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Turkey refuses US support for military operation against Islamic State

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The US administration continues to attempt to put together a coalition in the upcoming military confrontation with the militants of the so-called Islamic State. In this case, the States themselves declare that they are not going to use their soldiers in a military operation. The emphasis is placed on actually forcing to confront the Islamic State of Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, Turkey and other states of the region.

The first refused to participate in the adventure imposed by the Americans, Turkey. Agency France Presse, citing a source in the Turkish government, states that Ankara is not only not going to participate in the military operation, but will not even provide aviation the country's bases for military aircraft of states about to attack IS fighters from the air. At the same time, Turkey says that they can rely on it only if it comes to humanitarian operations - the delivery of food and medicine, solving the situation with refugees, etc.

If we consider that Turkey is a member of the North Atlantic Alliance, then Ankara’s refusal to participate in the military operation developed in Washington is a significant blow to the image of the United States in NATO.

Turkey refuses US support for military operation against Islamic State


Turkey’s step is also an attempt to declare its readiness to make decisions independently, and not only be guided by the advice and ideas of Washington. In a number of Western analytical publications, the refusal of Turkey was attributed to the fact that Ankara allegedly supports the activities of the Islamic State.
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  1. MIV999
    MIV999 11 September 2014 16: 02
    +39
    Common sense worked ... It’s all the same to Amer ... But Turkey is quarreling with its neighbors - nothing at all ...
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 11 September 2014 16: 04
      +24
      Well done Turks, keep it up! good I am glad that there are countries within NATO that are capable of pursuing a policy independent of Washington! wink
      1. VICTOR-61
        VICTOR-61 11 September 2014 16: 16
        +12
        Correctly strong-willed Turkey I respect such -resists the mattresses and does not bend as the Euro-ears are already at a loss ready to worship the Amer’s monkey
        1. the polar
          the polar 11 September 2014 18: 09
          +7
          Erdogan remembers well who tried to stir up the "Turkish spring" before the elections. From whose embassy the instructions were sent.
          In addition, he was seriously trying to support Islamic militants in Syria.
          1. severniy
            severniy 11 September 2014 18: 23
            +7
            bolt to the granny !!!! it’s not in vain that we drove a denyuzhku to Turkish resorts smile ..., our faith is different, but the Black Sea is one .., however, we must be friends drinks .., even if they didn’t let strangers into the water area, so finally I would respect ... hi
            1. Miron64
              Miron64 12 September 2014 04: 30
              0
              In RUSSIA, faith does not mean much that Islam is somehow acting here. Erdorgan is just a smart guy!
        2. Rostov
          Rostov 11 September 2014 18: 42
          +3
          Quote: VICTOR-61
          Properly strong-willed turkey respect such


          And what should Turkey do? Americans arm the Kurds, and Turkey will help them in this?
        3. Duke
          Duke 11 September 2014 22: 39
          0
          MOSCOW, 10 Sep - RIA News. US President Barack Obama, contrary to his desire, could not enjoy playing golf during the holidays dedicated to Labor Day. Several major New York clubs denied the reserve to the American leader due to overcrowded fields. This news came to the press on Wednesday.
          Obama acknowledged golfing mistake after statement on Fowley's execution
          According to The Washington Post, club managers did not want to incur losses, "exchanging" the presence on the site of the rich and permanent members of the New York golf community for the sake of one president.
          At the same time, the publication notes that weekends dedicated to Labor Day are one of the most profitable days of the year for local golf clubs, the cost of membership in which may exceed 100 000 dollars.
          It is worth noting that the President of the United States is a big fan of golf. For his eleven-day vacation alone, Obama played at least eight parties, for which he was criticized by the military and Republican politicians, as he allowed himself entertainment immediately after the death of American journalist James Fowley at the hands of IS militants.
          Barack Obama later apologized, admitting that the game was inappropriate at that time.
        4. Past_ Crocodile
          Past_ Crocodile 12 September 2014 00: 28
          +3
          The spirit of the Turks is strong, especially when they are devoured from foreign armies.
          PS put the cons with the device.
          1. Miron64
            Miron64 12 September 2014 04: 32
            +1
            C'mon, I pissed! good
      2. Evgen4ik
        Evgen4ik 11 September 2014 16: 17
        0
        Well done Turks, keep it up! good I am glad that there are countries within NATO that are capable of pursuing a policy independent of Washington!

        Turks are generally handsome. They pursue an even more pragmatic policy than China, and they are not afraid of any sanctions. Russia will only become great when there is an alliance with Turkey. In general, all the bend then. And apparently the Turks are beginning to lean toward this.
        1. supertiger21
          supertiger21 11 September 2014 17: 20
          -3
          Quote: Evgen4ik
          Turks are generally handsome. They pursue an even more pragmatic policy than China, and they are not afraid of any sanctions. Russia will only become great when there is an alliance with Turkey. In general, all the bend then. And apparently the Turks are beginning to lean toward this.


          I support! The main thing is not to go too far with the excessive support of Armenia, so as not to spoil the developing relations with Turkey and Azerbaijan.
          1. vsoltan
            vsoltan 11 September 2014 17: 59
            +10
            supertiger

            Please ... you are wrong. Armenians are nothing at all - in Armenia, they don’t pose a threat to Turkey, the economy is running out of gas ... but the Armenian diaspora around the world is numerous and strong, almost like Jews .. I believe that Armenians should be protected ...
            1. supertiger21
              supertiger21 11 September 2014 18: 14
              +1
              Quote: vsoltan
              Please ... you are wrong. Armenians are nothing at all - in Armenia, they don’t pose a threat to Turkey, the economy is running out of gas ... but the Armenian diaspora around the world is numerous and strong, almost like Jews .. I believe that Armenians should be protected ...


              I can agree on something! Let’s say one thing. Namely Armenia, in particular Karabakh, is the main obstacle to strong Russian-Turkish and Russian-Azerbaijani relations. I’m not saying that we must break off relations with Armenia, but just change the attraction relatively more towards Turkey and Azerbaijan, as their presence as our political partners is very important. I simply state the idea that we need to be able to balance correctly. Putin (as I think) understands this all, and therefore he is moving closer to Erdogan and Aliyev.
              Yours! hi
              1. Miron64
                Miron64 12 September 2014 04: 39
                0
                And why does Azerbaijan take part in NATO exercises !?
        2. the polar
          the polar 11 September 2014 18: 13
          +7
          Quote: Evgen4ik
          Russia will only become great when there is an alliance with Turkey.

          Yeah, it’s even more profitable to enter into an alliance with extraterrestrial aliens, then surely everyone will fall asleep
        3. Past_ Crocodile
          Past_ Crocodile 12 September 2014 00: 30
          +2
          Mushrooms or weed? Strong rushing?
          PS Zabil for cons of announcements
      3. timurpl
        timurpl 11 September 2014 16: 35
        +7
        Quote: VICTOR-61
        Ankara is not only not going to participate in the military operation, but will not even provide the country's air bases

        Well this is what a rotation of the eternal satellite! Apparently calculating janissaries thought that it is better to be friends with Russia, because the Onishchenko’s business lives and thrives ... and it’s not even an hour that they will find any spirals in the sea!
        - Europe would still have to learn how to live on its own head ... the current was conveyed that the EU is still going to impose new sanctions on its ass!
        - For me, I laid the device on these sanctions ... for people born and raised on sanctions, finally immunity for this crap! Let the brainless podderzhdy rub them in !!!
      4. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 11 September 2014 17: 40
        +7
        Quote: supertiger21
        Well done Turks, keep it up! good I am glad that there are countries within NATO that are capable of pursuing a policy independent of Washington! wink

        This, of course, is all great, but with IG anyway something needs to be done. In this context, Turkey’s refusal plays into the hands of IS fanatics and contributes to their strengthening.
        To put it simply, this is a shot in the foot and a fair amount of "pig" to everyone who is threatened by IS, including Russia.
        So I don’t understand your enthusiasm, if USAM is not allowed to bomb the IS, sooner or later it will have to be done by YOU, moreover, it may already be in Turkey or Iran, and in the worst case scenario, in the former Soviet republics and the Caucasus. And fanatics will be much stronger and more dangerous by that time.
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 11 September 2014 18: 02
          +5
          Quote: And Us Rat
          Simply put - this is a shot in the foot and a fair amount of "pig" to all whom IS threatens

          But spread rot ISIS, contributing to the victory of the Kurds, albeit Iraqi, for Turkey anyway, that rinse a festering wound with urine and bandage with feces with feces.
          The Turks decided that the Kurds from the igil themselves figure it out.
        2. 0255
          0255 11 September 2014 18: 13
          +8
          Quote: And Us Rat
          This, of course, is all great, but with IG anyway something needs to be done. In this context, Turkey’s refusal plays into the hands of IS fanatics and contributes to their strengthening.
          To put it simply, this is a shot in the foot and a fair amount of "pig" to everyone who is threatened by IS, including Russia.
          So I don’t understand your enthusiasm, if USAM is not allowed to bomb the IS, sooner or later it will have to be done by YOU, moreover, it may already be in Turkey or Iran, and in the worst case scenario, in the former Soviet republics and the Caucasus. And fanatics will be much stronger and more dangerous by that time.

          I'm afraid that if the Americans start bombing ISIS, it will all boil down to carpet bombing with phosphorus and cluster bombs and drone shooting and strikes on everything that moves, as is already happening in Yemen, Afghanistan and Pakistan, which will further strengthen anti-American sentiment in the Middle East ... And there will be even more people willing to join ISIS. In Afghanistan, the United States has not improved since 2001. And many of Hussein's officers joined ISIS, dissatisfied with the bloody democratization of Iraq. So, as the "daughter of a Crimean officer" wrote, everything is not so simple here.
          Better think about how Israel will fight back from ISIS in the event of the overthrow of Assad - the radicals don’t like your country ...
          1. Egor65g
            Egor65g 11 September 2014 18: 26
            +2
            Et yes. Omerikonsam recently does not go to war.
          2. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 11 September 2014 19: 14
            0
            Quote: 0255
            Better think about how Israel will fight back from ISIS in the event of the overthrow of Assad - the radicals don’t like your country ...

            We are the last on whom they trample, they may be fanatics, but so far they are friends.
            They understand perfectly well that anyone who fights against Israel is a suicide bomber, they don't even have that many suicide bombers. First, she will deal with more "soft" targets - Iran, Saudi, Lebanon, and so on.

