How Russia decided to freeze Ukraine

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Four states said that Russia had reduced their gas supplies. Poland was short of either 24% or 45%, Austria - 15%, Slovakia - 10%, and Germany discovered a very small shortage. Gazprom denies non-compliance with Eurocontracts. In the meantime, the Polish gas transmission company stopped gas reversal to Ukraine, which Yatsenyuk did not like. He told the European Commission that by cutting supplies, Russia decided to freeze Ukraine in the winter. After the Kyivan performance, the Poles immediately resumed the gas supply to the Ukrainian side. It seems that Yatsenyuk is becoming more and more influential politician in Europe.

How Russia decided to freeze Ukraine


Gas "series" started a week ago, 8 September. The Polish state-owned gas company PGNiG announced that gas supply from Russia is decreasing. 8 September, the company recorded a decrease in supply by 20% against the contract performance, and the next day - by 24%. ("BBC" later cited data and on the reduction of supply in one day, 11 September, by 45%.)

Then, on September 10, Slovakia complained about gas problems in the face of Slovensky plynarensky priemysel. On that day, a discrepancy was found in 10%. It was also about the gas going through the territory of Ukraine.

According to RBC, Austria also reported interruptions in Russian gas supplies. According to the company E-Control, 11 September, the volume of gas supplied was 15% lower than the contract.

Then the press published a statement by the German energy concern E.ON. From there they reported a decrease in the volume of gas supplies received from Russia. "The current small restrictions on the supply of Russian gas have no effect on the situation with the energy supply [of Germany]," the representative of the concern quotes RBC.

However, Gazprom denies non-fulfillment of contractual obligations.

“We work in accordance with contracts, export volumes are stable, at the usual level for September. There is no reduction in supply, but there is no growth due to injection into underground storage facilities. There will be an opportunity, there will be resources - we will add. For example, in Poland today, September 12, we increased supplies to 23,2 million cubic meters. m per day, ”said Gazprom representative Sergei Kupriyanov to RBC. He then explained that the companies of the countries that reported underdelivery, on the indicated days, just applied for fuel in excess of the contract, and received volumes closer to the minimum specified in the agreements.

Thus, let us add to this, it is not at all about contractual, but about the requested volumes of gas (“above the contract”). Gazprom is not obliged to satisfy bids in excess of contractual norms.

However, Ukraine sounded the alarm. Presented by Arseniy Yatsenyuk. He told reporters that Kiev complained about Russia to the European Union. According to him, Russia's actions, forcing European companies to stop gas reversal to Ukraine, are "a clear sign of Russia's unreliability as a gas supplier."

Yatsenyuk said that the Ministry of Energy and coal Industry of Ukraine had appealed to the European Commission with a request to check the actions of Russia. "Russia used and uses gas as one of the weapons. The idea of ​​Russian Gazprom is clear: to stop the reverse flow. They want to freeze us in the winter, ”Yatsenyuk newspaper quotes "Sight". Then the Ukrainian Prime Minister expressed confidence that the European partners would fulfill their obligations: after all, Ukraine had made an advance payment.

September 12 "series" rushed to the denouement. It became known that Poland resumed reverse gas supplies to Ukraine.

The head of Naftogaz of Ukraine, Andrei Kobolev, told Fifth Channel that Ukraine could do without Russian gas in winter, provided there were reverse supplies from Europe, as well as gas savings in 25%. "According to our calculations, - quotes him "Moscow Komsomol", - we will be able to go completely winter season without Russian gas under the condition of full capacity utilization through Slovakia, under the condition of insignificant load of the Hungarian direction, under the condition of average load of the Polish direction and under the condition of saving 25% gas consumption. Now, these savings are already occurring naturally by reducing consumption in conflict regions. ”

During the gas “series”, the press remembered the words of the head of Gazprom, Alexey Miller, spoken by him in the summer. In June, Miller saidthat Gazprom "is closely watching the reverse," and in the future may limit supplies to gas supplying companies to Kiev.

Other words came to mind. Writes Interfax, Miller stated that gas supplies from Poland and Hungary to Ukraine contradict the contract: “Reverse supplies are a semi-mechanical mechanism. The so-called ring reverse, when on the border of Ukraine and Poland, Ukraine and Hungary, gas chases in a circle, it is shown to everyone that the physical volumes of European gas are supplied to Ukraine, but in reality it is Russian gas. ”

Expressed and Vladimir Putin. He promised to reduce the volume of gas in the European market in case of violation of contractual conditions: “If someone thinks that it is possible to solve the problem of Ukraine’s energy supply by means of reverse supplies, it is deeply mistaken. First, if we see that someone is violating our gas supply contracts, we will reduce the volume, and physical volumes on the European market will simply not be enough. ”

According to Sergey Pravosudov, Director General of the National Energy Institute, whose words "Free press"To ensure a legitimate reverse scheme, a European company must buy gas and then sell to Ukraine.

