Military Review

Priceless Donbass

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The socio-economic situation in the Donbas is very acute. Lugansk is actually a month without water, electricity and communication. Donetsk is also under siege. Food delivery to the region is difficult. Utilities work intermittently. The Ukrainian authorities have completely thrown the region, leaving it to stew in its own juice and not fulfilling social obligations to those who formally remain citizens of Ukraine.

In economic terms, the Donbass has always been the engine of the Ukrainian economy. It housed the largest coal, metallurgical and chemical enterprises. During the civil war, most of them, which fell on the front line, ceased to function. For example, the enterprises of Metinvest holding, which in the past belonged to the largest Ukrainian oligarch Rinat Akhmetov, have ceased to function. The chemical giants Debaltsev and Severodonetsk stopped or were simply bombed. Metallurgical plant of Alchevsk is also idle. As a result, conditions were created for the bankruptcy of Donbass as an economic entity. Total losses from the war according to various estimates range from a few to hundreds of billions of dollars.

As a result, we can say that the entire production base for Ukraine is lost. Donbass itself cannot use its industrial giants. Thus, the authorities of the DPR and the LPR are not able to independently sell products, since the only legal customs are located only on Ukrainian territory. But Russia does not accept cargoes in a different way. As a result, a large part of the economically active population still remaining in the Donbas may be out of work for a long time, which will lead to a collapse in the region.

The authorities of the people's republics are interested in restoring their economic potential and restoring international sectoral ties. What is needed for this and who will “raise” the Donbass?

There are several sources of economic revival. Local political elites are primarily counting on help from Russia, but she is still in too complicated diplomatic conditions of constantly pressing sanctions that prevent Russian business from openly entering the DNR and the LC. This issue will be resolved simultaneously with further promotion of the issue of the state status of Donbass.

Another source of financial income can be local businessmen. Oligarch Rinat Akhmetov, by the way, did not stop contacts with the militias, since most of the assets of Akhmetov’s holdings Metinvest and DTEK are in the hands of the militias. However, his policy towards the DNI is very controversial. While behind the scenes behind the scenes, Akhmetov simultaneously formed volunteer squads from the workers of his enterprises to help the Ukrainian armed forces. Such a pendulum makes the part of the leadership of the DPR to nationalize Akhmetov’s property in order to establish the normal operation of enterprises within the DPR as a separate state from Ukraine. However, such inclinations were restrained by the leadership of the republic in the person of former Prime Minister Alexander Borodai. Now with the arrival of “camouflages” headed by the new Prime Minister Alexander Zakharchenko and Defense Minister Vladimir Kononov to the government, the issue of nationalization has been relegated to the background compared with military operations. However, the question of obtaining sources of filling the budget of the people's republics is still standing.

Obviously, part of the Donbass elites, realizing that the Donbass economy in Ukraine is tied up and the difficulty of quickly canceling customs borders with Russia, is counting on maintaining ties with the Ukrainian oligarchs who own property in the Donbas. In this vein, last week a statement was made by the First Deputy Prime Minister of the DPR, Andrei Purgin, that the DPR is ready to maintain close economic ties with Ukraine.

On the Ukrainian side, the issue of restoring the Donbass, more precisely, the part that is controlled by the Ukrainian forces, is also being actively studied. Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk has repeatedly stated that the government intends to hold talks with the IMF and the World Bank in order to attract the appropriate investments. Called figures of several tens of billions of dollars. However, taking into account the growing holes in the Ukrainian budget, which are already covered by the IMF loan, the provision of new tranches will finally put Ukraine in dependence on Western financial institutions. The restoration of Donbass will be the "Marshall Plan" for the complete subordination of the EU and US economy to Ukraine.

