Sergey Chemezov: AK-12 can still be part of the equipment "soldier of the future"

The head of the state-owned corporation Rostec, Sergey Chemezov, stated that the AK-12, manufactured by the Kalashnikov concern, can still be included in the Ratnik outfit.

“We talked with representatives of the Ministry of Defense today - there is no final decision yet. For two months the competition is not closed. We hope that our AK-12 machine gun will win, ”RIA quotes him. "News".

The composition of the Russian military equipment "Warrior" includes effective protective kits, modern small arms, communications and intelligence - only about 10 different subsystems.

Along with combat functionality, it provides effective protection for fighters against a variety of damaging factors in combat conditions. Included "Warrior" about 50 elements, including the aiming system, small weapon, electronic communications, targeting and navigation.

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[Magic archer]

Who will tell you why the disk store ???

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Magic Archer

Who will tell you why the disk store ???

One of the modifications, there are horns to it. There are more rounds in this.

And does anyone know, besides AK 12, what else is involved in the competition?

[phakic]

Competitor AEK-971

[edeligor]

Quote: phake

Competitor AEK-971

Can I reference this model?

[phakic]

Link
http://www.google.ru/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved
=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fru.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%25D0%2590%25D0%2595%25D0%
259A-971&ei=YSAhVKzKF6O6ygO294K4Bw&usg=AFQjCNHg3Yg8jx4HhdyNDakkBrv-Tegu6w&sig2=g
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[Per se.]

Quote: phake

AEK-971

The photo is clickable.

[crazyrom]

Is there really a gun better than Kalash?

[crazyrom]

Is there really a gun better than Kalash?

[Sid.74]

Quote: phake

Can I reference this model?

http://topwar.ru/3363-aek-971.html с ВО статья.

[Sid.74]

In September of the 2013 of the year, it became known that the AK-12, which was previously supposed to be used for arming the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation as an element of the combat complex of the Ratnik equipment, was initially not allowed, and then allowed to go to state tests of modern small arms only if it was funded by the concern Kalashnikov ". The automatic machine A-545 was ahead of him on the basis of AEK-971 produced by the Degtyarev Plant. To eliminate the comments concern “Kalashnikov” was given one month. Live broadcast Vesti FM commented on the deputy chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense, a member of the United Russia faction, Franz Klintsevich.

At the 22 of June 2014 of the year, automatic weapons for Ratnik equipment were tested by automatic weapons of two manufacturers: AK-12 of the Kalashnikov concern and A-545 of the Degtyarev Kovrov plant, Oleg Bochkarev, deputy chairman of the Military-Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation.

“Usually we go for one sample. In the process of preliminary tests, we were convinced that both that and that automatic machine turned out. Now the important moment for manufacturers and for the military is to choose the single type of weapon that will be in Russia, ”the representative of the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian News Service explained.

AEK-971 is made according to the traditional layout scheme (the front position of the store) and constructively repeats the Kalashnikov assault rifle - a rotary shutter and automatic reloading system based on a gas engine are used, which is driven by powder gases discharged through a gas pipe above the barrel. The machine is designed for cartridges with the caliber 5,45 × 39 mm, there are also variants of this machine for the cartridge 5,56 mm NATO (AEK-972) and 7,62 × 39 mm (AEK-973). For food, standard stores from AK-74 (indexes 6Л20 and 6Л23) or AKM are used, depending on the caliber.

The automation scheme has been reworked to eliminate one of the shortcomings of the Kalashnikov assault rifle - the insufficient accuracy of automatic fire, the reason for which is shaking the machine from moving the bolt group when reloading each cartridge in the process of firing. For this purpose, AEK-971 implements a scheme with balanced automation based on a gas engine (a similar scheme was used in later AK-107 and AK-108 machines). A balancer corresponding to the mass of the bolt group has been added to the automation unit.

[Kibalchish]

As for me, the AK-12, AEK-971 is not a competitor!

[b0bi]

I’ll clarify, this is not a modification of the machine, here you can attach any store suitable for AK. Maybe 30, maybe 60 rounds, or like here - disk.

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And does anyone know, besides AK 12, what else is involved in the competition?

AEK-971 from Kovrov

[Dezinto]

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[subbtin.725]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And does anyone know, besides AK 12, what else is involved in the competition?

