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Poroshenko told CNN about his son-hero ...

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While on a visit to the United States, ukroprezident Peter Poroshenko told on the TV channel CNN sentimental history, which tells about the "feat" of his son - 29-year-old Alexei Poroshenko. According to the head of Ukraine, his eldest son went to the zone of the "ATO" (quote) to "resist the aggressor" voluntarily.

Poroshenko told CNN about his son-hero ...Poroshenko-father adds that Poroshenko-son not only participates in the "ATO", but also commands an artillery unit. At the same time, Poroshenko-son told his father how in his unit only in the last three weeks several soldiers were injured. And only by "lucky chance" the "commander" himself remained safe and sound.

The invulnerability of Aleksey Poroshenko, the “commander of artillery units”, allows him to enter the list of candidates for deputies of the Verkhovna Rada from Blok Petro Poroshenko. This invulnerability gives reason to think about whether Alexey Petrovich is commanding his unit, for example, through the “iPhone-6”? ..
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  1. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 19 September 2014 17: 12
    +38
    Somehow like this...
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 19 September 2014 17: 17
      +57
      Poroshenko-father adds that Poroshenko son not just involved


      In life, probably specific jack; visible on the face.
      1. dvornic
        dvornic 19 September 2014 17: 30
        +8
        You + definitely!
        1. VICTOR-61
          VICTOR-61 19 September 2014 21: 26
          +19
          Yes, the bucket likes to anneal and beg, and the son can be seen as a slob for some such non-combatants, such people travel abroad and he needs Ukraine
      2. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 19 September 2014 17: 32
        +10
        Yes, just what a dodik from. I can’t boast of a heroic charisma, but he yes ...
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      4. Foxmara
        Foxmara 19 September 2014 17: 56
        +15
        the boy definitely did not hold anything heavier than an iPhone
        1. GRANATE-19
          GRANATE-19 19 September 2014 19: 13
          +5
          Quote: Foxmara
          the boy definitely did not hold anything heavier than an iPhone

          ... and a glass of chardonnay ...
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        3. asar
          asar 19 September 2014 19: 46
          +7
          Quote: Foxmara
          the boy definitely did not hold anything heavier than an iPhone

          You're right! Just "boy-major"! "Spetsnaz" Cote d'Azur!
          "Commander" of the artillery crew! Do not make me laugh!!! BOY MAJEURE! ("PARQUET", (future) general, ugh, your mother, "warrior" fucking!)
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 20 September 2014 10: 36
            +3
            Quote: asar
            "Commander" of the artillery crew!

            So Parashkin passed his son. People are looking for who specifically shells cities and villages. And then it turns out to be my dad’s son, with his friends and under dad’s directions.
            Poroshenko-son not only participates in the ATO, but also commands the artillery unit.
      5. RUSS
        RUSS 19 September 2014 18: 01
        +15
        Quote: subbtin.725
        In life, probably a specific nest; in the face you can see.


        Judging by the erysipelas, as young people say, they’re very specific, my mother’s son would play his family at the violin at home, and he went to the Donbass, if he’s there it’s pure water an ostentatious game of patriotism, here Prince Harry is a staff officer in Afghanistan who managed the turntable and was on sorties, but this is interesting what is doing in the Southeast?
        1. asadov
          asadov 19 September 2014 18: 12
          +6
          by the appearance of the lips, he is fighting in the wrong place
          1. lupus
            lupus 19 September 2014 22: 18
            0
            It is not otherwise that the whole Gay club son Son Gutters escorted to the front by combat Pendergasting to work out the order.
        2. persei
          persei 19 September 2014 19: 30
          +2
          and what are they doing ... kill civilians from howitzers ...
        3. a52333
          a52333 19 September 2014 19: 33
          +1
          Quote: RUSS
          Prince Harry, a staff officer in Afghanistan, controlled the turntable and was on combat missions,

          Hear the opinion of his colleagues in a private conversation under a glass of beer ...
          Something tells me that these are wrestlers of the same unit.
          Only about one true shield with white thread ...
        4. Bersaglieri
          Bersaglieri 19 September 2014 21: 51
          +1
          He did not go anywhere. He hangs out with his young wife either in London or in Shanghai (in the apartments bought by his dad). In the non-dusty position of "the third adviser in the diplomatic mission."
          Everything is corny.
          1. DRA-88
            DRA-88 19 September 2014 21: 54
            +1
            Quote: Bersaglieri
            He did not go anywhere. He hangs out with his young wife either in London or in Shanghai (in the apartments bought by his dad). In the non-dusty position of "the third adviser in the diplomatic mission."
            Everything is corny.


