Carl Gustav conquers America

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The command of the Special Operations Forces (Special Operations Command, SOCOM) recently additionally ordered several thousand projectiles for the Karl Gustav 84-mm portable recoilless gun, which they have been using for more than two decades. In light of the continued success of SOCOM's use of the Karl Gustav gun in 2012, the US Army put it into service with its infantry. Karl Gustav was commissioned by the US Special Operations Forces Command for the Ranger Regiment in 1990. As a unit of the army, the ranger regiment is controlled by the US Special Operations Forces Command. Regular army units demanded to receive "Carl Gustav" ever since their rangers got it. Infantry like it weapon mainly due to its better accuracy with a greater range than, for example, a competing weapon (such as a Russian RPG), and also because non-command rangers did not initially come from US infantry command units and share information with their colleagues about how comfortable "Karl Gustav".



"Karl Gustav" is the first reusable grenade launcher of the US Army since the use of the Bazuka 1960-mm grenade launcher was discontinued in the 88s. "Karl Gustav" is a lightweight 8,5-kilogram recoilless gun with a length of 1,1 meters. The rifled barrel is able to withstand about a hundred shots.



The U.S. Army also got rid of its recoilless guns in the 1970s, replacing them with anti-tank guided missiles. The uniqueness of “Karl Gustav” lies in the fact that it provides a large firing range recoilless guns (which use rifled barrels), but it also has a shortened barrel and is much more portable. The most popular American recoilless gun was the 52 kg 75 mm M20. Thanks to the long barrel (2,1 meters), the M20 provided a firing range of 6400 meters. It was well suited to combat tanksbut army officials never appreciated the fact that recoilless guns were most often used against infantry in bunkers or buildings. “Carl Gustav” included all these advantages and became very popular among infantrymen due to its portability, long range, accuracy and accessibility.



84 millimeter cartridge-loading shots weigh about 2 kilograms and are of several different types (armor-piercing, high-explosive, cumulative-fragmentation, lighting and smoke). An armor-piercing shot is very useful in combat operations in urban areas, as well as against bunkers. The firing range is up to 500-700 meters (depending on the type of shells), but an experienced shooter can hit a large target at a distance of up to 1000 meters.



The US Army had previously adopted the one-off version of the Karl Gustav grenade launcher (AT4), but the special forces had chosen the recoilless Karl Gustav gun. It turned out better because it gives you the opportunity to get more shots with less weight (AT4 weighs about 6,8 kg). It turned out to be easier to carry one "Karl Gustav" weighing 8,5 kilograms and a bunch of missiles 2,2 kilograms each, than the same number of disposable grenade launchers.



New users of "Karl Gustav" should be the most cautious with a more intense volley flame than that of the AT4 grenade launcher. Army Rangers also found that the best way to use "Karl Gustav" - a team of two fighters. One man controls "Carl Gustav" (and is armed only with an 9-mm pistol as a personal weapon). The other fighter carries five to six 84-mm shots and acts as an observer for the shooter "Carl Gustav". Depending on the situation, the squad may carry "Karl Gustav" instead of the M240 light machine gun. If a collision with an enemy is expected at a certain distance (more than 500 meters), then it is better to use "Karl Gustav".

"Karl Gustav" was very useful in Afghanistan, but like in any open area. It must always be remembered that the 84-mm shot is not armed in the firing position at a distance of up to 100 meters. The shells of "Carl Gustav" cost from $ 500 to $ 3000 each, depending on their type and complexity. The launcher (with rifled barrel and scope) costs about $ 20000 for each.

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    1. Turik
      +12
      15 September 2014 09: 08
      What does the self-propelled gun have to do with it?

      Well, about the price correctly noticed. It is completely incomprehensible how a metal pipe, even with optics, can cost 20 kilobaks.
      1. +18
        15 September 2014 09: 18
        Quote: Turik
        It is completely incomprehensible how a metal pipe, even with optics, can cost 20 kilobaks.

        A pipe costs as much as you are willing to pay for it. These are the laws of the market.
        1. +6
          15 September 2014 14: 26
          Ahaha, the laws of the market, well done, optimistic professor. The laws of the market in the field of military industrial complex in the usa, yeah. Yes, not only in the USA, all over the world ...
        2. 0
          22 September 2014 19: 37
          Why don’t we have such a thing?
          1. Amba1960
            0
            22 September 2014 21: 53
            LNG-9 and a long time ago.
      2. xren
        +9
        15 September 2014 21: 05
        In fact, the pipe is not metal, but glass-plastic. Metal is just an insert. Moreover, it is rifled, and this is high-quality steel and processing ...
        + Swedish production.
  2. -4
    15 September 2014 09: 03
    our answer as I understand the Cornet complex
    1. +17
      15 September 2014 09: 10
      Our answer is the RPG-32, a reusable multi-caliber grenade launcher. And this is not an answer, but a completely independent development, which is still slowed down with production. The disadvantage is the large weight of the 105 mm grenade, but this is a payment for armor penetration and range.
      1. +14
        15 September 2014 09: 27
        Quote: bmv04636
        our answer as I understand the Cornet complex

        Quote: inkass_98
        Our answer is RPG-32, a reusable multi-caliber grenade launcher.

        Our answer is RPG-7. More precisely, this is their answer to our RPG-7.
        1. +2
          15 September 2014 10: 16
          generally Karl Gustov appeared much earlier than RPG7
          1. +4
            15 September 2014 12: 59
            Quote: Tlauicol
            generally Karl Gustov appeared much earlier than RPG7

            The RPG-7 was adopted in 1963, the KG in 2010 ... who is the answer to whom?
            The first versions of the CG relate to existing ones because-since. Only the name remains the same, but in fact this is the third revision of the concept of mobile non-recoil.
            1. +6
              15 September 2014 13: 35
              KG is 48 years old. RPG 7 15 years later
            2. +2
              17 September 2014 01: 54
              Quote from Wikipedia: ;-)

              Three grenade launcher models are known:
              Carl Gustaf M1 - the basic model of 1948, which had a mass in the fighting position of 16,35 kg;
              Carl Gustaf M2 - a more advanced model developed in 1964, its weight was reduced to 14 kg. Has a 2x optical sight;
              Carl Gustaf M3 (Carl Gustaf m / 86) is the third grenade launcher model developed in 1991. The steel barrel was replaced with a thin-walled liner (steel rifled liner) in a fiberglass casing, which allowed to reduce the weight of the weapon to 10 kg. It has a carrying handle (like an M-16 rifle), a 3x optical sight.

