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Latvian doctor about medicine in Ukraine: “Everything is plundered, everywhere is complete chaos”

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Neurosurgeon from Latvia Renar Putnins together with the President of the Society of Physicians Peteris Apinis visited Ukraine. They were not allowed into field hospitals, but what they were able to see in ordinary hospitals in Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk was enough, the agency reports Ридус with reference to "Delfi".

Latvian doctor about medicine in Ukraine: “Everything is plundered, everywhere is complete chaos”


The Latvian doctors began a conversation with a journalist with the phrase that has become traditional in the Baltic states that “Ukraine is now fighting for our entire European civilization. It means they are fighting for us. ” And therefore Ukraine (not the militia, in fact!) Should be helped. After the mandatory part of the “program” was completed, the doctors left the policy alone and went directly to what they saw.

“I think a lot is silenced. The medical system of Ukraine is in rather serious condition. Perhaps the Ukrainians did not want to show, ”said Putnins, explaining that they were not allowed to enter the frontline territory.

“Everything is plundered, everywhere is complete chaos. Therefore, there are many dead. The law of the golden hour is not observed: if a person is injured, he needs to provide medical assistance within an hour. Unfortunately, this is not usually the case. Maybe a person is given primary, emergency care, stops the bleeding, is dragged off from the line of fire. There are field hospitals - more tents. So we were told. I admit that there is no this. Maybe we were not allowed to the front line so that we would not see a complete mess. Of course, they said that they are responsible for our lives. This can be understood. But we saw the condition of the military hospitals far from the front. You can imagine what is happening in the field ".


According to Putninsh, the medical budget in Ukraine is equal to 3,4 billion (what currency we are talking about, the agency does not specify). In terms of per capita - in 5 times less than in Latvia.

Continuing to share his impressions, the doctor said:
“Medicine is completely running. If they want to improve something, they need grand reforms. In Kiev, quietly, Independence cleaned, everything is clean. In Dnepropetrovsk, in 160 − 200 kilometers from the front line, too, nothing indicated the proximity of war. But as soon as you enter the hospital, everything changes. There is a completely different world. And in Kiev, and in Dnepropetrovsk. The smell of blood with antibiotics. In Dnepropetrovsk, one of the members of the government of Yanukovych privatized a military hospital and sold it to foreign investors. The hospital was plundered, 400 remained from 100 beds. Naturally, no new equipment was purchased. The staff was reduced, patients were treated with kind words. Over time, it was planned to rebuild the hospital into a shopping center. ”


“Delfi” noted that Latvians were touched by signs of patriotism seen in Ukraine: “houses are painted in national colors, national flags are everywhere”. Indeed, a nice little picture. And if someone suggested to the patriots not to waste money on paint, but to buy bandages or medicines for the wounded, let's say, ... I guess they wouldn't understand him. It is one thing - bandages that only the patient needs, and no one will see them except him. And quite another - the blue-yellow house, which simply screams patriotism to the whole world.

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  1. Wiruz
    Wiruz 23 September 2014 09: 47
    +20
    Nothing, nothing. But tomorrow, the Square will take it and sign something there with the EU, so German and British healers will come there right away, and how they will undertake to treat everyone and everything for everything !!! Here's a tada and live! The main thing is not to forget to count the kidneys only after the "treatment" good
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 23 September 2014 10: 15
      +4
      The kidneys, liver, pancreas, spleen, but you never know when removing what such a patient can die.
    2. kostik1301
      kostik1301 23 September 2014 10: 27
      +4
      Europe supplied equipment in the form of crematoria - no patient no problem ...............
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 23 September 2014 10: 48
      +6
      Ukraine has turned into a huge underground supplier of human organs, everything in Ukraine is now being sold to the West, they have completely stopped thinking about the future.
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 23 September 2014 11: 34
        +1
        Quote: Thought Giant
        Ukraine has become a huge underground supplier of human organs


        As the saying goes, only business and nothing personal. There will be a new dill nation with one kidney, no liver
        , stomach and spleen, but when the brains (which are still in stock) are sold, then this nation will completely form into a "nextropia". bully
      2. Bkmz
        Bkmz 23 September 2014 11: 46
        0
        And when did they think about the future? Those who think about the future are called terrorists, separatists and traitors.
      3. Varangian22
        Varangian22 23 September 2014 12: 40
        0
        Why “they don’t think” - and also how they “think!” Only those who sell other people's kidneys, etc., think about their well-being in the future, but they do not care about the health and lives of the victims.
  2. Owl27
    Owl27 23 September 2014 09: 49
    +15
    Dr. Putniньš --- that's cool !!! fellow

