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Is Mariupol lost to Ukraine?

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Is Mariupol lost to Ukraine?


Yes, it is almost lost if Ukraine will continue to conflict with Russia.

You can invest in the organization of the defense of Mariupol arbitrarily resources and build arbitrarily lines of defense. However, in order to deliver cargo to the port of Mariupol, ships must pass through the Kerch Strait. From the moment Crimea came under the jurisdiction of Russia, the Kerch Strait became the territorial waters of the Russian Federation.

Now Russia has the ability to block, under the guise of regular sanctions, the import and export of goods through Mariupol and other Ukrainian ports on the Sea of ​​Azov.

Under the conditions of such a blockade, Mariupol will turn for Ukraine into another burden, not bringing income, but requiring maintenance resources.

On the humanitarian side of the blockade. Common logic prompts. that the port of Mariupol is a city-forming enterprise. The suspension of the port will undermine the economy of the entire region and reduce the already low standard of living of the population. Of course, humanitarian issues have their own solutions, however, Mariupol residents will have to think again whether they will continue living with Ukraine - or with Novorossia.
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  1. saag
    saag 12 September 2014 08: 41
    +19
    I think Russia will not block the Kerch Strait, out of philanthropy ...
    1. Denis
      Denis 12 September 2014 08: 42
      +66
      Quote: saag
      I think Russia will not block the Kerch Strait, out of philanthropy ...

      It depends on how far Ukraine’s sanctions are going to go against Russia.
      1. saag
        saag 12 September 2014 08: 45
        +8
        Quote: Denis
        It depends on how far Ukraine’s sanctions are going to go against Russia.

        It doesn't matter if Putin won't do this to look good in the eyes of his "partners"
        1. WKS
          WKS 12 September 2014 08: 52
          +12
          however, Mariupol residents will have to think again with whom they will live next - with Ukraine or with Novorossia.

          All Ukrainian regions and especially Novorossiysk should think about this.
          1. avg
            avg 12 September 2014 11: 35
            +22
            Yes, they all need to think about it. And in order to think better, the strait had to be closed long ago, in response to the closure of the North Crimean Canal.
          2. mamont5
            mamont5 12 September 2014 16: 02
            +4
            Quote: wks
            however, Mariupol residents will have to think again with whom they will live next - with Ukraine or with Novorossia.

            All Ukrainian regions and especially Novorossiysk should think about this.


            Well, these are partners. It remains only to call a spade a spade - opponents or enemies, and you can safely act as enemies.
        2. Roman1970
          Roman1970 12 September 2014 08: 57
          +14
          Quote: saag
          Quote: Denis
          It depends on how far Ukraine’s sanctions are going to go against Russia.

          It doesn't matter if Putin won't do this to look good in the eyes of his "partners"

          And here the question is complicated ... Putin is a smart and cunning politician, it can hardly be counted ...
          1. saag
            saag 12 September 2014 09: 04
            -16
            Quote: Roman1970
            Putin is a smart and cunning politician, it can hardly be counted ...

            After Burkhalter’s visit in the spring, he’s not so unpredictable :-) Watch the ruble as soon as he crosses the mark of 37 rubles per dollar, wait for any peace-loving, universal human initiatives :-)
            1. Who
              Who 12 September 2014 10: 39
              +26
              Do you even understand why Russia devalues ​​the ruble? By the end of the year should be 37.7 rubles / dollar!
              Briefly: having a huge foreign trade surplus in the region of $ 190 billion, it is beneficial for Russia to devalue the ruble to a double inflation level of up to 14%. The budget will have a surplus of at least 7%, and corporate investment portfolios will increase significantly
              1. Dmitry 2246
                Dmitry 2246 12 September 2014 10: 43
                +11
                Here, the economy is not perceived easily.
                1. Commissar of the NKVD
                  Commissar of the NKVD 14 September 2014 13: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: Dmitry 2246
                  Economy is not easy here.

                  Well, yes, but politics is everything, including my humble person - from the screw, Mlyn. Where is Machiavelli with Kissinger and Stalin ...
              2. mazhnikof.Niko
                mazhnikof.Niko 12 September 2014 11: 49
                +2
                Quote: vem
                The budget will have a surplus of at least 7%, and corporate investment portfolios will increase significantly


                Nonsense!
              3. kompotnenado
                kompotnenado 12 September 2014 11: 54
                +1
                We are aware that kakly know everything. Only a trivial question: if they are so smart, why are they so poor?
                1. Vasyan1971
                  Vasyan1971 12 September 2014 20: 20
                  +13
                  But this expression is typical P'indos bullshit! The overwhelming majority of truly smart, kind, decent people were (and even now), if not poor, then needy for sure. And wealth is not an indicator of positive human qualities, but quite often the opposite!
              4. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 14 September 2014 11: 44
                +2
                Quote: vem
                Do you even understand why Russia devalues ​​the ruble

                Yes, in fact, there will be no catastrophe. They already say about the devaluation of about 5 years. I suspect that Siluanov is sleeping and dreaming of her in order to fill the budget
              5. Starley from the south
                Starley from the south 14 September 2014 18: 10
                +2
                Quite right! A "strong" ruble is suitable for performing some tasks, a "weak" one for others, and you cannot tell in advance which is more profitable in a given situation.
            2. Oldwiser
              Oldwiser 12 September 2014 19: 59
              +3
              "Tell Ilyich - we can handle 40!" Let's not equate propaganda (who said what) and real politics (including covert operations). We say - "peace process, political settlement", but we do - we expand VoenTorg and deploy "On leave - to Donbass".
          2. Prager
            Prager 12 September 2014 12: 53
            +1
            yes, he will shrink his paws in front of our western "partners" - the owners of the current dill, and he will not impose any sanctions against it, all the more blocking Ukropovskoe shipping on the Sea of ​​Azov. Consistency and indecision, the desire to please the West, Putin is also inherent - "In order not to offend anyone ". so the future will show what will become of Mariupol.
            1. Evgen klims
              Evgen klims 14 September 2014 21: 10
              +1
              Quote: Prager
              yes, he will shrink his paws in front of our western "partners" - the owners of the current dill, and he will not impose any sanctions against it, all the more blocking Ukropovskoe shipping on the Sea of ​​Azov. Consistency and indecision, the desire to please the West, Putin is also inherent - "In order not to offend anyone ". so the future will show what will become of Mariupol.

              put a plus sign, I agree completely, and somehow, without criticizing the authorities, it will turn out like under the CPSU, everyone remembers the result, something is not willing to repeat such results.
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        4. sscha
          sscha 12 September 2014 09: 03
          +13
          This is possible up to the "red line", which (possibly) will be crossed by Europe. At least what she does testifies to one thing - the desire to dance to the tune of Uncle Sam and the unwillingness to see and correctly assess what is happening. It is then that the GDP may declare Ukraine a fascist state and introduce its own sanctions against the junta. And such a scenario can take place.
          Time will tell...
          1. Altona
            Altona 12 September 2014 11: 49
            +14
            Quote: sscha
            Then, GDP will probably declare Ukraine a fascist state and introduce its sanctions against the junta. And such a scenario could take place.

            -----------------------
            After visiting the temple, before flying to Tajikistan, he told the journalist that he lit a candle for those who died in NEW RUSSIA, and not in the Lugansk and Donetsk regions ... I think that the reservation was not accidental and was a message for some ...
            1. Evgen_Vasilich
              Evgen_Vasilich 13 September 2014 18: 13
              +2
              + a lot, I think. that the people to whom this message was addressed understood it perfectly!
        5. crambol
          crambol 12 September 2014 10: 57
          +1


          Very reasonable. It makes no sense to demonize our Leader. He will not go for this stupidity, because the consequences of the blockade will be very good for us. heavy. Do we need this?

          1. aleks 62
            aleks 62 12 September 2014 13: 38
            +11
            ..... What kind of blockade are we talking about ???? Our Kerch Strait and the point !!!!! ...... It is necessary - let them dig a canal from Cherny to Azov !!!!! ..... If they have time ... Occupational therapy heals ..... laughing
            1. Vasyan1971
              Vasyan1971 12 September 2014 20: 27
              +4
              Or maybe they’re digging a radically different sea. Millennial traditions and experience allow! wassat
            2. oratai104
              oratai104 13 September 2014 23: 41
              0
              Moreover, there is experience. according to the recent history of Ukroruiny, the Black Sea, just the Ancient Ukrainians dug up!
              1. Igor Polovodov
                Igor Polovodov 14 September 2014 03: 59
                +1
                ie the presence of hydrogen sulfide at a depth, also KAKlovskie machinations?
            3. Evgen klims
              Evgen klims 14 September 2014 21: 15
              0
              Quote: aleks 62
              ..... What kind of blockade are we talking about ???? Our Kerch Strait and the point !!!!! ...... It is necessary - let them dig a canal from Cherny to Azov !!!!! ..... If they have time ... Occupational therapy heals ..... laughing

              for sure! They dug up the Black Sea, they dug the canal even more so, it would be more useful to them than trenching trenches!
          2. Starley from the south
            Starley from the south 14 September 2014 18: 22
            +2
            Quote: crambol
            ... because the consequences of the blockade will be very good for us. heavy. Do we need this?