              That is, the model in question is M3, from 1991, with a liner. The differences are significant. It's like comparing AK47 (the experimental one, not AK or, even more so AKM) with AK107 and say: "What are you doing! There is no difference!" Or compare, say, B-52 1955 and 2006. Outwardly - it looks like, but the filling is something different, technology is significantly different.
              By the way, in this aspect (of deep modifications), it was the RPG-7 that has not had any fundamental changes since it was adopted, only sights and grenades changed. The pipe - it is the pipe. Perfection in primitiveness. Neither reduce nor add. Ingenious!
              Speaking of the case, "Karl Gustav" was clearly an imitation of "Bazooka", and RPG - "Faustpatron". In both cases, the answers are very good.
              1. 0
                17 September 2014 05: 30
                Does this mean that KG-3 is the answer of RPG-7? Of course not ! KG appeared in 48, and the 2nd and 3rd models are a continuation of the first, and not the race for RPG-7
              2. 0
                18 September 2014 12: 59
                Quote: Aqela
                Speaking on the case, "Karl Gustav" was clearly an imitation of "Bazooka", and RPG - "Faustpatron"

                Faustpatron, unlike RPG-7, was not recharged.
      2. 0
        15 September 2014 11: 30
        Quote: inkass_98
        The disadvantage is the large weight of the 105-mm grenade, but this is a payment for armor penetration and range.

        It’s multi-caliber. That is, the shells can be different. And you still need to have with them if not all, then those that are necessary for the upcoming battle. But the significant difference in the weight of the weapon itself probably takes place to be.
        And RPG-32 is still probably the answer to Javelin more ...
        1. +5
          15 September 2014 14: 01
          Quote: Manul
          Quote: inkass_98
          The disadvantage is the large weight of the 105-mm grenade, but this is a payment for armor penetration and range.

          It’s multi-caliber. That is, the shells can be different. And you still need to have with them if not all, then those that are necessary for the upcoming battle. But the significant difference in the weight of the weapon itself probably takes place to be.
          And RPG-32 is still probably the answer to Javelin more ...


          Do not confuse horseradish with radish Javelin in its performance characteristics equal to the first spikes of Israel they have the principle of one guidance on ik.

          RPG-32 is a further hybrid of RPG-7 and disposable RPG-26 grenades

          Gustav Radnya SPG-9 and in general in the Gustavo scheme and principle like dynamo jet guns
          1. 0
            17 September 2014 01: 57
            What are we talking about!
            But the American Wright brothers first flew on a plane!
            ;-)
            How do other scholars want to compare the ass with the finger ...
  3. +1
    15 September 2014 09: 04
    So the frugal Swedes wiped their noses. All the same, disposable grenade launchers turned out to be more expensive by one shot. And less accurate over long distances. But our RPG 7 is still in service, and the latest modifications of grenades are also quite wow. Although without a rifled barrel.
    1. +16
      15 September 2014 09: 16
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      But our RPG 7 is still in service, and the latest modifications of grenades are also quite wow. Although without a rifled barrel.

      RPG-7 has long been asking for modernization, somewhat overweight. Using new materials, the mass can be reduced significantly. As the Americans did in the Airtronic Mk777 in which, while maintaining all combat characteristics, the mass is reduced to 3,5 kg!
      1. +11
        15 September 2014 09: 26
        Interesting upgrade
        1. +4
          15 September 2014 14: 32
          Professor, I did not see in the publication the characteristics of the armor penetration of the cumulative grenades "KG", maybe I missed what? As you know, rotating KS shells have the worst data in terms of armor penetration.
          1. +3
            15 September 2014 14: 51
            Quote: Bongo
            Professor, I did not see in the publication the characteristics of the armor penetration of the cumulative grenades "KG", maybe I missed what? As you know, rotating KS shells have the worst data in terms of armor penetration.

            No, we didn't. There is not a word about this in the article. In general, the bourgeois do not like to mention this term "armor penetration".
            EMNIP then in RPG projectile rotates.
            1. +2
              15 September 2014 15: 00
              Interesting video, thanks! If I understand correctly, are these tests of an active protection system for armored vehicles?

              Quote: professor
              No, we didn't. There is not a word about this in the article. In general, the bourgeois do not like to mention this term "armor penetration".

              And yet, how many MM of homogeneous armor does the "KG" grenade take?

              Quote: professor
              EMNIP then in RPG projectile rotates

              But obviously not at the speed that a grenade fired from a rifled barrel. And the higher the speed of rotation of the COP, the lower the armor penetration.
              1. +1
                15 September 2014 15: 26
                Interesting video, thanks! If I understand correctly, are these tests of an active protection system for armored vehicles?

                And there is. This is Trophy.

                And yet, how many MM of homogeneous armor does the "KG" grenade take?

                I already laid out this link today. They write 500 mm for dynamic protection.
                The 84 mm HEAT 751 (High Explosive Anti-Tank) is equipped with a tandem warhead that produces a penetrating force exceeding 500 mm after the Explosive Reactive Armor (ERA) protection.
                This is more than enough to defeat the side armor of any existing tank, even when equipped with add-on ERA.

                THE 84 mm carl-gustaf Multi-purpose Weapon System

                But obviously not at the speed that a grenade fired from a rifled barrel. And the higher the speed of rotation of the COP, the lower the armor penetration.

                I’m not at all sure that the axial rotation of ammunition affects its armor penetration. The speed of propagation of the CS is several km / s, and whether the ammunition was rotated monopaesally in this case, since its rotation frequency is insignificant.
                1. +3
                  16 September 2014 05: 29
                  Quote: professor
                  I’m not at all sure that the axial rotation of ammunition affects its armor penetration.

                  It also has a very significant effect, the Germans were the first to face this effect after the 75-mm COP was adopted. The armor penetration of a rotating projectile was much less than a non-rotating cumulative charge of the same caliber. Due to the centrifugal force of rotation, the cumulative jet is "sprinkled".

                  Quote: professor
                  The speed of propagation of the CS is several km / s, and whether the ammunition was rotated monopaesally in this case, since its rotation frequency is insignificant.


                  Not so insignificant if the projectile after a shot from a rifled barrel stabilizes on the trajectory by rotation.
      2. +3
        15 September 2014 11: 26
        RPG-7 is morally outdated and for firing such grenades as PG-7VR, TBG-7V, the range is obtained if I remember correctly that something is around 200 meters and this is not enough by modern standards. RPG-32 is a rising star among Russian-made hand grenade launchers.
        1. +1
          17 September 2014 02: 08
          The RPG-7, I think, has the main advantages: reliability, lightness, simplicity, low cost. If we take into account the latest "supergrenades", then the dimensions and weight there are comparable to the grenade launcher itself ...
          So, I think, it is not necessary to compare a rifle with a pistol, although both are firearms firing using unitary cartridges ...
          => I agree with you: the RPG-7 now has its own niche, the RPG-29 and RPG-32 have their own. By the way, the latter should be compared with "Karl Gustav". They are very similar in their features to the Swedish design.
        2. GRANATE-19
          0
          20 September 2014 11: 48
          Quote: Dinko
          RPG-7 is morally outdated and for firing such grenades as PG-7VR, TBG-7V, the range is obtained if I remember correctly that something is around 200 meters and this is not enough by modern standards. RPG-32 is a rising star among Russian-made hand grenade launchers.