            It would be strange if it were different! lol
        5. raf
          raf 19 September 2014 21: 54
          +1
          and he went to the Donbass,
          Do you really believe that he went to the Donbass ?!
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      7. GRANATE-19
        GRANATE-19 19 September 2014 19: 10
        +3
        Quote: subbtin.725
        In life, probably a specific nest; in the face you can see.

        You are about a son or a father, although what's the difference comrade ...
      8. SVAROGE
        SVAROGE 19 September 2014 19: 58
        +1
        Not a word ...., and Mr. Ida, and you can see ...! )))
    2. Krasnoarmeec
      Krasnoarmeec 19 September 2014 17: 46
      +25
      So, I found on the net that I don't even see a hint of a military school, and if such "specialists" command the ukrovoinami .... then everything falls into place soldier .

      Political ambitions
      The son of the current Minister of Economics, Petro Poroshenko, Alexei, worked for a diplomatic service in China for a year and a half, and in mid-2011 resigned. According to Censor.NET, Ukrainian Foreign Ministry was informed about this in response to an information request. According to the answer, in June 2011 he was dismissed of his own free will from the position of vice consul of the economic affairs department at the Consulate General in Shanghai at the age of 26.

      He received his first appointment and business trips to China in January 2010, and from that time until August 2010 he served as Deputy Head of the Trade and Economic Mission at the Consulate General in Shanghai. From August 2010 to September 2010 he was acting Deputy Head of the Trade and Economic Mission of the Consulate General. From September 2010 to June 2011 he was vice-consul of the economic affairs department of the Consulate General. As you know, Alexei was educated at the Institute of International Relations in 2008, and he also graduated from the London School of Economics and Politics sciences.
      1. Password
        Password 19 September 2014 19: 09
        +4
        Deputy Head, and. about. deputy head, vice consul - what are the bread places, and besides, there is no need to answer for anything, not the head. And such papenkin special "in command of an artillery unit"? He smiled, does he know which side to load the cannon from? PR of pure water, for the plebs.
        1. persei
          persei 19 September 2014 19: 32
          +1
          That would be him together with the unit captured !!!! then daddy and you can dictate ...
      2. asar
        asar 19 September 2014 19: 51
        +2
        "commander" fucking! (Forgive the members of the forum, well, they just "got" the "parquet" "officers" who are "ALWAYS AND EVERYWHERE"!)
      3. St.
        St. 19 September 2014 20: 03
        0
        Krasava this is true !!!!!
    3. nika407
      nika407 19 September 2014 18: 18
      +9
      @IA_REGNUM "Warring in the Donbass" son of Poroshenko was seen in London http://info.sibnet.ru/?id=389546
    4. GSH-18
      GSH-18 19 September 2014 23: 35
      +2
      The invulnerability of Aleksey Poroshenko, the “commander of artillery units”, allows him to enter the list of candidates for deputies of the Verkhovna Rada from Blok Petro Poroshenko. This invulnerability gives reason to think about whether Alexey Petrovich is commanding his unit, for example, through the “iPhone-6”? ..

      Most likely, the "commander" of the "artillery unit" is in command of the clubhouse in Ibiza. And for him, 40-year-old men, pulled out of the family by the next wave of conscription, are puffed up in the ATO!
    5. vitamin923
      vitamin923 20 September 2014 00: 22
      +3
      And I think that after such a statement, you need to include him (Poroshenko-son) in the list of war criminals. (as far as I know, artillery shot cities with civilians, which means that he is also to blame for the death of civilians). angry And just because a simple man will say, I give birth to a pancake, it’s definitely not a warrior, some fagot. laughing
  2. psychologist
    psychologist 19 September 2014 17: 12
    +12
    ahaha !! Well, a zombie storyteller! everything hangs noodles !! which country is such a president !!
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 19 September 2014 17: 15
      +12
      Straight family of heroes some.
      1. avt
        avt 19 September 2014 17: 24
        +7
        Quote: subbtin.725
        Direct a family of heroes of some sort.

