The deputy director of "Kamenskvolokna": the new body armor will keep everything

Specialists of the Russian company "Kamenskvolokno" developed a bulletproof vest that protects against bullets with a weighted tip and a displaced center of gravity. Galina Sklyarova, deputy technical director of the enterprise, said that their new development “will keep everything”.

"Today, no other body armor, no armor package can meet the new requirements for protection against weighted bullets, hardened core bullets, bullets with an offset center of gravity," she said. "Russian newspaper".

Sklyarova also noted that they had already conducted the first tests of a new bulletproof vest.

“We were convinced that everything is working out perfectly, we are planning to go to state tests by 2016 year. One or two years we need to prepare, ”she said.

According to her, the new product will be included in the next generation of combat equipment - its weight will be about half less, and the weight of the armor package will be reduced by a third.

"We will reveal all the details on this development in 2015 year," Sklyarova added.

It is worth recalling that earlier representatives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation stated that in October the army would begin to receive equipment for the “soldier of the future” - “Warrior”. In addition, the third generation equipment is currently being developed, which will include the new bulletproof vest from Kamenskvolokna.

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[muginov2015]

And where will the kinetic moment and broken ribs go?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: muginov2015

And where will the kinetic moment and broken ribs go?

It is better to get a broken rib than a hole in the fist from the back.

[Telakh]

Alas, bullet resistance does not affect the foregone defeat of the KPVT lineup. :(
But yes, good armor is definitely needed!

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Telakh

Alas, bullet resistance does not affect the foregone defeat of the KPVT lineup. :

I’ll tell you more, they don’t hold a 152mm shell either, but this is still a mystery.

[Consul-t]

I’ll tell you more, they don’t hold a 152mm shell either, but this is still a mystery. bully

She said

Galina Sklyarova, deputy technical director of the enterprise, said that their new development “will hold everything.”

But seriously, I’m glad that we pay attention to the value of the lives of guys and fighters.
Good luck to our scientists in the development of new types of weapons and protection!

[insafufa]

Quote: Telakh

Alas, bullet resistance does not affect the foregone defeat of the KPVT lineup. :(
But yes, good armor is definitely needed!

From armored vehicles with 300 meters, even the armor of the BTR-80 does not save.
And they saw what a hamer looks like after a KPVT colander and crumbles a wall of 1,5 bricks in a place covered by infantry

[Committee]

Quote: Telakh

for foregone defeat from the KPVT queue

And if the two of us, and if not the tank ... I think the direct hit of a 152 mm howitzer, he also can not stand it.

[Galich Kos]

Quote: Telakh

Alas, bullet resistance does not affect the foregone defeat of the KPVT lineup.

In principle, and this can be bungled)) But what kind of fighter can drag it? Not only that, but also run, crawl, etc.

[Pasus]

why carry? powerful exoskeleton with integrated armor and weapons and other systems. and you don’t need to crawl, the fighter will be able to move at a speed of 30-50 km / h and jump 2-3 meters in height :)

[aleks 62]

why carry? powerful exoskeleton with integrated armor and weapons and other systems. and you don’t need to crawl, the fighter will be able to move at a speed of 30-50 km / h and jump 2-3 meters in height:) .... Fantasy has seen enough .....

[Saturn43]

even a bicycle was once a fantasy

[PSih2097]

Quote: PASus

why carry? powerful exoskeleton with integrated armor and weapons and other systems. and you don’t need to crawl, the fighter will be able to move at a speed of 30-50 km / h and jump 2-3 meters in height :)

Yeah, like in the new spell ("Call of Duty: ADVANCED WARFARE") ...

[tilovaykrisa]

anything above 12.7 gauge will not stop any armor. The main thing here is that with all the positive aspects of strengthening the armor, its weight also decreases, and this is significant, and this is very important.

[alekc73]

you mean above 7,62.

[inkass_98]

Quote: alekc73

you mean above 7,62.

Well, up to 12,7 there are still a lot of calibers, so everything can be. In any case, the higher the level of protection and the less weight, the better. We must really approach the issue and not write nonsense like withstanding a hit from an anti-aircraft gun or "Msta-S".
When it comes to human life, no measures to protect it will be superfluous.

[Maxim86]

You might think that the infantryman’s weapon is completely under 338LM or 12,7 * 108.
And nobody canceled small fragments.