    1. welder
      welder 23 September 2014 10: 02
      +1
      The blame will be blamed on him if Che, since Putnins-Putin.
      1. WKS
        WKS 23 September 2014 10: 12
        0
        On the contrary, Putin-Putnins.
    2. welder
      welder 23 September 2014 10: 02
      0
      The blame will be blamed on him if Che, since Putnins-Putin.
    3. kolyhalovs
      kolyhalovs 23 September 2014 10: 05
      0
      I generally read Putins first. laughing
      1. Roland
        Roland 23 September 2014 10: 53
        +1
        But what is Putin here, Svidomo did not suspect anything ?! laughing soldier
    4. INFOLegioner
      INFOLegioner 23 September 2014 11: 09
      0
      Putninsh - translated as Ptichkin (putns-bird). and judging by the words of the doctor, it would be better if this "bird" would sit in his Nazi Latvian chicken coop ...
  3. skylare
    skylare 23 September 2014 09: 49
    +5
    Well, and we complain about our health care system. For all its shortcomings, there is no such mess in Ukraine as it is. Regularly, fees for sick children from Ukraine appear on the sites, because everything is absolutely paid, from bandage to infinity, parents have to get everything themselves.
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 23 September 2014 10: 20
      +1
      Quote: skylare
      for sick children from Ukraine

      You read and immediately remember "The Twelve Chairs" "The Heavy Legacy of the Starving Volga Region". And how do all these Potroshenkovtsi resemble "shy thieves" supporting relatives from "starving ...."
  4. nomad
    nomad 23 September 2014 09: 50
    +8
    Westerners always touch everything - more beautiful, brighter. For them, first of all, packaging, and what is not important inside. Well, we arrived, we had fun, we left, but nothing has changed. This is normal for them. Visited.
  5. pv1005
    pv1005 23 September 2014 09: 50
    +5
    A person with such a surname is probably very hard living in Latvia. laughing
  6. Loner_53
    Loner_53 23 September 2014 09: 50
    +6
    There are no grandmothers for medicine, but by the way the fence is painted and everything in kakland is blocky, the grandmas go to paint. wassat
  7. Muadipus
    Muadipus 23 September 2014 09: 51
    +4
    Goodbye Ukraine! :(

    Ps / Truly long wires - extra tears. We say goodbye for 23 years and we all hope that we won’t leave. 23 years is too much. During this period, the people that we knew disappeared, disappeared in time. There are others, albeit with the same names, but different in views, with a different worldview. That Ukraine that we remember is gone.
  8. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 23 September 2014 09: 53
    +1
    Yes, the Nazis came to power and to the end they plunder everything and with what Ukraine was left in complete shit they will soon understand and they will seem to me Nukovich is a trifle that he stole these plundered everyone and everything
  9. MIV999
    MIV999 23 September 2014 09: 54
    +4
    Now, when Svidomo point to the collapse in Ukrainian medicine, they will 100% crow wassat :
    - It's Putnins to blame yes
    After all, in this "wonderful" country, the one who is the first to point out the problems that has arisen is now appointed the guilty one belay ...
    Present Ukraine does not forgive people for the truth ...
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 23 September 2014 10: 22
      0
      Quote: MIV999
      Svidomo
      it's time to call everything by its proper names "Svanomordy"
  10. avt
    avt 23 September 2014 09: 56
    +2
    ,,. But as soon as you enter the hospital, everything changes. There is a completely different world. Both in Kiev and in Dnepropetrovsk. The smell of blood along with antibiotics. In Dnepropetrovsk, a member of the Yanukovych government privatized a military hospital and sold it to foreign investors. The hospital was plundered, out of 400 beds, 100 remained. Naturally, they did not buy new equipment. The staff was reduced, the patients were treated with kind words. The plan was to eventually rebuild the hospital into a shopping center. "------- request Everything according to Bulgakov, White Guard, again, the last film gives quite an idea for those who are too lazy to read letters on paper, but personally to me Myshchlaevsky, as it is performed by Porechenkov, is not very good, well, with a book image, it definitely does not fit, and Karas like that No.- in size does not pass laughing .
  11. skylare
    skylare 23 September 2014 09: 56
    +3
    Whatever my attitude to the soldiers of the Ukrainian army, the way their so-called government deals with them is hardly even a betrayal. For Poroshenko and others like him, this is just dumb meat, with which you can’t stand on ceremony, create basic conditions for survival, or supply weapons. Grinded their militia - we will drive new cattle for slaughter, Ukraine will not become impoverished. And the state of medicine in the ATO in particular and in Ukraine in general fully confirms this.
  12. Bear13
    Bear13 23 September 2014 09: 57
    +2
    Especially with such creatures as Krasutskaya, dill medicine has an unenviable future.

