VSU intend to use on the militia ZSU "Shilka"

Kiev transferred anti-aircraft self-propelled ZSU-23-4 “Shilka” to the conflict zone, the agency reports Messenger of Mordovia.

According to military experts of the publication, these self-propelled guns will be used by security forces to a greater extent on ground targets.

Help Agency: The ZSU-23-4 Shilka was developed at the beginning of the 60-s and was repeatedly modernized. Her weight is about 20 T. The crew of the 4 person. Armament - four 23-mm guns with a maximum range of 2000 m. Ammunition 2000 shells. The rate of fire is up to 1000 rounds per minute per barrel. The maximum travel speed is up to 50 km / h. Cruising on the highway - to 450 km ".

The installation showed its effectiveness in many armed conflicts: in Vietnam, Africa, the Middle East, during the Iran-Iraq war, in the Persian Gulf region (1991) and in Yugoslavia.

However, in 80-x ZSU became obsolete, and more advanced "Tunguska" gradually began to force it out.

During the battles "Shilka" was successfully used on lightly armored vehicles and manpower of the enemy. According to the newspaper, for the 40 Army, which fought in Afghanistan, "a special version was even developed, from which the radar complex was dismantled."

The units of the Russian army used the installation and during the conflict in the North Caucasus.

The publication writes: “Judging by the scale of the recent losses of armored vehicles, the Ukrainian command, apparently, decided to use the Shilka for fire support of ground units. However, the effectiveness of the combat work "Shilok" will limit the weak booking, just 9,2 mm chassis and 8,3 mm tower. " According to experts, anti-cumulative screens and other additional protection can be installed on the machines.

Comments

[Balbes_I]

Well, the militia park is diversifying again thanks to UkrVoentorg.
I think Shilkov will be convenient to mow dill.

[Oleg NSK]

Against the army of New Russia, the use of ZSU does not make sense
... or another insanity of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... well, or Ukraine hinted that if the truce is violated ... then consider that the games are over

..so ... thinking aloud

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: Oleg NSK

Against the army of New Russia, the use of ZSU does not make sense

Shilka is quite a serious weapon, and it can be used against anyone!
Only a competent crew is needed And the most important interaction of "shiloks" with the rest of the armor and infantry must be VERY serious, which is clearly beyond the reach of dill! Which means that these shilki either burn up or go to the militia!

[Number 17]

And how does she shoot in front of herself and below ?????

[domokl]

Quote: number 17

And how does she shoot in front of her and below

Only direct fire is fired. Hence the loss of range ... Although, probably (already my speculation), a skilled crew will be able to shoot with an appropriate skill and exceeding the trajectory.

[Sid.74]

Quote: domokl

Only direct fire is fired, hence the loss of range ...

At distances exceeding 2500 m, shooting at air targets is ineffective and is allowed only for self-defense. It takes 3000 seconds to fly 23 m, 6-mm Shilka shells.

Ie it can be assumed that the earth 2500 meters is not the limit!

ZSU-23-4М2 - modernization of the ZSU-23-4М1 for use in the mountainous conditions of Afghanistan. The RPK was excluded from the installation, due to which the ammunition load of shells was increased from 2000 to 3000 units, night vision equipment was introduced for firing at night against ground targets.

Wikipedia does not indicate the number of Shiloks at the Armed Forces, modifications are not indicated either!
Shilka can be a serious problem for the militias! But let's hope that they intercept her!

[Manul]

Quote: Sid.74

Shilka can be a serious problem for the militias! But let's hope that they intercept her!

I'm worried too. Shaitan-arba after all. God forbid - none of the normal people will fall under her fiery rain.

[Eugene]

Where did the skilled crew come from? Six months of continuous training. For salag!

[skeptic]

Quote: 17 number

And how does she shoot in front of herself and below ?????

How it shoots is not important, the main thing is that it is better to wet them on the march, in the column. Before she answers.

[wow]

In azimuth of 360, horizontally from -5 to 85 degrees.

[domokl]

Quote: serega.fedotov

the main interaction of "shilok" with the rest of the armor and infantry should be VERY serious -

Once they worked out of the silk on the T-55 ... the minute of shooting and the tank went blind, deaf and stood up ... and even turned into a hedgehog (steel cores were in shells ... The sight was still ...
But on the reservation ... It is impossible to protect this machine at the forefront ... Even a PC can penetrate armor like paper from a short distance, not to mention more serious calibers ... That is. the effect of surprise, of course, will play a role at first. And then they will burn cars like kamazs ... That's all ...

[Altona]

Quote: domokl

.Those. the effect of surprise, of course, will play a role at first. And then they will burn cars like kamazs .. That's all ...

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So I have the impression that the effect of the application will be small and short-lived ... Unlike dill, the militia always carries out thorough reconnaissance to give a normal target designation for its artel ... And the quad spit will not be able to give a worthy answer to the militia artillery, now they have normal calibers with good range ...

[kenig1]

Bad thinking.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Oleg NSK

thinking out loud

Fair thoughts, fair.
The most recent applications of "Shilok" in Syria take place, by the way.

[Semen Semyonitch]

Quote: Hedgehog

The most recent applications of "Shilok" in Syria take place, by the way.

Moreover, not weakly ...

[Tourist]

Quote: Oleg NSK

Against the army of New Russia, the use of ZSU does not make sense
... or another insanity of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... well, or Ukraine hinted that if the truce is violated ... then consider that the games are over

..so ... thinking aloud

This is how to say it. This fool takes apart a wall of 2,5 bricks in 3-4 seconds.

