DNR and LC are going to hold the Military Council of field commanders

By the end of this month, Donetsk and Luhansk people's republics are planning to hold a military council of field commanders, reports Colonelcassad. It will decide on the establishment of the Ministry of Defense of New Russia.

90% of the field commanders of the LC and most of the field commanders of the DPR, as well as the Cossacks, advocated this idea. It is noted that they are going to go to the end, seeking to create New Russia-as a state.

This message was commented by General Petrovsky.

“I heard about this idea from a so-called seated in my basement. General Korsun. Well, maybe the Cossacks and the practically non-existent MO of the LC and supports. I know nothing about the DND commanders who profess this idea even at the level of the battalion commander, ”he noted.

Also, Igor Strelkov gave his comments on the current policy.

“Today the whole evening was listening to the“ delegates ”from Donetsk. Five listened. Very sad impressions. I will not share, but I will only say that I AM ashamed of some of the comrades of the number of commanders. I hope my words will be passed on to them and they will understand - for whom exactly (and why) I am ashamed, ”he said.

According to him, “from now on, a number of commanders will stop receiving humanitarian aid from our rear units.”

Comments

[Mitek]

Everything in one place and at the same time. Too tempting target. The issue of security must be taken very seriously. One "Point" and that's it. And one-man management is extremely necessary.

[subbtin.725]

Brain, all the same, he achieved his goal; it's high time that this should have happened yesterday.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I read recently in Arguments ... A situation similar to Ukraine and Novorossiya was in the recent past between Croatia and Serbian Krajina. After a series of major military defeats from the Serbs, the Croats were forced to conclude a "temporary truce" for 3 years too ... So over these three years The Croats stabilized the economy and re-armed the army, and at the end of the ceasefire, they simply rolled out Serbian Krajina in a day under the tacit consent of the UN ... Now they are clearly planning to do something like that ...! I hope Novorossia understands this all and will not agree to any "peace agreements "God bless New Russia!

[skeket]

Quote: MIKHAN

So, over these three years, the Croats stabilized the economy and rearmed the army, and at the end of the ceasefire, they simply rolled out the Serbian Krajina in a day under the tacit consent of the UN ... Now they are clearly planning to do something like this ... no "peace agreements"

Do you believe that the dill economy will recover in 3 years? Well, it’s also important that Serbia did not have the Russian Federation at hand.

[iwakura]

the economy may not recover. But the army with the help of "doping" from NATO can be pumped up so that it will get out of the ears, and we must not forget about psychological pumping, winter is to blame and other things, again, will be damned m ...

[Rom14]

This is an Amer project and they will do everything to spoil Russia on a larger scale ... They don’t need the Ukrainians economy - they are no longer satisfied, more Bandera, more blood and chaos.

[Victor-M]

Quote: skeket

Do you believe that the dill economy will recover in 3 years? Well, it’s also important that Serbia did not have the Russian Federation at hand.

Woe to that country, which the Americans began to help, this can only mean one thing, its imminent end. Their role in the world is to destroy, crush integrity, followed by dosed feeding of weapons, one of the most radical of the conflicting parties, to maintain the conflict. In general, the stupidity of the fighters for independence, which, after gaining it, not knowing what to do with it, sell it with themselves, or simply dutifully fall under the new owners, is striking.

[wladimir]

Germany helped Croatia, they have a friendship of the modern 2 world. then the Ustash were themselves Germany’s reliable allies for the extermination of the Slavs. And now Germany will do everything, and has already done something to pit Ukrainians (also were Slavs) with the Russians.

[222222]

An interesting interpretation of the events of October 16-17, 1941 in Moscow ..
..and even more interesting is the connection with today's events ..

http://vimeo.com/106593834
duration 3 hours 14 minutes

[12423 student]

Quote: MIKHAN

So, over these three years, the Croats stabilized the economy and rearm the army

In Ukraine, the situation is such that they cannot stabilize the economy in thirty-three years. They have all the hope for handouts from the West, but the United States will not invest in the economy. They need a ruin, not Ukraine. Such a pun.

[Момент]

The worst thing is that everyone has a different vision of the future.

[Giant thought]

The unification of the command of the military units of the republics should have taken place the day before yesterday, but better late than never. As you know, unity is power.

[Lelek]

Quote: Thought Giant

As you know, unity is power.

Unity is good and extremely necessary, but we also need to think about daily bread for the army and the population (production, the Finnish system, payments, the pension system, and a whole bunch of different things). After all, it is necessary to make sure that people in the Republic of Novorossiya want to live. War for the sake of war is counterproductive. Strengthening the army and bringing it to normal combat education (and not a bunch of partisan units with their chieftains at the head) is also expensive. Russia will certainly help in solving these problems, but the Novorossiyses themselves need not to flatter themselves, but to actively engage in the construction of their state.

