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The war in Ukraine: the continuation of fighting or truce?

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The war in Ukraine: the continuation of fighting or truce?


The second week continues the official truce in Ukraine. In accordance with the document signed on September 5, the Ukrainian armed forces and the militia of the self-proclaimed Luhansk and Donetsk people's republics ceased firing and began the exchange of prisoners. However, during the last days, attempts were regularly made to shoot at enemy positions. As a result of one of these attacks, OSCE observers came under fire from Ukrainian artillery. In addition, there are reports that indicate that the current truce is only a break in battle and is unlikely to lead to a real peace.

Recently it turned out that the new Kiev authorities are trying to take a number of measures aimed at restoring the potential of the armed forces. So, before the end of the year, it is supposed to transfer to the troops a certain amount of equipment and weapons, which will have to replace what was lost in the battles. In total, it is planned to purchase and transfer up to 140-145 units of various equipment to the troops: tanksarmored personnel carriers, aircraft, etc. Rifle weapon It is planned to purchase in the amount of several thousand units. Such purchases will cost the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense about 1,3 billion hryvnia (about 100 million US dollars).

The proposed plans for the modernization of the Ukrainian armed forces can indeed lead to a serious improvement in the combat capability of the troops. For example, with the money allocated, you can upgrade and return more than 300 T-64 tanks to service. Even with a reasonable distribution of funding between different areas, it is quite possible to restore the potential of the troops at the level of the beginning of the “anti-terrorist operation”. According to Ukrainian officials and the media, the troops and the National Guard are already receiving upgraded T-64BB-1 tanks.

The command of the armed forces of Ukraine almost does not hide its plans. Immediately after the signing of the armistice agreement, the regrouping of troops began. Various units of the army and the National Guard under change their deployment, as well as receive new weapons and equipment. So, 7 September militias published data obtained their intelligence: in Debaltsevo profit 32 the tank, and to Artemovskaya came 13 tanks, 15 antiaircraft self-propelled guns ZSU-23-4, 7 missile complexes "Point", 6 machines "Grad" and 1 MLRS " Tornado". Such actions of the Ukrainian military can only be interpreted as the preparation of a strike force for breaking through the defense of Novorossia and continuing hostilities.

The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, having learned about the transfer of troops to the area of ​​the city of Debaltseve, expressed its concern. Fears were conveyed to the Ukrainian side, to which she responded with assurances of the absence of any aggressive plans. Kiev claims that it is not going to violate the truce. However, as noted by Russian diplomats, assurances should be verified by practice. Russia is not interested in any of the parties violating the Minsk agreements, and therefore will closely monitor the situation.

The latest events directly indicate that Kiev is preparing a new offensive, the aim of which should be the seizure of new territories and settlements. Blowing technology to the city of Debaltsevo can directly speak about the main direction of impact. However, in the current situation, other localities may also be targeted, which is caused by the main features of the current conflict.

The direction of the strike and the goals of the Ukrainian troops and the National Guard are not completely clear. Nevertheless, there is reason to believe that in terms of casualties, the continuation of the war after the armistice will be the same as the previous battles. Over the past months, the so-called. The anti-terrorist operation killed a large number of civilians, and a large part of the survivors remained without a roof over their heads and was forced to leave their cities. Attempts are being made to restore the housing, but the limited possibilities, the approaching cold and the risk of new shelling do not make it possible to turn the tide.

Significant losses were sustained by the armed formations subordinate to the Kiev authorities. According to various sources, from the beginning of the so-called. ATO army and National Guard lost at least 10-12 thousand people killed and wounded. In addition, some fighters were captured or deserted. As a result, the authorities have to announce new mobilizations and, at the expense of newly-recruited soldiers, replenish the units participating in the battles.