    http://topwar.ru/58721-svodki-ot-opolcheniya-novorossii-za-22-sentyabrya-2014-go
    da.html
  13. Monetniy
    Monetniy 23 September 2014 09: 58
    +5
    My mother cured all my teeth last year in Crimea (still Ukrainian). Not expensive and high quality did everything. In Russia, in order to cure your teeth and insert, you can go broke. Every year they try to close a village hospital in our country, then they want to do a TB clinic there something else. And remember the scandal in Pitier which was with the closure of the children's hospital. So let's look at what is happening behind our medicine and the country in general. And now we are being distracted by this Ukraine into all its holes, and what few people really say is what is happening in the country, what kind of inflation is going on.
    1. BOB044
      BOB044 23 September 2014 10: 07
      +3
      Do not chat with us for free at the insurance pole do. And here is how it is different. We steal and take bribes WE are citizens. Each in its place. No need to blame everything on the state. You have to ask yourself.
      1. Nikolav
        Nikolav 23 September 2014 10: 36
        +2
        However, Monetniy is right. We almost ruined the medicine. If anyone denies this and says that everything is fine, that Governor is from EP.
      2. avt
        avt 23 September 2014 11: 55
        0
        Quote: BOB044
        Do not chat with us for free at the insurance pole do

        Mom stood in line for a long time, but then they did the prosthetics for free.
    2. omsbon
      omsbon 23 September 2014 10: 28
      +4
      Quote: Monetniy
      And remember the scandal in Pitier which was with the closure of the children's hospital. So let's look at what is happening behind our medicine and the country in general.


      It seems to me that it smells like "I am the daughter of an officer", also tied with a white ribbon.
    3. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 23 September 2014 10: 33
      0
      Quote: Monetniy
      Not expensive and high quality did everything.

      Not expensive, this is because for Ukrainian doctors there is no clientele in Ukraine capable of paying at a high rate. The same trend is in the Ukrainian markets. When I came there I felt like heir to Rockefeller. But all this only speaks of poverty. Well, as for the quality, as teeth were made to me in Petrozavodsk 15 years ago, so the doctors never touched them. And if the cost of work is divided by 15 years, it’s quite a penny. That's when your mother (God give her health) these ten years teeth stand, then you will talk about quality. Even poorly made teeth can last three years.
  14. vorobey
    vorobey 23 September 2014 10: 02
    0
    that they were not yet in Khatsepetovka ....

    “Delfi” noted that Latvians were touched by signs of patriotism seen in Ukraine: “houses are painted in national colors, national flags are everywhere”. Indeed, a nice little picture. And if someone suggested to the patriots not to waste money on paint, but to buy bandages or medicines for the wounded, let's say, ... I guess they wouldn't understand him. It is one thing - bandages that only the patient needs, and no one will see them except him. And quite another - the blue-yellow house, which simply screams patriotism to the whole world.


    Remember what ended Chekhov’s Chamber No. 6?

