Who are we?

Greetings to you, dear members of the "Military Review"!

September September 25 published an article on our website.Colonel rescued sergeant by closing grenades from an explosion". Good article, correct, showing what should be an officer of the Russian Army. I fully agree that the man accomplished the feat by covering his body with a young soldier. I welcome the general approval of this act and join it myself.

It seems that everything is clear: the man committed the feat (I speak without sarcasm). What else can I write in this thread, besides expressing gratitude, I will not be afraid of this word, the hero?

But suddenly in this thread the discussion begins, who is this person: Russian Kazakh, Kazakh Russian or just Russian? And in the light of this question, I would like once again to raise this hackneyed politicians, political scientists, ethnographers, historians, etc., etc., the topic: who is Russian?

I will not go deep into history Russias and Slavs in general, all literate, we read various wise sources, and each of us has an opinion about where the Russians came from. Yes, the question is not that. The question is: who are the Russians? Nationality or state of mind?

Is it an ethnos? Yes. Is it the people? Of course yes! And now let's omit the notion of ethnicity and all other multi-wise words with which science burdens us.

Talk easy. Here, for example, me. I am Russian, although in my ancestors 50% are mixed with Slavs (Russians and Poles), Gypsies and, oddly enough, Japanese. I was born in the USSR, on the territory of modern Russia, in the passports of my parents it is written: Russian and Russian. Does this mean that I am already born Russian? To some extent, yes. And to some extent not.

But I feel Russian. How to define it? I think that this is primarily determined by upbringing and further perception of life through the prism of upbringing. I was raised Russian. That is, concepts and something else have been invested in me that makes me Russian. In short, Russian is a state of mind. And the soul is, it is still there, whatever the materialists say.

Or am I wrong? And Russian is a Slavic type of person, blue or green eyes, brown hair and height from a meter seventy five? Yes, I can cite a bunch of examples that such types have never been and will not be Russian. I have many relatives in Germany. They left in 90 on the general wave of “returnees”, and only one of my aunt was German, who married my uncle (not German at all), my Russian mother, my father is Kazakh. She left and dragged behind her all the relatives from both her and ours. Everybody was leaving: the Germans, the Kazakhs, and the Russians. A dozen years have passed, and now all of them, Russians and Kazakhs, tell me that they are German, since they live in Germany.

So maybe the concept of Russian is determined by its territory of residence? Just like the Germans and the rest of Europeans? Maybe yes, maybe not. Why is it that Russians are immediately determined in the West, even if they are not even Slavs? No, not from the memory left by the "brothers" of 90's, who have seized upon big money and freebies, and not by the behavior of some of our "individuals" who believe that everything is allowed to them. No no and one more time no. After all, Belarusians and Ukrainians there are also generally called Russians. Sometimes a person is no different from a Western tourist, both European and Asian, but there is still something in him that indicates Russian origin.

I think this is a mentality and state of mind. Still, no matter how we try to absorb the Western way of life with our consumer morality, but still there is something in us that other nations do not have. It seems to me that the Russians are a community of peoples united by one territory, one goal and one history. Peoples who throughout their history assimilated with each other.

I apologize for the confusion, to be honest, the more I wrote, the more questions I had. In order not to drown in scientific terms, etc., I bring this issue up for discussion.

PS By the way, why are the names of all the nations of the world a noun, and Russian is the only one whose name is an adjective?

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[Момент]

PS By the way, why are the names of all the nations of the world a noun, and Russian is the only one whose name is an adjective?

Jew is also an adjective

[anip]

Quote: Moment

Jew is also an adjective

No. The adjective will be "Jewish". So that's it.

[inkass_98]

By the way, why are the names of all the peoples of the world a noun,

It is only in Russian, and this Russian name for other nationalities is a noun. Take English - english means both "English" and "Englishman". "Russian", "german", etc. - will mean "Russian" and "German" - adjectives. So "everything is not so simple" (C). Do not be like Zadornov and other home-grown "historians" and "linguists" who talk at the level of proto-ukrov about the origin of everything and everything from the consonance they liked.

[SS68SS]

Quote: inkass_98

Do not be like Zadornov and other home-grown "historians" and "linguists",

On the contrary, be like Zadornov. He sows good and eternal. And all his "delights" in linguistics and history should be perceived with irony and a smile. This is just a joke.

[domokl]

Author -cheburek In other matters, I am a cheburek and, probably, everyone else. Russia has never divided people by face, color of skin or hair, height and everything else ...
And we are proud of the Russian military leaders Bagration, Barclay de Tolly, Rokosovsky, Baghramyan, and hundreds of others ... We are proud of the great Russian poet Pushkin ...
The topic is painful for boys, but completely not relevant for adult Russians. For me there is a good person and a bad one, friend and enemy ...
And about the colonel ... He is a Russian officer, with all the ensuing pros and cons ... And there is absolutely nothing to discuss here.

[Retarg]

Poor, you know the history of Russia, you always shared about hair color and skin color, you don’t go into the aristocracy, but look at ordinary people who were always wary of strangers.

By the way, in Sholokhov's "Quiet Don", why was the main character's mother killed?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

well, if they started talking about Sholokhov, then any important thing could have been a Cossack,

[shasherin.pavel]

Bering, Amundsen, and how many were surrounded by Peter 1, who changed their names to Russian pronunciation.

[Roman75]

Comrade Major General, why are you Amundsen so old and deported? He was exactly 200 years younger than Peter I and lived in his Norway.

[shasherin.pavel]

Quote: SS68SS

become like Zadornov

Think about what you say: I have been looking for Israeli rabbis in VKontakte for a long time to be able to ask them questions on biblical topics, but I was amazed that they could not answer or determine the meaning of words in the Old Testament that are given in the Bible without translation, but in Russian, if you change one letter in this word, then the meaning comes by itself, I checked myself by inserting such a meaning into other sentences and the text was revealed. I cannot explain such a phenomenon, but how angry some of the rabbis were at me ... After all, it turns out that the Church Slavonic text is more understandable than the Hebrew text. But the first chapters of Genesis are given from Sanskrit, not from Hebrew.

[Papakiko]

Quote: shasherin.pavel

But the first chapters of Genesis are given from Sanskrit, not from Hebrew.

Oh li or ah li.
They told you about it, everything was decided in the 15-16 centuries!
Why was it once written in "Sanskrit", where and why suddenly the language and writing fall into oblivion?
A verse about Mayakovsky’s stars in response to you.

[shasherin.pavel]

Quote: inkass_98

"German

And German freedom comes from the word "dumb" that is, it does not speak Russian, later it began to refer to all merchants of foreign origin, and apparently through the fact that the Germans were most of all transferred to German merchants, like German merchants. This word comes from the native Russian "mute", and does not exist in the "German" language.

[Turkir]

Actually, we are Russes.
Zadornov is right, he is not joking, only his research is superficial. I would take an example from my father, who studied the history of the Far East and its colonization up and down. Yes, I learned that the Japanese studied all his books up and down, as a serious scientific work.
There is a hypothesis that we got our name from the Ros River, and do not forget about the city of Staraya Russa.
"In our time, the most popular version connects the origin of the name of the city with the river Rusa (now Porusya), and if you go deeper, the hydronym" Rusa "could come from the Proto-Slavic rusa, that is, just" river "." - http://strana.ru/places/65590/info
And for those who want to know more, I sincerely advise you to read the "History of the Russ in an uncorrupted form" by S.Ya. Paramonov. (Tyr. 1000 (!) copies)
There is also a biological hypothesis - the fact is, RYE was growing in this region, but it did not exist in Western Europe. And it was Russ who cultivated it.
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And Serik Sultangabiev is a MAN and this is the most important thing.
It is a pity that the author did not mention his name and surname in this article.

[Max otto]

Who are you? - Russian. In this case, "Russian" is a noun.
Whose machine do you have? - Russian. In this case, the adjective.
I do not see the contradictions. Everything is fine.

[Hleb]

just like that, and the author should have already mastered the term "substantiation"

Stood on the mountain passer-bycompletely black.

A student is walking along the street, after him working - also drunk.

Are looking for firefighterslooking for police, looking for photographers in our capital.

Here we go near the cemetery - in the cemetery, a beggar stutters.

I see: patrol spotted us from the tower. They sent a boat, and I cleared the topic.

The party is our hope and strength, the party is ours steering.

British scientists proved that ...

Well, after all, there is so much material on the internet ... it's so simple to answer the question: "Who spotted us from the tower" or "Who spotted us from the tower"
The answer is CTO sentinel. answer WHO-Russian
http://kladun.livejournal.com/246260.html
http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/lingvistic/1625/%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%82%D0


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[nils]

What are we arguing about? Noun or adjective?

F.M.Dostoevsky: - “... not Orthodox can not be Russian”
"Without religious faith, a people is no longer a people." “Even a great people, falling into atheism and unbelief, immediately ceases to be a great people and immediately turns into ethnographic material, and not into a great people.”
- “Orthodoxy, that is, the form of confession of Christ, is the beginning of our morality and conscience, and, therefore, of social power, science, everything. ... The Russian people are all in Orthodoxy and in its idea. There is nothing more about him and him - and it’s not necessary, because Orthodoxy is everything ”
- “conscience without God is horror, it can get lost to the most immoral”

Bible: “A state divided in itself will perish”

Ivan the Terrible, in response to a request from the pope “Let the Sovereign Sovereign build Catholic churches in Russia and teach Russian youths”, he answered as it should be to the Sovereign Sovereign, who understood that “a state divided in itself will perish”: “I will not allow heresy on Russia, for you crouched before the Lord, and we stood and will stand, and this is our faith ”

There will be no Orthodoxy in Russia or it will collapse - the state will collapse. Because faith is the last thing that keeps us from decaying completely. Previously, this was the core of the communist idea. But when this pin was pulled out, the state did not collapse. Because the Orthodox faith secretly lived in it - it kept the people from disintegration.
Russia is a mononational country! By world categories: if in society there are more than 60% of one nation, then this is a mononational country.
How will small nations and small faiths react? If they are wise, they will accept it, understanding that Orthodoxy is the core of the state.

N.V. Gogol: “Anyone who wants to truly serve Russia honestly needs to have a lot of love for her, which would have swallowed up all other feelings - you need to become a true Christian in the whole sense of the word.”

WHO ARE WE? Good question.

[nils]

As the modern researcher A.V. Repnikov: “It is no coincidence that European thinkers who turned to the history of Russia sometimes got the impression that the concept of“ Russian ”is identical with the concept of“ Orthodox. ”Everyone is well aware of the words of the great Russian writer Fyodor Dostoevsky that“ to be Russian means to be Orthodox “as well as his conclusion that“ without Christ, a Russian man is rubbish. ”No matter how harsh the last words of the writer may seem at first glance, the history of the twentieth century has clearly shown that they are full of bitter truth.
Repnikov A.V. Conservative views on the reorganization of Russia (late XIX - early XX centuries): Monograph. M., 2006. C. 183-184.

[vovan50]

Being an atheist does not mean living without faith.
But the communist idea was not pulled out, it lives on. For many, it serves as a support and keeps people from decay.

[Analgin]

I am a stubborn supporter of massacre,
Orthodox people should judge everyone,
So that there is no more sin and sorrow
So that angels in the sky over Russia fly.

So that the swallows in the azure sky circled,
So that the rivers flowing full of water,
So that only Russians live in the world,
So that God's icons do not go out of fashion.

(The Ensemble of Christ the Savior and Mother of Earth Cheese, simply could not help snatching from the text )

[Setrac]

Quote: anip

No. The adjective will be "Jewish". So that's it.

It is only in Russian German or, for example, French - nouns, in their native languages ​​they are adjectives (or a subsidized adjective EMNIP), Russians are not unique in spite of the cries of creaks.

[shershen]

As in a joke:
-Are you Jewish?
-Russian
-And I'm American.

[shasherin.pavel]

Quote: shershen

-And I'm American.

What for!