Serious losses are incurred by the park of Ukrainian technology. During the war, at least 200-250 armored vehicles of various types were destroyed. In addition, almost one and a half hundreds of armored vehicles became trophies of the militias and were used against their former owners. Several dozen self-propelled artillery mounts, multiple rocket launcher systems and artillery pieces were destroyed or captured by the militia.

The militia of Novorossia a few months ago was able to create a fairly effective air defense system, because of which, by now, the Ukrainian Air Force has lost more than three dozen aircraft and helicopters. Moreover, after regular losses in mid-July, the ATO headquarters was forced to cease all combat operations for a while aviation.

To compensate for the losses, the aircraft and tank repair plants of Ukraine are actively engaged in the restoration of damaged equipment and vehicles that have been stored. For example, by the end of the year it is supposed to transfer to the troops nearly a hundred and fifty units of various equipment, for which substantial funding will be allocated. In addition, the possibility of the delivery of military equipment by third countries has been discussed for several months already.

Planned purchases of weapons and equipment will undoubtedly affect the state of the armed forces and the National Guard of Ukraine. Nevertheless, the prospects of upgraded and re-equipped units in the battle cause some questions and doubts. For several months of fighting, the militia of Lugansk and Donetsk turned into a real army with experienced fighters and a sufficient amount of equipment. As recent events show, the New Russia army is fully capable of effectively resisting a superior enemy and even seizing the initiative, carrying out offensive and gathering enemy troops into the boilers.

During the war, the militia of Novorossia gained strength and gained extensive experience in conducting military operations. The armed forces and the National Guard of Ukraine during this time suffered losses and demonstrated what the savings on the army and the illiterate management of it could lead to. It is quite possible that by the time the ceasefire ceases, the Ukrainian command will take into account previous mistakes and plan its actions based on the real situation and the experience gained. Nevertheless, the new Kiev authorities had enough time to study the situation and create a suitable strategy, but the losses of people and equipment continue.

Thus, the renewal of battles is guaranteed to lead to new casualties among personnel and equipment, as well as to civilian casualties. At the same time, however, the prospects and the ability of one side or the other to win is not completely clear. The armed forces and the National Guard of Ukraine still have superiority in numbers and technical equipment. Moreover, they have combat aircraft, which is absent from the militias. Nevertheless, despite the smaller number of people and equipment, the militia is able to restrain the enemy and intercept the initiative.

In the present situation, the parties can wage war only on exhaustion, since they are unable to completely suppress the resistance of their adversary. As a result, the continuation of battles in violation of the terms of the truce will lead to an increase in casualties and civilian casualties. A truce and negotiations on the future of Ukraine and Novorossia in this case prove to be the most beneficial solution for both parties to the existing problems, which do not imply new losses.

However, the Ukrainian army continues to pull up units and equipment to some cities in the combat zone. Such steps can only indicate plans to launch an offensive. Ukraine’s chances of ending the war with a complete victory are not too great, and therefore possible attempts to deliver a decisive blow look dubious. In addition, the termination of the truce will affect the reputation of the official Kiev as a reliable partner. It is not yet known exactly how events will develop. However, now there is evidence that one of the parties to the conflict does not intend to choose the least problematic and convenient way out of the situation.


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  1. volot-voin
    volot-voin 17 September 2014 09: 23
    +14
    The truce is a stab in the back of the Russian heroes.
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 17 September 2014 09: 26
      +8
      The resumption of full-scale hostilities can not be avoided. It is a matter of time. And the sooner the army of Novorossia begins to smash the Nazis, the better.
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 17 September 2014 10: 34
        +5
        to conduct full-scale offensive operations, troops and weapons + a strong rear are needed. Now there is no rear as such. And it, like the mobilization resource, needs to be created and increased. Therefore, the longer the "peaceful" respite, the better, by and large, for Novorossiya. In Kiev, the situation is the opposite, the longer they wait, the less chances of any success (even local). Therefore, they will start even before theirs fucking elections in VR. But there will be no success, as it did not happen during the summer campaign. There will be new "boilers" and new counter-attacks by the VSN. The only question is, at what borders will this next offensive of the Novorossiys stop.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 17 September 2014 16: 59
          +2
          Quote: OldWiser
          Therefore, they will begin even before their fucking elections in BP. But there will be no success

