Aviation Week & Space Technology: future bombers are being created in China and Russia

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Currently, the leading countries of the world are engaged in the creation of projects of promising strategic bombers. These projects are the first since the end of the Cold War and therefore attract the attention of both specialists and the general public. On September 15, Aviation Week & Space Technology published an article Future Bombers Under Study In China And Russia, which tells about new projects of the Chinese and Russian aviation industry.

The authors Bill Sweetman and Richard D. Fisher remind that the development of the American project LRS-B, which aims to create a promising long-range bomber for the US Air Force, will only start next year. However, Russia and China have already begun to develop their projects of a similar purpose and, to date, appear to have achieved some success. The Russian project, PAK DA (Advanced Aviation Complex of Long-Range Aviation) will be the first such development since the late seventies. The Chinese bomber, in turn, will be the first aircraft of its class, created in China.

The development of the aircraft PAK DA is engaged in the company "Tupolev". The designers of this organization have worked on long-range bomber since the Second World War and have gained considerable experience. B. Sweetman and R.D. Fisher was reminded that the decision to create a new strategic bomber for the Russian Air Force was made in 2007 year. At the same time, it was decided to update the existing long-range aviation equipment so that it could fully carry out the tasks assigned to it before the appearance of new aircraft.

According to the authors of Aviation Week & Space Technology, a large number of applications were submitted for the PAK DA program competition. A variety of aircraft were offered, including super- or hypersonic missile carriers. Nevertheless, the four projects that reached the final of the competition had a different look. These were projects of subsonic aircraft, made according to the "flying wing" scheme. American journalists believe that the version of the project chosen in 2012 is the first such Russian development in which the so-called. stealth technology.

At the end of last year, it was reported that project work under the PAK DA program will start in 2014. At the same time it was announced that the first flight of the new aircraft should take place in the 2019 year, and the tests will be completed by the middle of the next decade. Thus, by the year 2023-25 it is planned to begin supplying new equipment to the troops. According to B. Sweetman and R.D. Fisher, in the development of a new bomber firm "Tupolev" will help Samara Scientific-Technical Complex. N.D. Kuznetsova, whose staff must develop a new turbojet engine. The article states that this engine will be created using the HK-32 engine units used on Tu-160 bombers.

In the open access there is almost no information about the future aircraft PAK DA. However, B. Sweetman and R.D. Fisher decided to analyze the state of Russian long-range aviation and present the appearance and prospects of the new aircraft.

According to the authors of the article Future Bombers Under Study In China And Russia, currently the Russian Air Force uses 13 Tu-160 aircraft, 63 Tu-95MS bomber and some Tu-22М3 bomber. It is noted that the Tu-95MS are the carriers of cruise missiles, and the Tu-22М3 are designed to attack aircraft carriers and ship groups of the enemy. The task of attacking ground targets is gradually removed from the Tu-22М3 and assigned to the new Su-34 front-line bombers.

In 2012, the upcoming modernization of Tu-160 bomber was announced. By the year 2020 they will be updated to the state of Tu-160M. Three years earlier, it became known about the modernization of the Tu-95MS rocket carriers to the MSM state. Both modernization projects involve the installation of new electronic equipment, designed to improve the performance of aircraft.


Tu-95MS


It is supposed to modernize not only aircraft, but also engines. In 2010, it became known about the resumption of production of NK-32 engines. The first batch of engines of the new production should be off the assembly line in 2016 year. The project was estimated at 220 million US dollars (8 billion rubles). The new engines will be used on existing Tu-160 bombers, as well as become the groundwork for the operation of PAK DA aircraft.

Bombers Tu-160 and Tu-95MS are armed with long-range cruise missiles. Since the beginning of the last decade, according to B. Sweetman and R. D. Fisher, Russia has developed two new projects of similar weapons. The first is the X-555. This rocket is an upgraded version of the product X-55. The missile is equipped with a combined inertia and radar guidance system. The second development of the last time - the X-101 rocket (X-102) with a conventional or nuclear warhead.