          Tell about this to the militias and the burned-out armored vehicles of the ukrovermaht and the mothers of those tankers and crews of the armored vehicles ...
          You would take part in urban battles and sit in an ambush, as far as I remember, then clashes take place at a distance of up to 50 METERS of approach and old grenades, even if they are cumulative, they are used well in urban battles against infantry ..., let alone infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers ignite, then it's just that, and not use the latest, powerful, tandem shots against plywood boxes (armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles - plywood if used for other purposes, and especially if not thoughtfully and thoughtlessly used as "assault armored vehicles" in urban conditions)
          Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
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  4. +3
    15 September 2014 09: 05
    Interesting gun. And what is also important - conquered.
  5. +2
    15 September 2014 09: 06
    and RPG7 can be exchanged for a ram in Afghanistan
  6. 0
    15 September 2014 09: 08
    Carl Gustav shells cost from $ 500 to $ 3000 each, depending on their type and difficulty. The launcher (with rifled barrel and scope) costs about $ 20000 each.

    Yes. I also think that RPG-7 will be better here.
    1. avt
      +3
      15 September 2014 09: 17
      Quote: Yves762
      Yes. I also think that RPG-7 will be better here.

      Simpler and no less effective in skilled hands. Not, of course, the Swedes made an interesting example, but they too were too smart. Somehow, our approach to mass weapons is more logical - it seems to be there and fulfills its functions, but it seems that in mass production due to its cheapness it does not exist. laughing
      Quote: inkass_98
      Our answer is RPG-32, a reusable multi-caliber grenade launcher

      That’s exactly without any rifled barrels and without a barrel with an aiming 9mm cartridge, in addition, from RPG-7 it is possible to flip up a helicopter up, but you can’t throw such a pretzel up from this. laughing
      1. -1
        15 September 2014 09: 21
        Quote: avt
        without barrel with an aiming 9mm cartridge

        What are you talking about? request

        PS
        About ten years ago I came across an article by one author with a Tatar surname on the history of the creation of RPG-7. About how many research institutes and how many people worked on its creation. If we take these costs into account, then it is not so cheap.
        1. +4
          15 September 2014 09: 27
          Mk. 153 SMAW

          He is with a sighting 9 mm rifle
          1. +1
            15 September 2014 09: 30
            Quote: Spade
            He is with a sighting 9 mm rifle

            Where did you see him?
            1. +4
              15 September 2014 09: 38
              Quote: professor
              Where did you see him?

              On SMAW? To the right of the pipe.
              1. -2
                15 September 2014 09: 48
                Quote: Spade
                On SMAW? To the right of the pipe.

                Where is it?
                Point the arrow. SAAB is silent about it like a fish on ice. laughing

                http://www.saabgroup.com/Global/Documents%20and%20Images/Land/Weapon%20Systems/C





                arl-Gustav / Carl-Gustaf_brochure.pdf




                http://sverigesradio.se/sida/images/159/492588_310_211.jpg?preset=article-auto-h


                eight






                PS
                And here is SMAW? request
                1. +9
                  15 September 2014 10: 01
                  Quote: professor
                  Where is it?
                  Point the arrow. SAAB is silent about it like a fish on ice. laughing




                  The fighter before the main shot twice shoots from a nonexistent sighting gun with a nonexistent cartridge 9x51mm Mark 217 Mod 0
                  1. -2
                    15 September 2014 10: 20
                    Quote: Spade
                    The fighter before the main shot twice shoots from a nonexistent sighting gun with a nonexistent cartridge 9x51mm Mark 217 Mod 0

                    Excuse me, what does this have to do with Carl Gustav?
                    1. +6
                      15 September 2014 10: 27
                      Nothing. I immediately wrote that this is another grenade launcher

                      Quote: Spade
                      Mk. 153 SMAW
                      1. 0
                        15 September 2014 10: 44
                        Quote: Spade
                        Nothing. I immediately wrote that this is another grenade launcher

                        Well, Komrad, like, about shooting at Karlr wrote? Or I don’t understand anything at all ...
                      2. +4
                        15 September 2014 11: 08
                        He wrote that the West has no analogue of RPG-7. Or a rifled barrel has to be used, which limits the capabilities of ammunition and makes the complex heavier, or introduce a sighting gun, or firing from a TPK with a disposable barrel, as in Panzerfaust 3
                      3. Zeus
                        0
                        16 September 2014 05: 12
                        Quote: Spade
                        or shooting from a TPK with a disposable barrel, as on Panzerfaust 3



                        What kind of "shooting from TPK with a disposable barrel" like in Panzerfaust 3? :) Can you give it more details?
                      4. Zeus
                        0
                        16 September 2014 05: 13
                        And since when is the barrel on the Panzerfaust 3 disposable?
                      5. +1
                        16 September 2014 08: 36
                        Quote: Zeus
                        And since when is the barrel on the Panzerfaust 3 disposable?


                        Since 1978. For "Panzerfaust 3" only the fire control module is reusable
                  2. 0
                    17 September 2014 02: 17
                    Good, suitable answer! A nonexistent gun ... Respect!
        2. avt
          +9
          15 September 2014 10: 21
          Quote: professor
          About ten years ago I came across an article by one author with a Tatar surname on the history of the creation of RPG-7. About how many research institutes and how many people worked on its creation. If we take these costs into account, then it is not so cheap.

          Exactly! And if you also take into account how much was spent on training those who developed it well from school, and they still ate and drank in life, again, what no clothes are needed, housing and other little things. Well, in general, the production costs of RPG-7 in comparison with "Karla" are incommensurable! One word - a scoop, where is there to "an effective private owner of an enlightened Europa".
          1. -9
            15 September 2014 10: 43
            Quote: avt
            Well, in general, the cost of production of RPG-7 in comparison with "Karla" is incommensurable!

            Most likely it is, but I have no exact data. RPG-7 was developed by thousands of people at the expense of the state, and bourgeois made "Karl" for their own money.

            Quote: avt
            One word - scoop, where is there to "an effective private owner of an enlightened Europa".

            And here you are 100% right, the "efficiency" of the Soviet economy went down in history. This is one of the reasons why the scoop is covered with a copper basin. hi
            1. +4
              15 September 2014 10: 48
              Quote: professor
              and the bourgeois did "Karla" for their own money.

              Which over 66 years of production have long been recaptured.
              1. 0
                15 September 2014 10: 59
                Quote: Spade
                Which over 66 years of production have long been recaptured.

                This is the whole point. The bourgeoisie also included the cost of developing the product in the price, and the "most progressive society on the planet" financed the development from other sources.
                In general, the cost must be compared in man hours, not banknotes. How much does a Swedish engineer or worker get, and how much is Russian or Chinese?
                1. +7
                  15 September 2014 11: 14
                  And what of it? Development costs already 40 years ago were completely "recouped" from both. Well, the fact that the developers of "Carl Gustav" needed to refine their complex, well, who is to blame? Themselves 16-kg fool began to sell to people as a hand-held anti-tank agent.
                  1. +1
                    17 September 2014 02: 25
                    Tki yes. "Manual" car "Karl Gustav": gun weight 16,35 (exactly 1 pood) + 3,5 kg grenade = 200 kg without 20 g. "Fluffy". RPG-7: unit weight 6,3 kg + grenade weight 2,0-2,2 kg (initially, tandem or thermobaric superbakhals up to 4,5 mg) = 8,5 kg ... And which unit is more manual?
                    By the way, effective ranges are comparable ...
                    1. -1
                      17 September 2014 07: 40
                      Quote: Aqela
                      Tki yes. "Manual" car "Karl Gustav": gun weight 16,35 (exactly 1 pood) + grenade 3,5 kg = without 200 g 20 kg

                      That's right. Why read the article? request There and the weight of Karl Gustav is indicated ...
            2. +13
              15 September 2014 11: 13
              Quote: professor
              And here you are 100% right, the "efficiency" of the Soviet economy went down in history. This is one of the reasons why the scoop is covered with a copper basin.

