The most militarized country

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Hint: it's not the US, not Russian, and not Israel, forgive Kim Jong Il, North Korea did not. The answer will surprise you very much, but it's a surprise - misleading.

Imagine the state with the world's largest percentage of the population in the army. The state in which all men from 20 to 50 are military personnel, literally sleeping with a gun under the bed. A state that, even after 50, just gives you a barrel, and is glad to see you before the tomb at the camp and the training grounds. The state, begging you to buy at least a gun (and better rifle) at a discount. A state capable of deploying from 22-thousandth in two to four hours (!) 650-thousandth, and in two days 1.7-millionth (!) Army, well trained, organized, and very well armed. (for example - the US Army - 1.3 million plus the same reserve, the Chinese Army - 2.4 million, plus 1 million reserve).

The most militarized country


Imagine the most militarized state in the world.

And plus, keep in mind that almost all of this terrible country, armed to the teeth, from Geneva to Davos, from Zurich to Lugano, are very tall mountains, dug in with tunnels, anti-nuclear shelters, repositories weapons, "The bins of the homeland," and rocket-artillery support guns, embedded in granite.

The Swiss Army is not the only country in the world with a personnel and militia structure. By the same principle (in some approximation), for example, the Bundeswehr, which is essentially a kind of huge analogue of the Soviet "cadre" divisions, was built. Those. the system is “few soldiers + many personnel officers and non-technical officers + civilian reservists + training fees = deployment only when necessary”.
The difference between the Swiss in bringing to the absolute the idea of ​​"the people and the army are one."

It looks so



The total number of military personnel in the country is about 9000, mainly in aviation. Being in the service and retraining - about 10-15 thousand at a time. A soldier is called up for 90 days in the so-called Rekrutenschule - Ecole de recrue. After graduation, the state gives the soldier a personal weapon with two full shops (a rifle and / or pistol), a “canned minister”, three sets of uniforms for all seasons, equipment, body armor and a helmet, with which he departs home. He keeps it as he wants - no one will check.
Before 32, the soldier is in the Austsug position, before the 42's Landver, and until 50 is the Landsturm. Ordinary austsug-for 10 years, in its part, eight fees for three weeks, Landver - three times for two weeks, Landsturm - 1 once every two weeks. As soon as 51 marks the year, you are officially fired from the army, taken with a rifle, pistol and canned food, and donated with a loaded pump-shotgun and a mobilization prescription - in case of the Big Zvizdets and total mobilization.



The peculiarity of the Swiss army is the enhanced training of reservist officers. Those who want to become officers pass additional fees - each rank - approximately 100 days in total. This, by the way, is used, to the displeasure of the employers (especially the Banking Association), by all the bosses - from the CEO to the small head of the department. They say that they simply dump the wife and work on picnics with the lawful preservation of the c / o - the bachelor parties with shooting, but this is not quite the case - the service goes there. The reason is rather that correctly getting into the training camps you can lie down over the machine gun and at the same time communicate with the right people, current or possible colleagues who are superior, useful deputy politicians, and just with the neighbor, because no one can decline from the service, absolutely no one neither the student (yes, directly from the audience, easily), nor the president himself, if they are men.



Do you know what is the country's military budget of 7.5 million people? - almost five billion !!! dollars - almost 20 percent. What's in service? A lot of things - more than 800 (!) tanks and armored vehicles (420 Leopards-2, 150 M-109). The country has a total length of 300 km, 14 squadrons with more than 350 combat, 120 training aircraft and 100 helicopters! The park is constantly being updated, such as, for example, in the American army, when a pilot is often not allowed here younger than his plane.
The state sells illiquid assets and a carefully repaired and restored army weapon to citizens with a significant discount, and especially offers it to women, the registration is the simplest, and only for the new, bought in a shop. When buying from hand - not required. By conservative estimates, only army weapons, semi-automatic rifles and hunting weapons are in the hands of the population - up to one and a half million. Plus about two million pistols. The fourth place in the world in trunks per capita and the second in the percentage of the population with trunks.

There are dozens of shooting clubs in the country, there are almost as many shooting galleries as cafes.
How does a soldier serve? It seems to be quite good - two weekends a week from the dismissal, does not build toilets, does not clean the potatoes, does not wash the dishes, does not paint the fences - all are done by private companies. Now sit down at all - he doesn't even go to guard! The perimeter of the military guard is also guarded by private security companies!
Yes, it's just a holiday, not a service! Resort!



Well, we have depicted a barrel of honey, we will pay for the tar

Let's start with the same "resort". The rise in 5-00, and then - all run. With breaks to devour and shit - a solid war - physical training, rifle, hand-to-hand, driving, equipment, mountaineering, and again in a circle. And so to rebound. And hang up - in 24-00. And in 5-00 - again rise. They say such a little strained in what the army is.
Soldiers chase so that they turn into Terminators and Rambo in one bottle. An example is an officer who pleased the Darwin Award-2007. First, before exhaustion, he teaches his platoon to handle a pistol, and then to check (as he used to) he throws himself with a bayonet at a tortured fighter. The result - shot at full automatic.