[shasherin.pavel]

Quote: anip

Jewish

Just the same dear! A Jew is "He who is on the way", because there is no such name in the Old Testament "Jew", although some are trying to draw him to Eber, but the trouble is that after compiling the table "Genealogy from Adam to ..." I found that Eber there was no offspring, at least according to the Biblical text. And the word itself first appeared in the book "Exodus" after overcoming the "Chremnago Sea", by the way, not Red, but Beautiful according to the dictionary of Archpriest Dyachenko ed. 1900. There is the name Israel, there is Judas, but the Jew is not. So it would be correct to speak about those living outside Israel - the Jews - "living outside the homeland", and those living in Israel - the Jews, but those who fulfill all the laws of Moses, do not give money in growth, at interest, do not offend nearby believers living in one God, but those who do not believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah are the Zh .ida, to whom Jesus Christ was also referred to during his lifetime. "How can you, an idol, speak with me as a Samaritan woman?"

[Spnsr]

as one Kazakh friend of mine used to say, when our Georgian brothers provoked: "why are they raising their tail at us, mongrels pin.dos.ski.e"
but in general, I never noticed that they were interested in the nation, were interested in "where", but that the nation, somehow, did not notice! And also, I saw the Dagestanis, if it was about nationality, they did not fight among themselves, but they did not let their Dagestanis play pranks in their unit!

[Max_Bauder]

In general, I put a plus for a good thought. I will add from myself.

The peoples of Eurasia, those who lived and live in the vast territories of the former USSR, we are already united in the mentality. Yakut, Buryat, Chuvash, Ingush, Chechen, Kazakh, Russian, Tatars, Bashkirs, Kumyk, can be cut to infinity, all of us, although we differ (and rightly) in our folk customs, but we are all the same compared to the West, Arabs and Southeast Asia, and Africa.

In particular, nomads and Slavs are much closer in spirit, maybe from the time of Russo-Polovtsian relations, maybe from the Mongol Empire when they also lived relatively amicably, in general, it so happened that the neighbors. We never had wars of extermination, and all the hassles I bring to civilian battles, they were not ethnic in nature, but rather everyday.

So that's why Russian and Kazakh are closer. Many Russians live in Kazakhstan, and many Kazakhs in Russia, but not there, nor there, we do not oppress each other. On the contrary, we live as neighbors. It’s a sin to hide with us all in the yard play together and go to schools. For the sake of example, look at how Arabs live in communities in Paris or Nigerian ghettos in the USA when they don’t enter each other.

And we can live together, fight shoulder to shoulder, as in 1941-45. We have a single mentality, for example, I am Kazakh, I write here in Russian and they understand me, We understand each other, even obscenities.

a long time ago on a topic I wrote that if God forbid, they attack Russia, the Kazakhs will never become the fifth column, go faithfully and serve the Motherland to defend it, because they were born there, the same thing, I have no doubt that our Russians will defend our homeland, and most importantly, our common homeland is Eurasia, and I am sure that we will always come to the aid of each other if trouble comes. Because no matter how we are called, I mean our ancestors, we always lived and will live as neighbors, we were born to be allies, allies from God.

[Retarg]

At the same time, the Yakuts consider us Russian occupiers. Anyway, here's an extract from Wikipedia:

Over the years, Vestnik Rossiiskoi Akademii Nauk noted an almost universal oppression of Russians by titular ethnic groups in the former Soviet republics [94] and in some administrative formations of Russia [95], where the grave condition of the Russian ethnic group [96] [97] was also indicated.

In the late 1980s and early 1990s, the so-called “ethnic boom” arose in Russia, which was marked by a surge of xenophobic sentiments and nationalism among representatives of “titular” groups in relation to Russians, which resulted in a number of republics of the North Caucasus, in Yakutia, Bashkiria, Tataria and others discriminated against the "non-titular", mainly the Russian population, and its outflow to other regions [98].

The most visible manifestation of such nationalism was discrimination in appointments in national republics within Russia. Almost everywhere in these regions, the top layer of appointees is made up exclusively of representatives of the titular nation [99] [100]. The same problem arises when entering universities. In a number of national republics, a “radicalization” of the school actually took place with the displacement of the Russian language and teaching in the language of the titular nation. So, in Tatarstan the Tatar language is allocated 6 hours a week, Russian - 4 [100].

In almost every national republic, there is a group of intellectuals who present the entire Russian people “in black colors” [100]. For example, members of the Tatar Public Center (TOC) fought on the side of the Chechen separatists [100]. In 2003, they destroyed the chapel in Naberezhnye Chelny [100]. Local courts tend to justify such actions. With great difficulty, permits for the construction of Orthodox churches and chapels are issued in Tatarstan [100]. In Bashkortostan, priority is given to defending candidate and doctoral dissertations to the Bashkirs [100].

According to experts from the Moscow Bureau of Human Rights, the Russian region with the most developed Russophobia is the North Caucasus and, above all, Chechnya. In 1991-1993 there was a massive “squeezing” of the Russian-speaking population from Chechnya, accompanied by acts of violence [101]. According to the Izvestia newspaper, as a result of ethnic cleansing in Chechnya in 1991-1994, 20 thousand people died and 250 thousand left the republic [102]. In 2005, an initiative group of former Russian residents of Grozny sent an open letter to the Russian president demanding that they officially recognize the fact of mass ethnic cleansing in Chechnya from 1991 to 1994. The authors of the appeal called the Dudaev regime fascist and accused the Russian authorities of trying to hide the fact of genocide [102].

Well, we are all united, but only Russians are somehow aloof

[Papakiko]

Quote: Retarg

At the same time, the Yakuts consider us Russian occupiers.

wept

Quote: Retarg

Anyway, here's an extract from Wikipedia

Wikilix Asange forgot to mention media extracts of geyropa and mattress.

Quote: Retarg

but only Russians aside

Wow, that’s tragic.

[Retarg]

That is, you do not put the RAS in anything?

[prishelec]

/ Retarg / quote: "In Tatarstan, it is very difficult to issue a permit for the construction of Orthodox churches and chapels."

This is because, for example, in the Moscow region, or even in such a hole)) as the Stavropol Territory, they do not give out permission to build a mosque at all .. that's just it!

[Nikolav]

Like O. Mityaev:
"And in Ceylon, an island, or in Mallorca
a Russian will never live with a Tatar. "

[Talgat]

Well said Max_Bauder! Of course, the steppe (and Tatars and Bashkirs and Kazakhs and Tuvans and others) and Russians have always been and will be together - this was always called Eurasia (from the Huns to the Desht and Kipchak and the USSR) It is significant that Kazakhstanis mostly support Russia in this difficult time, although negative relations could prevail due to the strongest information attack of the West and, in general, frankly speaking, the ambiguity of the situation

BISAM conducted a survey on the crash of a Malaysian airliner attitude of Kazakhstanis to the conflict
look interesting
http://tengrinews.kz/article/203/

[Giant thought]

Russian is primarily a person with a soul, the Russian spirit is inherent only to Russians, and those nations and nationalities that have lived together with Russians for a long time have been so saturated with this spirit that some individuals have become more Russian in spirit than Russian in documents.

[Retarg]

Russian is primarily a person with a soul, the Russian spirit is inherent only to Russians,

Only the soul or spirit cannot be measured, not hugged.

and those nations and nationalities that have been living together with the Russians for a long time have been so saturated with this spirit that some individuals have become more Russian in spirit than Russian according to documents.

As a result, these Russian nations do not like to put it mildly, and blame all their failures on them.

[captain]

In Ozhegov’s dictionary there is another definition of this nation.

[Seva]

In a word, Russian is a state of mind.

Well, the author himself answered the question

[Andrey Yuryevich]

if you think in Russian, speak Russian and ready to die for Russia, you are RUSSIAN ... I think so.

[Қarabas]

And does a similar scheme apply to other nations, do you think?
For example: ethnic Russian, but thinks in Afghan (lives in Afghanistan), speaks their language, is ready to die for Afghanistan .. is he Afghan? Or Russian?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: karabas

And does a similar scheme apply to other nations, do you think?

Uv.Karabas, I won’t say for others, I’m Russian!

[Semurg]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

if you think in Russian, speak Russian and ready to die for Russia, you are RUSSIAN ... I think so.

Without claiming to be true, a Russian may be a citizen of the Russian Federation, and then Russian, Kazakh, drill. True, there is one catch we have in Kazakhstan there are Kazakhs who think in Russian, speak Russian and are ready to die for the Russian Federation, who are they? , but who are citizens of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

[Spnsr]

Quote: Seva

In a word, Russian is a state of mind.

Well, the author himself answered the question

I think the question is deeper here, by the way:

it certainly is, to the perspective of comparison!
but, in India, caste still exists! its meaning is that there is a ruling caste, a caste of warriors and workers!
and my grandmother, when I once said that I was Russian, scolded me, we speak the Cossacks, and called the others lapotniki ...
In general, it says to me that not so long ago, if we ignore the history taught at school, then in Russia there was also caste!
By the way, those who are now called Ukrainians used to be Cossacks too! but, if you interpret the story in a slightly different way, not to mention those whom my grandmother called lapotniki, then this Cossacks began to decay, and then there was no ruling caste on them whose moral values ​​would not break their value guidelines in such a way!

by and large, everything is a matter of faith! the story that I was taught at school made me ask a lot of questions and push me away! this does not eliminate all the questions, but this interpretation of the same knowledge leaves them less!
this is to the fact that before there were no national issues, there were Tataravia! that is, the soldiers of Kazan, Astrakhan, Kalmyk, Cossack !!!
maybe of course they did not serve as it is now, mixed up, but even when they had to clash together they did not fight among themselves but defeated the enemy

[insafufa]

But under the name Cossack, different peoples had the most diverse concepts in form and content. Among the Persians, the word Cossack meant people who were in the service, paid by the treasury, in Persian "gas" and hence "gazak". Among the Arabs, the word Cossack meant a horseman who fought for the faith and law of the prophet. In Mongolian, “kazykh” or “Cossack” meant a free warrior living separately in a tent, or, in another concept, armor, a shield and a strong stronghold for border protection, or a military guard.

[Spnsr]

Quote: insafufa

But under the name Cossack, different peoples had the most diverse concepts in form and content. Among the Persians, the word Cossack meant people who were in the service, paid by the treasury, in Persian "gas" and hence "gazak". Among the Arabs, the word Cossack meant a horseman who fought for the faith and law of the prophet. In Mongolian, “kazykh” or “Cossack” meant a free warrior living separately in a tent, or, in another concept, armor, a shield and a strong stronghold for border protection, or a military guard.

but the essence, the essence didn’t change, the Cossack is a free warrior, ready to defend his homeland ... and by the way, we won’t go into details about where this word came from and when ?! but, as a fact, another name for tithing was also used in Russia - Cossack!

[Alibekulu]

Quote: insafufa

But under the name Cossack, different peoples had the most diverse concepts in form and content. Among the Persians, the word Cossack meant people who were in the service, paid by the treasury, in Persian "gas" and hence "gazak". Among the Arabs, the word Cossack meant a horseman who fought for the faith and law of the prophet. In Mongolian, “kazykh” or “Cossack” meant a free warrior living separately in a tent, or, in another concept, armor, a shield and a strong stronghold for border protection, or a military guard.

The ancient Turks of the Turkic Haganate in the XNUMXth century Orkhon-Yenisei written monument discovered by V.V. Radlov have the expression "Kazgak ogly" (meaning: my adopted sons).

[RU-Officer]

We add: the community of spirituality, goals, mentality. And in general - you must have a CONSCIENCE.

[Retarg]

We add: the community of spirituality, goals, mentality. And in general - you must have a CONSCIENCE.

Do Russians and Tatars have the same mentality?
Do Tatars and Dagestanis have the same mentality?

[Hleb]

don’t wait for an answer to this question) they are more likely to admit that the Caucasians and Russians have exactly the same mentality! As evidence, they will bring video of hazing in the army, where Caucasians respect and love their brothers in Russian spirit and mentality ... but no, as they said below PEOPLE!