At the same time, some Western politicians are trying to persuade Russia to maintain close cooperation with Ukrainian partners and take a direct part in the resumption of active business life in the Donbas. In addition, they directly want to force Russia to pay for the destruction, since it is alleged that “it is she who is responsible for the actions of the militiamen”. Such a formulation of the question does not stand up to criticism from banal logic: Russia cannot be responsible for the destruction in the course of someone else's civil war. However, attempts to force Moscow to supply Ukraine with gas at reduced prices and to forgive part of past debts are all links in one chain in terms of forcing Moscow to finance the dying Ukrainian economy. However, judging by the Russian position, these attempts will not be crowned with success, and Ukraine itself, together with the Donbass business, will have to restore what it has destroyed.
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  1. saag
    saag 12 September 2014 08: 59
    +6
    As a result, the question will arise - why all these deaths were needed, if in the end everything will return to normal, because it was not for the sake of the idea
    1. MSA
      MSA 12 September 2014 09: 04
      +2
      Time will put everything in its place
      1. saag
        saag 12 September 2014 09: 11
        +3
        Quote: MSA
        Time will put everything in its place

        Are you waiting for a miracle? There are no miracles :-)
        1. Balbes_I
          Balbes_I 12 September 2014 10: 02
          0
          Yes, miracles do not happen, Russia will put everything in its place, unfortunately this process is not as fast as we would like.
        2. SHILO
          SHILO 12 September 2014 11: 01
          +9
          Quote: saag
          Are you waiting for a miracle? There are no miracles :-)


          Recently, the expression "Pyrrhic victory" has been constantly appearing in my memory. Dill really dabbles in the Stone Age. From the 21st of last month to yesterday I sat at the facility in Yasinovataya - the city has only been open for 3 days. They sat for 26 days without communication, electricity, water, gas, pharmacies and shops (20 nights in a bomb shelter, actually on the grazing - people in the city fought for humanitarian aid, I walked to the obet from Makeyevka with a backpack of food and bread - I gave half of it to the militia along the way ). The town was clean before the war. With a gorgeous park and a large industrial enterprise, an iron junction - now the ruins. There was no place to work (from the 2nd to the 8th, and until the 2nd, and that was not, there was one store for the whole city - thank you! You could have cigarettes, bread, stew, you could buy it) - until the pigeons were caught. In the morning, the people called back - they gave water, and after 20 minutes, the National Guardians stopped in Yasinovka (for a pistol shot). Again they are sitting under the shelter - they are waiting for shelling. So the question arises: "Who damn needs such a victory, if its price is" lunar landscape ", where is it impossible to live?"
          I got to the post office yesterday - an employee from Russia unsubscribed, saying that they don’t look friendly, red tape and crocheting, housing prices are high. He laughed from him and sent pictures of the city - sit and rejoice that you don’t have to dive into the asphalt (I’m walking along Makeevka yesterday and I’m really afraid to screw up - I’ll dive out of the habit into the asphalt on the left whistle, they’ll think that it’s not adequate). These are the damn things. The city was closed - again on foot.
          1. Igor_kh
            Igor_kh 12 September 2014 12: 49
            +3
            one to one, mine from the porch to the porch ran for water, the mine blows, went out and you run further to the porch, and back.
            1. SHILO
              SHILO 12 September 2014 13: 33
              +1
              Quote: Igor_kh
              one to one, mine from the porch to the porch ran for water, the mine blows, went out and you run further to the porch, and back.


              Hold on friend drinks There is no other request
          2. Alekseev
            Alekseev 12 September 2014 16: 22
            0
            Quote: SHILO
            "And who the hell needs such a victory, if its price is" lunar landscape ", where it is not possible to live?"

            Nobody needs, but all destruction is the result of war, not victory.
            The result of the use of heavy weapons bandervlada allegedly to their own cities.
            And you do not need to grieve, although it is really very difficult.
            For such a power, which was now beating Grads in cities in the Donbass a priori, cannot treat people normally.
            Not now so after some time, war and destruction would have come.
            And there are reasons: the next Maidan, the limit of ownership, the return of the Crimea, etc.
            Those who do not believe in their word will still see a color series from life: "Ruin in Ukraine in 2014-2015."
            It's hard to "dive into the asphalt." But you have to, if you don't start diving into a trench with a grenade launcher or into a tank hatch.
            I don `t want? This is understandable ... But banderlogs serving the oligarchs have such a desire.
            And there is also a strong desire to turn the working people of Donbass into a mute and brainless worker who does not remember kinship and their Russian roots. Hardworking mankurtik sort of ...
            1. SHILO
              SHILO 12 September 2014 20: 44
              +1
              Quote: Alekseev
              It's hard to "dive into the asphalt." But you have to, if you don't start diving into a trench with a grenade launcher or into a tank hatch. This is understandable ... But Banderlog, serving the oligarchs, have such a desire.


