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Director General of UVZ: modernization of T-72 tanks can be done in Azerbaijan

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Modernization of MBT T-72 to the level of support combat vehicle tanks (BMPT) “Terminator” may be engaged in Azerbaijani enterprises, the newspaper said Look with reference to ITAR-TASS.



“Visiting the UVZ stand at the ADEX-2014 exhibition, President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev noted that the modernization package, which allows turning the T-72 into the Terminator (Uralvagonzavod has already released its version of the Terminator-2), is easily accessible to the defense industry of Azerbaijan ", - said Oleg Sienko, general director of the corporation Uralvagonzavod, to the agency.
He stressed that Russian technical implementations will allow Azerbaijan to convert T-72 into Terminator at its facilities. “Modernization of the T-72 fleet is necessary everywhere, and not only in Azerbaijan. This is an obvious question. ”- stated the general director of UVZ.

The head of the Rosoboronexport delegation at the ADEX-2014 exhibition, Esen Topoev, told the publication that earlier the company had made a proposal to the Azerbaijani side to organize the modernization of the T-72 tank fleet.

“We presented the Uralvagonzavod products to the President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev at a static site. We examined the BMPT-72 Terminator tank support vehicle and suggested that there is a sufficiently large fleet of T-72 tanks, to carry out their deep modernization to the BMPT level and consider further possibilities for developing this option.Said Topoev.

Last September, at the Russia Arms Ехро exhibition (Nizhny Tagil), an agreement on the creation of a joint venture for the production of BMPT on an equal footing was signed by Uralvagonzavod and Kazakhstan Engineering.
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 September 2014 19: 57
    +37
    Our "Terminator" to Azerbaijan? Don't do that. After running on the Polish border of New Russia, let them buy.
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 12 September 2014 20: 01
      +31
      Let Azerbaijan reconstruct T-72 tanks, and our production facilities will be engaged in the production of what our army needs.
      1. Mooh
        Mooh 12 September 2014 20: 08
        +30
        Judging by the level of their high-speed patrol car, Gyurza-2 seems that the Azerbaijani defense industry can only modernize MBTs by repainting, well, even tinting optics.
        1. propolsky
          propolsky 12 September 2014 20: 16
          +11
          The radio and Black Eyes should also be included in the upgrade list. (Gentlemen, Azerbaijanis, do not be offended, there is no desire to offend, I just emphasize the national trait of love for rhythmic melodies!)
    2. enot73
      enot73 12 September 2014 20: 39
      +7
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Our "Terminator" to Azerbaijan? Don't do that. After running on the Polish border of New Russia, let them buy.
      Where did the defense industry come from? With the union, they didn’t even produce serious consumer goods: neither electronics, nor cars, nor machine tools. I recall only the air conditioners. Maybe we are talking about a screwdriver assembly BMPT?
      1. demo
        demo 12 September 2014 21: 03
        +4
        Air conditioners BC.
        The only plant in the USSR.
        1. Patriot.ru.
          Patriot.ru. 12 September 2014 21: 16
          +9
          BC air conditioner broke down in my year before last. Year of release 1986.
      2. kotdavin4i
        kotdavin4i 12 September 2014 21: 23
        +19
        Quote: enot73
        they didn’t even release serious consumer goods

        The economy of the Azerbaijan SSR was aimed at the extraction and processing of petroleum products. In addition to the aforementioned plant of household air conditioners (BC), there were plants that produced equipment for oil production, not far from where I live was the NORD plant - a secret production that produced optics for military satellites, there were also enterprises and factories - I don't know everyone.
        And please don't call the people by the nickname - "Azerbaijanis" - they are Azerbaijanis.
      3. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 12 September 2014 21: 38
        +10
        Quote: enot73
        no electronics, no cars, no machine tools

        Oh, how are you, dear, wrong !!!
        Televisions, portable radios.
        Fridges.
        Refrigerated truck on the chassis of the PAZika
        Pipelines for Siberia, oh, it's not consumer goods
        AKNI lathes were produced back in 1933.
        Chips and as consumer goods the same factory produced a desktop electronic clock, in parallel with the factory in Zelenograd.
        For starters, I think that's enough.
        1. alone
          alone 13 September 2014 23: 04
          +1
          Eugene, welcome !! But how do these gentlemen know that in Soviet times Azerbaijani enterprises were produced)). They think that if Azerbaijan is only oil))
    3. Penzyac
      Penzyac 12 September 2014 21: 51
      +10
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Our "Terminator" to Azerbaijan? Don't do that. After running on the Polish border of New Russia, let them buy.

      Only simultaneously with Armenia, exclusively against third countries.
      1. Rostov
        Rostov 13 September 2014 00: 06
        +3
        The people apologize, which is not a topic at all, but you will understand me and I hope forgive laughing

        The confused "intimidators of Russia" frightened the Poles with a new invasion

        Attack helicopters, unexpectedly landing in the middle of a field on the outskirts of a Polish town, caused panic among residents. Some in horror thought that they were being attacked by the “Russians,” and began to look for where to hide, and the veterans were reminded of a German invasion. This battle group participated in exercises designed to “contain Russia” by demonstrating the power of NATO, but “got lost” along the way from Latvia, reports El Mundo.