[Retarg]

Yes, people just don’t understand that erasing their nationality becomes disconnected and vulnerable.

[Bear13]

Undoubtedly, Russian is both a great nation and a state of mind. Only a truly Russian person in the first place care for his neighbor.

[Andrey from Tver]

Quote: Bear13

Only a truly Russian person in the first place care for his neighbor.

Then, it turns out that the Russian government is not a damn Russian. Anyway, in the last 20 years.

[saag]

And what is the question, are you Russian or not Russian? So this is for everyone to determine for himself, and not where he lives.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: saag

And what is the question, are you Russian or not Russian? So this is for everyone to determine for himself, and not where he lives.

And what difference does it make, what nationality is this hero? If Kazakh, then he is not a hero or something?

[saag]

Quote: Vladimirets

And what difference does it make, what nationality is this hero?

Nationality is your roots, historical, cultural and other, and not a sign of a hero or not, if you are painfully embarrassed to talk about who is of what nationality, then you should think about what is the reason for this awkwardness.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: saag

you are painfully embarrassed

Why did it happen?

Quote: saag

talk about who what nationality

I'm just wondering: why in the context of this article?

Quote: saag

it’s worth considering what is the reason for this awkwardness.

I thought it over.

[Retarg]

The article, alas, is a sad propaganda, again an attempt to blur the meaning of the word Russian.

[arkady149]

Let me disagree. Vladimir Lytkin's article is not an essay of a "highly wise" verbiage, but a reflection of a mature, established person who is not indifferent to the fate of the Fatherland, and this is not propaganda, it is a way of thinking and an established system of worldview, close in spirit to the majority of readers of our site.

[Retarg]

article by Vladimir Lytkin is not an essay of a "highly wise" verbiage

So it is, this is an essay of the "wise verbiage"

reflection of a mature person who is not indifferent to the fate of the Fatherland

This mature person doubts his nationality, sinking to "mixed with blood." Tries to deprive 84% of the population of national identity (and then people still wonder why Russians are so disunited). At the same time, a mature person got into linguistics.
I am already silent about the fact that this mature man uses the feat of an officer to prove that his way of thinking is the only true one.

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: saag

And what is the question, are you Russian or not Russian? So this is for everyone to determine for himself, and not where he lives.

I want to give an example. During my time at the sports school of the Sverdlovsk district of Moscow, we had a negro Valera, with a difficult to pronounce surname, but not the essence. Child "Lumumbaria" (Institute of Friendship of Peoples, if someone is not in the subject). Go tell him, he is not Russian! By the way, from those who knew him, it never occurred to anyone!
This is what, as the author of the article wrote very correctly, a person-representative of that nationality, to which he considers himself to be.
Of course, this is mainly a matter of habitat and upbringing. The diasporas living with their enclaves will remain a new nation.
You ask, where are we from, liberal Russophobes appear in our midst? Well, first of all, they are mainly (don’t have to blame me for anything, it's just a statement of fact!) .... and then Chikatilia also appear, and rapists and killers, a malfunction of the genocode, it seems to me! And it doesn’t matter whether Russian or not Russian!
And now, according to Colonel. He is a Hero, period! And what nationality he refers to is his business! And we have something to be proud of, it is in OUR army, in OUR environment such Heroes appear!

[Retarg]

Markers of mitochondrial DNA are determined

[arkady149]

Again I don’t put a minus, but the markers of mitochondrial DNA essentially reflect only metabolic features in accordance with the main food component in a given territory and the prevailing food preferences of any group for many generations and therefore fixed in the genome. There is certainly a connection, but it is not indisputable. A green-colored fruit can also be ripe. Well, you get the point.

[Retarg]

At the same time, one can more or less determine one’s true origin (the place where the ancestors came from). Yes, in addition to mitochondrial DNA, there are a bunch of other markers.

[FACKtoREAL]

PS By the way, why are the names of all the nations of the world a noun, and Russian is the only one whose name is an adjective?

Do not repeat the thesis of the illiterate and the recent dill crawlers!
а bring- here to prove this thesis to us ..
FULL list of peoples and nationalities of our planet and the meaning of names in THEM languages!
So why repeat the enemy's stupidities of others ??!

[DV69]

Quote: FACKtoREAL

PS By the way, why are the names of all the nations of the world a noun, and Russian is the only one whose name is an adjective?

Do not repeat the thesis of the illiterate and the recent dill crawlers!
а bring- here to prove this thesis to us ..
FULL list of peoples and nationalities of our planet and the meaning of names in THEM languages!
So why repeat the enemy's stupidities of others ??!

Here you are wrong. Russian is really an adjective. Previously, the definition of Russian meant citizenship of the Russian Empire and never defined nationality. After the Bolsheviks came to power, the definition of belonging to the country (USSR) became "Soviet man", and in the 90s a new concept was introduced - Russian.
All these concepts mean the same thing, a representative of a people (ethnic group) living in a certain territory. Today we call this territory the Russian Federation.
Therefore, Russian is an adjective.
PS Anecdote to the topic:
Everyone probably remembers (at least many) the first Soviet-American television bridges in the late 80s and early 90s. The presenters were V. Prozner and F. Donahue.
-F. Donahue:
Vladimir, are you a Jew?
-AT. Posner:
What are you Phil, I'm Russian!
-F. Donahue:
Well then, I'm American!

Something like that.

[Retarg]

By the way, and in Polish Russian will be Russian.

[Setrac]

Quote: DV69

You are wrong here. Russian is really an adjective.

An interesting remark, the name of the nations is a noun, the name of the races is an adjective. Light brown (white) race.

[DV69]

Quote: Setrac

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An interesting remark, the name of the nations is a noun, the name of the races is an adjective. Light brown (white) race.

I heard the version. that Race is an abbreviation (Childbirth Asses Country Asses).

[Setrac]

Quote: DV69

I heard the version. that Race is an abbreviation (Childbirth Asses Country Asses).

So it is, initially the word "race" meant exactly the white (blond) race, only then other races began to be denoted by this word. RUS, RAS, RUS, all this is one root.

[FACKtoREAL]

WHERE I DISPUTE ADJECTIVE Meaning of the word RUSSIAN !!! ???
I affirm that we are RUSSIAN, not LONE "adjectives" in this world!

[sso-xnumx]

- "What is this coming out? I am Vasily Krolikov, in fact Izya Shniperson?"

- "Aunt Mom! Were there Russians in our family? -
- And how! On my mother's side, all Russians "

- "My Christ to the Jews? -
- What did you think? Papa Jewish, mother Jewish, will the baby be Russian? -
Vasily Krolikov - Innokenty Shniperson film "Shirley-myrli"

[FACKtoREAL]

Negroes (from negrito, pl. negritos - Spanish diminutive of the word negro - "the black", "Negro") - a group of dark-skinned and relatively undersized peoples living in tropical forests
ADJECTIVE number ONCE!

[DV69]

Quote: FACKtoREAL

Negroes (from negrito, pl. negritos - Spanish diminutive of the word negro - "the black", "Negro") - a group of dark-skinned and relatively undersized peoples living in tropical forests
ADJECTIVE number ONCE!

Excuse me. did not understand your post correctly. Well, what are we arguing about?

[wanderer]

------ RUSSIA AND RUSSIAN the same thing, these two concepts are inseparable and do not depend on the place of residence ... this is at the genetic level .... and each of these words attached to another word. As I understand it. Ok.

[DV69]

Quote: wanderer

------ RUSSIA AND RUSSIAN the same thing, these two concepts are inseparable and do not depend on the place of residence ... this is at the genetic level .... and each of these words attached to another word. As I understand it. Ok.

Two concepts - Rus and Rusich.

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

Did you forget the word Rusich? The Russian in this case shows belonging to the country, just like an American ...... and there are many nationalities in our countries and in the states, in the same America are American Chinese, Russians, and Latinos ......

[muginov2015]

I read something interesting somewhere. There was Kiev and Russes inhabited it, from here - Russes Kiev (Russian)

[KBR109]

Ros is a river. Right tributary of the Dnieper. The current Vinnitsa and Kiev regions. Living in its basin, dew (Russ). The main population of ancient Kiev is the tribes of the association of glades.

[goose]

Correctly. Austrians invented Ukrainians in the middle of the 19th century.

[anip]

But all the same, what nationality Serik Sultangabiev is. If this is so important, he is a Kazakh. Dot. Most importantly, he is a real person, and not what nationality he is.

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

Yes sir! Shoigu, Wasserman and other odds will be given to many ethnically Russians in terms of Russianness!

[Retarg]

I won’t say anything about Wasserman, but Shoigu, then a mestizo, then his mother is Russian.

[Agat]

It seems to me that the Russians are a community of peoples united by one territory, one goal and one story. Peoples that have assimilated with each other throughout their history.
I agree with that! I would also add Russian as a unifying language.

[anatolijbel]

PS By the way, why are the names of all the nations of the world a noun, and Russian is the only one whose name is an adjective?

RUSSIAN - not which, but who.

[arkady149]

"Russian" means a Russian person. In the first place is the MAN, and only then the Russian and the arrogant pride of the place of birth and the cut of the eyes is alien to us. We really have something and someone to be proud of, including such heroes as Serik Sultangabiev.

[Setrac]

Quote: arkady149

"Russian" means a Russian person.

Well, like, if a noun, then it’s not a person at all, a new kind, a mutant - German, French, Japanese. Only we humans, Aryans ..... Somewhere I already heard it!

[arkady149]

Well, I’ll drive to s.rach, while there’s an hour,

Quote: Setrac

Well, type, if the noun

But I’ll tell you for the native Russian language, learn and it will be happy for you and maybe even prosperity. As for the comments, one must operate with meanings, and not find fault with expressing them. My regards.

[Roman1970]

Well, yes, I’m Russian ... And you know ... Maybe this is not right, but for some reason, when I communicate with Europeans, I subconsciously treat them like children. I am amazed by their naivety, pleasing spontaneity, sometimes annoying stupidity (but this is rare). But the general message is a kind of condescension ... Not arrogance, but condescension ...

[yegor_k]

It `s naturally. So parents relate to their children. In Europe, they forgot who they are and where they came from.

[mazhnikof.Niko]

Quote: Roman1970

But the general message is a kind of condescension ... Not arrogance, but condescension ...

Here is the answer. Russian is ... WORLDVIEW and, as a result - WORLDVIEW.

[Retarg]

You're just arrogant, that's all. Personally, I treat both Europeans and white Americans as equals, because in the first place we are with these people at the same level of civilization, and in the second we are all Europeans. Russia is Europe.

[mazhnikof.Niko]

Quote: Retarg

You're just arrogant, that's all

Not right, for an indulgent attitude towards CHILDREN is not arrogance.

Quote: Retarg

. Personally, I treat both Europeans and white Americans as equals,

This statement can be easily attributed to racist. Why did you highlight the skin color of the Americans?
You need to reconsider your attitude towards humanity.

[Retarg]

Not right, for an indulgent attitude towards CHILDREN is not arrogance.

Your arrogance is that you consider mature nations, mature countries, children.

This statement can be easily attributed to racist. Why did you highlight the skin color of the Americans?
You need to reconsider your attitude towards humanity.

It doesn’t matter, I’m a racist and I don’t hide it (all people are racists, some just hide it, and some forbid it).

[mazhnikof.Niko]

Quote: Retarg

It doesn’t matter, I’m a racist and I don’t hide it (all people are racists, some just hide it, and some forbid it).

Clear. Everything is much more neglected.

[Retarg]

Do not lie to yourself that you are a man of the world, in fact, you are just as wary of those who differ from you in anything, especially their skin color or eye shape. And you even hate some. You are simply afraid to admit it.