              But now we have the long-awaited bourgeoisie and everyone is "happy", especially the economy) No matter how this becomes one of the reasons why our "campaign for democracy" will fail.
              The Soviet system brought only itself to a copper basin, and capitalism brings the whole world - what a gorgeous "efficiency")
              1. +1
                15 September 2014 13: 46
                Quote: huut
                But now we have the long-awaited bourgeoisie and everyone is "happy", especially the economy) No matter how this becomes one of the reasons why our "campaign for democracy" will fail.

                You do not have bourgeoisie-one breed. You compare with Germany.
            3. avt
              +10
              15 September 2014 13: 17
              Quote: professor
              And here you are 100% right, the "efficiency" of the Soviet economy went down in history. This is one of the reasons why the scoop is covered with a copper basin.

              They did it funny to me! Is it okay that a progressive and effective manager-oligarch "is still milking factories built by the ineffective Stalinist People's Commissar Lomako?" And where is his own "breakthrough" miracle of effective management, which he himself has conceived - a mobile, over which I never learned to put dots? No need for humpback fairy tales in the morning. I really wanted to become a "universal human elite". And we would have been running around in loincloths alone in winter, without damaging the Soviet economy, the remnants of which the LADIES with Dvorkovich are trying to doodder.
              1. -3
                15 September 2014 13: 50
                Quote: avt
                The USSR was destroyed only by the party members from the top of the CPSU, to whom the ideals preached by them became deeply phalos and really wanted to become a "universal human elite".

                Do not tell my slippers. I worked in the detachment and practice at the factory passed. I saw how effective the Soviet system is. I have been working in the West for many years, there is nothing to compare. Here the same mess to and in the USSR only at state-owned enterprises. But fortunately they are a minority here.

                PS
                What kind of sighting cartridge is there in Gustav? wink
                1. +1
                  15 September 2014 14: 47
                  Quote: professor
                  I have been working in the West for many years, there is nothing to compare. Here the same mess to and in the USSR only at state-owned enterprises. But fortunately they are a minority here.


                  In in. I work for a foreign company that emerged from the privatization of a state company. same dolo..izm as in our state offices :-)))
            4. Shvonder
              +6
              15 September 2014 14: 32
              Quote: professor
              And here you are 100% right, the "efficiency" of the Soviet economy went down in history. This is one of the reasons why the scoop is covered with a copper basin.

              Published in Novosibirsk in Chinese, the newspaper "O Zochen Wei", citing a high-ranking source in Zhmerinka, reported that a certain Herr ProHessor, who is also a former major of Mossad Pupkin, who is also a thief out of confidence on trust, authoritatively stated: collapsed from an "efficient" economy, and not as a result of the betrayal of famous personalities laughing
              1. -1
                15 September 2014 14: 42
                Quote: Shvonder
                what a certain herr pro hessor

                Young man, do not learn how to write a nickname correctly - add a black list of rude and Natsik.
                1. Shvonder
                  +7
                  15 September 2014 14: 57
                  Quote: professor
                  Young man, do not learn how to write a nickname correctly - add a black list of rude and Natsik.

                  professor, shaw again? for what? In Natsik for what? Itit-pound, this is so in Jewish. The people of the Torah and Gd can do anything.
                  1. 0
                    15 September 2014 14: 58
                    Quote: Shvonder
                    Professorshaw again? for what? In Natsik for what? Itit-pound, this is so in Jewish. The people of the Torah and Gd can do anything.

                    Clearly explained? wink
                  2. +7
                    15 September 2014 19: 27
                    Quote: professor
                    don't learn how to spell ной nickname - add a blacklist of rude and Natsik.

                    Wow! It's just some Horror! belay
                    I have never seen anything more inhuman in my life ... crying
                    How have I been alive since I got on this list Schindler fucker ... request

                    "- Monkeys (" professors ") - not my profile ... Give me a tiger or a lion, a leopard, in extreme cases, a crocodile."

                    "- Comrade barmaid (" professor "), take the trouble to take an upright position!"

                    "-Tamer! (Professor). Linden ..."


                    Hi Oleg! But with "Atalef" it will still be more interesting ... At least he snaps, but this one just whines ...
                    The sensual Jew has now gone ...
                    1. Shvonder
                      +3
                      15 September 2014 19: 51
                      Quote: Ptah
                      Hi Oleg! But with "Atalef" it will still be more interesting ... At least he snaps, but this one just whines ...
                      The sensual Jew has now gone ...

                      Hi Vadim! Yes, you are right, with "Karish" it is more interesting to "atalef", that toothy one, does not take offense and with a sense of humor laughing .
                      1. +3
                        15 September 2014 20: 02
                        How are they "Vatnik" all kibbutz ....
                        And "kufayka" and "vata" and "mahmud" ... But here the "professor", the guardian for the "correct spelling of nicknames" - no ...
                        But if only who is it, oh howls and lamentations rises immediately -
                        Probably, if you look at his notorious little list, you can conclude that VO is a bunch of fascists and half of them are rude. Close the time ...
                        But then the "professor" will lose his earnings from advertising the foreign military industry ... Or else they will be kicked out of the sandbox ...
                        You’ll take it here ... I would immediately enlist in the Iranian army ...
                      2. Shvonder
                        +4
                        15 September 2014 20: 28
                        Quote: Ptah
                        You howl here.
                      3. +3
                        15 September 2014 20: 41
                        It is more correct to say Hebrew-Your-Mother ...
                        Some lists, like sanctions ...
                        We lay down on everything, "professor". Clean out your filthy "Talmud" ... And come to us ... Rude and Nazi ...

                        This is under the new rules. Now it is entered in all our textbooks.
                        It delivers to the Jews foolishly ...
                      4. Shvonder
                        +2
                        15 September 2014 20: 47
                        Quote: Ptah
                        It is more correct to say Hebrew-Your-Mother ...

                        laughing good the Jews seem to already ride carts to the administrators, they will ban ....
                      5. +6
                        15 September 2014 21: 18
                        So why ban us? For suggesting that the "professor" be friends? Or are they against the friendship of the two peoples?
                        There is a hefty boorish "Egor" grimacing for a long time and still has only 3 warnings.
                        Even to the entoma "professor" the strict "Apollo" did not immediately prescribed an olive tree in the lobster, but only shot a little on the knees. For his vyskazyvanie, as many here notice, to let him hated, but still OUR Motherland - the USSR.
                        He is now transferring this malice to Russia. Especially when they say that the Russians did something that neither Israel nor Ameria did. Then he just comes in foam ...