[Alexander Romanov]

This message was commented by General Petrovsky.

“I heard about this idea from the so-called. General Korsun.
All these generals remind me more and more of the lads.

[g1v2]

Well, essentially it is. There are guys behind whom are people with trunks. In a civil war, the trunk is the power, who has more of them and is right. Now there are more trunks of those who do what they are told - Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky, those who are less nishtyakov due to disobedience - are worried. If it is my New Russia that tries to declare itself a single command without the participation of Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky, then there will be a split and fights in Donetsk. A single mo is necessary, but without the participation of these people it will be just the opposition. They have most of the people and supplies go to them. The only one who could unite all the commanders is Strelkov, but it is not so easy to manage. It can hardly be said to him that you fly to Minsk in the morning, sign another paper, but everything is under control and this is all the case. Of course, there is still a thought - Zhirik in the presidency of New Russia, the situation is just for him. Well, or an authoritative retirement to send there, although I do not even guess who.

[fox21h]

Quote: Mitek

Everything in one place and at the same time. Too tempting target. The issue of security must be taken very seriously. One "Point" and that's it. And one-man management is extremely necessary.

It’s not necessary to get together, you can send deputies, and communicate by video conference yourself

[vitaz]

The discharge of Novorosia is canceled, just do not mess, not time

[RUSS]

Quote: vitaz

The discharge of Novorosia is canceled, just do not mess, not time

Many in the DPR want "today and now", but this does not happen in the modern world, you need to be ready for independence in order to keep it and not slide into complete devastation, in general it takes time. I think Moscow is preparing a smooth secession of Novorossiya.

[zzz]

Quote: RUSS

I think in Moscow they are preparing a smooth branch of New Russia.

I even know that it is EXACTLY! Because they are already preparing to create AHC there. I can’t say anything else. Sori.

[MIV999]

Sorry, but I’m really not sure that it makes sense to take risks and substitute so clearly ... A huge risk in the case, for example, of a missile or airstrike decapitate all units of New Russia ...
The military is fighting! ... Negotiate delegates and authorized politicians to negotiate ...

[Loner_53]

Also, Igor Strelkov gave his comments on the current policy.
It is necessary to listen to the advice of Igor Ivanovich! Until it’s too late!

[avt]

Without the creation of REAL Novorossiysk UNIFIED administrative and military structures, Novorossia will not get any development, everything will collapse without being born. There will be, "Walk the field" named after Makhno! Such a mini "Ukraine 1991". There will be no gap in the economy! And they will lose the confidence of the population, which cannot be restored by any humanitarian convoys.

[MIV999]

Nobody argues with this ... It is necessary to create such structures ...
BUT this is NOT a MATTER OF THE MILITARY - to sit on the podiums !!! ... At least if we are talking about active military men, and not wedding generals ...
If the military is involved in the creation of structures, then structures can and will be created, but the military units themselves, without the attention of the fathers-commanders, will definitely decline ... To the delight of Dill ...

[valday]

It's time to unite! It will be easier to resist the junta!

[Egoza]

Believe it or not, the Kazakhstani Vanga said that "Strelkov was appointed by the Higher Forces as a COLLECTOR, and he has the soul of Alexander Suvorov."

So if he is the main one, there is no doubt in victory. Now it’s important that the politicians are not obstructive.

[AQUARIUS 65]

Fidget SU
... Kazakhstani Vanga said that "Strelkov was appointed by the Higher Forces as a COLONDER, and he has the soul of Alexander Suvorov."

If this is true, then now Strelkova has the same period of time as Suvorov in Konchansky. I hope that Igor Ivanovich will end it with what Alexander Vasilievich did.

[Tanechka-clever]

Quote: Egoza

he has the soul of Alexander Suvorov. "

And not only, if not mistaken, Igor Ivanovich was awarded the Suvorov medal.

And he recognized him as the best commander, and he himself tries to equal him, if I am not mistaken.

[krpmlws]

It’s high time to form my provisional government of Novorossia and announce the date of the president’s election. The plum-governments in the LPR and the DPR have sat down, it’s time for them to resign.

[domokl]

In my opinion, a continuation of the policy of weakening the militia is continuing. On the one hand, a unified army is needed. But on the other ... Under the beautiful slogan, the squabble begins not only at the level of politicians, but also at the level of commanders.
Why not follow a simple and already tested scheme? Why not create an LPR army and a DPR army at the beginning, and only then, after the creation of a real government of NR, real state power in a single state, they can simply be combined.
I think this discord is specially organized. It is organized not only by politicians who are corrupt in the DPR and LPR, but also by Moscow. New Russia is in danger. Not military, but political. And we won’t notice how the idea of ​​federalization will be revived, as militias will be squeezed out of government bodies and law enforcement agencies ...