[Styx]

Well, actually, the Russians also had a noun, but ... It seems that it has already developed into a mentality of communication and community, at least for about 200 years we have been making our history COMMUNICATED. So to speak, with all our motley crowd :) were they Kazakh, Yakut, Rusich, Karelian, they lived in one country and she lived with each of our sneezes :)

[Board375]

M. Karim "I am not Russian, but a Russian" - a work with a theme. I advise everyone to "meganatsi"

[tomket]

Actually the whole argument comes down to a game of terms. For example, a Frenchman, for us he is not divided into different ethnic groups. And yet, who is he? Gall, franc, or maybe ligur? The same thing with the British and the Germans, and so on and so forth.

[Sergey Sitnikov]

we are a beacon of conscience and honor among earthlings, we are the apogee of the development of homo-sapiens, we are the most beautiful people, we are a reference and a vivid illustration in order to explain: people? who is it?

[arkady149]

Do you mind the prospect of a pretentious slide to "exclusiveness" as happened with the Germans in the last century and with the Americans now?

[Gardamir]

Russian is one who lives in Russia. At first, one drunkard renamed our Motherland to Russia, and after almost three hundred years, another drunkard Russian called Russians. And you get used to it. Even ethnic Russians, having forgotten their culture, traditions, language, call themselves Russians.

[Hleb]

Russian is the one who lives in Russia

Well, then who are those who live, for example, in the same Kazakhstan? Are they not Russian?
Yes, even in Africa ...

[Gardamir]

I think so. that you understood everything normally. Russian is everywhere Russian. But who is a Russian, I do not understand. If, after 50 years, the next reformer wants to call my homeland Rasha, then no one will be against being called a rashanin?

[Hleb]

Yes, how can I understand. If you write, no-YOU APPROVE

Russian is the one who lives in Russia

Why dodge, if you can admit mistakes and the obvious. Here is a discussion, not a game, where you can lose a million for the wrong answer.
ahhh, sorry, I forgot about the cons (

[Alex_Popovson]

Let me know what kind of "drunk" was 300 years old?

[Hleb]

it seems to be about Peter1, but the author of the comment is not aware that during Peter's time the use of "Russian" began

[Mikhail m]

Russian is someone who is willing to work for Russia and defend it from the enemy. Nationality does not matter.

[vorobey]

Volodya hi ... I never climbed so deep ...

In short, Russian is the soul ... if the soul is attached to the body, it means a Russian man ...

My wife recently started picking this topic ... Varangian Rus, Normans and more. shoveled a bunch of books while studying the Rurikovich and the Romanovs ... and said here that it’s better not to touch the Russian theme - you will break your brains ..

[Boris55]

Quote: major071

By the way, why are the names of all the peoples of the world a noun, and the only Russian whose name is an adjective?

If you remember in the old Soviet films about the war the Germans called us - RUS.

Russian with two "C" is wrong. Vladimir Dal argued that it is wrong to write "Russian" with two "s", and wrote with one (Russian language, Russian people, Russian land ...). In the annals there is also one "s" - Russian, Russian.

Where did the second "C" come from? In his dictionary, Dal explains that in the old days they used to write "Russian" with one "s" - Pravda Russian; only Poland called us Rosay. Rosayans, Rosai, according to the Latin spelling, but we adopted this, transferred it to our Cyrillic alphabet and write in Russian!

According to the rules of Latin spelling, if the letter "C" is one, then it reads like [3], and if there are two "SS", then it reads [C]. In Russian, the letter "C" is always read [C] and is doubled very rarely, for example: quarrel, lend.

Russian or Russian. "Why double consonants, when it is contrary to our language, and with good pronunciation, it cannot be heard" - V.I. Dahl.

[Max otto]

What happened is gone. It is still fashionable for us to adopt everything imported, signs in all cities in 90% in Latin, buzzwords - merchandiser, volunteer, manager, etc. etc. It is necessary to deal with this, but for now I am guided by the officially approved rules of the Russian language, to the extent of awareness (as they were able to teach, in short )

[yegor_k]

The book of S.T. Alekseev find, called "Russia: We and the World" on the same topic, and after reading everything falls into place.

[Styx]

thanks for the recommendation, I’ll read, if only in the net

[saag]

Quote: Mikhail M

Russian is one who lives in Russia.

Why are you saying this, moreover, unequivocally and unconditionally, so I don’t live in Russia (I wonder what you mean by that?), And I’m Russian, I have it in my official passport document that certifies this, but do you have it? Does the state of your residence confirm that you are Russian, or is it simply written citizenship - Russian?

[Sasha75]

Yes, the author kept silent minus, he found when he talked about a person in a hospital in a serious condition, and his act is of nationality, what nonsense it’s pure to cut something that’s not painful, fear GOD is ashamed of others on the branch, and you are like them.

[Averias]

Well, the question was asked by the author. And what, in fact, doubts then? After all, Russian is not an entry in a passport, not an affiliation. If I, in my soul, thoughts, actions, are similar to those of my ancestors, I am Russian. If from the word Rus - awe and pride seizes me, I am Russian. When, to the contemptuous from the "civilized" Europeans - this is Rusish, I proudly answer - yes I am Russian (and then the color of idiomatic expressions on the topic of where to go and where to turn ) When I am proud (despite all the hardships) of my country - I am Russian. Of course it sounds like patriotic slogans - but in fact it is.

[saag]

Quote: Averias

After all, Russian is not an entry in the passport, not an affiliation.

Belonging to a certain ethnic group, you should not take such a superficial attitude to it, and the entry in the passport is the attitude of the state towards you, it allows you to indicate whether or not to belong to a certain ethnic group, if not ask yourself why this is so.

[Averias]

Quote: saag

Quote: Averias

After all, Russian is not an entry in the passport, not an affiliation.

Belonging to a certain ethnic group, you should not take such a superficial attitude to it, and the entry in the passport is the attitude of the state towards you, it allows you to indicate whether or not to belong to a certain ethnic group, if not ask yourself why this is so.

No, that you. I'm not superficial, not at all. Simply, it is such a topic that you can talk a lot and still not find the right words. Yes, and wrote from the tablet while traveling on the bus. In a fit so to speak this minute.

[Retarg]

To erase nationality, of course. In order to form mythical "Russians" following the example of the Soviet Union (Soviet people). But in the USSR it was not so tough.

[dr.star75]

Yesterday, the news broadcast that he was in serious condition, a speedy recovery to the Hero. I hope the doctors will do everything impossible for his recovery.

[shishakova]

Thanks to the author!
I read at VO - my nationality is Man. True, the main thing is to be a Man.
However, each country has its own face - traditions, lifestyle, in general, the style of behavior.
When I was in Turkey, I was asked by an Armenian salesman in a handicraft jewelry store - how do I feel about Armenians?
- You know, when I come to any Country, it seems to me that at that time I have the nationality of this Country (temporarily). It is easy for a person to enter the role (temporarily adapt) to traditions that are unusual for himself.
But in our hearts we remain patriots of Russia, and nationality has little to do with patriotism.

[Hleb]

okay, nationality? -Man!
it’s as if Ethiopians or Chinese are not people. But really, why self-determination, why look for the difference between peoples, why remember the roots and glory of the ancestors ... man and all!
some hell

[vassa]

Any nation is formed by culture.
What difference does it make what nationality a person is by origin. By the way, due to numerous wars over millions of years, you are unlikely to find a nation without admixtures of "blood of a different kind", except for those who lived separately, well, for example, the Chukchi or the Japanese ... or the Indians (and then a question!) If a person is closer to that culture, then the environment in which he lives, then he is a representative of this nation that has developed over centuries. This is nationality !!!!!!. By the way, Ukrainians, who were born and all their life those who have lived in Russia hardly have a Ukrainian mentality.

[Retarg]

Hmm, you don’t know ordinary biology? Blood is mixed, yeah. right now. Usually through the generation there is a splitting of signs, i.e. If the grandfather was not Russian, the grandmother was Russian, the father was a mixture, if the mother is Russian, then the child will be either Russian or not Russian.

[Terminolol]

A.V. Suvorov
A Russian is distinguished by faith, fidelity and reason. All Europe will vainly move to Russia: it will find Thermopylae, Leonid and its coffin there.

[Sergey Sitnikov]

))) Fu damn it - I do not want to find or see my coffin at all))), it is clearly not my problem and purchase!

[Terminolol]

I think, for the sake of such a goal, it’s possible for everyone to chop off the ruble. Two per coffin for the USA!

[Hleb]

for many, this comment is inconvenient) after all, Suvorov is the Great commander, and he said "Russian"

[Terminolol]

Otto von Bismarck
Do not hope that once using the weakness of Russia, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on the Jesuit agreements that you have signed, supposedly justifying you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it’s worth playing with the Russians honestly or not at all. [42]

[Hleb]

Otto von Bismarck

Petrosyan

[Terminolol]

No need to be so categorical. Actually said by a man who left his mark in the history of not only his empire, but the whole world.
Better express your opinion as opposed to saying what you disagree with. A troll big mind is not necessary.

[Hleb]

I do not agree with what he said. At least verbatim. If you prove to me his authorship, I will apologize to all Russian people)

[Terminolol]

Excerpt from Otto Bismarck's book "Thoughts and Memories".

[Hleb]

I asked for evidence? you show me the cover. I could just lay it out and say that in this book Bismarck talked about aliens.
give a specific text? page? I can even give you a link, where where you will look for this page
http://militera.lib.ru/memo/german/bismarck_o01/index.html

[Hleb]

like this you can bring

[Terminolol]

Here's more about Russia:
Reich Chancellor Prince von Bismarck to Vienna Ambassador to Prince Henry VII Reuss
Confidentially
349 No. Confidential (Secret) Berlin 03.05.1888 Year

After receiving the expected report for 217 from 28 last month, Count Kalnoki has raided doubts that the officers of the General Staff, who had supposed the war would start in the fall, may still be wrong.
One could argue on this topic if such a war would possibly lead to such consequences that Russia, in the words of Count Kalnoki, "will be defeated." However, such a development of events, even with brilliant victories, is unlikely.
Even the most successful outcome of the war will never lead to the collapse of Russia, which is supported by millions of Russian believers of the Greek faith.
These latter, even if they are subsequently corroded by international treaties, will reunite with each other just as quickly as disconnected droplets of mercury find this path to each other.
It is an indestructible State of the Russian nation, strong in its climate, in its spaces and in its unpretentiousness, as well as through its awareness of the need for constant protection of its borders. This State, even after complete defeat, will remain our product, seeking revenge by the enemy, as we have in the case of today's France in the West. This would create a situation of constant tension for the future, which we will be forced to assume if Russia decides to attack us or Austria. But I am not ready to assume this responsibility, and to be the initiator of our creation of a similar situation.
We have an already failed example of the "Destruction" of a nation by three strong opponents, a much weaker Poland. This destruction failed for as long as 100 years.
The vitality of the Russian nation will be no less; we will, in my opinion, be more successful if we simply treat them as an existing constant danger against which we can create and contain protective barriers. But we can never eliminate the very existence of this danger ..
In the attack on today's Russia, we will only strengthen its desire for unity; waiting for the fact that Russia will attack us can lead to the fact that we will wait before its internal collapse before it attacks us, and moreover, we can wait for this, the less we will by means of threats, prevent it from slipping into a dead end.
f. Bismarck.

[Hleb]

Well, why is this here? It has nothing to do with the first quote. Moreover, these points have been taken apart for a long time.
but nowhere is there what you wrote in the first comment. I can throw more

about this by the way here and I already wrote
Even the most successful outcome of the war will never lead to the collapse of Russia, which is supported by millions of Russian believers of the Greek faith.

where did you copy your first comment from? ... [42]

[Terminolol]

As you guessed, I’m not going to prove anything, I don’t think it is necessary, in fact, like your opinion, I’m not very interested. If you think that someone owes you something, you are mistaken. Actually, I was hurt by your attitude to the above, I will not compare your talent for writing with the talent of Bismarck, since this is empty.

[Hleb]

skillfully jumped! beautifully left!
By the way, "Petrosyan" was humor (in the sense that these words can be attributed to him), not trolling. But trolling is when pseudo-quotes of famous people appear on the site every day, statements attributed to them.

[Terminolol]

The Europeans have forgotten the ancestral covenants ... have become obese.