[Kent0001]

If I don’t confuse anything, then up to 75 percent of personnel losses occur due to defeat by all kinds of fragments and not bullets, and yes, wit can be competed. It’s just that no one has yet noticed that, in general, it is primarily innovative nanotechnologies (note that they did without Chubais)))).

[ADK57]

During the battles on the Kola Peninsula during the Second World War, the main losses were from the destruction of stone fragments and clods of frozen ground.

[SFIR]

Also, it won’t save from a cannon from a cannon .. and from a nuclear bomb too

[abrakadabre]

Alas, bullet resistance does not affect the foregone defeat of the KPVT lineup.

The main focus is to be on the right side of the KPVT.

If from the side of the barrel, then this is one ... But from the side of the trigger and pressing on it is quite another

[insafufa]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: muginov2015

And where will the kinetic moment and broken ribs go?

It is better to get a broken rib than a hole in the fist from the back.

There’s not much buzz from a broken rib, and a rupture of internal organs from a high-energy bullet can also be sent to the outside world like a hole with a fist for this and put foam rubber lining which softens the blow and more than a bruise

[CONTROL]

there is some kind of gel, a variant of dynamic protection; I read somewhere, forgot ... I'll look for a link

[fzr1000]

No need to link ... around the spy.

[ROD VDVshny]

Quote: insafufa

There’s not much buzz from a broken rib, and a rupture of internal organs from a bullet with high energy can also send to the other world like a hole with a fist

The biggest plus is that they are looking for new materials, making them lighter and more comfortable. Of all the hits in body armor that I saw with my own eyes - not straight ones make up the absolute majority, yes, ribs fly, a bruise the size of a fist, but the person is alive. A bullet hit me from behind over the right kidney broke two ribs, spattered with blood and spat it, but under the prodolom I went down the hill to the cars. Ultimately - alive, grown together. If we compare those heavy "spacesuits" that we wore and modern ones, then the step forward is huge, that in terms of weight, that in terms of convenience, there was an opportunity to look and compare, to estimate for ourselves. On the old ones it is convenient, however, it was on the stones to sleep - you spread and sleep from the ustatka

[Lopatov]

Quote: insafufa

for this, they put foam rubber lining which softens the blow and more than a bruise

The plates themselves "soften the blow". Its size. Distributing momentum over the maximum area. And taking some of the energy for destruction

And "foam rubber pads", i.e. Climatic damping backs, as the name suggests, have a different main function. First of all, heat removal, depreciation is secondary.

[insafufa]

SHATUN VDVshny Of all the hits in bulletproof vests that I saw with my own eyes, non-direct ones make up the vast majority, yes, ribs fly, a bruise is the size of a fist, but a person is alive. I hit a bullet in the back above the right kidney that broke two ribs, blew blood and spat on it, but under the prowl he went down the hill to the cars. In the end - alive, grown together.

Himself in the mountains of the Caucasus, and more than once I caught a bullet in the chest after the SVD in a heavy armor, all the ribs remained intact, though the chest was one big bruise. After the bullet from the TT hit the frameless armor of the bullet in the back under the right scapula, the horses almost didn’t move for a long time, blood rang out and the parmidol didn’t help, almost suffocated from their blood, the drainage was okay, but the drainage went away but it wasn’t pleasant. The bone fused without surgery and the lung, like a bo, also came in order, but I was of little use.

[muginov2015]

I agree with you. Sometimes it is better to have cross-cutting than a bloody jelly in place of the liver and another liver. I speak as a specialist.

[Kent0001]

I think these points are taken into account.

[smershxnumx]

But how do you imagine the flight of a bullet "with a displaced center of gravity" ???? Physics all taught at school ???? What other such "displaced centers" ???? If the author of the article literally transmitted the "speech" of Galina Sklyarova, then my question is: who appointed to the post technical director LEARNING ???

[Maxim86]

Perhaps we are talking about bullets in flight "on the verge of stability".
When in contact with an obstacle, the bullet loses stability and begins to tumble, causing severe damage.
For example, our 5,45 rifle cartridge.

But why he was mentioned in the article is also incomprehensible to me. Because shifted center of gravity does not increase armor penetration.

[smershxnumx]

Or maybe they meant small-caliber light bullets ???

