in Russia (I wonder what you mean by that?), And I’m Russian, I have it in my official passport document that certifies this, but do you have it? Does the state of your residence confirm that you are Russian, or is it simply written citizenship - Russian?
  21. Sasha75
    Sasha75 26 September 2014 09: 12
    +2
    Yes, the author kept silent minus, he found when he talked about a person in a hospital in a serious condition, and his act is of nationality, what nonsense it’s pure to cut something that’s not painful, fear GOD is ashamed of others on the branch, and you are like them.
  22. Averias
    Averias 26 September 2014 09: 13
    +3
    Well, the question was asked by the author. And what, in fact, doubts then? After all, Russian is not an entry in a passport, not an affiliation. If I, in my soul, thoughts, actions, are similar to those of my ancestors, I am Russian. If from the word Rus - awe and pride seizes me, I am Russian. When, to the contemptuous from the "civilized" Europeans - this is Rusish, I proudly answer - yes I am Russian (and then the color of idiomatic expressions on the topic of where to go and where to turn laughing ) When I am proud (despite all the hardships) of my country - I am Russian. Of course it sounds like patriotic slogans - but in fact it is.
    1. saag
      saag 26 September 2014 09: 19
      +2
      Quote: Averias
      After all, Russian is not an entry in the passport, not an affiliation.

      Belonging to a certain ethnic group, you should not take such a superficial attitude to it, and the entry in the passport is the attitude of the state towards you, it allows you to indicate whether or not to belong to a certain ethnic group, if not ask yourself why this is so.
      1. Averias
        Averias 26 September 2014 09: 28
        0
        Quote: saag
        Quote: Averias
        After all, Russian is not an entry in the passport, not an affiliation.

        Belonging to a certain ethnic group, you should not take such a superficial attitude to it, and the entry in the passport is the attitude of the state towards you, it allows you to indicate whether or not to belong to a certain ethnic group, if not ask yourself why this is so.