            What consequences? Is the West going to suit the sea blockade? And anyway, what kind of blockade? Maybe dill and full pr .... ki, if they are from Odessa or their other ports on the Black Sea to deliver cargo to Mariupol, because in Azov they have no ports left. If you look at how they acted before, then Mariupol will most likely be left to their own devices, that is, not the mercy of the army of New Russia.
            1. ADK57
              ADK57 14 September 2014 22: 42
              0
              Do not quit.
              There is the only coal transshipment terminal in Ukraine. Coal is purchased in South Africa and Australia instead of Russian gas.
        6. neri73-r
          neri73-r 12 September 2014 11: 02
          +5
          It doesn't matter if Putin won't do this to look good in the eyes of his "partners"



          Good, for your information, first of all, you need to look in your eyes, respect yourself and act as the CONSCIENCE tells you, justice, then everyone will respect you, and I think that the GDP will put the device on the "partners", but this is not means that you need to starve the common population, forcing them to choose either with us or against us, not everything is so simple in this life! Although some explanatory work needs to be done, everything is fine in moderation.

          However, in order to deliver cargo to the port of Mariupol, vessels must pass through the Kerch Strait. Since the transition of Crimea under the jurisdiction of Russia, the Kerch Strait has become the territorial waters of the Russian Federation.


          Yes, and from the point of view of international law, everything is doubtful, despite the fact that our waters, we must pass the transport going to Ukraine! If you need to stop the flow of goods, then you need a blockade by naval means, and there are many questions, whether we will sink, deploy Ukrainian peace transports, transports under a different flag, etc. ... We need to look at the agreements on the Sea of ​​Azov, the Black Sea, etc. d ... The situation is similar in the Black Sea straits, the waters are Turkish there, but there is the Montreux Convention!
          1. saag
            saag 12 September 2014 11: 09
            0
            Quote: neri73-r
            and on the "partners" the GDP, I think, will put with the device

            Probably until May 11, he also thought so, but it turned out that in reality, not everything is so simple
            1. neri73-r
              neri73-r 12 September 2014 11: 19
              +4
              not so simple


              Definitely, not unambiguously, sorry for the Colombo! There is a struggle, you just say that the GDP handed over everything or will hand over without giving evidence.
              1. saag
                saag 12 September 2014 13: 25
                -3
                Quote: neri73-r
                it’s just that you claim that the GDP handed over everything or will hand over without giving evidence.

                This is your statement, they just showed him a bar above which you cannot "jump", you can bash your head, figuratively speaking
                1. neri73-r
                  neri73-r 12 September 2014 16: 39
                  +1
                  they just showed him the bar, above which you cannot "jump", you can bash your head, figuratively speaking

                  Who showed when he showed, where he showed and what the show is expressed in?
                2. Commissar of the NKVD
                  Commissar of the NKVD 14 September 2014 13: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: saag
                  they just showed him the bar, above which you cannot "jump", you can bash your head,

                  And what is so special about that, may I ask? Everyone has some "red lines", which no one can go beyond. And no adequate person will go behind them. It is only Obama rushing like a mad tractor, not making out the road. And it will shove until it falls into the hole. So he does not shine with intelligence.
          2. Siberian 1975
            Siberian 1975 12 September 2014 11: 25
            +7
            In light of the recent events in the Black Sea, I understand that the Montreux Convention will soon be laid large with parting.
          3. Nikolav
            Nikolav 12 September 2014 13: 16
            +4
            A curious aspect: the loss of Ukrainian jurisdiction over the strait means financial losses from transit shipping. At present, about 90% of all ships sailing from the Sea of ​​Azov to the Black Sea or in the opposite direction pass through the Kerch-Yenikalsky Canal. This is up to hundreds of ships per day. Pilot and canal fees, which Ukraine previously levied for their passage, gave tens of millions of dollars to the state and local budgets, and this source was lost.
          4. aleks 62
            aleks 62 12 September 2014 13: 39
            +3
            Fairly shaky arguments ..... The Montreux Convention generally refers to military courts ..... hi
          5. RONIN-HS
            RONIN-HS 12 September 2014 16: 36
            +7
            [b] ... We need to see the contracts ... / b]

            [B]Vale victis ...[/ b] "... woe to the vanquished!" as comrades the ancient Romans said. am
            How Outskirts treated us, Russia about the Black Sea Fleet all these 23 years, so let them rake in full!
            As the "civilized" West acts in relation to Russia, so do we in return! The war has already begun, and it cannot be avoided or cajoled with concessions. Therefore - the blockade of Ukroflot and months of checks in the strait. Let them rust at the anchors until the ATO ends with our victory! negative
        7. Mairos
          Mairos 12 September 2014 12: 47
          +2
          And this is also competent - you can’t break everything by force and stupidly in the forehead. Politics is a tricky business, very ....
      2. Момент
        Момент 12 September 2014 08: 46
        +16
        Mariupol must be taken away by the militia unequivocally. Moreover, everything is ready for this. I think when the storming of the city takes place, the residents will support Novorossia.
        1. andj61
          andj61 12 September 2014 09: 55
          +10
          Quote: Moment
          Mariupol must be taken away by the militia unequivocally. Moreover, everything is ready for this. I think when the storming of the city takes place, the residents will support Novorossia.

          Most of the inhabitants of Mariupol and the army of New Russia and now support, and consider themselves citizens of New Russia. But the war near the threshold of his own house, the destruction of this house will not please anyone.
          However, this truce is unlikely to last long, especially considering that:
          1. The ceasefire was initiated by Putin, who thus hoped to keep Europe from the next round of sanctions, especially since the leaders of Germany and France made statements that a ceasefire would serve as the basis for not applying new sanctions.
          2. The ceasefire at that moment was more in the hands of Kiev, which was defeated, and by now Novorossia has already exhausted the benefits of the ceasefire, especially since there is actually no ceasefire, shelling continues, there are no only offensive operations.
          3. The Kiev authorities did not exhaust the benefits of a cease-fire; they need it before the end of October to hold elections. However, Terr. the battalions and the right sector do not particularly consider themselves bound by a ceasefire, which is expressed in constant shelling, sabotage, etc.
          So after the introduction of the next sanctions by the West, there is no more basis for further deterring Russia’s offensive rush of the Novorossiysk army. And there is always a reason for this - provocations by the ukronatsiks follow one after another.
        2. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr 12 September 2014 09: 56
          -15
          There is one thing ... Ukrainians used to beat schools, hospitals and residential areas, but now the militias will have to do this.
          1. navara399
            navara399 12 September 2014 10: 03
            +7
            Natsiks themselves will hit hospitals and schools in order to substitute BCH, they are somehow more used to doing it, but ours will not, they still live here.
            1. MstislavHrabr
              MstislavHrabr 12 September 2014 17: 02
              +8
              Natsik will hide in them and hide behind residential quarters ... Before cons, brains should be included ...
              But how to prevent great destruction is a question that should be seriously considered ...
          2. ksan
            ksan 14 September 2014 15: 01
            +2
            There is one thing ... Ukrainians used to beat schools, hospitals and residential areas, but now the militias will have to do this.
            What's wrong? Why are there so many disadvantages (not consent)? Or are the militias going to "take" Mariupol without shooting? Or do you think that the NAZI will leave him without a fight?
          3. Starley from the south
            Starley from the south 14 September 2014 18: 36
            +1
            You would be careful to scatter words. Normal people will not shoot at schools even if there the ukronazists will hide behind children. And in the army of New Russia, people are still sane.
          4. Evgen klims
            Evgen klims 14 September 2014 21: 24
            0
            Quote: MstislavHrabr
            There is one thing ... Ukrainians used to beat schools, hospitals and residential areas, but now the militias will have to do this.

            this is called - compare ..op with a finger.
        3. zzz
          zzz 12 September 2014 10: 15
          0
          Quote: Moment
          I think when the storming of the city takes place, the residents will support New Russia.

