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The story of one uprising

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The story of one uprising


The share of the historian is very unenviable. The historian in life is like a gynecologist at a strip bar: everyone is fun and interesting, and he is bored. He saw all this already stopitsot times and knows in advance how it will all end.

Do not believe? Well listen one history.

Once in the immediate vicinity of the borders of Russia there was a serious nuisance. The people of one neighboring country, brought to the penultimate degree of poverty and embittered beyond all measure by the corruption of power, staged a revolt and sent this most wicked possession to that very mother.

And everything would be fine, one can only be glad for unhappy people, only the revolt of the insurgents wore a pronounced nationalist character. As a result, they got not only a well-earned kick in the butt of power, but also started very tangible assaults on everyone else, guilty only of the fact that they were of a different nationality and did not share stormy joy about the nation, which is finally above all.

In the misfortune of the rebels, quite a lot of Russians lived in this country, many with military professions and military combat experience. As soon as the pogroms began, the Russians, who until then had mostly just worked peacefully, set about weapon and began to create self-defense units. The remaining remnants of the former regime willingly helped the militiamen who took up arms — above all, with weapons, food, and money.

Soon, the militia was allocated several very combat-ready units numbering 2-3 hundreds of people, led by dashing "warlords." Especially the glory of the exploits of the detachment headed by Colonel P., who went through more than one war, thundered. It was he who worked wonders with small forces, discouraging even the cities from the nationalists. The colonel himself in the reports was laconic: “In order to save ourselves and ... the population from total extermination, we decided. The right moment was chosen ... after a short battle, the city remained behind us. ”

It was Colonel P. and became first informal, and then the recognized leader of the insurgent Russians. Little by little, initially scattered detachments united into a single military unit numbering about 2 thousand people, headed by P., whose authority was indisputable.

And everything would be fine, but the nationalists had an incomparably greater human, financial and military base. Therefore, despite all the successes of the militia, they were oppressed more and more. This is, in fact, the immutable law of war - arithmetic beats any exploits. If some have thousands of bases, and millions about the second, the latter will always win. The fate of the resistance seemed to be solved, but Russia intervened.

Intervened, of course, not because of the love for the tribesmen being killed. Politicians emotions are contraindicated, politics - it is always and only calculation. Only the soulless "What is more profitable for us and how to achieve this in the best way" - and nothing else. And this is good, because as soon as emotions and feelings appear in politics, it always ends the same way.

Big blood.

So, fortunately resisting Russian, international alignment was in their favor. The fact is that behind the nationalists who overthrew the regime there were states that were clearly hostile to Russia - they provided assistance with weapons and instructors almost openly. A hostile state on its borders is the last thing Russia needed. In addition, nationalist ideas, professed by the rebels, could well spread to the Russian border areas - there was enough material that could become a breeding ground for them in the Russian frontier.

But there was a significant problem - as long as people in Russia were hesitating and could not make decisions, the process had already gone very far. It was possible to stop the disease only by radical methods - and they went.

One night, cadre units of the Russian army crossed the border - and not with rifles, but with military equipment. Only signs of belonging to the armed forces on tanks, armored vehicles and aircraft were carefully painted over. The soldiers and officers were disguised in the uniform of the Russian militia, they were forbidden under any circumstances to admit that they were professional military personnel of a foreign power, before participating in the operation, they signed a non-disclosure agreement valid for fifty years.

Further, I think, it is clear. Against the personnel units, the nationalists had no chance, and they began to suffer defeat after defeat. The foreign powers raised a howl, but since there was no clear evidence of the Russian army’s participation in the conflict, and the Russian Foreign Ministry stood to death, denying everything and everyone, no serious consequences arose.

Under the threat of complete military defeat of the nationalists, the hostilities were halted, and the conflict ended as such conflicts always end - the “big boys” began to quietly resolve the situation, desperately bargaining. Russian troops and military equipment were also quietly withdrawn, leaving only the secret instructors who worked under other names.

Yes, I completely forgot - on the eve of the invasion of troops, Colonel P. was removed from all posts and replaced by a much more controlled Colonel B. The insurgent Russian militia joined the ranks of the army from where they came from and fought shoulder to shoulder with the Russian military. No wonder - when a serious game begins, the time of idealists ends, big politics is impossible without reliable management.

That's the whole story. Something familiar, isn't it?

That's just what happened in 1931, when the anti-Chinese Uighurs uprising broke out in Xinjiang. The Russian militia are Semirechensk and Ural Cossacks who left for China after the Civil War, including the Dutov and Annenkovites. It was they who, not for the first decade who had peacefully managed Eastern Turkestan, took up arms when the pogroms spread from the Chinese to the Russians. The Uigurs were supported by Great Britain and Japan, and it was precisely the unwillingness to have another hostile puppet state like Manchukuo on the border that explains Russia's intervention.

Colonel P. is Colonel Pavel Petrovich Papengut, a White Guard officer, a member of the Civil War, who accomplished his main feats of arms on Chinese soil. And yes, this was probably the only time in our history when the “red” and “white” shoulder to shoulder fought on the same side, and even wore the same military uniform. Nobody pursued the former White Guards, rather the opposite - the participants in the hostilities in Xinjiang were promised either a full amnesty and return to their homeland, or the granting of extensive land in the undeveloped territories of Eastern Turkestan.

But since the times were then - not like the current vegetarian, Pavel Pappengut became almost the only victim of the “Red Terror”. His growing influence, unconditional military authority and uncontrollability did not suit either the Soviet representatives or the Chinese. In agreement with the Soviet Consul General in East Turkestan Apresov, who arrived in Xinjiang in December 1933, the colonel who held a firm anti-Soviet position, December 10 was removed from command, arrested and executed by the Chinese. He was 39 years old.

The commander of the Russian units was Colonel Bekteyev, who soon received the rank of lieutenant-general of the Xinjiang army and a round sum of “non-reporting” for the maintenance of the Russian regiments. A military adviser to him was Comrade Fu Dzi Hui, under this name that was inappropriate for a Russian person, hid the Soviet military adviser, the future marshal of the armored forces and twice Hero of the Soviet Union Pavel Semenovich Rybalko. And, most characteristic, no unrest in the ranks of the White Guard "militia" did not happen - just like now.

There will be no morals at the end, you are adults, draw your own conclusions.

I can only say one thing - a honest and simple policy never happens. It is always, by definition, a very dirty and multi-layered phenomenon. All the pitfalls of certain decisions and actions, researchers can not isolate even many decades later, when already and secret documents become available.

You tell me - well, well, you historians, well, you studied and know it. And to us, simple people, what to do, how to understand - what is happening at all, where they tell us the truth, and where they lie blatantly?

There is a simple and unmistakable principle. As soon as you begin to offer explanations, where everything is simple and clear, where some are black and others are white, this means only one thing - you are divorced.