Further. Well, yes, shooting enthusiasm, healthy patriotism, etc., but the tenacious paws of the motherland are also available. In case of failure to appear on the agenda (session, wedding, binge, vacation, etc.), a fine and prison is shining under such a terrible article that an ordinary Swiss can put an end to a career. Nobody will ever take him to decent work anymore. White ticket? Are you blind, sick or expat? Get an 3 percent army tax. Alternate pacifist? Get the same agenda, but on the racket of municipal shit, and a half times more often. Work abroad and for no reason forgot / did not get to the fees? See above - prison is your home.
Further. Calm quiet country? Myth! Second place in the world (non-combatant) in mortality from firearms per capita! However, in fairness - this is the result of overconcentration of the trunks. If in the rest of Europe slobs, a rake in the balls, a frying pan in the forehead or a noose around the neck are waiting for a thief or a suicide bomber, then in Switzerland - SIG, Sphinx, or Glock.

One day in the swiss army

The first days of October. In the air, saturated with the aromas of the Alpine foothills, webs are worn and as if the unceasing distant chime of cow bells hangs. In the midst of all this pacification and magnificence, thunder peals are heard from time to time. This is an autumn exercise at a tankodrom near the village of Elm.

We turn from the highway to the side road and after a couple of hundred meters we drive up to a squat rectangular structure with an internal parade-ground and two exits. At the 14 Tank Tank Battalion, three officers meet us: Chief Lieutenant Georg Klingler, Captain Michael Isenring, and Lieutenant Translator Alexey Gromov. Our day in the Swiss army began exactly on schedule. And with the obligatory cup of morning coffee with croissants in the headquarters room.



GROUND IN MOUNTAINS

The Swiss Confederation is a rather small state and there are only two tankodroms in its army. One of them is located in the Wilhenalp mountain valley. It has been around for more than 40 years, but it has been upgraded with the latest electronic technology and is considered the largest in Europe. The snowy cliffs of the Toddy mountain range surrounding the small valley exceed the safety requirements of 500 meters and are an excellent natural barrier when firing live ammunition. Noticeable is a huge hangar with machine shops for twenty combat vehicles such as German heavy modernized Leopard tank and lightweight SP 2000 tanks of Swedish origin. And on the pedestal the English "Centurion" froze.

The workshops are serviced by civilians under a normal working contract. On the one hand, the brick structure of the ammunition storehouses adjoins the hangar, on the other hand, open shooting ranges for infantry soldiers, who here are loudly called grenadiers. All buildings are compactly located at the beginning of the training ground, at some distance from the tower of the command post, stuffed with the most advanced instruments to monitor the progress of the exercises. Armored vehicles move at a distance of not less than a kilometer, but are equipped with chips, so any of their maneuvers is reflected on the electronic map, and the video surveillance system further enhances the effect of being present where the “fighting” takes place. The tower is constantly on duty six officers, but if the commanders of units arrive, the number of observers increases to twelve people. Nearby, an 15-meter mast with a heat chamber, which records any movement on mountain paths, soared that nothing living would fall into the zone of fire.



About 20 shots are fired at the test site per day. To impress this figure, we add that one tank shot costs more than 700 dollars. The fire is mainly fighting 120-mm shells. But in recent years, due to the campaign to save the army that has developed in the army, an ersatz-muzzle of smaller caliber is inserted into the barrels of tank guns, which naturally reduces the cost of combat training somewhat.

For four weeks of the autumn exercises, tank brigades, and there are two of them, receive 49 thousand liters of diesel fuel. In total, the Swiss armed forces consist of 687 tanks and 483 units of other armored vehicles. So they are puzzled at the General Staff in Bern, how to divide the fuel obtained between the units, so that with minimal costs, but with a good idea to conduct classes.

After waiting for their turn, the next pair of light armored vehicles takes the position, in the iron belly of which there are ten paratroopers. They sit on low iron benches close to each other, squeezing the SIG 550 assault rifle between their knees. Soldiers are also sewn into the camouflage of the chip, so their crossing over a mountain stream at a distant turn on the tower will almost see with their own eyes. But now the prohibiting red signal of the thermal chamber went out, the upper hatches slammed shut and along the highway of the landfill, firing the first shot, the tanks confidently rushed, raising a cloud of dust into the air. All those present at the KP as a team put in their ears a personal set of earplugs, as prescribed by the charter. In the Swiss army, as, indeed, the Swiss have, if it is already established by the rules, they will all be executed without question. It is in character.



WEAPONS IN EVERY FAMILY

In the Swiss army, there are thousands of regular military personnel serving 3,5: General Staff officers, non-commissioned officers and special forces and military police. The remaining 120 thousands of so-called active militia soldiers and officers, as well as about 230 thousands of reservists make up the main "muscular" mass of the armed forces.

This unique Swiss police system has its roots in the deep Middle Ages and is explained by historical the reasons for the development of the country, constantly torn by local wars between the cantons or forced to fight external enemies. The first military treaty of the cantons of united Switzerland was signed in 1798, it was then that, as is believed, the current Swiss army arose. This treaty provided for universal military duty for the male population of this kind of union state. True, there was an opportunity to pay off military service: wealthy citizens voluntarily contributed a considerable amount to the cantonal box office. However, the same repurchase deals are stipulated in the modern army charter.