[Reasonable]

In a jackhammer.
It’s useful at construction sites!

[Bkmz]

Shilka on the ground also hammering perfectly, but against the infantry, a lawn mower in general.

[MSA]

All the same, apparently, the third and most likely final phase is inevitable ...

[zzz]

Quote: MSA

All the same, apparently, the third and most likely final phase is inevitable ...

Urgent need to take Mariupol! Oh, there are not enough forces ... and under Debaltseve you can’t let them go to Donetsk. And Kharkov would shatter more seriously. Maybe they will send Strelkov there? It’s not just that the partisans openly marched there. There the forests are already beginning ... not the steppe.

[78bor1973]

Now it’s better to step on Kharkov, and leave Mariupol for dessert!

[iConst]

Quote: zzz

Urgent need to take Mariupol! Oh, there are not enough forces ... and under Debaltseve you can’t let them go to Donetsk. And Kharkov would shatter more seriously. Maybe they will send Strelkov there?

They will send you, damn it! Come on, "not enough strength." Shuruy into the militia, take Mariupol. Or sit back and do not argue, fucking strategist.

I appeal to everyone: have a boundary of understanding about what you can star and what not.

[nicollider]

Take it, zzz.

[Sid.74]

From LJ http://ivanoctober.livejournal.com/?skip=10

Soon VSN will replenish a little with "Shilki".
I can only comment on this news http://www.vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-9651.htm this way: the main thing is that at least one little thing gets to the VSN, and there they will pour more fertilizers, and then, in in good hands, and it will grow up to "Tunguska" or "Pantsir". But seriously, I'll add my own 5 kopecks: I myself did not serve on an awl, but I know that when firing, 2 shells were fired in a queue and nothing like that, at an APC with a standard of 18 shells they gave 4-5 bursts. The defeat of the infantry in adobe-type houses was almost 100% with a fairly low consumption of ammunition, it must be taken into account that there is a standard packing of 3 fragmentation, 1 armor-piercing and all tracer and a constant possibility of adjusting fire.
In total, the BC, these are 2000 shells on 480 and 520 in the tape, is charged using TZM quite quickly somewhere 10 min, the tape is charged using the machine almost instantly, it took more time to open the zinc and remove the tape from the machine.

[Alekseev]

Quote: Sid.74

then add my 5 cents:

Well, in order to shoot only "on the ground" Shilka in FIG is not needed. ZU 23 * 2 on an armored personnel carrier, a car half as many barrels. But, on the other hand, it is 20 times cheaper and twice as mobile, and more reliable, and more precisely, although there will be no "sea of ​​fire", but there will be quite enough fire, and less ammunition consumption.
Laughter is similar to the opinions of "experts" who think that "weak armor, only 9,2 mm chassis and 8,3 mm turret. According to experts, anti-cumulative screens and other additional protection can be installed on the vehicles."
These same screens and other additional protection are bet on "something very significant." And so only fuck himself.
The overall Shilka is in a firing position, and it naturally shoots only with direct fire, i.e. in the aisles of the target's visibility, it will be vulnerable to everything starting from the PC, not to mention the anti-tank missile system (PTRD), 12,7 mm NSV "Utes", 30-mm 2A42, 82-mm mines, etc., etc.

[Sid.74]

Quote: Alekseev

Well, in order to shoot only "on the ground" Shilka in FIG is not needed. ZU 23 * 2 on an armored personnel carrier, a car half as many barrels. But, on the other hand, it is 20 times cheaper and twice as mobile and reliable.

They do not look at the wrung shilka in the barrel!
But still, militias like this can come in handy!

Quote: Alekseev

The overall Shilka is in a firing position, and it naturally shoots only with direct fire, i.e. in the aisles of the target's visibility, it will be vulnerable to everything starting from the PC, not to mention the anti-tank missile system (PTRD), 12,7 mm NSV "Utes", 30-mm 2A42, 82-mm mines, etc., etc.

Against heavy weapons it will not pull, but here all there "Aidars" at a safe distance tingle well! And against air targets it will probably be more effective! And the shilka can fire from all four machine guns, and from a pair or any of the four. And the Syrians on For buildings, shilka was used quite effectively, hiding the zushka behind buildings!
A flank strike with the participation of "Shilka" somewhere in the sixth minute!

[Alekseev]

Quote: Sid.74

They do not look at the wrung shilka in the barrel!

That's right!

[Manul]

Quote: Sid.74

They do not look at the wrung shilka in the barrel!

They didn’t allow you to put a plus - often too. Although I sincerely laugh at your joke

[kenig1]

They forgot to mention the tank, "eksperd" By the way, when a burst of ZSU 23-4 hits the tank, the tank can be sent for repair, except for the armor it demolishes. As for the fact that the car is more mobile, they made fun of it specifically))).

[Papakiko]

Quote: Alekseev

These same screens and other additional protection are bet on "something very significant." And so only fuck himself. The overall Shilka is in a firing position, and it naturally shoots only with direct fire, i.e. within sight of the target, will be vulnerable to everything

Everything is true and everything is in the eye.
But these equipment will be a clean-up of farms and villages to produce.
The steppe area allows us to be fairly successful against lightly armed groups.
But in general, the article inspired (and, in general, from the circus yellow-black):

[Anatolich]

Well, in order to shoot only "on the ground" Shilka in FIG is not needed.
I object to you a little, maybe for an open battle Shilka may really not be very necessary, but at well-fortified block posts, with good visibility, she has no price. You only need a direction to know where to shoot, everything will be crushed into dust and dust. When he served in Tajikistan, anti-aircraft gunners at the airport were on duty at Shilki. When they tried to shell the airport, one use of Shilka was enough to discourage popping. Can you imagine what is 4000 rounds per minute, 23 mm.? And what remains of the place where these 4000 shots hit. perhaps it would be nice to use Shilka for ambushes as well.

