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Tank units of the Ukrainian security forces have a lack of dynamic protection

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Recently, observers and military experts began to note a reduction in dynamic protection (DZ), called in the West "reactive armor", on the frontal projections of some Ukrainian tanks to a minimum level. It is reported Messenger of Mordovia.

The publication writes that Ukrainian tankers are forced to "remove" boxes "DZ" Contact-1 "from frontal projections, just to protect the tanks from impact from the rear."

Tank units of the Ukrainian security forces have a lack of dynamic protection
DZ was enough only for the back of the tower.

This decision, apparently, prompted the experience of the last battles: many cars were hit in the back of the tower.

The publication concludes: dynamic protection becomes a deficit in Ukrainian tank divisions. At the beginning of the ATO, it was enough to cover all the projections - sides, forehead and stern.

“The fact is that the Ukrainian armed forces for all the years of independence have not updated the reserves of this very“ reactive armor ”, although the production facilities of the DZ“ Kontakt-1 ”and“ Kontakt-5 ”in Ukraine were, in particular, at the Donetsk plant chemical products ", - explain the authors of the article. True, this enterprise worked mainly for export, fulfilling orders for Georgia, South Sudan, Ethiopia, Congo and other countries.

According to experts, the “modernization” carried out by Ukrainian tankers can only have a psychological effect, and is unlikely to protect the vehicle from modern anti-tank weapons, which easily affects the aft projection of tanks.

This T-64BV was left without DZ at all.
Photos used:
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  1. Good cat
    Good cat 10 September 2014 15: 33
    +8
    Good news!
    1. volot-voin
      volot-voin 10 September 2014 15: 49
      +5
      Quote: Good cat
      Good news!

      Rather, they will understand that in this war they are meat and for their lives no one will give a penny.
    2. crazyrom
      crazyrom 10 September 2014 15: 49
      +9
      The main thing is constantly showing photos of the broken tanks on which 70-80% dz are working, I don’t want to twist. But they already went to the militia hehe
      1. Kars
        Kars 10 September 2014 15: 59
        +2
        Quote: crazyrom
        The main thing is constantly showing photos of the broken tanks on which 70-80% dz workers,

        Do you have X-ray vision? What do you see from the photo of the boxes they are equipped with or not?
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak 10 September 2014 16: 42
          +3
          Quote: Kars
          Do you have x-ray vision?


          SW Kars, to which you can be without formalities hi

          Is there any way to comment on such an info with ViM:

          For four months of fighting in the Donbass, junta troops, according to the headquarters of the DPR, lost 43 thousand people.

          Of these, 27 were killed or wounded, at least 888 deserted or went missing. The largest losses in battles were suffered by the "Right Sector" - over 13 killed and wounded.
          Most of them were part of the Ukrainian National Guard. The battalions "Dnepr", "Donbass", "Chernigov", "Aydar", "Azov", "Kherson" and others lost 6168 people in killed and wounded.
          SBU - 115 people.
          460 foreign mercenaries were killed and wounded.
          More than others, the Polish ASBS Othago (194 people) and the American Asademi (160) were missing. The losses of the Armed Forces amounted to 14 troops. Killed 889 employees of US intelligence agencies - the FBI and the CIA.

          In four months, Kiev lost 43 aircraft (including the Polish and Croatian Su-25), 22 helicopters, and six drones.

          The militia managed to destroy 448 tanks, 827 armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and BMDs, 37 Grads, 19 Hurricanes and about 100 pieces of artillery of various calibers, including 40 mortars, as well as several hundred vehicles, according to data from the DPR headquarters.
          1. Kars
            Kars 10 September 2014 17: 49
            +2
            I don’t know for people, but armored vehicles are lies. We’ll divide it on 3 and it will be normal.
            By the way, no one saw a photo of 4 240 mm self-propelled mortars Tulip which a month ago, near Donetsk, people captured roofing felts of demon roofing felts.
            1. Cherdak
              Cherdak 11 September 2014 14: 04
              0
              Quote: Kars
              lies

              Thank. I understood where the information was sucked from
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 10 September 2014 16: 43
          -1
          I think all the boxes are empty. Apparently, this special explosive for DZ is a deficiency.
          It is strange that the Russian T-72B (which is more and more among the militias) so
          poorly covered from the sides of the DZ (like the Syrians, for example) ...
          The RPG-7 hits an unprotected side easily.
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 September 2014 17: 09
          +2
          Quote: Kars

          Do you have x-ray vision?