During the Second World War, surrounded on all sides by pro-fascist regimes and having joint borders with Nazi Germany, Switzerland resorted to the distribution of military weapons to military servicemen. The whole country was, as it were, drafted into the active army, continuing to work in factories, offices or farms. This combat service was carried only by mobile combat units in the border areas and in the mountains. It was then that General Guzé, the army commander-in-chief who was elected by parliament, worked out a plan for the construction of main army warehouses and air defense facilities in the depths of the St. Moritz, Gotthard and Glarus mountain ranges that was later implemented.



A weapon from the time of the war is kept in families - in wardrobes and closets, next to a uniform and a military backpack. By the way, in the army, as in the police, only citizens of Switzerland have the right to serve.

Depending on the type of military, the Swiss military is obliged to devote hours from 180 to 270 to military affairs. For the weeks that are allotted to combat training, defenders of the homeland are saved up to 80% salary and, of course, the workplace itself. The soldier receives from the army a salary (salary) up to 6 dollars per day, an officer receives an 8,5 dollar.

It should be noted here that, along with skiing, shooting is considered a national sport in the country. But how else: 270 of thousands of reservists and 120 of thousands of active military militiamen during their service must submit a soldier’s book with notes on the shooting and their results. Shooting is sacred, these are traditions that have not been changed for centuries in conservative Switzerland. The administration of a small community may not find the necessary money to repair the road, but successfully voted on the proud descendants of William Tel to a vote on the project to build a new shooting range and modernize the old one. And there are thousands of such shooting ranges and closed shooting galleries scattered around the most peaceful country in Europe. National and regional competitions in pistol or assault rifle shooting are always held when there is a mass gathering of people.



NOT FOR RUSSIAN ...

At 12, during the platoon hours, soldiers and officers on foot marched down to the wooden structure of Elm shooting gallery, where, for the duration of the exercises, they organize something like a canteen. We did not notice the pot with porridge. The soldiers received a good piece of cordon blue (chicken breast with ham and cheese) with pasta and vegetables. The officers and non-commissioned officers ate the same, but after their subordinates and at the same tables. Fifteen minutes of rest on the sunny slope, and now the first guttural teams raise uneven and unshaven soldiers, the last cigarettes are extinguished ...

By the way, the Swiss units do not go for a drill, the army refused Prussian drill at the end of the 19th century. A compulsory military training takes place in the recruit schools for six months, at the three-week gatherings the soldiers do not have time, and maybe they just do not want to reorganize in a military way. Which, in fact, is not their responsibility. Even the daily routine says this: getting up at 6 in the morning, personal hygiene, breakfast, training at the training ground, lunch, shooting, dinner, personal time. Total hang up in 24.00.

The barracks we visited is considered small and holds up to 130 people. It is divided into soldiers (up to 20 people), non-commissioned officers and officers' rooms (up to six people). They are almost indistinguishable from each other: both there and there two-tier iron beds with thin mattresses and sleeping bags. The backs of the beds are attached to large soldiers' backpacks with personal items. Shoe racks stretch along the walls of the barracks corridor. Toilets and showers are amazing clean.



About hazing in the Swiss barracks have not heard. But after all, young men spend not so much time in them either. Here, after all, they do not go to the army, but come for a few weeks and go home. Moreover, during the obligatory exercises, Saturday and Sunday are held at home.

With all the striking democratic order with discipline in the militia units, there are no particular problems. Because a system of monetary fines has been developed and has been painted to the smallest detail, and they are several orders of magnitude higher than on a “citizen” for any non-compliance with the rules of the army hostel and violation of the charter. Control functions are performed by personnel officers. The decision on the amount of the fine is made by the unit commander. A rare criminal offense is considered by the military prosecutor's office.

We discussed all this with the officers accompanying us. The collected, clean-shaven Georg Klingler in two weeks, returning to the “citizen”, will again become a lawyer. For now he accurately answers questions of journalists. The chief lieutenant treats the annual three-week service in the army quite loyally, for she not only does not interfere with his career, but gives a lot of life impressions that he can also apply in legal practice.

But Captain Michael Isenring long ago, after graduating from the recruit school, was sent to the school for police officers, where they took into account his main civilian profession as a programmer. Years passed, the young officer made a certain career in the militia army, but he never wanted to become a regular soldier. By his own admission, Michael, military service almost does not intersect with his civil life. The agenda comes once a year, the uniform, the backpack, the weapon are removed from the closet — and not Michael Isenring, a programmer, a loving husband and father of two children, but the Hauptmann Isenring come out of the apartment.



At the age of seven, Alexey Gromov came with his family to Switzerland. His Russian parents, physicists, work under contract at the Zurich Technical University. Awareness of oneself and one's place in a foreign country is always difficult. Having received a Swiss passport in 18 for years, and with it an agenda for a recruiting office, the guy decided to try himself in the army, although he had already started working as a computer programmer at the university. Knowledge of the Russian language made him in the eyes of the command of the non-commissioned officers almost a polyglot. After all, Russian is considered to be a very rare and difficult language. So Alexey was sent to the officers' school and now serves as a lieutenant of communications and a military translator.