        No, that you. I'm not superficial, not at all. Simply, it is such a topic that you can talk a lot and still not find the right words. Yes, and wrote from the tablet while traveling on the bus. In a fit so to speak this minute.
      2. Retarg
        Retarg 26 September 2014 09: 45
        -1
        To erase nationality, of course. In order to form mythical "Russians" following the example of the Soviet Union (Soviet people). But in the USSR it was not so tough.
  23. dr.star75
    dr.star75 26 September 2014 09: 13
    +4
    Yesterday, the news broadcast that he was in serious condition, a speedy recovery to the Hero. I hope the doctors will do everything impossible for his recovery.
  24. shishakova
    shishakova 26 September 2014 09: 14
    +2
    Thanks to the author!
    I read at VO - my nationality is Man. True, the main thing is to be a Man.
    However, each country has its own face - traditions, lifestyle, in general, the style of behavior.
    When I was in Turkey, I was asked by an Armenian salesman in a handicraft jewelry store - how do I feel about Armenians?
    - You know, when I come to any Country, it seems to me that at that time I have the nationality of this Country (temporarily). It is easy for a person to enter the role (temporarily adapt) to traditions that are unusual for himself.
    But in our hearts we remain patriots of Russia, and nationality has little to do with patriotism.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 26 September 2014 09: 25
      +3
      okay, nationality? -Man!
      it’s as if Ethiopians or Chinese are not people. But really, why self-determination, why look for the difference between peoples, why remember the roots and glory of the ancestors ... man and all!
      some hell
  25. vassa
    vassa 26 September 2014 09: 22
    +2
    Any nation is formed by culture.
    What difference does it make what nationality a person is by origin. By the way, due to numerous wars over millions of years, you are unlikely to find a nation without admixtures of "blood of a different kind", except for those who lived separately, well, for example, the Chukchi or the Japanese ... or the Indians (and then a question!) If a person is closer to that culture, then the environment in which he lives, then he is a representative of this nation that has developed over centuries. This is nationality !!!!!!. By the way, Ukrainians, who were born and all their life those who have lived in Russia hardly have a Ukrainian mentality.
    1. Retarg
      Retarg 26 September 2014 09: 50
      0
      Hmm, you don’t know ordinary biology? Blood is mixed, yeah. right now. Usually through the generation there is a splitting of signs, i.e. If the grandfather was not Russian, the grandmother was Russian, the father was a mixture, if the mother is Russian, then the child will be either Russian or not Russian.
  26. Terminolol
    Terminolol 26 September 2014 09: 22
    +2
    A.V. Suvorov
    A Russian is distinguished by faith, fidelity and reason. All Europe will vainly move to Russia: it will find Thermopylae, Leonid and its coffin there.
    1. Sergey Sitnikov
      Sergey Sitnikov 26 September 2014 09: 26
      0
      ))) Fu damn it - I do not want to find or see my coffin at all))), it is clearly not my problem and purchase!
      1. Terminolol
        Terminolol 26 September 2014 09: 27
        0
        I think, for the sake of such a goal, it’s possible for everyone to chop off the ruble. Two per coffin for the USA!
    2. Hleb
      Hleb 26 September 2014 09: 44
      0
      for many, this comment is inconvenient) after all, Suvorov is the Great commander, and he said "Russian"
  27. Terminolol
    Terminolol 26 September 2014 09: 25
    +1
    Otto von Bismarck
    Do not hope that once using the weakness of Russia, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on the Jesuit agreements that you have signed, supposedly justifying you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it’s worth playing with the Russians honestly or not at all. [42]
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 26 September 2014 09: 45
      0
      Otto von Bismarck
      Petrosyan
      1. Terminolol
        Terminolol 26 September 2014 10: 18
        +1
        No need to be so categorical. Actually said by a man who left his mark in the history of not only his empire, but the whole world.
        Better express your opinion as opposed to saying what you disagree with. A troll big mind is not necessary.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 26 September 2014 10: 45
          0
          I do not agree with what he said. At least verbatim. If you prove to me his authorship, I will apologize to all Russian people)
          1. Terminolol
            Terminolol 26 September 2014 11: 28
            +1
            Excerpt from Otto Bismarck's book "Thoughts and Memories".
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 26 September 2014 15: 03
              0
              I asked for evidence? you show me the cover. I could just lay it out and say that in this book Bismarck talked about aliens.
              give a specific text? page? I can even give you a link, where where you will look for this page
              http://militera.lib.ru/memo/german/bismarck_o01/index.html
              1. Hleb
                Hleb 26 September 2014 16: 01
                0
                like this you can bring
          2. Terminolol
            Terminolol 26 September 2014 11: 31
            0
            Here's more about Russia:
            Reich Chancellor Prince von Bismarck to Vienna Ambassador to Prince Henry VII Reuss
            Confidentially
            349 No. Confidential (Secret) Berlin 03.05.1888 Year

            After receiving the expected report for 217 from 28 last month, Count Kalnoki has raided doubts that the officers of the General Staff, who had supposed the war would start in the fall, may still be wrong.
            One could argue on this topic if such a war would possibly lead to such consequences that Russia, in the words of Count Kalnoki, "will be defeated." However, such a development of events, even with brilliant victories, is unlikely.
            Even the most successful outcome of the war will never lead to the collapse of Russia, which is supported by millions of Russian believers of the Greek faith.
            These latter, even if they are subsequently corroded by international treaties, will reunite with each other just as quickly as disconnected droplets of mercury find this path to each other.
            It is an indestructible State of the Russian nation, strong in its climate, in its spaces and in its unpretentiousness, as well as through its awareness of the need for constant protection of its borders. This State, even after complete defeat, will remain our product, seeking revenge by the enemy, as we have in the case of today's France in the West. This would create a situation of constant tension for the future, which we will be forced to assume if Russia decides to attack us or Austria. But I am not ready to assume this responsibility, and to be the initiator of our creation of a similar situation.
            We have an already failed example of the "Destruction" of a nation by three strong opponents, a much weaker Poland. This destruction failed for as long as 100 years.
            The vitality of the Russian nation will be no less; we will, in my opinion, be more successful if we simply treat them as an existing constant danger against which we can create and contain protective barriers. But we can never eliminate the very existence of this danger ..
            In the attack on today's Russia, we will only strengthen its desire for unity; waiting for the fact that Russia will attack us can lead to the fact that we will wait before its internal collapse before it attacks us, and moreover, we can wait for this, the less we will by means of threats, prevent it from slipping into a dead end.
            f. Bismarck.
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 26 September 2014 15: 05
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              Well, why is this here? It has nothing to do with the first quote. Moreover, these points have been taken apart for a long time.
              but nowhere is there what you wrote in the first comment. I can throw more