X-55CM missiles at Engels airbase, photo no later than 2005 (Markovskiy V., Perov K. Soviet Aviation Cruise Missiles. // Aviation and Cosmonautics, http://militaryrussia.ru)



Presumably prototypes or mock-ups of the X-101 XRUMD under the Tu-95MS board No. 317 (red), photo no later than 2007 (http://forum.keypublishing.com, http://militaryrussia.ru)


According to American journalists, the current modernization projects of Russian long-range bombers will allow them to continue operating for 5-10 years after the start of service for PAK DA aircraft. In this case, the old and new aircraft will be assigned various combat missions, depending on their characteristics and capabilities.

B. Sweetman and R.D. Fisher pay attention to the available information about the power plant bomber PAK DA. The use of units and designs for a relatively old project NK-32, in their opinion, may indicate that the Russian military are traditionally not going to hope for refueling in flight and want to get an airplane with a long range at one refueling. In addition, the new engine will not be equipped with an afterburner. In light of the available data, this allowed the authors of the article to assume that the take-off weight of the PAK DA aircraft would approach 200 tons. This, in turn, will increase the flight range and payload in comparison with existing equipment.

China is also working on its new long-range bomber. It is intended to replace in the air force and naval aviation obsolete aircraft, created on the basis of the Soviet Tu-16 bomber. The Soviet long-range bomber first flew back in the year 1952, and since the year 1959 was operated by the Chinese military. Production of a copy of the Tu-16, called the H-6 (Hong-6), was deployed at the Xian Aircraft Corporation. In the future, the H-6 bomber was repeatedly upgraded and still remains in service.

Aviation Week & Space Technology: future bombers are being created in China and Russia
Long Range Bomber TU-16


Unfortunately, specialists and the public, the Chinese leadership says almost nothing about their plans to upgrade the fleet of long-range bombers. Nevertheless, as noted by the authors of the publication Future Bombers Under Study In China And Russia, a number of statements by Chinese officials and military, as well as the available unconfirmed information suggest that China’s aviation industry is currently engaged in designing a promising bomber for the needs of the Air Force and Navy. In April last year, the foreign press, citing sources in the Chinese leadership, wrote that the new project really existed and received a designation. The start of operation of this machine is scheduled for 2025 year.

B. Sweetman and R.D. Fisher noted that this timing of the start of operation corresponds to the strategy of China. The new H-20 bomber is able to increase the potential of the Chinese armed forces in the Pacific. It can become a tool for deterring US forces within the so-called. the first chain of islands (conditional line passing through Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, etc.), as well as perform assigned tasks in more remote areas. In addition, in some cases, the new long-range aircraft will be able to assist the naval forces, which in the future should receive new aircraft carriers, deck fighters and landing ships.

Rumors about the development of a new Chinese strategic bomber have been around since the mid-nineties. Later, an opinion emerged that an airstrike on the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, produced in May 1999, could have contributed to this project. As a result of this incident, China received some debris from an American missile launched from a B-2 bomber. According to some reports, Chinese experts have studied these "trophies" and use the information obtained for their own purposes.

The second source of information on advanced American developments, which can be used in projects in China, is considered the designer Noshir Govadiya. During 18 for years, he worked at Northrop Grumman and participated in the creation of the powerplant of the B-2. In the 2011 year, N. Govadiya was sentenced to 32 years of imprisonment for spying for China. The exact amount of data transmitted by the spy engineer is still unknown. It is possible that all this information was transferred to the study of Chinese aircraft designers.

According to the authors of the article in Aviation Week & Space Technology, Xian Aircraft Corporation may be the general contractor for the H-20 project, since it was she who was engaged in the creation of modifications of the old H-6 aircraft. B. Sweetman and R.D. Fisher believes that the Chinese strategic bomber, like its Russian counterpart, will be a subsonic "flying wing".

An indirect confirmation of the existence of a new project can be considered the words of Air Force Lt. Col. U Guohui, an assistant professor at the PLA Defense Science and Technology University. In October last year, he stated that long-range bombers were again becoming a priority. According to him, in the past, China was weak with respect to the bombers, but in the future the situation should change. The country will pay due attention to new projects in the field of bomber aviation.