    Gentlemen, frequent visits to the madhouse and, all the more, close communication with patients - is too much .....
  15. Vadim12
    Vadim12 23 September 2014 10: 02
    +1
    The doctor’s surname is somehow suspicious: Putnins ... wink
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 23 September 2014 10: 42
      0
      The surname of our president is suspicious ... not some sort of Yeltsin, but Putin, although it looks like a Lithuanian one, "Putny, no." True, with our "all the way", but the same suspiciously as with our swordsman Krovopuskov.
  16. pexotinec
    pexotinec 23 September 2014 10: 04
    0
    And what they wanted to see. And soon one yellow-blue streak will remain from Ukraine.
  17. evilrussian
    evilrussian 23 September 2014 10: 05
    +1
    You should see some hospitals in Russia. Holes in the walls and floor, buildings in disrepair.
    The toilet is on the street (there are just holes). And this is damn surgery. When I went to the toilet I almost vomited constantly from the sight and smell.
    Better than washing the bones with hozlak medicine, our business would be. Hospitals are dilapidated, they have no medicines, not even thermometers. I bought bandages and stuff myself, for there isn’t there
    Sorry, but just boiling up.
    1. Owl27
      Owl27 23 September 2014 10: 25
      0
      We have very decent hospitals in Krasnodar. Again, my mother was in urology in the 2nd regional, repairs, cleanliness, the "mouse won't slip through" access system, we did not buy ANYTHING from medicines, the operation was complicated, no one extorted a penny or hinted. Probably we give it ourselves, and then we complain.

      In which city are such terrible hospitals?
    2. Sharky
      Sharky 23 September 2014 10: 45
      0
      Come to us in Kaliningrad for treatment! You will not find someone like you described in the afternoon with fire. drinks
      1. Owl27
        Owl27 23 September 2014 10: 52
        0
        Better you come to us!
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 23 September 2014 11: 00
          +1
          Quote: Owl27
          Better you come to us!


          Better not to get sick, all good health!
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    1. helicop-man
      helicop-man 23 September 2014 10: 22
      0
      Write the third time, otherwise I can’t find the weeds. With teeth)
    2. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 23 September 2014 10: 23
      +2
      Not ...... I’ll say softer .... my mother last year in Togliatti, we cured all our teeth and put new ones .... NOT A KOPE! Yes .... the queue waited a year .... but the fact remains! ........... They refused to give me heart surgery in Samara .... they said it was possible for grandmothers in Germany .... two months later, according to the federal program, they sent me to Novosibirsk in Akademgorodok (coupe passage is free !) did everything! On the third (!!!!) day I was driving home! And about a thousand for dinner .... one thing I can say - you need to moderate your appetite ...... my wife and I can eat barbecue for a thousand in a cafe and drink beer! ... We are not svidomye glad that the chicken coop burned out at the neighbor. .................. We never considered Ukraine a stranger, that's why we are worried!
  19. _Igorek_
    _Igorek_ 23 September 2014 10: 06
    0
    They themselves wanted to live in a free country - this is the result. Someone can now, even more freely, steal, not at all thinking about tomorrow for the state. Someone was freed from treatment, but he, in turn, was freed from life ... There will still be roofing felts!
  20. Sherlovogor
    Sherlovogor 23 September 2014 10: 06
    -1
    Quote: skylare
    Well, and we complain about our health care system. For all its shortcomings, there is no such mess in Ukraine as it is. Regularly, fees for sick children from Ukraine appear on the sites, because everything is absolutely paid, from bandage to infinity, parents have to get everything themselves.