[Olegovi4]

Quote: Anatolich

block posts

on the block it will be blocked (excuse me for the tautology), there is no maneuver. Minami throws.

[Giant thought]

Shilka will be rather weak in open combat, in the fortification a good firing point will come out of it.

[APASUS]

Quote: Giant thought

Shilka will be rather weak in open combat, in the fortification a good firing point will come out of it.

It is very similar in APU to not just technology, that’s all they have. They have an assumption that they want to use it for urban combat.
And one more thing: I see no one named the main disadvantage of this technique - the enormous rate of fire. For this machine, the warehouse with ammunition must travel, and the soldiers stuffed the ribbons for half a day for 20 minutes. At one time, we disconnected 2 barrels otherwise with ammunition ..

[g1v2]

Well, there were only 20 shillers at ukrov, and 15 of them the militia noticed at Artyomovsk, most likely 1 battle and ukrov would not have them.

[starshina78]

I don’t understand - why are there so many advantages in evaluating this news? Are there really so many people in favor of killing militiamen with Shilkami? I do not understand !

[swan]

Because many here are playing "virtual" war. They just want "our Germans to win!"
And once again from the side to look at everything and think - they forget.

[SSR]

Quote: starshina78

I don’t understand - why are there so many advantages in evaluating this news? Are there really so many people in favor of killing militiamen with Shilkami? I do not understand !

I did not put anything into this article, but it touches me when an article is evaluated according to the criterion it is for us + or against us -.
I always try to evaluate the article for 1. Useful information 2. For the relevance of the topic 3. For analysis or resume, so to speak, from the author.

[Aljavad]

I don't understand - why are there so many advantages in evaluating this news? Are there really so many people in favor of killing militiamen with Shilkami? I do not understand

I explain:
Plus-minus is not news. (Your assessment to her is up to one place - she just is and that's it). Rate the ARTICLE! AS it is written, TRUE, or "one woman said", etc.
And who and for what, it is already expressed in comments.

I read you and understood why sensible articles get a bunch of minuses. Someone did not like the topic! Ha ha ha

[Baron Wrangell]

Quote: starshina78

I don’t understand - why so many advantages in evaluating this news?

The advantages of the article are the advantages of the significance of the information on this site. The person (author) found the information, included it in the news feed, and we, as readers, must appreciate the importance of the news, and not what it carries. Not all news is good. Article plus.

From myself I’ll say that in the conditions of the Shilka plain, a good thing, God forbid that luck be on the side of the militias!

[max702]

Tell me what prevents you from putting a "shilka" in a tank turret, removing all air defense equipment by itself, putting a thermal imager and a bigger ammunition tank, here you have a finished BMPT! Why not done I don't know

[Oleg NSK]

what is stopping the tank tower

do not tell ... let the militias take them for themselves ... they need ZSU

[domokl]

Quote: max702

! Why not done I do not know

Because the shilka equipment does not fit into the tank tower And if you increase the tower, then instead of BMPT you get a monster, such as the first English, the beginning of the last century

[Aljavad]

Tell me what prevents you from putting a "shilka" in a tank turret, removing all air defense equipment by itself, putting a thermal imager and a bigger ammunition tank, here you have a finished BMPT! Why not done I don't know

"Tank tower" will come out well, sooo big and heavy (especially if there is also a bigger ammo). This will pull the chassis up and down. The final lido apparatus will not fit into the railroad gauge, or its bridge will not withstand. Like the German Mouse.

[Lohamey Herut]

How to say. The last 3 days before the truce turned out to be a complete disaster for the Russian Federation. The death of the battalion group of the Svir division near Mariupol, the death of the same group from Nizhny near Debaltseve, the night assault by the Ukrainians Telmanovo with the destruction of the mixed Dnieper-Russian garrison and the capture by the Ukrainians of a whole platoon of Chuchkovites during the next repelled assault on the Donetsk airport suggests that the Russian Federation soon saved the remains their expeditionary forces in the Donbass.

[swan]

Where do you find such sources of "information"?

[typhoon7]

You have good grass growing, still a jamb and you will break up several Russian divisions.

[g1v2]

Of course, of course, and the last reserve was laid by the Kremlovsky regiment when they took Donetsk. And the front line in the suburbs passes. So go to bed, my friend, let you dream about how you take Moscow.

[Hort]

But can you see at least photos that exactly confirm your words? Otherwise you are a nonsense get

[APASUS]

Quote: Lohamey Herut

How to say. The last 3 days before the truce turned out to be a complete disaster for the Russian Federation. The death of the battalion group of the Svir division near Mariupol, the death of the same group from Nizhny near Debaltseve, the night assault by the Ukrainians Telmanovo with the destruction of the mixed Dnieper-Russian garrison and the capture by the Ukrainians of a whole platoon of Chuchkovites during the next repelled assault on the Donetsk airport suggests that the Russian Federation soon saved the remains their expeditionary forces in the Donbass.