          Kars, are there Hungarian gifts in the photo?
          1. Kars
            Kars 10 September 2014 17: 53
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Kars, are there Hungarian gifts in the photo?

            In which photo? On the title page?
            And by the way, you still got a chance
          2. enot73
            enot73 10 September 2014 18: 48
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Kars, are there Hungarian gifts in the photo?
            Dill junk. Early 64 - ka, without DZ. T - 64 was not exported at all.
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    3. Juborg
      Juborg 10 September 2014 15: 49
      +7
      Well, that fat, fat! Probably we should wait for the speech of the Minister of Defense of Ukraine, Russia and the masses are to blame for everything, they systematically deprived our defense tanks and destroyed the plant, and incredibly no one in Ukraine will be interested in the essence of the things described in the article.
      Such is their essence; a neighbor is always to blame.
      1. sergey32
        sergey32 10 September 2014 15: 54
        +8
        Well, now at meetings, in addition to bulletproof vests, they will also require DZ. Don't worry, parents of tankers buy at their own expense and send in parcels.
    4. enot73
      enot73 10 September 2014 15: 52
      +3
      It remains only to wind the tanks with spare tracks (although the tracks probably also end) and screens, as the Nazi idols did. However, IMHO nothing will help.
    5. max702
      max702 10 September 2014 16: 09
      +10
      True, this enterprise worked mainly for export, fulfilling orders for Georgia, South Sudan, Ethiopia, Congo
      Here are the Ukrainians, gentlemen, your place in the world register after the godforsaken countries of Africa .. Yes, those banana generals took care of their soldiers, unlike your "leaders" ... 23 years of selling everything and everyone, and you pay with your lives for greed and the stupidity of your elite !! Hotch what am I talking about? Etozh Putin is to blame that the ukrovorye destroyed everything and everyone ... well, then ...
    6. Evilcat
      Evilcat 10 September 2014 19: 59
      0
      Well, it's like someone. It is not clear one thing - what for Donetsk was to roll artillery?
      And it is doubtful that DZ only in Donetsk were riveted. But what about the Pavlograd Himmash?
  2. albi77
    albi77 10 September 2014 15: 34
    +11
    Apparently they still remain without ammunition ...

    1. Telakh
      Telakh 10 September 2014 15: 35
      +15
      Yellow-blue paint without dynamic protection is easier to apply to the body.
    2. Altona
      Altona 10 September 2014 15: 54
      +2
      Quote: albi77
      Apparently they still remain without ammunition ...


      They left too many trophies ... Didn’t they resist chtoli at all? Almost nothing was shot ...
      1. YARUSSIAN39
        YARUSSIAN39 10 September 2014 16: 43
        +2
        maybe they’ve freshly delivered, and the militias recaptured
    3. maxxdesign
      maxxdesign 10 September 2014 16: 17
      +3
      and all this was meant for civilians on their heads! and thank god now all this will fly to dill!
  3. fvandaku
    fvandaku 10 September 2014 15: 35
    0
    They plundered * the Soviet legacy *, but their own mute.
    1. Altona
      Altona 10 September 2014 19: 44
      0
      Quote: fvandaku
      They plundered * the Soviet legacy *, but their own mute.