    There is war, therefore everything is so bad. Take our Russian rural hospitals sheds, and all for treatment you need to buy a patient who has a salary of 5000 rubles or a pensioner.
    1. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 23 September 2014 11: 34
      0
      You dear forgot ... that we have just gone through an almost 20-year war of rampant crime, the collapse of the economy .... millions of Russians have sunk into oblivion ..... And now we are taking quick steps out of the pit ... . Take an interest in how much the number of deaths from cardiovascular diseases has decreased, how much life has increased .. You will be pleasantly surprised ... You need to understand that no one says that we have super medicine ...... BUT !!! We work and we succeed! And Ukraine just falls into the abyss deeper and deeper ............
  21. Serbor
    Serbor 23 September 2014 10: 07
    0
    Well, balts are full! Found whom to send to Ukraine - Putninsha. It immediately becomes clear to all Svidomo that Putnins will not say anything good about Ukraine. Most likely a FSB agent disguised as a soft sign. But the hour itself is not even ... Great and Terrible?
  22. vitaz
    vitaz 23 September 2014 10: 08
    0
    The head uk-ro-pam was "healed" as it should, so hospitals are not needed. Zomboyaschik is the best doctor, and all diseases are not from Svidomo
  23. BOB044
    BOB044 23 September 2014 10: 11
    +2
    To paint fences and everything else in the color of the national flag. Not patriotism but IDIOTISM. I have a cat when there is nothing to do, he lifts his hind leg and starts licking one place intensely. So is Ukraine with the flag. Engaged in drinks same.
  24. FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN 23 September 2014 10: 16
    0
    Yeah! Odessa. The head doctor (I don’t remember exactly which one) has already said that newborns are not vaccinated against tuberculosis for several months, Odessa is on the verge of an epidemic, Almost 100% of drugs and vaccines were purchased in Russia ....... An old effective method of distracting people from problems-Find the enemy, make paint fences and dig ditches ..................! Sobering up will be cruel!
  25. Ober.K
    Ober.K 23 September 2014 10: 17
    +2
    They had mountains of gold
    And "rivers full of wine"
    But stupidly paint all the fences
    For more they have no mind .. wassat
    Quote: pexotinec
    And what they wanted to see. And soon one yellow-blue streak will remain from Ukraine.
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn 23 September 2014 11: 01
      0
      Painting everything is a preparation for the winter period. Yellow will be instead of the sun on cloudy days, and black will attract the sun's rays on clear and frosty days. So the mood rises and keep warm somehow you can try.
  26. RUSS
    RUSS 23 September 2014 10: 17
    0
    It seems to me that very few people believe in the existence of Ukraine in Ukraine itself, so there is open theft and plundering, as they say - "even a flood after us."
  27. Zomanus
    Zomanus 23 September 2014 10: 20
    +2
    Well, I will join in some comments about the fact that medicine and Russia in Russia are not much better. In large cities, centers can be built, until only on the periphery everything rots with terrible speed. What kind of periphery ... Such medical centers are being opened in Vladivostok, but they still cannot build a normal city morgue. Some of the city hospitals have probably not been repaired since the date of construction. About prices too. The same Argentinean beef is exclusively in combination with offal and other subami. And it costs no cheaper than European. So do not be equal to the dying dill, it will bend without us.
  28. vigor1288
    vigor1288 23 September 2014 10: 40
    0
    Ept, everything is fine! We are falling! Let's go further!
  29. azbukin77
    azbukin77 23 September 2014 10: 44
    +1
    Ukraine is not a country, it is a huge contra camp, where the lives of its residents are not worth the hryvnia, where the ball is ruled by SS men and idiots of all kinds. EVERYTHING IS DRUGGED TO THE ROOT! Thieves in power !!!!!
  30. bubla5
    bubla5 23 September 2014 11: 32
    0
    Ukraine itself is completely launched
  31. Wolka
    Wolka 23 September 2014 11: 43
    0
    what Svidomo strove for, they now receive in full what they feel sorry for them
  32. bvi1965
    bvi1965 23 September 2014 12: 13
    +1
    Yes to paint bandages in national colors just did not come up with.
    1. builder
      builder 23 September 2014 12: 49
      0
      In Ukraine, there is another deficit. For almost half a year children have not been vaccinated against tuberculosis. The fact is that vaccines are supplied by Russian pharmaceutical companies. To fight with Russian weapons is not a bane, but to use a Russian vaccine for children is a bastard! This is called ukrology. The genocide of Ukrainians goes in all directions.
  33. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 23 September 2014 12: 59
    +1
    Hello! And what do they want! Who rules medicine? Well, not for sure doctors!
  34. mamont5
    mamont5 23 September 2014 13: 52
    0
    “Houses are painted in national colors, state flags are everywhere”

    They have not only houses, their brains are painted in yellow-black color.
  35. argon
    argon 23 September 2014 14: 29
    0
    Ukraine should change the flag colors to green. It will be possible to smear everyone with green: both patriotic and patient benefit.
  36. Mercenary
    Mercenary 23 September 2014 19: 02
    0
    Here gentlemen gay - ropeitsy what an ally awaits you! take away, in a year by yourself, there will be nothing to heal and drown and fight, and there will be no money. all soprut and that can not be so bite! fellow
  37. Fedor Andreevich
    Fedor Andreevich 30 September 2014 22: 01
    0
    Quote: omsbon
    Quote: Monetniy
    And remember the scandal in Pitier which was with the closure of the children's hospital. So let's look at what is happening behind our medicine and the country in general.

    It seems to me that it smells like "I am the daughter of an officer", also tied with a white ribbon.



    It smells nothing, we are talking about how I understood about 31 hospitals, which they really wanted to disband.