[bastasguf90]

never did our ancestors share in principle, the four peoples of the khariyts, d'arians, races and svyatoruss, only differed in their eyes, this is relative to us, Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Scots, Icelanders, Czechs, Poles, Serbs, Finns, Swedes, Syrians, Macedonians, Germans and many others, about how much they have invented ... as for the whole of humanity, there are only six divisions I know, white, yellow, red, black, gray and Tsegane (these are (tse) ways of spiritual development (ga - runa) not having (not)), that is, mixed ... and never when our ancestors did not consider that someone is worse than others, each nation is individual, and this must be preserved, but it is stupid to conflict on racial or ethnic grounds, we after all, we do not choose who will be born, do we?

[Bronik]

I don’t know exactly how much and what kind of blood the evolution has stirred in me, I know about 5. I consider myself Russian, I live in Russia, served Russia, I’m ready to tear throats for Russia. While lying in one trench, there are Russian, Georgian, Jewish, and Kazakh and the Armenian were ready to give their lives for each other, for some reason no one thought about the nation of the comrade. You do not need to divide people into the first and second grades and everything will be right.

[Retarg]

Instead of honoring the injured person who has fulfilled his duty, the author uses this person to promote multinationality. This is a vile and low author.

By the way, the author, arguing about the purity of the race, do not forget about the scoop, and do not forget to die to know what your brain is in.

By the way, train the mat.chast, typical Russian features:
The proportion of light and medium shades of hair and eyes is increased, the proportion of dark is reduced;
Reduced growth of eyebrows and beard;
Moderate face width;
The prevalence of medium horizontal profile and medium-high nose;
A smaller slope of the forehead and a weaker development of the eyebrow.

And if you master it, here's a genetic study of the Russians.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707000250

[Neighbor]

Is Kazakh really bad? Especially a good man, a real officer and a citizen of Russia.

[SHOCK.]

That's what A.I. Denikin said on this occasion, and I agree with him.

[Abbra]

This colonel, God forbid, to recover. In general, I believe that we are all Russians. And Tatars, Russians, Kazakhs are already the tenth thing.

[Abbra]

We are all Russians ...

[bunta]

Maybe the concept of "ethnos" is difficult to understand, but only ethnography provides a clear division of peoples not according to
language, and according to the stereotype of behavior. By how a person will behave in a particular situation, we can determine who he is - Russian or European. When an officer covers himself with a grenade to save a soldier or a soldier with his body closes the commander from a bullet, this is a sign of Russian behavior. No matter what blood and what color flows in his veins and what language his ancestors spoke.

[Retarg]

This is a sign of a good officer in charge of his subordinates.

[bunta]

Quote: Retarg

This is a sign of a good officer in charge of his subordinates.

This is the reasoning of a German officer. The division into "good" and "bad" is accepted in the Western mentality. Starting from "good Indian - dead Indian". In the Russian mentality, there is no good-bad division. There is a division "ours - not ours". The term "our man" is inherent only in Russian communication and is determined precisely by how a person acts in a given situation.

[Retarg]

Will you tell me, Russian, about our mentality?

Distinguish flies from cutlets and do not slide into zadornovshchina.

The term "our man" is in any language and means the same as in Russian.

[Hleb]

albeit a little, but tex touches on this topic too, because such questions still arise


Who are we, whose world is not always simple?
Who are you, blinded by tears?
Who are you burnt loving?
Who are you, forgetting yourself?

[Signaller]

I read reviews. How many words are good and not very. But if you look at the essence of the question why ??? There is an answer known to all of you. This is the text of the oath
MILITARY Oath *
I, (surname, name, patronymic) solemnly swear allegiance to my homeland -
Russian Federation.
I swear to sacredly observe its Constitution and laws, strictly comply with the requirements
military manuals, orders of commanders and commanders.
I swear to fulfill military duty with dignity, courageously defend freedom,
independence and constitutional system of Russia, people and the Fatherland.
-------------------------
* Approved by the law of the Russian Federation "On Military Duty and Military Service" of 11
February 1993 of the year.
In principle, any man serving or serving in the army gave this. From here and the answer to all questions-WHY. Well, then the mentality, nationality and more. Personal opinion.

[Igarr]

Well, as much as possible .... different smart sources.
"... Russian ..." is a special type of noun that fits with adjectives.
Sentinel, steering, sexual - these are all definitions of a MAN. Professions, you could say.
Based on this, a very simple conclusion is obtained - Russian is not a nationality. This is a set of qualities.
If hunting is strong, then it can be considered a nationality.
Europe, and the whole world, is rightly doing it when they don’t bother with determining their affiliation - from Russia, Russian means. Even though his eyes are like a knife’s blade, an epicanthus, like a penguin’s (a joke), etc. and so forth
Our territory is such a country that everything here is Russian. And by belonging to culture, they determine a nation, for themselves.

[parafoiler]

Quote: shershen

As in a joke:
-Are you Jewish?
-Russian
-And I'm American.

This, by the way, is not a joke, but a quote from a dialogue between US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and political observer of the USSR Valentin Zorin. It wasn’t worth it. This is a diplomatic classic that you need to know about.

[Signature]

The author is sincerely grateful for the delicate choice of the topic and its even more subtle interpretation (apparently, Japanese roots, nevertheless, take "their own" - if we mean the classical wisdom of the East)! ..
In fact, the concept of a nation (nationality / national, etc. - with all derivatives, or derivatives, as "people of science" put it) was literally sculpted and promulgated at the end of two centuries - the 18th and 19th. It was in Germany (by German enthusiasts - supporters of the romanticism that was triumphant then not only in art, but even in the philosophy of romanticism). And, by the way, this concept arose as a framework frame (contextual / semantic "bed") for the very - well-known to everyone from the bitter 1940s - idea of ​​German - national-German - exclusivity.
And does the genesis of the term not reveal in this case quite unambiguously that the idea of ​​"nation / national ... etc.) is also expensive (often to those who are forced to fight it, and without any anticipatory intent), - that is, no less "expensive" than, for example, the idea of ​​German National Socialism or cutting-edge bandit nonsense?

[ISKANDER25]

Hello! Be proud that: YOU-RUSSIAN!

[3vs]

You can probably write a doctoral dissertation on this subject.

Russians, but why not.
Our proverb is that "the Russians will not help out in a fight, they will win the war!"
And this has its own truth.
Pre-Christian freedom-loving, steppe expanses and vast forests formed
"a broad Russian soul".
Orthodoxy ennobled violent temper, probably all this together made it possible
become the Russian Empire from the Baltic to the Pacific Ocean, Alaska and Fort Ross!
Personally, I have some kind of opinion about some peoples expressed in one word:
Germans - Ordnung order;
Americans are mani, that is money;
Jews - profit;
Russians are justice.
It may be too rude, but this is my opinion.
That's what is lacking in the Russian character, not everyone, of course, is
German composure and order and the Jewish thirst for knowledge.
In the Chinese it is, but there is no Russian breadth of soul.
Something like this, but what do you think?

[goose]

Among the Germans, the ordnung came only in the 19th century.

[Dragon-y]

A good phrase was in one of the films: "I am not a Negro, I am an Afro-Russian! .."

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

PS By the way, why are the names of all the nations of the world a noun, and Russian is the only one whose name is an adjective?

"In the era of the Russian Empire, the meaning of the word" Russian "significantly differed from its modern use. It covered all Eastern Slavs - the descendants of historical Russia"
this is under the Communists, the concept of Russian narrowed to only one component-the Great Russians
In addition, in the Russian language there is also such a concept as Substantiation

[Chills]

This version of the origin of the word "Russian" seems to me the most adequate. Rus was originally called not the state itself "Rus", but the prince's squad. The prince was the embodiment of the state at that time. So lands (with people, of course) to which the power of the prince and his retinue were extended were "Russian". According to analyzes of early written sources, the word was born in the area of ​​modern Novgorod. Those. "Russian" - referring to Russia. At the time of the emergence of Russia, the land was inhabited mainly by Slavs. So in centuries the nation "Russian" was born, and the majority of Slavic peoples became the base.

Z.Y. I got acquainted with this version about 5 years ago, so without calculations and links to sources.

[Mama_Cholli]

Interesting topic. I personally am of the opinion that Russian is a state of mind.
Many ethnic Russians are not essentially such Russims, because in their minds (I wanted to write in my soul) there is only a desire to live well and, if possible, further from Russia. The desire to do more good for the homeland and its people (no matter what nationality, but living in Russia and for Russia) can be welcomed, but only if you do not consciously alienate yourself from Russia. For example, if you have the opportunity to leave for permanent residence in the USA and you are implementing it, then in fact you are no longer Russian. If you go to the USA not for yourself, but in the interests of your country (Russia) and later you are going to return, then you are Russian. If you take your children abroad for permanent residence - you are not Russian, because the connection between your children and the Motherland will be completely lost in the next generation.

In general, all ethnic Russians who emigrated abroad and live there - in fact, they are no longer Russian, whatever they say. Most likely they are already people of the world, but not Russian. Russian-speaking - yes, but not Russian ...

[Roman 1977]

I don’t know, I consider myself Russian, although it’s mixed with blood, father, half Russian half Mordvin, Ukrainian mother, was born in the Komi Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, well, who am I ... In my opinion:
- Russian is the one who loves Russia and serves it. Blood issues are secondary.
- The Russian Federation and Russia are NOT the same! The Russian Federation arose in most of Russia about 20 years ago during the operation to destroy the USSR.
- The main and only purpose of existence, announced to the residents of the Russian Federation - MONEY! No other goal, policy, idea and / or ideology ... A different question - for different people - different money: for some it is a way of daily survival (not letting you think about the future), for others, the exploitation of the whole country, people and a pass to the "golden billion "(although not everyone will be given!)
- Liberalism is an inhuman doctrine, which actually leads to the introduction of social Darwinism and the primacy of animal existence, i.e. to the degradation of human civilization, hiding behind loud populist slogans about "freedom" and "equal rights". RF is close to the highest stage of liberalism, with all the hallmarks: man is wolf to man; everything for sale; complete lack of spirituality
- The West perceives the territory of the former. The USSR as a Russian heritage, for which there is a sluggish (yet!) Struggle. A part of the "legacy" can be used by him as a "payoff" for the gaining strength of the Islamic world and China (if China is not stopped by the West earlier, as envisaged by the plan).
- The West is ONE, led by the United States and it cannot be split by something like gas supplies or joint missile defense. The main reason for the economic problems of the West in recent times is "relaxation" after the collapse of the USSR, as the only real alternative. This, of course, does not cancel out the irreconcilable contradictions of capitalism.
- The foundation of US power and, in general, is the financial system. The rest of the countries live by foreign (western) rules. This power is actively supported around the world with an armed hand and covert operations.
- Refusal of the Soviet heritage - experience in building a society of social justice and the study of errors - a crime against humanity
- In the USSR (1937-91) there was only ONE objective flaw - stagnation in ideology, all others were subjective.
- The Council of Deputies and the USSR of the 1917-37 of the year are the base and fuel for the world revolution, with the 1937-38 it has acquired the features of Russia. In fact, in 1937-38, the Russian national revolution took place in Russia - weak, unfinished (interrupted by the Second World War) and poorly supported from below.
- The creation of Russia as a national-ethnic Russian state (such as the 19 century) is impossible. But the extinction of the Russians puts the world on the brink of disaster, depriving it of its only hope for a brighter future.
- The basis for preserving Russia today and the basis for its revival tomorrow is the defense industry and the Armed Forces (primarily the strategic nuclear forces).
- Little Russia and Belarus are integral parts of Russia, but reuniting with them at this stage is not practical because of the political situation in the Russian Federation, so they are given time / opportunity to work out / test the economic and social forms of development of the Russian people.
- The revival of Russia is possible only on the basis of an ideology built on social justice and under the leadership of a mass organization built on this ideology. Ideology should be supranational, not yet formulated clearly yet, the Russian idea should be and is such.
- T.N. "bourgeois democracy" is based on deception at all levels and at any time, but local self-government can become the basis for revival.
- Russia and the Russian people have a reserve of time until about 2020, after which an independent determination of their own future will become almost impossible.
- There is NO place for objectivity in the world - “ours” are always closer and more expensive than “others”. You just need to include a system of double standards in your tactics and use it effectively.