[insafufa]

Agree swami

why he was mentioned in the article is also incomprehensible to me. Because shifted center of gravity does not increase armor penetration.

it increases damage to internal tissues

[Gomunkul]

AMMUNITION 5,45x39 - NATO SOVIET RESPONSE
It turns out that everything that tells about the properties of bullets with a displaced center of gravity is fiction? Not really.
Following the adoption of the 5,56x45 cartridge by the armies of the NATO countries, the Soviet Union developed its intermediate cartridge of a reduced caliber - 5,45x39. His bullet had a deliberately displaced backward center of gravity due to a cavity in the bow. This ammunition, which received the 7H6 index, went through “baptism of fire” in Afghanistan. And here it turned out that the nature of the wounds inflicted by him seriously differs from the same M-193 and M855.
When hit in the tissue, the Soviet bullet did not roll forward with its tail part, like small-caliber American bullets - it began to tumble randomly, repeatedly turning over during movement in the wound canal. Unlike American bullets, 7H6 was not destroyed, since its strong steel shell withstood hydraulic loads when moving inside the body.
Experts believe that one of the reasons for the behavior of the 7N6 ammunition bullet in soft tissues is just the shifted center of gravity. When it enters the body, the rotation of the bullet sharply slows down, and the stabilizing factor ceases to play its role. Further somersaults, most likely, are due to processes occurring inside the bullet itself. Part of the lead shirt, located closer to the bow, due to sharp braking is shifted forward, which leads to an additional shift of the center of gravity, and accordingly, the point of application of forces already during the movement of the bullet in the tissues. In addition, the bullet nose itself bends. Given the heterogeneous structure of the tissues, we get a very complex nature of the wounds inflicted by such bullets. The most severe tissue damage with 7H6 ammunition bullets occurs in the final section of the movement at a depth of more than 30 cm.
Now about the cases of "went into the leg - went to the head." If you look at the scheme of the wound channel, then really, some of its curvature is noticeable. Obviously, the inlet and outlet from the bullet in this case will not strictly correspond to each other. But the deviation of the trajectory of the 7H6 ammunition bullet from the straight line begins only at a depth of 7 cm when it enters the fabric. The trajectory curve is noticeable only with a long wound channel, at the same time, with edge hits, the damage done is minimal.
Theoretically, given the increased tendency of the 7N6 ammunition bullet to ricochet, a sharp change in its trajectory is also possible when it hits a bone along a tangent. But, of course, hitting the leg, such a bullet will still not come out, for example, from the head. For this, she simply does not have enough energy. When shooting at ballistic gelatin at close range, the penetration depth of the bullet does not exceed half a meter.

[cap54]

the deviation of the trajectory of the 7H6 ammunition bullet from the straight line begins only at a depth of 7 cm when it enters the fabric

I served in 78-80 and we just had such ammunition, and this is the case: a fighter when discharging an assault rifle striking the store didn’t disconnect the horn from the assault rifle, but already managed to jerk the shutter (the so-called 3-circle tactic), on the trigger and - 7 bullets in the region of the heart (2 cm to the right of the left nipple) ... He stayed alive - not a single bullet hit the heart, only shocked him. During the operation, the bullets were removed from the lungs, liver, stomach, and spleen. The guy of course was commissioned. And this is not a bike.

[meronem]

Quote: smerx24

But how do you imagine the flight of a bullet "with a displaced center of gravity" ???? Physics all taught at school ???? What other such "displaced centers" ???? If the author of the article literally transmitted the "speech" of Galina Sklyarova, then my question is: who appointed to the post technical director LEARNING ???

While studying at the university he did work on gunshot wounds of bullets of a cartridge of caliber - 5,45x39. As far as I remember, there the center of mass of the bullet is intentionally shifted back, in the last third. This leads to the fact that after the shot the bullet does not rotate around its axis, but around the center of mass so that the front end of the bullet significantly deviates from the line of the shot, and the bottom deviates slightly from it. Thus, a bullet rotating in flight forms a figure - a cone directed forward by the base. This explains the extreme instability of the bullet - branches, leaves, etc. can deflect its trajectory. And if it gets into the body, such a bullet moves, unlike the stable 7,62 bullet, not along the axis of the shot, forming a rectilinear wound canal, but begins to tumbling unpredictably, fragmenting, reflecting off bones, ammunition, causing wounds much more severe than bullet 7,62 , XNUMX.
Thus, a bullet with a displaced center of gravity exists, flies well, severely injures, and all according to the laws of physics.