          "... the parties can only wage a war of attrition, since they are unable to completely suppress the resistance of their opponent."
          In Novorossia, there is especially nothing to deplete; it will be kept at the expense of the open border with the Russian Federation, especially in terms of armament and supply of troops.
          The Ukrkain leaders, however, will have to report to the bulk for cold, unemployment and, accordingly, not European hunger at all, albeit not so cruel as in the blockade of Cossacks Taras Bulba Dubno, for a real decline in living standards.
          So, time is probably playing on Novorossiya, but at the same time, it is necessary to "creep" increase the liberated territory, finally eliminate this Donetsk airport as a strong point for the Banderlog, create powerful enough partisan formations in the rear of the punitive forces, so that if something happens, decisively and quickly finita la comedia happened.
        2. timer
          timer 18 September 2014 22: 34
          0
          You are mistaken, comrade. Before the notorious armistice, the militia were on the rise, and with skillful leadership, they would take Mariupol and parashenka in addition and smash the dill in the boilers! And now, dill got the front for regrouping forces, and all the successes of the militias have come to naught ! This one is confused with his ceasefire plan, he’s only made it worse! I’m sure of one Fascist JUNT WANTS WAR, BECAUSE THEM WANT THEM HOST (USA)!
      2. zloybond
        zloybond 17 September 2014 11: 56
        +1
        The longer our houses will be dynamite Novorossiya to a truce, the better dill. While Novorossia is poured by driving it into a framework that is convenient for dynamos, the more time dill remove grain from mariupol from dill, build up and regroup units, prepare for provocations, etc.
        Of course, everyone needs a respite, but Donetsk and Lugansk citizens, who counted on the granaries of Mariupol, will celebrate the victory in Mariupol in empty warehouses. Surkov and his support are doing their job and the company of negotiators from urains, headed by a pensioner, did the main thing, made it possible for her to fulfill plans to strengthen garrisons and evacuate property. In general, they continue to clap their ears.
      3. VICTOR-61
        VICTOR-61 17 September 2014 12: 55
        +1
        I agree with you that the sooner you start to beat an enemy of dill, the better and drive them very far here with such a premise
      4. ZVEROBOY
        ZVEROBOY 17 September 2014 21: 36
        +2
        With this power in the Ukrainian world there will be no
    2. Момент
      Момент 17 September 2014 09: 28
      +12
      The truce is a stab in the back of the Russian heroes.

      I would not rush to conclusions. The militia also does not sit still. It repairs equipment, regroups, and it does not hurt a little respite. The only thing that annoys when militia trophies are shown is that they give coordinates where the warehouses are, where is the equipment, etc. I think , that you can’t show the location, it is they who will primarily be hit.
      1. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 17 September 2014 09: 38
        +2
        Quote: Moment
        . Repairing equipment, regrouping, and a little respite does not hurt.

        FORCED TO AGREE. +
      2. volot-voin
        volot-voin 17 September 2014 09: 53
        0
        Quote: Moment
        I would not rush to conclusions. The militia also does not sit still. Repairing equipment, regrouping, and a little respite will not hurt

        A respite from the army of Novorossia certainly will not hurt, just remember that a respite was needed to dill.
        Thanks to the truce, Mariupol was not taken, the successful offensive was stopped.
        1. Black
          Black 17 September 2014 10: 18
          +3
          Quote: volot-voin
          successful offensive stopped.