      --------------------------
      "Lend-Lease" from NATO went, though thin ...))
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  5. pomegranate
    pomegranate 10 September 2014 15: 35
    +2
    Soon the soldiers will begin to throw into the battle with a grenade in their hands without a check
    1. Telakh
      Telakh 10 September 2014 15: 43
      +11
      They are Ukrainian! Cope: D
  6. Balbes_I
    Balbes_I 10 September 2014 15: 35
    +3
    Let the militia be offered to change the defense to battle-worthy tanks, judging by the pictures the militia has surpluses. Or just let the militia surrender tanks that have no protection.
  7. ispaniard
    ispaniard 10 September 2014 15: 36
    +17
    The name is what -Not for pennies and for the land !!! ...
    Yes, with such a motto and dynamic protection is not necessary, it is immediately necessary - PREPARE FOR THE EARTH (Doctor of Philosophy V. Klitschko).
    1. enot73
      enot73 10 September 2014 16: 00
      +6
      Quote: ispaniard
      The name is what -Not for pennies and for the land !!
      Well, they would have fought for their own, because they want to take the land from the Russian people for the Americans and Kolomoisky.
  8. givigor71
    givigor71 10 September 2014 15: 38
    +1
    no dynamic protection for tanks, no ammunition, no grub - it pleases ... laughing
    1. enot73
      enot73 10 September 2014 16: 30
      +1
      Quote: givigor71
      no dynamic protection for tanks, no ammunition, no grub - it pleases
      Soon, we are looking forward to progress in this matter: neither armored personnel carriers, nor tanks, nor artillery, nor aircraft laughing This will please even more.
  9. Finches
    Finches 10 September 2014 15: 41
    +10
    "Tank subunits of the Ukrainian security forces are experiencing a deficit of dynamic protection" - this is not the worst misfortune of Ukraine, the whole nation is experiencing a deficit of common sense !!
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 10 September 2014 16: 02
      +5
      My idea was born. It is necessary for Banderlogs to throw a thought that for better protection, you can put dynamic protection on body armor. wassat
  10. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 10 September 2014 15: 41
    +1
    At this stage, in the history of the armored forces in the confrontation "shell-armor", it turns out that the first one wins. And this is sad, judging by the video of the burnt-out T-64s. And these are our tanks. There is a reason for experts to think. The same goes for the Abrams in Iraq.
    Sorry, just my opinion, as a dealer of tank troops, but their "fan".
    1. Bombardier
      Bombardier 10 September 2014 15: 48
      +8
      "Projectile" wins armor and wins almost always. It's just that the development of armor is not comparable to the development of a "projectile" either in time or in cost. Another thing is the need for personnel who could skillfully use both the "shell" and the armor, and it is better to use the armor for its intended purpose and in full interaction with motorized rifle units covered by aviation.
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    2. max702
      max702 10 September 2014 16: 17
      +1
      Pay attention to what remains as a result of the defeat precisely from the T-64 .. A pile of torn metal, this is strange, is it really that something from a very large caliber flew into each? No matter how it is a mistake of the designers of the KhTZ plant where it was developed .. Yes, the T72 burns and sometimes the towers fly off, but there’s a terrible sight here ..
  11. Akvadra
    Akvadra 10 September 2014 15: 42
    +3
    There are also heating radiators, bed nets, fence shtaketin, millet wattle. Maybe it will help psychologically. The militia will not be able to take aim from laughter.
  12. Alekseev
    Alekseev 10 September 2014 15: 45
    +2
    Quote: givigor71
    no dynamic protection for tanks, no ammunition, no grub - it pleases ...

    Yes, it really pleases, because the lack of everything is the only way to understand, to stop "jumping", to get out of the national-Bandera frenzy and start life anew. yes
    It is possible, and independent, in some part of the territory that will remain from modern Ukraine, but without nationalist anti-Russian quacks.
  13. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 10 September 2014 15: 47
    0
    Now the bulletproof vest must be placed on the future Ukrainian flag.
  14. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 10 September 2014 15: 49
    +1
    Tank units of the Ukrainian security forces have a lack of dynamic protection