            Today we are much more concerned with the issue of protecting Jordan from the IS invasion and preventing the infiltration of thugs into Egypt.
            The irony of the situation is that we have to take "under the wing" countries that have repeatedly attacked us.
            1. 0255
              0255 11 September 2014 20: 51
              0
              Quote: And Us Rat
              We are the last on whom they trample, they may be fanatics, but so far they are friends.

              Where is it seen that a religious fanatic is friends with his head? I myself once almost became a religious fanatic of the sect, it’s good that I thought better of it in time. And those who did not change their minds and were imbued with religious sectarian ravings, they generally lose the ability to think - I also saw this myself, I know from my own experience. Do not hope that the fanatic has at least some kind of intelligence.
              Quote: And Us Rat
              They understand perfectly well that anyone who fights against Israel is a suicide bomber, they don't even have that many suicide bombers. First, she will deal with more "soft" targets - Iran, Saudi, Lebanon, and so on.

              Islamists are ready to die for Allah, they believe that after death they automatically go to heaven. Especially stupid can shoot to the last how they are attacked by a fighter, video from Syria:

              They see that the MiG-29 enters them and continues to shoot - where is the logic?
              I am wrong?
              Quote: And Us Rat
              Today we are much more concerned with the issue of protecting Jordan from the IS invasion and preventing the infiltration of thugs into Egypt.
              The irony of the situation is that we have to take "under the wing" countries that have repeatedly attacked us.

              So would be friends with Assad, and not bombed him.
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 11 September 2014 21: 40
                +2
                Quote: 0255
                Where is it seen that a religious fanatic is friends with his head? I myself once almost became a religious fanatic of the sect, it’s good that I thought better of it in time. And those who did not change their minds and were imbued with religious sectarian ravings, they generally lose the ability to think - I also saw this myself, I know from my own experience. Do not hope that the fanatic has at least some kind of intelligence.


                The fanatics do not, but their owners have. The owners of the religion of violet - they need power and wealth. Therefore, the owners will not send manpower for a meaningless slaughter that can benefit elsewhere. Maximum - send a couple of dozen to slaughter, for propaganda purposes, no more.

                Quote: 0255
                So would be friends with Assad, and not bombed him.

                Iran would rather strangle Assad itself than allow him with us, not just make friends, but simply start a dialogue. For the mullocrats, Hezbollah and the Syrians are cannon fodder in promoting Iranian geopolitical interests (including the fight against Israel, and for Hezbollah, war is generally the main source of income).
            2. Past_ Crocodile
              Past_ Crocodile 12 September 2014 00: 42
              0
              I would prefer an ally like Israel. Sorry unlikely ...
        3. supertiger21
          supertiger21 11 September 2014 18: 27
          +3
          Hello S.A.M!
          Quote: And Us Rat
          To put it simply, this is a shot in the foot and a fair amount of "pig" to everyone who is threatened by IS, including Russia.


          Well, we will not stand on ceremony with the bearded men. If Al-Baghdadi turns his attention to us, then let him remember the fate of his Caucasian relative Doku Umarov. There was also the same "jihadist". According to the latest data, Doku Umarov was finally eliminated this year.

          Quote: And Us Rat
          or Iran


          SAM Well, you know that the population of Iran is Shiites. I don't think it's worth reminding what "warm" relations the Shiites have with the Wahhabis. So, in the event of a hypothetical invasion of Iran, the radicals are automatically deprived of the main support (support of the population) ...


          Quote: And Us Rat
          in the former Soviet republics and the Caucasus. And fanatics will be much stronger and more dangerous by that time.


          There are practically no prerequisites for this at the moment. Reason one: our peoples of the North Caucasus do not support the radical ideas of jihadists. Well, bearded men from the forests, as well as a few among the people, do not count, these are either purchased (most of them are not indigenous) or youngsters (chronically healed by the Wahhabis). They cannot become the pillar of the "jihadist" movement.
          Terrorism will not pass! soldier
          1. Past_ Crocodile
            Past_ Crocodile 12 September 2014 00: 47
            +2
            You are not quite right. All Shiites are also in Azerbaijan, but Wahhabis are so strong that even an attempt by the authorities to ban them is simply sabotaged by the authorities. So that...
        4. Rostov
          Rostov 11 September 2014 18: 52
          +8
          The enthusiasm is also incomprehensible to me, and the point here is not that Turkey supports Russia in this matter. Turkey, as it were, problems with the Kurds have not disappeared, but here their mattresses (Kurds) are also arming.

          But I also don’t understand yours
          Quote: And Us Rat
          if USAM is not allowed to bomb the IS, then sooner or later you will have to do it


          And you? Or do you think it will blow?
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 11 September 2014 19: 24
            +1
            Quote: Rostov
            And you? Or do you think it will blow?

            I did not mention this, because the question is rhetorical. Sooner or later, we will have to hammer them already in an official manner. (Knowing our General Staff - special operations against the IS in Syria are already being conducted with a 99% probability, at least of intelligence.)
            1. Rostov
              Rostov 11 September 2014 20: 03
              +4
              Quote: And Us Rat
              I did not mention this, because the question is rhetorical.


              Well, if so, then I’m taking off my question, so to speak from the agenda.

              Quote: And Us Rat
              Sooner or later, we will have to hammer them in an official manner


              That's just the point, and not one to you. And what is characteristic - the moronic actions of the government by and large of just one country (although I think the islanders also did not stand aside) disentangles the rest of the world.
            2. 0255
              0255 11 September 2014 20: 59
              +2
              Quote: And Us Rat
              I did not mention this, because the question is rhetorical. Sooner or later, we will have to hammer them already in an official manner. (Knowing our General Staff - special operations against the IS in Syria are already being conducted with a 99% probability, at least of intelligence.)

              Yeah, Obama is already thinking about bombing ISIS positions in Syria without the demand of the UN and Assad - they are protecting their citizens. And they will bomb everything in a row, including schools, hospitals, positions of government troops.
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 11 September 2014 21: 50
                +2
                Quote: 0255
                Yeah, Obama is already thinking about bombing ISIS positions in Syria without the demand of the UN and Assad - they are protecting their citizens. And they will bomb everything in a row, including schools, hospitals, positions of government troops.


                The biased demonization of the enemy is just what dill is doing in Kiev, it’s unpleasant to see when they begin to become like it on this site.
                Yes, they are not angels, but neither are you. If you have opposite geopolitical interests, this does not divide you into "good and bad", because "propaganda for the plebs." Of course, your right to believe in it, but you shouldn't impose it on the neutral side - for us you are the same.

                I prefer a cold-blooded and unbiased analysis of the situation, in fact.
                1. 0255
                  0255 11 September 2014 22: 31
                  +2
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  The biased demonization of the enemy is just what dill is doing in Kiev, it’s unpleasant to see when they begin to become like it on this site.

                  And you give an example of what the United States did good. They wanted to attack the USSR as early as July 1, 1945, and then developed plans for an attack on our country. During World War II, German and Japanese cities with women and children were bombed - take Dresden as an example, an atomic bomb was used against Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They bombed Yugoslavia in 1944 for no reason. The USSR did not bomb residential areas. The Americans dropped more bombs on North Korea than were dropped in the entire Second World War. In Vietnam, chemical weapons were widely used, only Soviet aid helped the Vietnamese defeat the main "democrat". Sponsored the restructuring and collapse of the USSR, Chechen terrorists in Russia. In Yugoslavia in 1999, banned cluster bombs and bombs with depleted uranium were used. In Iraq, phosphorus bombs were used against civilians, now ISIS has appeared there without Hussein. In Afghanistan, they kill everyone in a row, the killed are declared terrorists, the mujahideen cry that under the USSR there were schools and hospitals, and NATO is stupidly bombing them from drones. They overthrew the "dictator" Gaddafi in Libya, under which gasoline was cheaper than water - now there is chaos, Islamists are in power. Syria is at war with western-backed militants. The Kiev junta, set by the states, is destroying the inhabitants of the South-East, and Poroshenko is legitimate for them. And here in Belarus they also want to put in power the same creatures as in Kiev now.
                  You can argue that there are crimes on the conscience of the Kremlin, such as sending troops to Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968, you will be right in some ways - but this is not comparable to what the United States did.
                  I do not demonize the United States, but say it as it is. You yourself, unlike some of your compatriots from the site, do not consider the United States to be good.
                  1. 0255
                    0255 11 September 2014 22: 44
                    +2
                    As for the dill, the "vatniki-occupants" have built factories, mines (which the junta is bombing now) and nuclear power plants (which may be damaged during the ATO). The inhabitants of Lvov were Polish slaves before they entered the Ukrainian SSR. The technique used by dill to destroy cities in the ATO is also Russian (not all, of course). And now they are yelling "m_skalyaku on gilyaku", "hto not skache that m_skal" and praise Bandera.


                    Do you think this is normal?
                  2. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 11 September 2014 22: 48
                    -1
                    Quote: 0255
                    And you give an example that the United States has done good. They wanted to attack the USSR already on July 1, 1945, and then developed plans for an attack on our country ...

                    And the USSR was developing plans to seize Europe, and what next? Let me remind you - Soviet tanks "for throwing to the English Channel", Western - "heavy and defensive"

                    I do not want to start this dispute, just today mattress makers are still learning the technique of "color revolutions" and support for radicals, which the KGB already possessed at the level of a master in the 60s.
                    If you stopped using such methods - I am for it with both hands, now it remains to force USA to stop following a bad example.

                    Py.Sy - I do not think anyone is good, politics is a dirty occupation, most of all I sympathize with the Chinese, for that matter, they are also not sugar but ... request
                  3. Past_ Crocodile
                    Past_ Crocodile 12 September 2014 00: 53
                    -1
                    Mujahideen - Mudhamedovo. That's who I do not regret, so it is slack.
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        5. Yeraz
          Yeraz 11 September 2014 20: 13
          +4
          Quote: And Us Rat
          In this context, Turkey’s refusal plays into the hands of IS fanatics and contributes to their strengthening.

          and this is the calculation.
          Quote: And Us Rat
          To put it simply, this is a shot in the foot and a fair amount of "pig" to everyone who is threatened by IS, including Russia.

          This shot is not in its own right. As you know, Turkey supports Iraqi Kurdistan, allowing them to sell their oil under certain conditions, BUT this does not mean that the Turks want too strong Kurdistan need an advantage in the form of IG. And that’s right. Kurds and the whole of Europe and the US support, which was often dissatisfied within the country, and right now the help has become open. So why should the Turks still participate in this?
        6. andj61
          andj61 11 September 2014 22: 13
          +2
          Quote: And Us Rat
          To put it simply, this is a shot in the foot and a fair amount of "pig" to everyone who is threatened by IS, including Russia.
          So I don’t understand your enthusiasm, if USAM is not allowed to bomb the IS, sooner or later it will have to be done by YOU, moreover, it may already be in Turkey or Iran, and in the worst case scenario, in the former Soviet republics and the Caucasus.