“As far as I know, in the long-term contracts there was a clause that prohibits re-export of gas. But then European companies have achieved the abolition of this requirement, as a result of which they received the right to re-export. Now no one can forbid them. But there is another important point: Gazprom delivers fuel according to the “take or pay” formula. That is, they contain minimum volumes that our counterparties are required to purchase. If the need of the buyer exceeds the agreed rate (for example, in the cold period), additional supplies depend on the goodwill of Gazprom.


As a result, the expert notes, “everything depends on the decision of Gazprom.” A Russian company may agree to a Europe-Ukraine reverse scheme, in which Europeans resell gas to Ukraine, but “pay at the same time a Russian corporation at an adequate price, taking into account the margin received”. Moscow can say no and reduce the volume of deliveries. Theoretically, this is possible, the analyst believes.

Recall that at the end of August, the press wrote about the offer "Gazprom" discounts for Ukraine. The gas giant was ready to give Ukraine a discount in 100 dollars, said Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak after a bilateral meeting between Russia and the EU. The cost of a thousand cubic meters at a discount would be 385,5 dollars. The head of the Ministry of Energy also did not rule out the unauthorized gas extraction by Ukraine during the transit of fuel through its territory to Europe.

"The situation on the eve of the heating season is critical," - quotes him "Lenta.ru".

Novak noted that Naftogaz’s debt to Gazprom is 5,3 billion dollars. Ukraine has not paid 11 billions of cubic meters of gas supplied.

By the way, European Commissioner for Energy Gunther Oettinger said that Naftogaz’s debts to Gazprom are indisputable.

However, Kiev, through the mouth of Arseniy Yatsenyuk, insisted in the summer on the price of 268 dollars per thousand cubic meters. Toward the fall, his position changed: the prime minister offered two options to Gazprom: in the summer 300 dollars per thousand cubic meters, and in the winter - 380 dollars.

According to Kiev, the reverse of Ukraine is beneficial, since the “blue fuel” bought out in Europe costs “Naftogaz” seven per cent cheaper than in the case of direct deliveries from Gazprom.

We note in conclusion that today Ukraine pays for “reverse” gas from 370 to 400 dollars for 1000 cubic meters (the most expensive option is Hungarian). Analysts believe that gas spot prices will rise in the winter.

In addition, the selection of gas in Europe will increase, and Ukraine may begin to suck paw.

Probably, in winter conditions Kiev will become more compliant. Especially since European Commissioner Ettinger, as it turned out, does not play along with Yatsenyuk. Still: Ettinger needs to think that no one is frozen in Europe. Otherwise, the European Commissioner will have to seek political asylum in the vicinity of Maidan Nezalezhnosti.

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  1. +30
    16 September 2014 09: 16
    yes not paw she will suck ...

    Oleg hello ...
    1. +2
      16 September 2014 09: 39
      Quote: vorobey
      yes not paw she will suck ...

      What exactly? Sanya, your post requires clarification, specifics, so to speak. Speak directly, as it is. I won’t put a warning, but I’ll inform Smirnov winked Well, you know, I’m obliged to report feel
      Hey.
      1. +17
        16 September 2014 09: 42
        Have you ever rubbed a solarium or merged gasoline?

        how our zampotechs were kidding - you won’t earn money. feel
        1. +12
          16 September 2014 10: 04
          Quote: vorobey
          Have you ever rubbed a solarium or merged gasoline?

          In this regard, I lost my virginity back in 12 years. I had a go-kart circle, go-karts, and there was no gas, so in the evenings I had to run past the unattended cars with a hose in my mouth laughing
          1. +7
            16 September 2014 10: 36
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            There was a karting circle, karting, but there was no gas, so in the evenings I had to run past the unattended cars with a hose in my mouth


            Ha Romanov, you got a minus one who was caught instead of you and attached a hose like a tail ... wassat
            1. +2
              16 September 2014 11: 05
              Quote: vorobey
              Ha Romanov, you slammed a minus the one who instead of you caught and attached a hose like a tail.

              Not Sanya, the one who slammed me minus that's what he writes about himself ....
              About himself writes: Author of short stories, poems, books on philosophy and physics.
              This is a nerd from the 5th B whom we smacked at school laughing Looks like I remembered how he was not loved by those who loved karting wassat
              1. +2
                16 September 2014 11: 18
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                This is a nerd from the 5th B whom we smacked at school


                It’s interesting what was done at school with such characters as a senya rabbit, an ostrich bracelet with a mouth, an Indian with a bow Sema Semenchenko. Well, Andryushka, an unwise person in general studied at another school ...