        Residents of the small Polish town of Groot, located 220 kilometers north of Warsaw, were “scared of the worst” when they saw as many as six UH60 Black Hawk combat helicopters on a rape field near the local sports complex, writes El Mundo. “My grandmother, who survived World War II, was horrified - she thought that it was the Germans who invaded Poland again,” said an eyewitness, a young Pole named Malek.

        Of the helicopters, the propellers of which still continued to rotate, foreign soldiers actually descended, continues El Mundo. They headed to the city, trying to find someone among the locals who could understand them, and anxiously asking in English: “Where are we?”

        It turned out that these military vehicles of the American army were involved in large-scale military exercises of the “quick response” group, which NATO is conducting on the territory of European neighboring countries of Ukraine. By such maneuvers with the participation of about two thousand military personnel from 9 countries, as noted in the article, the alliance is trying to demonstrate to Russia: if at least one of its members’s borders are violated, “all military power of the allies” will come to the rescue.

        One of the most spectacular moments of these exercises was the parachute landing of about 500 people who successfully landed at the Latvian Lielvard Airport, about 60 kilometers from the capital of Riga. But then the NATO military “at least knew where they fell,” El Mundo ironically observes. While Black Hawk pilots, on the contrary, for some reason lost their orientation on the route between Latvia and the Air Force base, located near the Polish city of Miroslavets.

        Therefore, they were forced to seek help from others in order to somehow navigate the terrain. “In Poland, you are in Poland,” the local farmer answered them, who was finally the first to understand what they wanted. Then one of the pilots turned the map around and asked to help him determine the direction, trying to determine the location of the group, the article says.

        “Thank God they were Americans,” one of the residents named Tomas said with a sigh of relief in front of the TV reporters' cameras, who arrived in the town after a couple of hours. “We thought that they were Russians, and already started looking for where to hide,” El Mundo quoted him as saying.

        Galina Mayor Galina Kovalkovskaya explained more formally that the helicopter pilots could not understand exactly where they were, because of the "thick fog". She handed travel brochures describing the area and attractions in the area to the Americans, reports El Mundo. “Of course, we should have met them with bread and salt. But we were so shocked that we didn’t react normally and left in a few minutes, ”complained Kovalkovskaya.

        Original: http: //russian.rt.com/inotv/2014-09-12/Zaplutavshie-ustrashitel

        i-Rossii-napugali-polyakov

        Something the link is incorrectly displayed, so the original is easier to find from this text: The confused "intimidators of Russia" scared the Poles with a new invasion

        Well, I will quote one post - They still did not believe that our paratroopers accidentally came to Ukraine! It’s just that our paratroopers had maps of 2015!
        1. Foxmara
          Foxmara 13 September 2014 06: 02
          +2
          The Germans in 2MV in Czechoslovakia were lost, they bought cards in a stall. NATO seems to have this tradition. Even ZhPS does not help. Well and what on our 10 paratroopers drove? And of course it’s fun that the Poles, having heard about the Russians, are first of all looking for where to hide
      2. prio124
        prio124 13 September 2014 03: 39
        +1
        True, all this is twofold. On the one hand, the defense industry, which needs orders, on the other, an agreement with Armenia.
  2. Megatron
    Megatron 12 September 2014 19: 58
    +7
    Good idea - every dog ​​tries to steal!
  3. dr.star75
    dr.star75 12 September 2014 19: 59
    +7
    Interestingly, our MO did not revise its position on the terminators?
  4. Patriot.ru.
    Patriot.ru. 12 September 2014 20: 00
    +8
    Let the Terminators do it, if only they do not fight with Armenia.
    1. KAM
      KAM 12 September 2014 20: 33
      +9
      That's what they’re going to do
      1. Patriot.ru.
        Patriot.ru. 12 September 2014 21: 13
        +2
        When the grandmas go to the Azeibardjan budget. They will think what and how to do. And this terminator, an ordinary T-72 chassis plus a mounted attachment that will come from Russia. There is nothing new there.
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 12 September 2014 21: 58
      +2
      Quote: Patriot.ru.
      Let the Terminators do it, if only they do not fight with Armenia.

      So I say that they reconciled with the Armenians, and not the Turks listen.
    3. sas78
      sas78 13 September 2014 03: 03
      +1
      and this is the question: how will Armenia react to this? And let Armenia be the base for the modernization of anti-tank systems !?
  5. Phantom Revolution
    Phantom Revolution 12 September 2014 20: 02
    +19
    Why strengthen the military potential of Azerbaijan if this increases the likelihood of a conflict with Armenia? Moreover, Azerbaijan itself is more likely to belong to the category of potential opponents + cooperation with NATO. Is it better to do the modernization of our troops or that we already have everything at 100% modern?
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 12 September 2014 20: 36
      +5
      Quote: Phantom Revolution
      Why strengthen the military potential of Azerbaijan if this increases the likelihood of a conflict with Armenia?


      To tie Armenia to yourself even more tightly. It is obvious.
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 12 September 2014 20: 52
        +4
        Quote: Zymran
        To tie Armenia to yourself even more tightly. It is obvious.