              I could discuss this very topic ... But ... tells me that my friend you dive first (even where - start with a local reservoir), answer for the people, and then piz ... di. And to hit the keys ... mustache trench hieroes.
              Ot such a hero recently from 7.00 to 21.00 he kept ... They brought a platoon of pilots to the object - to load food, and him (the 17-year-old boy was left without communication and with a machine gun). So from a miracle I spent 12 hours - I did not let it out. So he said: "Trying to leave is equal to running." So he handed over the puppy whole. And ... he also asked ... Separately: "What, are you going to shoot at people !?"
              I will not say the answer. When he comes to your house, you will find out for yourself.
              1. Alekseev
                Alekseev 12 September 2014 21: 21
                0
                Quote: SHILO
                dad you dive first

                I, my son, dived, do not hesitate.
                And if you do not agree, then tell me what’s wrong?
                How to?
                Always glad to hear. hi
        3. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 13 September 2014 02: 12
          0
          The author is so big, but believes in fairy tales.
      2. 77bob1973
        77bob1973 12 September 2014 18: 14
        0
        In cases where one belligerent caused damage to the other, there are appropriate rules for levying indemnity, and in this situation it’s just not a logical thing to do, which put sticks in the wheels, bring it to the end, and then demand even from the Lord God himself!
    2. Uncle Fedor
      Uncle Fedor 12 September 2014 10: 12
      -2
      Exact thought. For what?! Not for the sake of several thousand killed and 2 destroyed areas?
    3. alleksSalut4507
      alleksSalut4507 12 September 2014 10: 17
      0
      remember 2MV. not everyone get what they deserve.
    4. Sergei1982
      Sergei1982 12 September 2014 16: 04
      +1
      You know, I’m sure that if Novorossia becomes independent, Russia will have to restore it, and I suggested connecting our oligarchs to this business to transfer them to the enterprises of Akhmetov, Kalomoisky, etc., into the ownership of the property and force them to invest funds in them.
      1. saag
        saag 12 September 2014 17: 52
        -2
        Quote: Sergei1982
        and force them to invest in them.

        they would say "dumb dumb" :-)
        1. Commissar of the NKVD
          Commissar of the NKVD 12 September 2014 19: 48
          0
          Quote: saag
          they would say "dumb dumb" :-)

          And smart in the zone for the sins of the 90s, which can suddenly be recalled, does not sit well. Especially if property is confiscated ...
          1. saag
            saag 13 September 2014 06: 45
            0
            Quote: NKVD Commissioner
            Especially if property is confiscated ...

            This is not for you OBKHSS
      2. DMB-88
        DMB-88 12 September 2014 21: 25
        0
        Quote: Sergei1982
        and I proposed to involve our oligarchs in this matter, to transfer to them the enterprises of Akhmetov, Kalomoisky, etc., which were disbursed to them, and force them to invest funds in them.