          I doubt they met the powder together.
          1. aleks 62
            aleks 62 12 September 2014 13: 43
            +4
            ...... In any crowd there are always a couple of freaks or do you seriously think that in Mariupol 100% of the population supports militias ???? hi
            1. ksan
              ksan 14 September 2014 14: 56
              0
              aleks 62 RU September 12, 2014 13:43 ↑
              ...... In any crowd there are always a couple of freaks or do you seriously think that in Mariupol 100% of the population supports militias ???
              If SOMEONE had 100% of both THOSE and THESE, there would be no civil war.
        4. Starley from the south
          Starley from the south 14 September 2014 18: 29
          0
          Oh people! Why the assault, on which he surrendered, put people ... Any of the strongest fortress can be starved. I would, in the place of the civilian population of Mariupol, think deeply about the future: as if I would not stretch my legs out of hunger if we didn’t take some measures ... against dill.
      3. inkass_98
        inkass_98 12 September 2014 09: 01
        +11
        Quote: Denis
        It depends on how far Ukraine’s sanctions are going to go against Russia.

        Moreover, today their text will be unveiled, and Petrush will surely announce their entry into force in relation to Russia. 7 more lardy bucksiv income bye-bye, but when it stopped Svidomo?
      4. Bombardier
        Bombardier 12 September 2014 10: 05
        +9
        What is so important for the situation in Ukraine and Novorossiya Mariupol?

        Mariupol is a port to which ships of the sea class can approach and both export cargo can be loaded, and import cargo can be unloaded. For example, one of the largest coal terminals is located there, which allows Kiev to organize the logistics of imported steam coal in case it does not solve the issue of coal supply for its TPPs with the Donbass (and, most likely, does not solve it, since the military operations are ongoing all deliveries stopped). The question of coal has already risen an edge for Kiev. According to the most approximate and minimal estimates, for the winter he needs a million tons of coal, and maybe even reach up to 7 million tons of coal. Such a volume can be delivered to Ukraine in only two ways, either from Russia, which is impossible now for obvious reasons, or by sea. This is because the Ukrainian gauge of the railway track is a copy of the Russian gauge (1553 mm), and the European gauge is narrower, so even the delivery of such an amount of fuel from Poland is very difficult. Just imagine how many train echelons are needed if one echelon is 3 thousand tons? About two thousand echelons need to be launched. Naturally, with such volumes of supply, the gauge problem cannot be solved.
        What is Mariupol for Donbass? This is the only export port through which foreign economic activity can be carried out. For example, it is also the shipment of coal, metal and other products. In addition, the Mariupol port is very convenient for the supply of weapons. The supply of weapons through the port is attractive because there is no need to "light up" the supplier, because a Liberian ship, or a ship from Abkhazia, or South Ossetia may arrive with weapons.
        1. Bombardier
          Bombardier 12 September 2014 10: 08
          +13
          Even if you do not take Mariupol, and at least block the port until it is impossible to operate, this creates tension in the logistics of Ukrainian energy. After the blockade of the port, Ukraine will simply be forced to start negotiations with the Donbass.

          The largest terminals were in Odessa and Mariupol. He was still in Kerch, but he also sailed from Ukraine. Kiev still has, of course, a theoretical use of Odessa terminals, but they are so overloaded that they simply can’t cope. Therefore, Ukraine will inevitably have the need to negotiate coal with the Donbass for the uninterrupted supply of electricity to cities and enterprises. It has now been announced that at peak times (in the morning and evening hours), blackouts will begin. This is a fact for Ukraine.

          Mariupol is a fairly large city and it is not such a trivial task to take it with the militia forces that exist. A quick assault failed. Now Mariupol has to survive a rather long siege. We must not forget that other Ukrainian cities are now looking at Mariupol. It must be taken as bloodless as possible, which imposes restrictions on the actions of militias.
          1. Bombardier
            Bombardier 12 September 2014 10: 09
            +6
            The port defends it and everything that Ukraine had in the area, and everything that they managed to get before the siege. Nothing good, of course, but it cannot be said that this is not enough. These are police units reinforced by territorial battalions, an incomplete brigade also managed to get there, the rest was lost during the collapse of the southern front and in attacks on Ilovaisk. In general, now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to gather groups in several places at once in order to beat in these places. From Debaltseve try to dissect the grouping of Donetsk and Lugansk, cut off the Novoazovskaya group from Donetsk and Mariupol. Let's see what happens with them. In less than two weeks, full concentration will not end, and the beginning of attempts to unblock Mariupol or the beginning of action in other theaters of war can be expected in two weeks.

            Russian truth
          2. Cristall
            Cristall 12 September 2014 11: 53
            +5
            Quote: Bombardier
            Theoretical use of Odessa terminals, but they are so overloaded that they simply can’t cope

            expand Grain and coal terminals .. and actively ..
            In general, all the terminals are expanding to the noise + the ports of Yuzhny and Ilyichevsk are also not standing still - they are also building and expanding there ...
            In general, we can assume that the Odessa cluster will concentrate all flows .. As for Mariupol, metallurgical and coal flows should remain.
        2. Drednout
          Drednout 12 September 2014 12: 33
          +8
          Quote: Bombardier
          or a ship from Abkhazia or South Ossetia.

          With Abkhazia - I agree a little more. Sukhumi, Ochamchira is at sea, but there are no ports there. Ochamchira has only a rembase, well, let's say it can be adapted.
          But the ships from South Ossetia - yes! This is abruptly on the Amer fleet off the coast of Belarus.
          Amused.
    2. kush62
      kush62 12 September 2014 08: 46
      +12
      I think Russia will not block the Kerch Strait, out of philanthropy ...


      So dill is a plant ...
      1. MSA
        MSA 12 September 2014 08: 55
        +10
        The city needs to be squeezed out of dill, then there will be fewer questions, and now there is no one to talk about humanity in Ukraine with.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 September 2014 08: 55
      +16
      Quote: saag
      I think Russia will not block the Kerch Strait, out of philanthropy ...

      The time of philanthropy is over!
      1. andj61
        andj61 12 September 2014 09: 56
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: saag
        I think Russia will not block the Kerch Strait, out of philanthropy ...

        The time of philanthropy is over!

        Here it is - you need to love people, not the Nazis!
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 12 September 2014 09: 00
      +16
      A tough stance will only bear the fruits of Russia, as fascists understand exclusively the language of power.
    5. vorobey
      vorobey 12 September 2014 09: 23
      +12
      Quote: saag
      I think Russia will not block the Kerch Strait, out of philanthropy ...


      Surgeons are also humane, but sometimes amputation of limbs ..
    6. Revolver
      Revolver 12 September 2014 09: 33
      +2
      Quote: saag
      I think Russia will not block the Kerch Strait, out of philanthropy ...

      No, it’s not a matter of philanthropy, there are some kind of international laws on navigation, and it says there that they must pass. At one time, Nasser tried to block the Strait of Tirana for Israeli shipping. This gave Israel the right to declare Egypt’s actions an act of war, and I can’t write them out at all.
      Of course, the Russian Federation is not Egypt, and Ukraine is not Israel, Ukraine will not succeed in defeating Russia in 6 days, or even in 6 centuries, but Russia does not need an extra stink in the UN or in international courts.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 12 September 2014 09: 36
        +9
        Quote: Nagan
        and it says that they must pass.


        military cargo can be easily blocked ... well, or to the bottom of what to cling to ...
      2. Ptah
        Ptah 12 September 2014 09: 46
        +6
        Quote: Nagan
        At one time, Nasser tried to block the Strait of Tirana for Israeli shipping. This gave Israel the right to declare Egypt an act of war.

        Israel in its own style ...
        Even "corrections" that are beneficial to them are ready to invent.

        According to the Convention, the transit passage regime does not apply to straits used for international navigation between a part of the high sea (exclusive economic zone) and the territorial sea of ​​another state (Tirana Strait), as well as to straits formed by the island of a state bordering the strait and its continental part if the sea side of the island has an equally convenient route from the point of view of navigational and hydrographic conditions in the open sea or in the exclusive economic zone (for example, Messinski Strait). In such straits, the regime of peaceful passage is used.