        Encouraging Azerbaijan to try to take revenge? Unfortunately, sometimes the logic of some states disappears and the weapon begins to speak. I would not want to bind Armenia through war, albeit fleeting, but with a well-armed adversary, for these are victims. Unless of course they insert bookmarks which, at the right time, will disable the equipment.

        In fact, the only thing they will not buy from us will be bought from others.
        1. chunga-changa
          chunga-changa 12 September 2014 22: 46
          +3
          As if "our sellers" don't care who and what to sell, the main thing is money. Who, in your opinion, armed the bandits in Chechnya with the latest weapons, probably foreigners.
        2. Zymran
          Zymran 13 September 2014 13: 55
          +1
          Well, how to say ... Azerbaijan will not attack Armenia, as long as Russia will support it. In turn, Armenia will not get anywhere from Russia as long as the threat of an Azerbaijani invasion hangs over it. So that there will be no war. The Russian Federation receives its gesheft in the form of Armenia in the Customs Union, plus a fee for weapons that Azerbaijan receives and pays on time and in hard currency.

          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          Unless of course they insert bookmarks which, at the right time, will disable the equipment.


          What bookmarks can be put, say on a tank? Missiles, planes still go wherever.
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. Roman 11
        Roman 11 12 September 2014 21: 24
        +1
        Quote: Zymran
        To tie Armenia to yourself even more tightly.

        We tied ourselves to ourselves at one time - and we ruined the economy (working on tying others - our T-34s still rot on the landscapes of Afghanistan, Cuba and other countries) and cries of abuse, instead of gratitude !!
      4. Sergey Medvedev
        Sergey Medvedev 12 September 2014 23: 06
        0
        Quote: Zymran
        To tie Armenia to yourself even more tightly. It is obvious.


        It is not a fact that the point is in Armenia. Perhaps Azerbaijan is arming against Iran. After all, everyone understands that the United States can only fight with Iran through the wrong hands.
        1. Foxmara
          Foxmara 13 September 2014 06: 05
          0
          nope. there is an ongoing conflict in Karabakh. And his Yankees will inflate as much as possible. The peoples themselves don't really care, I talked to an Armenian: "Karabakh is a point on the map! Who needs it ???"
    2. oakim
      oakim 12 September 2014 21: 58
      0
      grandmas rule the world it’s clear))) and then others will think ....
  6. combat66
    combat66 12 September 2014 20: 02
    +4
    If the other side honestly seeks to take advantage of our ACHIEVEMENTS, then this is a great respect! So we move, live, create.
  7. Klim2011
    Klim2011 12 September 2014 20: 11
    +5
    In the world, there are many options for modernizing T 72; since Aliyev chose our option, this way is the best.
  8. igor1981
    igor1981 12 September 2014 20: 11
    +2
    Russia needs to do what is beneficial to itself. If you can make money on this, then Azerbaijan should be helped. In general, in the conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia it is necessary to take neutrality.
    1. Geo
      Geo 12 September 2014 20: 36
      +8
      It's not so simple. It will not be possible to observe neutrality. Since Azerbaijan has practically "integrated" into Turkey, and a large group of the RF Armed Forces is located on the territory of Armenia. This is the only outpost of Russia in the southern direction. The Georgian government is pro-American, the Azerbaijani government is pro-Turkish. If our people leave Armenia, we will lose our strategic presence in the Transcaucasus. And NATO will not keep itself waiting in the center of Yerevan with the already well-known scenario of color revolutions. And their attack on the Caucasus will stop nothing.
  9. Russian Uzbek
    Russian Uzbek 12 September 2014 20: 15
    0
    can, of course, yes, only they don’t tell them?
  10. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 12 September 2014 20: 15
    +9
    Guys, well, as you know, money doesn't smell. Only last year Russia delivered to Azerbaijan: 94 T-90С tanks, with an option for another 94 units, about 100 BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles, 18 Msta-S self-propelled artillery systems, 18 Smerch multiple launch rocket launchers ", The same number of self-propelled artillery guns" Vienna "and six heavy flamethrower systems TOS-1A" Sun ". At the same time, along with tanks and artillery, all the vehicles necessary for their maintenance are also purchased.
    http://lenta.ru/news/2013/06/18/weapon/


    T-90 with the Azerbaijani army at a military parade in Baku. Xnumx

    BMP-3 with sighting complex "Vesna-K"

    152-mm self-propelled howitzers 2S19M1 "Msta-S"

    Combat vehicles of the TOS-1A "Solntsepek" heavy flamethrower system
    We will not supply, they will supply others, the same dill tried to get into the Azerbaijani market, so the rival of the T-90 was "Oplot", they tried to foist both the BTR-3 and the BTR-4, only the Azerbaijanis turned out to be smarter than the Iraqis, took 3 BTR- 3, realized what they got for the "treasure", and bought an BTR-80A.
    1. Geo
      Geo 12 September 2014 20: 24
      +6
      Delivering finished products and locating production is not the same thing.
      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 12 September 2014 20: 34
        +8
        And where in the article is it written, dear Geo, that UVZ is preparing to locate production in Azerbaijan? There will be a conversion of the T-72 into an BMPT, and these are slightly different things. The same Azerbaijan has about 123 T-54/55 in warehouses. Thus, within the framework of the State Program for the Development of the Defense Industry, the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense Industry, together with an Israeli company, plans to manufacture tracked military equipment, self-propelled bridges, armored military cargo and engineering equipment on the basis of T-54 and T-55 tanks withdrawn from the arsenal. Most likely, the tanks will be converted into Akhzarit-type armored personnel carriers.
        http://www.centrasia.ru/newsA.php?st=1252620480


        Are the Israelis not going to deploy production of "Akhzarit" in Azerbaijan?
        But in Azerbaijan, under the South African license, they already produce Matador and Marauder wheeled armored vehicles developed by the Paramount Group (at least 65 units have been issued) with mine protection.