    They experience brain deficiency. If there were brains, they would have turned to Kiev a long time ago!
  15. Freeway_3007
    Freeway_3007 10 September 2014 15: 51
    0
    Tin, the junta does not spare even its own soldiers: throwing tanks into battle without DZ is a crime.
    1. Drednout
      Drednout 10 September 2014 16: 48
      +1
      Personally, I will not say, but a classmate from the Urals loaded the first Chechen tanks "on Grozny" without reactive armor. They promised to complete it there.
      Now show me at least one punished with us for this crime!
      Ukraine now is a crooked reflection of us in the past and a reminder of what we turned into not so long ago.
  16. mig31
    mig31 10 September 2014 15: 53
    +1
    Wherever they put DZ - there is no national wrath of salvation, and in the tail and in the mane they beat, beat and will beat until the last fascist ...
  17. Everest2014
    Everest2014 10 September 2014 15: 54
    +10
    The secret of a small amount of dynamic protection and not a secret at all. Good dill on the tank demolished this plant under the root :) Peremoga!
  18. MSA
    MSA 10 September 2014 15: 55
    0
    Quote: volot-voin

    volot-voin


    Today, 15: 49

    ↑ ↓ New


    Quote: Good cat Good news! Rather, they will understand that in this war they are meat and no one will give a penny for their lives.

    But in fact, the way it is ...
  19. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 10 September 2014 15: 59
    +13
    KDZ is nonsense. Cold nights will soon begin (if they have not already begun) and 64-k combat readiness will drop significantly.
    Because of the "good" 2-stroke 5-TDF diesel engine, most tanks will either be launched according to a special old recipe, which does not have the best effect on the service life of diesel engines, or they will start from the tug.
    Then the fun itself will begin. wink
    And in winter it will generally be a complete "akhtung", because. the oil in the transmission will begin to freeze at night, the goslings will freeze to the ground and the tanks will stop starting even from the tug. yes
    MH tools with hydraulics will begin to make the brain too. And not at all to KDZ, it’ll become dill tankers. laughing
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 10 September 2014 19: 24
      +4
      From an old recipe for launching a 5-TDF diesel engine for a mech-water tank T-64:

      The drafters of the TO-TEE TO-64 apparently thought that having read their work, the mechanical driver would limit himself to these recommendations. But the company’s senior mechanic is grated kalach (and they don’t put others in this position). He knows that if at least one tank does not start up independently, then the ZKV company will be dripping on his brains for a very long time, remembering a mistake in place and out of place. If then this tank is not started by external means, then the senior mechanic’s driver will definitely have a vacation, and he will go on a demobilization with the last plane.
      From these considerations, the senior driver makes a simple and unambiguous conclusion: PERE is better than NEDO. And he shows all the drivers three fingers with a fan. This means: flare heating, double oil injection, air intake.
      The driver mechanics, with an unbroken hand, press the starter button, press twice on the oil injection switch, and then on the air release lever. Compressed air rushes under tremendous pressure into the cylinders, where it meets sprayed oil. Any student will say that such a hellish mixture inevitably gives an explosion. Correctly! If you stand next to the tank at this moment, you get the impression that a big mine exploded inside the car: a loud pop is heard, the body shudders, a long tongue of flame breaks out of the ejector. If something (or someone) is behind the ejector, then this object (or person) is littered with a continuous layer of oil, densely seasoned with soot.
      Needless to say, the method of starting a barbaric and healthy engine is not conducive. However, the task has been completed, all tanks are roaring with engines, mechvody - on horseback. Once this barbarism hiccups to someone else. But the current mechvody for a long time will be in the civilian with a smile to leaf through the demobilization album. Unfortunately, neither the T-64 designers, nor the TOIE drafters even thought about such realities of the Soviet Army. laughing

      You can read more about the operation of T-64 tanks in the troops here:
      http://forums.airbase.ru/2007/11/t58465--realii-sluzhby-v-tankovykh-chastyakh-o-
      tankakh-i-lyudyakh.html # p1326651
  20. sever.56
    sever.56 10 September 2014 16: 04
    +3
    "Everything is already stolen. Before them."
  21. Lyton
    Lyton 10 September 2014 16: 06
    +3
    I’m all surprised by the fact that the militia man managed to seize two dill tanks from the Utes, that in one, the ammunition exploded.
  22. Nina Zima
    Nina Zima 10 September 2014 16: 07
    +9
    "Rocket sea air sea air and back to the torpedo tube))))
    1. navara399
      navara399 10 September 2014 17: 07
      +4
      Rocket class: Who does not jump that m.o.s.c.a.l.
  23. Pupon63
    Pupon63 10 September 2014 16: 09
    +2
    Let the military registration and enlistment offices together with the call organize another collection of fat from the population and lay tanks around them! It’s always in abundance in Ukraine! laughing
    1. igordok
      igordok 10 September 2014 17: 11
      +1
      Quote: Pupon63
      collecting lard from the population and tank them