          Well, it must be called successful with caution.
          In recent days, when approaching Mariupol, the guys suffered considerable losses .... It is not known how the epic with the capture would end. Ukrainians placed BF at schools, at hospitals .... Blood in the knee of New Russia is not necessary, now they need to be beaten with life. IMHO.
          1. ordinary
            ordinary 17 September 2014 18: 00
            +1
            no need to advance anywhere .... WINTER IS COMING .... am
        2. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 17 September 2014 10: 36
          +2
          the VSN offensive would have had to be stopped, because of supply communications that were too stretched (for the available number of forces).
          1. vitamin ky
            vitamin ky 17 September 2014 13: 08
            +2
            there is such a plus unmeasured number of boilers at that time, it also draws strength and attention, Novorossia went too far with the boilers, it’s not permissible to stop them without liquidating, it’s not VoW, where the line of the fleet ran hundreds of kilometers from the boiler and it could just be to withstand manpower in them, bringing it to exhaustion -the same distance on the map children can’t really see it belay
            1. fiodor
              fiodor 17 September 2014 15: 48
              0
              Well, they made boilers as soon as they began to destroy them quietly, as soon as they surrounded Mariupol, so immediately a truce was raised. and that in the end, Mariupol has now been so strengthened that there will be much more to not take the victims. in general, it’s not yet clear that the continuation of the war will be unambiguous.
    3. kolyhalovs
      kolyhalovs 17 September 2014 09: 39
      +1
      I’ll clarify your words. The truce in the form that was signed in Minsk is a stab in the back.
      1. Момент
        Момент 17 September 2014 09: 49
        0
        But before the fragile truce, the militia could go on the offensive in only one direction. That is, there wasn’t enough forces to drive the dill in several directions, and then, I think, the militia would not agree to hee hee hee. Maybe I'm wrong. ..
    4. timurpl
      timurpl 17 September 2014 14: 39
      -1
      Quote: volot-voin
      The truce is a stab in the back of the Russian heroes.

      - So the truce came up with the Russian hero! Is not it so?
    5. timer
      timer 18 September 2014 22: 32
      0
      SIGNIFICANTLY! Before the notorious armistice, the militia were on the rise, and with skillful leadership, they would take Mariupol and parashenka in addition and smash the dill in the cauldrons! And now, dill got the front for regrouping forces, and all the successes of the militias have come to naught! This one is confused with his ceasefire plan, he’s only made it worse! I’m sure of one Fascist JUNT WANTS WAR, BECAUSE THEM WANT THEM HOST (USA)!
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 17 September 2014 09: 34
    +2
    The second week continues the official truce in Ukraine.-The second week Donetsk is burning .. from shelling ... The ceasefire as such ended without starting, in fact ... the parties are looking for weaknesses .. type reconnaissance in battle ...
  3. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 17 September 2014 09: 34
    +1
    I now cannot understand what benefit the militias can derive from this "truce"? In my opinion, none at all, all the benefits go to ukram, ukroarmiya proved to the whole world that it is useless for anything, but with the time and sufficient number of experienced foreign instructors, you can even from such a Mr. to blind something more or less decent, after all, you don't have to reach the level of the American army, it is enough that they rush in the right direction with a wild howl and shouts of "Glory to Ukraine", and here it is enough to teach them to run from cover to shelter is enough, but TSN and 1 + 1 will take care of "patriotic education" ... And in general, it seems to me that the Ukrainian "leadership" is of the opinion that "the more they get there, the better ..," .. ...
  4. waisson
    waisson 17 September 2014 09: 39
    +3
    -------------------------- hi
  5. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 17 September 2014 09: 47
    +6
    Quote: volot-voin
    The truce is a stab in the back of the Russian heroes.