[jjj]

By the way, about the new form "with Velcro". A practical test last summer of the waterproof jacket showed that it really wards off mosquitoes and midges. Resource up to 50 washes. But you sweat a lot in it. As soon as you take off your jacket, insects immediately appear and begin to bite. A complete set of uniforms with all the bells and whistles costs 40 thousand. But after three years it must be taken. I wonder how this applies to conscripts serving a year. Will someone wear them for them?

[psiho117]

yes, he lies and does not blush. 2500m range at SVD ... "Paddle" is now made under the KPVT-shny cartridge, or have I missed something in nanotechnology?

[RUSS]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And does anyone know, besides AK 12, what else is involved in the competition?

Rather, he "participated", it seems like at the first stage they "wrapped up" a conventional AK with a body kit, it is not needed for a "warrior".

[phakic]

Just an option ... There are also stores for 30 and 60 rounds.

[edeligor]

One of the options for picking, more cartridges.

[maxxdesign]

apparently because there are 2-3 times more rounds of ammunition

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: maxxdesign

apparently because there are 2-3 times more rounds of ammunition

95

[avt]

Quote: Magic Archer

Who will tell you why the disk store ???

Campaign for advertising show-offs was attached from the PKK.

Quote: phake

Competitor AEK-971

It’s a good assembly, but the mechanics are bigger there - it’s embarrassing, I like Gryazev’s bun so much -A-91M on the basis of which the ADF was made, but it’s probably not pulling for a full replacement, it’s more like AKSU, For tankmen, flyers, and others for whom it is not basic and who needs a shortened, powerful trunk.

[Giant thought]

If the AK-12 meets all the requirements for the alleged weapon of the "Warrior", then the green light for him without any delay.

[RUSS]

Quote: Giant thought

If the AK-12 meets all the requirements for the alleged weapon of the "Warrior", then the green light for him without any delay.

Kalash will be "stretched" for a warrior, because it is cheaper and easier to operate for motorized riflemen, for AEK or Abakan specialists.

[Grenader]

Quote: Thought Giant

If the AK-12 meets all the requirements for the alleged weapon of the "Warrior", then the green light for him without any delay.

This test will show. At AEK God forbid the accuracy.

[cdrt]

Did the "production workers" put the squeeze on?

[vjhbc]

assault option for short-range combat in the city, for example

Quote: Magic Archer

Who will tell you why the disk store ???

[goose]

This is an assault option because. And grenade launcher therefore. The closest analogy is a shotgun.
Here, reliability is not as important as the ability to continuously discharge a lot of rounds.

[Vladimirets]

They'll smuggle the AK-12 through, I think. The ZiD does not have such an image weight as the Kalashnikov, and the ZiD also has something to do besides the machine gun.

[igor1981]

And what caliber is 5.45 or 7.62?

[b0bi]

There are different options: 5,45 × 39 mm, 5,56 × 45 mm NATO, 6,5 × 39 mm Grendel, 7,62 × 39 mm, 7,62 × 51 mm NATO.
For our army, 5.45 will go. Apparently from 7.62 they refused seriously and for a long time back in Soviet times in 1974.

[PROXOR]

That's the question.
And why the militia so hard looking for 7,62? Maybe all the same, in vain ours refused him. Without arguably, due to the power of the cartridge, the accuracy of shooting drops very much. / But there are times when you need primarily firepower, and not accuracy. I think it’s time for us to think about a cartridge that will occupy a niche between 5,45 and 7,62.

[Krsk]

There are more rounds

[edeligor]

I am interested in weight characteristics. What materials? The trigger mechanism looks heavy and interesting, have you moved away from the old scheme?

[chunga-changa]

The circuit is almost old with no big changes. Introduced shutter lag, controls can be on either side. The flame arrester is made of a smaller diameter, the handle and latch of the store are slightly moved, plus body kits, plus a slightly elongated receiver, so the atomomat only looks heavy, in fact, everything is practically as it was.

[PROXOR]

And why do we stubbornly do not want to make a shop neck?

[PROXOR]

And what is the minus?

[sso-xnumx]

Oh poor soldier, put in a word!
How much will the poor fellow have to carry on himself! After the command "Lie down", he can get up with all this me?

[Aslan]

I agree, like AK12 will win.

[Srgsoap]

Here is an article about AEK modifications. If there is still infa, share it.
http://topwar.ru/3363-aek-971.html

[navara399]

It looks solid.