Here for such ......... (I almost swore) there is a special site, where all the equipment is recorded on the photo and the place of its destruction, as well as belonging to one of the warring parties is recorded there.http://lostarmour.info/
You will be surprised by a lot, I bet that there are no endless columns of 200 cars about which Poroshenko reported

[dkflbvbh]

In general, I wonder why they have not yet been used by either side ...
In Afghanistan, there were good opinions about her and even more convenient to use on turntables than DShK.

[Alexey Lobanov]

Only out of deep despair and lack of the necessary means can a half-blind (in terms of monitoring the battlefield) installation be used against ground forces. Bear-1 was just Sauron's eye compared to the commanders of this car. Cook PTRS, "Shilki" for their sweet in any projection.

[Semen Semyonitch]

Quote: Balbes_I

Well, the militia park is diversifying again thanks to UkrVoentorg.
I think Shilkov will be convenient to mow dill.

Indeed ... Come, choose ... You with a "machine"?

[wow]

In Nikolaev, at the entrance from Voznesensk, there was such a rusty pepelats. For a couple of weeks now, he was taken to "strengthen" ukrovoysk. They dragged the truth on a "rope", the rarity itself was not able to ride.

[Igor Polovodov]

shred ... you wanted to say)

[MEHT]

Soon catapults and siege rams will be launched.

[EvaFerrari]

And slingshots with rubber band from cowards (or trusov)

[sanja.grw]

No, somehow like that

[Russ69]

I hope the militia will also fall, from the dill of the military ...

[enot73]

The installation showed its effectiveness in many armed conflicts: in Vietnam, Africa, the Middle East, during the Iran-Iraq war, in the Persian Gulf region (1991) and in Yugoslavia.

Are they still on the go with the dill? If on the move, then why did they not use it before, but drove the Buki across Donbass? And one more thing: again, due to the cowardice of dill, most likely from these Shiloks, mostly civilians will suffer. It is very convenient to shoot civilian cars from them.

[enot73]

video about Shilka, no comment

[korjik]

I remembered. Hungary "Naderosse" training ground 68-70 years. Shooting. I already wrote about how the Hungarians were shooting all day, now how our Zushki were shooting. They stood below us and everything can be seen as in the theater. With a meteoshare they raised a bag of 300 meters (there is a small hole from the bottom of the hoop on top), dropped it. The task was to shoot at the "parachute landing" As if a giant tearing a tarpaulin, they thought they would tear the bag, fuck. After the unfortunate bag fell, everyone rushed to see what was left of the "parachutist". You will not believe! By the way, I myself was a gunner and I also had to shoot a couple of tasks. The roar of a shot, the stench of burnt gunpowder, smoke, the cannon jumps, what the hell is the target, since the 10 mm cannon - the automatic one pressed the pedal and just give the clips. so they learned to shoot 57 shells once a year, taking into account the fact that he became a gunner in the second year of service, you can still believe we were still anti-aircraft gunners

[Aljavad]

video about Shilka, no comment

Gluttonous! And the accuracy is not impressive ...
Although - the teachings. People are learning ...

[series]

Remembering how they burned in Grozny, it’s not an argument at all, but given the clumsy hands of a fighter-soldier, the situation in general for the junta is not ice ...

[Revolver]

If you consider that the ukrov tank fleet has greatly thinned, which didn’t burn, then the militia captured, and this is better than nothing. As the saying goes, you’ll put cancer on fish and fish.

[sever.56]

Well, then let them blame themselves when they collect the scraps of their accomplices after volleys at them from their own "Tornadoes" and "Hurricanes."

[patriot-rf]

the militia as in that joke will have = not only that the bear had 2 slingshots, now it’ll also have an automaton =, dill khan

[Rimsler2014]

Why should Kiev transfer equipment, it would be better if they immediately give it into the hands of the militias, it will be easier for them, it will not be necessary to repulse the equipment from Ukrov

[Renat]

How dare they use weapons and equipment created by Soviet designers so hated by them.

[mig31]

Naive, you have to give up while you are alive, but all the same, the warriors of the Maidan ...

[forester]

Eh need to fit the militia "Buratino"

[sergey32]

And also BMPT terminator for testing.

[Evil Pole]

Quote: forester

Eh need to fit the militia "Buratino"

Better yet, Sunshine

[Wedmak]

It is planned to continue the slaughter. It’s sad.

[Aljavad]

It is planned to continue the slaughter. It’s sad.

Very sad!
But a similar pathology can only be treated surgically.

[Donskoi]

Here are just discussed on the topvar in comments why "shilki" are not used yet, and so on you - ukroarmiya in advance. This "pepelats" in skillful hands can do a lot of mischief. But it's good that they warned!

[Ivan Tarasov]

Shilka has such weak armor ...
She doesn’t swim, what's the point of using such thin armor?
30 mm, as in Acacia, where else did not go - the shell will fall 15 meters and Khan ZSUShke ...

[Mama_Cholli]

VSU intend to use on the militia ZSU "Shilka"

As I understand it, this is the essence of Poroshenko’s peace plan?

[Tersky]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

As I understand it, this is the essence of Poroshenko’s peace plan?

No, , this is the essence of Poroshenko in the "peaceful" plans of his masters ... For he did not receive the command to plan from Washington.

[Dmitry Donskoy]

And if not only by militia but by settlements such as a village

[Massik]

If this is true and Shilki will use the same meat, there is not much of them. There is at least 1n normal crew ....