    The offensive also cannot continue indefinitely. A respite from New Russia is needed no less. Here are just undercover games at this time alarming.
  6. Mefodi5124
    Mefodi5124 17 September 2014 09: 48
    +2
    It is impossible to agree with fascism ...
  7. Badger
    Badger 17 September 2014 09: 55
    +3
    The continuation of the war is inevitable. After the elections, a nationalist majority will come to the Rada, and they crave war and NATO supports them, which inspires confidence. Most likely, the intense start of battles will resume next spring. Or maybe they will want to show what cool steel the APU and the National Guard battalions will start in the winter. The main thing is that the militias do not sleep.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 17 September 2014 10: 41
      0
      If Kiev violates the terms of the ceasefire (and in fact it was violated from the very announcement), then the Russian Federation can recognize Novorossia (DPR, LPR) and conclude an agreement (s) with it (them) on military-technical cooperation - then VoenTorg will work already quite officially, and the introduction of a limited military contingent will be legally justified. And then the VSN will have any necessary weapons - up to front-line aviation and medium-range multiple launch rocket systems.
  8. Ober.K
    Ober.K 17 September 2014 10: 12
    0
    On the side to look and offer easier. Those who organize this process think better what and how to do.
    Quote: volot-voin
    The truce is a stab in the back of the Russian heroes.
  9. Name
    Name 17 September 2014 10: 22
    0
    The Minsk truce ... for .... and not for anyone. Right-winged pigs are not subordinate to the FACT. For New Russia, the main thing is NOT to allow the relocation and strengthening of the remaining. hi
  10. olf_1959
    olf_1959 17 September 2014 10: 27
    0
    It is necessary to recognize the independence of the DPR and LPR, to conclude an agreement on security and the provision of military assistance. Then let the Ukrainians try to attack. Fuck all the fuck with aviation and let them then scratch their turnips.
  11. Mishanya 84
    Mishanya 84 17 September 2014 10: 42
    +1
    In addition, the ceasefire will affect the reputation of official Kiev as a reliable partner.

    Reliable partner????!!!!!! Do not tell my hooves. There were no such star-sick hypocrites in history.
  12. Cristall
    Cristall 17 September 2014 11: 04
    +1
    Quote: olf_1959
    . Fuck all the fuck with aviation and let them then scratch their turnips.

    like six months everyone writes that everyone is waiting for this ..
    As for the election. Everything is bad in the fact that SE will score again in the elections ... They scored in the presidential election - ZU and TsU chose Poroshenko. They will score at the parliamentary elections - all sorts of VV Svolota and Batkivshchyna will come ... the organizers of the Maidan and the ongoing fun in Ukraine ..
    And they will no longer be restrained either by the regionals (opposition) or the Communists (quite likely they will not)
    SE as usual does not have its own representative in the government ... all again, the nationalists will decide to the detriment of the Russian language and culture and relations.
    It would be necessary to clearly carry out an electoral program - to show what VO Svolota and Batkivshchyna have "achieved" over this year. Without Janus and Azarov ... what did they make Ukraine in terms of economy and life.
    And to vote, if not for their own, then against these (as usual in elections).
    One gets the impression that the political leaders of SE and their parties are specially ruinous to discredit and do not even show for one purpose - not to prevent the nationalists from quietly gaining a majority - since the memory will vote for them. But there are more people in SE ... but he will not come to the polls to decide his fate. And this is specially arranged .. they work on the nonsense of Russians (southern and eastern Ukrainians)
    1. Fin
      Fin 17 September 2014 14: 52
      +1
      Quote: Cristall
      Everything is bad in the fact that SE will score again in the elections ... They scored in the presidential election - ZU and TsU chose Poroshenko. They will score at the parliamentary - all sorts of VV Svolota and Batkivshchyna will come.