              about this by the way here and I already wrote
              Even the most successful outcome of the war will never lead to the collapse of Russia, which is supported by millions of Russian believers of the Greek faith.

              where did you copy your first comment from? ... [42]
          3. Terminolol
            Terminolol 26 September 2014 23: 22
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            As you guessed, I’m not going to prove anything, I don’t think it is necessary, in fact, like your opinion, I’m not very interested. If you think that someone owes you something, you are mistaken. Actually, I was hurt by your attitude to the above, I will not compare your talent for writing with the talent of Bismarck, since this is empty.
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 27 September 2014 00: 00
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              skillfully jumped! beautifully left!
              By the way, "Petrosyan" was humor (in the sense that these words can be attributed to him), not trolling. But trolling is when pseudo-quotes of famous people appear on the site every day, statements attributed to them.
  28. Terminolol
    Terminolol 26 September 2014 09: 26
    +1
    The Europeans have forgotten the ancestral covenants ... have become obese.
  29. bastasguf90
    bastasguf90 26 September 2014 09: 26
    0
    never did our ancestors share in principle, the four peoples of the khariyts, d'arians, races and svyatoruss, only differed in their eyes, this is relative to us, Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Scots, Icelanders, Czechs, Poles, Serbs, Finns, Swedes, Syrians, Macedonians, Germans and many others, about how much they have invented ... as for the whole of humanity, there are only six divisions I know, white, yellow, red, black, gray and Tsegane (these are (tse) ways of spiritual development (ga - runa) not having (not)), that is, mixed ... and never when our ancestors did not consider that someone is worse than others, each nation is individual, and this must be preserved, but it is stupid to conflict on racial or ethnic grounds, we after all, we do not choose who will be born, do we?
  30. Bronik
    Bronik 26 September 2014 09: 29
    +3
    I don’t know exactly how much and what kind of blood the evolution has stirred in me, I know about 5. I consider myself Russian, I live in Russia, served Russia, I’m ready to tear throats for Russia. While lying in one trench, there are Russian, Georgian, Jewish, and Kazakh and the Armenian were ready to give their lives for each other, for some reason no one thought about the nation of the comrade. You do not need to divide people into the first and second grades and everything will be right.
  31. Retarg
    Retarg 26 September 2014 09: 30
    -2
    Instead of honoring the injured person who has fulfilled his duty, the author uses this person to promote multinationality. This is a vile and low author.

    By the way, the author, arguing about the purity of the race, do not forget about the scoop, and do not forget to die to know what your brain is in.

    By the way, train the mat.chast, typical Russian features:
    The proportion of light and medium shades of hair and eyes is increased, the proportion of dark is reduced;
    Reduced growth of eyebrows and beard;
    Moderate face width;
    The prevalence of medium horizontal profile and medium-high nose;
    A smaller slope of the forehead and a weaker development of the eyebrow.