A little later, in December 2013, another representative of the Defense University of Science and Technology, Fu Guangwen, commented on the situation. He said that the development of Chinese bombers is facing problems in the field of materials science and engine building. In addition, he mentioned that the promising bomber of the Chinese Air Force should reach the island of Guam and India, as well as control all areas of the South China Sea. In addition, it should be invisible to the enemy’s air defenses, carry an EW complex, and use conventional and nuclear weapons.

In recent years, unverified and unconfirmed information about a promising Chinese long-range bomber has repeatedly appeared. Thus, at the beginning of 2013 and 2014, drawings appeared that depicted a certain airplane of the “flying wing” pattern. Later there was a rumor about the development of an unmanned aerial vehicle that could replace the existing strategic bombers. In May, 2013, the information appeared that the new Chinese bomber will resemble an American aircraft Convair B-58 Hustler, however, they have not received confirmation.


Xian H-6K


Until a new aircraft is created, the Chinese aviation industry continues to modernize the existing H-6 bombers. According to the authors of the article Future Bombers Under Study In China And Russia, the latest modification of this aircraft, the H-6K, received the latest radio-electronic equipment, the so-called. a glass cabin and a number of other systems, including new weapons.

According to unofficial sources, the Chinese Air Force and Naval Forces currently have X-NUMX H-130C aircraft, and by the 6, their number will grow to 2020 units. This information may indicate that the new aircraft H-180K will serve for a long time. In addition, the potential of long-range aviation will depend on the fleet of tankers. It is supposed to purchase similar equipment and build it yourself. In this case, the exact data on the draft of the new strategic bomber is still lacking.


Based on:
http://aviationweek.com/defense/future-bombers-under-study-china-and-russia
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  1. FID
    +13
    23 September 2014 09: 28
    The author was a little mistaken, there is no INERTIAL guidance system, there is an INERTIAL control system, guidance, etc. Avionics for the Tu-95MSM and Tu-160M ​​already exist, but finalizing the aircraft for these systems is still work ...
  2. +2
    23 September 2014 09: 45
    I have always been fascinated by beauty, yes, yes it is beauty and the power of our aircraft! smile
  3. -4
    23 September 2014 10: 34
    And what else is the need for long-range aviation?
    1. +4
      23 September 2014 16: 09
      Quote: onega67
      And what else is the need for long-range aviation?

      actually yes ... because after the prohibition of the RSD, long-range aviation occupied their niche.
    2. +2
      27 September 2014 11: 31
      Quote: onega67
      And what else is the need for long-range aviation?


      No of course there is no need fool , it's just that they play with toys, they don't know where to invest money, so they decided to make one more long-range "bombard". And if seriously long-range aviation, along with nuclear weapons and the submarine fleet, is our guarantor of stability and existence in general.
  4. +6
    23 September 2014 10: 36
    on September 5 Aviation Week & Space Technology published an article called Future Bombers Under Study In China And Russia (“Future bombers are being created in China and Russia”), which talks about new projects by the Chinese and Russian aviation industries.


    Another lobbying article in the spirit - "Give me money or we'll be lost."
    1. FID
      +3
      23 September 2014 10: 42
      Excuse me, who is lobbying? And as for the loss ... In principle, we have already disappeared, but we still need to work. We must at least preserve what is ...
      1. 0
        23 September 2014 12: 09
        The authors of the article, Bill Sweetman and Richard D. Fisher, recall that the development of the American LRS-B project, which aims to create a promising long-range bomber for the US Air Force, will start only next year.


        It is no secret that lobbying in the United States is legalized and carried out by various methods, including applying pressure through the media. In whose particular interests do these gentlemen work, I find it difficult to say. It is clear that in the interests of their aviation industry hi
        1. FID
          +1
          23 September 2014 12: 12
          Since it is written in your first post about the Russian Federation and China, then .... Everything is clear about the States ...
      2. 0
        24 September 2014 02: 04
        Excuse me, who is lobbying? And as for the loss ... In principle, we have already disappeared, but we still need to work. We must at least preserve what is ...