[Bronik]

The weapon is serious, but in the crooked hands of ukrovoinov it will only create problems for them.

[511]

Maybe it’s serious in helicopters, and against infantry, and even more so in the battles that the Novorossiysk’s fights are nonsense. BM will replace 10k ZSU. Ammunition for ukrovoyak and civilians will be used up.

[IAlex]

This crap is a real problem for the infantry ...

[avt]

Quote: IAlex

This crap is a real problem for the infantry ...

Aha, if like in the movie "Chapaev" in a mental walk!

Quote: Marssik

. There will be at least 1n normal crew

Who will find on the opposite side m ... covs that will substitute for it, and will not even use RPGs and other long-range, everything that was taken away from ykrops before, including tanks ?? At the beginning they had "Tunguska" in the columns, and what? Iron at ykropov really ends, if such a technique, in the absence of anything low-flying, opponents have gathered to use in the first line! Banderlog, what to take from them. I rushed to the tank with a knife, they tied it up and like a dialogue took place - "What are you?" “The mullah told me that I was invisible to Assad.” So here too - they really believed that “Shilka” is a super weapon against infantry!

[s1н7т]

Quote: avt

,, Shilka "super weapon against infantry

If from an ambush, then yes, like a sawmill.
Once accidentally almost fell under them - PPC, "happiness"!

[Vasek]

Quote: avt

Iron at ykropov really ends

In my opinion, this news says that the Polish-Romanian-Hungarian-Czech-Slovak army decided to establish a stream of junk in Ukraine ...
The Germans and Americans are not in a hurry to officially deliver weapons, but they put pressure on their Youngonat sixes.
It seems like Soviet weapons (read - being in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine), it is not easy to prove the posts.
And under the guise and new American technology, former social partners will be forced to buy.
All this "bringing to NATO standards" reminds me very much of thimblers at the bazaar; sucker is the only one who does not understand that he is being bred.

[Aljavad]

The Germans and Americans are not in a hurry to officially deliver weapons,

So it's up to the AFRICAN! Boomerangs will be sent soon!

[max702]

Here comes a convoy of trucks, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles .. And to them from the flank from a camouflaged position from a distance of 1 km for 1-2 minutes the entire ammunition in 2000 shells .. Do we think it will be effective against enemy infantry and armored vehicles?

[IAlex]

Comrade, you’re laughing in vain, at least think about the question of Shilka’s location in the trench for a tank with circular shelling, especially if several pieces are located in the stronghold of the motorized rifle platoon of the first echelon of the company. Especially if they have occupied a height and well disguised as the background of the area.

Will you be able to approach such a stronghold at 300 meters to land from a grenade launcher into small towers with dagger bombardment? If so, then I doubt it very much, after you go up to 1000 meters you are a corpse, because tanks, Shilki, AGS, SVD and Korda will just ridicule you, if you try to run, then their range is up to 2 km, they are for you so many holes in the ass will make Swiss cheese envy. If you go ahead, there will also be several platoons with AKM and RPK, and there will be more ammunition with shells in their dugout ...

Tell me, what does Shilka have to do with it? Despite the fact that they have a healthy caliber, a rate of fire and a high range, I'm not talking about mobility and circular fire. They just cut the APCs in half with their fire, there’s nothing to say about carcasses ... By the way, you saw some kind of film with lasers. So if this crap starts shooting tracers from a hundred meters into the building, it looks as fantastic as a laser gun and the effect is the same ...

[Vasek]

Quote: IAlex

Will you be able to approach such a stronghold at 300 meters to land from a grenade launcher into small towers with dagger bombardment?

Therefore - first artillery!
Judging by the photos from Ilovaysk, it’s very effective and with terrible consequences for the defenders.

[Massik]

Who will find on the opposite side m ... covs that will substitute for it, and will not even use RPGs and other long-range, everything that was taken away from ykrops before, including tanks ?? At the beginning they had “Tunguska” in the columns, and what? The ykrops really run out of iron, if opponents are going to use such a technique in the absence of anything low-flying in the first line!

Yes, yes, is it a normal crew that will climb into the 1st line?) RPGs, don’t tell me, you’ll get from it for 500 meters, but don’t get where. Okay, the ATGM and him to knock out the tank is not a problem with 3 km. But with 4 trunks you can easily comb any grove or make a colander from a high-rise, along with all the firing points of the enemy inside.

[The Art of War]

Perhaps the warriors will soon apply experience (Shilok) as in Syria!

[wladimir]

This is very serious, the range of fire is large, they will hit from afar, so as not to come closer. At a certain moment, they can play a role in the offensive.
And when defending, you’ll come to hell on 1000m, it’ll sweep away everything.

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: wladimir

And when defending, you’ll come to hell on 1000m, it’ll sweep away everything.

If there are ammunition cars under the ass, and a bunch of trunks!
And if the militia from 1500 meters from the old PTR doesn’t sniff, because the barn is healthy!

[max702]

With 1.5 km from PTR you will not get meters from 300 maybe ..

[Iskander 090]

militia will have mowers soon

[Mama_Cholli]

We have a terminator that has not yet been tested, not like shilke against pehtura.

[fax66]

No, Shilka is a cool thing, but only in skilled hands ...
In addition to weak armor, there is another drawback - a very high rate of ammunition consumption.

[pts-m]

It’s interesting, but it’s like a paper protocol in Bulbashiya. Luka was so proud and then they gathered to sew. Yes, they were rats and they will remain. But as they say God sees someone to offend.