Do not be fooled.
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  1. 787nkx
    787nkx 19 September 2014 14: 35
    +6
    This is a coincidence.
    It is necessary to check the materials for authenticity.
    1. volot-voin
      volot-voin 19 September 2014 16: 41
      +4
      Quote: 787nkx
      This is a coincidence.
      It is necessary to check the materials for authenticity.

      Just like in Ukraine. Pavel Pappengutv 1030 = Shooters today.
      1. bda
        bda 19 September 2014 17: 04
        +4
        As soon as they begin to offer you explanations where everything is simple and clear, where some are black and others are white, this means only one thing - you are bred.

        It is just that the explanations should not be licked off the ready-made "from the editorial" / TV screen, website, forum /, but should be done by everyone for himself and for himself - first to figure out what is white for you and what is black. What is good and what is evil. And then already start looking at what is happening around.
        And these explanations can only be black or white - for something gray-striped people under bullets, even under an escort, are not quite willing to go - evil should always be recognizable, so that it was possible to aim at it "for sure", and good - with fists ( or better - with a rifle).
      2. andj61
        andj61 19 September 2014 19: 45
        +1
        The events in Xinjiang, of course, can be interpreted in this way. Although everything there is much more complicated and multifaceted. Nothing is said about participation in events other than Uighurs and Central Asian Turks who fled there from the Red Terror - Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks; about the fact that the troops were sent, including, and in order to eliminate the foreign rear of the Basmachi, to exclude raids on Central Asia from Xinjiang. In this case, the Chinese and Russians - white and red - came forward as a united front, however, for a fairly short time.
        1. Aljavad
          Aljavad 20 September 2014 22: 08
          0
          everything there is much more complicated and multifaceted.

          In reality, everything is always much more complex and multifaceted.
          About this and the article. Black and white are chess. Good game. Strategic.
          Politics (what will become History over the years) is often compared to chess. Here are just figures of many colors, the board is multidimensional, and the game, as a rule, is on several "multidimensional" boards, of which the viewer can see only a two-dimensional report from one of them, and only in black and white. AND voters the audience yells: "Go horse!"
          Historians will then try to restore the party. If they are allowed.
      3. aksakal
        aksakal 19 September 2014 22: 20
        -1
        Quote: volot-voin
        Quote: 787nkx
        This is a coincidence.
        It is necessary to check the materials for authenticity.

        Just like in Ukraine. Pavel Pappengutv 1030 = Shooters today.
        - Thus, the Uyghurs deprived them of a chance to create their own state, and the fate of the Oirats awaits them, while the Russians do not want to try on the role of the people who are not allowed to create their own state. The main thing is that Xinjiang does not border Russia at all. Or Mongolia and Kazakhstan - Russia?
        Instead of taking advantage of the situation and creating a friendly or even puppet Uyguristan, thereby earning the gratitude of the Uyghur people, they helped China, who very well later thanked Damansky and Zaysan. And now you need to keep an eye out with him. And at the same time, Uiguristan will arise anyway - whether with the help of amers or without their help, it will definitely arise. Who often travels to Urumqi is clearly visible to that.
        You can, of course, condemn the Uyghurs for nationalism, but before that, you must condemn the Israelis. It was at the expense of the Palestinians that they created a state, but it is impossible to create Uyghurs on their land, where they are an indigenous population - it turns out that not even the Chinese, but the Russians, who represented Stalin helped create Israel. Something I do not like is such a segregation. And, by the way, Asians did not plunder Russia in the 90s, occupying key economic, and then cultural, positions in Russia. The Israelis have this form of gratitude to Russia for contributing to the creation of their state, and the Israelis thanked them in a very difficult moment for Russia, however, this is quite Israeli, and at the same time, for some reason, Asians in Russia are to blame for everything, well, it’s accepted Asians refuse even such trifles as your state.
        1. michell
          michell 20 September 2014 08: 17
          +1
          The main thing is that Xinjiang does not border Russia at all. Or Mongolia and Kazakhstan - Russia?
          Open the map, dear aksakal.
          The Xinjian Uygur Autonomous Region (XUAR) borders Russia on the territory of the Altai Republic in the Kosh-Agach region. The Kosh-Agachsky district in this regard is generally unique - on the territory of one district there is a border with three (!) States - Mongolia, China and Kazakhstan. The border with China is not very long, there are no roads or border crossings, but, nevertheless, there is a section of a common border.
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        3. Serg65
          Serg65 20 September 2014 08: 33
          +4
          aksakal .. Oh, it’s not so simple in the Danish kingdom, dear Aksakal. Firstly, the uprising was Dungan and not Uyghur, for the most part the Uyghurs were outside observers. Secondly, the Dungan leader Ma Zu-ying changed his views on life three times in two years, then he is the leader of the rebels, then he is a loyal subject of Chiang Kai-shek, then he is again an ardent revolutionary. Now consider the time of these events, the beginning of the 30's, China is waging war with Japan, the USSR strongly supported China in the struggle for independence, the main route for the supply of arms to the Chinese army began in Alma-Ata, and here the unclear unrest of the Chinese Muslims begins funded and it’s not clear from anyone receiving weapons and ammunition (although English possessions are literally behind the hill). It would seem that the capture of Kashgar and on the border of Muslim Pakistan and Afghanistan, create your own state, but no, the fighting smoothly flowed into the area of ​​the supply route of the Chinese army, an interesting situation is not it? Now I do not understand your position on the fate of the Oirats? The Oirats, they are the Dzungars with their brutal expansion to neighboring nations, themselves chose their fate, in addition, Russia literally saved the remains of the Oirats from destruction by settling in the lower Volga (modern Kalmykia). Therefore, I consider your attacks on Russia to oppress Asians to be groundless hi
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 20 September 2014 21: 56
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            Quote: Serg65
            aksakal .. Oh, it’s not so simple in the Danish kingdom, dear Aksakal. Firstly, the uprising was Dungan and not Uyghur, for the most part the Uyghurs were outside observers. Secondly, the Dungan leader Ma Zu-ying changed his views on life three times in two years, then he is the leader of the rebels, then he is a loyal subject of Chiang Kai-shek, then he is again an ardent revolutionary. Now consider the time of these events, the beginning of the 30's, China is waging war with Japan, the USSR strongly supported China in the struggle for independence, the main route for the supply of arms to the Chinese army began in Alma-Ata, and here the unclear unrest of the Chinese Muslims begins funded and it’s not clear from anyone receiving weapons and ammunition (although English possessions are literally behind the hill). It would seem that the capture of Kashgar and on the border of Muslim Pakistan and Afghanistan, create your own state, but no, the fighting smoothly flowed into the area of ​​the supply route of the Chinese army, an interesting situation is not it? Now I do not understand your position on the fate of the Oirats? The Oirats, they are the Dzungars with their brutal expansion to neighboring nations, themselves chose their fate, in addition, Russia literally saved the remains of the Oirats from destruction by settling in the lower Volga (modern Kalmykia). Therefore, I consider your attacks on Russia to oppress Asians to be groundless hi
            - So I said - can be condemned for nationalism. As for the Oirats, the reason for their behavior is precisely because the Chinese deprived them of living space. And you yourself confirmed that the Oirats were subjected to genocide by the Chinese. Now the same fate awaits the Uyghurs. Just do not be surprised if it flares up again in Urumqi. You can blame the amers on this, but I definitely know the mood of the Uyghurs in Urumqi and DO NOT CONDEMN them for it! I repeat once again - the Uyghurs are no worse than the Israelis and also have the right to their own state. Yes, and selfish interest - the Uyghurs of Urumqi will not succeed - they will try in Jarkent, and this is completely uninteresting. So I remain in my own opinion - it was necessary to turn the uprising from lemon into lemonade, and not contribute to the over-strengthening of China (and now it is already too strong, I’m generally silent about the future, in general)
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 22 September 2014 07: 11
              +3
              aksakal .... The fact that the Uighurs deserve the best, I agree with you! Well, about the strengthening of China ... in those days, many world powers fought for the right to political control of China, and as a result the USSR won. And the fact that China subsequently turned its back on the Union of Wine is not so much connected with Stalin’s death as Khrushchev’s inappropriate behavior, as a result we ourselves lost China.
        4. Aljavad
          Aljavad 20 September 2014 23: 19
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          Or Mongolia and Kazakhstan - Russia?