But the young man does not hide his disappointment: “When going to the training camp, the soldiers and officers are not even engaged in physical training, although they have all the conditions for this. They just serve their time. It does not suit me. I imagined another army. Just probably in pure Russian. My Swiss comrades find everything in perfect order. ”

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  1. +3
    9 February 2013 08: 31
    Of course, I can say heresy, but they won’t fight nifig against an army with real combat experience. Not to mention the fact that the numbers in modern warfare are not the most important. The main thing is how many planes and helicopters and artillery barrels you have, yes, given the mountainous terrain, special forces and mountain shooters.
    1. vladsolo56
      +31
      9 February 2013 09: 03
      Do you know many armies with real combat experience?
      1. +17
        9 February 2013 17: 30
        Long-suffering Russia Mother!
        1. wall
          +12
          10 February 2013 13: 13
          Quote: s500
          Long-suffering Russia Mother!


          That is yes. Yes, only in Russia Mother Fools are too much, it spoils everything.
          1. +6
            11 February 2013 00: 47
            Apparently you are one of them, and Americans or Arabs are so smart, only we have a smart problem, I’ll tell you that our level of education is an order of magnitude higher than the West, and our programmers, engineers and scientists are valued by wise men for their weight in gold.
            1. Algor73
              -5
              11 February 2013 11: 22
              But for some reason they have a standard of living (Americans, Europeans) an order of magnitude higher. And it seems to be fools, but they live better ...
              1. +7
                11 February 2013 12: 36
                The West lives well for about forty years, but this time has already ended, and the fact that from the great mind the assholes will now officially marry and adopt children, poverty is better than such an intellectual asshole.
                1. black_eagle
                  -10
                  11 February 2013 17: 42
                  The West has always lived better, not 40 years, read the story more closely
                  1. +8
                    11 February 2013 19: 39
                    So it would not hurt you to ask how their people lived, for example, during the Great Depression. And yet you do not need to compare the standard of living of Perez Hilton and our janitor, like Prokhorov with the Mexican janitor. The middle class with a normal income (of which you are dreaming) in the West was formed by the seventies and has grown steadily until 2008, but now it is hovering before the rapid decline that the Greeks and other Gishpans have already begun ..
                    1. +5
                      11 February 2013 20: 03
                      At the expense of the wealth of the western man in the street, the US Census Bureau published data according to which 2009 million residents (including 50,7 million non-citizens) or 9,9% of the population did not have health insurance in 16,7. [9] [10] ] For another 30%, medical care is not provided in full. [11] According to a report by the Institute of Medicine published in 2004, the lack of health insurance causes approximately 18 deaths annually [000]. According to similar studies by Harvard (8), the figure is 2009 additional deaths [44].
                      In general, we have Gaster if they provide assistance, but in the states an ambulance is approaching, a citizen is fine, insurance is not, we went at least die, and there are more than 50 million of these comrades who seem to live very prosperously.
                      1. vitya29111973
                        0
                        19 March 2013 09: 39
                        we don’t have anyone at all !!! as for additional deaths, the population of Russia decreases by two million every year and I think at least half of them due to the low level of medical care.
                    2. vitya29111973
                      0
                      19 March 2013 09: 44
                      He lived poorly, in extreme cases, was fed at the expense of the state, and at that time, millions of people in the USSR were dying in Ukraine and the North Caucasus and the Don artificially caused famine in order to collectivize and industrialize the country.
                    3. vitya29111973
                      0
                      19 March 2013 09: 47
                      I think the payment of the American janitor and the Russian is an order of magnitude higher, simply on the basis of that minimum as much as three and a half times higher !!!
              2. heathen
                +1
                15 February 2013 11: 39
                Only due to the fact that they rob other countries. And on average, not particularly higher, it’s just different.
              3. 0
                3 March 2013 02: 12
                And who told you that they live better?
              4. nok01
                0
                24 June 2013 11: 49
                Because they practically do not steal! Not like ours .. from the cleaning lady to the president!
            2. black_eagle
              0
              11 February 2013 17: 43
              The level of education in our country may be normal, but there are too many idiots, an example is the first Chechen! Well this is how much mind it was necessary to put so many guys !!!
              1. heathen
                +2
                15 February 2013 11: 41
                The level of education, it must be said, is steadily declining. First of all, because of the reforms aimed at making the "truncated look like Geyropakh"
                1. Beck
                  +2
                  15 February 2013 12: 10
                  Quote: heathen
                  The level of education, it must be said, is steadily declining. First of all, because of the reforms aimed at making the "truncated look like Geyropakh"


                  And why push your problems on others? And here is the West? In Kazakhstan, too, the level of education is not so hot, so we are not looking around for someone to say - It’s his fault that our education is poor. Absurd.

                  Paid universities and a willingness to buy a diploma, and not to study corruption, underfunding kindergartens and schools, pushing someone for their own lack of civilization, thirst for profit. We don’t study ourselves, but the uncle outsider is to blame.