        Why didn’t Papik reward ?? Mabut in front of the heroine is looking for gifts. However, it’s not Yakov Dzhugashvili, it’s certainly not Sergeyev.
      2. BoBkaTyumen
        BoBkaTyumen 19 September 2014 17: 56
        +8
        And the head like Semenchenko ... I did not look to see the folder
  3. dmitrii35
    dmitrii35 19 September 2014 17: 14
    +17
    Gunner lousy! If you really commanded ... Then under trebunal on suspicion of killing civilians !!! Well, his son’s dad promotes politics. He creates an image!
  4. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 19 September 2014 17: 14
    +15
    Oh p.zdit ......
    (well, just no more words) ....
  5. Styx
    Styx 19 September 2014 17: 15
    +3
    the whole world is a theater, and the people in it are actors, and some also :(
    1. absurdity
      absurdity 19 September 2014 19: 07
      +6
      The whole world is a theater and only Ukraine is a circus
  6. samoletil18
    samoletil18 19 September 2014 17: 15
    +14
    Poroshenko-son not only participates in the ATO, but also commands the artillery unit
    The most long-range, and from the rear.
    Poroshenko-son told his father how in his unit only in the last three weeks several soldiers were injured. And only by “lucky coincidence” the “commander” himself remained safe and sound.
    Driving drunk and stoned in a Lamborghini car in Monaco.
    1. asar
      asar 19 September 2014 19: 57
      +2
      "Good" "commander"! Potroshenko, stsuka, your son Bastard, Monster, CATTLE!
  7. igor1981
    igor1981 19 September 2014 17: 16
    +4
    Well, so modestly-artillery unit, I would say to all ATOs, wassat
  8. vorobey
    vorobey 19 September 2014 17: 17
    +21
    but also commands the artillery unit
    you don’t need to go any further .... Donetsk residents have called you one of those who kill your children ...
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 19 September 2014 17: 21
      +7
      Quote: vorobey
      .. Donetsk residents have called you one of those who kill your children ..


      That would be someone to captivate. From the dungeons of the Gestapo it would be possible to barter all.
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 19 September 2014 17: 55
        +3
        Quote: subbtin.725
        That would captivate someone

        From Donetsk to Courchevel far.
        1. Akvadra
          Akvadra 19 September 2014 19: 12
          +2
          Quote: samoletil18
          Quote: subbtin.725
          That would captivate someone

          From Donetsk to Courchevel far.

          Elusive Joe, damn it! In Courchevel it was even easier to captivate - a snowboard on a pumpkin. Only who needs it ?! On daddy, and so enough leverage. Comparison with Jacob, I consider unacceptable!
  9. shinobi
    shinobi 19 September 2014 17: 18
    +5
    Now I understand why the APU was robbed of the militias. Because the whole dill army guarded the son of the protector. Lord! Does anyone else believe this clown! Slap me, I want to wake up from this bloody nightmare.
  10. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 19 September 2014 17: 19
    +32
    The road to the Donbass was very long

    shorter left, lost half way wassat
  11. VSZMK
    VSZMK 19 September 2014 17: 19
    +2
    There all through Facebook command.
    1. Renat
      Renat 19 September 2014 17: 40
      +2
      Only with iPhone 6 or whatever it is, bust. He just started selling today. Or the most powerful dill industry has already mastered the production of such things.
  12. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 19 September 2014 17: 20
    +54
    Yes, they went our holiday !!! drinks At the OJSC "Shipbuilding Plant" Severnaya Verf "in St. Petersburg, the lead frigate of project 22350" Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov "has finally installed the first serial sample of the 130-mm artillery mount A-192M.