[phakic]

This is an AK-74 kit)

[-Dmitry-]

You are mistaken - this is AKM in a kit :)

[Bender]

Well, judging by the compensator, this is akm, just tuning

[Alexander]

The AK-12 is preferable to the a-971 in the army - they are comparable in accuracy and accuracy of fire, but the AK is more reliable due to simpler automation, and in battle the most accurate, but the wedge-catching machine is not your assistant. A-971 machine for special forces, and not for the army.

[psiho117]

Quote: alexandr

The AK-12 is preferable to the a-971 in the army - they are comparable in accuracy and accuracy of fire, but the AK is more reliable due to simpler automation, and in battle the most accurate, but the wedge-catching machine is not your assistant. A-971 machine for special forces, and not for the army.

As for the "AK-12 is more reliable" - hefty doubtful. I lost the tests, Zlobin is encrypted, there is no information about the changes in the kinematics and the internal structure (and there are significant changes);
So you can feel nostalgic about the "good old super reliable AK" and remember with love

[poplar in Kiev]

Aek-971 is much better, but undercover games interfere, although the Kovrov machine has been sold in 10 small batches for XNUMX years, the only minus is the standard NATO cartridge code

[bullet]

Firstly, the caliber AEK-971 is 5,45 mm; AEK-972 - 5,56 mm; AEK-973 - 7,62 mm.
Secondly, the AEK was developed at the KMZ plant, which had been liquidated for ten years already. So it could not be mass-produced.

[bullet]

Here is the original AEK.

[Roman 1977]

The AK-12 is supposed to be produced under the intermediate cartridges 5,45 × 39 mm, 5,56 × 45 mm, 6,5 × 39 mm Grendel enru, 7,62 × 39 mm and under the rifle cartridge 7,62 × 51 mm.
AK-12 is being created as a basic platform, on the basis of which 20 orders of various modifications of small arms for civil and military purposes will be further developed. In particular, shortened versions, a submachine gun, a hunting rifle and a shotgun will be developed on this platform.

AK-12 with options for supply stores and attachments (presentation)
Features of AK-12:
improving the accuracy of fire due to the displacement of the mass of the bolt group and reducing the recoil arm;
improved ergonomics, the introduction of a double-sided fuse-switch for the type of fire, a double-sided shutter delay button and shifting the magazine latch back allows you to operate them with one hand holding the weapon (without removing it from the handle, as before);
Picatinny rail integrated on the hard-mounted receiver cover for mounting attachments (sights, rangefinders, rocket launchers, torches);
a new folding telescopic butt on both sides, a more ergonomic pistol grip, an adjustable butt pad and butt plate, a mechanism for locking the butt when unfolded is now located in the butt itself, and not in the receiver;
the telescopic stock can now be easily replaced with a non-folding plastic stock, for this both models have a Picatinny rail on the end, which they are attached to the receiver (this also allows the hinge with the rod to be turned over on a folding specimen, thus changing the side where the stock is folded);
the ability to install the reload handle on both sides of the receiver (for the convenience of lefties and righties);
the ability to fire in three modes (single shots, with a cutoff of three shots and automatically), previously optional for the "hundredth" series;
muzzle device of the machine, providing the ability to use rifle grenades of foreign manufacture.
New removable combined sight with an increased aiming line;
modified trigger mechanism;
variable rate of fire: automatic fire - 650 rounds / min; mode with a cut-off line for three shots - 1000 rounds / min;
shutter stop (shutter lag);
new design of the bolt group;
barrel with improved manufacturing accuracy, replaceable

http://www.izhmash.ru/rus/news/250112_2.shtml

[Aslan]

navara399, it seems that such an assault rifle was recently spotted by the Kadyrov special forces, the butt was not attracted by the Nashen’s.

[Wolka]

AK-12 will come off abroad for deliveries, but unfortunately yesterday, as you know today, the domestic intensive development of a qualitatively new shooting complex (cartridge + weapons) of a new generation is carried out. Modularity of design and universality are far from the main advantages, the main reliability

[Bogranz]

Just about ... reliability. And at the same time in all respects. And all the talk about the AK as an outdated model of small arms went back to the time of the great stoolman, who apparently read the opinions of experts on computer shooters on the internet. To me personally, the desire of some to replace the AK with "something else" often reminds women of the desire of women to change their blouse for a new one because that the "old", though warm, comfortable and looks good, but ... is no longer fashionable.

[pomegranate]

On the 12th, as far as I know, another shooting mode appeared on 2 rounds.

[Russ69]

I would be honest, and both automatic weapons adopted. Just whom it suits, let the troops decide directly. If in the Airborne Forces, there will be one, and in the infantry another, there is nothing to worry about. The cartridge is still one.