        Matador

        Marauder
        1. Geo
          Geo 12 September 2014 20: 42
          +1
          "Modernization of the T-72 MBT to the level of the Terminator tank support combat vehicle (BMPT) can be done at Azerbaijani enterprises."

          From this phrase, I realized that this will not happen at our enterprises, but in Azerbaijan.
          Maybe I misunderstood something !?
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 12 September 2014 20: 49
            +2
            Quote: Geo
            From this phrase, I realized that this will not happen at our enterprises, but in Azerbaijan.

            Just the final assembly, the bulk of the components will go with the Russian Federation ...
          2. Kent0001
            Kent0001 12 September 2014 21: 08
            +2
            they will dismantle the old tower and supply the module and other equipment delivered from UVZ.
          3. Roman 11
            Roman 11 12 September 2014 21: 32
            +3
            Quote: Geo
            Maybe I misunderstood something !?
            And what is there to not understand? Is idiocy amenable to understanding ?? Churchill said - in no case, let's not engage in Russian capitalism - they will spoil it ....... The truth is now in their relation, too, you can notice - do not give the West democracy and freedom, they will turn them into slavery ...... .
    2. Makosha
      Makosha 14 September 2014 09: 07
      -1
      Quote: Novel 1977
      as you know money does not smell. Last year alone, Russia delivered to Azerbaijan: 94 T-90S tanks, ... At the same time, all the vehicles necessary for their maintenance were purchased along with tanks and artillery.

      Roman, it’s one thing to sell, and it’s completely different to involve in modernization. Yes, even for the needs of the Russian defense industry.
      The defense is sacred.
  11. faterdom
    faterdom 12 September 2014 20: 16
    +10
    Quote: Phantom Revolution
    Why strengthen the military potential of Azerbaijan if this increases the likelihood of a conflict with Armenia? Moreover, Azerbaijan itself is more likely to belong to the category of potential opponents + cooperation with NATO. Is it better to do the modernization of our troops or that we already have everything at 100% modern?

    You may not have paid .. but flashed through the text: "We showed" Terminator-2 "! I hope we will do it for ourselves (the film of the same name was much more advanced than" ...- 1 ").
    And secondly, the camp of the American idea of ​​GUUAM is greatly split, and we need Azerbaijan, for many reasons, including reconciling it with Armenia - also the role of Russia. And Uzbekistan has vibrated something. As for Georgia, it is still a power, except for ambition and there is nothing left. Moldova - whoever gave it to us - would not take it ... Ukraine - no comment.
    But Azerbaijan will be a strong Russia supporter, and not weak and incomprehensible - it will not. That’s the whole logic. As, however, the whole Caucasus, Transcaucasia and Central Asia.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 12 September 2014 20: 25
      +7
      Quote: faterdom
      And secondly, the camp of the American idea of ​​GUUAM is greatly split, and we need Azerbaijan, for many reasons, including reconciling it with Armenia - also the role of Russia.

      Moreover, there were rumors that the head of Azerbaijan greatly angered the Americans with his independent position, it got to the point that the US ambassador threatened Maidan in Baku.
      1. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat 12 September 2014 20: 48
        +5
        Hear, heard under the ground the city is being built ... (c) V.S. Vysotsky

        And a joke in the subject.
        - The defendant discovered a moonshine on the roof. Therefore, he is a moonshiner.
        - Comrade judge, please also judge me for rape!
        - Was it?
        - No. But there is an apparatus.

        What am I doing - rumors cannot be trusted.
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 13 September 2014 13: 13
          0
          Quote: ShadowCat
          What am I doing - rumors cannot be trusted.

          You have to trust people and they will reach for you
          . At a conference in Washington in April organized by the Assembly of Friends of Azerbaijan, the US ambassador to Baku, Morningstar, compared Baku’s policy on democracy and human rights in Azerbaijan even with the behavior of an “elephant in a china shop.” Almost the same position, Mornigtar repeated in a sensational interview with Azadlig radio: “I try to proceed from the logic of the Azerbaijani government and understand their position. They make such an argument that they are forced to take such steps in the name of stability in the country. They say that Azerbaijan is located in a very dangerous region. This is indeed so. If you drive south for three hours, then you will find yourself in Iran, if to the north - then in Russia. But we have a different position, we believe that the more open civil society is, the stronger stability will be. This is in the interests of both society itself and the government of the country. But sometimes it takes incomprehensible and unnecessary steps, in particular, torments citizens. But we always talked and will talk with the government about democracy and human rights. If the government draws a tougher line with regard to civil society, then events like on the Maidan could be repeated in Baku.
          .
          Does this remind you of anything ??? I remember Ukraine was also preoccupied with human rights ...........
          1. Shadowcat
            Shadowcat 13 September 2014 15: 48
            0
            If you believe people, you can stay without pants. Thanks repetition is not necessary.