    The photo shows that it is already demagnetized, which means that most likely no serious work is expected. That is, a month later, access to the sea for testing. Maybe (Lord, hear my prayers) our Navy will receive this long-suffering ship this year.
    This is NEW, so is news, and not some dull Ukrainian nonsense PARASHA with its great age-old obtuse major. good
    1. avt
      avt 19 September 2014 17: 28
      +7
      good
      Quote: Novel 1977
      The photo shows that it is already demagnetized, which means that most likely no serious work is expected. That is, a month later, access to the sea for testing. Maybe (Lord, hear my prayers) our Navy will receive this long-suffering ship this year.
      Ufff! Well finally! And then he has already grown to the wall! It’s time in the sea - okyan!
    2. Eggor
      Eggor 19 September 2014 17: 34
      +17
      Quote: Novel 1977
      This is NEWS, so news

      And another interesting thing is Admiral Lazarev in the dock. Really ...

      1. avt
        avt 19 September 2014 17: 36
        +9
        Quote: EgGor
        And another interesting thing is Admiral Lazarev in the dock. Really ...

        Spit through the left! Jinx it! goodWhat if the truth is not on the needles!? That would be a gift!
      2. surovts.valery
        surovts.valery 19 September 2014 17: 51
        +6
        And another interesting thing is Admiral Lazarev in the dock. Really ...
        Judging by the fog, the photo is not current. Tomorrow I’ll go see if it’s in place.
        1. Eggor
          Eggor 19 September 2014 18: 00
          +5
          Quote: surovts.valery
          Judging by the fog, the photo is not current.
          Quote: avt
          What if the truth is not on the needle
          I would like to believe ...
          Under the spoiler another photo from the air base:
      3. Bersaglieri
        Bersaglieri 19 September 2014 21: 55
        +1
        20 PU "Granites" - on the UKSK for 140 "Calibers" / "Onyx"
        Zehr gut!
      4. skeket
        skeket 19 September 2014 22: 44
        +4
        Quote: EgGor
        And another interesting thing is Admiral Lazarev in the dock. Really ...

        Japan mom !!! If this is true, I will ride for joy, like some kind of possessed dill. For me, the Eagles are the pride of the Russian fleet! Although they are expensive to modernize and attendants, the possession of such ships is a sign of the highest class in the Navy of any country.
        PS. Although the Varangian is a decent cruiser, but at the Pacific Fleet the flagship should be Lazarev
    3. The Art of War
      The Art of War 19 September 2014 17: 35
      +5
      Yes Roman is a holiday drinks These frigates need 12 ships for each fleet. yes
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 September 2014 17: 50
        +2
        Well, twelve may not be necessary (I want the "Leader", which is the destroyer) but ... who will count them for you :))) drinks
    4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 September 2014 17: 49
      +7
      AAAaaaaaaaaaa, yes really? !!!!!
      So really, and "Peliment-Redoubt" finished yet? (escape for beer) drinks
  13. Barakuda
    Barakuda 19 September 2014 17: 20
    +13
    Well, Jewish.ee siblings, as already got ... am
  14. ybrcfy27
    ybrcfy27 19 September 2014 17: 20
    +4
    And give fat to the hero? Comparing something with the char.
    1. spech
      spech 19 September 2014 18: 26
      0
      And give fat to the hero?

      but religion fat does not prohibit this (censorship)?
  15. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 19 September 2014 17: 21
    +7
    And the faces of the face are disgusting to look disgusting.
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 19 September 2014 17: 29
      +1
      Quote: B.T.W.
      And the faces of the face are disgusting to look disgusting.


      Universal contempt.
  16. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 19 September 2014 17: 22
    +6
    Well, again, the wedding in the Robin-LITTLE ARTELLER! Gee-s-s! wassat
  17. Korvin1000
    Korvin1000 19 September 2014 17: 23
    +1
    This is good that told. Now we need to catch it.
  18. Shuttle
    Shuttle 19 September 2014 17: 23
    +1
    Quote: VSZMK
    There all through Facebook command.