      Do you really believe that the SE vote has changed anything? The main thing is who believes. In addition, New Russia does not see itself as part of the decoration.
    2. badger1974
      badger1974 17 September 2014 22: 30
      +1
      it’s special for you to blow uncles with machine guns, well, so, the Southeast will be calmer and Novorossia even calmer without b..y
      I already threw the ekspron, perhaps more special for you
      We are like three sisters in one apartment
      Russia is the eldest, Belarus is the youngest
      smart, hardworking, well, Ukraine is beautiful, but fornication is finished,
      every three years, a divorce, maidan, a new man, party people with homosexuals ..
      Well, they tolerated it, they’ve loved it all, and then the Negro dragged it in, promised a beautiful life, in a European closet where homosexual addicts hang out, they need to freeze for freebies, glamor and all that
      but for now it’s necessary, he says, to register it with us and place a hut on it,
      Well, of course, we understand that this is a con man, he’s spreading the area,
      trying to interfere, they say, look at yourself, a drug addict and even with speed,
      there’s already his legs falling off, you don’t go, but you jump who needs you,
      and she, a stupid fool, refused the family, considers us enemies
      thinks we envy her happiness with blacks
      in short, we talked with a cousin Kazakhstan from a neighboring apartment
      decided we’ll forcefully treat
      Native all
  13. padded jacket
    padded jacket 17 September 2014 11: 11
    +1
    Motorists at their leisure in Komsomolskoye:
  14. padded jacket
    padded jacket 17 September 2014 11: 14
    +1
    The punishers were blown away and ran. Batman:
  15. padded jacket
    padded jacket 17 September 2014 11: 28
    0
    Prisoner of war exchange:
  16. padded jacket
    padded jacket 17 September 2014 11: 32
    0
    Interview with wounded militias:

    1. Nina Zima
      Nina Zima 17 September 2014 12: 35
      0
      HELP THE LORD !!!
  17. padded jacket
    padded jacket 17 September 2014 11: 35
    +2
    The consequences of shelling:

  18. padded jacket
    padded jacket 17 September 2014 11: 37
    0
    The Kiev junta wants to turn the Donbass into its reservation:
  19. Nina Zima
    Nina Zima 17 September 2014 12: 27
    +3
    17.09.14/XNUMX/XNUMX. Overview of the combat situation from a military analyst.

    "I must say right away that there is still silence in the LPR, which means that the entire review will be devoted to the DPR.

    Over the evening of September 16th, it becomes apparent that the junta chose to play without risk. That is, she will not try to reverse the course of the fighting by a counteroffensive. Reserves were thrown to support factions surrounded. A breakthrough of two tank companies to the Donetsk airport (most likely removed from under Volnovakha). Attempts to break through Panteleymonovka to Zhdanovka (I think part of the forces was withdrawn from under Debaltseve). All this suggests that the junta is first trying to stabilize the northern front that began to fall apart.

    Now briefly by directions.

    Mariupol. A few days ago, the junta here troops. Now hastily throws them to the north. This indicates. that the offensive VSN has reached its goals. Junta plans seriously violated. This also shows the situation in other areas.

    South and southwest of Donetsk. The fighting almost subsided. The junta is moving forces north to help the airport.

    North of Donetsk. 15-th to the night the rout of the junta grouping around the airport was complete. Knocked out all the armored vehicles. But it was reported that two tank companies were breaking through to the area (most likely from the Ugledar-Volnovakha region), which stabilized the front line for a while and the defeat of the junta’s troops did not turn into a catastrophe.

    Panteleymonovka. Fierce battles. Junta pulling up reserves trying to turn the tide in their favor. So far unsuccessfully.

    Debaltsevo. The junta is still conducting reconnaissance in force in various directions. But he is not yet on the offensive. Yesterday's search for Stakhanov "cooled" hot heads. Now they are looking for weak points in the defense of the VSN.