[ROD VDVshny]

Quote: meronem

Thus, a bullet with a displaced center of gravity exists, flies well, severely injures, and all according to the laws of physics.

The attention paid to this type of ammunition is clearly exaggerated
With all the advantages you have listed, they have an extremely significant drawback - it is almost impossible to "get" a gate even in light thickets. Plus literally wild ricochets. At the same time, a burst from a machine gun with ordinary cartridges sews through these bushes. We had these b / ns for a very short time - in 81 we were supplied to the DRA with the most common 5.45 cartridges.

[meronem]

Quote: PANEL VDVshny

Quote: meronem

Thus, a bullet with a displaced center of gravity exists, flies well, severely injures, and all according to the laws of physics.

The attention paid to this type of ammunition is clearly exaggerated
With all the advantages you have listed, they have an extremely significant drawback - it is almost impossible to "get" a gate even in light thickets. Plus literally wild ricochets. At the same time, a burst from a machine gun with ordinary cartridges sews through these bushes. We had these b / ns for a very short time - in 81 we were supplied to the DRA with the most common 5.45 cartridges.

I agree with you absolutely. I just wanted to say that the product really has a backward center of gravity. And the reasons for combat use are the competence of professionals.
For me, of course, the reliability of the targeted defeat is more important than the unlikely, but severe wound of the enemy.

[muginov2015]

And it’s better for Romanov to have a broken ribs than a hole in his fist from the back

I agree, let's try on you.

[jaguar]

There are shock absorbing pads on the inside of the armor .... but even without them, it is better to have a broken rib than a bullet in the body.

[hrapon]

Quote: jaguar

There are shock absorbing pads on the inside of the armor .... but even without them, it is better to have a broken rib than a bullet in the body.

In my amateurish opinion, the task is to disperse the momentum of force (at the point of destruction) over a large area (ideally to the entire front or rear surface of the body armor). It may be possible to use some liquid components or in the form of a gel.

[muginov2015]

But this is the blue dream of all manufacturers of body armor. Like prototypes, there are already experimental ones. Something like two-phase fluids, or rather Newtonian fluids.

[Big Electric Cat]

another approach can also be used: "super-slippery" surfaces, for example, based on fullerenes degenerate into a nanofilm.

[fridge]

Apparently, without this, the essence is that the fighter should remain alive.

[FACKtoREAL]

Quote: muginov2015

And where will the kinetic moment and broken ribs go?

future soldiers will NOT have ribs!

instead of them - bulletproof corset!

[a.hamster55]

for this you need to eat a lot of apples, they have iron ..

[SRC P-15]

Quote: a.hamster55

for this you need to eat a lot of apples, they have iron ..

Well then, in your opinion, all the Poles this year will be bulletproof!

[cap54]

future soldiers will NOT have ribs!

And where will they go? Or will they make a bunch of EBs from these Adam ribs? Then on x.rena us such matriarchy?

[Mareman Vasilich]

And eat fish, and ... sit down, hardly anyone will succeed.

[Cormorants]

And for the groin is provided whatsoever?

[Oleg 1974]

Quote: Cormorants

And for the groin is provided whatsoever?

Steel eggs come to the new bronic kit.

[muginov2015]

Before the battle, the groin will be handed over to the sergeant captain for retention.

[Altona]

Quote: muginov2015

And where will the kinetic moment and broken ribs go?

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Jilen is designed like a box or pillow, the outer wall takes a hit, the bullet passes through the soft layers and is completely extinguished by a blow against the inner hard layer ...
In general, the thing is good, on the 6th grade (cartridge 7,62x54 (Mosin rifle) should be kept) ... I can not see the shoulder pads ...

[Tyumen]

Quote: Altona

Gilen has a box or pillow design

Yes, it looks like a cuirass.

[bmv04636]

perhaps noble material is distributed over a large area thereby reducing damage. When we were taught how to build wooden bridges for crossing, then the floorboards were laid at an angle in several layers with a herringbone to distribute the load and increase the bearing capacity

[Giant thought]

Such good body armor is very necessary in the army, it is necessary to quickly carry out all the procedures to provide our military and special services with these magnificent body armor.

[Saturn43]

Well, absolutely without bruises probably will not work))))))))

[Freemason]

muginov2015 (6) RU Today, 11:02 New
And where will the kinetic moment and broken ribs go?