        In other cases.
        The provisions of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea stipulate that it does not apply to a strait used for international shipping if a strait passes along this strait in terms of navigation and hydrographic conditions on the high seas or in the exclusive economic zone. The use of such a route is based on the principle of freedom of navigation and flight.
        Between one region of the high seas (or exclusive economic zone) and another region of the high seas (or exclusive economic zone) and overlapping territorial sea of ​​coastal or coastal states, then in them All ships and aircraft enjoy the right of transit passage, which should not be obstructed. The transit passage in this case is the exercise of freedom of navigation and flight solely for the purpose of continuous rapid transit through the strait.
        1. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr 12 September 2014 10: 07
          +11
          In connection with the construction of the bridge, shipping and the transit passage through this strait may be unsafe, therefore, ships must register in Crimea, obtain permission and a pilot for what to pay ... If ukrov ships register themselves in Crimea, how can they make claims to the Greeks , Turks, etc. for the fact that they visit the ports of the unrecognized Crimea!
      3. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 12 September 2014 10: 00
        +4
        We will give the regulation of the passage of vessels through the Kerch Strait of the Crimean administration and let them, if they want to go through it, conclude an official agreement with Crimea ... And this is RECOGNITION ... You see, they themselves won’t want to swim ...
        1. fiodor
          fiodor 14 September 2014 22: 04
          +1
          Here, I absolutely agree with you, Ukraine that doesn’t put foam on Crimea, it shuts off water and electricity, it’s always dirty because of harm, although payment is done regularly without delay. And here and in Crimea there will be an opportunity to answer, to take both with this fee and preferably in cash and not with promises for passage of vessels, there is no cash wait for it to be transferred, and after the passage, you will see and they will recognize and do less harm faster, Ukraine is already a little money, you also have to pay for the pilotage of the ships, you have to negotiate if you want, if you don’t want to, there you will not especially speculate with water and electricity there. Well, Mariupol will become Novorossky, so in general the question is closed to the outskirts. Sorry for the amateurish look, I do not understand the law of the sea, alas.
          1. vitamin ky
            vitamin ky 16 September 2014 12: 09
            +1
            Isn't it actually too early to share the skin? -Novorossians are not yet in the city -so far this is an incomprehensible truce -not understandable and not productive -In fact, I already can understand little in the current situation what
            1. fiodor
              fiodor 16 September 2014 12: 38
              +1
              Yes, actually, it's a bit early of course, but that's how a person is made, to dream, to fantasize, but in reality everything is more complicated, of course, and foggy while everything is in line with this "truce"
              1. vitamin ky
                vitamin ky 16 September 2014 13: 15
                +1
                for fantasies indeed, it’s really not fantasy, but fantasy — some of these strange cease-fires are worth — one positive less victims among the civilian population — yes exchange of prisoners — the rest — ukrops strengthen their positions and destroy them with even more victims — this is your how?
                1. fiodor
                  fiodor 16 September 2014 13: 23
                  +1
                  My answer is short, it's still bad to say the least. and in the future it will result in big sacrifices, unless, of course, again, some “private” persons and another pensioner, some kind of Kravchuk, “agree” about something. and so on ad infinitum
                  1. vitamin ky
                    vitamin ky 16 September 2014 13: 31
                    +1
                    here I am about the same -therefore it is necessary to tie all these "giggles and hakhanks" in the media and in other resources - more constructive - well, something like that hi
      4. serega.fedotov
        serega.fedotov 12 September 2014 10: 03
        +11
        Quote: Nagan
        Of course, the Russian Federation is not Egypt, and Ukraine is not Israel, Ukraine will not succeed in defeating Russia in 6 days, or even in 6 centuries, but Russia does not need an extra stink in the UN or in international courts.

        Comrades, take the compass and scale the zone of destruction of the heavy weapons of the militia — to Mariupyl without the consent of the militia, only on boats!
        Yes, and from the city it is necessary to export goods, and the road is being shot!
        Mariupul is a weight for dill, resources "eats", troops for defense are at sea, supply is difficult, but no sense!
        And why should Russia forbid something now? Enough to help the militia get hold of additional howitzers!
      5. andj61
        andj61 12 September 2014 10: 06
        +9
        Quote: Nagan
        No, it’s not a matter of philanthropy, there are some kind of international laws on navigation, and it says there that they must pass.

        The fact is that the Sea of ​​Azov has nothing to do with international laws. From Wiki:
        The international legal status of the sea is determined by a number of sources of law, the most relevant of which is the Agreement between the Russian Federation and Ukraine on cooperation in the use of the Sea of ​​Azov and the Kerch Strait (ratified by both parties in 2004). In this document, Azov is assigned to the category of inland waters of Russia and Ukraine

        Taking into account that the Kerch Strait is now the inland waters of Russia, it is quite legitimate to require permission for EVERY passage of a ship flying the flag of Ukraine through it.
        1. Cristall
          Cristall 12 September 2014 11: 57
          +6
          Quote: andj61
          that the Kerch Strait is now the inland waters of Russia

          it doesn’t matter - the 2004 contract is not terminated. There is nothing new. It is possible to unilaterally terminate - but without a new one - the Russian Federation will be confronted with the fact of a violation of freedom of navigation.
          So here either a new one to write with Kiev (and here is Crimea and all the cases) or a face with a brick and a threat to navigation (fraught with a very much-extra trump card for Uncle Sam and sanctions), or leave everything as it is, which is what the Russian Federation is doing. Therefore, the Russian Federation will be nothing. to do neither with the ships of Ukraine nor with the Kerch Strait ... In general, the Russian Federation resembles a waiting one, when an overripe apple falls by itself .. the only question is whether this position of "waiting" is good
        2. aleks 62
          aleks 62 12 September 2014 14: 13
          +3
          ...... Misfortune in another .... The ship may be under a different flag and carry goods for Ukrov (freight) ....
      6. Fast
        Fast 14 September 2014 00: 38
        +1
        ... No, it’s not a matter of philanthropy, there are some kind of international laws on navigation ...

        What laws? They simply dragged the old battleship for re-melting, and he took it and drowned ...
    7. AbacUssR
      AbacUssR 12 September 2014 09: 33
      +5
      H.Z. Comrade Major, but the fact that the strait is in our hands is an indisputable and strategic fact. It is not formally possible to consider the Sea of ​​Azov as in the good old days - the inland sea. And Zhdanov? Zhdanov should be at least in the DPR.
    8. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 12 September 2014 10: 09
      +3
      But to inspect the cargo is highly desirable.
      1. kush62
        kush62 12 September 2014 12: 41
        +2
        Jurkovs
        But to inspect the cargo is highly desirable.


        But will customs give the go-ahead?
        That is the question.
    9. Cherdak
      Cherdak 12 September 2014 13: 57
      +12
      Quote: saag
      I think Russia will not block the Kerch Strait, out of philanthropy ...

      Shipping will be "temporarily" closed so as not to interfere with the construction of the bridge.
      Crimea must have its uninterrupted highway with the mainland ... from philanthropy hi
    10. Ulus5
      Ulus5 12 September 2014 18: 39
      +2
      Quote: saag
      I think Russia will not block the Kerch Strait, out of philanthropy ...

      Mariupolites, during the offensive of the army of New Russia, will themselves help to expel the junta from the city.
    11. atarix
      atarix 12 September 2014 23: 09
      0
      Quote: saag
      I think Russia will not block the Kerch Strait, out of philanthropy ...

      why block. they’ll put the bridge a little lower.
    12. oratai104
      oratai104 13 September 2014 23: 37
      0
      We feed our own, but we need to treat others. So out of philanthropy, you have to close the bay. THE PORT IS CLOSED TO THE QUARANTINE. Fascist rabies.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 14 September 2014 03: 04
        +4
        Still, Mariupol needed New Russia. With his release, another step will be taken towards the creation of a direct land road to the Crimea. A land-based Russian-Novorossiysk border will appear, thanks to which it will be possible to send humanitarian expeditions freely and beautifully from Crimea. And no ykra can prevent it!
    13. Nick
      Nick 14 September 2014 15: 19
      0
      Quote: saag
      I think Russia will not block the Kerch Strait, out of philanthropy ...

      Of course it won't. Why harm the Novorossiysk brothers ..? wink
    14. Azanov
      Azanov 14 September 2014 17: 57
      0
      So can give gas for free from philanthropy?
    15. Evgen klims
      Evgen klims 14 September 2014 21: 02
      0
      Quote: saag
      I think Russia will not block the Kerch Strait, out of philanthropy ...

      out of philanthropy you need to block!
    16. Vladimir K.
      Vladimir K. 15 September 2014 05: 54
      +1
      It’s not a matter of philanthropy (although I’m sure it is taken into account in the Kremlin), but that it will be a powerful excuse for an information war against Russia. But the inspection of ships in case of suspicion of transporting goods of dual or military purpose should be arranged with the confiscation of these upon detection - here let them yell as much as they want.
  2. moremansf
    moremansf 12 September 2014 08: 42
    +10
    Everything will depend on the further development of events in Ukraine ... while the city is being prepared for defense and it is not just that Poroshenko was in Mariupol ... no one will give up this city just like that, unfortunately blood will still be shed for it ... the United States and Europe will not will calm down ... today the next sanctions are introduced against Russia ... so this is not the last part of the "Marlison Ballet" !!!
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 12 September 2014 08: 45
      +6
      Quote: moremansf
      .so this is not the last part of the "Marlyson Ballet" !!!