                  Thus, I can push the promotion of corruption in Kazakhstan to Ukraine, relying on the recent case when two Ukrainian businessmen handed a bribe of $ 200 to our general. And, what should I yell now - It’s not our general who is guilty of taking a bribe. But the Ukrainian lads are to blame for giving him this bribe. Absurd.
      2. Nikopol
        +17
        9 February 2013 20: 57
        Simple examples are the USA and Israel. The first - because of its restlessness, the second - were in the wrong place, and at the wrong time. wink The rest have doctrines, doctrines, and only doctrines.
        1. +3
          10 February 2013 23: 24
          Why, Turks all the time. Kurds keep them in good shape ...
    2. Mikado
      +59
      9 February 2013 09: 47
      Somewhere out there, maybe they won’t fight, but at home, as you rightly said in the highlands, and taking into account the fact that they have shelters for every inhabitant, you’ll knock them off.
      1. +9
        9 February 2013 10: 03
        Yeah, the German warrior is serious.
        1. laurbalaur
          +6
          10 February 2013 20: 15
          Just do not forget that in Switzerland, German, Italian and French in one glass!
          1. +1
            10 February 2013 20: 39
            That is, he is a one-third warrior soldier
          2. +3
            10 February 2013 23: 55
            The EU has been in miniature for hundreds of years.
      2. Alexander
        -8
        9 February 2013 11: 29
        Mikado For this we have aviation, tanks, artillery, atomic bombs in the end.
        1. wall
          +3
          10 February 2013 13: 17
          Quote: Alexander
          For this we have aviation, tanks, artillery, atomic bombs in the end.

          You, personally, have none of this. But Russia, I think, doesn’t need another war with Europe.
          1. +3
            11 February 2013 00: 53
            All this is built on the taxes of Alexander and his family and the fact that Alexander is not enslaved by the Chinese and Americans is the merit of our army, so that everything is relative and the nuclear suitcase of a person for whom Alexander voted or not.
        2. DrekerexeN
          0
          15 February 2013 06: 21
          It won’t help ... The country is a bomb shelter built with modern technology.
        3. heathen
          +1
          15 February 2013 11: 54
          The Swiss have all the mountains - solid granite - torn in depth by passages and shelters, uniting into entire underground cities. Aviation, and artillery, they are too tough for tanks and talk funny. I doubt that even nuclear weapons can pick them out from there. I think that if only a scorched radioactive desert remains on the surface, they will be able to live in these holes for decades.
        4. vitya29111973
          0
          19 March 2013 09: 53
          to all this crazy, I would have fought with 20000 Chechens, and from 1600000 million. I think the Russian army there would completely dissolve.
      3. Beck
        +19
        9 February 2013 20: 22
        The whole strategy of the Swiss army is not an offensive, but a defense. Units saddle passes, are located on steep slopes, above valleys, and occupy narrow gorges. All this is fueled by warehouses, pre-arranged engineering structures, field shelters.

        I am sure that not a single division of Europe will take any pass defended by the Swiss.
        1. +16
          10 February 2013 00: 59
          Quote: Beck

          I am sure that not a single division of Europe will take any pass defended by the Swiss.

          While the Swiss banks will keep the headstock of the richest people in the world there and no one will turn up. In general, the Swiss army is like the elusive Joe in a joke. Who needs to fight with her what
          1. Beck
            +10
            10 February 2013 14: 00
            Quote: ramzes1776
            In general, the Swiss army is like the elusive Joe in a joke. Who needs to fight with her?


            Don’t say it. Swiss troops have always been famous. The Swiss did not just get into the Pope's guard. In the Middle Ages throughout Europe there was no more stable and insistent infantry than the Swiss spearmen. Not a single cavalry, not to mention the infantry, with more or less comparable numbers, could overturn them. For such qualities, the Swiss infantry was hired by many kings of Europe.
            1. 0
              10 February 2013 15: 49
              Quote: Beck
              Don’t say it. Swiss troops have always been famous.

              Something I was studying the history of 2 world wars of the 20th century, I have not read a single line about them anywhere.
              1. Beck
                +3
                10 February 2013 16: 26
                Quote: ramzes1776
                Something I was studying the history of 2 world wars of the 20th century, I have not read a single line about them anywhere.


                So Switzerland did not participate in these two wars.
                1. +2
                  10 February 2013 18: 44
                  Quote: Beck
                  So Switzerland did not participate in these two wars.

                  That's what it is about. And the fact that under the Tsar peas they were famous, this does not count, especially since they were engaged in mercenary activities.
                  1. Beck
                    +3
                    11 February 2013 15: 30
                    Quote: ramzes1776
                    the more they were engaged in mercenary activities.


                    I agree with mercenary. So who will pay the cowardly mercenaries. Choose the best. And the mentality of the people is a long thing. Of course, I don’t know how the modern Swiss army will behave on an ordinary theater. But their army was sharpened under another. According to the inadmissibility of foreign troops deep into their territory, to the maximum using the mountainous terrain. We won’t talk about nuclear weapons, it’s another collec- tor. And on some sort of pass, their battalion will repel all attacks of a foreign regiment. And their foreign regiment will block any foreign division in a mountain valley and will methodically destroy it.
                    1. +1
                      12 February 2013 01: 58
                      Quote: Beck
                      And on some sort of pass, their battalion will repel all attacks of a foreign regiment.