          I agree with you, but tell me whether the bombing can significantly weaken the militants of the IG. And how are Americans going to distinguish militants from peaceful? How is it in Afghanistan - loop at all suspicious?
          Turkey, however, fears not only the strengthening of the Kurds, while providing assistance to the United States, it threatens its own territory. At the same time, Erdogan understands that these bombings will not cause real damage to the Islamic State, but they can show a new direction of aggression - towards Turkey.
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 11 September 2014 22: 29
            0
            Quote: andj61
            I agree with you, but tell me whether the bombing can significantly weaken the militants of the IG.

            They can. For starters - at least burn all the trophy equipment that they grabbed.
        7. Past_ Crocodile
          Past_ Crocodile 12 September 2014 00: 38
          0
          It is a pity in Russia that few understand.
      5. Scoun
        Scoun 11 September 2014 18: 43
        +6
        Quote: supertiger21
        Well done Turks, keep it up!

        Quote: VICTOR-61
        Properly strong-willed turkey respect such

        Comrades, to be honest, I do not understand your optimism)))
        Let's remember that when the turmoil began in Syria, who helped the militants and shouted the loudest about the "bloody" Assad? correctly redJep Erdogan and in the US and with Israel, with all enlisted support.
        Let’s remember that most recently frostbitten militants captured Turkish diplomats
        Extremists broke into the diplomatic service building and took the consulate workers hostage. This is the second case in a daythat have passed since the extremists seized the Iraqi province of Ninewa. Yesterday, June 10, militants took 28 Turkish citizens hostage in the Mosul area.

        It seems to me that the reason for the refusal is something else, RedJep played with Islam and let's call it "Islamism", he also wanted to make Turkey out of a "secular" state, I can't even find the words well, let it be an Islamic state with Sharia norms and when he supported terrorists who rode and pearl in He spilled his gasoline on Syria and now he is simply afraid that the terrorists who have gained strength can send their guns to Turkey ... in general, I don’t think that RedJep went against the United States because of some of his rebellious views, he just realized that the United States would bomb and fly away from Turkey, and then he would be able to disentangle himself one by one against those whom he had cultivated.
        1. Egor65g
          Egor65g 11 September 2014 18: 51
          -1
          Well, let’s say Israel was silent laughing He only warned that he would stop any attempts to arm hezbollah
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 11 September 2014 19: 26
          +1
          Quote: Scoun
          RedJep played with Islam and let's call it "Islamism"

          As far as I can tell, the United States wanted to drag the Turks into a direct armed confrontation with Syria. But this did not happen - Turkey shouted, rebelled, held several noisy and insignificant shows ... After which she flatly refused to fight. After this, unrest began in Turkey itself - fools and bastards can be found everywhere.
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 11 September 2014 16: 05
      +19
      Maybe Turkey is thinking about how to get rid of the dictates of the United States, not for nothing that she asked to join the Customs Union.
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 11 September 2014 16: 10
        +11
        Quote: Giant thought
        Maybe Turkey is thinking about how to get rid of the dictates of the United States, not for nothing that she asked to join the Customs Union.


        I really hope that they “think.” Sometimes it seems to me that Erdogan should be an example in foreign policy for Merkel and Oland, since unlike the latter, he looks more at the interests of his state and does not look back at Obama.
        1. i80186
          i80186 11 September 2014 16: 24
          +12
          It would be nice if the Bosphorus was closed for the Americans. laughing
      2. iConst
        iConst 11 September 2014 17: 30
        +2
        I wonder if the Turks can be expelled from NATO? Having made friends with them, can you count on them being able to block a number of projects?

        I don’t know NATA’s charter. smile
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 11 September 2014 20: 16
          +3
          Quote: iConst
          I wonder if the Turks can be expelled from NATO?

          To expel the second largest army, which was at war, located in such a strategic region and, unlike others, is actively developing its military-industrial complex and military budget ... VLADILY !! A more lucky reason is needed.
      3. kenig1
        kenig1 11 September 2014 17: 31
        +4
        If you thought it would leave NATO. Reduce optimism, look at the map and everything will be in place. ISIS controls a large stretch of the border with Turkey. In Turkey, most Sunnis, like ISIS, a Sunni organization, how will the Turkish population react?
    3. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 11 September 2014 16: 36
      +7
      Lord! What are you enjoying ??? The fact that Turkey will not help the United States bomb, albeit its own, but still Islamists, it will, and in the future also the Caucasus and Russia, will come around!
      1. Egor65g
        Egor65g 11 September 2014 16: 51
        +3
        I agree, plus. Erdogan is trying to drag the country into a network of Islamists (
        1. supertiger21
          supertiger21 11 September 2014 17: 23
          +4
          Quote: Egor65G
          I agree, plus. Erdogan is trying to drag the country into a network of Islamists (


          I do not agree, minus negative ! I repeat the matter is not ISIS (this is just a cover for Turkey’s decision), the matter is Turkey’s unwillingness to follow the American policy.
          1. Egor65g
            Egor65g 11 September 2014 17: 27
            +5
            Come on, Erdogan looks into the mouth of both America and the European Union. And what about frostbite Doesn’t want to get in touch, clearly.
            1. Past_ Crocodile
              Past_ Crocodile 12 September 2014 01: 16
              0
              Yes
              Quote: VICTOR-61
              strong spirit turkey
              even deodorant doesn't help bully
          2. iConst
            iConst 11 September 2014 17: 33
            -1
            Quote: supertiger21
            I don’t agree
            I agree with your disagreement ... smile
            Turkey is consistently building a secular state.
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 11 September 2014 17: 47
              +7
              Quote: iConst
              Turkey is consistently building a secular state.


              Built, before Perdogan came to power, today Turkey is slowly but surely sliding into Islamism. Secular forces are being repressed, soon there the Sharia police will start walking the streets with clubs, and there they are not far from public executions for "non-compliance with Sharia" as in Iran.

              Turkey:


              Iran:
              1. Egor65g
                Egor65g 11 September 2014 17: 53
                +1
                Quote: And Us Rat
                It was built before Perdogan came to power
                Voila, I agree.
                But as for the Sharia, it is unlikely that people will let Turkey slide into obscurantism.
                1. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 11 September 2014 18: 13
                  -6
                  Quote: Egor65G
                  But as for the Sharia, it is unlikely that people will let Turkey slide into obscurantism.

                  I would not vouch for this, Iran was also a civilized state until 1979, and today it is a Shiite analogue of militant Wahhabism, without a gap on the horizon. No.
                  1. 0255
                    0255 11 September 2014 18: 18
                    +8
                    Quote: And Us Rat
                    Quote: Egor65G
                    But as for the Sharia, it is unlikely that people will let Turkey slide into obscurantism.

                    I would not vouch for this, Iran was also a civilized state until 1979, and today it is a Shiite analogue of militant Wahhabism, without a gap on the horizon. No.

                    The Iranians did not overthrow the pro-American Shah in 1979 from a good life.
                    1. And Us Rat
                      And Us Rat 11 September 2014 19: 46
                      -1
                      Quote: 0255
                      The Iranians did not overthrow the pro-American Shah in 1979 from a good life.

                      I do not argue, the situation was not ice, but if you think that something has changed with the mullocrates, you are deeply mistaken. Just in addition to economic problems and social inequality, they still got a fascist religious regime on their own.

                      Previously, the shah and his homies had all the money, now all the grandmothers are from the mollocratic clique. And common people sucked x .. paw, and sucks to this day.

                      Ali Khamenei - according to analytical estimates of his (his clan) fortune exceeds the state of Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim ($ 73 billion).

                      Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani - A billionaire and is considered one of the richest people in Iran. Once even got on the list of hundreds of richest people according to Forbes.

                      Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - declared 5 million dollars, (the state of the clan is several orders of magnitude greater)

                      Almost the entire government apparatus of Iran is dollar millionaires, and the link to the ayatollahs is billionaires
                  2. Egor65g
                    Egor65g 11 September 2014 18: 28
                    0
                    Unfortunately, this option cannot be excluded.
              2. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 11 September 2014 19: 12
                +2
                Quote: And Us Rat
                Soon there the Sharia police will start walking the streets with truncheons, and there they are not far from public executions for "non-compliance with Sharia" as in Iran.

                Do not make people laugh! As if you live in Turkey!
                1. Egor65g
                  Egor65g 11 September 2014 21: 15
                  +2
                  Need to live in Syria, Sudan or Pakistan, to know what is happening there? An original statement in the age of the Internet.
          3. Past_ Crocodile
            Past_ Crocodile 12 September 2014 01: 11
            0
            Yah? What did they launch their paws into Syria?
      2. supertiger21
        supertiger21 11 September 2014 17: 35
        +8
        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        The fact that Turkey will not help the US bomb, albeit its own, but still Islamists


        What does it mean "let them own"? Turkey is, firstly, a secular state, and secondly, the course of Sunnism in Turkey is fundamental and traditional. ISIS, on the other hand, has the whole ideology around the most radical offshoot of Sunnis - the Wahhabis. Everything is very confused there, you are not a bearer of Islam it will be difficult to understand.


        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        and in the future also the Caucasus and Russia will come around!


        I don’t come around! I am a resident of the North Caucasus and our common people are not loyal to the radical ideas of bearded warriors. They never openly speak with the inhabitants, knowing that the people as a whole do not support them. In Chechnya, the situation is calmer, the terrorists are afraid of Kadyrov like fire, but here in Dagestan and Ingushetia, this bastard (terrorists) is still completely preserved. They sit in the forests and try to recruit individual teenagers among the people, replenishing their ranks of suicide bombers. But our special forces also do not sit still, listen to conversations, monitor suspicious individuals, and in the end liquidate the bandits. If it were not for the hidden support of the West, then these MRSAEs would not exist for a long time, all over the region, as has already been done in Chechnya.
        1. Egor65g
          Egor65g 11 September 2014 18: 00
          -3
          How long have they stopped living in Chechnya according to Sharia law?
          1. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 11 September 2014 18: 12
            +6
            They tried to impose Sharia laws on Chechnya, but Chechnya did not live by them. You confuse something ...
            1. Egor65g
              Egor65g 11 September 2014 18: 24
              -2
              You seem young. Ask the elders.
            2. Past_ Crocodile
              Past_ Crocodile 12 September 2014 01: 31
              0
              We are confused. Unravel: A holiday in Chechnya: Russians put up with Sharia: http: //newsland.com/news/detail/id/548317/
              1. Egor65g
                Egor65g 12 September 2014 10: 13
                0
                It’s sad. And so they roll down to throwing stones and other things dear Muslim AbYchayam.
            3. Past_ Crocodile
              Past_ Crocodile 12 September 2014 01: 54
              +1
              Quote: supertiger21
              Quote: Egor65G
              How long have they stopped living in Chechnya according to Sharia law?

