"Adros" could not protect the Ukrainian aviation from "Strel" and "Eagle" militia of Donbass

According to various sources, Ukrainian aviation lost from 17 (official information) to 30 (information from militia) aircraft. Moreover, the militia fighters managed to bring down almost all types of aircraft that the Ukrainian side had: aircraft - An-30B, Il-76MD, An-26, Su-25, Su-24M, MiG-29, as well as helicopters - Mi-8 and Mi -24.

The only combat aircraft that could remain unharmed was the Su-27 fighter, since “the Ukrainian military had the sense not to hang blocks with unguided aircraft missiles on such planes and not to send them to storm the enemy’s positions,” "Messenger of Mordovia".

The successful application of aviation equipment was to help the station of optical-electronic suppression "Adros" KT-01АВЭ, which were installed on the upgraded Su-25 and Mi-24. According to the manufacturers of this product, it "was intended to provide highly effective active protection of helicopters against guided missiles with infrared homing heads of various types."

This station was supposed to successfully cope with the Soviet “Needle” and “Needle-1”, but in fact it could not “deceive” the old and proven militia missiles.

As a result, now Ukrainian aviation has to “lick its wounds”, repairing the remaining equipment. In addition, the possible arrival of Soviet aircraft and helicopters from abroad. Information about this has already appeared on the Internet.

Comments

[abrakadabre]

The article addresses an interesting topic. But there is no detailed analysis. It's a pity.

[patriot_serg]

Rather, the article is about ... for every zhpu with a labyrinth, there is ... with a screw. Yes and not the fact that Voentorg Needles are old.

[dauria]

But there is no detailed analysis. It's a pity.

Somewhere infa slipped through that this is a further development of the L-166V, known as "LIP", was placed on helicopters on top of the tail boom, behind the gearbox (like a lighthouse turret)
The principle is a quartz incandescent lamp with a conventional spiral, around which there are two cylindrical gratings with slots. One is motionless, the other rotates. As a result, the IR radiation of the lamp "flickers" with a frequency that coincides with the rotation of the rocket seeker's modulating disk. The result is the departure of the rocket in an angle from the equal-signal direction.
The trouble is that you need to know WHAT they shoot at you. How they twisted is not clear.

[air wolf]

LIPA, as the teacher in VVAUL told us only from Red Ey and other junk. Stinger and onwards have a couple or more ranges of selection (IR and UV, etc. probably RK and laser) so there is no escape from them yet!

[Akvadra]

Quote: abrakadabre

The article addresses an interesting topic. But there is no detailed analysis. It's a pity.

Well-known facts are listed again. I did not learn anything new. Everything is very superficial and somehow "empty". Alas!

[Altona]

Quote: Akvadra

Well-known facts are listed again. I did not learn anything new. Everything is very superficial and somehow "empty". Alas!

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Just like yesterday, we were intrigued by "why the Ukrainian tanks are on fire", but they did not do a technical analysis, they blamed everything on the carelessness of the crews ...

[volodyk50]

Quote: Moment

And there is nothing to bomb the cities. It is very good that the militia gave back in the form of a big fist.

You can even say good lyuley

for reference:

On November 16 on November 2009, the Volodarsky District Court of the city of Bryansk convicted Adron CEO of smuggling and sentenced him to five months in prison with a sentence in a penal colony. The director of the company was detained during customs inspection of the Moscow-Chisinau train on 12 on June 2009 in an attempt to illegally export technical documentation and a prototype of an infrared lamp to Ukraine, which is the main element of Russian anti-aircraft missile defense systems.

Because it didn’t work, sleep ** wasn’t possible.

TTH:
- The probability of failure of the attack of a helicopter MANPADS type "Stinger": 0,7-0,8
- The time of complete disruption of the capture of MANPADS of the "Stinger" type: 0,5-0,8 seconds.
- The station provides simultaneous counteraction to missiles with infrared homing heads of various types (with amplitude-phase, frequency-phase, time-pulse modulation) without reconfiguration.

Not a word about the "needle".

[neri73-r]

Not a word about the "needle".

Especially, about that which did not go for export!

[O_RUS]

"Well-known facts are listed again. I have not learned anything new. Everything is very superficial and somehow" empty ". Alas!"