      This is a prelude, I think, within six months everything will be clear.
      1. serega.fedotov
        serega.fedotov 12 September 2014 10: 16
        +8
        Quote: Vladimirets
        This is a prelude, I think, within six months everything will be clear.

        I agree with you, we see only the tip of the iceberg, and pony guess what it is!
        Objectively, despite the talk about the drain of the militia and other "white tape" turbidity, Ukraine is moving with huge leaps WHERE RUSSIA IS NECESSARY!
        So why do we need to fight, and in general OFFICIAL and OPEN fuss? They themselves in Kiev will shoot each other a little bit, then the dill will get a little hungry
        it will freeze, and then fall apart!
        But Russia has nothing to do with it, we just stood next to it!
        And the funny thing is, they will pay for this the USA and Europe!
        1. izGOI
          izGOI 14 September 2014 00: 01
          +3
          Quote: serega.fedotov
          And the funny thing is, they will pay for this the USA and Europe!

          But neither one nor the other will pay. The collapsed Ruin and the bombed Novorossiya will hang on Russia. This is the US backup plan. If it is not possible to have a pro-American "nezalezhnaya" at the side of Russia, then it is necessary to inflict maximum harm, let Russia restore. Those. slows down its development. And the adversary will continue to harm. And not only sanctions, but also support zombified ukrov and ideological Bandera.
          Of course, in the long run, Russia plus New Russia is a revival of the power of the USSR, but the Americans do not look into this distance. They would only shit today, but about tomorrow, they will think tomorrow.
      2. RONIN-HS
        RONIN-HS 12 September 2014 16: 49
        +3
        Earlier.
        Definitely, this fall will determine everything.
  3. Uncle Fedor
    Uncle Fedor 12 September 2014 08: 45
    -15
    Before writing soap bubbles, it would not hurt the author to think about anything, to start with thinking: what the hell is this scribble?
    1. explorer
      explorer 12 September 2014 09: 56
      +6
      This is a troll. 14 comments in 3 hours.
      Do not waste time on it. hi
    2. andj61
      andj61 12 September 2014 10: 07
      +4
      Quote: Uncle Fedor
      Before writing soap bubbles, it would not hurt the author to think about anything, to start with thinking: what the hell is this scribble?

      As they say, do not like it - do not eat. I think you can find a more interesting article at VO.
  4. Evgen4ik
    Evgen4ik 12 September 2014 08: 47
    +1
    The time will come and they will throw everything. The government does not need Ukraine. They need only a few areas and constant hysteria in order to receive money from sponsors.
  5. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 12 September 2014 08: 50
    +23
    In Mariupol, pro-Russian sentiments have always been strong, in contrast to the neighboring Russian-speaking but liberal Berdyansk (mini-Odessa with its bargaining and resort consumerism). Why did the uprising drown in Mariupol in spring / summer? The reason is simple, the working class was on a leash by the owner Akhmetov and Taruta. Two metallurgical giants Azovstal and the plant them. Ilyich in private hands. But this was not always the case even in modern Ukraine. Until 2010 year, the plant them. Ilyich was in state subordination. And its director, the red director, Boyko, had the floor and authority, all of some 4 years were shared by relatively independent proletarian thinking. And everything could be different. And so the city was intimidated, who should be arrested, and who was even killed. If the army of Novorossia after Mariupol moves to Berdyansk, I recommend avoiding it, in order to avoid unnecessary losses, they themselves will crawl on their knees to give up when they have weakened the liberal illusion that the cottage for vacationers by the sea is stronger than the industrial potential of the country, which was sacrificed associations with the EU. They forgot the economic geography and the food chain. And then I communicate in PM with Berdyansk, they say Stalingrad is preparing to arrange for the Russian invaders. Although they themselves speak Russian and have Russian surnames. bully
  6. Number 17
    Number 17 12 September 2014 08: 52
    +10
    My opinion and the opinion of my father. Mariupol will be taken by the forces of New Russia. We will see a unique operation on landing a naval landing of New Russia. So we see the outcome of the confrontation. Mariupol needed New Russia and he will be with her. Shooters did not go to Moscow for nothing. 100500% received new introductory and intelligence data on the state of the forces of dill. They also promised to throw something else.
    1. Matrosov
      Matrosov 12 September 2014 09: 28
      +5
      I'm afraid the data that Strelkov could get is not very encouraging. They are strengthening Mariupol, the militia has not so much strength, the boilers that were before that could be said in the open field, there is a large city, port, airfield, and geographical obstacles. Now it will be more important not to capture Mariupol, but to break new junta reinforcements into the trash. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will have no strength, Novorossia will live, there will be an opportunity to break through the defenses to go behind and then the remnants will run again, only now to the Dnieper. The capture of Mariupol would be a great victory, but unfortunately there was no strength for it and there was not enough time.
      1. AbacUssR
        AbacUssR 12 September 2014 09: 36
        +4
        In fact, sea cities can be taken not only from land. And the fact that there are options for taking the city from the sea by the "DNR" special forces seems to be a reality ...
        1. andj61
          andj61 12 September 2014 10: 12
          +4
          Both by sea and by land. There is no solid front line there; DRGs leak relatively freely. Only the task is difficult - you must not allow the destruction of your city.
    2. Cristall
      Cristall 12 September 2014 12: 00
      +1
      Quote: number 17
      We will see a unique operation to land a naval landing in New Russia.

      hmm ... where did the militia get the landing gear? Yes, this is all nonsense ... if the population is loyally landed. If not, the whole operation is meaningless.
  7. Carlos
    Carlos 12 September 2014 08: 53
    +7
    Winter will clarify and draw many unexpected boundaries on the outskirts.
  8. pronindacha
    pronindacha 12 September 2014 08: 53
    +3
    It is written for Ukrainians. Ops to think and do not have to jerk pens about.
  9. Igarr
    Igarr 12 September 2014 08: 54
    +9
    I will support Uncle Fedor.
    From which hangover Russia will block the Kerch Strait? And for what? If only on pilotage dribble dripping money.
    Given the construction of the bridge, problems will begin there. We will have to not only attract the Chinese, but also other specialists in maritime construction.
    And here we are - bang - a close.
    Recklessly, like kakbe ...
    .
    It begs a very logical move - wring Odessa and Nikolaev.
    Dill soon will not be at all to the seas, shipping and shipbuilding.
    They probably will soon have nothing to do at all.
    Drunk President in Mariupol .... drain the water, Kraina.
  10. Dbnfkmtdbx
    Dbnfkmtdbx 12 September 2014 08: 55
    +2
    What kind of philanthropy for fascists do you smoke
    1. saag
      saag 12 September 2014 09: 27
      +2
      Quote: Dbnfkmtdbx
      What kind of philanthropy for fascists do you smoke

      And the truce with the Nazis is that then, and who then smokes the question?
  11. Old shoe
    Old shoe 12 September 2014 08: 55
    +2
    Blocking the port of Mariupol ... Why do we need this ??? Strategic dividends - a minimum (yes, no, practically), but the stench will be for the whole world and we will establish ourselves as an "evil empire". It is clear that we will not be good for geyropes and others like them, but why give extra trump cards for their propaganda - we need it? Yes, and it would be why ... Something the author's fantasies were played out in earnest :)
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 September 2014 08: 57
    +6
    As a result of the outbreak in Novorossia, dill will not only be unable to keep Mariupol, but also Kharkiv and Zaporozhye. If they so "piled" on dill with a power ratio of 1: 2, then how much have they added now? According to personal correspondence, trenches are being dug near Zaporozhye!
  13. bmv04636
    bmv04636 12 September 2014 08: 57
    +2
    If we take into account that Mariupol (its enterprises) mainly work for Russia.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 12 September 2014 09: 12
      +10
      And yes, and "not quite", Maxim.
      Mariupol is Azovstal. But Russia has enough of its own enterprises.
      Mariupol is first of all a PORT. But it is of minor importance in exports to Russia
      If you block the port, Kiev will negotiate with Donbass on coal. If you take the city - Novorossia will receive weapons (?).

      What is so important for the situation in Ukraine and Novorossiya Mariupol? Mariupol is a port to which ships of the sea class can approach and both export cargo can be loaded, and import cargo can be unloaded. For example, one of the largest coal terminals is located there, which allows Kiev to organize the logistics of imported steam coal in case it does not solve the issue of coal supply for its TPPs with the Donbass (and, most likely, does not solve it, since the military operations are ongoing all deliveries stopped). The question of coal has already risen an edge for Kiev. According to the most approximate and minimal estimates, for the winter he needs a million tons of coal, and maybe even reach 7 million tons of coal. Such a volume can be delivered to Ukraine in only two ways, either from Russia, which is impossible now for obvious reasons, or by sea. This is because the Ukrainian gauge of the railway track is a copy of the Russian gauge (1553 mm), and the European gauge is narrower, so even the delivery of such an amount of fuel from Poland is very difficult. Just imagine how many train echelons are needed if one train is 3 thousand tons? About two thousand echelons need to be launched. Naturally, with such volumes of supply, the gauge problem cannot be solved.