                It seems that Ukraine is ruled by offended at the school of botany ..
                1. +12
                  16 September 2014 12: 13
                  Quote: vorobey

                  It’s interesting what was done at school with such characters as a senya rabbit, a kind of brave olezhka,

                  Sanya chyrimil them and not only in school. On the street they spread rot and kicked, and Lyashko ran home faster and now he has a rescue elevator, Olezhka presses a button and goes up to his rescue floor. All that remains is to get out of the elevator and open the door home. he will get the keys to the hut and get ready to walk out of the elevator, the elevator doors open, and there ...... a gang of marshals wassat
                  1. +2
                    16 September 2014 15: 16
                    The test score, I especially like how at the same time the seeds are lush and wave their rosary.)) I put a plus
        2. +9
          16 September 2014 11: 17
          When my parents lived in Ukraine under the USSR, I came to visit them. On the Volga gas-24 station wagon. And the gas stations are all empty. but you need to go home to Novosib anyway. Got moonshine, went out of town. He put the canisters on the road and showed a recognizable gesture with his hand all over the world. Gorilka, guys, the most faithful political tool. Already up to the Urals, gasoline was enough then ...
          1. +4
            16 September 2014 11: 21
            Quote: LukaSaraev
            . Gorilka, guys, the most faithful political tool. Already up to the Urals, gasoline was enough then ...


            sho Ukrainians for vodka themselves sucked / drained?
          2. Serjant_VS_SSSR
            +1
            17 September 2014 12: 06
            Not only the right political instrument, but also liquid convertible currency! Therefore, I propose replacing the US dollar with moonshine. For example, 1 $ = 1l. The dollar is in no way secured by anything, and it is moonshine even in Africa moonshine.)))))))))
        3. +2
          16 September 2014 20: 45
          Why suck ?! The tanker pumped up the camera from KAMAZ with cargo. The mark on the neck is normal (for the storekeeper of the fuel and lubricants warehouse), and before the specified procedure, we quietly merge 90-100 liters of d / t. Learn, infantry ...
          1. 0
            16 September 2014 21: 12
            the most stubborn ones simply poured water into the tank instead of the drained benzene.
            He arrived, noted at the gmschik, stood for half an hour (so that it would be stratified normally), and poured out water, it is below.
      2. +2
        16 September 2014 12: 38
        will suck the pipe
        1. 0
          16 September 2014 16: 46
          Quote: seregatara1969
          will suck the pipe

          The elderly bear. feel
    2. +6
      16 September 2014 10: 13
      Quote: vorobey
      yes not paw she will suck ...

      Oleg hello ...


      Hi Sasha. We are cultural people. Where others would be rude, we know how to joke.
      1. +11
        16 September 2014 10: 56
        You do not have solidarity, GSPDA. It’s one thing to suck gasoline through a rubber hose, ANOTHER gas !! There's a pipe. That thick one, like her darling ...
        1. +4
          16 September 2014 11: 08
          Quote: ankir13
          You don’t have solidarity, gspda ...


          We do not have solidarity with the pederasts. wassat



          Quote: ankir13
          It’s one thing to suck gasoline through a rubber hose, OTHER gas !! There's a pipe. That thick one, like her darling ...


          so let her shove this thick pipe into her ... as the American proverb says - the problems of the Sheriff’s Negroes are not interested ...

          ask what about brotherly feelings? there are old people. children .. ran across. We also have old people and children ..
        2. +27
          16 September 2014 11: 19
          Quote: ankir13
          ! There's a pipe. That thick one, like her darling ...

          Have a talented teacher wink
          1. +4
            16 September 2014 11: 27
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Have a talented teacher


            They say the price is bent ... competitors ate ..
            1. +1
              16 September 2014 12: 14
              Quote: vorobey
              They say the price is bent.

              Maybe she just didn’t want to suck.
              1. +2
                16 September 2014 14: 23
                Maybe she just didn’t want to suck.
                In the required remaining volumes. Or corny lips tired ...
          2. 0
            16 September 2014 19: 30
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Have a talented teacher

            And where do you (you) find so obviously suitable frames (avatars) ... I want this in the collection
        3. 0
          16 September 2014 15: 19
          greed is a great power)
      2. -1
        16 September 2014 15: 18
        I agree, for example, not to suck a paw, but to suck!
      3. Tyumen
        +1
        16 September 2014 18: 55
        Quote: Mart
        . We are cultured people. Where others would be rude, we know how to joke.

        Maybe not very cultured, but ... polite people.)
    3. 0
      16 September 2014 18: 42
      suck, lick ..., this is to the west, led by a geyropa and gamemasnikami, these are their topics !!!
  2. VICTOR-61
    +26
    16 September 2014 09: 17
    What tricky people wanted to supply gas to Ukraine secretly - you won’t be left alone in the priest
  3. +4
    16 September 2014 09: 21
    In light of what is happening, I hope that Gazprom will not offer any discounts! So I want to say; Died, so dead! In winter, they will take extra charge!
  4. +7
    16 September 2014 09: 21
    Ukraine can do without Russian gas in winter
    Yeah, something like this:
    1. +2
      17 September 2014 00: 59
      Quote: Denis
      Ukraine can do without Russian gas in the winter, yeah, something like this:

      Or so:
  5. +2
    16 September 2014 09: 24
    Ours clearly warned - there will be a reverse - there will be no gas. Well, now it will be - who did not hide ... may step aside and cry.
    1. VICTOR-61
      +9
      16 September 2014 09: 35
      Yes, a difficult year 2015 for Ukraine will be brewed themselves porridge
  6. 0
    16 September 2014 09: 24
    One feels the approach of cold weather and elections. Children's political babble grows stronger. Ukrainians And .. On
  7. Bear13
    +2
    16 September 2014 09: 27
    Kills the position of the rabbit. It requires (!!!) that the European Commission sort out the supply of Russian (!!!) gas. Moreover, from media sources it is known that Ukraine made an advance payment to Poland for reverse gas for several months in advance. But there is no money to settle with Russia.
  8. Freemason
    +1
    16 September 2014 09: 27
    How they stole gas in Ukraine and they steal ... nothing new. And Europe sincerely believes in the honesty of Dill. follow the logic of the Europeans! GAS IS DELIVERED TO YOU, AND HE DROPPERS ON A SPECIFIC PLOT ... surprisingly straight even ...
    1. +6
      16 September 2014 09: 36
      As for theft, I'm not sure right now. Gazprom said one hundred just supply gas not so much as requested, but as much as the minimum required by the contract. And then they waved and asked a lot over the contract. Gazprom says no so much, and we are fulfilling the contract.
  9. +1
    16 September 2014 09: 30
    Ukraine is not only hunger, but it will not be a cold.
    1. 0
      17 September 2014 04: 40
      Imperialkolorad
      Ukraine is not only hunger, but it will not be a cold.

      How many relatives do she have? There is still an uncle, his scribe's name. And there was still a relative of the Holodomor. Something has not been heard for a long time about this relatives. Looks not up to him yet.
  10. VICTOR-61
    +10
    16 September 2014 09: 31
    What can the supply of gas lead, as always, to dill dill, as a result, to many Europeans who are lacking
  11. +5
    16 September 2014 09: 35
    Gas is not only warm at home, but also a political tool in the right hands and it must be used, because the west has completely lost its coast from its Russophobia and insanity. In war, all methods are good. It is strange that the west covers Ukraine, which owes Russia a lot of money for gas. If we owed someone, no one would have mercy on us. Therefore, I think it’s time to tighten the nuts all the way.
    1. 0
      16 September 2014 11: 46
      I wonder what this means.

      SECHIN complained to Medvedev on the monopoly of Miller

      http://omskzdes.ru/politics/27386.html
      1. 0
        16 September 2014 17: 53
        I will continue, well, I really want to know your opinion, "what smells like".

        Rosneft President Igor Sechin proposed to the Russian government to strengthen control over Gazprom. He is in favor of changing the order of access of independent gas producers to the gas transmission system (GTS) of the monopolist.

        In late August, Igor Sechin sent two letters to Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, in which he said that Gazprom would allow independent producers to the GTS at its discretion. There is no regulatory framework for this, which leads to many months of approval and delay in contracts. Gas has to be pumped into underground storage facilities, which also belong to Gazprom. Outrageous tariffs are set for their use, which, according to Igor Sechin, makes gas trading in Russia unprofitable.

        In 2014, the profit from the sale of 1 thousand cubic meters of gas in Russia is 200-400 rubles, and UGS services - 500-900 rubles per 1 thousand cubic meters. Because of this, Gazprom has additional leverage over independent producers and forces them to sell gas to it at a non-market price. Transportation of gas through Gazprom pipes is also expensive for gas producers.

        The President of Rosneft also proposes to create three special commissions under the government commission for the fuel and energy complex, the Federal Antimonopoly Service and the Federal Tariff Service to control access to the GTS and over Gazprom's tariffs.

        Dmitry Medvedev, in turn, instructed the FTS, the Ministry of Economic Development, the Ministry of Energy and the Federal Antimonopoly Service to respond to Igor Sechin’s comments and submit his position before September 18.
  12. Simonov
    +18
    16 September 2014 09: 38
    It looks like we are losing the gas battle.
    In the spring of Gazprom, it was announced that a reverse is technically impossible - the Ukrains are pumping from all countries.
    Nobody is going to pay a debt of 5,3 billion. The most probable solution is that our aligarchs will give urkaine a loan to repay the debt to us. then write off quietly.
    Again Miller, with the eyes of a shitty dog, will explain the current necessity of such a step. They will again increase the cost of gas for the "population".
    1. +3
      16 September 2014 13: 36
      Quote: Simonov
      They will again increase the cost of gas for the "population".

      And if you do not sell gas to Europe for the population will be cheaper? And not only gas. Yes
      Quote: Simonov
      Urkainians download from all countries.

      Who said they rock?
      Probably sooner keep gas paid by EU countriesand Kiev is paying compensation for the gas to the geyropets.
      Well, if so, then Gazprom doesn’t care, the money doesn’t smell, the whole question is in price. The price for the over limit should be appropriate - so that the head does not swing ... lol
      and in order to return 5,3 billion, it’s necessary to cover the border for commerce with Ukraine. Which, in general, is being done.
  13. pahom54
    +8
    16 September 2014 09: 39
    here what amazes me is:

    "Further, the Ukrainian prime minister expressed confidence that the European partners will fulfill their obligations: after all, Ukraine has made an advance payment" ...