                      So I didn’t speak against it. They will beat them - well done. It just makes sense that in the next century no one is going to conquer them. There’s the same world money coin fellow
                  2. vitya29111973
                    0
                    19 March 2013 10: 00
                    Yes, no native, there is a saying - the war that is not started is won. Something that Hitler was a collector of German lands from Mussolini and did not rock the boat against Switzerland, but these were the last territories inhabited by Germans and not capture.
                  3. who
                    who
                    0
                    17 September 2013 01: 33
                    partly because they did not participate in them because they were famous.
              2. +4
                10 February 2013 20: 27
                ramzes1776 "While studying the history of 2 world wars of the 20th century, I haven't read a single line about them."
                It is about the Middle Ages. The inhabitants of the German-speaking cantons were combat-ready. When trying to escape from the battlefield, they chopped their halberds. I dare to assume that even now with their army everything is in order. Their officers are personnel. Fighting spirit? Weak? And who is he strong? But German discipline is a serious thing. And if the mess will threaten their existence, then the Swiss will quickly impose the death penalty to increase combat efficiency. And I am sure that in their mountains they will be a very serious enemy for any enemy.
              3. +2
                10 February 2013 20: 48
                at that time they turned out to be smarter, this also speaks of quality, and no one decided to check their neutrality, and that means something.
              4. postman
                +2
                11 February 2013 01: 38
                Quote: ramzes1776
                Something I'm studying the history of 2 world wars of the 20th century

                = On June 1, 1940, the Swiss Air Force shot down the first German planes: two He-111s, which resisted, being above the territory of the country;
                and two more Bf. 110 were shot down.
                = June 4, 1940 He-111 lures 12 Swiss fighters into France, where they are attacked by 28 German Bf.110C fighters from II / ZG 1. Swiss: loss of 1 plane, Germans 2 fighters and 1 bomber, after which they returned to their air space
                = June 8, 1940 in response, a raid of a group of He-111H bombers (KG 1) was organized, accompanied by 32 Bf.110C (from II \ ZG 76) to Swiss territory: 1x C-35 and 1 x Bf.109E loss Swiss knocked down 3x Bf.110C
                = June 16, 1940 10 German saboteurs unsuccessfully try to hold an action at one of the Swiss airfields

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                Against 10 Swiss infantry divisions, 2 mountain rifle, 6 tank and motorized, 8 Wehrmacht infantry divisions were concentrated.
                / any of the German tank regiments had at least three times as many tanks in their arsenal as the entire Swiss army/
                Operation Tannenbaum
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                The U.S. Air Force bombed Swiss cities: April 1, 1944 - Schaffhausen in the north of the country, December 25, 1944 - Thingen, February 22, 1945, 13 settlements were bombed immediately in Switzerland, March 4, 1945 - both Basel and Zurich

                the beginning of March 1944 one American bomber was shot down, and the second landed at a Swiss airfield


                On April 13, 1944, a Swiss pilot fired at a damaged American bomber, despite the fact that his crew lowered the landing gear when approaching a Swiss fighter - according to international rules, this meant "following to the airport you specified." Seven American pilots died
                .
                ==========================================
                The Swiss Air Force in exchange for destroying the Bf 110G-4 / R7 night fighter equipped with the new radar, which erroneously landed on 28.04.44/12/109 near Dabendorf, received 6 Bf 7G-701. Entering Fliegerkompagnie 712 they received numbers from J-2 to -713 inclusive. Another 714 aircraft of the same type, mistakenly falling into Swiss airspace, were requisitioned and received numbers J-XNUMX and J-XNUMX. All of them did not last long, as they were rarely combat-ready due to the lack of appropriate maintenance.
              5. ISO
                ISO
                0
                12 February 2013 15: 10
                so they were wiser by that time and instead of military force they used purely finances. Neither Bismarck nor Aloizych dared to break such a store of gold, not at all because of humanistic considerations hi
                1. +3
                  13 February 2013 13: 32
                  The common fund to break - it is WEST! Present will be honest. am am am
            2. +6
              10 February 2013 23: 50
              The promise is true, but the Vatican and Switzerland are a symbiotic, Switzerland is the real bank of the Vatican, where the loot stolen for a thousand years is stored, plus the Swiss army is the Vatican army, the mobilization reserve in the article is well indicated that outnumbers the US army. And a couple of centuries of neutrality, Switzerland owes generally to the Vatican, which is why during WWII neither Switzerland was touched, although all of Europe was under the Germans, nor the Vatican in the center of the capital of fascism. Hitler and Mussolini had neutrality precisely with the Vatican, albeit mutual hatred.
              1. Pessimist
                0
                12 February 2013 17: 02
                Quote: hrych
                Switzerland generally owes the Vatican, which is why during WWII neither Switzerland was touched, although all of Europe was under the Germans,