        Are you out of your mind? People fought to live without oligarchs !!
        And you offer them Rassayskih kalamoshek !!!
      3. Kaskadermike
        Kaskadermike 15 September 2014 10: 44
        0
        Yeah, only you forget that we did not work for large salaries at the same enterprises of the oligarchs, in Kiev, in the office, our pants are wiped from 5000 UAH. s \ n, and I'm in the shop for 3500 UAH. I’ll work in Donetsk, and this is with a higher education. And the burden of redemption and investment of enterprises will fall on workers by reducing the already liquid salary, and there is nowhere to work anymore, especially if you are not a relative of any bureaucrats. Well, how can Donbass know that hunger is not an aunt, for 5 cents you will work hard to survive.
    5. Megatron
      Megatron 13 September 2014 15: 30
      0
      It's okay, they’re not bad in Transnistria, but there are much more opportunities for this in the Donbass!
      1. Kaskadermike
        Kaskadermike 15 September 2014 10: 51
        0
        How good is that? Is cheap beer and pension higher than in Moldova? And s / n is not so high, especially when you consider that the payment for apartments and utilities is very high!
        Donbass has been destroyed, half of the mines have been flooded and they will be developing from vryatli, most of the factories that worked for Russia have been destroyed, I, as an employee of one of the factories, declare ... Where is the opportunity to draw from? from the air? If until now the leadership of the DPR can not build an economic model of the state? having printed n 2 hryvnia banknotes "DNR", the economy did not become non-Ukrainian. And you about the possibilities ... funny to tears, but sad to laughter.
    6. Ober.K
      Ober.K 14 September 2014 20: 51
      0
      Will not come back! It is impossible to enter the same river twice !!!
    7. Kaskadermike
      Kaskadermike 15 September 2014 10: 30
      0
      But nothing moved from its own circles, as soon as it began to shift - they changed the leadership of the DPR to the people of the oligarchs. For example, OPLOT protects Akhmetov’s residence in the Botanical Garden, the question is from whom, the answer is from the people, from Donetsk. As if hinting at who Zakharchenko really works and where his work will lead. But at the Akhmetovsky plant, in Donetsk, when Zakharchenko came to power, they began to repair tanks, with the previous DNR team they intimidated the whole team, sent them home and told them not to go out until they say it, too, as if hinting. And there are a lot of such hints. So to say infa first-hand, I myself am a resident of Donetsk!
  2. Drunya
    Drunya 12 September 2014 09: 02
    +10
    patriotic in the morning good good
    The author of words and music is Igor Rasteryaev.
    The author of the video is Lyokha Lyakhov.
    The video was shot in the Volgograd Region, the Medveditsa River, Marusin Kurgan.

    1. Loner_53
      Loner_53 12 September 2014 10: 11
      +2
      Oh, how good! Good! smile
    2. sasha-bort
      sasha-bort 12 September 2014 10: 56
      +2
      The song is dedicated to the 100th anniversary of the First World War.
  3. bmv04636
    bmv04636 12 September 2014 09: 08
    +3
    Today they will take us to the next sanctions in response will go the second humanitarian convoy. The question was how the information passed that the Ukrainians customs officers and border guards who cleared the cargo for a long time did not leave our territory, left, or already draw up a second convoy.
    I feel the work will be our pipeline troops in the near future.
    1. officer29
      officer29 12 September 2014 10: 28
      0
      Quote: bmv04636
      I feel the work will be our pipeline troops in the near future.

      Why else would they bring in pipeline troops? Isn't it easier to legalize the existing smuggling pipelines between the Rostov and Luhansk regions, before they were opened by Russia several times a month, probably not all of them. "Shamanize" the rest, restore the opened ones and the business will work itself out! good drinks
  4. saag
    saag 12 September 2014 09: 22
    -1
    Lakshmi Mittal could buy this metallurgy on the cheap, but he is unlikely to risk his Arcelor Mittal, because of the unresolved conflict, Sergei Mordashev from Severstal could, but his future in this case is predictable as a flight of a stone - sanctions against him and his enterprises and in general how to beat off costs is completely unclear ...
  5. Freemason
    Freemason 12 September 2014 09: 23
    0
    On the Ukrainian side, the issue of restoring the Donbass, more precisely, the part that is controlled by the Ukrainian forces, is also being actively studied. Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk has repeatedly stated that the government intends to hold talks with the IMF and the World Bank in order to attract the appropriate investments. Called figures of several tens of billions of dollars. However, taking into account the growing holes in the Ukrainian budget, which are already covered by the IMF loan, the provision of new tranches will finally put Ukraine in dependence on Western financial institutions. The restoration of Donbass will be the "Marshall Plan" for the complete subordination of the EU and US economy to Ukraine.