    So, there was a loot for reverse gas, but Russia has no money to pay, let alone repay debts?
    Well, the fact that you need to track reverse deliveries and reduce the volume of Russian deliveries is understandable. Let Gazprom's lawyers handle all this properly.

    However, I am 100% sure that Ukraine is ALREADY 3,14 Builds Russian gas, and will further increase this theft ... Thus, putting Russia in the position of an unscrupulous supplier - after all, the stump is clear that Ukraine will yell, that it does not steal anything , "Gazprom" will declare that all deliveries are carried out in accordance with the contracts, BUT Russia will remain extreme anyway ...
    Here you have to do something about it ...

    It is already ridiculous that Yaytsenyukh complained about Russia to the European Commission ...
    You would have turned to the pope ...
    1. +1
      16 September 2014 15: 28
      Yes, and Miller has already explained this, under the terms of the same notorious contract, the released gas is recorded on our side according to our meter, further not our problems.
  14. +2
    16 September 2014 09: 41
    That we made a famine, that we threaten to freeze ... All of us, yes we, but what are they themselves?
    I can’t without a tit - so why bite?
  15. +1
    16 September 2014 09: 41
    Competent policy of Gazprom. Let them have what they want. We are warm! laughing
  16. +2
    16 September 2014 09: 42
    Khokhlam will have to freeze no matter how you say it, you must be punished for bad behavior, and it should do good. and the old European woman would rather think of herself than of the destroyed Hohland.
  17. +1
    16 September 2014 09: 43
    And what is interesting to me is that somehow this moment is not voiced among the broad masses: well, the Ruin will overwinter with what it has, will save, warm up with fart steam, be supplied with reverse gas, etc. But this is all until spring - the accumulated reserves will make it possible to survive this winter, and next year there will be NOTHING left! And sho roby budemo? Where to get gas for future life and the next winter? Own production and the entire reverse will not be enough to re-fill the UGS facility to the required level and survive another winter. The Perpetuum Mobile in the Ruin has not yet been invented, so nothing will come of it. In any case, it will be necessary to negotiate with Russia, and for this you have to pay. And, perhaps, Gazprom will still need to be persuaded to take the money as an advance payment, since there is no trust in such a wonderful client.
    1. 0
      16 September 2014 18: 12
      Quote: inkass_98
      But this is all until spring - the accumulated reserves will allow us to survive this winter, and next year there will be NOTHING left!

      The main gas consumer is industry (metallurgy in particular). Minus metallurgy, voila hi

      Off topic, counting "Makarevichs"

      Famous forecaster Pavel Globa in an interview with the international news agency Klyros.org told about the momentous moments of the near future of Russia, Ukraine and the whole world


      According to Globa, there will be no third world war, but dark times await Russia and Ukraine if the Kremlin does not stop and Ukraine does not make concessions. Global natural disasters in Russia, China, the USA and Australia will become the most destructive in the entire "new history of the world." “Millions will perish, but the Earth will be cleansed and united,” the astrologer said.

      As for Ukraine and Russia, these countries will again become fraternal at the beginning of 2016, but until then both presidents will be replaced. "Putin will be executed following the example of Gaddafi for war crimes. There will be evidence of the FSB and Putin's involvement in the bombings of houses, as well as the outbreak of war in Ukraine. Petro Poroshenko will leave himself because of the anger of his own people," Klyros.org quotes Pavel Globa as saying. He also believes that "Crimea will become independent for a while, and then it will become autonomous within Turkey."
  18. +1
    16 September 2014 09: 45
    I recall a fairy tale about a wolf .... Freeze, freeze the wolf tail !!! And we will tear off the tail and lower the skin))) You will have to definitely pay ...
  19. Evgen4ik
    +6
    16 September 2014 09: 46
    I’m personally ready to tighten the belt, if only the Ukrainians and the EU have repeated the material they have studied more than once, that trying to bend Russia is too small!
  20. 0
    16 September 2014 09: 52
    "Ukraine can start sucking a paw"
    By the way, not the most indecent part of the body, a change in physiological priorities is also possible ...
  21. +1
    16 September 2014 10: 00
    In Ukraine, urban residents will now envy the villagers.
  22. +1
    16 September 2014 10: 04
    They stole and will steal, only now in Europe, i.e. K. at the exit of the pipe from Russia there are sealed European counters. So let the geyropa pay the price! The sowing storm will reap ...... !!!
  23. 0
    16 September 2014 10: 06
    But there was no need to hinder South Stream. Would finish building and everything would be fine. Thank the Bulgarians for their tough and uncompromising position under the leadership of the Tan. hi
  24. 0
    16 September 2014 10: 09
    Kaklam still would not sell TVLs, so that their nuclear plants would stand up. Let dung be drowned and shine with sebaceous candles. We wanted in the Middle Ages, so get to the full, children’s songs !!!
  25. 0
    16 September 2014 10: 19
    Santa Claus is coming ... to put things in order ..
    Snowflakes are circling outside the window
    Smell in a vase of tangerines
    In the center, the Christmas tree is beautiful!
    All sparkles of fire!
    Lacking just below her
    Give you gifts from me.
    I went to you for a long time, I tried
    I made my way through the forest
    And the heavy bag carried
    Who am I, children?
    Santa Claus....
  26. +32
    16 September 2014 10: 19