            But the material you have provided now prompts thought.
    2. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 12 September 2014 20: 51
      +2
      Uguk. Split up. How so. Perhaps the fact that we are delivering the Mi-28 to Iraq made it our ally and removed the Yankees from under the protectorate. Do not tell my slippers.
  12. Geo
    Geo 12 September 2014 20: 23
    +4
    I do not understand, this is "import substitution" !? Can't upgrade ourselves? There are no enterprises left since the times of the USSR ?! Or is this a joke? Azerbaijan has "one foot" in Turkey (a NATO country), where their military "instructors" are registered in all spheres of activity. No matter how it turned out later, like with Ukraine.
    1. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 12 September 2014 21: 27
      +1
      Quote: Geo
      there are their military "instructors"

      For a long time already are not registered! I know what I am saying....
      1. Geo
        Geo 12 September 2014 21: 42
        0
        Yes! Then, let's hope for the best. So I have outdated data.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 12 September 2014 22: 04
          +3
          Quote: Geo
          Yes! Then, let's hope for the best. So I have outdated data.

          It’s just that a sufficient number of officers trained in Turkey have their own personnel reserve, which was not there before.
        2. Bakht
          Bakht 13 September 2014 10: 02
          +1
          Quote: Geo
          Yes! Then, let's hope for the best. So I have outdated data.

          Not obsolete, but completely wrong. There have never been foreign instructors in Azerbaijan. Azerbaijani officers are studying in different countries. In Turkey, the States, Russia. But there are no foreign instructors.
    2. Makosha
      Makosha 14 September 2014 02: 04
      -1
      Quote: Geo
      Azerbaijan has "one foot" in Turkey (a NATO country), where their military "instructors" are registered in all spheres of activity. No matter how it turned out later, like with Ukraine.

      Easy. With information on the "Terminals", I think, and not only with them, they will have something to hand over to NATO.
  13. TECHNOLOGY
    TECHNOLOGY 12 September 2014 20: 24
    +1
    Is the Terminator in service with us? No! Better let Azerbaijan. They'll ditch him with us. So at least it will be useful from our arms if we don't need it. Damn. Toshno. Let's squander. Who's the devil? am
    1. Mooh
      Mooh 12 September 2014 20: 45
      +5
      Don’t worry so, Terminator is an excellent development, but it has one significant drawback: the application tactics have not been developed and probably will not be developed, because by no means does it fit into the existing army structure, and it’s not at all cost-effective to develop a new one specifically for it, therefore bury him. Such a parodx turned out, the car is a beast, but there is nowhere to use it.
      1. Massik
        Massik 12 September 2014 21: 11
        +4
        As long as we can say "stagnation", there is no war and in theory there is no need. Start our tanks on fire and quickly remember that such a necessary and useful vehicle is in the storerooms.
      2. Patriot.ru.
        Patriot.ru. 12 September 2014 21: 50
        +1
        To give to intelligence.
        1. Massik
          Massik 12 September 2014 22: 42
          +2
          Caterpillars clang, all the same, the base is from the tank, so intelligence will not accept)
        2. ksan
          ksan 12 September 2014 23: 29
          0
          Patriot.ru. (1) RU Today, 21:50 p.m. ↑
          To give to intelligence.
          A tank, depending on what weather (wind direction) is heard for 3-7 kilometers. So for reconnaissance this is not a car fellow
  14. vadik191007
    vadik191007 12 September 2014 20: 30
    +1
    Quote: Giant thought
    Let Azerbaijan reconstruct T-72 tanks, and our production facilities will be engaged in the production of what our army needs.

    You seem to be inattentively reading modernization is possible at Azeri capacities, under our supervision, what's wrong with that ???
    1. Makosha
      Makosha 14 September 2014 02: 14
      -1
      Quote: vadik191007
      modernization is possible at the facilities of Azeris, under our supervision, what is bad in this ???

      And what's good about squandering the latest technology? Not only that, we give away the best practices, but also payment for the order will go to the side. This is despite the fact that our own capacities are not involved. And despite the fact that they tell us that they feed us.

      In 2005, we, for a construction company, ordered a stainless steel tank - you can’t imagine! - at the defense factory in Korolyov. And for some penny. Then it was about 9 thousand rubles. And the individual production capacity of 5 m3.
  15. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 12 September 2014 20: 41
    +4
    And we do not have capacities as if. I understand that I don’t want to lose either Armenia or Azerbaijan, but eprst lope can be done with one rake? That "Cliff" goes to Kazakhstan, then Antonov "Ukraine", then "MAZ" of Belarus. Etc.
    No, can lope?
  16. Explore
    Explore 12 September 2014 20: 49
    +5
    Romanian modernized T-55 tanks defeated American Abrams

    Tank TR-85-M1 (c) romarm.ro

    As the Romanian Ministry of Defense told reporters, the armored division was sent to a training ground near the city of Hohenfels, where, together with colleagues from the 14 NATO countries, they worked out joint offensive operations, as well as storming settlements with heavy armored vehicles.