      Mariupol port is so important for KIEV- This is the export of metal and metal structures. This is the business of the oligarchs, and it is precisely for its support that the six oligarchs - PromezhLyashko - are spinning all the time in Mariupol.
      Even the "Gutters" himself honored the city - to plump there and come out with a glass gaze.
      And that is why there were all past events with executions of civilians - the oligarchs are panicky afraid of losing Mariupol.

      What is Mariupol for Donbass? This is the only export port through which foreign economic activity can be carried out. For example, it is also the shipment of coal, metal and other products. Export!
      In addition, the Mariupol port is very convenient for the supply of weapons. The supply of weapons through the port is attractive in that there is no need to "shine" the supplier, because a Liberian ship, or a ship from Abkhazia, or South Ossetia can arrive with weapons.

      Even if you do not take Mariupol, and at least block the port until it is impossible to operate, this creates tension in the logistics of Ukrainian energy. After the blockade of the port, Ukraine will simply be forced to start negotiations with the Donbass.
      1. kush62
        kush62 12 September 2014 12: 58
        +3
        This is because the Ukrainian gauge of the railway track is a copy of the Russian gauge (1553 mm), and the European gauge is narrower, so even the delivery of such an amount of fuel from Poland is very difficult.

        The width of the railway track is 1520 mm. Otherwise, you are right.
      2. RONIN-HS
        RONIN-HS 12 September 2014 17: 00
        +1
        ... Ukraine will simply be forced to start negotiations with the Donbass ...

        Yes, they will never negotiate with the Donbass and Moscow.
        Uncle Sam has other tasks: to start a war and maintain fire so that the Slavs burn in it.
        When the opposing side is not looking for peace, all persuasion is only on the battlefield.
        Such assumptions as the hope of a schoolgirl - "... the pregnancy may resolve ..." what
  14. DMB-75
    DMB-75 12 September 2014 08: 59
    +15
    Mariupol has never been dill, and never will, read the story of who lived there, who lives and who will live there, but the important thing is it will never be Bandera: negative
    1. michelle
      michelle 14 September 2014 16: 26
      0
      Good picture! And most importantly the TRUTH !!! winked
  15. Starmos
    Starmos 12 September 2014 09: 01
    +2
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    And then I communicate in PM with Berdyansk, they say Stalingrad is preparing to arrange for the Russian invaders. Although they themselves speak Russian and have Russian surnames.

    These are not Russians. This is uk.ro. zombie.
  16. parusnik
    parusnik 12 September 2014 09: 03
    +6
    That's right ... I’ll add that Mariupol is the only port in Ukraine that can accept coal ... The remaining ports of Odessa, Nikolaev ... are not suitable for this ..
    1. andj61
      andj61 12 September 2014 10: 21
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      That's right ... I’ll add that Mariupol is the only port in Ukraine that can accept coal ... The remaining ports of Odessa, Nikolaev ... are not suitable for this ..

      Ukrainians announced that Ilyichevsk and Yuzhny (both Odessa region) are ready to accept coal. Mariupol did not accept coal, but shipped it - there would be the same problems as in other ports. But in principle, build a flyover for conveyor loading in the railway the trains will not take much time - ships with coal from Yu.Afrika will not even have time to approach. I wonder only where they got the money for this coal? It would not be cheaper to take it in the Donbass, because a significant part of the coal-mining areas is still under the power of the junta. But they don’t even want to restore anything - apparently, they don’t hope to hold on for a long time.
    2. Zolotse
      Zolotse 12 September 2014 10: 46
      +1
      It’s not true that Odessa has a coal harbor, that's how much% they use it now I don’t know
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 12 September 2014 12: 04
        +2
        Quote: Zolotse
        Odessa has a coal harbor, that's how much

        In January-March of this year, the ports of Greater Odessa handled 14,9 million tons of export cargo (61,1 percent of all exports), import - 2,3 million tons (63,9% of all imports), transit - 4,8 million tons (72,7% of Ukraine's transit).
        . Including transshipment of ore amounted to 5,56 million tons (-4,1%), coal - 1,12 million tons (-1,2%), coke - 0,19 million tons (+ 32,9%)
        we conclude that it is possibly coke that will increase + coal itself.
        Odessa itself accepts little coal ... but the newest terminals of the Yuzhny - this is where Coal will grow. However, all this is "Big Odessa"
    3. Ptah
      Ptah 12 September 2014 12: 52
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      Mariupol is the only port in Ukraine that can accept coal ... Other ports in Odessa, Nikolaev ... are not suitable for this ..

      Sorry, but this is complete ignorance of the essence of the matter.
      Himself, until recently, thought the same ...
      Bulk (at the level of 1 mln t / g and more) and efficient coal shipment is carried out in Ukraine by the ports of Yuzhny (36,6% of the total coal shipment in 2004), Mariupol (30,8%), Izmail (11,8%) and Kerch (6,4% ) Powerful terminals (operating, by the way, at the limit of their capabilities) have only Mariupol and Yuzhny. Unloading of large-capacity bulk carriers with coking coals for domestic metallurgy is possible almost exclusively in the South. This situation led to the development of projects for the construction of coal terminals in the port of Yuzhny and in the Northern Bay of Sevastopol (IC Avlita)

      Of course, infa is very outdated. Maybe that’s what has changed in terms of changing port capabilities, who still remained with Ukraine.

      Hence the main conclusion - Mariupol is crucial for coal reception, BUT NOT THE ONLY port ...

      http://portsukraine.com/node/1009
  17. LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 12 September 2014 09: 04
    +5
    Quote: Uncle Fedor
    Before writing soap bubbles, it would not hurt the author to think about anything, to start with thinking: what the hell is this scribble?

    Uncle Fedor, wrong you eat a sandwich
  18. Dobrov
    Dobrov 12 September 2014 09: 13
    +10
    Marmupol, Mariupol, Mariupol ..... It has always been a Russian land. You don't even have to try, analyze something. It's time for Mariupol to come to its native shores and hug all the relatives. Zapadians in Ukraine think that these richest lands on Azov, which they got during the civil war "for a sniff of tobacco", will still belong to them? No, no, no, and a hundred million more times no !!!!
    1. Frisbee
      Frisbee 12 September 2014 11: 04
      -10
      Something like this: Kaliningrad, Koenigsberg, Koenigsberg ... It has always been German land. Further down the text! bully
      1. kush62
        kush62 12 September 2014 13: 01
        0
        Something like this: Kaliningrad, Koenigsberg, Koenigsberg ... It has always been German land. Further down the text!

        But then Adolfik also wanted Russian cities. As a result, Kaliningrad ...
        And in Mariupol, wait a little mister (pan or sir) Frisbee
        and history will put everything in its place.
        1. Frisbee
          Frisbee 12 September 2014 14: 56
          -2
          That's it! History will put everything in its place6 Crimea- Ukraine, Kaliningrad-Germany, Kuril Islands -Japan laughing
      2. Ptah
        Ptah 12 September 2014 13: 10
        +6
        Sorry, dear!
        But this is not even an argument, but the throwing of a dried dung through the wattle fence.
        And here we are - "Lviv - Lemberg". Who will we "return" to?
        They say that someone already has documents for the reparation of property and lands of Ukraine ... And this is not with the Russian "owners" ...

        Do not deign to "poke your finger" into Ukraine on these maps ...
        11

        22



        Morality. Tie up with "svidomlyatstvo" - and everything will be normal for us. We will live, and we will send someone (by joint efforts) in the snout. And it won't be flip-flop gas. good drinks
      3. RONIN-HS
        RONIN-HS 12 September 2014 17: 06
        +3
        ... Kaliningrad, Koenigsberg, Koenigsberg ... It has always been German land. Further down the text ..