Do you need a detailed analysis accessible to everyone?

[kayman4]

The war continues and any insightful analysis itself can push Ukrainian Facebook generals in the right direction - even by accident. On the one hand, it will be nice to be right, but on the other, well, nafig

[bmv04636]

And I have a suspicion that most of the downed dill planes and helicopters are sabotage

[Момент]

And there is nothing to bomb the cities. It is very good that the militia gave back in the form of a big fist.

[Wiruz]

For some reason I remembered the fable "The Monkey and the Glasses". There is a suppression system, but no one knows how it works

[inkass_98]

Quote: Wiruz

fable "Monkey and glasses".

Rather, a fable about ukrovlada - "The Monkey and the Point". Quote: "Here and there with a point ..."

[Gbanderlog]

Rather, no one knows if the same andros was installed or whatever it was, on a scale of more than 1 piece.

[insafufa]

Even the tricks of the infrared trap do not help against the arrows, and even more so the Americans have lost more than one Apache from the arrows with their bells and whistles.

[Giant thought]

Soviet weapons have always been of high quality, glory to Soviet and Russian weapons.

[antiseledka]

Here are just Soviet weapons on both sides of the front.

[Megatron]

If the gaskets are "behind the wheel", then no systems will help.

[panfil]

The most important thing is that ukrov has no aviation left. And in today's wars, no where without it. Nevertheless, overwhelming advantages can be achieved through the active use of aviation. Ground operation without air cover leads to the fact that the forces of the opponents are equalized. This can be seen both in the example of the ruins and in the example of Iraq, where regular troops of Iraq oppose ISIS almost without aviation and lose. So we wish further success to the troops of New Russia.

[zao74]

Processing of foreign scrap continues ...

[ighor]

Quote: abrakadabre

The article addresses an interesting topic. But there is no detailed analysis. It's a pity.

Yes, it would be interesting to read the comments of experts, especially since Adros is positioned with higher characteristics than its American counterparts

[Belopolyak]

Yes, looking at the soldier in peace, one gets the impression that from technology (tanks, aircraft) there is practically no sense as well as protection, because You can effectively deal with them with cheap remedies.
P.S. Well, I can’t believe in the complete mediocrity of dill ... something is wrong here.

[nomad]

There is no one to fight. Dill the last time probably fought in Afghanistan. And then those who fought there now in Dombas. And pravoseki - they can only cover and stir up scarves on the Maidan with scarves, and the warriors from them are like ...

[Good cat]

Sorry for the off-topic. About Makar. In Samara, his concert was canceled on 19.09. Moreover, they were canceled not because of "difficulties", but because tickets for his concert were bought, attentively, by 54 people, of whom 14 were representatives of the local "opposition", and 40 tickets were bought by his fellow party member on a civil platform. Oh how. Don't be shit. Makar. Greetings from Samara.

[duchy]

Sorry off topic, Well, finally we all learn firsthand where Makar calves do not pass (or do not pass).

[FACKtoREAL]

Let him go to trade at the "flea market" Gundosy Piven!

[GRAY]

Quote: Good cat

Do not be gov.n.m Makar.

It's time to blame Brighton Beach.

[fridge]

I think that in the future, all that remains of dill they will not be able to make a decent weapon. Having quarreled with Russia, the fate of the underdeveloped territory shines on him.

[DMB-75]

What they have done in the Donetsk and Lugansk republics, there is no forgiveness and scum seated at the helm, let the earth burn under their feet

[navara399]

Heavy photo. Death to the Nazis.

[Lyton]

Apparently Adros helped the psychologists most of all with the fenders, until a certain point until the rocket hit the aircraft.

[nomad]

Everything is great, except for one thing - "Adros" is our development, and it was tested against the "Needle". It looks like the "expired" needle was caught in the test. Or Dill's "Adros" are dead.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Nomad

"Adros" is our development,

Perhaps that "Andros" is made on the basis of one of the Soviet developments, but: "ADROS" KT-01 AVE is a Ukrainian-made optoelectronic suppression station (SOEP). Developed by NPF Hadron and produced by NPK Progress since 2005.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C0%C4%D0%CE%D1_(%D1%CE%DD%CF)
http://uos.ua/produktsiya/sistemi-zashchiti/119-
I believe these links will not hurt.
And actually borrowing military equipment from each other is not forbidden, and is not considered shameful. There are more than enough examples. Take the Israeli Trophy, because this is an analogue of the Soviet development. And whoever used it before is already the tenth case. The main thing is whose idea !!! That’s an occasion to call me once again antia semite

[nomad]

As far as I know, we buy these "Adros" from the Dill and put them on our turntables. We are only going to develop our own aphids, to rip up roofing felts from Ukrop. In short, import substitution.