    Romania was represented at the exercises by TR-85 Bizon machines, which form the basis of the country's armored forces and are a deeply modernized version of the Soviet T-55, produced in the USSR in the 50-ies. last century, writes the magazine MIC.

    “In the course of the training, a training battle was held between the Romanian TR-85-M1" Bison "against the American M1" Abrahams ". Our tankers knocked out 8 from 11 American vehicles. According to the crews, after the training battle, the Americans looked very annoyed, ”said the Romanian newspaper Ziare.

    Over the past month, Romanian-American military exercises were held in Romania twice, which took place at training grounds near the border with Ukraine. They worked out joint actions in various peacekeeping operations. Four American F-16 fighters arrived in the country to participate in them. Previously, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania and Estonia turned to NATO and the United States with a request to strengthen the military presence on its territory in connection with the crisis in Ukraine. In particular, the Romanian authorities are asking Washington to place an American fighter squadron in Romania by 2017. By this time, Bucharest plans to purchase used F-16 fighters from Portugal for its air forces.

    Romanian President Traian Basescu granted the request of the United States to increase the number of marines at the Black Sea air base "Michael Kogelnichanu" from 1 thousand to 1,6 thousand people. At the beginning of the year, NATO officially transferred the military functions of the Pentagon Transit Center at the Kyrgyz Manas Airport to this base in the Romanian county of Constanta. It is assumed that it will ensure the transfer of goods and the military during the anti-terrorist operation in Afghanistan, ITAR-TASS.
    1. Jager
      Jager 12 September 2014 23: 40
      0
      It is obvious that the Romanians in tanks accidentally drove into a hemp field. And then they did not "let go" for a long time - everywhere they saw "Abrams", Adb and the war.
      I am not belittling the firepower of the T-55, but head-on against the Abrams, it has no chance. Another thing. if 55 acted tactically competently, using the terrain and acting from ambushes.
  17. kirqiz ssr
    kirqiz ssr 12 September 2014 20: 52
    +1
    By the way, Esen Topoev, the former Minister of Defense of Kyrgyzstan, is already working in Russia. Someone took him and Akayev robbed Kyrgyzstan.
  18. Roman 11
    Roman 11 12 September 2014 21: 12
    +8
    Modernization of T-72 tanks may be undertaken in Azerbaijan Again the USSR ?? Not tired of a rake ?? Why feed someone else's economy ?? I love Azerbaijanis !! But let's grow our economy. Let's start learning to love ourselves !!! Judging by the sanctions ........ it’s time to start to be proud of ourselves, and not to give out the good to others, they will take care of themselves already in the West already in the West! Shame on the authorities, you give industrialization in your country!
    1. faterdom
      faterdom 12 September 2014 21: 36
      +8
      I’ll try to explain clearly: Azerbaijan has oil, its geostrategic position, money, fears regarding Turkey and Iran, threats and blackmail from the Americans, great traditions of friendship with Russia, including their huge diaspora and mixed families, anti-wahhabism (which is in this country considered a very dangerous threat), the sane president is not pro-Russian, but pro-Azerbaijani, there is a zilch from Nabucco and real channels through Russia ...
      In the liabilities - a long-standing conflict with Armenia, some anti-Russian gimmicks such as Gabala, which is completely solved.
      Total: we need such Azerbaijan in the clip of our policy! This is besides the fact that our ties with Iran will also be practically implemented through this country.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 12 September 2014 22: 06
      +3
      Quote: Novel 11
      Why feed someone else's economy ??

      Yes, just the assembly will be there. The T-72 platform is there, the only thing will be delivered that you need to attach and there it will be stupidly attached. I see this situation. The article did not say that the elements will be Azerbaijani or will be produced there.
  19. Sibom
    Sibom 12 September 2014 21: 30
    0
    UVZ - "the office is still the same" OMSK T-90 was 25% better than the Ural! But the Urals had money for ROLLBACK. And now they are "REAPING" the fruits of their Dullness and Greed! 10 YEARS can't DO FUCKING.
    1. Wad
      Wad 13 September 2014 05: 08
      +1
      40 years ago he served in the army, and this is how Sverdlovsk, Novosibirsk and Omichi argued, like, "Yes with us, yes with you, yes we, yes you, yes our whole family" Nothing has changed in our kingdom.
  20. Winged 38
    Winged 38 12 September 2014 21: 37
    0
    Divide and rule.
    Or is it our most advanced technology?
    You think we have nothing to take our own defense industry. And I do not think that the entire newest defense order will be discussed on the site, with a description of the technical characteristics.
  21. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 12 September 2014 21: 39
    +3
    To be honest, my trust in Azerbaijan is somehow vaguely sensitive, there is no trust in them, much less we need to do this ourselves only for the reason if something is at home and not where it will be too late and to tears.
  22. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 12 September 2014 21: 42
    +10
    Apollon (a pure-hearted man in Allah’s paradise) Now I would settle everything calmly and in fact .. I later found out that he died (47 years in total)
    RE:!
    Offline apollon
    5 July 2014 19: 35
    MIKHAN SU Today, 19:10 | Reports of the breakthrough of a column of militias from Slavyansk to Kramatorsk. "Cat and Mouse" by Igor Strelkov?
    Quote: nvv
    MIKHAN. At all times, alarmists were shot. Let them live until tomorrow. And tomorrow .....
    The shooter was right ... I don’t even go to dill sites (I can imagine what kind of enthusiastic screams) I’ll go get drunk nah .. Putin ... I’m silent

    Explain what I have highlighted.