          And how did you guess? request
          In the 1930s, yes, both Kazakhstan and formally independent Mongolia were Russia. Those. THE USSR. laughing
          Small, even proud, peoples are destined to live in the "zone of vital interests" of this or that Great Power. The article says: the Uyghurs were stimulated by England. And the Britons (power number 1 in the 1991th century) were our main enemy until the Germans attacked. The result would be an anti-Soviet, British-led education on the border with the not yet fully pacified Central Asia. And China in those years was weaker than we were in 1930. So Stalin was solving the "equation with all unknowns." Support the national definition of a wild mountain tribe in a God-forsaken corner, or potentially a Great Power. Let me remind you - the XNUMXs! The resources of the USSR were very limited.
          Uighurs robbed them of a chance

          Nobody ever gave away chances or took away chances. They themselves take, or lose. The Uighurs once again did not hold their chance. Maybe he’ll be lucky someday.
          PS: Nothing personal: Uyghurs, Zulus, Iroquois ... In History, many different nations have not been able to create a viable state.
          But what our years! Now there is a "fashion" for separatism and self-determination. (Cattle, Basques, Catalans ...) Maybe the Uyghurs will be lucky. But rather, they will merge into the world caliphate without pause, and China, tired of solving the "Uyghur issue, will throw a couple of bombs on them, and" the world community, frightened by the caliphate, will not notice. (God forbid!)
          1. Pokalchuk
            Pokalchuk 21 September 2014 15: 56
            0
            Aljavadu
            "... until the Germans attacked."
            It would be better to say: while the British did not hide behind the attack of Hitler, whom they themselves raised, they armed and set us against America - that is, the Anglo-Saxons as they were and remained our worst enemies. More precisely - the enemies of the rest of the world.
    2. bda
      bda 19 September 2014 18: 56
      -2
      787nkx EN

      This is a coincidence.
      It is necessary to check the materials for authenticity.


      History (or rather, its interpretation) - this is the selling girl ...


      "Russia is a country with an unpredictable past"
      (M.N.Zadornov)


      All of the above "in fact" events can be interpreted quite the opposite:
      - obeying the call of fraternal blood, the politicians of the neighboring country, despite all sorts of political costs, decided to support fellow tribesmen who were political opponents yesterday ...
      - not wanting, for political reasons, to fight "hand in hand" with his fellow tribesmen who came to the rescue, the leader of the uprising, despite the possible, from a pragmatic point of view, the risk of losing control of the detachments, was removed, arrested and shot because - they did not forgive him the "Vasya-Vas'kanya" with the enemies of Russia in the person of England, France, etc. when he was a White Guard.
      - and the troops of a neighboring country came to the aid of the rebellious brothers by blood and faith, although, from a rational point of view, the neighboring country could be the other way around - to help the Uyghur Basurmans to cut yesterday’s enemies in the Civil War and then use this situation to improve relations with such important trading partners as England, France, and the USA - from whom, in the interests of industrialization, it was planned to buy a lot of advanced and modern things ...
    3. svp67
      svp67 19 September 2014 19: 56
      +1
      Quote: 787nkx
      It is necessary to check the materials for authenticity.
      You can check and make sure that the author is in many respects right and that such facts really took place in the ... 30s of the last century.
      By the way, the Red Army wore uniforms with epaulettes, and that in those days, but what can’t be done to disguise. And our aviation was very cool.
    4. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 19 September 2014 22: 46
      -4
      No coincidence. Russia has betrayed Novorossia. Ukraine has got a respite and is preparing for the offensive with much greater forces. Russia will not enter troops. Our president sold Novorossia because of his Swiss accounts.
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 20 September 2014 07: 03
        +4
        Alexey, Putin and Medvedev are idiots. What are you? to keep money in Switzerland. And the help just goes, I shoot completely from the Russian grenade launcher. Here are just the supply channels, imagine.
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 20 September 2014 19: 03
          -1
          Before the war in Ukraine, Switzerland never betrayed secret deposits. And this was the only country living at the expense of the contributions of any people and criminals and honest, not hours. Therefore, Putin and others have invested their money in their banks. Putin hid this and thought that this trick would not be made public. But America, with the help of economic blackmail, demanded that Switzerland disclose the secrets of the contributions of American (I am sure Russian) citizens. By the way, an example according to Medvedev. Prior to his presidency, he was chairman of the board of directors of Gazprom. Poor person, without the majority of shares, this position cannot be occupied. So he became the president of Russia. He transferred the shares to the trustee. Question! And whose money is it now? Trustee owned or Medvedev? The same thing with Putin only in Rosneft and former Yukos.
          1. Aljavad
            Aljavad 20 September 2014 23: 28
            0
            Poor person, without the majority of shares, this position cannot be occupied. So he became the president of Russia. He transferred the shares to the trustee. Question! And whose money is it now? Trustee owned or Medvedev? The same thing with Putin only in Rosneft and former Yukos.

            Would you like the presidency of a janitor or seasonal worker?
            And stop counting other people's money!
            Look for a better "party gold". People's.
    5. DanSabaka
      DanSabaka 20 September 2014 13: 52
      0
      check. The story is genuine. They did not teach this at school, but did not hide it.
  2. mazhnikof.Niko
    mazhnikof.Niko 19 September 2014 14: 38
    +7
    This is the main thing - do not get fooled. Read more, independently analyze, reflect, and only then make CONCLUSIONS. It’s easier for us, we will draw conclusions (for ourselves) - post factum!
    1. bda
      bda 19 September 2014 17: 47
      +1
      as soon as emotions and feelings appear in politics, it always ends the same way.