    And if you master it, here's a genetic study of the Russians.
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707000250
  32. Neighbor
    Neighbor 26 September 2014 09: 34
    +2
    Is Kazakh really bad? Especially a good man, a real officer and a citizen of Russia.
  33. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 26 September 2014 09: 39
    +8
    That's what A.I. Denikin said on this occasion, and I agree with him.
  34. Abbra
    Abbra 26 September 2014 09: 39
    +3
    This colonel, God forbid, to recover. In general, I believe that we are all Russians. And Tatars, Russians, Kazakhs are already the tenth thing.
  35. Abbra
    Abbra 26 September 2014 09: 40
    0
    We are all Russians ...
  36. bunta
    bunta 26 September 2014 09: 46
    +1
    Maybe the concept of "ethnos" is difficult to understand, but only ethnography provides a clear division of peoples not according to
    language, and according to the stereotype of behavior. By how a person will behave in a particular situation, we can determine who he is - Russian or European. When an officer covers himself with a grenade to save a soldier or a soldier with his body closes the commander from a bullet, this is a sign of Russian behavior. No matter what blood and what color flows in his veins and what language his ancestors spoke.
    1. Retarg
      Retarg 26 September 2014 09: 58
      0
      This is a sign of a good officer in charge of his subordinates.
      1. bunta
        bunta 26 September 2014 11: 07
        +2
        Quote: Retarg
        This is a sign of a good officer in charge of his subordinates.

        This is the reasoning of a German officer. The division into "good" and "bad" is accepted in the Western mentality. Starting from "good Indian - dead Indian". In the Russian mentality, there is no good-bad division. There is a division "ours - not ours". The term "our man" is inherent only in Russian communication and is determined precisely by how a person acts in a given situation.
        1. Retarg
          Retarg 27 September 2014 12: 40
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          Will you tell me, Russian, about our mentality?

          Distinguish flies from cutlets and do not slide into zadornovshchina.

          The term "our man" is in any language and means the same as in Russian.
  37. Hleb
    Hleb 26 September 2014 09: 49
    0
    albeit a little, but tex touches on this topic too, because such questions still arise


    Who are we, whose world is not always simple?
    Who are you, blinded by tears?
    Who are you burnt loving?
    Who are you, forgetting yourself?
  38. Signaller
    Signaller 26 September 2014 09: 51
    +2
    I read reviews. How many words are good and not very. But if you look at the essence of the question why ??? There is an answer known to all of you. This is the text of the oath
    MILITARY Oath *
    I, (surname, name, patronymic) solemnly swear allegiance to my homeland -
    Russian Federation.
    I swear to sacredly observe its Constitution and laws, strictly comply with the requirements
    military manuals, orders of commanders and commanders.
    I swear to fulfill military duty with dignity, courageously defend freedom,
    independence and constitutional system of Russia, people and the Fatherland.
    -------------------------
    * Approved by the law of the Russian Federation "On Military Duty and Military Service" of 11
    February 1993 of the year.

    In principle, any man serving or serving in the army gave this. From here and the answer to all questions-WHY. Well, then the mentality, nationality and more. Personal opinion.
  39. Igarr
    Igarr 26 September 2014 10: 04
    +2
    Well, as much as possible .... different smart sources.
    "... Russian ..." is a special type of noun that fits with adjectives.
    Sentinel, steering, sexual - these are all definitions of a MAN. Professions, you could say.
    Based on this, a very simple conclusion is obtained - Russian is not a nationality. This is a set of qualities.
    If hunting is strong, then it can be considered a nationality.
    Europe, and the whole world, is rightly doing it when they don’t bother with determining their affiliation - from Russia, Russian means. Even though his eyes are like a knife’s blade, an epicanthus, like a penguin’s (a joke), etc. and so forth
    Our territory is such a country that everything here is Russian. And by belonging to culture, they determine a nation, for themselves.
  40. parafoiler
    parafoiler 26 September 2014 10: 05
    +3
    Quote: shershen
    As in a joke:
    -Are you Jewish?
    -Russian
    -And I'm American.