      Shells and cumulative jets will slide without touching armor. soldier
  24. Imperial
    Imperial 10 September 2014 16: 10
    +1
    DZ "Contact-1" and "Contact-5" plant in Donetsk, DZ "Knife" like Kiev.
  25. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 10 September 2014 16: 12
    0
    Title of the article as a joke ...
  26. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 10 September 2014 16: 14
    +3
    The fact is that the bulk of Ukrainian tanks and all tanks for export were supplied with new EDZ 4S20, 4S22 produced by the Donetsk Chemical Products Plant. In the last few years, deliveries have been carried out with HSCHKV devices ("Knife", "Duplet").

    And the plant in Donetsk was seized by the militia on June 29. With a shelf life of the 4C20 and 4C22 devices with which Ukrainian tanks are equipped for 10 years, it is highly probable that the protective characteristics of the EDZ will decrease. In addition, the plant produces all kinds of explosives for every taste, ammunition and missiles (including tandem warheads for "Kombat", "Stugna", "Barrier", etc.). In general, dill were left without DZ and missiles.
    Products of Donetsk Chemical Products Plant

    Repair, updating (restoration) of ammunition

    Ammunition disposal

    Ammunition and missile assembly

    Obama at the Donetsk factory of state-owned chemical products.
    Taken:
    http://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/283085.html
    1. Drednout
      Drednout 10 September 2014 16: 53
      +2
      Quote: Novel 1977
      Obama at the Donetsk factory of state-owned chemical products.

      So what is the reason for the evil trouble !!! Apparently they offended the Obama region at the time. Avenging Macaque.
  27. MEHT
    MEHT 10 September 2014 16: 16
    +2
    Quote: sergey32
    Well, now at meetings, in addition to bulletproof vests, they will also require DZ. Don't worry, parents of tankers buy at their own expense and send in parcels.

    Yeah and then still bury at their own expense
  28. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 10 September 2014 16: 20
    0
    Quote: Bombardier
    "Projectile" wins armor and wins almost always. It's just that the development of armor is not comparable to the development of a "projectile" either in time or in cost. Another thing is the need for personnel who could skillfully use both the "shell" and the armor, and it is better to use the armor for its intended purpose and in full interaction with motorized rifle units covered by aviation.

    And if your nickname was for example Shield? )))
    The projectile did not always defeat the armor, as for example with the T-III version of the 75 mm gun vs KV-1, KV-2.

    But partly you are right, a tank can also be pierced with a piece of cheese, though for this you need to disperse it to about the first space one.
    1. Bombardier
      Bombardier 10 September 2014 16: 54
      +1
      I do not want to argue, and I wrote that almost always. The "tiger" was created and immediately (not in one day, of course) "St. John's wort" were created - that's what I meant.
  29. Consul-t
    Consul-t 10 September 2014 16: 22
    +1
    The publication writes that Ukrainian tankers are forced to "remove" boxes "DZ" Contact-1 "from frontal projections, just to protect the tanks from impact from the rear."


    Often dope, that's what they get from the rear
  30. Russ69
    Russ69 10 September 2014 16: 23
    +1
    Militia tanks, again T-72B3? And not one ...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 10 September 2014 16: 38
      0
      Close high-explosive shell burst?