                Hitler’s HOST just sat in Switzerland ... Everything is simpler.
          2. who
            who
            0
            17 September 2013 01: 30
            that is, in your opinion, you do not need to protect the banks, nobody needs them?
        2. psdf
          +1
          10 February 2013 21: 28
          Take it, but at what cost ...
          1. +2
            10 February 2013 23: 58
            At the cost of ten megaton charges.
            1. vitya29111973
              0
              19 March 2013 10: 33
              comrade go to school and do not skip classes.
        3. +1
          11 February 2013 01: 09
          They took halberds and went to take passes? And how do you like the scenario of throwing passes with thermobaric charges, well, or something stronger. An example of Iraq, where are the battles between tank divisions and the like, what was the last world war famous for? They soaked the anti-aircraft defense with cruise missiles, then the aircraft unpunished everything else with impunity, and then the mopping up and the crowds of weeping prisoners of war and kissing the hands of Fedayan acupunates. If a developed country wants to count with Switzerland, then neither alpine shooters nor 400 tanks will help. Of course they have not bad air defense and decent aircraft, but no more.
      4. sorokin
        0
        12 February 2013 02: 19
        Quote: Mikado
        Somewhere out there, maybe they won’t fight, but at home, as you rightly said in the highlands, and taking into account the fact that they have shelters for every inhabitant, you’ll knock them off.

        And who will climb on them? Where is the lion's share of the world's "righteous" and "stolen" money kept? They have the heart. Not a country, but a well-guarded bank.
    3. +79
      9 February 2013 11: 32
      I read with my mouth open. belay
      Orty, you probably do not know about the horror called "military training of reserve servicemen" in Russia. "Partizan" had to be collected, wait to sober up, explain, so that they understood what was required of them, and the rest of the time to watch so as not to get drunk. There are, of course, people who are interested in remembering their youth and learning something new, but such a minority.
      And here - such fees are put on stream. Any normal military man cannot but admire!
      I am impressed! soldier
      1. vilenich
        +7
        10 February 2013 09: 42
        Of course, such an organization can only be admired.
        But you noticed what a strong position the state holds in this matter, how coercive measures are effectively combined with incentive measures! And most importantly, everything works inevitably!
      2. +1
        10 February 2013 11: 50
        Iraclius,
        I fully support.
      3. +1
        10 February 2013 12: 20
        Iraclius,
        Combined arms training is great. And what about aviation, air defense and others, where the availability of sophisticated equipment is available. Well, with the fleet it’s clearly not there, and so on.
    4. +26
      9 February 2013 14: 43
      nifiga they do not fight against the army with real combat experience

      Um. One and a half million trunks, and even with annual exercises in the shooting range, and in the mountains ... Yes, with the support of 800 tanks and 350 aircraft ...
      And with what army do you compare, saying - they will not fight?
      1. +18
        9 February 2013 16: 02
        Um. One and a half million trunks, and even with annual exercises in the shooting range, and in the mountains ... Yes, with the support of 800 tanks and 350 aircraft ...
        And with what army do you compare, saying - they will not fight?

        Plus, knowing the area like the back of your hand, which will become a significant factor.
        1. vitya29111973
          0
          23 February 2013 03: 11
          Plus in the mountains and mountaineering knowledge !!!!
      2. Kommunisten
        -9
        10 February 2013 01: 13
        They will not fight with any country that has even a minimal amount of nuclear weapons. Moreover, the war will end in about an hour, the complete destruction of the capital and all military facilities. Another question is that no one will touch her, even Hitler did not.
        1. +1
          13 February 2013 13: 37
          And what is there to touch? Resources, except for gravel, are not there. request
        2. lucidlook
          0
          13 February 2013 19: 48
          They have the most reliable missile defense possible - bank vaults clogged with gold, platinum, etc. None of those who can afford a nuclear device, in their right mind, will not explode it next to gold.
        3. DrekerexeN
          0
          15 February 2013 06: 26
          Well, well ... There is no point in using nuclear weapons, everyone will go underground ...
        4. vitya29111973
          -1
          23 February 2013 03: 13
          And where are you clone of such clever ?????????????????????????? Only in Chernobyl !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??????????????
    5. Lucky
      +5
      9 February 2013 16: 41
      And how to conduct a ground operation? by airplanes? I think they will be able to stand up for themselves!
    6. +15
      9 February 2013 18: 37
      Duc, they’re not going to fight with anyone. Overhangs, almost like us Russians, only defend their homeland.
      1. +2
        10 February 2013 00: 23
        Switzerland doesn’t need an army at all, no one will ever attack it, since those who govern the world live there
        1. lucidlook
          +3
          11 February 2013 16: 36
          It’s just such a bank guard service. A lot of banks - a lot of security. wink
    7. Yoshkin Kot
      +6
      9 February 2013 19: 06
      eh, we should have at least half of this! since 17, the "authorities" do not trust Russians
      1. wall
        +4
        10 February 2013 13: 22
        Because Gussians are afraid of Russians.
      2. +2
        11 February 2013 01: 15
        In Russia, there is not a big problem with the acquisition of a smoothbore, incl. self-loading, for the acquisition of a rifled AK in the form of Saiga, of course you need experience. It would be a desire.
    8. +7
      9 February 2013 19: 07
      How much they have said and all to no avail, one should not underestimate any adversary, he must be studied and certain conclusions drawn.
    9. yuri_dashkin
      +1
      9 February 2013 21: 16
      So this is a finished partisan army with all the supplies !! And the terrain there is such that the Caucasus is just hills ...
      1. tungus-meteorit
        +11
        10 February 2013 00: 10
        What height of the Alps do you know? The highest peak of the Alps is Mont Blanc about 4800 meters high (on the border of France and Italy), and the highest alpine peaks of Switzerland (there are only a few) with a height of 4 to 4,5 thousand meters, and an average of 2500-3000 meters.
        and what is the height of the mountains of the Caucasus? The highest peak in Europe - you should know - is Mount Elbrus, 5642 meters, and there is also Kazbek, Kashkantau, Dzhangitau, Shkhara - all of them are higher than 5000 meters. In Transcaucasia - Ararat - also five thousandth. And such peaks as Mont Blanc (that is, from 4 to 5 thousand meters high) in the Caucasus are several thousand. The average height of most Caucasian peaks is from 3 to 3,5 thousand meters. The steepness and inaccessibility of the passes and peaks of the Main Caucasian Range from Mount Fisht (between Sochi and Maykop) to the Shahdag and Bazardyuzi mountains (on the border of Dagestan and Azerbaijan) significantly exceeds the Central Alps. Particularly difficult to pass (and sometimes we don’t pass at all, for tens of kilometers) is the area from Elbrus to Kazbek. There are also hills in the Caucasus - in the foothills, and then look up the gorges - there are rocky-ice almost vertical multi-kilometer walls of the ranges. Did you even go through geography at school?
        1. +2
          10 February 2013 15: 42
          hmm ...... you know, I was shocked to see plastic windows in the dugout of fights, located 30km from any normal road
    10. Septugian
      0
      10 February 2013 14: 04
      I agree, laughter and nothing more!
    11. postman
      +2
      11 February 2013 01: 58
      Quote: Orty
      The main thing is how many planes and helicopters and artillery barrels you have,