[cerbuk6155]

I am also for. Let each branch of the army itself choose which machine gun it needs.

[cerbuk6155]

I am also for. Let each branch of the army itself choose which machine gun it needs.

[Sevastopol]

the best option, of course. and the Kalash brand will remain at the modern level, and AEK, still a completely different machine gun, will get a chance.

[lexx2038]

I'm certainly not an expert, but AEK sympathizes more, although they are both Kalash modernization, AEK is a deeper modernization. I do not think that AEK will be much inferior in reliability, during operation and it can still be improved 10 times. Like Kalash, how much he served, so much was modified.

[air wolf]

I am for AEK, AK-12 is good, but only for export.

[Monetniy]

I will root for Kovrovites)

[Mountain shooter]

It is interesting to see in mass operation a machine with balanced automation. If the reliability is at the level of AK-74, then all the other trump cards at AEK.

[Aydar]

Quote: Magic Archer

Who will tell you why the disk store ???

This is a drum shop, or "snail".

[Analgin]

AK in its classic layout is good, but nothing lasts forever under the moon. The time of "Kalash" is coming to an end, the time has come to give a chance to other models, other designers. Really, besides Kalashnikov for 70 years, our weapons school has not been able to give birth to a new Master?

[total commander]

Kalashnikov has to rest for one cycle. Now the AEK concept looks preferable. Competition, however.

[Sevastopol]

it would be a big step forward if the AEK-971 got a chance. even if only partially accepted. there is no development without competition. money for this is simply a must.

[PROXOR]

The initial postulate of the adoption of a new machine is NOT HARM !!!!
In other words, the new machines should be reliable as the AK-74 and have a combat accuracy not worse than his. BUT!!!! Need innovation. To make the machine more convenient to use. Over the past 40 years, little progress has been made in small arms. There are various variations of the classic layout. Someone makes Bul dads, someone is a normal machine. Everything else is ergonomics.
Case in point. For all the range of purchasing opportunities for the US Army, only two M16 rifles of the latest modification and M4 are bought. Although it has long shown itself to be not at its best for punching action and reliability. But they are buying. General Kalashnikov said: A soldier picking up a machine gun should not scratch his head as he works.
All that they are doing now is all the variations of what the soldiers are asking to do with a machine gun from the time of Afghanistan. We have some of the biggest experiences in operating weapons in hot spots. Guys, specialists do little with stock 74th. The maximum weight of the calimator is. Specialists sometimes add a flashlight and a hilt and that's it.

[da Vinci]

It seems that the technical idea of ​​the gunsmiths hung in the 70s, not counting tuning. Even the Chinese have adopted type 95/97 and are actively using it. Yes, there are new-old developments by OCs and others - but in the form of exhibition samples of single deliveries, there is no information about their superiority over AK 74.

[SOZIN2013]

This machine is competing with the AK-12. So to say AEK in a new guise

[Gagarin]

Quote: SOZIN2013

This machine is competing with the AK-12. So to say AEK in a new guise

This is AEK-973C

[bullet]

The lower photo is 6P68, not AEK-973C.

[TiGRoO]

Here is the AEK 973s and the "Warrior" kit

[TiGRoO]

And this is Segal) with AEK 973s

[bullet]

You would have increased the photo, and it says: 6P67 - sample index, 5,45 * 39 ammunition caliber.
AEK-973 created under the cartridge 7,62 * 39;
AEK-971 - 5,45 * 39.

[TiGRoO]

http://topwar.ru/3363-aek-971.html прошу эксперт вы наш дорогой перейдите по ссылке, там все подробно описано...

[TiGRoO]

Here's another link to the wiki (although the wiki does not shine with credibility) https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C0%C5%CA-971

[bullet]

If you carefully read Wikipedia (where not everything needs to be 100% believed), then it says that AEK was developed for three calibers: AEK-971 - 5,45-mm, AEK-972 - 5,56-mm, AEK- 973 - 7,62 mm. These samples were developed at the KMZ plant in Kovrov. After the reform, the entire subject of small arms was transferred to the ZID plant.
The 6P67 index was assigned during the Ratnik design and development work. The design of the AEK was taken as a basis, but a new team of designers worked on the machine.
So the 5,45 mm 6P67 assault rifle is not an AEK-971 assault rifle (especially 973).

[hohkn]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

One of the modifications, there are horns to it. There are more rounds in this.