              No, they have not stopped, and I hope they will not stop in fraternal Chechnya

              Justify each other.
          2. supertiger21
            supertiger21 11 September 2014 18: 36
            +4
            Quote: Egor65G
            How long have they stopped living in Chechnya according to Sharia law?


            No, they haven’t stopped and I hope they won’t stop in fraternal Chechnya. Everything is going according to plan, Ramzan has put things in order. This is only a plus, but there are no homosexuals and lesbians in Geyrope on every corner.
            1. Egor65g
              Egor65g 11 September 2014 18: 52
              +1
              Quote: supertiger21
              but there are no homosexuals and lesbians in Geyrop on every corner.

              But this is really a plus.
              1. Past_ Crocodile
                Past_ Crocodile 12 September 2014 02: 30
                0
                Smiled at your willingness to believe. Islam is very tolerant of gays.
                More complete here http://islamuncovered.info/sodomy_and_islam_persian_hall/
                Murals from Baghdad and Persian palaces.
                “One who would argue that he is not sexually attracted when he looks at a handsome boy or youth is a liar; if we assume that he is telling the truth, then he is an animal, not a person.
                "- Ibn al-Jawazi, Muslim law teacher (XII century.)
                1. Egor65g
                  Egor65g 12 September 2014 10: 22
                  0
                  Read about it laughing Hadiths of Bukhari also reveal the secret of pedagogy in Islam, and Ayatollah Khameini distinguished himself in this field laughing But I quote supertiger21. I myself am from Central Asia and we have a similar mentality and attitude towards 3.14 doraces.
            2. Past_ Crocodile
              Past_ Crocodile 12 September 2014 01: 56
              0
              Quote: Observer 33
              They tried to impose Sharia laws on Chechnya, but Chechnya did not live by them
            3. Alex_Popovson
              Alex_Popovson 13 September 2014 04: 49
              +1
              Ramzan put things in order

              That's exactly what Ramzancheg brought your order.
              Gopota will clean up, who will you be?
        2. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 11 September 2014 22: 23
          +2
          What do you mean "let them be"

          No, no, you misunderstood me. 1) Erdogan - has long been known as a man loyal to wahams.
          2) All butch began with the easy hand of America & Co, that is, they created a problem, and now they will solve it soundly.
          and in the future also the Caucasus and Russia will come around!

          It is understood that the number of terrorist attacks will increase, as well as the number of bearded dolbotryas, who are not fed with a flat cake, will also increase. In any case, the special services will increase their work, that's what I had in mind
      3. Ulairy
        Ulairy 11 September 2014 18: 00
        +5
        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        their own, but still Islamists,

        I completely agree. The Turks are not against NATO (because they are against Russia), but they will not allow ISIS to bomb (because the Jihadian Sunnist Islam). We are neither hot nor cold from this "refusal" - nothing at all. With its obstinacy, Turkey only showed that it is a feudal state, filled with a mixture of Western hypocrisy and Eastern fanaticism. There is nothing to rejoice ... stop
        1. supertiger21
          supertiger21 11 September 2014 18: 41
          +2
          Quote: Ulairy
          but ISIS will not be allowed to bomb (because jihadi Sunni Islam).


          "Jihadist Sunni Islam" - what do you even know about Islam? "Jihadists" are Wahhabis. Sunnis are 70-80% of all Muslims, including those living in the Volga region and the North Caucasus.
          Wikipedia for help!
          1. Past_ Crocodile
            Past_ Crocodile 12 September 2014 02: 11
            0
            Allow.
            From the Quran: "Jihad is the duty of every Muslim"
            Are Sunnis not Muslims? Explain also what is التقية TAKIA.
            I hope we understand each other.
            1. supertiger21
              supertiger21 12 September 2014 16: 41
              0
              Quote: Past_ Crocodile
              From the Quran: "Jihad is the duty of every Muslim"


              First, ask what jihad is. A simple massacre of all who are not Muslims is not jihad, but idiocy. But ISIS sincerely believe that they are waging a "holy war with the infidels")))

              Quote: Past_ Crocodile
              Are Sunnis not Muslims? Explain also what is التقية TAKIA.


              Now tell me, where did I write that “the Sunnis are not Muslims?” I don’t need to appropriate what I didn’t say! negative
              By the way, I'm a Sunni Muslim! hi
              1. Past_ Crocodile
                Past_ Crocodile 13 September 2014 21: 51
                0
                Well, I have lived like a big half of Muslims among Muslims, and now I often drop by. By the way, I don’t suffer from linguistic arrogance and often find out a lot of interesting things that diplomats don’t talk about.
                The fact that jihad happens and spiritual has heard, but ask almost any resident of the Blanc East that there is jihad, you will find out that this is the massacre of kafirs.
                Quote: supertiger21
                Now tell me where I wrote that "Sunnis are not Muslims"?

                And I did not say that you claimed it. I just recalled the lines of the Qur'an that are mandatory for all Muslims (including the Sunnis).
                And besides, you did not explain to the general public the meaning of TAKIA - caution. Does this suggestion of Muhamed to hide
                thoughts and intentions from the Gentiles?
                Well, the fact that you are a Muslim Sunni is not a discovery for me. It seems like komenty is not just running through, but also comprehending, you see.
                Sincerely.
    4. Egor65g
      Egor65g 11 September 2014 16: 46
      0
      But what about a quarrel with a neighbor Syria?
      1. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 11 September 2014 17: 20
        0
        It seems that the mutual shelling has stopped; with refugees, too, as far as I know, something like, but figured out, even the buffer zones demanded by Turkey for so long muddied. So and so, even if not "peace, friendship, chewing gum", but the Turks are not fools, although Erdogancheg was smeared in "green", for that period, as long as he and his party are in power, they are unlikely to tolerate Allah-Babakhs at the borders. By the way, they know very well about the bearded men at the borders (this is also "one grandmother said"), which is hardly possible without cooperation with Syria, at least nominal. Moreover, both countries specifically rest against Iraq's borders.
        But the funniest thing is that you can say one thing and do a completely different thing. Who knows, maybe today, right now, some specialists from Turkey, America and, say, some Czech Republic, together with Russian, Kazakh and Kyrgyz specialists, actively naughty on some kind of caravan. All the same, the GRU and the General Staff are unlikely to report on their actions to you and me.
      2. supertiger21
        supertiger21 11 September 2014 17: 38
        +3
        Quote: Egor65G
        But what about a quarrel with a neighbor Syria?


        Wow, the evil thought of the Israelis is immediately captured - to prevent the thawing of relations between Turkey and Syria ... No.
        1. Egor65g
          Egor65g 11 September 2014 17: 55
          -4
          Okts amiable is only a statement of fact.
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 11 September 2014 18: 37
            +1
            Quote: Egor65G
            Okts amiable is only a statement of fact.


            Since when do we speak "you"?
            1. Egor65g
              Egor65g 11 September 2014 18: 53
              +3
              I apologize, stupid habit drinks
              1. supertiger21
                supertiger21 11 September 2014 19: 06
                0
                Quote: Egor65G
                I apologize, stupid habit drinks

                You are forgiven! wink
                1. Egor65g
                  Egor65g 11 September 2014 21: 16
                  +1
                  Can I switch to you? smile
                  1. supertiger21
                    supertiger21 11 September 2014 21: 49
                    +1
                    Quote: Egor65G
                    Can I switch to you? smile


                    Sorry, but not!
    5. nerd.su
      nerd.su 11 September 2014 17: 27
      +5
      We are the neighbors of the Turks. Americans support and arm the Kurds against ISIS. And armed Kurds with claims to their state of Turkey are not needed.
      But in the United States it seems not fools. If their goal was to make porridge in Eurasia, then they achieved this. First, the Butch from the Arabs, now the radical Arabs stick to the Kurds, then the Kurds clash with the Turks, despite the fact that the Arabs continue to fight among themselves. And Kurds with Turks can ignite Transcaucasia and Iran. And from there it’s close to us. We are glad here that the Americans cannot win either in Iraq or in Afghanistan. But the United States does not need a victory; they skillfully launched armed chaos.
      And in terms of defense, it remains for us to maintain stable secular regimes in the Middle East terrarium - Syria, Turkey, Iran. And in terms of attack, it is high time to raise the issue of North American Indians. Invite their leaders to Grozny, let Kadyrov read them a lecture: "How to make the federal government adequately finance small but proud peoples" ... So that the ideologists could also say that Manita is giving them money.
      1. Egor65g
        Egor65g 11 September 2014 17: 30
        0
        Quote: bot.su
        "how to get the federal government to fund small but proud peoples with dignity"

        The first time I see that someone from your camp admits the truth wink
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 11 September 2014 17: 55
          +3
          I wonder which camp you ranked me as?
          In our country, all sensible people understand the situation very well.
          1. Egor65g
            Egor65g 11 September 2014 18: 02
            0
            Sorry, judging by the answer, and I really messed up the camps drinks
    6. Korvin1000
      Korvin1000 11 September 2014 17: 35
      0
      It would be necessary for the Jihadists to somehow make peace with Syria. At least for now ... against the USA
    7. mazhnikof.Niko
      mazhnikof.Niko 11 September 2014 17: 39
      +1
      Quote: MIV999
      Common sense worked ...


      Quote: MIV999
      Turkey quarrels with neighbors - absolutely nothing ...


      If in Russian: - Why do the Turks in a strange feast hangover ?!
  2. Vend
    Vend 11 September 2014 16: 03
    +8
    A wise decision. The IGs will not be completely destroyed; sufficient residues will be sent to those countries that participated in the operation. And peaceful cities burn. And it starts with the United States.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 11 September 2014 17: 11
      0
      Turkey to the CSTO! When the battle begins, the Americans will not forgive the Turks for "betrayal."
  3. vorobey
    vorobey 11 September 2014 16: 04
    +10
    in in Erdogan said so .. until this monkey kisses my ass.

    but seriously ..