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/443/lvlg849.jpg
    1. +1
      16 September 2014 15: 31
      this is really strong !!
    2. Rblipetsk
      0
      17 September 2014 19: 12
      class! in the quote box ...
  27. 0
    16 September 2014 10: 22
    It is necessary to freeze a little Kiev, he sober cold
    1. 0
      16 September 2014 16: 19
      That's just Kiev and will not freeze, the rulers there certainly hit their heads, but I don’t think so.
      And everyone around Kiev will freeze, those who fought in the ATO and did not die, their parents, relatives and acquaintances.
      Correspondents will not be there then, and what, the war is over, peace in the "country".
  28. +3
    16 September 2014 10: 26
    Yaytsenyukh's insolence is striking: "Russia wants to freeze Ukraine." So take as much as you need! But pay first. As in the store. Or let the European friends pay. In the meantime, Gazprom should be given gas to Europe at a minimum so that there is no desire to resell. The main thing now is patience.
  29. 0
    16 September 2014 10: 39
    “Russia has used and is using gas as a type of weapon. The idea of ​​the Russian Gazprom is clear: to stop the reverse flow. They want to freeze us in the winter. " In my opinion, this is quite normal, if you take the same sworn "friends" of the United States, then they would generally drown in blood all those who disagree with their policies. So, this is also friendly.
  30. 0
    16 September 2014 10: 49
    worried about the DNI and LC as our will be able to legally drive gas ???
  31. 3vs
    0
    16 September 2014 11: 02
    You have to pay for gas, it costs money!
    1. 0
      16 September 2014 15: 32
      the captain evidence is actually also a shareholder of Gazprom
  32. 0
    16 September 2014 11: 03
    With a gas contract - not a step back! Enough to feed the parasites, who first eat soup with you, and then, and when you get distracted, they spit on it. In this matter, you can’t bend in any way
  33. 0
    16 September 2014 11: 05
    Ukraine is obliged to repay the accumulated debt for gas to the Russian Federation, and then let it carry out reverse deliveries, jump, accuse the Russian Federation, etc.
  34. +2
    16 September 2014 11: 08
    And since when did Poland and Hungary produce gas? Maybe they still sell Gazprom? And how is it technically possible? The pipe is really one, but all the same nonsense into the flow in one pipe in two directions ....
    As they stole and will steal, just wait until Europe really misses, i.e. in the winter. This is where the cries begin ...
  35. 0
    16 September 2014 11: 10
    Give birth to Ukrainian, Russian woman and Negro. Husbands are sitting waiting. A nurse comes out, takes out three babies and says: “You know, you accidentally mixed up the children and don’t know where whose.” Ukrainian grabs a black woman and run away. They shout to him: - So it’s clear that it’s not yours. - Do not care. The main thing is not b.
  36. +6
    16 September 2014 12: 12
    strange articles. from the category "Ukraine will freeze to love - but we will remain Datanyans!"
    None of the analysts ... blah blah blah .. and all in the spirit of hats.
    There is little sense just to amuse pride. Let us provide articles explaining what kind of trump cards one or the other side has. Ash tree stump Ukraine would not have pursued such a policy if it had not had someone behind it. And the EU did not listen to Ukraine because of this "someone" ...
    Need clear thinking "who with what cards"
    So far in Ukraine, the largest consumers of Russian gas have been defeated. Your own will be enough for social programs. Plus reverse. EU to agree under pressure from sponsors. Only now the "cries of Ukraine" will be the grounds for new and new actions ...
    Naftogaz stubbornly does not take an advance payment. Transit in question. Someone says that next year the storehouses are empty and that the mustache is gone .. Well, from next year, transit conditions will be called into question. Wait, the contract is over .. no prepayment taken. Naftogaz will be able to reconsider a lot of things. And the duty to drink is almost not asking.
    Company policy - we pay the West out of their loans and are clean. RF debt is freezing and also clean. But at the same time, you can twist it in transit .. Without contracts, then ...
    US ears stick out .. and politics itself will be from there. Ukraine itself would not go - it would be immediately pulled. And now it is possible and even necessary !. So the gas battle is just beginning. And such articles are only to reassure the Russians. They say they will freeze and everything will be good, they will crawl themselves. Here the war is on, you can die at any time. Cold is far less dangerous than death. On the contrary, it consolidates.
    You know how trade and gas wars consolidate Ukrainians in dislike of the Russian Federation .. very good.
    The main thing here is to present your position favorably. However, the Russian and Ukrainian media tried very hard for all these "wars". The Internet is full of curses about how the average Ukrainian "stole" "his" gas and "his" pipes from the average Russian.
    1. +2
      16 September 2014 15: 34
      I think with such voluminous comments, it already makes sense to write the articles you require
  37. 0
    16 September 2014 12: 59
    Quote: vorobey
    yes not paw she will suck ...