                      6. Shvonder
                        +3
                        15 September 2014 21: 29
                        Golden words, worthy person!
                      7. -4
                        18 September 2014 21: 17
                        Quote: Shvonder
                        Quote: Ptah
                        It is more correct to say Hebrew-Your-Mother ...

                        laughing good the Jews seem to already ride carts to the administrators, they will ban ....

                        Do not be rude !! Some of the heroes got used to writing down the keyboard here.
                      8. Shvonder
                        +1
                        20 September 2014 00: 23
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Do not be rude !! Some of the heroes got used to writing down the keyboard here.

                        Have you been appointed a kibbutz senior? laughing
              2. +5
                15 September 2014 15: 35
                This is a miracle in feathers, in all seriousness, claims that the Union was a raw materials appendage of the West. And to my question, how can a raw materials appendage be a superpower, tried to prove to me that I am an ignoramus youth.
                1. Shvonder
                  +3
                  15 September 2014 16: 05
                  Quote: yushch
                  This is a miracle in feathers, in all seriousness, claims that the Union was a raw materials appendage of the West. And to my question, how can a raw materials appendage be a superpower, tried to prove to me that I am an ignoramus youth.

                  Yes, yes! What did you think? You will resist, you are immediately blacklisted, but how else? The evil Jew today has gone. laughing
                  1. +3
                    16 September 2014 00: 27
                    Quote: Shvonder
                    Yes, yes! What did you think? You will resist, you are immediately blacklisted, but how else? The evil Jew today has gone.
                    - Are everyone joking about the professor? nice thing wassat professor is here for this and hangs out laughing
                    1. Shvonder
                      +2
                      16 September 2014 13: 12
                      Quote: aksakal
                      - Are everyone joking about the professor? nice thing professor is here for this and hangs out

                      Dear aksakal! And what's wrong with that? Here Herr professor can, but I still can not, so in your opinion? You are not here for the first year, but you understand where I am going.
            5. +5
              15 September 2014 14: 45
              Quote: professor
              RPG-7 was developed by thousands of people at the expense of the state, and bourgeois made "Karla" for their own money.


              1. What exactly did Carl Gustav do with his money, and not a contract with the state?
              2. And precisely, with deliveries, the cost of research and development is not transferred to the cost of production? (through the depreciation of NEMA - EMNIP - in Europe so)
              1. -2
                15 September 2014 14: 54
                Quote: cdrt
                1. What exactly did Carl Gustav do with his money, and not a contract with the state?
                2. And precisely, with deliveries, the cost of research and development is not transferred to the cost of production? (through the depreciation of NEMA - EMNIP - in Europe so)

                1. I do not know for sure, but to check laziness.
                2. In the USSR for sure.
            6. 0
              18 September 2014 02: 15
              Quote: professor
              And here you are 100% right, the "efficiency" of the Soviet economy went down in history. This is one of the reasons why the scoop is covered with a copper basin.

              I’m not sure that you know a lot about the Soviet economy, especially since there were obvious distortions in militarization and employment, which incurred serious costs, all of which was yours and your friends’s fault.
              Don’t worry, we just scattered, we will gather again, later.
              But how much is left for your "state" :)
              1. 0
                18 September 2014 11: 04
                Quote: carbofo
                But how much is left for your "state" :)

                My state (without quotes) has been buried for 60 years, but everything is flourishing and gaining strength and even growing demographically. wink
                1. +1
                  20 September 2014 01: 43
                  :) time is merciless.
        3. +3
          15 September 2014 14: 32
          Lord, these costs must be distributed among all systems of hand grenade launchers in Russia and the former Union. And it turns out the price is three copecks, not without reason they drag several hundred thousand people around the world behind them.
          1. -2
            15 September 2014 14: 44
            Quote: Absurdidat
            And it turns out the price is three copecks, not without reason they drag several hundred thousand people around the world behind them.

            And dozens of countries still have not paid back tens of billions of dollars in debt for the delivered (received) weapons to the USSR. Would buy for their own - the number of RPG-7 would be orders of magnitude less, however, like the AK.
    2. +7
      15 September 2014 09: 18
      Quote: Yves762
      Yes. I also think that RPG-7 will be better here.

      Better than? If you go out to shoot further and hit more accurately, then Karl is better off in the world, if you just show off in front of the camera, then take an RPG-7, it costs a little and it is easier to get it.
      1. +1
        15 September 2014 09: 27
        Why "shoot further"?
        1. +2
          15 September 2014 11: 03
          Quote: Spade
          Why "shoot further"?

          I mean, for sure.
          1. +3
            15 September 2014 11: 19
            Karl Gustav shoots at moving targets at a distance of 150 m. It is quite comparable to the RPG-7
            1. Zeus
              +1
              17 September 2014 05: 02
              Quote: Spade
              Karl Gustav shoots at moving targets at a distance of 150 m. It is quite comparable to the RPG-7



              Yah? A trained shooter with a standard Panzerfaust 3 at 300m confidently takes targets moving up to 30 km / h, this is due to the peculiarity of the visor and the warning calculation technique. Panzerfaust 3-IT-600 with the DYNARANGE mit Computervisierung Simrad IS2000 can take moving targets at 600m, you do not need to calculate the warning, this is done by the laser and gives a marking. Do modern Karl Gustavs have the same primitive sights as on RPGs?
      2. +7
        15 September 2014 10: 36
        Quote: Nayhas
        Better than? If you go out to shoot further and hit more accurately, then Karl is better off in the world, if you just show off in front of the camera, then take an RPG-7, it costs a little and it is easier to get it.

        It's not so simple. For shooting in the open field, Karl will certainly be ideal. But on rough terrain or in a city, its range can be reduced to nothing. The main disadvantage of Karl is his price. A reasonable question arises: for the cost of one Karl and ammunition of one calculation, how many calculations can one arm RPG 1 with? I think about 7 calculations. There is one more actual moment - RPG 10 fights in all the past local conflicts, which makes it possible to replenish the reserve by trophies.
        1. +1
          15 September 2014 15: 37
          Add to this a new line of grenades for RPG-7, which are constantly being upgraded.
      3. 0
        17 September 2014 02: 33
        According to documentary data, the effective range of the KG and the 7-ki are quite comparable.
        Regarding the incredible sniper and long-distance qualities of the KG, if there are real facts, a reference to the studio, please ...
        1. +2
          17 September 2014 05: 26




          pay attention to accuracy at 1min50sec. if RPG can be better - show me, I will be glad
          1. +1
            17 September 2014 07: 54
            Quote: Tlauicol
            pay attention to accuracy at 1min50sec. if RPG can be better - show me, I will be glad

            Yes, you look at the second minute of shooting from NLAW !!! Soft start (shooting from the room) and the defeat of the tank in the roof by an impact core. This Grenade. good Taking off my hat. hi
            NLAW anti-tank manual grenade launcher
            1. -1
              17 September 2014 08: 42
              Yes, I pointed out to the man the accuracy of the KG (hits like a rifle). But UFOs, yes, the 21st century! Professor, after all, you called the UFO a grenade launcher and not a PTUR wink
              1. 0
                17 September 2014 08: 49
                Quote: Tlauicol
                Professor, after all, you called the UFO a grenade launcher and not a PTUR