    I explain nah = fuck (the plant is so very sharp) Horseradish is called .. (cucumbers tomatoes without it in any way ..) Although I had a different mind (Russian is powerful and diverse) I agree to ban ... hi I restrain myself .. as I can .. Emotion tries ..)))

    Vitaliy about horseradish I know for the future write completely so that there are no misunderstandings. Since the word I have highlighted can be interpreted in different ways.

    Sorry Apollon ... I found out late that you died ... (and I feel your control with my soul) hi
  23. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 12 September 2014 21: 45
    +6
    But it won’t work out as it does with Ukraine? Today we are friends tomorrow no. Maybe it's better to do it all in the Russian Federation?
    Already stepped on a rake and all is not enough?
  24. avega
    avega 12 September 2014 21: 52
    +2
    why the heck to the Azerbaijanis (who, by the way, will actively help the euro) to give development technologies for our tanks ??? let create their own ball-rolling !!!! if all this passes and then after a while it starts against us .... I advise the developers of this initiative to put on a count !!!!
  25. Tsar Simeon
    Tsar Simeon 12 September 2014 22: 08
    +2
    Where is the BMP72 attributed, how many pieces are to the tank regiment and how many are in the motorized rifle regiment / Brigade. Apparently a good car, I wanted to have one in our ground forces.
  26. L159Z
    L159Z 12 September 2014 22: 15
    +3
    Azerbaijan pursues a non-friendly policy towards Russia, therefore it cannot be given technologies that can even indirectly turn against Russia !!!
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 13 September 2014 10: 15
      +1
      Quote: L159Z
      Azerbaijan pursues a non-friendly policy towards Russia, therefore it cannot be given technologies that can even indirectly turn against Russia !!!

      I would say that Azerbaijan is pursuing a friendly policy towards Russia. So friendly that at the Azerbaijani forums they offered the President of Azerbaijan "suitcase-station-Russia". I would say so. Azerbaijan provides the southern direction of Russia. After reviewing the discussions, I realized that Russian users are afraid of the strengthening of Azerbaijan. That is, they put the cart in front of the horse. The question is, if Russia does not sell weapons to Azerbaijan, then Azerbaijan will not buy them at all? Maintenance of Russian equipment implies training of officers in Russia, a repair base with Russian specialists and, as a result, closer ties with Russia. If anyone is against, then this is his problem. In this case, all this money, ties and relations will go to Turkey and the West.

      First you create enemies for yourself, and then you are surprised. When you learn how to make friends, a lot will look different.

      Azerbaijan is not anti-Russian. Russia needs Azerbaijan as a barrier against the Islamic threat that is approaching the North Caucasus and Tatarstan. After all of the above, you can decide for yourself what is the role of Azerbaijan in the South Caucasus.
      1. Geo
        Geo 13 September 2014 12: 32
        0
        I agree. It does not appear unfriendly. Aliyev has an anti-Russian "fifth column," but it has no influence on state policy, as I see it. There were attempts by the "mayda" in Bak (according to the media) but no result.
  27. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 12 September 2014 22: 20
    0
    Can't Russian enterprises do this? And why is this "Terminator" needed? There are no ways and tactics of its use.
  28. VladBaki
    VladBaki 12 September 2014 22: 25
    +3
    The good news is, I started at the tank repair plant in 92, we didn’t have such an enterprise during the Soviet era, but the time has come to create in the republic there were a lot of ship repair and shipbuilding plants with personnel there were no problems at all at the moment, in the oil industry we go to you and teach you your new drilling projects, we have been drilling with us since 1998, on the T-72 and T-90 the engine is from the T-34. We’ll do the mechanics ourselves, we’ll purchase electronic stuffing and weapons from you
  29. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 12 September 2014 22: 26
    +1
    I agree with most readers. The production of military equipment for our army cannot be transferred abroad. Today we are friends, and tomorrow - enemies. And then we will not have our own production of Terminators. In addition, in this way we refuse the growth of our industry, from our working hands. And buying from another country is always more expensive than doing it yourself. Should a war happen, where will we restore equipment? It smells like betrayal.
    1. Massik
      Massik 12 September 2014 22: 52
      0
      Orders from the Ministry of Defense go at the expense of our money, which we give in the form of taxes and from where we scoop up our hands to everyone who is not lazy, of those who were attached to the feeding trough. Due to what to grow our industry ??? Only at the expense of other states, ours can not give anything.
      A simple example 2 days ago in a sapper fleet in \ h N (where I occupy a maintenance-repair niche), 3 BAT should have been commissioned from conservation, for which 1500 thousand rubles (one and a half leam) were allocated. Today, a decree has come from the authorities to replace and repair, as far as possible, the useless parts and leave the equipment alone. There is no money, no equipment, no details and everyone is happy ...
  30. Sergey Loskutov
    Sergey Loskutov 12 September 2014 22: 43
    +7
    Good evening.
    I respect economic integration. But there are two factors that call into question the expediency of cooperation in this area.
    1. In Russia, and in particular in the Sverdlovsk region, there are enough "underutilized" enterprises.
    2. The manufacture and modernization of weapons should be handled by domestic enterprises.
  31. Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx 12 September 2014 23: 29
    0
    So now the Armenians will fuss ...
  32. dld35057
    dld35057 12 September 2014 23: 50
    +2
    what a great genius it came up with. such neighbors only the modernization of kambaynov need to be entrusted. no technology neighbors. You can India-Mexico and South Africa. But there must be a clean field around us militarily. And do not let anyone think about the military in our yard.
  33. Jager
    Jager 12 September 2014 23: 53
    +1
    BMPT is a good machine, but its weapon module is EXTREMELY vulnerable to any weapon. Enough of one stray shell of a 23-mm gun (or line of CPV), so that the BMPT turns out to be a cart for scrap metal. A good base, but the module must be clearly different, better protected and can with slightly different weapons.