[IS-80]

Quote: Novel 1977

- There is NO place for objectivity in the world - “ours” are always closer and more expensive than “others”. You just need to include a system of double standards in your tactics and use it effectively.

With this, you immediately crossed out all the good that you said earlier.

[Retarg]

Well, always, no matter how you want the friendship of peoples, your own will be much closer and with your friendship stronger than with strangers. And only Russians are refused to be one people, one friendly nation.

[Johnny51]

An interesting question was raised by the Major ... I completely agree with A.I. Denikin in who can consider himself Russian. I myself will say this: "Russian is not so much a nationality as a state of mind." And what, in addition, is from the evil one ...

[ghbvfrjd]

Russian means Orthodox. Orthodox Christians cannot help but love Russia. After all, Moscow is the third Rome, and there will never be a fourth.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: ghbvfrjd

Russian means Orthodox

that is, you deny everything before baptism?
But what about those who were not Orthodox but died for Russia?

[Cenij150814]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

But what about those who were not Orthodox but died for Russia?

To be a Tatar, Chuvash, etc., I will tell you a secret in Russia (the name of a certain territory on the globe, not permanent) there are more than 180 nationalities living in addition to RUSSIAN I don’t understand the speculation over this word, I believe that nationality cannot be privatized (hereditary), a person who claims to be someone else’s while giving up what is truly his own is certainly not RUSSIAN!!

[Cenij150814]

And if I’m a Slav and I love my land, no matter what it’s called (Russia, USSR, or even Moscow), but not Orthodox I am not russian??

[frost1979]

Gentlemen, the term “nationality” firmly came into circulation at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century, and firmly settled after the introduction of column 5 in the passport of a citizen of the USSR. Before this, nationality did not play any role, the basis was religion (Orthodox / non-Orthodox). Russians are a way of thinking, life, way of life. It is clear that these were the machinations of the Anglo-Saxons - our liberals of the 19th and 20th centuries, and then the narrow-minded communists, quickly picked up this stupidity. In a multinational country, this turned out to be a convenient (for the time being) way of governing according to the “divide and conquer” principle.
From an interview with Medinsky:

“In conclusion, the official told a historical anecdote that happened to a guest from France, Marquis Astolphe de Custine, who visited Russia to study the country and found himself at the emperor’s ball. The inquisitive visitor asked the autocrat about the visitors to the ball who came in a variety of bright costumes, and every time it turned out, that these are representatives of non-Russian peoples, including, in particular, Finns, Poles, and Jews.

“Where are the Russians?” - the perplexed guest finally asked.
“And all together these are my Russians,” answered the emperor."

[Aydar]

author, before pouring shit on the fan and fanning discord, it’s better to cover the grenade with your body, maybe they’ll write about you.
Learn to recognize and respect, first of all, not nationality, but the right of any people to have their own culture, language, customs - this is what the signs of nationality consist of and not the adjective or noun word “Russian”.
In general, the author makes a nasty impression, against the backdrop of the heroic act of the Russian Kazakh Colonel Sultangabiev. And the author must ask himself the question “who are we?” the hero of this article knows the answer to the question “who is he” from birth.

[IS-80]

Quote: Aydar

author, before pouring shit on the fan and fanning discord, it’s better to cover the grenade with your body, maybe they’ll write about you.
Learn to recognize and respect, first of all, not nationality, but the right of any people to have their own culture, language, customs - this is what the signs of nationality consist of and not the adjective or noun word “Russian”.
In general, the author makes a nasty impression, against the backdrop of the heroic act of the Russian Kazakh Colonel Sultangabiev. And the author must ask himself the question “who are we?” the hero of this article knows the answer to the question “who is he” from birth.

Reader, before making waves at the author, try to read what the author wrote not diagonally. And also try to understand him. And not to invent something with your dull brain of a Kazakh nationalist flawed in his arrogance and then vigorously fight it. And there is nothing to say on behalf of people who did not give you the right to do this. Because it is doubtful that you personally know the colonel. If you want to be a Kazakh, be it. Nobody can take that away from you.

[Aydar]

Quote: ghbvfrjd

Russian means Orthodox. Orthodox Christians cannot help but love Russia. After all, Moscow is the third Rome, and there will never be a fourth.

Does non-Orthodox mean non-Russian? You should be able to decide as quickly as possible here on the site who should be considered Russian and who should not. If the colonel is “Russian,” then in your opinion is he also Orthodox? Maybe his name is not Serik, but for example Feofan? You would be “Russians” to first define yourself before labeling others as “Russians”.

[IS-80]

Quote: Aydar

You would be “Russians” to first define yourself before labeling others as “Russians”.

And by what criteria are racially loyal Kazakhs calculated? :) You're really hooked.

[Afblgh]

belonging to the Mongoloid race

[Boris55]

The most complete understanding of the term “nation” in terms of the composition of the considered features was revealed by I.V. Stalin:

　“...A nation is not racial or tribal, but a historically established community of people. (...) ... a nation is not a random or ephemeral conglomerate, but a stable community of people. But not every stable community creates a nation. (...)

　How does a national community differ from a state community? ... by the fact that a national community is unthinkable without a common language, while for a state a common language is not necessary. (...) We are, of course, talking about popular spoken languages, and not about official clerical ones.

　So - a common language, as one of the characteristic features of a nation. (…) A common language for every nation, but not necessarily different languages ​​for different nations! (...)

　A nation is formed only as a result of long-term and regular communication, as a result of people living together from generation to generation. And long-term life together is impossible without a common territory. (...)

　So, common territory is one of the characteristic features of a nation. But that is not all. Community of territory in itself does not give rise to a nation. This requires, in addition, an internal economic connection that unites individual parts of the nation into one whole. (...)

　So, community of economic life, economic connectivity, as one of the characteristic features of a nation.

　But that's not all. In addition to all that has been said, one must also take into account the peculiarities of the spiritual appearance of the people united in a nation. (...) ...the mental makeup itself, or as it is otherwise called - “national character”, is something elusive for the observer, but since it is expressed in the uniqueness of the culture, the common nation, it is perceptible and cannot be ignored. (...)

　So, a common mental makeup, reflected in a common culture, is one of the characteristic features of a nation. (...)
　
A nation is a historically established stable community of people that arose on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life and mental makeup, manifested in a common culture. (...)

　Only the presence of all the signs taken together gives us a nation" — “Marxism and the national question” (Ist. 52, pp. 292 - 297 with exceptions).

[screw cutter]

Code of honor for a Russian officer during the Russian Empire (1904) 1. Do not promise if you are not sure that you will fulfill your promise. 2. Conduct yourself simply, with dignity, without foppishness. 3. It is necessary to remember the boundary where dignified politeness ends and servility begins. 4. Do not write rash letters and reports in the heat of the moment. 5. Be less frank - you will regret it. Remember: my tongue is my enemy! 6. Don’t play around - you can’t prove your valor, but you will compromise yourself. 7. Don’t rush to get on friendly terms with a person you haven’t gotten to know enough.
8. Avoid money accounts with friends. Money always spoils relationships. 9. Do not take personally offensive remarks, witticisms, or ridicule said after you, which often happens on the streets and in public places. Be above it. Leave - you won’t lose, but you’ll get rid of the scandal. 10. If you can’t say anything good about someone, then refrain from saying anything bad, even if you know. 11. Don’t neglect anyone’s advice—listen. The right to follow it or not will remain yours. Knowing how to take good advice from another is no less an art than giving good advice to yourself. 12. An officer’s strength does not lie in impulses, but in unshakable calm. 13. Take care of the reputation of the woman who has trusted you, no matter who she is. 14. There are situations in life when you need to silence your heart and live with your mind.
15. A secret that you tell to at least one person ceases to be a secret. 16. Always be alert and don’t let yourself go. 17. Try to keep your words soft and your arguments firm in a dispute. Try not to annoy your opponent, but to convince him. 18. It is not customary for officers to dance at public masquerades. 19. When speaking, avoid gesticulation and do not raise your voice. 20. If you enter a society in whose midst there is a person with whom you are in a quarrel, then, when greeting everyone, it is customary to shake hands with him, of course, if this cannot be avoided without drawing the attention of those present or the hosts. Giving a hand does not give rise to unnecessary conversations, and does not oblige you to anything. 21. Nothing teaches you more than realizing your mistake. This is one of the main means of self-education. Only those who do nothing make no mistakes. 22. When two people quarrel, both are always to blame. 23. Authority is acquired by knowledge of business and service. It is important that your subordinates respect you, not fear you. Where there is fear, there is no love, but there is hidden ill will or hatred. 24. There is nothing worse than indecision. A worse decision is better than hesitation or inaction. You can't get back a lost moment. 25. The one who fears nothing is more powerful than the one whom everyone fears.

[Abbra]

Quote: ghbvfrjd

Russian means Orthodox. Orthodox Christians cannot help but love Russia. After all, Moscow is the third Rome, and there will never be a fourth.

Sorry, but you are a narrow-minded person. A Russian is a Buddhist, a Muslim, and an Orthodox Christian. If he realizes all this Great Space as his own, his family.
I don’t know about you, but I lived during the Soviet era in both Bashkiria and Kazakhstan. And I never wondered who my friends were by nationality. pulling the thread of Orthodoxy is pulling the trip wire. Our enemies are just waiting for this. If there is an explosion, we will all lie down next to each other.

[Svetovod]

1) There are many people on Earth.
2) There are many species among people - White/yellow/red/black. By the way, for some reason all non-white people have the same hair color - black. But it does not occur among whites.
3) Each species is recruited from different BREEDS - a breed is a rough rank based on the nature of a person’s guts - from the mob to the nobility, in Rus' it was like this:
SMERS / PEOPLE / WARRIORS / LIGHTS (kings) / MAGI (super-dupers to whom the kings listened).
Nothing has changed - who are you in life? what breed is Russian? Russian drunk or Russian huckster or Russian warrior? - in any nation, as in ours, there is enough abomination - drug addicts / drunks / whores / and other scum. And he grabs the Warriors - one of whom is a colonel.

So what is this topic about - about species or about breeds? THE TOPIC HAS BEEN CLOSED.

[secondoy]

Quote: Aydar

Quote: ghbvfrjd

Russian means Orthodox. Orthodox Christians cannot help but love Russia. After all, Moscow is the third Rome, and there will never be a fourth.

Does non-Orthodox mean non-Russian? You should be able to decide as quickly as possible here on the site who should be considered Russian and who should not. If the colonel is “Russian,” then in your opinion is he also Orthodox? Maybe his name is not Serik, but for example Feofan? You would be “Russians” to first define yourself before labeling others as “Russians”.

Can a non-Orthodox person be Russian? Yes, of course, there are hundreds of them around, why argue with the obvious?
But what about smearing others as “Russians”? I hope you got excited? tea is not a known substance to “smear” on someone. Let's be respectful to each other, please don't turn the forum into a trash heap!

[APS]

...Yes, here they are, Russian characters! It seems like a simple man, but he will come
severe misfortune, in big or small, and great power rises in it -
human beauty.

Tolstoy A.N.
FROM "STORIES OF IVAN SUDAREV" RUSSIAN CHARACTER

[Aydar]

tea is not a known substance to “smear” on someone.
And if I write to you “smear the world”, will that make you feel better? Tea is such a “substance” as myrrh is known to you, you narrow-minded little man? I answered you overcoming my own laziness, since there is no desire to argue about which “substance” is nobler or whether “Russian” refers to a noun or adjective.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

your answer is off topic and rude

[Roman75]

From the comments it is clear that a Russian is someone who, having met (real or virtually, at the computer) with another similar subject, immediately begins to wage an existential war on metaphysical topics: the meaning of life, self-identification of the individual and the nation, worship of God and the overthrow of deities , the anthropic principle in cosmology. Foreigners are more down to earth. They are only talking about the objective and material. And about grandmothers. Cave people.