    This, by the way, is not a joke, but a quote from a dialogue between US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and political observer of the USSR Valentin Zorin. It wasn’t worth it. This is a diplomatic classic that you need to know about.
  41. Signature
    Signature 26 September 2014 10: 11
    +2
    The author is sincerely grateful for the delicate choice of the topic and its even more subtle interpretation (apparently, Japanese roots, nevertheless, take "their own" - if we mean the classical wisdom of the East)! ..
    In fact, the concept of a nation (nationality / national, etc. - with all derivatives, or derivatives, as "people of science" put it) was literally sculpted and promulgated at the end of two centuries - the 18th and 19th. It was in Germany (by German enthusiasts - supporters of the romanticism that was triumphant then not only in art, but even in the philosophy of romanticism). And, by the way, this concept arose as a framework frame (contextual / semantic "bed") for the very - well-known to everyone from the bitter 1940s - idea of ​​German - national-German - exclusivity.
    And does the genesis of the term not reveal in this case quite unambiguously that the idea of ​​"nation / national ... etc.) is also expensive (often to those who are forced to fight it, and without any anticipatory intent), - that is, no less "expensive" than, for example, the idea of ​​German National Socialism or cutting-edge bandit nonsense?
  42. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 26 September 2014 10: 11
    +2
    Hello! Be proud that: YOU-RUSSIAN! soldier
  43. 3vs
    3vs 26 September 2014 10: 16
    +2
    You can probably write a doctoral dissertation on this subject.

    Russians, but why not.
    Our proverb is that "the Russians will not help out in a fight, they will win the war!"
    And this has its own truth.
    Pre-Christian freedom-loving, steppe expanses and vast forests formed
    "a broad Russian soul".
    Orthodoxy ennobled violent temper, probably all this together made it possible
    become the Russian Empire from the Baltic to the Pacific Ocean, Alaska and Fort Ross!
    Personally, I have some kind of opinion about some peoples expressed in one word:
    Germans - Ordnung order;
    Americans are mani, that is money;
    Jews - profit;
    Russians are justice.
    It may be too rude, but this is my opinion.
    That's what is lacking in the Russian character, not everyone, of course, is
    German composure and order and the Jewish thirst for knowledge.
    In the Chinese it is, but there is no Russian breadth of soul.
    Something like this, but what do you think?
    1. goose
      goose 26 September 2014 12: 17
      0
      Among the Germans, the ordnung came only in the 19th century.
  44. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 26 September 2014 10: 18
    +1
    A good phrase was in one of the films: "I am not a Negro, I am an Afro-Russian! .."
  45. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 September 2014 10: 26
    +1
    PS By the way, why are the names of all the nations of the world a noun, and Russian is the only one whose name is an adjective?

    "In the era of the Russian Empire, the meaning of the word" Russian "significantly differed from its modern use. It covered all Eastern Slavs - the descendants of historical Russia"
    this is under the Communists, the concept of Russian narrowed to only one component-the Great Russians
    In addition, in the Russian language there is also such a concept as Substantiation
  46. Oznob
    Oznob 26 September 2014 10: 38
    0
    This version of the origin of the word "Russian" seems to me the most adequate. Rus was originally called not the state itself "Rus", but the prince's squad. The prince was the embodiment of the state at that time. So lands (with people, of course) to which the power of the prince and his retinue were extended were "Russian". According to analyzes of early written sources, the word was born in the area of ​​modern Novgorod. Those. "Russian" - referring to Russia. At the time of the emergence of Russia, the land was inhabited mainly by Slavs. So in centuries the nation "Russian" was born, and the majority of Slavic peoples became the base.

    Z.Y. I got acquainted with this version about 5 years ago, so without calculations and links to sources.
  47. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 26 September 2014 10: 46
    +2
    Interesting topic. I personally am of the opinion that Russian is a state of mind.
    Many ethnic Russians are not essentially such Russims, because in their minds (I wanted to write in my soul) there is only a desire to live well and, if possible, further from Russia. The desire to do more good for the homeland and its people (no matter what nationality, but living in Russia and for Russia) can be welcomed, but only if you do not consciously alienate yourself from Russia. For example, if you have the opportunity to leave for permanent residence in the USA and you are implementing it, then in fact you are no longer Russian. If you go to the USA not for yourself, but in the interests of your country (Russia) and later you are going to return, then you are Russian. If you take your children abroad for permanent residence - you are not Russian, because the connection between your children and the Motherland will be completely lost in the next generation.