    BMPTshka is, of course, an interesting and necessary thing, but more and more I am convinced of the need to have a special assault tank in service for battles in the city. In modern conditions, no one really fights in the field, but tanks can work with great difficulties in the city. To develop a module based on the T-72, although there will be more alterations than with the BMPT - you will have to increase the angle of fire of the gun (a short-barreled howitzer like the German StuH 43 on the Brummbar).
  34. tigran2
    tigran2 13 September 2014 00: 06
    +1
    There’s nothing to fuss about. But how can’t it work with ISIS in Iraq? Well, yes, the money doesn’t smell. Well, yes, they will buy from others. Question from whom? The West complies with the ban and does not sell offensive weapons to Azerbaijan. The USA has a ban, last year Germany refused to use helicopters. And Russia sold it. Well, a great allied move.
  35. cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus 13 September 2014 00: 28
    +2
    Even I did not understand, we ourselves can upgrade. And at the expense of Azerbaijan, make your tank and upgrade it as you want, but making it from scratch is a problem.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 13 September 2014 16: 47
      +1
      Quote: cat hippo
      Even I did not understand, we ourselves can upgrade. And at the expense of Azerbaijan, make your tank and upgrade it as you want, but making it from scratch is a problem.

      I read and wonder. What is the problem? Azerbaijan will purchase T72 and upgrade to Terminator. Given that Azerbaijan has already purchased even the T-90, it is unclear what is it all about? This is not production for the Russian Federation. And about the production of Russian tanks in India under license, no one heard anything? It’s not like the chassis, the complete documentation was handed over. Well, Azerbaijan wants to have a Terminator. What is the puncture of Russia? Cannot trade weapons? So in the world it is the second most profitable business after drugs. Then give the world arms market to the West. Here the States will be delighted.
      1. alone
        alone 13 September 2014 23: 20
        +1
        Quote: Bakht
        Azerbaijan will purchase T72 and upgrade to Terminator.

        Azerbaijan will not buy T-72. This is with us before the fig and more. Just with the acquisition of T-90s
        gradually t-72s will turn into "Terminators". The article is all written.)))
  36. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 13 September 2014 09: 02
    +1
    Another crazy idea from the domestic defense industry. Grandmas obscured the mind. When will they just choke?
    Azerbaijan is not a country where you can tumble everything indiscriminately. He boomerang in Africa and boomerang. This is all one that under an agreement with Ukraine, deliveries for the Ukrainian army to do.
  37. Alexl
    Alexl 13 September 2014 11: 00
    +1
    I wonder how our Armenian allies will look at this idea?
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 13 September 2014 15: 58
      0
      Quote: AleksL
      I wonder how our Armenian allies will look at this idea?

      And who will ask the outpost? T-90S, MSTA, MI-35, Vienna, BMP-3, Smer, Tos were not asked, but who will have opinions before assembling the terminators in Baku)))))))))
  38. Vladimir 23rus
    Vladimir 23rus 13 September 2014 11: 33
    +1
    This must be done at home! And it will turn out like with the Ukrainians, God forbid.
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  40. Fedor Andreevich
    Fedor Andreevich 13 September 2014 23: 40
    0
    Quote: MooH
    Judging by the level of their high-speed patrol car, Gyurza-2 seems that the Azerbaijani defense industry can only modernize MBTs by repainting, well, even tinting optics.

    Well, they can also understate lol
  41. Fedor Andreevich
    Fedor Andreevich 14 September 2014 00: 01
    +1
    Quote: ksan
    Patriot.ru. (1) RU Today, 21:50 p.m. ↑
    To give to intelligence.
    A tank, depending on what weather (wind direction) is heard for 3-7 kilometers. So for reconnaissance this is not a car fellow

    I remember at one of the defense exhibitions, one Israeli comrade said about the BMPT: "We could use this in Arab quarters."