    In a number of Western analytical publications, Turkey’s refusal was connected with the fact that Ankara allegedly supports the activities of the Islamic State.
    and here is a simple example .. take the activity of the Mejilis in the Crimea, which was funded from Turkey.
    1. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 11 September 2014 16: 31
      +3
      In a number of Western analytical publications, Turkey’s refusal was connected with the fact that Ankara allegedly supports the activities of the Islamic State.
      ISIS sells oil produced in Syria and Iraq just to Turkey at a bargain price.
      According to the Iraqi government, oil from Kayara is sent to mobile refineries in Syria, where it produces low-quality fuel, some of which is then sold in Mosul, and larger quantities are illegally delivered to Turkish traders at only $ 25 per barrel.

      According to the Iraqi government, militants earn about $ 1 million daily.
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    3. Revolver
      Revolver 11 September 2014 16: 35
      +9
      Quote: vorobey
      Ankara supposedly [???] supports the activities of the IG.
      and here is a simple example .. take the activity of the Mejilis in the Crimea, which was funded from Turkey.
      Yeah, with friends like Turkey, and enemies are not needed.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 11 September 2014 16: 39
        +6
        Quote: Nagan
        Yeah, with friends like Turkey, and enemies are not needed.


        Yes, yes, our Crimea and not only Americans drove ...
    4. AndreyS
      AndreyS 11 September 2014 18: 04
      0
      Quote: vorobey
      take the activity of the Mejilis in the Crimea which was funded from Turkey.

      No, not a respected compatriot, you are not quite right! Mejlis was fed not by Turkey, but by our "beloved" Americans. And Turkey generally supported its compatriots (of course, with a distant expectation of chopping off a tidbit for itself), but not the radical part of the Majlis. Everything is a little confused there now. "... “We, as representatives of the Federation of the Crimean Tatar Community in the Republic of Turkey, express our agreement with the transfer of Crimea to the Russian Federation,” said the head of the association Unver Sel in Simferopol ... ... Sel also said that his organization was ready to cooperate with the authorities of the Republic of Crimea on the arrangement and development of the Crimean Tatar people, adding that “he expresses his gratitude to the Russian leadership and President Putin for the number of regulatory documents that have already been adopted with respect to the Crimean Tatars and will benefit Crimea.” The purpose of his two-day visit to the peninsula is to develop specific measures to realize the opportunities that opened up before the Crimean Tatar people after entering Russia.
      Turkish public figure expressed his attitude to the ban on entry into Crimea of ​​the former leader of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people Mustafa Dzhemilev: “The ban on entry is associated with provocative actions. Given the activities of Dzhemilev, he did not need to give an excuse for such actions on the part of the authorities. ” Recall that the other day, in the presence of US President Barack Obama and the elected President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, Dzhemilev was awarded the “Solidarity Award” in Warsaw ...
      " Something like that!
  4. fridge
    fridge 11 September 2014 16: 05
    +14
    The USA is already less and less supporting the Muslim world. Everyone can see their destructive actions wreaking havoc and ruin. Erdogan understands everything. Americans overseas, and under his nose everything happens.
    1. Balbes_I
      Balbes_I 11 September 2014 16: 11
      +8
      The problem is that the US has been able to maintain and incite contradictions in the Muslim world for many decades. Unfortunately, Muslims do not have an idea that unites them, plus the presence of a mass of religious movements, including frankly reactionary ones, this creates fertile ground for the rule - "Divide and Conquer"
      1. Egor65g
        Egor65g 11 September 2014 16: 53
        +1
        Quote: Balbes_I
        contradictions in the Muslim world

        has been around for several centuries.
        1. supertiger21
          supertiger21 11 September 2014 17: 40
          +7
          Quote: Egor65G
          has been around for several centuries.


          But somehow "coincidence" that the active phase falls on the 1990s - N.V. laughing In the United States and Israel, of course, nothing to do with it))) soldier
          1. Egor65g
            Egor65g 11 September 2014 17: 50
            0
            Stupidity.
            "The confrontation between Sunnis and Shiites has been going on for the fourteenth century."
            http://www.freereligion.ru/religions-104-2.html
            1. supertiger21
              supertiger21 11 September 2014 18: 44
              +4
              Quote: Egor65G
              Stupidity.
              "The confrontation between Sunnis and Shiites has been going on for the fourteenth century."
              http://www.freereligion.ru/religions-104-2.html


              Previously, the confrontation was at least meaningful, each side knew what it was doing! But now if there are clashes between Shiites and Sunnis, then it’s just a meaningless massacre that most often involves money and political goals. In my region, we are somehow not a friend of the drag regime, because Washington's hand has not yet reached!
              1. Egor65g
                Egor65g 11 September 2014 18: 54
                +3
                Well, thank God that you are quiet.
        2. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 11 September 2014 18: 08
          +1
          Quote: Egor65G
          has been around for several centuries.


          More precisely, almost 1400 years.

          Disagreements between Sunnis and Shiites are rooted in the distant past. After the death of the Prophet Muhammad in 632, a debate broke out between his followers over who should inherit political and spiritual power over the Arab tribes. Most supported the candidacy of the prophet's companion and the father of his wife, Abu Bakr. They subsequently formed the Sunni camp, which today makes up 85% of all Muslims. Others, supported the candidacy of the cousin and son-in-law of the prophet - Ali, saying that the prophet himself appointed him as his successor. Subsequently, they began to call them Shiites, which in Arabic means literally "adherents of Ali."
          In this dispute, supporters of Abu Bakr won, who received the title of Caliph. The subsequent struggle for power led to the assassination of Ali by the Sunnis in 661, his sons Hassan and Hussein were also killed, and the death of Hussein in the city of Karbala (Iraq) in 680 is still perceived by the Shiites as a tragedy of historical proportions. Sunnis continued for hundreds of years in power in the Arab (Islamic) caliphate, while the Shiites were constantly in the shadows, recognizing the true leaders of their imams, descendants of Ali.
  5. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 11 September 2014 16: 05
    +5
    Yes, everything is much simpler, the Turks are afraid to receive a response from the militants. They are all close at the borders of the Port, and some of them are in Turkey itself. Until recently, Assad's "oppositionists", who received Turkey's support, would not forgive a stab in the back.
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 11 September 2014 16: 13
      +5
      Quote: surovts.valery
      Yes, everything is much simpler, the Turks are afraid to receive a response from the militants. They are all close at the borders of the Port, and some of them are in Turkey itself. Until recently, Assad's "oppositionists", who received Turkey's support, would not forgive a stab in the back.


      But here, for the most part, it’s not the terrorists’ fear, but Turkey’s desire to show that Obama is not their master!
  6. asar
    asar 11 September 2014 16: 09
    +8
    Erdogan pleasantly surprised!
  7. Bronik
    Bronik 11 September 2014 16: 09
    +3
    Turkey's actions are easy to understand, she understandably does not want to make a new enemy near her side. The United States, as always, wages wars from overseas and sends foreign soldiers to slaughter. And that's it, damn it, for the sake of damn it, damn its democracy. "I think everyone understood.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 11 September 2014 16: 53
      +3
      Quote: bronik
      Turkey’s actions are easy to understand, she doesn’t want to make a new enemy at her side.

      They’ll make even worse. In addition to the Turks, jump airfields can be provided by the Kurds, and Peshmerga is already fighting against the caliphate. What about independent Kurdistan in Iraq and Syria and the prospects for its unification with Turkish Kurdistan? The Kurds, unlike the Turks, are ready to be friends even with Uncle Sam, at least with the Zionists, at least with anyone, if that gives them statehood.
  8. IAlex
    IAlex 11 September 2014 16: 10
    0
    Erdogan at the right moment, the point flinched from the prospect of getting in the ass from a rabid CIA cancer, which is located on its side, unlike in the distant USA, if you touch it like anyway :)))
  9. ybrcfy27
    ybrcfy27 11 September 2014 16: 11
    0
    The Turks arrived in Sali, and did not pursue their policies, but the result is still the same - remember the Chinese air defense systems HQ-9
  10. staryivoin
    staryivoin 11 September 2014 16: 11
    +4
    Turkey in this situation does not want to support mattresses for a simple reason, Muslims will not fight Muslim fighters. Erdogan does not need militants or terrorist attacks on his territory. And it all ends with this. So Erdogan has a sober approach.
    1. Egor65g
      Egor65g 11 September 2014 16: 55
      +2
      What nonsense. In Syria and Iraq
      Quote: staryivoin
      Muslims with Muslim fighters
      already for two hundred corpses they had plundered.
    2. Sobol
      Sobol 11 September 2014 17: 21
      +2
      Quote: staryivoin
      Turkey in this situation does not want to support mattresses for a simple reason, Muslims will not fight Muslim fighters. Erdogan does not need militants or terrorist attacks on his territory. And it all ends with this. So Erdogan has a sober approach.

      And besides, why should Erdogan ruin his soldiers for the sake of the states that this igil nurtured.
  11. Good_Taxist
    Good_Taxist 11 September 2014 16: 11
    +2
    Quoted: Turkey refuses US support for military operation against Islamic State

    This is sooooo bad !!! .... fair !!! lol gee gee!
  12. raku1.andrej
    raku1.andrej 11 September 2014 16: 11
    +2
    It is right. There is nothing to meddle in and others will follow your example.
  13. vo9944
    vo9944 11 September 2014 16: 13
    +10
    Well done, Erdogan! The next stage is the withdrawal from NATO.
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 11 September 2014 16: 27
      +4
      Quote: vo9944
      Well done, Erdogan! The next stage is the withdrawal from NATO.