[argon]

The threat of using shilok is rather from hopelessness. Its application provides for close interaction with armored vehicles. Strengthen roadblocks in order to increase the morale of dill?

[Ivan Tucha]

the density of fire is colossal. how it will be used, the question.

[diz1975]

I read the comments ... The people somehow confidently look at the situation in New Russia. I’m worried about something. Dill (by the way, they liked this designation) pull up new forces, they say a lot of mercenaries came in large numbers, especially the Poles. It will be a difficult battle and a hard battle.

[Eggor]

Shilka in Syria (video):

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[Strezhevchanin]

Dear Juntians! Treat your .... that is, our technology carefully and lovingly, take care TO RESOURCE TO GALICIA

[Nahum]

Any "crap" can be effectively dealt with! Shilok's armor is rather weak for a large-caliber machine gun, not to mention other special means of destroying armored vehicles. To fight the infantry, Shilok needs a lot of ammunition.

[vvp2412]

So I wrote about this too!

[zavesa01]

Well, if the tanks are prs ... and then the shilkas are definitely delayed.

[Roman 1977]

Quite a smart idea. remember Afghanistan and the famous "shaitan-arba" -ZSU-23-4M2 - the modernization of the ZSU-23-4 for use in mountainous conditions. The RPK was excluded from the installation, due to which the ammunition load of shells was increased from 2000 to 3000 pieces, night vision equipment was introduced for firing at night at ground targets. Automatic cannon fire effectively acted both against openly located manpower and against light shelters. In particular, clay dwelling houses and agricultural buildings were easily destroyed. "Spirits" did not even attack the columns, accompanied by "Shilki"

Even now Shilki is actively working in Syria:


We can also recall the use of the 30-mm ZSU M-53/59 "Prague" in Yugoslavia, and by all parties to the conflict, which, due to the lack of air targets, has become one of the most effective means of supporting infantry units.

[Moskvich]

It’s good for her to keep the sector. No one will come out.
Although ... a mine can cover.

[Stinger]

Oh well! And if you put on a cart? And speed and maneuverability will increase significantly.

[i80186]

Quote: Stinger

Oh well! And if you put on a cart? And speed and maneuverability will increase significantly.

Actually, everyone does this.

True, Shilka - she’s already a tachanka by herself, but ZU-23-2 is also quite wow. Recognized by all.

[builder]

Quote: i80186

Actually, everyone does this.

[Roman 1977]

I liked the last Iranian pepelats-Sadad - the upgraded BTR-60PB with a remotely controlled ZU-23 installed instead of the tower.

Simple and tasteful. Firstly, the firepower of the old BTR-60PB was sharply enhanced, and secondly, a good use of outdated equipment.
Of course, it’s bad to aim at such a camera, and it is protected only from stones. The first is a sniper bullet, optionally in a glass and a kayak.

But all the same, it’s not bad, for shooting Islamist carts and light armored vehicles it will do!

[vodolaz]

Just to primitiveness: they throw into the battle everything that remains and can ride.

[Nikaviz]

"Truce ... !!!! ???" Anyone believe it ... ??? If it had not been for this "smoke break" in Kiev, things would have been collected by maydanuty ... Politicians play the fate of people ... HARM as in time of the 1st Chechen ... On the junta’s hand ...

[Thunderbolt]

Shilka is capable of significantly increasing the firepower of infantry subdivisions. The main thing is not to substitute, to act a little from afar - "on call" of the infantry in the attack or from prepared positions in the defense. Soviet designers taught her to sting very well.

[Barakuda]

Shilka for ground targets - HORROR! God forbid to experience it on your own skin. Hopefully we will take it away, or we will burn it. And the shooting is going on, many subdivisions have laid down on the scab with his decrees ... I got it on the "teapot" myself, the helmet of '43 saved me.

[Donskoi]

Good luck, bro! Take care of yourself! But shilka themselves are unlikely to be allowed, only with armor or will be dug. Grad is the best cure for such things ...

[Anchonsha]

The creatures do not understand that the same weapon will be used against themselves. Really do not even understand the military who went through the war in Afghanistan. Oh-ho-ho, apparently the roof of the teachers and these idiots-Obama monstrous demolished.

[Mountain shooter]

There are enough cords in the militia. As far as I understand, this "Shilka" will be taken right through. The militia is not going to advance in chains. They have poor visibility, you need target designation, and you can't get enough ammunition. Yes, and mortars are covered at once. And driving in one under fire and even shooting - iron nerves are needed. So far, these have not been observed in the Ukrop army.

[Everest2014]

When will I wait for the infernal prodigies of powderedugent from the Kiev train depot?

[shelva]

The truce will not last long, the dill themselves will be the first to break it. One must also be prepared for this when resuming hostilities, it would be good to excommunicate dill from the Sea of ​​Azov. Give Mariupol!

[SSR]

Quote: shelva

The truce will not last long, the dill themselves will be the first to break it. One must also be prepared for this when resuming hostilities, it would be good to excommunicate dill from the Sea of ​​Azov. Give Mariupol!

And on the other hand, the dill begins to wander here, time can play a cruel joke with the "great strategists" themselves, the people will learn more and more about the situation, including from the released prisoners, well, the cold would be faster, they will definitely not want to freeze without rotation for a long time, all the more that many are mobilized.