I’ll put you + so that it’s not a shame for a stupid question (otherwise you were bombarded). The laws of physics have not been canceled by anyone, but! if you wear bronik and equipment correctly, you can get only bruises. In addition, the main task is to save the life of a fighter. but about broken ribs ... I know from my own experience that for some time you can run with broken ribs, especially under adrenaline and shock.

[hohkn]

Good news. If it meets the stated requirements, the military will be better protected until new weapons are available. The eternal struggle of armor and shell.

[calocha]

Keep it up! The main thing is that every invested ruble more than justifies itself.

[figwam]

FAST ...

[cosmos111]

and what new material was invented at "Kamenskvolokne" instead of "kevlar" ((((aramid fabric))) ???
if not, then another URA PR PROMOTION ...

[igor1981]

The news is good, it’s interesting only when they begin to enter the troops and whether they begin to arrive at all.

[Tima]

They will begin to enter the troops, the troops of our "friends" - China, India and so on ...

[yulka2980]

Well done! Very timely novelty!

[Berrick]

Q.E.D!
As soon as the Russians are driven into a corner or started to be pressed, as everyone and sundry try to do, the Russians are very painfully responsible in all directions.
I will try to quote the background of Bismarck:
"I know 500 ways to wake up a bear, and I don't know one to put him to bed again" !!!

[erased]

Galina Sklyarova, deputy technical director of the enterprise, said that their new development “will hold everything.”

As they say - filter the market. Is that all tank shells? Well, yes, we are talking about bullets, but what caliber? Is it really 12,7? We must somehow monitor our own words and specify the data.
And all in itself is very good, our scientists and developers can be leaders in this matter. So success!

[avt]

Quote: erased

As they say - filter the market. Is that all tank shells?

Not only, but also an ICBM with a divided warhead. Okay, let it be promoted in the American way, if only the really reliable armor would be bunged to the fighters.

[Crang]

He can hold it and will be everything, but the soldier is no easier for it.

[frcdkfl047]

This is good, they began to supply swift fighters to the troops. The courage of our guys, plus safety, the mountains will turn!

[2224460]

The deputy director of "Kamenskvolokna": the new body armor will keep everything

Yes, the novelty is good, I think the tests will pass with dignity, the question is differently this novelty will reach the end consumers and what the price of the product will be at the output, and another moment will the Moscow Region want to buy it. it is necessary "," yes it is necessary ", but how to sign a contract or a rollback Akhavsky ask or funds in the budget" dumb ", the specialists just walk around and lick their lips or take it" for their own ", I don’t say about the regular army, they are before this body armor "like a scooter to the moon."

[MIV999]

In the light of recent events, I would like to hope that these miraculous armor, our "effective managers" will not be the first thing to drive for export to some smart-ass "partners" ...
And that only the Russian Army will be provided with these bulletproof vests! ... AND THE POINT!

[Pazifist87]

Interestingly, why should we separately talk about bullets with a displaced center of gravity ", but 5.45x39 and 5.56x45, ie, in fact, the main automatic cartridges in the world are all with a displaced center of gravity and their penetration is less than 7.62x39, for example? Or am I confusing something?
In my opinion, again, some kind of Hooray report, not a word about the mass of the vest, nor about the material ...

[kolyhalovs]

This is not a hurray-report. This is a PR stuff. So that public opinion knows that there are such wonderful body armor in Kamenskvolokno. "Kamenskvolokno" has been inventing them for a long time and now they are better than those that are not made by "Kamenskvolokno". Thank God that Kamenskvolokno found a special fiber in Kamensk, otherwise Kamenskvolokno would not have had such a success.

As far as I know, the displaced center of gravity does not depend on either caliber or bullet length. There, in the pool, the center of gravity does not coincide with the axis and everything is Tryndets. The bullet from the impact does not begin to crumple, but turns, shredding and breaking, twisting and wandering unpredictably. Humane such things, you will not say anything. So you are confusing something, dear Pacifist on the website of Military Review :).

[Pazifist87]

Not quite so, in 5.45x39 and in NATO 5.56x45 an air bubble was left in the bullet nose to shift the center of gravity, i.e. the center of gravity shifted back. A shock creates a torque, and then, as you described, right down to the trend)

[kolyhalovs]

OK OK! Give up! Yeah ... pacifists are not the same ...
And by the way, I really don’t know why they took out bullets with a displaced center of gravity as some kind of standard of armor penetration. There are special bullets for this.