[VICTOR-61]

It's a shame when politicians substitute Novorossia for their image and create discord between the commanders of the militia and it’s too early to divide, it is necessary to achieve complete victory and let the inhabitants of Novorossia choose the ruler

[RUSS]

Quote: VICTOR-61

It's a shame when politicians substitute Novorossia for their image and create discord between the commanders of the militia and it’s too early to divide, it is necessary to achieve complete victory and let the inhabitants of Novorossia choose the ruler

Sometimes it seems that it was not the Strelkov politician who wore the "crown".

[valentina-makanalina]

Until there is a unification of the DPR and LPR in a single entity - New Russia, there will be disagreements. Only by uniting can they exist as a single republic and achieve their goals.
We must forget that there is the DNI and the LC, but there is one whole - New Russia.

[Russ69]

23.09.14. 01: 30. Message from Strelkov Igor Ivanovich.

“I listened to the delegates from Donetsk the whole evening. I listened to the five. I’m very sad. I’ll not share, but I’ll just say that I’m embarrassed for some of the teammates from the number of commanders. I hope they will convey my words and they will understand who (for) and why) I am ashamed.
A number of commanders from today will stop receiving humanitarian aid from our rear units. For this, I still have enough "power".
“I will be pleased” by some Donetsk residents - last Saturday in Moscow, in a restaurant, 60 people celebrated the victory, led by Surkov. From the DPR "walked" Borodai, Zakharchenko and Purgin. "

According to him, “from now on, a number of commanders will stop receiving humanitarian aid from our rear units.”

And here, it is not pleasant. Sam cursed that the Russian Federation was blackmailing the leadership of the LPR and the DPR with humanitarian aid and the military service, and he himself was starting the same thing ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Russ69

And here, it is not pleasant. Sam cursed that the Russian Federation was blackmailing the leadership of the LPR and the DPR with humanitarian aid and the military service, and he himself was starting the same thing ...

Strelkov began to talk a lot. He is sitting in Moscow or where he is now in Russia and does not have time to stamp comments.

[RUSS]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Strelkov began to talk a lot. He is sitting in Moscow or where he is now in Russia and does not have time to stamp comments.

Is his vacation over? If so, why is he not in the Donbass or is he a veteran?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: RUSS

If so, why is he not in the Donbass or is he a veteran?

He won’t go there anymore!

[222222]

Alexander Romanov (3) RU Today, 10: 46 ↑
The shooters began to talk a lot. He sits in Moscow or wherever he is in Russia now and he doesn't have time to churn out comments. I'm fed up. "
Everybody is tired of someone ... "DON'T BRAG, GO TO THE RATH, BUT PRESS, GO FROM THE RATI"
..... and THEIR ARMY .. "The army struck against the army, fought ... Something remained from the Turks; And from the Serbs, if any, remained; The wounded, the dead remained. After the battle on the Kosovo field .. . "
So it’s right now ..

[Tanechka-clever]

Quote: 222222

Shooters started talking a lot

But for me it’s not enough ...

And yet - he does it on purpose statements not for people like you, but for people like me who want to hear it.
And I also think so that they would not think that he is hiding or is going to run away, as some want. He has too many enemies ....
Too many people had questions, on the contrary, until he finally appeared - until he began to leave his little comments - and this is enough for the people, and whoever doesn't like it may just not read them.
And I always expect a message from him ....

[Russ69]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Strelkov began to talk a lot. He is sitting in Moscow or where he is now in Russia and does not have time to stamp comments.

I agree that it has suffered recently, some messages are starting to raise questions ...

[Tanechka-clever]

Quote: Russ69

it has suffered recently

Not constructive statements - always NOT DYED a man.

It is very similar to envy .... there is nothing to envy.

This work and responsibility, undertaken voluntarily, is worthy only of real and strong men, and not everyone can do it.

Your words are not "HUSBAND". Sometimes it is better to remain silent and save face, but you have lost it now ...

[Tanechka-clever]

Quote: Russ69

I do not like it

Or maybe he found out that they are engaged in looting, they leave their positions or I do not follow the orders of their superiors, maybe they are already "walk-field".

Therefore, Igor Ivanovich, and I STRONGLY SURE of this, will not openly say such words in vain.

"Degenerate" are always and will be everywhere. Some in the war begin to like the "smell of blood" and they become "professional murderers", while others see humanitarian aid not as help for everyone, but only for themselves.
And rumors that humanitarian aid, after crossing the border, does not come to people, but to shops for profit, is a fact.
He simply showed that Novorossia was not an empty phrase for him, and he took everything that was happening there closely as it should to the Russian officer of his Fatherland.
Therefore, do not rush with your statements. Personally, I believe Igor Ivanovich - he does not throw words into the wind like some ....

[skeket]

Quote: Loner_53

It is necessary to listen to the advice of Igor Ivanovich! Until it’s too late!