[AIR ZNAK]

They are preparing to use the Truce to tighten reserves. They also want to drop what was on conservation. The proposal to grant special status to certain areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions is exactly what ANYTHING does not suit. Moreover, Porosenko’s legislative proposal is happy with the previous composition even if the filed will not work. And all sides understand this and are preparing in their own way .. Here only the leadership of Little Russia is preparing for the winter as well. And the pig looks like only for war

[Aljavad]

the leadership of Little Russia is also preparing for the winter And the piglet seems only to war

For that and a truce!

[Belarus]

It was correctly said that for the sensible use of the Zilka ZSU, close cooperation with the infantry is necessary, at least. In other words, the punitive interaction is lame, so we are waiting for deliveries of this ZSU to the ranks of the militia.

[MAXUZZZ]

judging by the video, the scatter of shells is such that the infantry only mow on the march and ricochets strongly, I hope that after the first BC is used up, Shilka will be immediately and solemnly transferred to the militia as more in need of armament.

[nik39reg]

Pancake! With proper use ...., a serious thing !!! The thing works up to 2 km, it is vulnerable almost only when reloading the BC, or if there is, which can cover it at a distance of more than 2 km. It’s better to destroy it before it burns. Schaub you did not start - dill !!!

[Iskras]

Quote: Balbes_I

Well, the militia park is diversifying again thanks to UkrVoentorg.
I think Shilkov will be convenient to mow dill.

I laughed heartily! That's right!

[wanderer_032]

"Shilka" is a powerful thing, if used correctly.
Horseradish news. It seems that the juntas are trying to break everything that has survived.

[vorchyn_ymka]

some kind of window dressing ... in the city there is armor and no cover .... okay at a distance and the tank is with a memory for a couple ...

[jekasimf]

If the militia from the SVD tanks break through the self-propelled guns, then what will happen to these WILKS?

[Roman 1977]

The installation showed its effectiveness in many armed conflicts: in Vietnam, Africa, the Middle East, during the Iran-Iraq war, in the Persian Gulf region (1991) and in Yugoslavia.

And dear authors of the article, stop carrying the bullshit, diligently transferring it from each other about "Shilki" in Yugoslavia. Well, "Shilka" was not used there, it was not used ...
The USSR offered the ZSU-23-4 "Shilka" to the Yugoslavs, but in 1969 they chose the Czechoslovakian "Prague" M-53/59. Moreover, they not only adopted it, but also began to produce it under license by the forces of the Yugoslav industry. By the early 1980s, JNA received 789 ZSU. "Prague" were attached to the mixed artillery and missile air defense divisions of the ground brigades of the Yugoslav army. Each such division, among other weapons, received 12 M53 / 59. "Prague" periodically underwent modernization, there were several projects that involved a significant strengthening of these ZSU by installing new engines, new sights, etc. But the collapse of Yugoslavia forced the military to abandon such plans.

In addition to "Prague", on the basis of the BOV armored personnel carrier, the BOV-3 ZSU was developed, equipped with a licensed version of the Hispano-Suiza HS804 gun - the M55 A4B1 cannon. Rate of fire - 750 rounds per minute. The effective firing range at ground targets is 2000 meters, at air targets - 1500 meters. A significant disadvantage of the ZSU was the placement of stores for 60 shells each on top of the guns. Thus, reloading from the inside was not possible. The rest of the ammunition from 22 stores was in the tower. It is equipped with a J-171 telescopic sight.

At present, the Serbs have modernized it, re-equipping it with 2 packages of 4 Strela-2M MANPADS, produced under license.

The BOV-30 is a prototype BTR air defense with a double-mounted 30-mm gun. In mass production did not go, it was produced only a few copies.

And from the Soviet ZSU ZSU-57-2 100 units were used which units were delivered from the USSR during the period from 1960 to 1961 year. And the last time ZSU was used to repel NATO aggression in the 1999 year.

And yet, if someone shows a photo taken in Yugoslavia with "Shilka", I'm ready to apologize ...

[Moskvich]

Foolish Vesch.
The main thing is not to stand nearby, otherwise the shot sleeve in the pants can pop up. :)))
and oh, what a hot one.

[vvp2412]

But a small ammunition load for working against ground targets - is this not calculated? Up to 1000 rounds per minute per barrel! Those. with 4 barrels it can fire for no more than 15-20 seconds. At least no more than 2-3 minutes! And then that’s it. The car is helpless!

[i80186]

Well, the Kalashnikov assault rifle also has 650 rounds per minute. Let there be eight magazines, each for 4 seconds (with reload), half a minute and that’s it - the fighter is helpless. So what?

[Vasek]

Quote: i80186

Let there be eight magazines, each for 4 seconds (with reload), half a minute and that’s it - the fighter is helpless.

In 4 seconds the store will have a soldering iron out of the barrel!

[i80186]

500 shots in 20 seconds from a 23mm cannon, the barrels will generally fall to the ground.

[screw cutter]

A short salvo at point-blank range at a tank and the tank is blind, it will break all the optics and cut off all the protruding parts. This is the same as using MANPADS at ground targets, everything will be cut off by its destructive elements.

[brdnxela]

Do you think the tank will be point-blank in front of the ZSU without optics?

[mark2]

What kind of "Bulletin of Mordovia" is this? Where is Mordovia and where is Ukraine? What kind of provincial newspaper provides information that is not supported by anything. ZSU "Shilka"... Well, they will use it. I'm surprised they haven't used it yet. In short, stuffing is done by everyone who is not too lazy.

[Barboskin]

Shilka is a serious technique, there is no point in many people being ironic here. In terms of manpower and lightly armored vehicles, horseradish is not enough. The question is, do they have the brains to use it correctly?