        Sorry, have you read the article? Its name is "Aviation Week & Space Technology: bombers of the future are being created in China and Russia." Accordingly, "they" are lobbying. Those who always lobby. Contributed by Bill Sweetman and Richard D. Fisher. Although they SAVSE did not "disappear".
  5. 0
    23 September 2014 10: 41
    It seems to me that the need to adopt a new strategic bomber should be due to the increased combat capabilities of aircraft weapons. The time of unpunished bombing and carpet bombing is gradually becoming a thing of the past and what is possible in the fight against ISIS in Iraq and Syria will lead to huge losses if the enemy has modern air defense systems. Aviation should be not only and not so effective as effective. Unless a weapon is created that has a range that allows it to hit a target without entering its anti-aircraft defense zone, which has a speed close to hypersonic and high accuracy of destruction, I, for example, see no reason for the presence of strategic bomber aircraft.
    Experience shows that such a problem exists.
    1. FID
      +6
      23 September 2014 10: 47
      Quote: rubin6286
      Unless a weapon is created that has a range that allows it to hit a target without entering its anti-aircraft defense zone, which has a speed close to hypersonic and high accuracy of destruction, I, for example, see no reason for the presence of strategic bomber aircraft.

      The launch range of modern KR (X-55, X-102) 2000-3000, what kind of air defense are you talking about? The hypersound has already snapped up ... If you drop a wrench from outer space, you will get hypersound near the earth ...
      1. +3
        23 September 2014 13: 13
        If you drop a wrench from space, you’ll get hypersound near the earth ...
        Will not work. It will turn out hyper-pshshshshik. It burns in the atmosphere. To get to the surface, you need to drop something more massive
        wassat
        1. FID
          +3
          23 September 2014 13: 21
          I agree, let it be massive and with ablation protection, but with HYPERSONIC. Yes, here one figure last year jumped from the stratosphere with a parachute, reached supersonic ...
        2. +2
          23 September 2014 14: 06
          Quote: abrakadabre
          To get to the surface, you need to drop something more massive

          Dumbbells, big ... and better weight!
          1. 0
            23 September 2014 21: 37
            Quote: Bayonet
            better weight
            Even dvuhpudovka will not reach, if not made of refractories.
        3. 0
          24 September 2014 02: 16
          need to drop something more massive

          like scrap from depleted uranium? or tungsten alloy?
      2. 0
        23 September 2014 14: 04
        Quote: SSI
        If you drop a wrench from space, you’ll get hypersound near the earth ...

        Will it fly, will not burn?
        1. +1
          26 September 2014 01: 07
          Well, if you throw without a sweep .... it will fly ... :-)
      3. 0
        23 September 2014 15: 31
        Cruise missiles, including the X-55 and X-102 are guaranteed to be destroyed by missile defense of American AUGs, and the longer their flight, the better, because their speed is comparatively slow. If hostilities begin, then AUG will not come closer to 700 km. I myself flew and I know that I am writing, but I thought that you also know about it. You don’t need to write stupid things. In the case of a wrench, no hypersound will work, it will completely burn out or melt strongly in the dense layers of the atmosphere.
        1. FID
          +1
          23 September 2014 15: 36
          Quote: rubin6286
          Cruise missiles, including the X-55 and X-102 are guaranteed to be destroyed by missile defense of American AUG

          And who gives a guarantee? I’m not writing nonsense, I don’t like this, but about autopilots that are standing in the heads of missiles, have you heard anything, and about the possibility of breaking through any missile defense?
          1. +1
            23 September 2014 22: 14
            Quote: SSI
            But about the autopilots that stand in the heads of the rockets, have you heard anything, and about the possibilities of breaking through any missile defense?


            good drinks Everything has its time.
        2. +1
          23 September 2014 23: 45
          including X-55 and X-102