                So he is a grenade launcher, albeit smart, but a grenade launcher. Others would immediately start screaming about having no equal to the world, and I just take off my hat. laughing
                Bill (my favorite) is that ATGM.
                1. 0
                  17 September 2014 09: 11
                  Six months ago, you called it an ATGM C: "NLAW is an ATGM, not a grenade launcher. I will write an article about it."
                  Swedes generally make good weapons, even strange for a neutral state
                  1. -1
                    17 September 2014 09: 17
                    Well, in general, the Brits call it a "fire-forget" ATGM. Today you are in luck and I call it a grenade launcher. Seize the moment. wink
    3. +3
      15 September 2014 15: 25
      Do not forget a very important point, the resource of the KG-100 rounds, at RPG 7 in the region of 300.
    4. 0
      17 September 2014 02: 12
      There is a cut not only in ErEfii, but also in Pin-dos-tan (or SGA, as the connoisseur of all Wasserman says)! Already 20 years ago there was such a mystery: which kilogram of metal is the most expensive ... It turned out that it was not gold or platinum, but 1 kg of the US strategic bomber. If I am not mistaken, this concerned the B-1B, and the B-2 came out much more expensive ...
  7. +3
    15 September 2014 09: 22
    A launcher (with rifled barrel and scope) costs about $ 20000 each.

    This is the cost of a new composite barrel unit
  8. +3
    15 September 2014 09: 26
    You need to know what the enemy is fighting. Suddenly, they will have to face because of the aggressive policies of the states.
  9. +10
    15 September 2014 09: 27
    I think it's better to have 20 RPG-7s with modern grenades in it in a company. Than one Carl Gustav.
    1. xren
      +1
      15 September 2014 21: 30
      Depends on financial opportunities. Gas bottles are even cheaper.
      1. 0
        17 September 2014 02: 44
        Hardly, if you include the required number of "bottle throwers" in the application cost. In addition, an accurate bottle throw - no more than 30 m, an accurate shot from an RPG-7 - up to 300 m with almost all ammunition. In addition, the armor penetration of the bottle is 0 (zero), grenades are 260-650 mm. The area of ​​\ uXNUMXb \ uXNUMXbweak spots on a tank for these types of weapons is not comparable. To burn a modern tank with a bottle (Molotov cocktail), you need a lot more precision and luck than a grenade launcher.
        If we talk about KG and 7-ku, then all this data (range, power, etc.), albeit not completely identical, but completely comparable, even without taking into account technical parameters. So about bottles with gasoline - it's not even witty. You would also say about a disposable lighter and bunches of straw ignited by it, or about self-propelled guns stuffed with match heads.
        That is, do not translate the dispute into the plane of causticity, please.
  10. +1
    15 September 2014 11: 08
    Carl is undeniably a good aggregate! but again, everything depends on the conditions of use and financial capabilities!
  11. +3
    15 September 2014 11: 19
    Here on the site there was an article "I fired from Milan" about how we tested and investigated bourgeois ATGMs, as anyone, but what struck me was what these samples were made of and how technological solutions were used in this case, ours just surprised simplicity of technology and low cost of materials, where we used alloy steel and complex machining, they used penny textolite and stamping, so perhaps the RPG-7 once cost a penny, but not now, and modern ammunition will be as expensive for it as foreign analogs.
    1. +2
      15 September 2014 11: 28
      You read inattentively. The article indicates the cost of not ammunition, also not at all cheap, namely the grenade launcher itself. They had to go for the sake of weight reduction to a significant complication of production technology while reducing barrel life.
      And it is the device of a composite barrel with a steel liner and an outer fiberglass braid that determines such a high cost of a grenade launcher.
    2. 0
      17 September 2014 03: 00
      Quote
      Found in the archives of the forum his post of 2004 on Bulgarian prices
      ...
      rounds for RPG-7 $ 45 / piece qty 10
      VOG-25 shots - $ 30 / piece qty 100
      mines 82 mm - 29 dollars / pc number 100
      mines 120 mm - 54 dollars / pc number 40
      shells 100 mm to T-55 105 $ / pcs number 30 000
      ...
      http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/arhprint/1167563

      second quote:
      For a RELIABLE defeat of an armored object, 2-3 cumulative hits are necessary (although sometimes one is enough).
      Under the Union, they told us (I don’t know how accurate and true it is) that the cost of a PG-7V shot is 25 rubles, (2 shots are a pair of chrome boots), an ATGM shot is 6000 rubles.
      http://army.lv/ru/rpg-7/1465/485/kommentarii

      This is about price comparability.
  12. +3
    15 September 2014 11: 32
    I’ll repeat RPG-32 and its new smart grenade, here’s the rising star of Russian grenade launcher weapons! Moreover, the price will probably be cheaper both for javelins and all kinds of Charles!
    1. slavbag
      -1
      15 September 2014 21: 53
      Firstly, we don’t yet know how much it will cost. Secondly, such a grenade is only in development
      For RPG-32, high-explosive and high-explosive shells are being developed, as well as an innovative projectile for Russian anti-tank grenade launchers with self-aiming elements, capable of hitting enemy armored vehicles even with poor aiming, which will greatly facilitate the use of the grenade launcher by poorly trained personnel.
  13. +1
    15 September 2014 11: 39
    Yes, I completely forgot 100 meters for cocking a grenade fuse at Karl it is either a mistake or stupidity of the one who wrote. In RPG-7, this distance corresponds to 14 meters. Well, if this is true then why is this not necessary?
    1. +1
      15 September 2014 16: 16
      The HEAT 551 and HEAT 551C round grenades are equipped with a cumulative warhead, which is driven by a piezoelectric fuse, which ensures the operation of warheads at large angles of encounter with an obstacle. At the same time, the fuse does not work when a grenade passes through small bushes or light obstacles at a distance of 24-40 m, which ensures the use of a grenade launcher from ambushes.
      30 meters he has a delay.
  14. Consmo
    +6
    15 September 2014 11: 51
    Every sandpiper praises its own swamp.
    RPGs and this wunder wunder have their own strengths and weaknesses.
    Gustav may be better in the field. But you need to make sure that you don’t get into the parapet from behind. Yes, the disguise is decent. In the city there are no advantages for adversary weapons.
    At cost, a threaded barrel is always more expensive to manufacture and more critical to pollution.
    At the cost of development, I do not think that the Capitalists are more effective than ours. In any case, German laboratories and design bureaus contained 10 times more specialists on planes during the war.
    I know a little of the guys on locators and missile control. In Soviet times in particular. There were units who pulled the whole thing-direction, the rest of the corps de ballet, (girls with pieces of paper and so on)
    At our expense, due to the high level of education in special laboratories, a turner (pilot production) could offer a solution that dramatically improves the parameters.
    In the West, everything is simple there, one leader the others are looking into his mouth.
    1. -7
      15 September 2014 13: 51
      Quote: Konsmo
      In the West, everything is simple there, one leader the others are looking into his mouth.