    A vivid example of how an entire nation will be sold into slavery to the west, in a place of descendants who afterwards will live there ...
  6. anip
    anip 12 September 2014 09: 26
    0
    However, attempts to force Moscow to supply gas to Ukraine at reduced prices and to forgive part of past debts are all links in the same chain in terms of forcing Moscow to finance the dying Ukrainian economy.

    But will it be different? To one degree or another, everything will come to this.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 September 2014 09: 26
    0
    The second humanitarian convoy and immediately on the offensive-Kharkov, Zaporozhye, then everywhere ...
    1. officer29
      officer29 12 September 2014 10: 37
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The second humanitarian convoy and immediately on the offensive-Kharkov, Zaporozhye, then everywhere ...

      But this should not be done yet! In one of the "threads" of discussion, I explained why. Guiconvoy-2 will again "mury" on the border like the first, they will wait for Russia to launch the second wave of "humanitarian aggression", so that later they will accuse us that the convoy had not only flour and cereal with stew, but also the latest weapons and ammunition ... And then ukroarmiya can safely begin a large-scale offensive on all fronts, accusing Russia of "complicity with terrorists"! hi
  8. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 12 September 2014 09: 36
    +3
    In economic terms, Donbass has always been the engine of the RUSSIAN economy. Something like that! good
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 12 September 2014 09: 36
    0
    The main thing for Ukraine is to build the "great Ukrainian wall" ...
  10. DMB-75
    DMB-75 12 September 2014 10: 11
    +2
    For what the Ukrop fascists did there, what kind of cooperation can there be? The people of Donbass will hate them to the seventh generation, if at all!
    1. Nina Zima
      Nina Zima 12 September 2014 14: 18
      +2
      it’s better and calmer ...
  11. delorian
    delorian 12 September 2014 10: 43
    0
    why did they beat off the port of Novoazovsk? products can be transported to Abkhazia and from it ..... no matter where! by the way, in Mariupol there is an opportunity to load coal, so all parties would like to reserve it
  12. Igor_kh
    Igor_kh 12 September 2014 11: 01
    +7
    There is no electricity in Lugansk yet, communication (MTS, Kyivstar in general for Meadow and Don. Region for free) has appeared, relatives have phoned, thank God. Phones people charge in the hospital (the same generators from the first convoy). Hospitals also work as they should, the mother-in-law came to the doctor for a consultation, he didn’t take the money (!), They say they check it three times a day, and they work accurately from 8-00 which wasn’t even during the USSR. People on the streets, which are very good. they are few, surprisingly polite, greet each other, wish good luck and a good day to strangers, apparently, the imprisonment in the basements under the shelling affected. In the center of the window and the hollows are knocked out but telephones, furniture, no one drags, everything is in place.
    A newspaper newsletter is coming out.
    Krasnodon has a strict dry law, even beer is not allowed. And, which is typical, no one violates (otherwise - dig trenches). Alcoholic addicts disappeared from the streets like a class. Fotat \ movie shooting is prohibited. In stores, goods are mainly from the Russian Federation. Insulin, as before the war, is free for diabetics. The census of the pensioners passed, it seems like money is being paid from the Crimean charitable foundation :) Technique is on, even the Poroshensky 5th channel reports with video (12 tanks) from the Ukrainian border service, which is not surprising to me, the city is full of Ukrainian agents (I saw a car from a relative lekoy shot from machine guns full of firearms and grenade launchers).
    2 last thing. 1) LPR does not release men of draft age in the Russian Federation, but people want to, then we observed such a case. The jeep with non-poor citizens was slowed down by the militias, passengers fingers faned. We NEED ... YES WHO YOU ARE so long as the automatic shutter did not click, then the arrogance was knocked down like a hand, GUYS, YES WE ARE NOTHING .. turned around and left. 2) Ukrovoyaki drunkenly shot the grocery store owner’s store outside the city limits, although they did not kill anyone, now the owner does not sympathize with the Ukrainian army, as it was before, guess who, in the city his shops did not rob, how they worked and how they work.
    I almost forgot, Ukrainian. mov \ literature, history is no longer taught in Krasnodon schools.
    1. SHILO
      SHILO 12 September 2014 11: 46
      0
      I look at each other's oil painting - the same thing.
    2. xan
      xan 12 September 2014 11: 52
      0
      If the GDP surrenders to Donbass, I will consider it a traitor, and past merits here do not roll.
      It is necessary to make Donbass live normally independent country. And so that everyone in the world knows who will offend DONBASS, will deal with Russia.
      Well, then we'll look further.
    3. g1v2
      g1v2 12 September 2014 17: 22
      0
      Well, as I understand it, until the thermal power station in Happiness is completely repulsed, you will have to sit without electric power. And as they say the aydar mined it, it may take longer. Do you have any other power plants there not far from Lugansk there, or does everything rest in Happiness?
  13. strelok93rus
    strelok93rus 12 September 2014 11: 26
    0
    The plot went much deeper. Bye V.V. dealing with issues of Ukraine and Sanktsy, mattresses crept up again to Syria under the pretext of IS. Obama avenged first defeat in Syria.
    1. xan
      xan 12 September 2014 11: 56
      0
      Quote: strelok93rus
      The plot went much deeper. Bye V.V. dealing with issues of Ukraine and Sanktsy, mattresses crept up again to Syria under the pretext of IS. Obama avenged first defeat in Syria.