          Just to remind everyone that these missiles are not against aug but for ground targets
          They won’t fall under the auspicious launch from far northern regions (that is, the carriers themselves are not threatened by air defense) - in general, it’s difficult to detect them on thousands of kilometers — most likely to detect them when approaching target areas and bring down air defense of a city or region

          about 700 km I agree - therefore, against augs, new missiles are being developed instead of x 22 for the latest modifications of Tu 22 - so that planes do not enter this zone
        3. Andrey Ivanov
          0
          24 September 2014 12: 34
          and how to get to the center of AUG?
  6. +1
    23 September 2014 10: 46
    Tu-160 - the world's most powerful and largest combat aircraft
    Performance characteristics
    Crew: 4 person
    Length: 54,1 m
    Wingspan: 55,7 / 50,7 / 35,6 m
    Height: 13,1 m
    Wing area: 232 m²
    Empty weight: 110000 kg
    Normal takeoff weight: 267600 kg
    Maximum takeoff weight: 275000 kg
    Engines: 4 × TRDDF NK-32
    Thrust max: 4 × 18000 kgf
    Afterburner Rod: 4 × 25000 kgf
    Mass of fuel, kg 148000
    Flight characteristics
    Top speed at altitude: 2230 km / h (1,87М) [47]
    Cruising speed: 917 km / h (0,77 M)
    Maximum range without refueling: 13950 km
    Practical range without refueling: 12300 km
    Combat radius: 6000 km
    Flight duration: 25 h
    Service ceiling: 21000 m
    Rate of climb: 4400 m / min
    Takeoff / Run Length: 900 / 2000 m
    Wing load:
    with maximum take-off weight: 1185 kg / m²
    with normal take-off weight: 1150 kg / m²
    Thrust:
    with maximum take-off weight: 0,37
    normal take-off weight: 0,36
    1. FID
      +5
      23 September 2014 10: 55
      Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
      Flight duration: 25 h

      It's all the same with refueling, the usual duration is 13-14 hours ..
    2. FID
      +4
      23 September 2014 11: 56
      By the way, this is the first strategist who has (at the design stage) a kitchen and toilet, not a bucket and not bio ... but a normal toilet. In the 80s it looked I will give those ....
      1. +2
        23 September 2014 14: 09
        Quote: SSI
        By the way, this is the first strategist who has (at the design stage) a kitchen and toilet,

        Thank God they remembered that a man, besides thoughts about the high, is also prone to send natural necessities!
      2. 0
        23 September 2014 22: 36
        Quote: SSI
        By the way, this is the first strategist who has (at the design stage) a kitchen and toilet, not a bucket and not bio ... but a normal toilet. In the 80s it looked I will give those ..


        What was something was ...

        A whole battle flared up around the toilet: for several months the Air Force refused to take the aircraft into service due to the discrepancy of its TTZ design (polyethylene bags were used in the toilet that were melted after use; the complaints were about a welder that gave an leaky seam). The customer, feeling his rights, began to show unprecedented integrity, and the Air Force Commander even threatened to turn to the military prosecutor's office if these shortcomings were not eliminated.

        On the M-55, the toilet turned out to be much more difficult, not getting up, not getting warm. Although the microwave oven for heating food was still.
    3. 0
      24 September 2014 03: 28
      Something kind of crap comes out -
      Maximum takeoff weight: 275000 kg
      minus - fuel mass, kg 148000
      minus - empty weight: 110000 kg
      = 275000-148000-110000 = 17000 ??
      Only 17 tons? do you even delve into those columns of bukof and digits that you copy and post here?
      Actually, here it is necessary for the specialist to explain, in pedivics it is written so, but how actually x. knows -
      Maximum combat load, t
      tu160 - 45 (where, if by arithmetic 17)
      v1v - 34 +22,7 on the external suspension, 56.7 tons or what? Omerekans seem to have recently written that they have 34 land and subsonic sonic aircraft, and now its speed has grown - 2300 versus 2250 for that 160 and the maximum load has increased by 22 tons. Did they quietly stick the motors from the Bruce Willis shuttle?
      It’s interesting how they managed to fly faster, pull more by almost the same distance, and even with a total engine thrust of about half less than that of the Tu160. The laws of physics, as it were, have not been canceled, or am I sick on this day ??
      pedivics link -
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ту-160#.D0.9B.D1.91.D1.82.D0.BD.D1.8B.D0.B5_.D1.