      And entry into the Eurasian Economic Community, the Customs Union and the SCO!
  14. Walking
    Walking 11 September 2014 16: 14
    +6
    Americans, as usual, want to correct their mistakes with the wrong hands.
  15. TECHNOLOGY
    TECHNOLOGY 11 September 2014 16: 15
    +1
    Erdogan, it seems I understand where the wind is blowing from! Either mattress trash, or a reliable partner and, in the future, maybe a defender! And a strong helper. good
  16. Tol.Skiff
    Tol.Skiff 11 September 2014 16: 16
    +7
    The US wants to arm (without Turkey’s consent) the Kurds ... Do they need it ..? Kurds, they can definitely use these weapons against Turkey ...
  17. Koronik
    Koronik 11 September 2014 16: 18
    +3
    Well, the discord between NATO members began, and the Turks always tried to have their own point of view, honor and praise.
  18. klavyr
    klavyr 11 September 2014 16: 18
    +1
    ... In a number of Western analytical publications, Turkey’s refusal was associated with the fact that Ankara allegedly supports the activities of the IG
    - First, militants were sent from the territory of Turkey to fight against Assad. These militants were driven out of Syria and they went to create their own "state" in Iraq. Now the "allies" are demanding that Turkey kill these militants. What is the logic here? Does anyone understand?
  19. DanG73
    DanG73 11 September 2014 16: 21
    +7
    In my opinion, Turkey was between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, a NATO member, and on the other, they cannot fight against themselves. There is a very strong suspicion that the Turks are financially financing ISIS, which in turn pose a threat to the Kurds. And as you know, Turkey has long-standing problems with the Kurds. So the Turks have no reason to join the coalition. NATO will swallow it, but for Turkey it is a kind of solution or partial solution to the Kurdish problem.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 11 September 2014 16: 35
      +2
      Quote: DanG73
      In my opinion, Turkey was between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, a NATO member, and on the other, they cannot fight against themselves. There is a very strong suspicion that the Turks are financially financing ISIS, which in turn pose a threat to the Kurds. And as you know, Turkey has long-standing problems with the Kurds. So the Turks have no reason to join the coalition. NATO will swallow it, but for Turkey it is a kind of solution or partial solution to the Kurdish problem.


      Then you can say so:
      On the one hand, Israel is a satellite of the United States, and on the other, they cannot fight against themselves. There is a very strong suspicion that the Israelis are funding ISIS financially, which in turn pose a threat to Syria. And as you know, Israel has long-standing problems with Syria. smile
      The most interesting thing is that neither Turkey nor Israel wants to bomb fanatics from the IG.
      The question is, who helps the terrorists?
      1. DanG73
        DanG73 11 September 2014 16: 43
        +2
        Quote: quilted jacket


        The most interesting thing is that neither Turkey nor Israel wants to bomb fanatics from the IG.


        You are very mistaken. In early July, there was an infa on Israel that an agreement was signed with Jordan that in the event of a threat from ISIS, Israel would provide military assistance to Jordan.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 11 September 2014 16: 45
          +1
          But what confirmation is there, don’t you? That such an agreement exists.
          1. DanG73
            DanG73 11 September 2014 17: 01
            +1
            Quote: quilted jacket
            But what confirmation is there, don’t you? That such an agreement exists.


            I happened to personally see in two newspapers that do not suffer from yellowness.
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 11 September 2014 17: 06
              0
              And please provide some kind of quote from there with a link, otherwise it is hard to believe.
      2. Egor65g
        Egor65g 11 September 2014 16: 57
        +2
        mahmud, so you did not change the manuals, in any topic you drag Israel laughing
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 11 September 2014 17: 18
          -1
          Quote: Egor65G
          mahmud, so you did not change the manuals, in any topic you drag Israel laughing


          Have you changed diapers before talking to me? laughing
          And how not to drag you? Israel is the main sponsor of terror and violence in this region. Yes, and in Ukraine, your compatriots have distinguished themselves.
          Now I'm reading the topic - "Natalya Vitrenko: Without a clause on the prohibition of Nazism, the peace plan is a toilet paper"
          It's just awful what you do there.
          1. Egor65g
            Egor65g 11 September 2014 17: 21
            -1
            I do not know what diapers are. And you crow about Israel, because the paid laughing
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 11 September 2014 17: 26
              -5
              What don’t you know what diapers are? belay
              Directly in panties or under yourself cocoa laughing
              You are the same age, put on a diaper or diaper, no, mom and dad look bad for you smile
              Or are you an orphan?
        2. supertiger21
          supertiger21 11 September 2014 17: 45
          -2
          Quote: Egor65G
          mahmud, so you did not change the manuals, in any topic you drag Israel laughing


          I don’t know about you, but Vatnik is absolutely right! And the more there will be those like Vatnik, the more people will know who is really behind the world's evil (axis: USA-England-Israel).
          1. Dart_Veyder
            Dart_Veyder 11 September 2014 18: 08
            +7
            The more such quilted jackets, the dumber the society will be. What exactly does a quilted jacket post? He does not post attacks on Israel (although they are sometimes appropriate), he posts Nazi ideas on the example of Jews, but such garbage is enough and the so-called Russian marches will be presented not by a couple of hundred, but sometimes tens of hundreds of such ... people, but what’s next, and then the Stone Age (after all, it’s not kosher everything that a Russian was not invented by a Russian).
            Although it is not worth overestimating the ideas of a quilted jacket, this is just trolling, but it scares that there are fools supporting his highs.
            1. Egor65g
              Egor65g 11 September 2014 18: 31
              +1
              Quote: Dart_Veyder
              Although it is not worth overestimating the ideas of a quilted jacket, this is just trolling, but it scares that there are fools supporting his highs.

              So he is here for that serit(forgive me my french)
              1. Dart_Veyder
                Dart_Veyder 11 September 2014 18: 51
                +3
                Fools, like a homosexual man, whatever you do will always be in a certain percentage, but the fact that the atnick is posting, excuse me, doesn’t add to the pacific wave that should wash the Jews away (and it’s better not to indulge with such waves today, Jews, tomorrow everyone who is not ours) .
            2. Dart_Veyder
              Dart_Veyder 11 September 2014 18: 31
              +2
              But people with flags of Israel, if I honestly don't understand, Vatnik, in my opinion, destroys nationalism in "fragile brains." Actually, what happens after reading his comments
              1) Natsik Russophile reads the text of Vatnik and sees clearly, the Jews are to blame for everything !!!
              2) A normal person reads, neighs over a thick trolling (incredibly thick).
              To be honest, it weighs how the Israelis, filled with true anger, are "attacking" the troll and trying to refute his "statements", very funny))
              1. Egor65g
                Egor65g 11 September 2014 21: 24
                +2
                Quote: Dart_Veyder
                To be honest, it weighs how the Israelis, filled with true anger, are "attacking" the troll and trying to refute his "statements", very funny))

                I will not say about everyone, but the padded jacket personally amuses me laughing Moreover, with its help it is better to explain the lies, stupidity and squalor of Arab propaganda, and tell the truth about my country to adequate people.
          2. Egor65g
            Egor65g 11 September 2014 18: 14
            +2
            With a quilted jacket I can’t argue, it’s boring and monotonous. AND rubbing facts are far from facts.
            I wonder why you ranked Israel as an axis of evil. And in general, slightly different countries are considered the axis of evil, no?
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 11 September 2014 21: 59
              -1
              Naturally, what a dispute I can have with you, you're still an unreasonable child laughing .
            2. supertiger21
              supertiger21 11 September 2014 22: 06
              +2
              Quote: Egor65G
              With a quilted jacket I can’t argue, it’s boring and monotonous. AND rubbing facts are far from facts.
              I wonder why you ranked Israel as an axis of evil. And in general, slightly different countries are considered the axis of evil, no?


              In Vatnik's "zh..d..phobia" I agree. In a number of things he certainly exaggerates, but nevertheless all his posts are mostly based on the truth.
              And do you Israelis get angry and having fun when reading Vatnik’s posts?! And what about us (the inhabitants of Russia) when we read Professor’s posts?! Therefore, we will be objective. The Vatnik is somehow our answer to the Professor.
              PSIf you offended you by including Israel in the axis of evil, then please forgive me. However, I will not change my mind!
              Yours! hi
              1. Egor65g
                Egor65g 11 September 2014 22: 37
                +2
                You know, I’ve been reading this site for several years. There are a lot of topics that interest me. And the moderators are on guard, and many smart and interesting commentators. But I registered here recently. Therefore, for example, I do not know who the Professor is. And do not forget, people are different wherever they live. I also do not always agree with the statement of some of my compatriots. And I try to comprehend a different opinion from mine and / or accept, or try to refute it conclusively. For example, your statement
                Quote: supertiger21
                In a number of things, he certainly exaggerates, but nevertheless, all of his posts are mostly based on truth.
                I consider it stupid. There is a logical paradox in it. Can not nonetheless all his posts mostly be based on the truth. Truth is truth, without any parts smile And at the quilted jacket I have not yet met more than one proven statement wink
                Best regards hi
          3. DanG73
            DanG73 11 September 2014 18: 16
            +1
            Quote: supertiger21
            the more there will be those like Vatnik, the more people will know who is really behind the world's evil


            The more people like you, the more ethnic hatred swells. The immature and not having an opinion at the mention of the words of a Jew or Israel blows the roof. That’s for this contingent Vatnik works.
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 11 September 2014 22: 06
              0
              By the way, you still told me about the treaty of Israel and Jordan on its protection against IS fighters, you did not give a link.
              Or again you compose fairy tales laughing
              The Grimm brothers alone gathered in the person of the Israeli participants, do you really really think someone will take your word for it?
              1. DanG73
                DanG73 11 September 2014 22: 47
                +2
                Here’s a link for you ץ I don’t bother translating myself. Google translate to help you.
                http://news.nana10.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=1065368
  20. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 11 September 2014 16: 24
    +1
    I believe that the Turks have nothing to fear from igil, they have an army that is regular and prepared, and have strategic planning too. In addition, the country is not wounded like Syria. Therefore, the igil has no chance, they are better friends with the Turks, and the Anglo-Saxons understand this.
  21. Federal
    Federal 11 September 2014 16: 25
    +1
    America is so far away, and the Islamists are almost at home here. Recep Tayyip Erdogan is not a suicide and perfectly understands both for himself and for the country what the situation will be if he gets involved in a war with the Islamists. "IRAQ No. 2" will be provided for him.
  22. TECHNOLOGY
    TECHNOLOGY 11 September 2014 16: 28
    0
    Turkish special forces .............
  23. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 11 September 2014 16: 29
    +1
    There is a change of poles of forces and centers of gravity wink ...
  24. Zeus
    Zeus 11 September 2014 16: 32
    +2
    For the war against ISIS, the United States and European countries of NATO are arming Kurds who have claims to Turkish territories. Turkey would have participated in this coven. The Kurds will gladly use their weapons against Turkey, since they have a good reason.
  25. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 11 September 2014 16: 34
    0
    It would be nice to expect further steps from Erdogan in this direction, in particular, if not support, then at least restraint in relation to neighboring Syria, I hope this is not a dream, but plans.
  26. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 September 2014 16: 34
    +1
    The Turks supported the opposition in Syria, even a Syrian plane was shot down. And suddenly turn around - no, they are also afraid of Kurds. So the mattresses will have to somehow get out without Turkish airfields.
  27. TECHNOLOGY
    TECHNOLOGY 11 September 2014 16: 40
    +2
    Kurds are Turkey’s headache. As far as I know (from the media) they are trying to solve this problem by inviting Russia. But here the question arises. Kurds are loyal to Russia. Turkey is so-so. Erdogan will not give them territory. There will be a war. What they want the creation of Kurds also enters the territory of Syria. That is, Assad and Erdogan are certainly against. Our Foreign Ministry also says slippery. The main thing is not a separate Kurdistan, but autonomy. Let's live and see. hi
    1. AndreyS
      AndreyS 11 September 2014 18: 14
      +1
      Quote: TECHNAR
      That is, Assad and Erdogan, of course, are against.