      Big blood.

      As soon as politics begins to be built solely from calculations on the topic:
      "What is more profitable for us and how to achieve it in the best way"

      it simply turns into an endless series of crimes ... mainly against our own people, because it turns out very quickly that it is much easier for the average "negotiator" to come to terms with enemies (accept his terms, including for some kind of gesheft for himself) than really, at the risk of their lives, to protect the interests of their common people.
      From that the whole history of such a policy ...
      not only watered with even more blood, but also pretty shit smeared with shit:
      - it was not politically advantageous for the Kiev prince on 31.05.1223/XNUMX/XNUMX to go "under the arm" of the Polovtsian leader, and the princes of Chernigov, Smolensk, and Galician - so he stood with the army on the sidelines, while the rest of the Russians and the Polovtsians laid their heads in battle with the Mongols (talking about battle on the Kalka River) - he and other Kievites were promised by the Mongols that if they didn’t climb into battle, then “not a drop of their blood would be shed” (the Mongols kept their word - as you know, they strangled the Kievans by putting them on the ground, and having arranged a flooring from above for a victorious feast - then, as they say, the shit from the Kievites climbed);
      - in 1382, the Moscow boyars were judged and judged about their advantages and disadvantages in the face of Khan Tokhtamysh. We decided: we will not be angry from past grievances against the bastard, we will open the gates, but we will solve the matter in peace - we will agree ("we will find a compromise" - now it is customary to say that). They discovered: "All people were hacked, burned, drowned or taken into slavery. The city was burned. The churches were plundered."
      - the list of such stories "about profitability" can be endless - because there are innumerable villainies and betrayals in history.
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 19 September 2014 19: 14
        +2
        Quote: bda
        - in 1382 they tried and rowed Moscow boyars about their advantages and disadvantages in the face of Tokhtamysh Khan. We decided: we will not be angry from past insults against the bastard, we will open the gates, but we will decide the matter in peace - we will agree ("we will find a compromise" - now it is customary to say that). They discovered: "All people were hacked, burned, drowned or taken into slavery. The city was burned. The churches were plundered."

        Again "boyars"? Something slightly different interpretation of this event by L.N. Gumilyov. In the book, he describes those events differently:
        "In 1382, Tokhtamysh organized a raid on Moscow. Having crossed the Volga and Oka, the Tatars suddenly appeared under the walls of the city. Most of the Moscow boyars, clergy, and soldiers, as always in the summer, left Moscow for the nearby villages. In Moscow, only the great Princess and Metropolitan Cyprian. Cyprian was entrusted to defend the city, but, not being a military man, the Metropolitan was unable to organize a defense. Therefore, the Tatars managed to encircle Moscow, but they could not take it. Moscow by that time already possessed high stone walls on which there was a firearm called “mattress” in Russian (from the Persian word “tupang” - a tube).
        This Tokhtamysh raid would not have been terrible at all if it had not been for the character of the population who had settled in Moscow over the past several decades of calm. What did the posadsky people want? Have a drink and take a walk. Therefore, the population of Moscow, ordinary Moscow people, having been besieged, first of all went to the boyars' cellars, shot down castles, pulled out barrels of honey, beer, wines and thoroughly got drunk. Then, showing their “fearlessness”, they walked on the walls and scolded the Tatars, accompanying the abuse with appropriate gestures. The metropolitan, however, could not do anything: no one listened, and when Vladyka wanted to leave Moscow (there was no complete siege, anyone could leave the city), he, like the Grand Duchess, was seized by the townspeople to the skin.
      2. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 19 September 2014 19: 18
        +2
        Quote: bda
        - in 1382 they tried and rowed Moscow boyars about their advantages and disadvantages in the face of Tokhtamysh Khan. We decided: we will not be angry from past insults against the bastard, we will open the gates, but we will decide the matter in peace - we will agree ("we will find a compromise" - now it is customary to say that). They discovered: "All people were hacked, burned, drowned or taken into slavery. The city was burned. The churches were plundered."

        It sounds differently in LN Gumilyov's book "From Russia to Russia". "Most of the Moscow boyars, clergy, soldiers, as always in the summer, left Moscow for the nearby villages. Only the Grand Duchess and Metropolitan Cyprian remained in Moscow. Cyprian was instructed to defend the city, but, not being a military man, the metropolitan could not organize defense "..." The Metropolitan could not do anything: no one listened to him, and when Vladyka wanted to leave Moscow (there was no complete siege, and anyone could leave the city), like the Grand Duchess, the townspeople robbed him to the bone "..." After the departure of Cyprian, the people continued to walk and drink their own and other people's property. After a while, when the entire supply of alcohol was drunk, the Muscovites decided to come to an agreement with the Tatars: the Tatars were asked to state their peace conditions, for which the besieged gathered to let into the city embassy. But when the gates were opened, none of the representatives of the "popular masses" had the idea to put up a reliable guard in order to let only the ambassadors through. The Posadskys simply opened the gates, the Tatars burst intothe city and staged a massacre. Almost the entire population of Moscow died, the city was devastated. "To accuse the commanding staff of the squad of Prince Dmitry Ivanovich of treason after so much time = a simple matter and stupid, by the way. Those boyars were Orthodox, and they went through the purgatory battle on the Kulikovo field historians say.) The instigators of the turmoil are just from the “people.” Not everyone is in love with the power! Therefore, the seven-boyars were in our history afterwards and the invitation of the prince Vladislav to the Russian throne.
        1. bda
          bda 19 September 2014 19: 57
          +1
          Something somewhat different interpretation of this event from L.N. Gumilyov.

          LN Gumilyov is a well-known person, of course. And as a historian. And as a dissident. Only, let me say with all due respect, his interpretations of Russian-Horde relations are in stark contrast to the opinion of almost all other historians - his contemporaries and "before him."
          If we shift the interpretation of L.N. Gumilyov in a modern way, then this is all one thing that the "theories" of a certain Suvorov-Rezun on the history of Soviet-German relations (in a nutshell): brave Hitler, attacking the USSR on June 22, simply tried to save the whole Mother Europe from the invasion of the Bolsheviks-barbarians, for which he sacrificed his Germany, inflicting a preventive blow.

          In fact, by the way:
          the text is somewhat abbreviated by me in the part not related to the main point -BOYAR. To accuse the command staff of the squad of Prince Dmitry Ivanovich of treason after so much time = a simple matter and, by the way, stupid. Those boyars were Orthodox, and they went through the purgatory battle on the Kulikovo field (as historians tell us about it). The instigators of the troubles are from the "people".