    For sure! And via Twitter.
  19. Sergey Vl.
    Sergey Vl. 19 September 2014 17: 24
    +1
    And whom does Parashenko Sr. mean by the name "aggressor"? Does he really think that his offspring is heroically opposing the Russian Armed Forces? Go ... from ... Then it's a diagnosis.
  20. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 19 September 2014 17: 26
    +1
    Perhaps dad will reward his volunteer commander with a medal. Why should I read these crap! am Indeed, dad is lying and does not blush. He would have placed a military infirmary in his residence so that everyone would understand what kind of patriot the devil sent them.
  21. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 19 September 2014 17: 26
    +2
    Shows his son how to cling, beg and fawn, catching any random look of the US president and immediately smile. Ugh, shame, damn it. Not a Slav you are more ... not a Slav!
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 19 September 2014 17: 38
      +13


      I did not expect from Dyuzhev. However ...
      1. sas78
        sas78 19 September 2014 17: 51
        +1
        so this is not the whole beau monde ... there will still be roofing felts - pid ... he himself has no peace !!!
      2. Bro 3-12
        Bro 3-12 19 September 2014 18: 09
        +3
        deprive citizenship !!
        1. abdrah
          abdrah 19 September 2014 19: 03
          +3
          "revoke citizenship !!"
          - Piss and set fire, at least! Well, or in reverse order, at worst ..
      3. persei
        persei 19 September 2014 20: 00
        +2
        snickering ... and imagining themselves to be prophets
    2. SVAROGE
      SVAROGE 19 September 2014 20: 13
      +2
      Where did you see the Slav ..?!
      There on the "scoreboard" all the ins and outs ...!
  22. Prager
    Prager 19 September 2014 17: 27
    +3
    Yes, no, his son on the couch is at war on the tablet on the tablet. A divan commander-rambo. am
  23. EvaFerrari
    EvaFerrari 19 September 2014 17: 28
    +2
    Papkin's joy ... How not to boast of such. Ugh, found something to be proud of, caramel
  24. sv68
    sv68 19 September 2014 17: 28
    0
    actually, the interview was published in the book "fairy tales from the porashka" but some shameless journalists do not want to admit it laughing and there, on the way, new fabulous news — for example, the USA — are giving way to the Krajina Mariana Trench, with the right to immediately populate it!
  25. albi77
    albi77 19 September 2014 17: 29
    +1
    Okay, let's not even joke about the Cote d'Azur battalion ...

    but the question is ... what did the army get to if the sons with an economic education (not even a mathematical one!) command artillery ...
    he finally studied mathematics at the right level? I'm not talking about tactics and military affairs?

    Although, on the other hand, when shells fly into residential buildings, it thinks or shoots hunks or specially ...
    1. Alekseev-av
      Alekseev-av 19 September 2014 19: 35
      0
      So I think economics is economics, but in artillery, mathematics is paramount! Although in RViA there are many other posts where the junior parashka will fit! For example, the calculation number)))
    2. ded10041948
      ded10041948 19 September 2014 22: 23
      0
      Interestingly, he distinguishes a panorama from a quadrant? I don’t even stutter about building a fan.
  26. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 19 September 2014 17: 30
    +1
    Shows his son how to cling, beg and fawn, catching any random look of the US president and immediately smile. Ugh, shame, damn it. Not a Slav you are more ... not a Slav!
  27. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 19 September 2014 17: 30
    +1
    Well, I think this heroic offspring deserves to be awarded the title of Hero of Ukraine, the new composition of the Verkhovna Rada is at the first meeting, it is out of turn to consider this issue of conferring the title of Hero on a colleague, thereby glad to raise its prestige in the eyes of the dill people the participation of such a hero famous for his exploits on the fronts of the ATO, in decisions of the fate of the people of the legendary Dill.
  28. The Art of War
    The Art of War 19 September 2014 17: 31
    +1
    laughing I know why a bastard flew to the United States, his Obama will escort and send him to fight
  29. horoh
    horoh 19 September 2014 17: 31
    +5
    Well, a pig, well, and a storyteller !!!! And the youngest, judging by the physiognomy, is really a n.a. real.
    1. Rocket
      Rocket 19 September 2014 18: 43
      +1
      All this in one word: disgusting.
  30. Bor
    Bor 19 September 2014 17: 33
    +3
    At least one photo on Google, not to mention a video, with a "hero" on the front line? No, I didn't find ...
  31. RuS0203
    RuS0203 19 September 2014 17: 37
    +2
    Tales from Parashka)
  32. firevvs
    firevvs 19 September 2014 17: 39
    +4
    What a terrible son he is and is not proportional to his appearance! :)))

    Petya does the right thing, that pulls his son in a rad, as a result of both hang on the square later)
  33. Passer
    Passer 19 September 2014 17: 39
    0
    Does Aleksey Petrovich command his unit, for example, through iPhone-6? ..