      Assad just doesn't mind! He allowed the creation of Kurdish autonomy in Syria "...However, it may be that Kurdish autonomy is an elegant move of Bashar al-Assad, which is a kind of “exchange”. Since the main activity of the militants of the Syrian liberation army, one way or another, is connected with the north of the country, it is quite logical to somehow protect this particular area..."
  28. RIDIK
    RIDIK 11 September 2014 16: 47
    +1
    Oh, this American exclusive nation, is it time to exclude it from somewhere. stop
    1. Fregate
      Fregate 11 September 2014 17: 46
      +1
      Quote: RIDIK
      is it time to exclude her from somewhere.

      From planet Earth.
  29. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 11 September 2014 16: 47
    +2
    While the Obama came with a rag to clean up the dirt in Syria and Libya, Turkey has the right not to let go, but if the niger pulls up NATO, then the Turks will be forced to participate. stop
  30. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 11 September 2014 16: 48
    +1
    America is not accustomed to being sewn, as she is to her.
  31. pinecone
    pinecone 11 September 2014 16: 54
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    The Turks supported the opposition in Syria, even a Syrian plane was shot down. And suddenly turn around - no, they are also afraid of Kurds. So the mattresses will have to somehow get out without Turkish airfields.


    The Americans so far do without Turkish airfields, using sea-based aviation, and weakening the combat effectiveness of the Kurdish armed forces is beneficial to the Turks.
  32. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 11 September 2014 16: 57
    0
    Turkey refuses US support for military operation ...

    If you do not go into details, then this is a good sign that, after Russia, countries dare say NO to "exceptional".
  33. BOB044
    BOB044 11 September 2014 17: 16
    +2
    Turks are not fools to cause war in themselves. The United States is the smartest overseas and you fight. Then terrorists come to you and fight back. You yourself have generated all this, but they don’t know what to do. Fighters for democracy. Your mother.
  34. MSA
    MSA 11 September 2014 17: 19
    0
    Well done, the Turks, Americanos brewed porridge, and now they want to shovel their shit with the wrong hands, so let them throw their fighters there.
  35. Prutkov
    Prutkov 11 September 2014 17: 33
    +1
    In vain Abamka refused a personal meeting with Erdogan at the NATO summit.
  36. Dart_Veyder
    Dart_Veyder 11 September 2014 17: 54
    -1
    Istanbul is famous today
    And tomorrow a forged fifth,
    Like a snake sleeping, crush
    And they will go away, and so they will leave.
    Istanbul fell asleep before trouble. Istanbul has denied the prophet;
    It contains the truth of the ancient East
    Sly West overshadowed -
    Istanbul for sweets vice
    The plea and saber changed.
    Istanbul is weaned from the sweat of battle And drinks wine during prayer hours. There of faith a pure ray went out:
    There wives go around the market
    Old women send to the crossroads
    And those men enter the harems,
    And the bribed eunuch sleeps. But not like Arzrum Upland,
    Our multi-road Arzrum:
    We do not sleep in the luxurious shameful
    Do not scoop the rebellious bowl
    The fault is debauchery, fire and noise. We fast: a sober stream
    Some fountains give us water;
    The crowd is frantic and frisky
    Our dzhigits fly into battle.
    We are to the wives, like eagles, jealous,
    Our harems are silent, Impervious stand. Alla is great!
    To us from Istanbul
    The persecuted Janissary came -
    Then the storm bent us
    And an unprecedented blow fell. From Ruschuk to the old Smyrna,
    From Trebizond to Tulcea,
    Squealing the dogs on a bold holiday,
    The executioners walked in a crowd;
    Cracking in the arms of fires
    The houses of the Janissaries fell; Bloodstained Teeth
    Sticking out everywhere; coals smoldered;
    Dead people crouch on stakes
    Numb blacks.
    Alla is great. - Then the sultan
    Was spun with anger
    1. Dart_Veyder
      Dart_Veyder 11 September 2014 18: 00
      0
      Or does he no longer praise the giaurs, but try to be with the faithful?
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  38. padded jacket
    padded jacket 11 September 2014 18: 15
    0
    Quote: And Us Rat
    Quote: iConst
    Turkey is consistently building a secular state.


    Built, before Perdogan came to power, today Turkey is slowly but surely sliding into Islamism. Secular forces are being repressed, soon there the Sharia police will start walking the streets with clubs, and there they are not far from public executions for "non-compliance with Sharia" as in Iran.

    Turkey:


    Iran:


    Oh well what are you Israel storytellers laughing Until 2010, you were very good and strong friends with, as you say now, the "Islamist state" headed by Erdogan. And even called Turkey the main "Muslim ally" of Israel.
    Your relations with Turkey deteriorated only after the incident with the "Peace Flotilla" where your special forces killed 20 Turks.

    All the fault of these people is that they simply tried to deliver help to the starving people of Gaza, which is in the Israeli blockade.
    1. Egor65g
      Egor65g 11 September 2014 18: 34
      -3
      mahmud, and you know what was in that humanitarian aid and why her hungry FILYSTINS thrown in the trash?
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 11 September 2014 18: 55
        +3
        Answer diapers changed or not? smile
        What kind of child are you and you don’t know smile
        Your government kept ships with help in the heat for many days, until almost all the products that were transported to the Palestinians died there and this was done on purpose.
        Here are some facts about the people you killed accompanying the flotilla:
        According to the Guardian, with reference to a Turkish autopsy examination, 5 out of 9 Mavi Marmara passengers were shot in the head or in the back, and one of them, 19-year-old US citizen Fulkan Dogan, died from five bullet wounds, including a shot in the face, fired at a distance of less than 45 cm.

        THAT IS YOUR SPECIALIZED KILLERS KILLED THESE NOT IN ANYTHING NOT SURE PEOPLE-INTENTIONALLY
        1. Egor65g
          Egor65g 11 September 2014 21: 41
          0
          mahmud, I repeat, you are incredibly stupid. And I can substantiate this statement laughing All IDF operations are filmed. And this month’s record has been in you-tube. Everyone saw these civilian passengers with bats, knives and iron rods in their hands. And the fact that the Israeli special forces opened fire to defeat only after a real threat to life, everyone also knows. Amazing they screwed up only nine. A turkish help thrown in the trash because it consisted of expired drugs and antibiotics. In the last confrontation, the Turks also distinguished themselves: http://izrus.co.il//obshie_novosti/news/2014-07-31/88851.html
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 11 September 2014 22: 10
            0
            Do you substantiate ?? smile smile
            Go change the diapers first- justify laughing
        2. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 11 September 2014 21: 59
          +1
          Quote: quilted jacket
          THAT IS YOUR SPECIALIZED KILLERS KILLED THESE NOT IN ANYTHING FAIR PEOPLE ...

          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 11 September 2014 22: 19
            +1
            So what, people grabbed what they had on hand to defend themselves from armed to the teeth, killers who descended on these defenseless and unarmed people from helicopters.
            It’s very wonderful that you found this video, it is clearly visible how these animals deal with those who just wanted to help the Palestinians.
            It’s good that at least such a relatively small number of victims cost. Because your executioners could have killed- All.
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 11 September 2014 22: 36
              +1
              Quote: quilted jacket
              So what, people grabbed what they had on hand to defend themselves from armed to the teeth, killers who descended on these defenseless and unarmed people from helicopters.
              It’s very wonderful that you found this video, it is clearly visible how these animals deal with those who just wanted to help the Palestinians.
              It’s good that at least such a relatively small number of victims cost. Because your executioners could have killed- All.

              You're lying as always.
              Mavi passengers are terrorists and bandits.
              Soldiers - defended themselves from attack and when trying to search the ship.
              The final conclusion is not subject to appeal.
              (Everyone go graze in another place, I have no mood for you today)
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 11 September 2014 22: 42
                +1
                Your mood doesn't interest me.
                Defended do not make people laughand one of them, a 19-year-old U.S. citizen Fulcan Dogan, died from five bullet wounds, including a shot in the face, fired at a distance of less than 45 cm.
                Five bullets were planted in people, just some kind of sadists.
                They shot people alive, although you don’t understand this.
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 11 September 2014 22: 56
                  -1
                  Now, as your prime minister apologized to Erdogan for the massacre carried out by punishers:
                  The difficult situation in Syria, the threat from Iran and the US request were the main factors that played a role in the decision of the Israeli Prime Minister to apologize for the deaths of Turkish citizens.
                  Israeli society ambiguously accepted the apologies of Benjamin Netanyahu in a telephone conversation with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
                  But more interesting all this happened after the conversation between Netanyahu and Obama:
                  Last Friday, US President Barack Obama completed his three-day visit to Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Due to the sharp deterioration in the weather, the celebrations at Ben Gurion Airport were significantly reduced, but Netanyahu nevertheless went personally to see off the American leader.
                  At 16:00, Obama's last personal meeting with Netanyahu began.
                  Suddenly, Obama asked to be connected with Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan. After exchanging a few suggestions, he handed the receiver to Netanyahu.
                  And further:
                  Prime Minister Netanyahu apologized to the Turkish people for the mistakes that could have caused human casualties, and agreed to complete the work on a compensation agreement.
                  http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/international/2013/03/130325_israel_apology_analysi
                  s.shtml
                  So your prime minister pleaded guilty to the killing of civilians of the Flotilla of Peace.
                  And then Turkey, compensation of $ 20 million was paid for the murder of its citizens.
                  So here it is-storytellers
                2. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 11 September 2014 22: 56
                  -1
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  and one of them, 19-year-old US citizen Fulkan Dogan, died from five bullet wounds, including a shot in the face, fired at a distance of less than 45 cm ...