    Oleg hello ...


    Yes, next to the Poles, they will queue for Obama
  38. 0
    16 September 2014 13: 16
    Ours will find how, the main thing is that they have a separate branch from the rest of the dill.
    Quote: Delorian
    worried about the DNI and LC as our will be able to legally drive gas ???
  39. +1
    16 September 2014 13: 33
    It is necessary to calm down the fascist fraternal people. Putin will not let them freeze, the gas will be even free. They just think how to present these things to the inhabitants of Russia. And they will write off the shortfall by another increase in tariffs.
  40. 0
    16 September 2014 13: 38
    * We note in conclusion that today Ukraine pays for "reverse" gas from $ 370 to $ 400 per 1000 cubic meters (the most expensive option is Hungarian). Analysts believe that in winter spot gas prices will rise * ..... It's not for you to dilute gasoline with donkey urine
  41. +3
    16 September 2014 13: 44
    "Four states said that Russia has cut their gas supplies."
  42. +2
    16 September 2014 14: 02
    La la la la la la la ....
    In the queue of bitches, the queue ....
  43. +1
    16 September 2014 14: 04
    Colds will come, they will send another prostitute to Moscow, beg for gas. One already arrived, begging. But time spares no one, and Tymoshenko has spoken disgusting things for two life terms. Need a new one laughing
  44. postoronim V
    +1
    16 September 2014 14: 07
    “Otherwise, the European Commissioner will have to ask for political asylum in the vicinity of Maidan Nezalezhnosti,” but it will be cold there. wink
  45. vvdmitriyvv
    +2
    16 September 2014 14: 17
    turn off their gas in 3.14zdu! Their tanks in Ukraine travel with crosses ... HU * them and not gas! let the US get them shale! They also want to collapse oil ... And they should not sell oil! Let them ride an American ... And we will live without their lousy bucks! they impose sanctions ... let Santa declare their sanctions!
  46. +5
    16 September 2014 14: 37
    Dill apparently did not learn that you have to pay for everything and answer for everything. And for words and deeds.
    1. 0
      16 September 2014 17: 00
      They were just promised a lot of Americans and geyropa. And here is a jamb. NEWS!
  47. ISKANDER25
    0
    16 September 2014 14: 48
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: ankir13
    ! There's a pipe. That thick one, like her darling ...

    Have a talented teacher wink

    Okay so! With a deepthroat! Looks good at Geyrop taught!
    1. 0
      16 September 2014 15: 36
      And Lyashko scored a third of the votes !! taught directly in the elections)) !!
  48. +1
    16 September 2014 15: 51
    Poland for its abominable behavior in general to impose sanctions and completely not to supply gas.
  49. Kostya pedestrian
    -4
    16 September 2014 16: 20
    Hey, Daragoy zachem is a warrior? Why is it so bad for our regiment to grumble. Better watch the cartoon Volga and Sultanova's Wife. Starring Parashenko. If you turn the characters around, and remember the cartoon "The Simpsons", where Simpson and his family were thrown into the car with a "toy" that they almost drowned, and then they were picked up by locals who had a bear "menagerie", then you can figure out and, more than three.

    It would be better if our culture was glorified in the World, maybe they managed to come up with such a painted carpet, like the "first" Belarusian cosmonaut Yazep Drazdovich did.

    And then at Honda - there is a time machine, and you, the same is news to me, the Wall of China. Which is already up to you, the Kiaites built to defend themselves from the Yeke Mongol Ulus. By the way, the 13th century has very interesting graphics for this article on the Wiki.

    PieS: Russian weapons and without you will be able to glorify yourself. Have you heard about the systems for removing rockets from mines in automatic mode?

    Jal darago, what are you so hearted ?!

    Only zoyde ў hut gosts,
    Budze ўzyata charka
    There are harmonics, there is a tambourine,
    Chym not a gaspark.
    And the hell of a furnace and xianya,
    Kolkim may spirit,
    We will drop like a wound
    Polechka a batter.

    Etc:

    Polka nibble shrimp,
    Not a stranger, ours!
    Abdymuha paskakuha,
    Lepshaye is not mashaka.
    Small pants
    I spadnitsa high school,
    Memory Poland and Russia
    Belarusian polka,
    Mіzh Lithuania and Ukraine,
    Belarusian polka!
  50. +1
    16 September 2014 16: 51
    In my opinion, you need to stop supplying gas to the ruin altogether, they still don’t pay, at the very least let them buy at the market price, $ 485 per 1000 cubic meters, in general it’s some kind of nonsense, they kill the Russians, and we sell gas to them! Almost die Bandera from the cold, we are not the Salvation Army.
    1. Perseus
      +1
      16 September 2014 17: 32
      Moreover, we make a discount on the value of the export duty - i.e. that money that goes to the state. Profits of shareholders touch NOW!
  51. Simonov
    +2
    16 September 2014 18: 09
    Somehow I didn’t keep track - did Urkaina ratify the decree banning the transit of Russian goods or not?
    What kind of gas transit is it then?
    and reverse deliveries are 1 - dumping trade, because gas at our same price or even lower.
    2 - Gazprom is no longer a monopolist in Europe, because... there are now 8 or 9 gas sellers on the market

    It was not in vain that the Urkanoids in the Donetsk region fought with the “Russian regular troops”. We will still be billed through the European court for the Donbass bombed by “Russian” cities. Mark my words!!!