[secondoy]

Quote: Aydar

tea is not a known substance to “smear” on someone.
And if I write to you “smear the world”, will that make you feel better? Tea is such a “substance” as myrrh is known to you, you narrow-minded little man? I answered you overcoming my own laziness, since there is no desire to argue about which “substance” is nobler or whether “Russian” refers to a noun or adjective.

Listen, my friend, you’re just a brawler, as I see it, phrases like “narrow-minded little man” are worthy communication between husbands in your opinion? And yes, I know what myrrh is, so you wanted to check the degree of my education?)) But your laziness is your own business. I focus on what exactly a person says and in what tone, so I actually gave you a minus for one statement and a plus for another.

[tokens2]

Whether someone likes it or not...Russian is a state of the “body”, that is, a nation.
The Lord created everyone different. So that this difference would be visible between peoples.
Does anyone want to build the Tower of Babel again? The outcome will be the same.
Different does not mean good or bad.
But there is something that unites peoples into a kind of community. Community is often confused with phantom definitions of nationality.

[Alfizik]

“So maybe the concept of Russian is determined by the territory of its residence?”
"I think it's a mentality and a state of mind."

A question of questions. To answer it, we must first of all determine the origin of humanity. Did Adam exist, or is it... a legend? We look at the root... of any vegetable. Let's say Brussels sprouts. Did she appear on Earth before the founding of Brussels?
Of course, it’s a matter of territory and mentality. There was Rus', there were Russians, and regardless of who went (got) from Rus' to other countries, everyone was called Russian. But for some reason a Russian had to call himself that way... when meeting foreigners! Which one? But this is a message to that same notorious Adam. Who was he? But this is already about the origin of life on Earth. I wrote one of the books about this (2012).
Very often we are called cattle, unwashed Russia... But real trousers, according to excavations, existed on our territory 20 years ago, and the Gayropians (is that why) galloped at that time without panties, “arousing the attention of the ladies.” From time immemorial, Russians built latrines and baths, while, for example, French or German “excellencies” until the 000th century shitted in night vases, not knowing about toilets, and never washed, acquiring wonderful skills in catching fleas.

[Aydar]

Quote: vtoroy

Quote: Aydar

tea is not a known substance to “smear” on someone.
And if I write to you “smear the world”, will that make you feel better? Tea is such a “substance” as myrrh is known to you, you narrow-minded little man? I answered you overcoming my own laziness, since there is no desire to argue about which “substance” is nobler or whether “Russian” refers to a noun or adjective.

Listen, my friend, you’re just a brawler, as I see it, phrases like “narrow-minded little man” are worthy communication between husbands in your opinion? And yes, I know what myrrh is, so you wanted to check the degree of my education?)) But your laziness is your own business. I focus on what exactly a person says and in what tone, so I actually gave you a minus for one statement and a plus for another.

Dear, if you want to conduct a discussion in a civilized manner, then you don’t need to cling to words and, with a sly squint like “hey, I caught you,” take you by the button and present grievances “for substance.” speak to the point, if you have something to say, I’m always happy to answer an intelligent question, and arguments like pre-menopausal ladies on the topic “he said the wrong thing”, “he looked the wrong way”, to be honest, do not evoke any other emotions in me other than irony and contempt .

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aydar

Dear, if you want to have a discussion in a civilized manner

Quote: Aydar

I answered you overcoming my own laziness, since there is no desire to argue about which “substance” is nobler or whether “Russian” refers to a noun or adjective.

Don't you find any dissonance?

[secondoy]

Quote: Aydar

Quote: vtoroy

Quote: Aydar

tea is not a known substance to “smear” on someone.
And if I write to you “smear the world”, will that make you feel better? Tea is such a “substance” as myrrh is known to you, you narrow-minded little man? I answered you overcoming my own laziness, since there is no desire to argue about which “substance” is nobler or whether “Russian” refers to a noun or adjective.

Listen, my friend, you’re just a brawler, as I see it, phrases like “narrow-minded little man” are worthy communication between husbands in your opinion? And yes, I know what myrrh is, so you wanted to check the degree of my education?)) But your laziness is your own business. I focus on what exactly a person says and in what tone, so I actually gave you a minus for one statement and a plus for another.

Dear, if you want to conduct a discussion in a civilized manner, then you don’t need to cling to words and, with a sly squint like “hey, I caught you,” take you by the button and present grievances “for substance.” speak to the point, if you have something to say, I’m always happy to answer an intelligent question, and arguments like pre-menopausal ladies on the topic “he said the wrong thing”, “he looked the wrong way”, to be honest, do not evoke any other emotions in me other than irony and contempt .

Yes, I essentially spoke out, no offense, whatever. Yes, your statement about smearing the “Russians” was jarring, because... I thought that it had a derogatory connotation, and naturally I didn’t like that you told an unfamiliar interlocutor that he was a “close-minded little man.” And when you speak to the point, without emotions, such an interlocutor is only welcome. This is exactly what I wanted to convey to you

[RAE8]

Quote: Retarg

At the same time, the Yakuts consider us Russian occupiers. Anyway, here's an extract from Wikipedia:

Over the years, Vestnik Rossiiskoi Akademii Nauk noted an almost universal oppression of Russians by titular ethnic groups in the former Soviet republics [94] and in some administrative formations of Russia [95], where the grave condition of the Russian ethnic group [96] [97] was also indicated.

Here we have the result of the national policy of the communists, when a nation that had conquered and created a huge empire became second-class on its own territory. This lasted for decades and now we are reaping the result, just like the drift of some Russians towards full-blown nationalism, this is natural. But Russians have always been and are the most nationally tolerant, and it is unlikely that anyone will deny this. And this internal quality of the Russian person is the basis for the Russian world that is now being recreated with its mentality, worldview and attitude towards the environment.

[Neighbor]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

In general, all ethnic Russians who emigrated abroad and live there are essentially no longer Russian, no matter what they say. Most likely they are already people of the world, but not Russians. Russian-speaking, yes, but not Russian...

Plus I absolutely agree.

[Aydar]

Quote: Neighbor

Quote: Mama_Cholli

In general, all ethnic Russians who emigrated abroad and live there are essentially no longer Russian, no matter what they say. Most likely they are already people of the world, but not Russians. Russian-speaking, yes, but not Russian...

Plus I absolutely agree.

you are very categorical in your opinion, most likely to convince you that the “Russian-speaking” people who came to Russia and live there are all “Russian”? probably doesn't make any sense? Because according to this logic, you should be consistent and consider “Russians” not only the Kazakh colonel, but also the Tajik Ravshan and the Uzbek janitor Khismatulla?
Or are the last two still unable to sit in the same carriage with the Russians because “they didn’t make faces” and “they didn’t cover the grenades with their bodies”?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aydar

you are very categorical in your opinion, most likely to convince you that the “Russian-speaking” people who came to Russia and live there are all “Russian”?

Bagration Russian general or Georgian?
Pushkin, Kolchak, Wrangel, ...

[Hleb]

and Ramzan Kadyrov is a Russian political figure? Ruslan Aushev? Berl Lazar (chief rabbi of the Russian Federation) Russian preacher?
Minnikhanov, Khamitov...? -maybe after all, Russian political figures

[secondoy]

Dear Aidar, after all, you are probably not objective. Did someone write that someone didn’t show his face and if he didn’t cover the grenade with his body, he was supposedly not worthy? Have you encountered any manifestation of nationalism in Russia?
A commander who saved his soldier from death at the cost of serious damage to his health (God grant that he survives and continues to serve!) is a hero, but he is Russian or a Tatar, or a black man of advanced years - what's the difference?
As for the fact that when a Russian leaves the country he immediately becomes non-Russian, for example, I don’t agree; you never know what motives there could be for leaving. Another thing is that even when living in the country, some people do not consider themselves citizens of this country, they say they are ashamed... Hmm... it’s everyone’s choice, if a person consciously renounces his roots, what can you do?

[Aydar]

Have you encountered any manifestation of nationalism in Russia?
Do you want to say that there is no such problem as nationalism in Russia? Apparently the general assertion that the Kazakh colonel “is also Russian,” as well as the speeches of Zhirinovsky and other authoritative figures, including Putin, on “national issues” and the Russian question have nothing to do with nationalism? Or they can because they are “Onezherussian”.
But he’s Russian or Tatar, or an elderly black man - what’s the difference? That’s what I mean, only I’m more consistent and fair, and therefore I propose to also call Ravshan, Dzhamshut and Khismatullo, who work every day for the benefit of the Russians, sweeping streets and building houses, Russians. Why are they worse? and if necessary, they too can perform heroic deeds in order to join the ranks of the “Orthodox noble Russians from Hyperborea.”

[Aydar]

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Quote: Aydar

you are very categorical in your opinion, most likely to convince you that the “Russian-speaking” people who came to Russia and live there are all “Russian”?

Bagration Russian general or Georgian?
Pushkin, Kolchak, Wrangel, ...

Let it be known to you that Bagration is first of all a Georgian prince from the Bagrationi family and only then a general of the Russian army (and not a “Russian general”).
Pushkin’s story is different, but I give you a discount because you apparently do not differentiate between poets, military men and admirals. Well, as for the other “Kolchak, Wrangel”, there is such a thing as “Russified” or “crossed over”.

[IS-80]

Quote: Aydar

Let it be known to you that Bagration is first of all a Georgian prince from the Bagrationi family and only then a general of the Russian army (and not a “Russian general”).

It must be so interesting. Did he himself delegate to you the authority to determine who he is first and who he is second?

[secondoy]

Quote: Aydar

Have you encountered any manifestation of nationalism in Russia?
Do you want to say that there is no such problem as nationalism in Russia? Apparently the general assertion that the Kazakh colonel “is also Russian,” as well as the speeches of Zhirinovsky and other authoritative figures, including Putin, on “national issues” and the Russian question have nothing to do with nationalism? Or they can because they are “Onezherussian”.
But he’s Russian or Tatar, or an elderly black man - what’s the difference? That’s what I mean, only I’m more consistent and fair, and therefore I propose to also call Ravshan, Dzhamshut and Khismatullo, who work every day for the benefit of the Russians, sweeping streets and building houses, Russians. Why are they worse? and if necessary, they too can perform heroic deeds in order to join the ranks of the “Orthodox noble Russians from Hyperborea.”

You have some kind of thing about “noble Russians”...Where did you hear enough of this nonsense about Hyperborea, did you hear this from me personally? For me, if Ravshan wants to call himself Russian, then that’s his own business. He speaks Russian, feels that he belongs to Russian culture, and most importantly wants to be Russian (although it’s hard for me to imagine) - so let him. Likewise, many who considered themselves Russian from birth suddenly discovered their German roots and left for permanent residence in Germany, what’s criminal about this? I know one black man, he was born in Russia, he feels 100% Russian, and everyone who knows him does not dispute this... Nowadays, black Russians are no longer uncommon

[Aydar]

You have some kind of thing about “noble Russians”...Where did you hear enough of this nonsense about Hyperborea, did you hear this from me personally?
I haven’t heard from you personally, I’ve read from others, it may surprise you, but not specifically on this site. There are such weirdos who like to look for “Russianness” in swastikas, Sanskrit, Hyperborean and even in Egypt - I admit, sometimes I am shocked, although I have sometimes listened to much more entertaining versions. There is no fad, there is a simple human curiosity about where all this pomposity and exaggerated sense of involvement in everything Hyperborean come from? So far no one has satisfied him, but I am a persistent person and until I find an knowledgeable person who will reveal all the secrets, I will not calm down.
For me, if Ravshan wants to call himself Russian, then that’s his own business. He speaks Russian, feels that he belongs to Russian culture, and most importantly wants to be Russian (although it’s hard for me to imagine) - so let him - so I’m not talking about whether Ravshan wants to consider himself Russian or not, but I’m talking about whether you consider Ravshan Russian if for you the Kazakh colonel is “Russian”? This is the meaning of my question.
...Nowadays, black Russians are no longer uncommon - they are not uncommon since the time of the Arab Hannibal, but do you think it’s normal if Russians are not only black, but also narrow-eyed (please note that the “Russian colonel” in the photo has a completely non-Russian eye shape), and black-haired?