    And from the Cote d'Azur, from the hotel, and certainly by free Wi-Fi.
  34. Aydar
    Aydar 19 September 2014 17: 43
    +7
    How can he "command artillery" if he does not even know what a compass is and has never studied at a military school and most likely did not hold a shell in his hands? Evono's command apparently lies in the shouts of "Aaahhoon!"
    In general, the most suitable gun for the little Parashenka this:
  35. kind
    kind 19 September 2014 17: 43
    0
    Son Pidoroshenko probably knows what KU and SHU is, since he commands artillery!
  36. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 19 September 2014 17: 44
    0
    Sorry for them! They sweat in front of the cameras that the son, that the dad, they are still "warriors" .... The mother (wife) knows where the "men" gather with "benefit and very exciting" to spend the near future "?! The faces are not naturally cheerful, a little with sadness ... And curtains in the background ... funeral ...
  37. NikulinMihail
    NikulinMihail 19 September 2014 17: 50
    0
    From these parasens, from the elderly plump and young, too, pink-cheeked and sleek in the future, good fries will turn out.
  38. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 September 2014 17: 51
    +1
    I do not believe! Yes, for nothing in the world to the front line for a hundred kilometers will not pick up. There is no nobility, no valor.
  39. hooligan
    hooligan 19 September 2014 17: 52
    +3
    already a tear of emotion ran over)) so touching lol hero of an iPhone, what a nasty son)) fuuuu I would have such a sales, I didn’t give a big toe kiss)) I will not say anything about the rest))
    1. ALABAY45
      ALABAY45 19 September 2014 18: 22
      0
      About the middle or nameless ...?!
  40. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 19 September 2014 17: 55
    +2
    "What a disgusting mug" (c) for both.
  41. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 19 September 2014 17: 56
    0
    But does the president send his son to where they die hundreds in a day? And if not there, then where he would have been completely calm for him. Then what kind of army is this for him ..
  42. meriem1
    meriem1 19 September 2014 17: 57
    0
    So who shoots the civilians of New Russia ///////
  43. Stypor23
    Stypor23 19 September 2014 18: 00
    0
    Strange, my son is skinny, and parashka daddy is fat.
  44. andrejus
    andrejus 19 September 2014 18: 00
    +2
    With what fright he became an artilleryman, I studied, I studied half a year then, and then I practiced in Kushka for 6 months. MARASM !!!
  45. sounddoc
    sounddoc 19 September 2014 18: 00
    +9
    Who would doubt ... In a year or two, be a mini-Poroshenko generalissimo ...
  46. fridge
    fridge 19 September 2014 18: 14
    0
    Such a "fruit" would have been captured. laughing
  47. Tamerlan225
    Tamerlan225 19 September 2014 18: 56
    0
    Well, what do you say your country's patriot
  48. pvv113
    pvv113 19 September 2014 19: 03
    +3
    According to the head of Ukraine, his elder son went to the ATO zone (quote) to "confront the aggressor" voluntarily.

    And what - are there witnesses or do you need to take a word? hi
  49. Zhaman-Urus
    Zhaman-Urus 19 September 2014 19: 16
    +1
    "the elder son went to the ATO zone" - that's right! And the son of Yanukovych is partisan near Lvov! You at least jump up when you lie.
  50. Gunxnumx
    Gunxnumx 19 September 2014 19: 16
    +1
    Quote: subbtin.725
    Quote: B.T.W.
    And the faces of the face are disgusting to look disgusting.


    Universal contempt.


    In-in. There are not enough words to convey a visual impression. Something degenerative-upyrsky or something.