[voyaka uh]

It's not Andros. I think he's fine. Bet
on Russian planes without fear.
The fact is that Ukrainian combat aircraft were shot down
not from MANPADS with infrared homing, but from
SAM with location guidance. Andros can't help here.

[URAL72]

VPK Weekly publishes an interview with Vladimir Butuzov, the chief designer of the Scientific Research Institute "Ekran", the creator of the unique complex for protecting airplanes and helicopters from guided air-to-air and ground-to-air missiles.
http://topwar.ru/32503-lazer-protiv-pzrk-sistema-optiko-elektronnogo-podavleniya
-zaschitit-ot-atakuyuschih-raket.html

[tlauicol]

Adros for helicopters is only set

[Sergey-72]

Quote: antiseledka

Here are just Soviet weapons on both sides of the front.

That's right, only some use it effectively, while others do not kick in the tooth, or as they say: "a monkey with a grenade."

[A1L9E4K9S]

Whatever it is, but the result is in person, the Ukrainians were left without aviation and let them figure out who is to blame and what to do, we care about it.

[xren]

"smart people learn from other people's mistakes"

[dr.star75]

Again the "Messenger of Mordovia". No, I'm fine with my neighbors, but maybe it's like: is Anna-News like that?

[Veteran of the Red Army]

According to various sources, Ukrainian aviation lost from 17 (official information) to 30 (information from militias) aircraft.

In addition, the arrival of Soviet aircraft and helicopters from abroad is possible.

And in addition to technology, pilots are also needed.

http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/576/lhwf32.jpg

[Dan1103]

in the light of events in Ukraine, something needs to be done with our aviation. too easy, the militia destroys the aircraft. and we have the same aircraft in service. Fighter aircraft

MiG-29 / MiG-29SMT - 255 (as of October 2009) + approximately 300 in storage
MiG-31 / MiG-31BM - 158 [8] + up to 200 in storage
Su-27 / Su-27SM - 271 + 100 in storage, 24 su-27cm + 12 su-27cm purchased in August 2009 (time of transfer to the troops - 2009-2011) + 2 Su-27 purchased in October 2009
Su-30 / Su-30MK2 - 5 + 4 purchased in August 2009 (time of transfer to the troops - until 2011)
Su-35 / Su-35BM - 4 + 48 purchased in August 2009 (time of transfer to the troops - 2010-2015)
Frontline Aviation

Su-25 / Su-25SM - up to 200 + 100 in storage [20] + 1 purchased in October 2009
Su-24 / Su-24M / Su-24M2 - up to 300 + 2 purchased in October 2009
Su-34 - 3 (Lipetsk Pulp and Paper Mill and PLC) + 32 purchased at the end of 2008 (military enrollment until 2014)
Long-range aviation

Tu-22M3 - 115 + 8 training + 90 (22M3 and 22M2 in storage)
Strategic Aviation

Tu-95MS / Tu-142 - 64 + 4 training (37th Air Army)
Tu-160 - 16 (37th Air Army)
Reconnaissance aircraft

Aircraft in operation - 180

Su-24MR - Up to 100
MiG-25RB - up to 30
A-50 - 20


Transport aircraft

Aircraft in operation - 260

IL-76 - 210
An-22 - 12 (4 flying)
An-72 - 20
An-124 - 22
Air tankers

IL-78 - 20
Combat Helicopters

Ka-50 - 15
Ka-52 - about 7 + 30 ordered in August 2009 (the exact date of entry into the army is not known) + 1 purchased in October 2009
Mi-24 - 840
Mi-28 - 27
Transport Helicopters

Mi-8 - 195 (160 - front-line aviation, 35 - aviation of the Navy) + 4 purchased in October 2009
Mi-14 - 9
Mi-26 - 25
Ka-60 - 7

[navara399]

Well, everything’s gone chef. the plaster is removed to the client.
Did you just find out? And now in shock?
Calm down!