      85.D0.B0.D1.80.D0.B0.D0.BA.D1.82.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.B8.D1.81.D1.82.D0.B8.D0.BA.D0.B8
      1. 0
        24 September 2014 20: 33
        I myself do not really believe this data. But I took the data from Wikipedia
  7. +1
    23 September 2014 10: 53
    While they are scratching, I will introduce "light elves" we will launch a flying aircraft carrier with a vigorous Kirov reactor.
  8. +1
    23 September 2014 11: 12
    Quote: bmv04636
    While they are scratching, I will introduce "light elves" we will launch a flying aircraft carrier with a vigorous Kirov reactor.

    Flying is not cool enough. It is necessary that he still dives to the bottom of the oceans and can go into the near space. Then we will defeat everyone feel
    1. 0
      23 September 2014 11: 25
      Not only did he dive but could pass through the earth (banter banter about Kirov too)
  9. 0
    23 September 2014 12: 59
    ... glass cabin ...

    It is very cool!
    1. FID
      +1
      23 September 2014 13: 04
      So, I wrote above that it is still work to modify airplanes, and to retrain the pilots ... "Glass cockpit" is not a panacea, it must get used and get used to ...
  10. 0
    23 September 2014 15: 20
    Guys announced that a new cruise missile for the Navy was tested. Someone can explain in more detail what kind of beast? hi http://warfiles.ru/show-69119-novaya-krylataya-raketa-dlya-vmf-rf-proshla-gosisp
    ytaniya.html
  11. 0
    23 September 2014 16: 22
    The problem of long-range hypersonic cruise missiles will arise at full height. Zircon? Onyx new avolution? Well, this, immediately after ensuring the safety of the pepelats itself: it will be a painfully expensive "toy". Laser gun or tunnel gun?
  12. 0
    23 September 2014 16: 46
    And yet I would not refuse a supersonic one that could go out into the stratosphere in favor of a subtle slow-moving.
  13. 0
    23 September 2014 19: 34
    And still, an exit into outer space would not hurt
    1. 0
      23 September 2014 22: 03
      and access to deep space would not hurt - on Mars, for example, the MARS liquid-salt nuclear reactor project is already available at http://energetika.in.ua/ru/books/book-4/part-1/section-7/7-1
      power is really small - only 16MW
  14. 0
    26 September 2014 20: 47
    The Chinese will soon not have to create, Russia itself will give :(
  15. waggish
    0
    27 September 2014 16: 55
    Well, let them try!
  16. 0
    9 October 2014 00: 06
    Quote: bmv04636
    While they are scratching, I will introduce "light elves" we will launch a flying aircraft carrier with a vigorous Kirov reactor.

    Better is a discoplane, its speed is greater than that of an airship
  17. 0
    9 October 2014 00: 08
    http://esoreiter.ru/index.php?id=0214/nemeckie_diskoplany_i_korabli_prishelcev.h
    tm & dat = news & list = 02.2014
  18. 0
    9 October 2014 00: 15
    Quote: bmv04636
    While they are scratching, I will introduce "light elves" we will launch a flying aircraft carrier with a vigorous Kirov reactor.