      This is like waving fists after a fight, as ours say, or wit on the stairs, as the French say, for one simple reason - he will not take away Assad with his bombs.
  14. Agent 008
    Agent 008 12 September 2014 11: 45
    0
    Putin just needs to recognize the DPR and LPR, and then many issues will be much easier to solve ...
    1. Igor_kh
      Igor_kh 12 September 2014 12: 06
      0
      just shot down a Boeing, Russian channels reported it as "over the territory of the Donetsk region was shot down ..." not over the DPR but the Donetsk region, as if the recognition ended that day.
      Yes, and Ukrainian passports to Russia. not yet massively changed. We will wait, from the Kremlin towers you can see further.
  15. padded jacket
    padded jacket 12 September 2014 12: 08
    +2
    The situation in New Russia:

    1. Igor_kh
      Igor_kh 12 September 2014 12: 19
      -3
      dishonors, could not get from the 1st time on the pole
  16. padded jacket
    padded jacket 12 September 2014 12: 09
    +3
    Militias of New Russia:

  17. Wolland
    Wolland 12 September 2014 12: 13
    0
    We’ll not rebuild anything, even raise Donbas, if only it would become our part ....
  18. Aldo
    Aldo 12 September 2014 14: 01
    -1
    When it is necessary to restore the bombed cities, sobering will come. Let the Russian Federation and pay for everything.
    1. xan
      xan 12 September 2014 15: 33
      +2
      Quote: Aldo
      When it is necessary to restore the bombed cities, sobering will come. Let the Russian Federation and pay for everything.

      Do not bzdi, it will not rust behind us. Such a Donbass with a hot population will only strengthen us. And loot only warms the poor soul.
  19. Nina Zima
    Nina Zima 12 September 2014 14: 17
    +10
    when a crest was born, the Jew burst into tears ...
    1. DROP 1
      DROP 1 13 September 2014 16: 35
      0
      No need to distort reality)
      After all, it’s Lugandonia and Daunetsk who received huge subsidies and lived at the expense of the rest of Ukraine, they don’t know the language of the country in which they lived, they were constantly not happy with something. But they go there where it’s so good, they speak Russian, for some reason they didn’t want high salaries and pensions (in Russia, for example).
      Here it is the essence of Russian, at home and then look for those responsible)))
  20. Nitarius
    Nitarius 12 September 2014 14: 18
    +1
    we will hope for a POSITIVE OUTCOME for NEWS! there is no other way out!
    OTHERWAY USA - ALL UKRAINIANS WILL DRIVE IN THE END - CAMP!
    with the victory of KIEV- there will be VERY STRONG CLEANERS! listened to such a VERSION!
  21. Prutkov
    Prutkov 12 September 2014 14: 29
    +1
    The main message from Russia to Europe is Ukraine itself. Let them digest what they "cooked".
  22. padded jacket
    padded jacket 12 September 2014 15: 00
    +1
    DPR special forces organized a training camp in Donetsk:

    Sappers:
    1. PoJIaHg
      PoJIaHg 13 September 2014 02: 25
      0
      1 video. How can a police technique be used to cover combat special forces training? With such crowding, 1 shell is enough for the entire group to cease to exist. This is not an assault on a drug dealer’s apartment, in fact. If the video is staged, then, well, beauty is more important to the junkies than truth, but what if they really train like that?
  23. Wladimir71
    Wladimir71 12 September 2014 15: 20
    0
    DNR is time to accept their currency. it will strengthen both conquest and administrative resource
  24. capitosha1rang
    capitosha1rang 12 September 2014 16: 39
    0
    In the words of the Scarecrow the Wise: - If I were smart ...
    And so on.
    I have no right to advise or suggest, but!
    Being in the place of the leaders of the LPR and DPR, I would turn for help to our real friends and associates - China or Vietnam.
    Not just for help, but "for advice and help." Let's say the arrangement of agricultural land. Joint Ventures for the production of agricultural products. It is clear that order by all available means on the lands / territories of these joint ventures will have to be maintained by our friends - the Chinese or the Vietnamese.
    Well, remember Yakir! With his battalion of Chinese. How he "conquered" Ukraine!
    In Poroshenko, the EU + Obama, taken together, the gut will be thin to challenge the right to Earth / life with these hardworking (and very belligerent, the United States at one time dumped from Vietnam) people.
  25. Rigla
    Rigla 12 September 2014 16: 42
    0
    There are also those who shout: "but a truce" ... The flag is in them ... am
  26. Massik
    Massik 12 September 2014 20: 19
    0
    How will they survive the winter is the question ...
  27. padded jacket
    padded jacket 12 September 2014 20: 29
    0
    Broken trophy technique:

  28. padded jacket
    padded jacket 12 September 2014 20: 34
    0
    Purgin Press Conference:

    Destruction in the village of Green:
  29. padded jacket
    padded jacket 12 September 2014 20: 39
    +1
    Humanitarian aid from the Communist Party of Russia:

    Death Road. Shocking confessions from survivors. 12.09.2014:
  30. padded jacket
    padded jacket 12 September 2014 20: 44
    0
    Makeevka, pos. Khanzhenkovo ​​after a terrible shelling at the bus station:

    Broken technique again:
  31. padded jacket
    padded jacket 12 September 2014 22: 05
    0
    Bright Russia of Motorola and its fighters:
  32. saag
    saag 13 September 2014 06: 47
    0
    "Barack Obama and the leaders of European NATO member states have persistently asked the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko to reach an agreement with Vladimir Putin as soon as possible" politobzor.net/show-31436-vashington-nastoychivo-poprosil-poroshenko-popytatsya-
    dogovoritsya-s-putinym.html

    from the regional committee they called and said "I have an opinion ...", it looks like they decided to freeze the current situation for an indefinite time
  33. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 13 September 2014 13: 59
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    Of course, you will not stupidly carry humanitarian goods to infinity either. It is probably easier to relocate the majority of the population to Russia and give work. But it’s difficult to convince people to leave. And it is extremely difficult to solve the housing problem, half of us and our people do not understand where. Nevertheless, the South-East must be kept as a strategic area.
  34. DROP 1
    DROP 1 13 September 2014 16: 31
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    Russia turned another outcast territory from Donbas.
    Which, by her grace, will be isolated from both Ukraine and Russia.
    Living in this territory will be doomed to poverty and squalor. Russia does not need them, and it (Russia) will not let go under the control of Ukraine.
    So Transnistria, Ossetia, Abkhazia are now Daunetsk and Lugandonia.
    How many more nightly examples are needed for people to understand that they are only puppets in the hands of Russia?