                  Terrorists shot their own from a pistol seized from the soldiers, and now they are felling on Israel. tongue
                  1. padded jacket
                    padded jacket 11 September 2014 23: 07
                    +2
                    We know - we know the same thing the Nazis said in Odessa, about the burned and killed supporters of New Russia -THEY burned themselves
                    What are you the same, what is here, what is there.
                    One school is immediately visible.
  39. calocha
    calocha 11 September 2014 18: 39
    +1
    Well, the Turks expect democracy to visit! wassatNow the United States will try to try on the Kurds and ISIS to teach Turkey FREEDOM to love!
  40. Saratoga833
    Saratoga833 11 September 2014 19: 12
    0
    The USA in its repertoire - carrying chestnuts out of fire with the wrong hands! In this regard, Erdogan well done, he showed them a fig, they say fight yourself, but only without us at all!
  41. Czar
    Czar 11 September 2014 19: 25
    +5
    No matter how much Turkey is praised, it is an Islamic state.
  42. Gavrohs
    Gavrohs 11 September 2014 20: 50
    +2
    Give FREE KURDISTAN !!! drinksfrom the Euphrates to the Quran! bully
  43. special
    special 11 September 2014 21: 31
    0
    Swing on the ruble .. Let's look at the blow ...
  44. Manul
    Manul 11 September 2014 22: 43
    +1
    We would make friends with all of our potential allies who are at enmity with each other. Turkey with Syria, India with China .. And so on. That will be cool.
  45. padded jacket
    padded jacket 11 September 2014 23: 03
    +2
    Quote: And Us Rat
    Quote: 0255
    Yeah, Obama is already thinking about bombing ISIS positions in Syria without the demand of the UN and Assad - they are protecting their citizens. And they will bomb everything in a row, including schools, hospitals, positions of government troops.


    The biased demonization of the enemy is just what dill is doing in Kiev, it’s unpleasant to see when they begin to become like it on this site.
    Yes, they are not angels, but neither are you. If you have opposite geopolitical interests, this does not divide you into "good and bad", because "propaganda for the plebs." Of course, your right to believe in it, but you shouldn't impose it on the neutral side - for us you are the same.

    I prefer a cold-blooded and unbiased analysis of the situation, in fact.


    Are you composing fairy tales again, are you fooling people again?
    In Ukraine, the Nazis kill Russians under the leadership of a Jew.
    And this is scary.
    1. Egor65g
      Egor65g 11 September 2014 23: 17
      +1
      In Syria, Muslims under the control of Muslims have already killed more than two hundred thousand Muslims. And all, by and large, do not care. This is really scary.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 11 September 2014 23: 20
        0
        You are here again, run to mom quickly change diapers laughing laughing
        And then into the crib, it's time for the children to sleep.
        1. Egor65g
          Egor65g 11 September 2014 23: 23
          0
          This is not at all funny, mahmud. These are 2 and 5 zeros of corpses.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 11 September 2014 23: 32
            +1
            Of course, it’s not funny, Israel’s friends there are terrorists who kill fighters against fanatics and bandits of soldiers and the people of Syria, and in Ukraine, fascists kill Russians under the leadership of a Jew.
            What a laugh there might be.
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 11 September 2014 23: 34
              0
              And why are you Egor65G awake again? belay
              Kids should already make bainki.
              1. Egor65g
                Egor65g 12 September 2014 00: 46
                0
                Ha ha ha mahmud, your mustache has come unstuck wassat
          2. avia1991
            avia1991 11 September 2014 23: 34
            +2
            Quote: Egor65G
            This is not funny at all, mahmud

            No, this is not funny.
            But here are two questions:
            1. WHO provoked the Syrian opposition to war?
            2. Who armed and trained Muslims to kill Muslims? (And not just Muslims?)
            Considering WHOSE ALLY this WHO is, I, in your place, would not so confidently come out with statements about terrorists - to you (state), under the influence of such an "ally", they also begin to appear everywhere.
            1. Egor65g
              Egor65g 11 September 2014 23: 39
              +1
              Can we do without hints and translation of arrows? There is something to say, say, and do not breed here secrecy.
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 12 September 2014 20: 42
                0
                Quote: Egor65G
                There is something to say, say, and do not make secrets here.

                Monsieur, YOU and I did not drink at brotherhood, so be so kind as not to "poke"! I did not translate the arrows, and I did not divorce secrets, but only offered to answer two simple questions! If it is difficult for YOU to make a simple conclusion - what then are we talking about ?!
                And if you do not understand that it is about the USA - the closest ally of your homeland - then what are you trying to discuss here?
                1. Egor65g
                  Egor65g 12 September 2014 21: 00
                  -1
                  Sir, I don’t think we will ever drink with YOU to broodershaft even if YOU express a desire for it. And discuss with YOUno matter what, I have not the slightest desire. About
                  Quote: avia1991
                  I did not translate arrows
                  you probably messed up satchels.
                  1. avia1991
                    avia1991 12 September 2014 22: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: Egor65G
                    Quote: avia1991
                    I didn’t translate the arrows. You probably messed up the satchels.

                    Read your comment carefully:
                    Quote: Egor65G
                    Can do without hints and arrow translation?

                    Quote: Egor65G
                    I don’t think we’ll ever have a drink with YOU at Brudershaft,
                    And thank God! I am glad that we so easily, without unnecessary rudeness, came to a concensus, for
                    Quote: Egor65G
                    And discuss with YOU, whatever I am
                    ALSO
                    Quote: Egor65G
                    I have no desire.

                    hi HAVE HONOR!
                    1. Egor65g
                      Egor65g 12 September 2014 22: 49
                      -1
                      About arrow translation You are right, I apologize. hi
                      1. avia1991
                        avia1991 15 September 2014 22: 19
                        0
                        hi No problems! Good luck!
  46. avia1991
    avia1991 11 September 2014 23: 18
    +1
    Ankara is not only not going to participate in the military operation, but will not even provide the country's air bases for military aircraft of states planning to attack IS fighters from the air.
    Estess no! Turks are suicides? A little war is at hand? The fighters are far away, they don’t care — and to the Turks, in which case, the IG will instantly descend! And now they don’t need a war!
    Dol.banye ameri.kosa brewed porridge - let them disentangle their lives, not strangers, soldiers! Or shut up about your hegemony! am angry
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  48. lonovila
    lonovila 12 September 2014 03: 21
    +1
    -You shouldn't flatter yourself so much about Turkey's "loyalty and alliance" with respect to Russia ... -Yes, no Turkey is our ally ... -It has never been an ally ... in the entire history of its existence ... Quite the opposite ...
    - It's just that in recent years Russia has "fed" Turkey very much and involuntarily has very much "contributed" to the economic growth of Turkey ...
    -First, a stream of "shuttle traders" poured from Russia (90s of the last century), who on their "hump" began to carry consumer goods from Turkey, literally sweeping it off the shelves of seedy Turkish shops, which was very cool and "raised" in a fairly short time a numerous Turkish entrepreneur ... -Then this has already resulted in the creation of large Turkish productive industrial and trading companies, which quickly began to rivet their Turkish goods and supply them to Russia ... -And then a stream of suffering Russian tourists (whole armies) poured into Turkey who brought "their dollars" to Turkish resort coasts and Turkish hotels ... -And many Russian travel agencies (tour operators) began to play the role of "beaters" who began to supply Russian tourists in gigantic batches to Turkish resorts ... -All this and is happening now and is "in full swing" ...
    -Thus, it was Russia that "pulled" Turkey from "rags to riches" .., leaving its Russian manufacturer in the "rags" ...
    -And what can the Americans give Turkey, except for military bases ...
    - The American "tourist business" will not "share" its "tourist clients" and will not "send" them from the coast of Florida to the coast of Turkey ... - And the Americans will not buy (like the Russians) all Turkish consumer goods and counterfeit fake Turkish " golden trinkets "... -Yes Americans for" their dollar "will gnaw anyone's throat (even" ally ") ... -And in the affairs of" political "Americans increasingly began to leave Turkey" with a nose ".., bukalno" spit " on its state "interests" ...
    -There is Turkey and began to tend more and more to comply with their "selfish interests" ...
    -Well, but in real life, of course ...- Turkey is not a "well-wisher" for Russia ... -Yes, the "promotion" of the competitive Russian tourist Crimea is not at all "into the hands of Turkey" ...- to lose such profitable "clients" ...
    -Turkey for Russia is the same "ally and friend" .., which is for Russia "ally and brother" Bulgaria ... -Everything and business ...
  49. lonovila
    lonovila 12 September 2014 03: 39
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    -You shouldn't flatter yourself so much about Turkey's "loyalty and alliance" with respect to Russia ... -Yes, no Turkey is our ally ... -It has never been an ally ... in the entire history of its existence ... Quite the opposite ...
    - It's just that in recent years Russia has "fed" Turkey very much and involuntarily has very much "contributed" to the economic growth of Turkey ...
    -First, a stream of "shuttle traders" poured from Russia (90s of the last century), who on their "hump" began to carry consumer goods from Turkey, literally sweeping it off the shelves of seedy Turkish shops, which was very cool and "raised" in a fairly short time a numerous Turkish entrepreneur ... -Then this has already resulted in the creation of large Turkish productive industrial and trading companies, which quickly began to rivet their Turkish goods and supply them to Russia ... -And then a stream of suffering Russian tourists (whole armies) poured into Turkey who brought "their dollars" to Turkish resort coasts and Turkish hotels ... -And many Russian travel agencies (tour operators) began to play the role of "beaters" who began to supply Russian tourists in gigantic batches to Turkish resorts ... -All this and is happening now and is "in full swing" ...
    -Thus, it was Russia that "pulled" Turkey from "rags to riches" .., leaving its Russian manufacturer in the "rags" ...
    -And what can the Americans give Turkey, except for military bases ...
    - The American "tourist business" will not "share" its "tourist clients" and will not "send" them from the coast of Florida to the coast of Turkey ... - And the Americans will not buy (like the Russians) all Turkish consumer goods and counterfeit fake Turkish " golden trinkets "... -Yes Americans for" their dollar "will gnaw anyone's throat (even" ally ") ... -And in the affairs of" political "Americans increasingly began to leave Turkey" with a nose ".., bukalno" spit " on its state "interests" ...
    -There is Turkey and began to tend more and more to comply with their "selfish interests" ...
    -Well, but in real life, of course ...- Turkey is not a "well-wisher" for Russia ... -Yes, the "promotion" of a competitive Russian tourist Crimea is not at all "into the hands of Turkey" ...- to lose such profitable "clients" ...
    -Turkey for Russia is the same "ally and friend" .., which is for Russia "ally and brother" Bulgaria ... -Everything and business ...
  50. kelevra
    kelevra 12 September 2014 08: 46
    +1
    Turkey, a powerful country with a good economy! Erdogan understood for a long time that NATO was sucking all the resources out of it and hindering the country's development, didn’t he really understand that it was time to leave the bloc and cooperate with Asia and Russia!