      And why on Russian T72B3 do not put DZ on the sides?
      1. Mayer1980
        Mayer1980 10 September 2014 19: 18
        +1
        judging by the photo it worked
        1. Kars
          Kars 10 September 2014 19: 30
          +2
          There is no DZ and a ZIP box. Here it is not. Or a fugue, or something like Flies or the first RPG-7
  31. MEHT
    MEHT 10 September 2014 16: 27
    +2
    With the skill with which dill handed over their equipment to the militias, soon the tank units of the Ukrainian security forces would be in short supply of tanks. good
    1. YARUSSIAN39
      YARUSSIAN39 10 September 2014 16: 48
      0
      at such a pace then, they will always have difficitis: DD
  32. slovak007
    slovak007 10 September 2014 16: 32
    0
    In the photo of the tank: AZ - does this mean Azerbaijan?!?
  33. Powder
    Powder 10 September 2014 16: 33
    0
    Quote: albi77
    Apparently they still remain without ammunition ...


    And this is not the first show of abandoned ammunition depots ukrov.
    We had everything, and then it was gone. The poor outskirts are arming their opponents.
    And the militias need to move to Galicia.
    The rudeness of the presidential entourage is very annoying.
    The stronger the blow to the pope, the more scream.
  34. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 10 September 2014 16: 41
    0
    WE HAVE REACHED ... BUT AS IT IS SHAME FOR THE JUNT TO SHOW ALL THIS, but they don’t understand that if they continue to listen to the USA, Merkeel, they will completely lose Ukraine.
  35. Iskander 090
    Iskander 090 10 September 2014 17: 10
    0
    what other equipment will the militia take from dill?
  36. IAlex
    IAlex 10 September 2014 17: 39
    0
    That damn Ukrainians are greedy, neither to himself nor to the militia ...
  37. crambol
    crambol 10 September 2014 18: 10
    0
    Ukrainian tank crews are forced to "remove" boxes "DZ" Contact-1 "from the frontal projections, just to protect the tanks from a blow from the rear."


    Still would. The point is not iron!

  38. argon
    argon 10 September 2014 18: 15
    +1
    no dynamic protection - hang sandbags. From afar, it will look like a new secret weapon - a mobile checkpoint. It can retreat on its own.
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  40. special
    special 10 September 2014 19: 19
    +1
    Quote: Novel 1977
    The fact is that the bulk of Ukrainian tanks and all tanks for export were supplied with new EDZ 4S20, 4S22 produced by the Donetsk Chemical Products Plant. In the last few years, deliveries have been carried out with HSCHKV devices ("Knife", "Duplet").

    And the plant in Donetsk was seized by the militia on June 29. With a shelf life of the 4C20 and 4C22 devices with which Ukrainian tanks are equipped for 10 years, it is highly probable that the protective characteristics of the EDZ will decrease. In addition, the plant produces all kinds of explosives for every taste, ammunition and missiles (including tandem warheads for "Kombat", "Stugna", "Barrier", etc.). In general, dill were left without DZ and missiles.
    Products of Donetsk Chemical Products Plant

    Repair, updating (restoration) of ammunition

    Ammunition disposal

    Ammunition and missile assembly

    Obama at the Donetsk factory of state-owned chemical products.
    Taken:
    http://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/283085.html

    grandmother, you see, crap with fear, that’s revenge!
  41. reklats34
    reklats34 10 September 2014 19: 32
    +3
    TANKS REMAIN GIVEN GOD 400 After the collapse of the Soviet Union and the declaration of independence
    Under the jurisdiction of Ukraine passed: the infrastructure of three military districts (Kiev, Carpathian, Odessa); 14 motorized rifle, 4 tank, 3 artillery divisions; 8 artillery brigades; Special Forces Brigade; 9 air defense brigades; 7 regiments of combat helicopters; 3 air armies (about 1100 combat aircraft) and a separate air defense army. The strategic nuclear forces deployed in Ukraine had 176 intercontinental ballistic missiles, as well as about 2600 tactical nuclear weapons. At the time of Ukraine's independence, the number of its troops was about 700 thousand people ... However, after 19 years, there was not much left of its former power: there was a significant reduction in military structures, the number of personnel, the number of weapons and military equipment. At the beginning of 2010, the number of armed forces of Ukraine was already 196 thousand people. Including:
    Ground forces - 97 thousand people. They have 732 tanks, 1298 art. caliber systems over 100 mm.
  42. Andreitas
    Andreitas 10 September 2014 22: 42
    +2
    Salome will soon be hung up!