Strelkov is a general, not a politician. Yes, and xs that Putin is stirring up there.

[azbukin77]

He believed, believe and will believe I. Strelkov because this is one of the few who did not tarnish his uniform in disagreements and internecine disassembly, THE HONOR OF OFFICER is not an empty phrase for him !!!!!!!!!!!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: azbukin77

because this is one of the few who have not stained their uniform

Were next to him? Or so, picture on TV.

[Tanechka-clever]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Were next to him?

And YOU, I see, were next to Zhukov - and he is a hero for the PEOPLE, whom after the war they began to "eat" and "tamp".

We know about the results, as well as the situation in Russia and the slightest global alignment around Russia, as well as the problems of Russia - each conclusion is made by the SAM.

Each event has its own view and point of view. Even for the future of New Russia, if at all.
After all, Novorossia is not a piece of land from Lugansk and Donetsk as it is today.

For example, the Americans today unleashed the war in the Donbass - they call democracy, pressure on Japan, under which Japan agrees to postpone Putin’s visit to Japan, is also democracy, forcing the EU to sanction Russia - educating Russia in the spirit of American democracy .....
And I personally - call it all a manifestation of American fascism, which dictates its will to all in the world American exceptionalism.

Judge by business ..... or you have enough words, for example from Kurginyan ....

[Lelek]

The creation of a single (DPR + LPR) state with a full-fledged, elected people of the republic, government, full-fledged army and its command was a task that had to be solved yesterday. Well, better late than never. Without the implementation of these plans, no REPUBLIC will succeed. All decisions in this direction should be fixed by the constitution of New Russia. I express my opinion, which is not dogma, but advice.

[Rock2]

Repeated and will repeat. IN UNITY, strength plus the idea of ​​a fair living arrangement. Here is the core on which New Russia should be based. Around this idea, you need to unite and build your future ... And there, others will start to catch up ...

[Mhpv]

Divide and conquer (Latin divide et impera) - the principle of state power, which is often resorted to by governments of states consisting of heterogeneous parts, and, according to which, the best method of managing such a state is to incite and exploit hostility between its parts.
In a broader sense, the tactics (often hidden) of creating, strengthening and using contradictions, differences or disagreements between two or more parties to control them. Often used by a weaker minority to rule the majority.
Methods of use [edit | edit wiki text]
In politics and sociology, divide and conquer is a strategy for obtaining and maintaining power, by dividing a large concentration of power into groups that individually have less power. Most often, small power groups are prevented from connecting and becoming more powerful, as it is usually more difficult to break up existing power structures. Effective use of this technique allows small forces to control those who together have more power (or would have more power if they could unite).

Such a technique requires a lot of skill and political grace, as well as a good understanding of political science, history and psychology. “Divide and conquer” works only if the objects of this technique agree with it (for example, because it leads to their personal advantage). This works best in societies where there was fierce competition between noble families, clans, or social classes before the overlord took over.

Typical elements of technology [edit | edit wiki text]
creating or at least not preventing petty hostility among smaller players. Such enmity depletes resources and prevents alliances that might challenge lords;
assistance to those who wish to cooperate with the overlord, often at the expense of disobedient local rulers;
the creation of distrust and hostility between local rulers;
approval of expenses for excesses (for example, spectacular palaces) in order to leave insufficient funds for political maneuvering and wars.

Ordinary residents believed in the LPR and the DPR, went to a referendum and are now suffering in full. Civilians, children, old people are dying, and those who brewed it all share the skin of an undead bear. In the army of Novorossia, not only residents of Donbass but also Zaporizhia fight , Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov,

[Crimea-nyash]

Well, finally, it’s time to carry out a concrete unification, and as soon as possible it will be a complete scribe to separate from this puppet state.

[ISKANDER25]

Hello! Guys, let's live and fight together! The rest is later! THANKS

[Wolka]

the struggle unites, the "truce" only introduces discord in management, (squabbles, envy, corruption and the struggle for power) did not have to put up with Svidomo, the Serbo-Croatian "truce" scenario is being repeated ...

[Tanechka-clever]

"... they will understand - for whom specifically (and why) I am ashamed", .. "

And Igor Ivanovich I can find out - what they did, I also want to know - curious from childhood, for which I suffered, otherwise I only ask questions and they are all unanswered.
And yet - I did not understand - the DPR does not want the "Novorossiya" Ministry of Defense and it turns out that they want to stay on their own - they are afraid of the "new" oligarchs from Russia or there are more important reasons.

[Ze Kot]

This has already passed ... In the spring of 1917 ...

[Roust]

The Minsk agreements will destroy Novorossia .... The only plus: the exchange of prisoners ... It was necessary to finish ukrov in boilers, to drop five areas before Kiev and only then sit down at the same negotiating table.