[Pazifist87]

Here, here is the respected Sergey, this is what guarded me)

Well, I'm against war, all the same

[Mountain shooter]

Good bronics are desperately needed. Nobody canceled the forbidden effect of bullets. Check the effectiveness of such bronikov is very simple. Dressing the author, and on fire. If you go boldly - you can not even shoot.

[Lenar]

Enlighten please, why there were no bronics in the Second World War, and also in the war with Napoleon.

1. In ancient times there were armor, knightly armor.
2. Then armor.
3. The war of 1812 not a single branch of the army had body protection.
4. The Great Patriotic War - it also seemed to be gone, except for a helmet.
5. Now there are armor plates.

Apparently, developments in the field of powerful small arms and cartridges went ahead of the development of alloys and materials in a certain period?

[Pazifist87]

They were at the assault brigades of the Red Army at the end of the war)

[Pazifist87]

And in the war of 1812 and in general at that time there were cuirassiers, the heavy cavalry in cuirasses - the shells covering the torso, were before the First World War.
also during the First World War, "trench" armor, chain mail and felt armor were often used.

[Pazifist87]

Russian cuirassier in a cuirass and helmet.

[Pazifist87]

German infantryman in "trench" armor. PMV.

[a.hamster55]

and in World War I even tied shields from Maxims

[Pazifist87]

During the WWII, there were a lot of things like this:

[vodolaz]

I am pleased with such news) The 16-kilo bronik with which I had to climb in Chechnya did not add mobility.

[Bender]

Nothing concrete where at least the protection class, weight, price, whether there will be protection for the neck, groin, shoulders, armpits ... otherwise what is it from everything else and in two years

[Babai34rus]

guys! And how do we have a shangul defense industry ?! AND!!?
Well done

[Appius]

Many lives will be saved, and it’s more convenient to work in it.

[wladimir]

Well, just to get into the troops

[bmv04636]

Non-Newtonian fluids are quite interesting in that in a calm state they look like a thick liquid, but with a sharp impact they become solid that you can run through them.

[Pazifist87]

So it’s kind of used them in composite tank armor?

[cap54]

Even as a child, we guys also ran through liquid mud in ditches, dug for the foundation of houses, if you stop - then don't mourn, it happened and sucked on the very neck ... And how many shoes were left there - only God knows. Only you can’t run for a long time - the dirt sticks to your feet.

[da Vinci]

“We were convinced that everything is working fine, we plan to go out to the state tests by 2016. One or two years we need to prepare ”... Is that what: T-50 or Mace or VAZ? Or are they still running ahead of the engine? Or maybe even cut the money?

[Georgy USSR]

Quote: muginov2015

And where will the kinetic moment and broken ribs go?

You’ll stay alive

[cap54]

Damn - took off the tongue !!! Well done, honestly - honestly.

[Crang]

Quote: George USSR

You’ll stay alive

It is not a fact that with broken ribs, torn lungs and a huge hematoma, you will remain alive. Bullets from powerful small arms even without piercing body armor can inflict severe armor injuries. In many cases, a hole would be "preferable". In general, if you get such a bullet-proof vest at your disposal, of course wear it. But at the same time, be aware that 7,62mm PC and SVD bullets, as well as 7,62mm AK bullets at close range will kill you all the same, regardless of whether they pierce your body armor or not. A 12,7mm or 14,5mm bullet hit from any distance will definitely be fatal.

[grandfather_Kostya]

Medieval knights also dressed in heavier armor until muskets appeared, piercing everything. The military uniform quickly returned to light linen and silk. Only the tactics of hostilities had to be completely redefined.

[special]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: muginov2015

And where will the kinetic moment and broken ribs go?

It is better to get a broken rib than a hole in the fist from the back.

Pros shoot in the head ... From the rest they can, and save .... Maybe ..

[brace]

They would work in Novorossia.

[Target]

KPVT

In general, there is "Kord" which is better than KPVT in many respects with a similar appearance. Also Russian.

[Olegmog]

In vain in the inguinal region you mock! The unit is not unimportant
in the life of a man .....!

[Olegovi4]

I "experienced" Cuirass on myself, the impressions are not very good. Although the fact that alive is cool. We must, we must dress the soldiers in "decent" armor!

[Target]

Quote: Target

KPVT

In general, there is "Kord" which is better than KPVT in many respects with a similar appearance. Also Russian.

Ohhh ... KPVT with NSV beguiled