          St. Righteous Prince Dmitry with his retinue and, accordingly, the command staff was not in the city - and it would be absurd to blame them for opening the gate. And according to the chronicle records, at the head of those who opened the gates was a certain "little prince Ostey, clergy and boyars." There were, of course, ordinary people who supported the "party of peace", there were those who had already begun pogroms of the houses of the traitor boyars (with the use of the contents of wine cellars), but ... everyone understands perfectly well that in the besieged city negotiations with the besiegers are not "instigators of troubles from the people", but representatives of the authorities (the Mongol-Tatars themselves will not talk to the "people"). And that the decision is then based on the interpretation of the results of the negotiations that the negotiators themselves do. And they took part in the negotiations, incl. and relatives of Grand Duchess Evdokia (wife of Dmitry Donskoy) - the fact that they were not commoners - the fact "do not go to the fortune-teller." This is evidenced by "ordinary" books on the history of our country, in which an assessment of the Mongol-Tatar yoke is given, somewhat different from the interpretation of L.N. Gumilyov, who tried to prove to everyone that there was no yoke as such, but there were simply some relations of vassals. feudal lords, very useful for Russia.

          It's just that LN Gumilyov's views have recently been very persistently lobbied by some "progressive" (liberal) social activists and politicians - they fit very well into the "politically correct outline" of some globalizing political projects.
          1. bda
            bda 19 September 2014 20: 30
            +1
            different from the interpretation of L.N. Gumilyov, who tried to prove to everyone that there was no yoke as such, but there were simply some relations of vassals and feudal lords, very useful for Russia.

            One more point: in modern Russia, relying on the formulations of L.N. Gumilyov, they build their own ideological platforms and numerous national separatist movements among the Tatars, Bashkirs and some other peoples of the Volga region. These "theoreticians", repeating the name of LN Gumilyov through the word, still defend "their first right" to Great Russia - that is, argue that Russia is not Russia at all, but the Great and mighty Golden Horde, in which some incomprehensible peripheral tribe (Russians) deceived and seized power and illegally retain it.

            So, as you can say again: history is not a science of the past. History is an interpretation of the past in the interests of today and tomorrow.
            1. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 20 September 2014 07: 40
              0
              Quote: bda
              , relying on the wording of L.N. Gumilyov, build their ideological platforms and numerous national separatist movements among the Tatars, Bashkirs and some other peoples of the Volga region. These "theorists", repeating the name of L.N. Gumilyov through the word, still defend "their first right" to Great Russia

              Separatism among small nations was, is and will be, unfortunately. "Ours" are better than "others". Even an anecdote on this topic: The Armenian radio was asked - why are Armenians better than Georgians? A short answer followed: "Than the Georgians!" And to "sew" L.N.G. The separatist's robe is not worth it. Musavatists, Basmachis, "white" Bashkirs acted without his participation.
              1. bda
                bda 22 September 2014 14: 47
                0
                And to "sew" L.N.G. The separatist's robe is not worth it.

                Yes, the question is not by who LN Gumilyov is a separatist or not.
                L.N. Gumilyov is a dissident scientist who built his original historical theory, with which the vast majority of Russian historians do not agree.
                But that is not the point - history is a science in which dozens of theories are built.
                The fact is that it was precisely the theory of L.N. Gumilyov on Russian-Horde relations that was adopted by the enemies of Russia and actively promoted by them (naturally, for their own purposes, very far from the scientific interests and life aspirations of the scientist himself).
                The scientist’s dissident past, as well as his aura of “suffering from Stalinism”, also contributes to “promotion” - the entire liberal community will applaud “without even going into theory”.
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      3. Aljavad
        Aljavad 20 September 2014 23: 37
        0
        As soon as politics begins to be built solely from calculations on the topic:
        "What is more profitable for us and how to achieve it in the best way"
        it just turns into an endless series of crimes ...

        Over the years, politics becomes History. And history - for the most part - is the very "endless series". And life itself is a big pile of bloody manure!
        The brighter the treasures of the human spirit sparkle in this mud!
        But, everyone sees what is closer to him.
        Medieval Parable:
        The traveler asked people what they were doing. They answered him:
        “Woloku is a cursed stone!”
        - Swarm the damn hole!
        - I interfere with this nasty clay!
        “I am building a beautiful cathedral!”
  3. GrandsonUncle Vasi
    GrandsonUncle Vasi 19 September 2014 14: 39
    +4
    Something familiar in chronological events is not covered.
    If we replace the letters "P" with "C" and "B" with "K", then the picture of the current theater of military operations reminds one!
    Politics-selling girl!
    1. dyremar 66
      dyremar 66 19 September 2014 16: 04
      0
      the analogy with the rifleman is striking and the conclusion suggests itself but is the author of the article not sent up by the Cossack? why are these analogies practical? don’t mess with stupid idealists, big politics already went to you not to understand, etc. However, man assumes and God disposes!
      1. bda
        bda 19 September 2014 17: 52
        +3
        dyremar 66
        the analogy with the rifleman is striking and the conclusion suggests itself but is the author of the article not sent up by the Cossack?

        Exactly!
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 20 September 2014 08: 53
        +3
        Quote: dyremar 66 rus
        the analogy with the rifleman is striking and the conclusion suggests itself but is the author of the article not sent up by the Cossack? why are these analogies practical? don’t mess with stupid idealists, big politics already went to you not to understand, etc. However, man assumes and God disposes!

        And here you are, Alexei, right! The author turned this historical fact in favor of either himself or by order. Semereki and Siberians did not raise an uprising. With the weakness of the Chinese troops in the area and the ever-expanding uprising of the Dungans. Governor Chin Shuen was forced to turn to Russian emigrants, Cossacks were promised a monthly salary of 1000 lans (the cost of one cow), and when participating in hostilities, the salary was doubled. Therefore, comparing events in Xinjiang and events in Ukraine is simply unrealistic !!! The author is not a stupid idealist, he is trying to prove on historical facts that Russia cannot be trusted and that Russia is a barbaric country! Article is a big minus negative !!!
    2. bda
      bda 19 September 2014 18: 19
      +1
      GrandsonUncle Vasi
      Politics-selling girl!

      It's time to put her pimps cancer.
  4. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 19 September 2014 14: 54
    +6
    "If you have ever seen how sausage is made, then you can imagine what politics is."

    And one more thing: "The strength of revolutionaries lies not in the ideas of their leaders, but in the promise to satisfy at least a small share of moderate demands that were not timely implemented by the existing government." Otto von Bismarck
    1. bda
      bda 19 September 2014 18: 16
      +2
      anti-Chinese Uyghur uprising flared up in Xinjiang

      By the way, in 2009 in Urumqi another anti-Chinese uprising broke out:
      pure emotions - two hot Uyghur factory workers decided to have fun during working hours with their Chinese colleague, who had a different opinion on this. A crowd of Chinese came running to the screams of a Chinese woman (they are, in general, quite numerous Chinese). Hot Uyghur guys pounded into minced meat.
      The Chinese ... well, do not punish the whole crowd that they came to help a lady ?!
      The Uyghurs were outraged and the next day they began pogroms of the Chinese in Urumqi. The main victims were defenseless Chinese women and children (while the men were at work), but soon the Chinese organized themselves and began to fight back the pogromists. And in the evening, parts of the People’s Liberation Army of China entered the troubled city and began, together with the remnants of the police, methodically ... shooting Uighurs.
      The instigators figured out quickly. Who was quickly caught - quickly convicted and shot. Who escaped ... he was later caught (lawsuits followed by executions took place until very recently). Needless to say, all those shot are Uyghurs.
      The simple rioters that survived the sweeps ... often just disappeared.