    I think we need to give them a sanction in response to ban the transit of Ukrainian goods through Russian territory. They will have to transport goods to China around Africa and India. And OUR Kerch Strait will be closed to the ports of Mariupol and Berdyansk. There will be no cargo ports, but a continuous resort area with umbrellas and air mattresses. Babble! The people of Kiev also need somewhere to relax! And Crimea is now not kosher for the Great Ukrainian!
    1. 0
      17 September 2014 11: 23
      Quote: Simonov
      transit of Ukrainian goods through Russian territory. They will have to transport goods to China around Africa and India

      Almost all exports to China are shipped to the Odessa cluster. As are Egyptian and other destinations.
      Nikolaev Kherson Izmail also help.
      Quote: Simonov
      AND OUR Kerch Strait will be closed to the ports of Mariupol and Berdyansk

      won't close. The status of the Kerch Strait cannot be revised as it is the subject of an old treaty. It has not been terminated. It is possible unilaterally. But this is a threat to navigation. In general, it is a brutal reason for cruel sanctions and arrests. The Russian Federation will leave the strait as it is for now.
      However, Mariupol and Berdyansk are metallurgy. Flows redirected to Odessa will slightly increase the price of products. But if the Russian Federation creates economic conditions equivalent to the costs of delivery to Odessa and Yuzhny (or Kherson), then flows will be redirected there.
      At least it’s not for nothing that all the terminals here are being enlarged..
      As for tourists, they are not rich in the Odessa region. And who is richer in Egypt, Turkey... and others as usual.
  52. news
    0
    16 September 2014 18: 34
    I would completely turn off gas to Ukraine
    1. 0
      17 September 2014 11: 26
      Quote: news
      I would completely turn off gas to Ukraine

      So they switched to prepayment.
      You can only disable it with all transit.
      I have an idea that Ukraine will turn off the gas, so they won’t take money for transit for next year.
      Imagine what they will do to Gazprom if there is no transit agreement and Ukraine closes it.
  53. 0
    16 September 2014 18: 41
    And I really wanted to make fools out of Russia and Gazprom, playing with Russian gas winked Not fused ...
  54. 0
    16 September 2014 19: 29
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    This looks like a nerd from 5th B

    you are wrong from 7 B fool
  55. 0
    16 September 2014 20: 19
    In a country of war, a country on fire,
    Pig sits in power.
    But we don't care that we're in shit
    We have a job to do, we'll fucking... JUMP...

    The Pascuda war dragged on
    And the economy has bent.
    Everywhere sheer setbacks
    And fuck... we'll RIDE again...

    A mess in the country, a mess in the brain
    The devastation in our heads
    But we still don't cry
    The Maidan lives, we don't care... oh, LET'S RIDE...

    We will heal in spite of enemies
    Donbass and Lugansk are expendable.
    Well, for now, give it to us!
    Work?
    Once!
    We're galloping



    ss
    Not mine
    but I couldn’t resist - I posted it
  56. 0
    16 September 2014 22: 10
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/205/dihq131.jpeg
  57. 0
    17 September 2014 10: 58

    In addition, the selection of gas in Europe will increase, and Ukraine may begin to suck paw.
    They will not suck a paw, but something else...
  58. 0
    17 September 2014 14: 41
    This article is difficult to comment on.
    1. It begins with the author admitting his complete misunderstanding of the basis of the article:

    Meanwhile, the Polish gas transportation company stopped reversing gas to Ukraine, which Yatsenyuk did not like very much. He told the European Commission that by cutting supplies, Russia decided to freeze Ukraine in the winter. After the Kiev resident’s speech, the Poles immediately resumed gas supplies to the Ukrainian side. It seems that Yatsenyuk is becoming an increasingly influential politician in Europe.

    There is no “gas supply back”; “reverse supplies” are a purely virtual “business idea”; in fact, Ukraine takes gas from our pipeline with subsequent payment for the selected gas to the end consumer. Putin already spoke about this when he said at a conference that “reverse deliveries” are a fraudulent scheme.
    2. The author absolutely does not understand what contract and requested volumes are. It is the requested volumes that are not being closed because the smart-ass ki from the EU are specifically requesting “extra” volumes for subsequent “reverse supplies” (read: withdrawal by Ukraine) of gas. All contractual obligations are covered in full and everything is legally fair.
  59. 0
    17 September 2014 23: 10
    I never thought that there was such an indescribable mess with gas and pipes... Rabbit dictates prices for our gas, manages the reverse flow across Europe, and Miller can only compensate for losses for Ukraine’s debts by increasing prices for Russian consumers.