        The winners write the story. And then ... in the text. It is necessary - do not attack at first, but if the ogreb - then sit and don’t * woo! angry
  19. wladimir
    wladimir 12 September 2014 09: 19
    +6
    Igor Strelkov’s performance only strengthened my opinion — to make a blockade, take Mariupol, they decide not in Novorossia and the Kremlin or Kiev. Decide in the USA. the fifth column will make those decisions that are beneficial to the owners
  20. mihasik
    mihasik 12 September 2014 09: 23
    +5
    And vague doubts torment me. If Mariupol is completely blocked by the militia (as they shouted on all channels), then how did Poroshenko get with his retinue and how do the fresh units of the APU get there?
    1. Frisbee
      Frisbee 12 September 2014 11: 06
      -1
      This means the channels that shouted "deserve" high trust. hi
    2. Ptah
      Ptah 12 September 2014 13: 50
      +2
      Quote: mihasik
      Mariupol is completely blocked by the militia (as they shouted on all channels)

      It was never "COMPLETELY" blocked, but only from the east did the DPR troops reach the outskirts of the city (but did not fire from the TA).
      Numerous posts were advanced even beyond the borders of the Zaporizhzhya region, but the E58 highway to Berdyansk was always controlled by the junters.
      Now the situation is much sadder than a week ago. There is a serious danger of encirclement of the fighters of New Russia in the villages of Starodubovka, Pervomaiskoye, Granitnoye, Maloyanisol and others ...
      The juntari occupied Novo- and Starolaspa. They are preparing a strike on Telmanovo in order to block the route to the border with the Russian Federation.
  21. Orik
    Orik 12 September 2014 09: 24
    +2
    They will not be able to transport coal from Australia, but the main thing in Mariupol is not a port, at least learn to collect information a little before writing an article.
    The leading industry is ferrous metallurgy. Its share in citywide industrial production is 79,4%. In 2003, pig iron smelting - 9,367 million tons, steel production - 11,83 million tons, coke of 6% humidity - 2,276 million tons.
    Yes, and gun barrels are doing there ...
  22. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 12 September 2014 09: 35
    +8
    These things are going ...
    National Geographic prepares Americans for the emergence of New Russia

    On September 6, the website of the American publication National Geographic published the material “A ceasefire continues in Ukraine, but territorial issues remain” (A Cease-fire Takes Hold in Ukraine as Territorial Questions Linger).

    The material is illustrated by a map of modern Ukraine, on which you can see that part of the territory is separated and named Novorossia, according to National Geographic Ukraine on its Facebook page.
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  23. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 12 September 2014 09: 59
    +6
    That's right, Mariupol is the key to ending the civil war and the collapse of the Kiev junta. Here are NATO ships "wandering" in the Black Sea, and if the Crimea and the Kerch Strait were Ukropov's, then where would they moor? That's why gentlemen "humanists", Western humanism does not apply to us and to Novorossia, based on their policy, everything must be done so that Mariupol becomes part of Donbass again, and there the rest will "catch up" (Kharkiv, Nikolaev, Kherson, Odessa and further down the list)!
  24. Ronino
    Ronino 12 September 2014 10: 00
    +6
    Petyunya came to Mariupol in the ass drunk, because a sober would never have stepped there.
    I propose to consider his trip as farewell to the Southeast!
    1. kush62
      kush62 12 September 2014 13: 04
      +3
      Ronino

      Petyunya came to Mariupol in the ass drunk, because a sober would never have stepped there.
      I propose to consider his trip as farewell to the Southeast!

      This is how much you need to drink to get so bored?
  25. teacher
    teacher 12 September 2014 10: 25
    +5
    По поводу Мариуполя - порт важен. Металлургия без привязки к сырью (железная руда не на территории Донбасса) - мертва. Это кстати использовали для устранения Бойко от руководства з-дом Ильича. Находясь в Бердянске волею судеб почти все лето, и общаясь с местным населением, можно говорить о следующих фактах. В июне-начале июля были определенные панические настроения "отдыхающих нет - сезон провальный" (по данным местных около трети отдыхающих в предыдущих сезонах были россияне - причем наиболее платежеспособные). С середины июля - "наплыв донецких и луганских" - цены на жилье вверх и "ура -патриотические" настроения на подьеме. При этом - достаточное количество людей возмущающихся "донецкими" - мол все беды от них ("понаехали" -очереди везде, цены на рынке возросли, воевать за "неньку" не хотят и т.д. - причем весь этот бред на чистом русском языке). Люди из сельских районов - заняты хозяйством, возят продукцию на рынок- живут обычной жизнью. Те, кто по-прозорливей - запасаются углем и дровами, чистят старые печки и камины и думают, что будут делать в следующем сезоне - куда везти С/х продукцию (до этого основные рынки сбыта Мариуполь, побережье (отдыхающие), Донецк, север Донецкой и Луганская области. Но это - единицы. Остальная масса - "ура! мы ломим, гнутся шведы ("сепары")". После побед Новороссии, а особенно наступления на Мариуполь - резко поубавилось флажков на машинах. Такие вот факты.
    Yes, here's another - grain is exported at a crazy pace - the roads to the port are literally dotted with them.
  26. Signature
    Signature 12 September 2014 10: 35
    +4
    Who the Mariupol residents would like to live with, they have already "voiced" twice: when they stopped tanks with their bare hands and when - on the day of the referendum - thousands and many hours of queues voted in ... four (?! If I don't confuse anything) polling stations of half a million (!! ) Mariupol.
    True, it is one thing to express your sincere and cherished desire, but it is quite another to stay in the city, which, very likely, is preparing to repeat the fate of many and many "cities and towns" of the Ukrainian East that have been practically destroyed.
    Besides: is it easy to believe the "wavering" Mariupol residents that now they will definitely not be betrayed and left?
  27. EvilLion
    EvilLion 12 September 2014 10: 57
    +5
    Excuse me, what is Ukraine? In my opinion this is something indecent.
  28. delorian
    delorian 12 September 2014 11: 05
    -5
    ..... All because the Ukrainian gauge of the railway track is a copy of the Russian gauge (1553 mm), and the European gauge is narrower, so even the delivery of such an amount of fuel from Poland is very difficult.

    Dear Bombardier, Poland should have our track as it was built in the Russian Empire, but otherwise I completely agree with you
    hi
    1. kush62
      kush62 12 September 2014 13: 07
      +2
      ..... All because the Ukrainian gauge of the railway track is a copy of the Russian gauge (1553 mm), and the European gauge is narrower, so even the delivery of such an amount of fuel from Poland is very difficult.

      delorian
      Dear Bombardier, Poland should have our track as it was built in the Russian Empire, but otherwise I completely agree with you

      I have already made an amendment. We have a track of 1520mm
    2. djtyysq
      djtyysq 12 September 2014 14: 36
      +3
      [
      Dear Bombardier, Poland should have our track as it was built in the Russian Empire, but otherwise I completely agree with you
      hi[/ Quote]

      Track in Russia is 1520 mm, in Poland - 1435 mm (When following to Poland, the wheelset is rearranged to the station, Brest)
  29. bmv04636
    bmv04636 12 September 2014 11: 20
    +3
    With the unification of Germany, the Germans from the GDR turned out to be second-class people and only before the crisis of 2008 did the situation begin to improve. So in Ukraine, for Western zapadenskim Vremennikov Southeast quilted jackets have always been second even third grade.
    In the southeast, they understand who will pay for IMF loans and do not want to become extreme
  30. Rarahin
    Rarahin 12 September 2014 11: 21
    +4
    Without Mariupol and its port, Ukrainians will not be able to carry a piece of coal from South Africa, for which, according to rumors, the advance payment has already been paid ...
  31. Russian Uzbek
    Russian Uzbek 12 September 2014 11: 37
    +3
    yes ... and how much shit was at one time because of the partition of the Kerch Strait! how the Trypillians were shitting, how they stuffed the price (straight "Sorochinskaya Fair";)), what proud and loud words they uttered!
    how interesting now, after all going to agree?
  32. NBN
    NBN 12 September 2014 11: 57
    +4
    Quote: saag
    I think Russia will not block the Kerch Strait, out of philanthropy ...

    It is out of philanthropy that the strait must be closed. Otherwise, many people will die and suffer even more.
  33. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 12 September 2014 12: 22
    +3
    Lost or not? The only person on earth who can answer this question is the head of the Russian state. If it is, Mariupol will be ours in one day.
    1. Frisbee
      Frisbee 12 September 2014 12: 30
      -2
      Someone spoke in a similar manner: "Yes, we will take Grozny in one regiment" fool
      1. Drednout
        Drednout 12 September 2014 12: 55
        +4
        Quote: Frisbee
        Someone spoke in a similar manner: "Yes, we will take Grozny in one regiment" fool

        Let's leave the Mercedes Pasha "alone. After the first Chechen war, we learned a lot. The result is our Grozny without regiments, companies, divisions at all. Security there is higher than in Europe.
        No one claims that our past leadership (and even the present) is absolutely sinless.
        Someone recently promised a parade in Sevastopol. I don’t know how in Sevastopol, but in Donetsk the parade turned out.
        1. saag
          saag 12 September 2014 13: 31
          -2
          Quote: Drednout
          Safety there is higher than in Europe

          slaves there no longer use?
  34. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 12 September 2014 12: 29
    +3
    Under the conditions of such a blockade, Mariupol will turn for Ukraine into another burden, not bringing income, but requiring maintenance resources.