      From personal experience? Did you work there?
    2. +3
      15 September 2014 23: 54
      Especially cheap in development was the F-35 fighter. He clearly showed the absence of corruption in the United States.
      1. 0
        17 September 2014 03: 02
        mere pennies, I tell you this! ;-)
  15. +1
    15 September 2014 14: 56
    Quote: professor
    Quote: avt
    Well, in general, the cost of production of RPG-7 in comparison with "Karla" is incommensurable!

    Most likely it is, but I have no exact data. RPG-7 was developed by thousands of people at the expense of the state, and bourgeois made "Karl" for their own money.

    Quote: avt
    One word - scoop, where is there to "an effective private owner of an enlightened Europa".

    And here you are 100% right, the "efficiency" of the Soviet economy went down in history. This is one of the reasons why the scoop is covered with a copper basin. hi

    The USSR was in no way inferior to the United States in economics. If the United States had not united with China in the 80s, then they would have lost the USSR. And so they won, due to the fact that all their enterprises were transferred to China. In addition, the United States is the owner of the dollar - they can do nothing at all. Any transaction in the world goes through their banks and they always have a percentage with them!
    1. -2
      15 September 2014 14: 59
      Quote: Shtynsky Dwarf
      The USSR was in no way inferior to the United States in economics.

      Deep! 5 points. Let's record.
    2. slavbag
      -2
      15 September 2014 21: 58
      You have definitely read NOT SCIENCE Fiction. Here on the site the bulk of the people still remember the USSR. He remembers for example DIFFICIENCY of everything and everyone.
      1. +4
        16 September 2014 00: 02
        The deficit was, however, not everything and everything. Suneli hops, green tomatoes, pasta, sprats in tomato never disappeared from stores. However, there was armament, and in sufficient quantities. It is also necessary to take into account that we were against everyone and could expand the number of our allies around the world in the competition with the United States and Europe. The number of opponents and their resources cannot be underestimated. At the moment, Russia is trying to unite China, India, Brazil around itself, and this is much more than half of humanity. In this regard, Russia is easier than the USSR.
        1. slavbag
          -1
          16 September 2014 08: 34
          India? You are joking or see only what you like. India is no longer and will not be an adviser to Russia. As for China, you guys have problems. I'll tell you which one. Your government feeds you shit in the sense that everything is pink with China. You are probably all from the west of Russia. And go to China, talk to local aborigines. They are the farther the more they think that Russia occupied the Far East. And someday they will take their back.
      2. +4
        16 September 2014 01: 20
        Quote: slavbag
        You have definitely read NOT SCIENCE Fiction. Here on the site the bulk of the people still remember the USSR. He remembers for example DIFFICIENCY of everything and everyone.

        If you only remember the deficit of everything and everything (if you really remember this time at all), then you were born in the late 80s, that means, in fact, you didn’t see anything.

        For example, do not remember the taste of real concentrated juice "Rkatsiteli", pomegranate juice, not compote in tetrapacks, real milk that does not last for weeks, but turns sour tomorrow, Cuban mango juice, the taste of peasant salted butter without palminates ... Have not seen the Okean stores , heaped up with stacks of various canned food under the ceiling and with rows of freezers of different varieties of fish, which people are still picky about, choose - this, they say, is too bony, and the tentacles of squid are rubber.
        You have not seen the stacks of compotes and preservation, which few people took, and which was better and tastier than today's "juices".


        Many things you don’t remember and cannot remember. Because in the USSR you never lived in a conscious age.

        These tales are about "total deficit" for the young, gullible and irresponsible, who have really "read NOT SCIENCE" of liberal freaks about the USSR and their propagandistic curators who are trying to instill in the population of the country a disgust for themselves and a guilt complex.
        1. slavbag
          -1
          16 September 2014 08: 37
          You are my dear. I was born in the late 60s. But the fact is that in another country - the Far East. I well remember that we had nothing out of milk. Of meat, nothing. Of sweets - a soy bar. And all that was at home - dad brought, work allowed. Tell your nostalgia to your Moscow-Petersburg neighbors.
          1. +1
            16 September 2014 11: 38
            Quote: slavbag
            You are my dear. I was born in the late 60s. But the fact is that in another country - the Far East. I well remember that we had nothing out of milk. Of meat, nothing. Of sweets - a soy bar. And all that was at home - dad brought, work allowed. Tell your nostalgia to your Moscow-Petersburg neighbors.

            There are no products, hunger, a total deficit, and the population of Birobidzhan after the war is growing steadily! Local non-compliance with the law of conservation of energy, not otherwise.

            However, judging by your words, all the local disasters were canceled by your dad, everything was in your family, the work of dad allowed. But you went shopping after school and wept, empathizing with the simple Soviet people who stood in lines for soy bars ...

            Their haggard faces caused you surprise and sadness, because they still had to maintain demographic growth from the last exhausted forces at the sight of the NKVD executioners' rifles!

            What papa brought, you ate sadly. It was this deep experience of social injustice and inequality, these difficult experiences in vulnerable childhood, the unbearable sensation of the contrast of the hungry eyes of the exhausting citizens and that sweet, greasy, shiny that the pope brought ... it was it that convinced you of the injustice and depravity of the communist system.

            A sense of honor, which had developed early in a smart, moving Jewish boy, almost made him hate his full reflection in the mirror ... it made you leave the USSR!

            Umm, did you write everything right?
            1. +2
              16 September 2014 11: 58
              A serious deficit and cards appeared at the end of the USSR in the late 80s, so there is no need to retype the propaganda of America’s voice here.
              1. -1
                16 September 2014 12: 05
                Quote: Mentat
                A serious deficit and cards appeared at the end of the USSR in the late 80s, so there is no need to retype the propaganda of America’s voice here.

                Agitation is you print. I can tell how my mother in Azerbaijan in the 70s at 4 in the morning took a queue at a dairy store to buy cow's milk for my brother. At 7 in the morning the door of the store was thrown open and the seller reported: "Malaka netu".
                I can also tell you how my parents, both of them on active duty, have been waiting in line for years when they bring a carpet or refrigerator to the military office. In the city, they were freely available for sale in the late 70s and early 80s.

                About so you could buy a car to tell? wink

                Scoop he is a scoop. wassat

                PS
                Izhevsk, the 70s. Who will say that the counters are empty?
                1. +3
                  16 September 2014 12: 46
                  Quote: professor
                  Quote: Mentat
                  A serious deficit and cards appeared at the end of the USSR in the late 80s, so there is no need to retype the propaganda of America’s voice here.

                  Agitation is what you print. I can tell you how my mother in Azerbaijan in the 70s at 4 a.m. queued up in a dairy store.

                  An interesting thing, I can’t recall a single specialized dairy store of those years (although, perhaps, they were). Moreover, I doubt its existence in a small town, where the deficit reigned already in the 70s.