[Barakuda]

Maybe not in the subject. Arrows and Eagles were also fired at the range. "Arrow" is kind of sluggish compared to "Needle". Visually visible ..
And about the Ukrainian aviation - a complete ass! Romanians have even more ...
I have a neighbor, a retired technician, all with honors, a fan, asked for help in the ATO, but only on a plane. They said no, only the infantry, we do not need you. Because there are practically no planes and never will be.
And why did a person study for so many years?

[sandrmur76]

Baracuda (1) put a neighbor on a barrel of gunpowder let him fly.

[AlNikolaich]

Apparently we don’t know what ... Most likely the suppression system
it is necessary to calibrate periodically, replace the quartz lamps, or
something else ... In short, an article, like an article about how tanks burn,
wraps more turbidity than clarifies something ...
I think so...

[gozmos]

this is how the American air defense failed to shoot down old missiles in Iraq)))

[Alexander]

I doubt that he was standing at least on one Su-25. There weren’t even heat traps there.

[Gray 43]

An article similar to yesterday's "Why are tanks burning ...." Tanks are burning, because they are being shot at and hit, with aviation, not schoolchildren, but experienced people, or trained in the correct work, as they say: "Rocket d ... ( stupid) - you have to think for her. "

[vdtomsk]

Quote: inkass_98

Quote: Wiruz

fable "Monkey and glasses".

Rather, a fable about ukrovlada - "The Monkey and the Point". Quote: "Here and there with a point ..."

Many options come to mind: A monkey with a crustacean, A monkey in a point ... Well, not folding at all: Dill in the head

[Barakuda]

"Rita" will tell you about the approach of the rocket, the shooting of heat "traps" will begin. BUT, their temperature is an order of magnitude higher than that of the engine, which is what the developers of MANPADS use, they simply do not react to them. Moreover, there is such "garbage" as a dark spot on a white background (for advanced systems).

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Barracuda

"Rita" will tell you about the approach of the rocket, the shooting of heat "traps" will begin. BUT, their temperature is an order of magnitude higher than that of the engine, which is what the developers of MANPADS use, they simply do not react to them. Moreover, there is such "garbage" as a dark spot on a white background (for advanced systems).

It is a pity that the Soviet warning system "Rita", with an announcer's voice in the cockpit, will warn a Russian-speaking Bandera pilot who has exchanged the industrial mentality for farming.

[oxotnuk86]

Clever technology and fools therefore got lost. Arrows and needles must be double-checked at home, maybe the protection really fails.

[gregor6549]

Politics and politicking aside, the Andros system was developed in Russia and was already discussed on this website a couple of years ago. http://topwar.ru/475-stinger-soshel-s-uma.html.
Those. it turns out that Russian aircraft equipped with the Russian system are poorly protected from Russian air defense systems. You can, of course, throw off a certain percentage of losses on the poor training of Ukrainian pilots, but the problem, it seems to me, is still not in them, but in technology. And this is an alarming bell, given that the equipment and weapons of any country sooner or later fall into the hands of those who are at war with this country. And sometimes earlier than in the hands of those who should protect this country.

[ICT]

Quote: gregor6549

Politics and politicking aside, the Andros system was developed in Russia and was already discussed on this website a couple of years ago. http://topwar.ru/475-stinger-soshel-s-uma.html.
Those. it turns out that Russian aircraft equipped with the Russian system are poorly protected from Russian air defense systems. You can, of course, throw off a certain percentage of losses on the poor training of Ukrainian pilots, but the problem, it seems to me, is still not in them, but in technology. And this is an alarming bell, given that the equipment and weapons of any country sooner or later fall into the hands of those who are at war with this country. And sometimes earlier than in the hands of those who should protect this country.

here we really need analysis (without politics) who and how brought down all this.
I can give a couple of videos from Syria

1 .MS OCA



2. MANPADS "Igla-1



Like everyone is alive. THE CONDITIONS FOR SHOOTING SUPER PERFECT (better than the training ground), the result minus two missiles