    But to understand this, one must have brains ...
  35. Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 12 September 2014 12: 36
    +7
    Quote: Frisbee
    Something like this: Kaliningrad, Koenigsberg, Koenigsberg ... It has always been German land. Further down the text! bully


    Actually, the historical name of my city is Kralev. And he is not German. Prussians lived here, and who are the Prussians? Western Slavs, later assimilated or exterminated by the Germans, who also belonged to the Slavic branch.
  36. Belarus
    Belarus 12 September 2014 13: 04
    +1
    In my opinion, the Russian Federation will not block vessels arriving at the port of Mariupol. At first in Mariupol there are many ordinary people (zombunuty people are not considered to blame themselves) who just want to live.
    Secondly if coal is former Ukraine and will purchase even on the Moon it will do so at its own expense and not the Russian Federation.
    Thirdly blocking the passage and the like will not look in the person of the notorious west and geyropa and as a result a strong and prolonged howl will rise (although the RF will not get used to it) whose consequences are unknown (do not underestimate their fucking sanctions)
    Ideally, it would be that the militia would take Mariupol and show goodwill wink and did not interfere with the unloading and loading of ships.
  37. goryacheff2013
    goryacheff2013 12 September 2014 13: 49
    +4
    Do you need to storm Mariupol? With all the costs of fighting in a big city? Isn’t it easier to take Berdyansk or block the rest of the coast of the Sea of ​​Azov to Perekop?
  38. s30461
    s30461 12 September 2014 14: 16
    +4
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: sscha
    Then, GDP will probably declare Ukraine a fascist state and introduce its sanctions against the junta. And such a scenario could take place.

    -----------------------
    After visiting the temple, before flying to Tajikistan, he told the journalist that he lit a candle for those who died in NEW RUSSIA, and not in the Lugansk and Donetsk regions ... I think that the reservation was not accidental and was a message for some ...

    Yes, I also noted this for myself. He was clearly preparing for this question and answered it a little with a delay, as if gathering his thoughts and clearly controlling his speech. It pleased. Dad does not throw words into the wind)))
  39. diz1975
    diz1975 12 September 2014 14: 20
    +1
    Quote: Roman1970
    Quote: saag
    Quote: Denis
    It depends on how far Ukraine’s sanctions are going to go against Russia.

    It doesn't matter if Putin won't do this to look good in the eyes of his "partners"

    And here the question is complicated ... Putin is a smart and cunning politician, it can hardly be counted ...

    Putin is Putin. He accepted a morally demoralized, dying country that was defeated in the Caucasus. Putin not only suspended the fall of Russia into the abyss, he prepared Russia for the inevitable revival and rise. It is to the inevitable. They (the bourgeoisie) will not do anything to us.
  40. Magadan
    Magadan 12 September 2014 15: 45
    +7
    Not quite in the subject, but I can't wait to ask "nevvodilshchik" of all stripes: Have you watched Strelkov's interview? Well, did it come to you at last? So what about "America-wants-to-incite us?" They told you, it is good to yell at forums about "Russia should not send troops", no need to pour water on the mill of the 5th column! Well, what did Strelkov say? Who was right?
    Naive, damn it ... It strikes the inability of seemingly intelligent people to think soberly. Or do you, naive, still think that Russia has no internal, treacherous, powerful enemies? What we are not falling apart from the inside? What is EVERYTHING at stake in Novorossia now? Or maybe, in your opinion, Strelkov is lying? So where, excuse me, where are you and Strelkov ?!
    In general, once again, we are "hawks", "patriotic sentries" and "all-fighters" once again ask you to turn on your brains. And do not hawat the mantra about "America-wants-to-incite us" and other things, such as "the market-everything-will-regulate" nonsense, which you are being led like sheep since the times like the same as you elected EBNa for the 2nd term.
    Alas, I turned out to be right when I was proving to you ... back in May, back in May that Russia had to smash the dill from the air while they were sticking out near Slavyansk. Yes, I believe in Victory. But only if we finally see the light and the whole country will AGGRESSIVELY insist on one thing "Victory of Novorossiya at any cost"! It is necessary for those who are in our power the Patriot, to untie their hands, to provide all kinds of moral support in the defense of New Russia
    1. DMB-88
      DMB-88 12 September 2014 23: 03
      +2
      Quote: Magadan
      In general, once again, we are "hawks", "patriotic sentries" and "all-fighters" once again ask you to turn on your brains. And do not hawat the mantra about "America-wants-to-incite us" and other things, such as "the market-everything-will-regulate" nonsense, which you are being led like sheep since the times like the same as you elected EBNa for the 2nd term.


      It’s hard for people to understand the situation !!!
      and when it comes, they quickly change their shoes !!
  41. LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 12 September 2014 15: 56
    +1
    Quote: Frisbee
    That's it! History will put everything in its place6 Crimea- Ukraine, Kaliningrad-Germany, Kuril Islands -Japan laughing

    your thoughts and Ukraine has never been
  42. lonovila
    lonovila 12 September 2014 17: 36
    +3
    -Mariupol for Novorossiya is the "skin of an unkilled bear" ...
    -And such "bears" in Novorossia are almost half of the entire territory of Novorossia, which is occupied by dill ... -Yes, both Lugansk and Donetsk (the airport has not been released) are in a rather "unstable position" ... -And probably the main task of the militia today there is a problem - how to adequately "accept" another blow from the Ukropov army and withstand ... - There, they managed to arm themselves with new tanks and received other new weapons .., formed new military units .., and command the dill, most likely , now there will be American commanders ...
    -And now all this Ukropov armada will try to launch an offensive in several directions, with one blow and decide the outcome of this whole war ... -And they have very real reasons for this ...
    - So, there’s nothing to talk about ... how to storm Mariupol ...
    -Maybe it will be necessary to remove the entire "siege" from this city and throw it to the aid of the militia, when the dill will start an offensive again ...
  43. santush
    santush 12 September 2014 18: 35
    +5
    Mariupol is not only a port (as they used to say: the sea gates of Donbass), but also metallurgical giants named after Ilyich and Azovstal, machine-building Azovmash (now knocked down and practically not working), a coke and chemical plant. that the residents of Mariupol need to decide where to live. So, on May 11, 2014 we made our choice: 85% voted for the DPR. This is a fact! And the fact that there are some rallies in Mariupol, do not forget that people the owners of the factories are forcibly collected there. Poroshenko recently came to us and told us how he loves Mariupol people. Whoever does not, he will remember that this scoundrel, having closed the Mariupol confectionery factory, left hundreds of people without a livelihood! Glory to Novorossiya !!!
  44. special
    special 12 September 2014 21: 53
    0
    Quote: vem
    Do you even understand why Russia devalues ​​the ruble? By the end of the year should be 37.7 rubles / dollar!
    Briefly: having a huge foreign trade surplus in the region of $ 190 billion, it is beneficial for Russia to devalue the ruble to a double inflation level of up to 14%. The budget will have a surplus of at least 7%, and corporate investment portfolios will increase significantly

    And in Russian?
  45. user
    user 12 September 2014 22: 00
    +8
    I live in Mariupol, in general, the overwhelming majority is for the militia, attendance at all sorts of rallies is most often "voluntary-compulsory", even when the weather deteriorated in the east and the "hail" fell, I did not notice the negative towards the militia, roughly speaking we are waiting for us ...
    ...in outline ...
    1. bratchanin
      bratchanin 14 September 2014 14: 07
      +1
      But why wait? It is necessary to help the militias to free the city.
  46. 1goose3
    1goose3 12 September 2014 22: 49
    +2
    The situation is serious, but the analogy with a joke suggests itself.
    Vasya you guess in which hand the bottle, we drink. Do not guess, quit. ... in the left, think Vasya, think!
  47. bbss
    bbss 13 September 2014 01: 25
    +4
    Friends write from Mariupol that they are terribly afraid of fighting in the city. I feel sorry for them. They write that several defense lines have already been set up and the troops have already been taken up. Immediately it was necessary to take the city! When the army was running, losing pants.
  48. brdnxela
    brdnxela 13 September 2014 14: 16
    0
    Mariupol-Dnepropetrovsk-Kuev. Give it!
  49. brdnxela
    brdnxela 13 September 2014 14: 40
    -1
    Mariupol-Dnepropetrovsk-Kuev. Give it!
  50. Simonov
    Simonov 13 September 2014 19: 23
    +3
    The solution to all problems for the same money!
    1. aba
      aba 14 September 2014 14: 44
      +3
      The solution to all problems for the same money!
      No, this will upset the established natural ecological balance.