    Better is a discoplane - its speed is greater than that of an airship
  19. 0
    9 October 2014 00: 20
    flying and floating saucer with a diameter of 81.5m
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  20. 0
    11 October 2014 20: 36
    helicopter-diskoplan-amphibian vertical take-off can be performed according to the coaxial scheme, with two coaxial disks of counter-rotation and scapular crowns along the perimeters of the disks. A nacelle with horizontal-axis turbojet engines is located between the coaxial disks. The exhaust of the engines is directed into the space between the coaxial disks and is shielded by coaxial thermal guided missile disks. Coaxial disks form the Buseman biplane wings. (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Buseman Biplane)
    After a vertical take-off, the crowns rotate to a zero angle of attack - to a horizontal plane. At a cruising speed of 1,1 to Mach 1,7, the shock wave is suppressed and the resistance drops by half.
  21. 0
    14 October 2014 23: 15
    supersonic disco biplane with an overall diameter of 56m
  22. 0
    14 October 2014 23: 24
    the disc biplane is equipped with coaxial blade crowns of oncoming rotation, as well as an active phased circular array antenna array. capable of vertical take-off and landing on water. Due to supersonic speed, it will not be easy to catch up with it.
  23. 0
    26 December 2014 15: 20
    Maybe I have something, I don’t understand, in the concept of long-range aviation. But in my opinion, an amateur, the task of long-range aviation is not to hang out in the sky for 25 hours, but to take off at a command, quickly fly into a given square, breaking through enemy air defense, bombing, or launching missiles, and return to your airfield! Tracking and surveillance must be handled by other planes and satellites. Accordingly, in order to quickly be in a given square, you need a hypersonic bomber. Walking at an altitude of 35-40 kilometers, in a given square, it decreases, produces combat operations, gains altitude, switching to supersonic, and returns to the base. That's his whole task, but with the maximum possible range. And what they offer. This is again an attempt at the American experience. Past wars, transferred to our long-range aviation, we must go ahead, and not copy other people's experience, let them catch up!
  24. 0
    26 December 2014 23: 59
    Quote: Silence
    the task of long-range aviation is not to hang out in the sky for 25 hours, but to take off at a command and fly quickly into a given square

    since the flight time of enemy missiles to our airfields can be less than 5 minutes, carriers of air-based ballistic missiles (BRVZ) are required that can take off 1 minute after receiving a command and be in the air for more than 25 hours - then they will be invulnerable. And it will not be the carrier but the ballistic missile itself that will fly into the given square - see http://warfiles.ru/show-76817-vozdushnyy-start-mbr-40-let-spustya.html
    1. 0
      30 December 2014 02: 31
      The fact that they must take off before they are covered, no one argues! And here is the fact that the missile carrier is in the air. vulnerable, not only for air defense, but also for fighters, that's for sure, there are as many examples as they shot down passenger planes, therefore. need tropospheric altitude, and speed comparable to a rocket! Ballistic missiles are certainly good, but they mean mine-based, you can’t squeeze one on a missile carrier, but everything that is smaller has a shorter range, respectively, the missile carrier should go into the given square, and from there the rocket will fly, and it will return to the airfield, for next hotel!
  25. 0
    30 December 2014 20: 51
    Quote: Silence
    airborne missile carrier. vulnerable, not only for air defense, but also for fighters

    An airborne missile carrier can cut circles over Siberia at a speed of 800 km / h, an altitude of 8 km and above, in uninhabited places above the taiga. Enemy fighter-interceptors still need to fly to Siberia .. There is no air defense there. The main thing for him is to have time to take off in time, until the warheads arrive at his base airfield, and then look for him-fistulas over Siberia. Then you can land / splash down anywhere in the world - an on-board nuclear power plant allows, or, if necessary, an air launch of ICBMs from the barrage area - see http://topwar.ru/65707-vozdushnyy-start-mbr-40-let- spustya.html
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      31 December 2014 19: 22
      From the vastness of Siberia, the AUG cannot be sunk in case of hostilities. it will constantly change course and speed. Therefore, after the intersection, you need to quickly go to the desired square, launch the missiles, and quickly leave. And for ground targets, it is best to work with ballistic missiles. You can also apply the option that you gave in the link. As far as I remember, this option is used, the rocket from the Ruslan is thrown out on the hill, after which it turns on the engines and puts the satellite into space. And the airfield can be completely replaced by a highway of sufficient length, at least the fighters landed on it. so, the main goal of such missile carriers is to prevent enemy ships from approaching possible landing zones, fly into a given square, descend, launch missiles, "Onyx" or "Granite", or any others, and leave the affected area. And to hang for 25 hours, over Siberia, I do not see much sense, no one knows when there will be a command to use missiles, and the development of a resource, and wear and tear of equipment, but no one is going to cancel regular flights for training and training launches!