Concern "Kalashnikov" also produces horns for 60 rounds. True, they are still damp, delays do happen.

[PSih2097]

Quote: hohkn

Quote: Alexander Romanov

One of the modifications, there are horns to it. There are more rounds in this.

Concern "Kalashnikov" also produces horns for 60 rounds. True, they are still damp, delays do happen.

Now to the question - is this store adopted?
Yes, it has been adopted and already has its own GRAU index: 6L31 - a four-row magazine for 60 rounds of 5,45x39 rounds for the AK-74.
The authors of this store were Yu.A. Shirobokov, V.N. Paranin. and Bezborodov N.A. - engineers of OJSC "Izhmash", about which there is RF Patent 2158890 (no later than 1999, so this is not a novelty). The principle of the store's operation is also described in detail there.
Schematically:

[bullet]

On the issue of adoption.
This store was tested in 2003 and had problems with uptime. Store 2003 and 2014 release has no design differences.
Question: how was it adopted?

[Gagarin]

Where is the logic ?, TiGRoO posted new photos AEK-973C - MINUS ...
Corrected, thanks for the photo!

[bullet]

The logic is that it is not AEK-973S.
Read the comments carefully.
In the article where these photos came from, it is written in black and white that this is 6P67 - 5,45 * 39. Enlarge the photo!

[TiGRoO]

971 without any novorotov, 973 different, there are under 7,62 * 39;
and there is 5,45 * 39.
Perhaps 973 (5,45 * 39), and 973s (7,62 * 39).
But this is definitely not 971.

[goose]

Quote: lexx2038

I'm certainly not an expert, but AEK sympathizes more, although they are both Kalash modernization, AEK is a deeper modernization. I do not think that AEK will be much inferior in reliability, during operation and it can still be improved 10 times. Like Kalash, how much he served, so much was modified.

Do not consider a fool and a specialist, but judging by the experts, Nikonov is potentially and really better than AEK and AK-12. Price is some complication of the design. My opinion is that at least units with high alert should have one. This somehow mitigates the shortcomings in equipping the army with sighting systems and insufficient rifle training.

[psiho117]

Quote: goose

... judging by experts, Nikonov is potentially and really better than both AEK and AK-12. Price is some complication of the design. My opinion is that at least in units with high alert this should be

Unfortunately, you can forget about the Nikonov assault rifle. The production lines are collapsed, Izhmash does not plan to resume production (a large order could be changed by several hundred thousand machines - but there is no such order, and is not expected). In addition, in its present form, the AN-94 also no longer meets the requirements for modern weapons, its design, ergonomics, and manufacturability require improvements, but there are no customers for this modernization, no money, and no one to develop.

This somehow mitigates the shortcomings in equipping the army with sighting systems and insufficient rifle training.

On the contrary, mass equipment with sighting systems and better rifle preparation is preferable than the adoption of a new machine gun - it is cheaper, easier and more efficient.
Well, Nikonov’s assault rifle - rest in peace
sorry, I always liked him.

[bullet]

Nikonov machine gun on production lines has never been produced.
Yes, there is practically no one left from the development team, but if you have the political will, financial investments and customer interest, all issues can be resolved (design documentation available). Unfortunately, it is more convenient to deal with projects that promise profit and dubious fame.

[Postovoi]

Whatever it was, but personally I would like to honestly win and act that machine that honestly wins the fight, otherwise thoughts still do not leave my head that there will be another "pushing" someone's interests again, oh, we are waiting -from...

[darksoul]

experts in addition to the external lineup and picatinny bar TTX have changed? if only the picatini bar so I have a tactical paintball gun, flashlight, ltsu, optics, bipod, everything is stuck on the picatini)))

[-Dmitry-]

A lot has changed in terms of ergonomics, and according to experts and regular users - AK needs to be improved only in terms of ergonomics. The same Americans are also on this path - M4 improve in terms of ergonomics, well, a little improved in terms of reliability.

The AK-12 has a folding butt, adjustable in length and height (an emphasis for a cheek). The fuse is controlled with one hand.

[MRomanovich]

It doesn’t matter the Kovrov or Izhevsk model, the main thing is that the best would win. But practice shows that competitions are won not by the best, but by the most profitable in terms of cost and unification. Remember, Kalash was also not the best (at least by most requirements) in some competitions, but it was he who won because of more unification. At all times, Kalash had only one advantage - reliability, then a trump card appeared in the form of unification. By the way, this is inherent not only to us, almost the whole world the same picture.