      But about the Russians in Urumqi in 2009 ... nothing was heard.
      - Where did it go?
      - And God knows them, with their "pragmatic" politicians - the Chinese are not interested in knowing this - they now deal with the Uighurs themselves.
      Without us.

      PS In recent years, individual Uyghur extremists have been noted in Dagestan and Chechnya (Uyghurs are Muslims, and Uyghur separatists, in addition to supporting the West, enjoy the support of international Islamic extremist structures - Wahhabi and others).
      But this is already so "by the way".
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 19 September 2014 19: 33
        0
        Quote: bda
        But about the Russians in Urumqi in 2009 ... nothing was heard.
        - Where did it go?

        It is better to ask the Maoists about this after the victory over the Kuomintang and "revisionism".
        Why don't I trust our "brothers forever"?
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 20 September 2014 09: 01
          +3
          11111mail.ru
          It is better to ask the Maoists about this after the victory over the Kuomintang and "revisionism".
          Why don't I trust our "brothers forever"?
          Dear, you cannot be so critical of the "brothers forever", most of the Russian emigrants before the war and after returned to the USSR, their descendants still live in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan.
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 19 September 2014 19: 29
      0
      Quote: B.T.W.
      The strength of revolutionaries is not in the ideas of their leaders, but in the promise to satisfy at least a small share of moderate demands, which were not timely implemented by the existing government. "Otto von Bismarck

      Look at the root, respect!
  5. kolyhalovs
    kolyhalovs 19 September 2014 14: 54
    +6
    Here, nevertheless, the story is described somewhat different from the current realities. Shooters are not uncontrollable anti-Russian people (like this Colonel P - anti-Soviet). And in our state itself, not everything is so simple (to put it mildly), as in the Soviet Union arr. 1931, which had just defeated the very bourgeois in civilian life, where the dictatorship of the proletariat, etc.
    So do not la la - historians are also interested in living.

    Article plus.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 19 September 2014 17: 47
      0
      and a plus for you, dear "young Albert Einstein" - "the devil plays on the nuances" - very similar, but a little bit different and that's it - the stable solution of the system of equations was not close to what one might expect ...
  6. Neighbor
    Neighbor 19 September 2014 14: 55
    +4
    It is necessary that the author dug up and beautifully presented. Thanks and plus.
    1. Yura
      Yura 19 September 2014 17: 25
      0
      You can ask the Kazakh guys to write an article, they know this story in detail, it was directly related to them.
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 20 September 2014 09: 07
      +3
      Quote: Neighbor
      It is necessary that the author dug up and beautifully presented. Thanks and plus.

      wassat and turned everything upside down! The history of the Altai Volunteer Army is little studied and therefore it is possible to make such a fortress. The article from me is another minus in absentia!
  7. 787nkx
    787nkx 19 September 2014 15: 11
    +1
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D3%E9%E3%F3%F0%F1%EA%E8%E5_%E2%EE%F1%F1%F2%E0%ED%
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    http://traditio-ru.org/wiki/%D0%92.%D0%A4.%D0%9D%D1%8D%D1%85:%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B5%
    D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D
    1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%9D%D0%9A%D0%92%D0%94_%D0%B2_%D0%A1%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8C%D1%86%
    D0%B7%D1%8F%D0%BD%D0%B5

    There are a lot of materials.
    I read something, something agrees, about Rybalko, of course, not a word, about Papengut too.
    What sources did the author use?
  8. Jackyun
    Jackyun 19 September 2014 15: 13
    -3
    One simple question to the author. If
    One night, personnel units of the Russian army crossed the border — not with rifles, but with military equipment.

    then why Donetsk is still under artillery fire. Or the author believes that
    personnel units of the Russian army - and not with rifles, but with military equipment
    not prepared enough to push the enemy away from strategically important areas? Then why did they come in? Hanging out?
    Everyone, including Svidomo, admit that in the event of Russia's entry into the conflict, the Ukrainian army will not last a week. Because so many cries and snot only because the Russians at the training ground in Astrakhan (hundreds of kilometers from the border) conducted exercises. And only our dear author modestly did not notice that there are no global strategic successes on the Donbass front.
    One gets the impression that, as in the menture, the sledak says "But you tell me so, without a protocol" and as soon as you open your mouth, he immediately sews the business together "But you said so yourself." A sort of quiet, sweet trolling.
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 20 September 2014 23: 50
      0
      One night, personnel units of the Russian army crossed the border — not with rifles, but with military equipment.
      then why Donetsk is still under artillery fire.

      Donetsk is under fire because personnel units crossed the border of China in 1931!
  9. Nursultan
    Nursultan 19 September 2014 15: 23
    +11
    The first "Muslim" battalions from the natives of Central Asia were also created there. In fact, a cavalry regiment of ethnic Kyrgyz living in the Kyzylsuu region was created there .. This regiment fought in the west of the XUAR of the PRC. Later, due to losses, it was merged with the Dungan regiment. My grandfather was a direct participant in these events. told that for six months the formation of brigades was going on, first on the territory of Kyrgyzstan. Subsequently, in May when the passes opened, they entered Uygurstan. There they were supported by the local communist underground of the Comintern.
    1. navara399
      navara399 19 September 2014 15: 31
      +2
      Thanks for the addition.
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 19 September 2014 19: 37
      0
      Quote: Nursultan
      this regiment fought in the west of Xinjiang, China

      Naturally, the PRC was created somewhat later than the events indicated, but your addition is interesting.
  10. Sour
    Sour 19 September 2014 15: 28
    +3
    A little correction.
    these are the Semirechye and Ural Cossacks who left for China after the Civil War

    Xinjiang left Siberian и Semirechye Cossacks Annenkova. Also joined them Orenburg Cossacks who came with Dutov. They came under the command of Annenkov, and two divisions were formed from them - the 1st and 2nd Orenburg divisions, each with about 2,5 thousand sabers.
    There were no Ural Cossacks in Semirechye. Part of the Ural Cossacks went to Khiva and Persia, the remaining surviving Cossacks (about 1600 people) surrendered in the Guryev area in January 1920 and were transferred to the Red Army according to the conditions of surrender, sent to the Polish and Wrangel fronts.
  11. killganoff
    killganoff 19 September 2014 16: 23
    +3
    There are many analogies, and it is not for us to judge the views of Strelkov and the Russian leadership on the current situation. Do you really know the reason for the displacement of the entire top of New Russia? ...
    Article "+"!
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 19 September 2014 17: 54
      +1
      "Local" comrades were put on the distribution of humanitarian aid from Russia - clearly the result of a deal with the Donetsk oligarchs (Akhmetov and Co.). Comrade Surkov does not deal with nonsense - he solves serious issues with serious people. And it is necessary to start building new schemes of economic relations between Russia and Novorossia now and in very extreme conditions - devastation, famine, winter is approaching, etc. etc. So it is not necessary to know everything reliably, it is enough to clearly see the "tendency" ((c) Y. Semenov) and everything starts to fall into place.
  12. RUSS
    RUSS 19 September 2014 16: 25
    +1
    Of course, analogies with the Donbass are visible, but all the same, the comparison is not entirely correct, but with the Crimea it is a bit similar.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 19 September 2014 19: 46
      0
      Quote: RUSS
      but still not quite a correct comparison