                  In the Soviet Union there were enough minuses, as well as pluses, there were mistakes in the production of household appliances, this is a fact. On the other hand, I personally would have preferred a reliable, well-functioning thing to a giant shaft of multi-colored consumer goods, it was in this direction that they tried to develop the production of household appliances. But this is a separate and very big topic.

                  About so you could buy a car to tell? wink

                  Personal vehicles in those years were considered as a luxury item and, to some extent, an excess. The bet was on public transport.

                  Scoop he is a scoop. wassat

                  The result of the successful development of the socialist, and then the communist system is well described by the Strugatsky. This is not bad, not worse, it is different. As we know, for various reasons this could not be done.

                  I also emphasize separately that, for a long list of reasons, resuscitation of such a system is unlikely in the foreseeable future.

                  All this is very far from the topic of the branch, if you wish, you can transfer the discussion to a separate topic.
                  1. -2
                    16 September 2014 14: 40
                    Quote: Mentat
                    An interesting thing, I can’t recall a single specialized dairy store of those years (although, perhaps, they were). Moreover, I doubt its existence in a small town, where the deficit reigned already in the 70s.

                    There were. Do not doubt. Shops and even dairy shops (kiosks) were in the 1970s, but milk was not always there.

                    Quote: Mentat
                    On the other hand, I personally would have preferred a reliable, well-functioning thing to a giant shaft of multi-colored consumer goods, it was in this direction that they tried to develop the production of household appliances.

                    Do you mean a washing machine Riga Bosch? wink

                    Quote: Mentat
                    Personal vehicles in those years were considered as a luxury item and, to some extent, an excess. The bet was on public transport.

                    In those years, washing machines were also considered a luxury item and, to some extent, an excess. The bet was on public services? Are the products in stores also overkill and the emphasis was on catering? Well and so on ...

                    Quote: Mentat
                    The result of the successful development of the socialist, and then the communist system is well described by the Strugatsky.

                    Who, no matter how science fiction writers describe the result of the successful development of the socialist, and then the communist system? In practice, we see what happened to the USSR and how Cuba lives with North Korea.

                    Quote: Mentat
                    All this is very far from the topic of the branch, if you wish, you can transfer the discussion to a separate topic.

                    Here I agree with you 100%. hi
                  2. slavbag
                    0
                    16 September 2014 19: 56
                    Do you know about the existence of dairy kitchens at children's hospitals. Do you know what for? I'll tell you. Babies were laid milk. There was no baby food. There was no milk. Here are the mummies, and they went with milk donuts to the Children's Dairy Kitchen. In a prosperous USSR, children could easily be left without milk.
                  3. +2
                    17 September 2014 03: 25
                    Specialty dairy stores, as far as I remember, were in areas where houses were built in the years 50-60. Let's say I'm near. There were also grocery stores - multidisciplinary grocery stores. Only, as far as I remember, they tried to take out the sale of vegetables to individual stores. I think this was due to the imperfection of storage technologies for all beets and potatoes.
                2. 0
                  18 September 2014 14: 07
                  Quote: professor
                  Izhevsk, the 70s. Who will say that the counters are empty?

                  One big CONSERVATION !!! I perfectly remember those times, and what words - voluptuous "Got it!" and simple "DAVALI", "THROWED OUT", "AVOSKA" (she was always with her, in case something was "given" or "thrown away") and other verbal delights from the times of "developed socialism".
          2. +1
            17 September 2014 03: 20
            Am To this day, soya bars are my favorite sweets! Only now you will not find them with fire in the afternoon!
            I had a dairy shop in a neighboring house. I remember very well how I carried cans with milk, bottles with snow and kefir ... For the whole family ...
            By the way, I was also born in the late 60s. So what?
            I remember how our neighbor came from the Far East. Precisely, there was not enough pork and beef, he, unfortunate, had to eat boring pink salmon with red caviar. A friend of mine who lived in the 70s in Kamchatka told me how they went to the fishing port and chose a fish, straight from the seiner, to make it fresh. The very last time I ate smoked sturgeon in 1988, and fresh sturgeon fish soup - in 1987. In 1980, they ordered steaks and cold-smoked sterlet in the restaurant car ... Yes, it happened that parents brought from Moscow in 1984 a bag of sausage and half a bag of cream oils made in our city. But until "perestroika", butter was salty and purely creamy, not margarine. Sausage, even the cheapest one, is tasty, although without the addition of dyes. I know for sure about dyes - my mother worked at a meat processing plant for some time.
        2. 0
          17 September 2014 03: 09
          That's what I'm talking about. I agree 100%.
      3. 0
        17 September 2014 03: 07
        Well, more specifically, the main problems began after the death of Leonid Ilyich. Under Mikhail Sergeevich, they "got worse." I still remember how I exchanged vodka coupons for meat coupons. Only that was after 1989.
  16. +4
    15 September 2014 15: 01
    The RPG-7 has an initial speed of 120 m / s, but then the grenade turns on the engine and an over speed of 300 m / s. Does Carl Gustav have an initial 258m / s and doesn’t grow further? Something I can’t intelligently google this question.
    1. +3
      15 September 2014 18: 49
      New ammunition for the KG is active-reactive. Some.
  17. +1
    15 September 2014 15: 37
    There is nothing better than Bumblebee-M.
    1. +4
      15 September 2014 22: 19
      Yes ... especially if you need to break through tank armor ...
  18. +2
    15 September 2014 17: 04
    Well, close to the RPG-29, only ours has a smaller effective range. And I don't really believe in "experienced fighters" shooting at 1000 m - it's still not a cannon. Reusability is also a double-edged sword, a separate grenade launcher may not keep up everywhere, and often a grenade launcher is here, and grenades are on the other side of the street.
  19. +1
    15 September 2014 19: 46
    And finally, the most important thing))) - RPG7 is easier to charge! And besides, you can tape the trotyl blocks with tape!
    1. 0
      15 September 2014 21: 38
      Then such craftsmen are surprised why their 60m grenade buried itself in the ground.
  20. +3
    15 September 2014 22: 27
    ) but how banged !!!
  21. +1
    16 September 2014 02: 13
    You must probably be brave och :), so that in a clean field from this KG to shoot at the tank ... Meters with 800 ...
  22. +2
    16 September 2014 16: 46
    Guys! You started again for health, but ......; that is, I wanted to remind you: an article about a grenade launcher of the Swedish notion, and not about the Soviet deficit and the foreign abundance of the USSR period. End the argument on the topic: "durak! durak! "
    1. +1
      5 October 2014 12: 05
      Well so professor tried ... And where so much bile. It was not otherwise that they pounded at school or the Russian unshaven physiognomy took a woman away. wassat And what’s interesting, all the professor’s posts end up in a scoop that’s bad ... It was possible, but my mother raised one of her three sons and all three got higher education .. And not bad. My younger bros speak English and have a corresponding job. And they were full. + there was still a grandmother, a pensioner. And now my mother lives normally only because her sons do not leave ... So do not la la that everything was bad. hi
      1. 0
        5 October 2014 12: 21
        And what do you compare your mother (may her years last) with a granny. You compare how these grannies in the damned West survive (or how they lived when the scoop built socialism) and what kind of education they give at the university.

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