[brdnxela]

Given the disgusting situation with material support and taking into account the age of the ZSU, the effectiveness of its use is highly doubtful

[wanderer987]

The brilliant idea of ​​the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to drive to the east Shilki eats up a lot of ammunition + the servants will take someone prisoner and 20 tons of iron will be useful for the new economy of the East!

[RUSLAT]

This means serious problems in the Ukrainian Armed Forces with equipment if the air defense went to the first line. A little more and the cavalry with carts will appear.....

[ivanovich]

Our services could transfer the ZSU-57 to the militia as a countermeasure against Shilok, a very powerful weapon against armored vehicles, fires at 12 km. for ground targets, in the West no one would even talk about Russian weapons because This is Soviet technology. I had a chance to observe the firing of a ZSU...one hit by a shell and an armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle is already rubbish; it definitely knocks out a tank in the stern or side, plus a fire if the shooting is carried out with armor-piercing incendiary shells, and shooting at infantry and shelters, then the means are better in terms of power, the range and rate of fire cannot be found, they chop it all up like dill and nothing more.

[seregatara1969]

shilka shilka - our DShKs were given a lot of cartridges for them

[TOR2]

Quote: ivanovich

Our services could transfer ZSU-57 to the militia as a countermeasure against Shilok

The only positive point in the article is the opportunity to expand the range of military stores. How much of this preserved goodness is lost.

[Prussian]

This war has already been called a war of large calibers. The tasks that Shilka is capable of performing in this war tend to zero.

[DPN]

And in general, the point is not in “SILKA”, but in the fact that Parashenko probably deceived everyone, after the truce there will be a real massacre, with the help of the WEST.

[Dmitry Donskoy]

I personally have no doubt that there will be a massacre and it’s scary...

[pvv113]

Judging by the scale of the recent losses of armored vehicles, the Ukrainian command has apparently decided to use Shilkas for fire support of ground units.

We haven’t heard anything about the catapult from the Maidan. Or do the dill protect it as a weapon of the main blow?

[special]

Quote: IAlex

Will you be able to approach such a stronghold at 300 meters to land from a grenade launcher into small towers with dagger bombardment?

What about artillery and mortars?

[Azovian]

Is it possible to drive a lawnmower like a car every day around the city? Yes, it seems possible. But why? So is the ZSU 23-4. It's anti-aircraft, self-propelled! By plane! Well, yes, you can cut sausage with a hacksaw. But there is a knife...

[Ronino]

It seems to me that the Ukrainians will overwhelm some other civilian aircraft with such a toy! Europe must be warned!

[cat hippopotamus]

Rapid fire thingy, 16 rounds per second per barrel, liquid cooled. If you alternate armor-piercing incendiary weapons with explosive ones, the effect is impressive; they were used in Afghanistan in spirit, those holed up in the cracks between the stones themselves ran out after the salvo, those who survived. Fragments and crushed stones were ricocheting in all directions; there was no way to take cover.

[Vyacheslav 64]

Quote: Lohamey Herut

How to say. The last 3 days before the truce turned out to be a complete disaster for the Russian Federation. The death of the battalion group of the Svir division near Mariupol, the death of the same group from Nizhny near Debaltseve, the night assault by the Ukrainians Telmanovo with the destruction of the mixed Dnieper-Russian garrison and the capture by the Ukrainians of a whole platoon of Chuchkovites during the next repelled assault on the Donetsk airport suggests that the Russian Federation soon saved the remains their expeditionary forces in the Donbass.

Where did you get such nonsense, H.E.R. ut? nothing less than a censor?

[s30461]

Are there any specialists in suppressing such objects? Which forum member has encountered Shilka in battle in practice? Share your practical experience. The guys will find it useful.

[chaldon]

“Tornadoes”, “Hurricanes”, “Tochka”, “Bulat”, etc. did not save the junta. , even “Shilka” will not save you. The lack of truth and brains in the heads of the “Maidanuts” cannot be compensated for by any technology. Sooner or later, victory will be for the DPR, I would like it sooner and with little bloodshed,

[staryivoin]

Soon the Armed Forces of Ukraine Ruins will be armed with bows and arrows, Maxim machine guns and sabers to repel fire strikes of the militia. After all, they really say “the new is the well forgotten old.”

[olhon]

As far as I understand from the comments, Shilka is almost in service with the VSN)))

[romashki74]

The dill need such weapons. And the militias will not take them away and will warm you in the cold winter.....

[Matrosov]

And by the way, the car is not bad, it’s very good against armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, an infantry fighting vehicle may not be able to take it head-on at distances, there is a possibility of a ricochet, but it’s very good against the side. In principle, it will cause problems even for a tank.
Just as they wrote correctly, consider the armor to be gone, a burst of KPVT from a simple armored personnel carrier will complete the combat journey of this vehicle. Anti-cumulative screens will not save you, because the jet stream is only dispersed by them, and not completely removed, and with such a thickness of armor, an under-barrel grenade launcher is dangerous. What is needed is just steel sheets for the tower, then there will be at least some chance.
The main thing for the militia is not to let these shredding machines work, otherwise the losses in manpower could be very serious.

[valentina-makanalina]

Ukrainians will soon begin to pull guns and cannonballs from museums to the east. There aren't enough reserves.
And for the militia, this is even a very good thing for fighting low-flying targets, light armored vehicles and infantry.