      "There is a road along the Chuisky tract, a lot of drivers traveled there ...". Long before the fraternal assistance to the "Chiang Kai-shek regime" those routes were mastered in the course of supporting these events. Still, Comrade VI Lenin directly pointed out in his last works the "weak link" of imperialism. Read "Vladimirova" "Special region of China" and you will discover a lot.
  13. Akvadra
    Akvadra 19 September 2014 16: 26
    +1
    Thanks ! Very interesting . Very little is said about these events now. It's a pity ! Spiral stories are a very instructive thing. "Good fellows a lesson!" (Fairy tales are not important here)
  14. Vorlon
    Vorlon 19 September 2014 16: 31
    +3
    You don't have to be a historian (by profession). It is enough to be smart, well-read (not the yellow press, but "smart books"), thinking (add twice two). History studies. Analysts (former philosophers?) Draw conclusions from history.
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 20 September 2014 23: 57
      0
      Analysts (philosophers in the past?) Draw conclusions from history

      Rather, by education (or mentality), philosophers.
      Historians often drown in detail, Politicians always need the specifics and anger of the day. The philosopher sees a perspective.
  15. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 19 September 2014 16: 43
    +1
    The occasion and the beginning of the uprising

    The rebellion began in April 1931, when in Xiaobao, one of the Chinese tax collectors, the Chinese company commander, decided to seize the power of a beautiful Uyghur girl. The collector was killed, 200-300 poorly armed Uyghur peasants burned down the administration of the county governor, killed him and began to kill the Chinese. Then they moved to Hami to capture him, but the garrison fought off the attack, and the rebels fled to the mountains.

    At the same time, a group of Kazakh rebels organized in the area of ​​the city of Barkul, who managed to capture Barkul and the arsenal there. Upon learning of the approach of government troops, the rebels also fled to the mountains, where they connected with the Uyghurs. Soon local peasants joined them, the detachment grew to 2 thousand people, moved to Hami and in May occupied the city.

    The local feudal lords, who later stood at the head of the uprising, joined the rebels who were dissatisfied with the Jin Shuzhen reforms. Khoja Niyaz, the Khami Khanate farm manager, guard officer of the deceased prince, and Yulbars Khan, a former Khami adviser, invited Dungan general Ma Zhongying to help out of Gansu at the head of eight hundred Dungan cavalry. Before going to Xinjiang, Ma made a tacit agreement with the Kuomintang, the dissatisfied rule of Jin, that if he defeated him, Ma would take over as governor. Dungans, Kazakhs, Dzungars, Kirghiz and other peoples of the province joined the Uyghurs in rebellion. Ma allied with the Hami rebels, detachments of the Dungans and Uyghurs moved to Khotan and Yarkend; in Khotan, the rebels, led by the brothers Bogra and Sabit Damullah, formed the Khotan Emirate; the rebellion spread to the areas of Turpan, where it was led by the merchant Maksudahun Mukhitov, and to Barkul. By the spring of 1931, a rebellion swept almost the entire province. The rebels were supported by Great Britain and the Japanese Empire, and Japanese and Young Turkish emigrant instructors were in their forces.
    As we can see from the above, Xinjiang was not a mono-ethnic state, as the author is trying to convey to us. We conclude that the author is either mistaken or a "sent Cossack".
  16. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 19 September 2014 16: 49
    0
    We go further and see that the Russians were mobilized, and not themselves took up arms:
    Military coup and contacts with the USSR

    The government of Jin Shuzhen was going through hard times. The army was not combat-ready. Drafting unreliable Uighurs and Dungans into the army was risky. Jin Shuzhen requested horse traders from Karashar, but the Kalmyk van refused to give troops and declared a struggle for independence. The government had to withdraw troops from the Khami direction in order to suppress the rebellion of the trading outlets.

    Strengthening the combat effectiveness of army units could only be by mobilizing Russian emigrants. Mobilization was subject not only to those Russians who lived in Xinjiang, but also those who fled from collectivization and hunger in the USSR; a man was put into operation as soon as he crossed the border. Three hundred formed in the Ili region were included in the mercantile cavalry brigade, which came under the control of Russian officers. Another detachment was formed under the command of the former chief of staff of the group of Ataman Dutov, Colonel P.P. Pappengut. 180 people from this detachment replenished the Urumqi garrison, and on November 1, 1931, he lifted the siege of Hami led by Ma Zhunin; Ma himself, wounded, was forced to retreat to Gansu. In February 1932, a new set of Russians was conducted in the Ili region; 3 cavalry regiments of 1800 were formed, but these forces were clearly not enough, and Jin turned to the USSR for help.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 19 September 2014 19: 57
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      Quote: Gomunkul
      The occasion and the beginning of the uprising
      The rebellion began in April 1931, when in Xiaobao ...

      Quote: Gomunkul
      We go further and see that the Russians were mobilized ...

      From here, let's dance, without relatively Russian "zaslanets" on the territory of "Xiaobao":
      Who can "mobilize" even "compatriots" outside the jurisdiction of the USSR?
  17. Gardamir
    Gardamir 19 September 2014 17: 01
    +1
    The difference in this plot is that. Who ruled the country in 1931 and in 2014. But here there are no analogies.
  18. brom
    brom 19 September 2014 17: 18
    +6
    Excuse me, what does Sergey Vasiliev (seva-riga) have to do with this article, the author of which is Vadim Nesterov, and the original is located on his Facebook, from where seva-riga just stupidly stole it, without even leaving a link in his LiveJournal, and?
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 20 September 2014 07: 10
      +1
      And this is always the case with us. The penny on the site has not fallen superfluous .. I, for example, will crack-write tomorrow and for the war, such as a "business trip".
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  20. Zymran
    Zymran 20 September 2014 11: 16
    +1
    In 1944 there was also an uprising, but already in the north of the province, Kazakhs and Uighurs rose there. And here, on the contrary, the USSR provided great assistance with weapons, military advisers, and even introduced a limited contingent of soldiers and officers of the Red Army.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 20 September 2014 11: 31
      0
      And the events of 1944 of the year are just very similar to the Ukrainian ones. The Chinese immediately protested and claimed that the Soviet Union was helping the rebels, but Western diplomats turned a blind eye to this.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 20 September 2014 12: 02
        +3
        Quote: Zymran
        And the events of 1944 of the year are just very similar to the Ukrainian ones. The Chinese immediately protested and claimed that the Soviet Union was helping the rebels, but Western diplomats turned a blind eye to this.