    Results. In general, there is reason to believe that the VSN strike on the northern front confused the enemy's cards and forced them to save their encircled troops instead of the prepared offensive. Do they have powers beyond? I think there are, but they are clearly not enough for a general offensive. Hence, it is not a fact that the junta will be able to start it in the next week. If he can. The VSN will most likely focus on the destruction of the surrounded groupings of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (Zhdanovka, Debaltsevo, Airport). It makes no sense to advance further in the light of the transfer of the junta's reserves in this direction. "
  20. padded jacket
    padded jacket 17 September 2014 12: 59
    0
    News of New Russia:
  21. LIS 25
    LIS 25 17 September 2014 13: 01
    0
    for some reason it seems to me that this is the calm before the storm. Or do the banderlyugs have no strength? request I hope that winter will help ours. soldier
  22. padded jacket
    padded jacket 17 September 2014 13: 11
    +1
    Pervomaisk destroyed by the Ukrainian military:
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  24. Nina Zima
    Nina Zima 17 September 2014 13: 23
    +3
    fun to live in dill ...
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  26. padded jacket
    padded jacket 17 September 2014 13: 27
    +2
    Poem about Ukraine in Europe smile :
  27. aszzz888
    aszzz888 17 September 2014 13: 37
    0
    As a result of one of these shellings, OSCE observers fell under the fire of Ukrainian artillery.


    More often they would fall under fire. You look, and before you would comb your turnips.
  28. vodolaz
    vodolaz 17 September 2014 13: 51
    0
    I was sure that dill would not calm down.
  29. I think so
    I think so 17 September 2014 15: 06
    -5
    Putin made the militia STOP THE ATTACK! And thus he gave Kiev the opportunity to regroup and prepare a NEW ATTACK! And after all this, FOR WHOM Russia and the President personally? Way put a candle in the temple for the militia of New Russia ... or for the reprimand of these heroes? And when at last he will understand that ALREADY NO BACK WAY, both for him personally and for all of Russia! And therefore ONLY FORWARD! Otherwise, they will devour and rot in the cell some Hague tribunal ... Now it has only two options - either FULL VICTORY or LIVING in the Hague ... This concerns personally, but the country will be divided, the population will be on the reservation and they will spread rot for the BEST OF THE PRESENT (although it would seem much more and so the country is dying out at 0.5 million per year).
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 17 September 2014 23: 15
      +1
      Perhaps it was right - to stop the offensive.

      Let's face it: the chances of a complete and unconditional victory on both sides are very illusory. Both sides will need powerful outside support in order to gain a similar victory over the enemy. The DPR / LPR will be able to crush the rest of Ukraine for itself only with the active intervention of Russia, which will not be: we do not need such problems. Europe, too, will sooner or later get tired of supporting Ukraine; Europeans have financial affairs, and so not so hot lately.

      And so, there is a chance to freeze the conflict, which will be beneficial to almost everyone: neither Europe nor Russia needs a protracted military conflict right at its side. All that remains is the United States - the only ones who have endless war on hand, but there is a good chance that they will merge the current government as they merged Saakashvili (right into the rhyme :)).

      As a result, the DPR / LPR will become conditionally independent (like Abkhazia), Kiev will continue to consider them their own, from time to time reminding Moscow of this in order to knock out another discount on gas or something else. Slightly healthy, of course, but still a bad world is better than a good quarrel.
  30. padded jacket
    padded jacket 17 September 2014 15: 59
    +1
    The militias again found the "Tochka":
  31. padded jacket
    padded jacket 17 September 2014 16: 58
    +1
    I have not seen. Odessa is fighting in the Donbass against Ukraine:
  32. padded jacket
    padded jacket 17 September 2014 17: 32
    +1
    Death to the Nazis !!!:
  33. padded jacket
    padded jacket 17 September 2014 17: 39
    +1
    Video from September 5th but for some reason I didn’t see it. For the one who also missed:
  34. padded jacket
    padded jacket 17 September 2014 18: 03
    0
    The defeat by the militia of the Armed Forces in the village. Stepanovka (film 2):
  35. Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 17 September 2014 22: 36
    0
    New Russia, it's time to call yourself Ukraine and form the army of Ukraine, then you can safely go to Transcarpathia, restore the territorial integrity of Ukraine. And to expel those who wish in Europe, in a gay rope.
  36. ISKANDER25
    ISKANDER25 18 September 2014 20: 04
    0
    Our grandfathers did so!