[Cenij150814]

Keep Ravshanov for yourself, regarding fads, what is your nationality anyway, if you are Kazakh and you don’t like something, you don’t need to meddle in someone else’s monastery, it does not concern you, regarding “Russian” blacks, “a fly in the ointment spoils the ointment” and it’s not me, not you it's not their fault, about Russian Colonel and his heroism, I would not so unequivocally declare that there is a set of measures in order to avoid such incidents written in blood, knowing firsthand the carelessness in the army..., I repeat, everything is not clear!

[Aydar]

Quote: shasherin.pavel

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"German

And German freedom comes from the word "dumb" that is, it does not speak Russian, later it began to refer to all merchants of foreign origin, and apparently through the fact that the Germans were most of all transferred to German merchants, like German merchants. This word comes from the native Russian "mute", and does not exist in the "German" language.

Most likely, you don’t even know German, because you would know that the self-name of the people of Deutsch or the country of Deutschland comes from the German word deutlich - that is, “understandable, distinct.” So the Germans, in German, are not even Germans at all, but “clear talkers”, “understanders” - that is, people who speak clearly and clearly.
is das klar fur Sie oder soll ich noch etwas erklaren?

[secondoy]

Quote: Aydar

You have some kind of thing about “noble Russians”...Where did you hear enough of this nonsense about Hyperborea, did you hear this from me personally?
I haven’t heard from you personally, I’ve read from others, it may surprise you, but not specifically on this site. There are such weirdos who like to look for “Russianness” in swastikas, Sanskrit, Hyperborean and even in Egypt - I admit, sometimes I am shocked, although I have sometimes listened to much more entertaining versions. There is no fad, there is a simple human curiosity about where all this pomposity and exaggerated sense of involvement in everything Hyperborean come from? So far no one has satisfied him, but I am a persistent person and until I find an knowledgeable person who will reveal all the secrets, I will not calm down.
For me, if Ravshan wants to call himself Russian, then that’s his own business. He speaks Russian, feels that he belongs to Russian culture, and most importantly wants to be Russian (although it’s hard for me to imagine) - so let him - so I’m not talking about whether Ravshan wants to consider himself Russian or not, but I’m talking about whether you consider Ravshan Russian if for you the Kazakh colonel is “Russian”? This is the meaning of my question.
...Nowadays, black Russians are no longer uncommon - they are not uncommon since the time of the Arab Hannibal, but do you think it’s normal if Russians are not only black, but also narrow-eyed (please note that the “Russian colonel” in the photo has a completely non-Russian eye shape), and black-haired?

Yes, the Kazakh colonel is not Russian for me, why are you distorting again? There are plenty of narrow-eyed Russians! there are three of them in the room next to me, so what?) Black-haired Russians - yes, there are almost a third of them, who was counting? A few months ago, one casual acquaintance (Russian) realized that he was an Indian, changed his first and last name, do you think someone started treating him worse because of this? It didn’t happen at all... I actually already lost the thread of your reasoning. And as for a knowledgeable person and Hyperboreanism - well, look, maybe you will find one, I personally am not at all interested in this question. I was born in the USSR, and I assume you were too; in my understanding, no one has canceled the friendship of peoples. And if someone doesn’t want to be friends, then no one is forced.

[special]

Bullshit, not an article ...

[Aldo]

. I am a Kazakh, I identify myself as Kazakhs. I speak Kazakh and understand Russian. I treat Russians normally, without hostility. However, when Russians shout nationalist slogans, this naturally causes hostility among all other peoples. Every self-respecting person respects and loves his nation, all nationalists who incite hatred must always remember this! This is where some people admire Zhirinovsky. But he’s a real fascist! How can you admire and support him? Ladies and gentlemen, remember, we will support you in difficult times, if you are attacked we will come to the rescue, do not alienate other peoples with your nationalistic speeches! Russia is strong, but if times of weakening come, it will be able to hold out only by relying on the friendship of all the peoples inhabiting it.

[Cenij150814]

Quote: Aldo

a self-respecting person respects and loves his nation

What is it called, if not nationalism or you, dear sir, are confusing concepts with, for example, NAZISM, a real nationalist does not admire Eidelstein (Zhiriky), especially a Nazi because he is a Jew! I smiled about the help, no, of course, thanks for the mischief, but we’d better rely on the army and navy!

[secondoy]

Dear Aldo, I read all your latest comments, in different topics. When you write here that you have no hostility towards Russians, are you not being disingenuous?

[Aldo]

No, I'm not lying. I have a normal attitude towards Russians. but not to the nationalists.

[tokens2]

Who are we?

Russians, Russians.

Take everything and divide it.

Sharikov Polygraph Polygraphovich.

[secondoy]

Quote: Aldo

No, I'm not lying. I have a normal attitude towards Russians. but not to the nationalists.

I just had a different opinion based on several of your posts. In any case, thanks for the answer

[Aldo]

My pleasure. Here in Kazakhstan, after Zhirik’s last speech, people are really starting to be very wary of the Russian Federation, some even develop hostility. The Russian Federation must remember that the United States will certainly try to take advantage of these fascist speeches by Zhirik. They always hit places like this. And if the Russian Federation has no real plans to attack its ally Kazakhstan, the Russian authorities must respond to his speeches and calm him down.

[Cenij150814]

Quote: Aldo

The Russian Federation must respond to his speeches and calm him down

We got scared!! Why, when my relatives fled from Kazakhstan, I did not hear such reasonable words!

[Hleb]

What border did the relatives flee across? Polish? Finnish? Romanian? Must be an expensive pleasure

[Cenij150814]

Yes, I see, my friend, based on recent events, the “lid” has gone everywhere benders seem to be

[Hleb]

What can you see? Grinding your tongue is your destiny.
I myself was born and raised in Kazakhstan, and publish stories about the flight of relatives to your children, and not here, where grown-ups gather). Here, 30 percent of those who write and read either live or have lived there.
and for example, look up the statistics on how many fled to the West from Russia, for example, in the 90s, and how many are fleeing today. Maybe it will come to light that the reasons for emigration are broader.
dragged Bender to bed, go already

[Cenij150814]

I understood that you were born and raised there from the third word, maybe because the point was missing (you forgot); publish ; I don’t know about you, but for us the argument “adult guys” makes us laugh;percent 30 Do you work at VTsIOM? ,how many escaped in the 90s..., well, what can I say, similar to adult guys ; Bender dragged in I apologize, after all, your geography is a bit bad, well, it’s not your fault because we know that you were born... or I understood correctly that you meant Ukraine, although Finland has nothing to do with it ; went to bed. I almost forgot, a relative most likely cheated, and three acquaintances too, what bastards!

[Zymran]

Quote: Cenij150814

I almost forgot, a relative most likely cheated, and three acquaintances too, what bastards!

Well, they just hate Kazakhs. Russian emigrants from Kazakhstan. However, not only emigrants.

[Aldo]

Thank you brother, it’s people like you that keep our friendship together. And our task is to preserve and strengthen it despite the actions of some provocateurs and dissatisfied people who have been and will always be.

[Aldo]

no one ran from anyone. Russians live in all regions of Kazakhstan and I will surprise you even in the south))). In general, there are 0,5 million Russians in Almaty; if it were bad for them, they would have left long ago, since they generally live very well (wealthy). There is no need to create hysteria, we are not oppressing anyone. As for those who left, the reason is as banal as in the Russian Federation - the economic situation. Here, especially in the northern regions, the standard of living is lower than in the Russian Federation, which is why they leave for the Russian Federation. Kazakhs also leave there, but mostly to Almaty or Astana.
I agree that there may be individual manifestations of aggression, but these are isolated cases; if they had complained to the right people, they would have put everyone in their place.
PS
We have banned parties and political organizations with national and religious slogans, everything is nipped in the bud.

[Cenij150814]

I’m reading your comment and I get a feeling of déjà vu, where have I heard this before, but in (in) Ukraine, no one seems to be oppressed there either, and the Russians themselves say this, but the facts, but no, for some reason they are melting away, and again your word against mine, I don’t know what to do! We don't harass anyone I have nothing to say here, most likely not oppressionyou are, I was talking about the 90s.

[Alibekulu]

Quote: Cenij150814

but facts?..I have nothing to say here, most likely you are not oppressing me, I was talking about the 90s.

Where exactly and when were your relatives oppressed?! Then we can discuss.
For me, it’s another “Yaroslavna’s cry” - “Everything, everything that I acquired through back-breaking labor, is still lost! 3 tape recorders, 3 foreign film cameras, 3 domestic cigarette cases, a suede jacket - three jackets.”

[Aldo]

in the current troubled times, when the nerves of all the peoples of the neighboring countries are exposed, Zhirinovsky’s words that after Ukraine it will be Kazakhstan’s turn are not very conducive to the friendship of peoples. Alliance is not built on humiliation, alliance is built on mutual respect.

[Zymran]

This is a foundation for the future. The situation in North Kazakhstan or East Kazakhstan can easily be ignited using zombification through the media and social networks. What can we say if more than half of our population thinks that FOSHS are in power in Ukraine.

[IS-80]

Quote: Zymran

What can we say if more than half of our population thinks that FOSHS are in power in Ukraine.

Things are even worse there. There are people in power who don’t care about anything except power and money.

[secondoy]

Quote: Aldo

My pleasure. Here in Kazakhstan, after Zhirik’s last speech, people are really starting to be very wary of the Russian Federation, some even develop hostility. The Russian Federation must remember that the United States will certainly try to take advantage of these fascist speeches by Zhirik. They always hit places like this. And if the Russian Federation has no real plans to attack its ally Kazakhstan, the Russian authorities must respond to his speeches and calm him down.

You understand what’s going on, he’s of course an official person, but everyone still knows that he’s a buffoon...although he probably voices the interests of certain influence groups. (by the way, an interesting point, but some people who met him spoke of him as a calm and reasonable person, but only until the television cameras appeared in direct view, there is something to think about, right?). So this is nothing more than rhetoric at the level of “we will wash our boots in the Indian Ocean,” and he seems to be not Russian by nationality, right?) I also didn’t find it very pleasant to read some of your statements, and that they say civilization is coming to us only Peter 1 brought it, and that the USSR allegedly carried out the genocide of the Kazakhs, but I won’t argue with you, because... Nothing can change your conviction...

[Aldo]

When your nation is insulted, you involuntarily get involved in disputes. But this does not mean that I have a bad attitude towards Russians. As for genocide, this question is open; it has not yet been recognized by anyone, although there is evidence. But again, the Russians are not to blame for this, the politicians who were at the helm then are to blame.

[Aydar]

Quote: Cenij150814

Keep Ravshanov for yourself, regarding fads, what is your nationality anyway, if you are Kazakh and you don’t like something, you don’t need to meddle in someone else’s monastery, it does not concern you, regarding “Russian” blacks, “a fly in the ointment spoils the ointment” and it’s not me, not you it's not their fault, about Russian Colonel and his heroism, I would not so unequivocally declare that there is a set of measures in order to avoid such incidents written in blood, knowing firsthand the carelessness in the army..., I repeat, everything is not clear!

Did I ask you anything personally? If they don’t ask you, then why are you interfering in someone else’s conversation, like a pig in its own trough?

[Cenij150814]

Uh, no comrade, it turns out you have the wrong resource, alas and oh, this is not an intimate conversation for KazКwhoa!

[Aydar]

Why don’t you, “disrespected non-comrade,” not like the fact that the Kazakhs are discussing the heroic deed of a Kazakh officer? Do you have a monopoly on the site?

[Aydar]

And in general, you will indicate topics for “intimate conversations” to your wife, I’m sure she will appreciate them.