        Zumran, hello. The events of 1944 in a stretch can be compared with the events in Ukraine, the uprising of Donbas occurred as a result of the military coup and the coming to power of the nationalists, the uprising in Xinjiang as a result of excessive taxes on the shoulders of the Uyghurs, Kazakhs and other peoples living in this region, the smoldering embers of the uprisings either flared up or went out in the Zailiysky region from the end of the 19 century. But the most interesting thing about this uprising is that after the victory of the rebels, the East Turkestan Republic voluntarily became part of the PRC with the subsequent formation of the XUAR with the preservation of its army.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 20 September 2014 12: 46
          0
          Hello, Sergey.

          The similarity is in the support of the USSR rebels, the sending of troops there, the supply of weapons, advisers, etc. Almost all military leaders of the republic were trained in the USSR.
          VTR became part of the PRC since its main leaders in the 1949 year died in a plane crash. The army became part of the PLA.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 20 September 2014 13: 07
            +3
            Zumran, a plane crash occurred over the Gobi, when the leaders of the WTR just flew to Beijing to sign an agreement on joining the PRC, the entry itself was signed by the second composition of the government of the WTR. Well, the troops of the USSR in various variations on the territory of Xinjiang were from the 1938 of the year, while the NKVD and the Ministry of Internal Affairs operational groups took part in the uprising of the 1944 of the year, military groups were not introduced. The USSR supported Chiang Kai-shek in his struggle with the Japanese, after the Generalissimo went under the wing of the United States, he began to support the great Mao, while WTP supported Chiang Kai-shek in the interests of Mao.
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 20 September 2014 13: 48
              0
              The leaders of the PTR did not want to sign the republic’s entry into the PRC, it was the poet who had the plane crash, the second squad was more accommodating. By 1944, Shen Shitsai expelled all the Soviet military from Xinjiang and, in general, severed the province’s cultural and economic ties with the USSR.
              Troops were brought in, there is even a report on this from Beria to Molotov. He wrote that the "transfer" ... to Xinjiang of privates and officers demobilized from the Red Army to participate in the insurrectionary movement of Muslims in Xinjiang "has been accomplished."
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 22 September 2014 07: 54
                +3
                Zumran, about the crash ... the official version, the death in the open Gobi. I have been interested in those distant events for a long time, the old Uighurs told me that the WTR government delegation flew to Beijing from ... Moscow and, after landing and refueling in Alma-Ata, disappeared in the Tien Shan mountains after 2-3 hours after the departure, the story with this delegation is quite still muddy! Shen Shi Tsai was that type, his brother Shen Shi Tsiy studied at the Academy. Frunze, and Shen himself .. Tsai was a member of the CPSU (b), after the start of the Second World War, Shen begins to change his orientation towards the Japanese, I think that the uprising of the 1942 year of the Cossacks in Altai is the work of Shen himself. Based on this, the behavior of the USSR in Xinjiang during this period is quite understandable. Although I add, the entry of Soviet troops has not been documented anywhere, and Beria’s words most likely refer precisely to the NKVD operative groups.
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      3. Aljavad
        Aljavad 21 September 2014 00: 15
        0
        And the article is not about Xinjiang. And not even about Donbass.
        An article about how events are sometimes similar in their scheme, which are located very far away, both in space and in time. And a heated discussion of the details is proof of this.
        And it’s important not what episodes in the past are more similar to current events. It is important that in the past we can already, more or less, consider the DISCONNECTION of such a cunningly twisted intrigue ...
  21. captain
    captain 20 September 2014 14: 47
    0
    The Bolsheviks in vain staged raskachivanie in 1918g. this led to a civil war in the south of Russia, before the start of the tale, the Cossacks did not support whites. And the destruction of the Cossacks led to a modern tragedy in the Caucasus. They destroyed, as it now turns out, the most patriotic part of the Russian population (mummers do not count, they appeared as a result of the Cossacks being ranked as members of public organizations, and so the jesters appeared in military uniforms.)
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 20 September 2014 17: 22
      -2
      Cossacks always served the Tsar (by faith in truth) and did not support the Bolsheviks. Cossacks were always an armed formation. For disobedience to Soviet power, for the killing of Bolshevik agitators, for calls and readiness for rebellion, the Cossacks were disarmed and liquidated. Therefore, do not misinterpret the history of Russia.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 22 September 2014 08: 07
        +3
        Quote: Алексей_К
        Cossacks always served the Tsar (by faith in truth) and did not support the Bolsheviks. Cossacks were always an armed formation. For disobedience to Soviet power, for the killing of Bolshevik agitators, for calls and readiness for rebellion, the Cossacks were disarmed and liquidated. Therefore, do not misinterpret the history of Russia.

        Mr. Konovalov, just don’t misinterpret the history of Russia !!! The Cossacks, in large numbers, accepted the new power, and what happened then was all the merit of the Bolsheviks, especially Comrade Trotsky. To compare the army of New Russia and the Red Army of the 1944-1945 model is somehow not ethical. All your attacks are aimed at young people, mostly people who adequately evaluate events have gathered on this forum, and your humorous feuilletons cause only laughter. hi
  22. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 20 September 2014 17: 16
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    Quote: Алексей_К
    No coincidence. Russia has betrayed Novorossia. Ukraine has got a respite and is preparing for the offensive with much greater forces. Russia will not enter troops. Our president sold Novorossia because of his Swiss accounts.

    Weem who put this comment minus answer. I am RIGHT, Ukraine is preparing for a new attack. Why did Putin stop the offensive of the army of New Russia on the Nazis? After all, they could crush the entire fascist army, and this would only hasten the fall of the fascist regime in Kiev. I wrote earlier that the USSR, starting from the territory of Poland, continuously attacked (several months) the fascists, preventing them from regrouping, replenishing troops with ammunition and building new defensive fortifications. Otherwise, the Victory would not be on 9 of May, but God will know when. And we would hardly have defeated Japan. It would simply surrender to America and China would never become communist. And China would now be called not China, but Japan, because America didn't give a damn about it. Therefore, I consider Putin’s actions treacherous.
  23. sogdianec
    sogdianec 20 September 2014 23: 43
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    Quote: Алексей_К
    Cossacks always served the Tsar (by faith in truth) and did not support the Bolsheviks. Cossacks were always an armed formation. For disobedience to Soviet power, for the killing of Bolshevik agitators, for calls and readiness for rebellion, the Cossacks were disarmed and liquidated. Therefore, do not misinterpret the history of Russia.


    You have not read Denikin, but it’s a pity. And they didn’t hear anything about Krasnov.