    In general, all ethnic Russians who emigrated abroad and live there - in fact, they are no longer Russian, whatever they say. Most likely they are already people of the world, but not Russian. Russian-speaking - yes, but not Russian ...
  48. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 26 September 2014 10: 48
    +4
    I don’t know, I consider myself Russian, although it’s mixed with blood, father, half Russian half Mordvin, Ukrainian mother, was born in the Komi Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, well, who am I ... In my opinion:
    - Russian is the one who loves Russia and serves it. Blood issues are secondary.
    - The Russian Federation and Russia are NOT the same! The Russian Federation arose in most of Russia about 20 years ago during the operation to destroy the USSR.
    - The main and only purpose of existence, announced to the residents of the Russian Federation - MONEY! No other goal, policy, idea and / or ideology ... A different question - for different people - different money: for some it is a way of daily survival (not letting you think about the future), for others, the exploitation of the whole country, people and a pass to the "golden billion "(although not everyone will be given!)
    - Liberalism is an inhuman doctrine, which actually leads to the introduction of social Darwinism and the primacy of animal existence, i.e. to the degradation of human civilization, hiding behind loud populist slogans about "freedom" and "equal rights". RF is close to the highest stage of liberalism, with all the hallmarks: man is wolf to man; everything for sale; complete lack of spirituality
    - The West perceives the territory of the former. The USSR as a Russian heritage, for which there is a sluggish (yet!) Struggle. A part of the "legacy" can be used by him as a "payoff" for the gaining strength of the Islamic world and China (if China is not stopped by the West earlier, as envisaged by the plan).
    - The West is ONE, led by the United States and it cannot be split by something like gas supplies or joint missile defense. The main reason for the economic problems of the West in recent times is "relaxation" after the collapse of the USSR, as the only real alternative. This, of course, does not cancel out the irreconcilable contradictions of capitalism.
    - The foundation of US power and, in general, is the financial system. The rest of the countries live by foreign (western) rules. This power is actively supported around the world with an armed hand and covert operations.
    - Refusal of the Soviet heritage - experience in building a society of social justice and the study of errors - a crime against humanity
    - In the USSR (1937-91) there was only ONE objective flaw - stagnation in ideology, all others were subjective.
    - The Council of Deputies and the USSR of the 1917-37 of the year are the base and fuel for the world revolution, with the 1937-38 it has acquired the features of Russia. In fact, in 1937-38, the Russian national revolution took place in Russia - weak, unfinished (interrupted by the Second World War) and poorly supported from below.
    - The creation of Russia as a national-ethnic Russian state (such as the 19 century) is impossible. But the extinction of the Russians puts the world on the brink of disaster, depriving it of its only hope for a brighter future.
    - The basis for preserving Russia today and the basis for its revival tomorrow is the defense industry and the Armed Forces (primarily the strategic nuclear forces).
    - Little Russia and Belarus are integral parts of Russia, but reuniting with them at this stage is not practical because of the political situation in the Russian Federation, so they are given time / opportunity to work out / test the economic and social forms of development of the Russian people.
    - The revival of Russia is possible only on the basis of an ideology built on social justice and under the leadership of a mass organization built on this ideology. Ideology should be supranational, not yet formulated clearly yet, the Russian idea should be and is such.
    - T.N. "bourgeois democracy" is based on deception at all levels and at any time, but local self-government can become the basis for revival.
    - Russia and the Russian people have a reserve of time until about 2020, after which an independent determination of their own future will become almost impossible.
    - There is NO place for objectivity in the world - “ours” are always closer and more expensive than “others”. You just need to include a system of double standards in your tactics and use it effectively.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 26 September 2014 12: 01
      0
      Quote: Novel 1977
      - There is NO place for objectivity in the world - “ours” are always closer and more expensive than “others”. You just need to include a system of double standards in your tactics and use it effectively.

      With this, you immediately crossed out all the good that you said earlier.
      1. Retarg
        Retarg 26 September 2014 16: 33
        +1
        Well, always, no matter how you want the friendship of peoples, your own will be much closer and with your friendship stronger than with strangers. And only Russians are refused to be one people, one friendly nation.
  49. Johnny51
    Johnny51 26 September 2014 11: 00
    +2
    An interesting question was raised by the Major ... I completely agree with A.I. Denikin in who can consider himself Russian. I myself will say this: "Russian is not so much a nationality as a state of mind." And what, in addition, is from the evil one ...
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