      With a military budget of approximately $ 5,2 billion, Switzerland (a country with a population of 7,5 million) in 40 minutes he can set up a professional army of 800 thousand soldiers and officers.

      By the end of the day, the Swiss army will grow to 2 million soldiers and officers.

      Women connect later.

      Swiss Ground Forces - this is about a thousand modern tanks. Of which not less 450 tanks "Leopard-2".


      Each tank on the go, and the treasury cost 9-10 million euros (1.000 times 7-10 million euros and it works ...). Over 600 armored combat tracked vehicles,

      1.500 armored personnel carriers. Each model of military equipment was produced no earlier than 1990!

      The Swiss Air Force is represented by 14 squadrons.

      In total there are 500 combat aircraft and approximately 150 helicopters. But most importantly, the Swiss army is constantly updating portable anti-aircraft systems. Most aircraft were manufactured and purchased after 1993.
      1. +6
        11 February 2013 02: 06
        _______________________
        1. postman
          +1
          11 February 2013 12: 42
          Well, you betrayed ....


          But seriously, Esercito svizzero is one of the most combat-ready in Europe (although it didn’t fight)

          On May 18, 2003, Swiss citizens voted in favor of a military reform called Army XXI.
          Since January 2004, the number of armed forces personnel has been reduced from 524 to 220 thousand people including 80 thousand reservists in this number. Between 2004 and 2011, more than 2000 civil servants are expected to be reduced.
    12. 0
      11 February 2013 17: 13
      Well done business! Interestingly, various age groups are involved! In the law of the Russian Federation on reservists, the restriction in 42 of the year! Nowadays, 40-45 summer men will be more cheerful than many 20-year-olds.
    13. 0
      12 February 2013 00: 44
      I like the approach of the Swiss army, but to be honest, not training, not shooting, or anything else does not make an army with real combat experience like a war, I do not want to seem indifferent, no matter how it sounds, but it's true. I also agree with the comment "Long-suffering Mother Russia"
    14. ISO
      ISO
      0
      12 February 2013 09: 42
      At one time, Sweden held tightly to ... one place all the countries of Europe, when she was not happy with sorties, sent her soldiers on business trips in the army of other warring countries. So the Swiss for centuries have strengthened and multiplied the experience of their fathers, the founders of the Templars, not only in the banking business but also in the military field. Maybe right now, of course, there are not such cool peppers as their ancestors of one thousand all the Middle East to drive, but they always track Temko war ...
    15. Borisych
      0
      27 February 2013 23: 06
      A good half of the Swiss are mountain shooters, so neither Hitler nor Mussolini poked at them. Of course, the Swiss army is not capable of conducting offensive actions, but let anyone try to take them in their native mountains.
    16. 0
      30 July 2015 19: 37
      Quote: Orty
      Of course, I can say heresy, but they won’t fight nifig against an army with real combat experience. Not to mention the fact that the numbers in modern warfare are not the most important. The main thing is how many planes and helicopters and artillery barrels you have, yes, given the mountainous terrain, special forces and mountain shooters.

      And the rationale is that they are powerless against the modern army?
    17. 0
      30 July 2015 19: 37
      Quote: Orty
      Of course, I can say heresy, but they won’t fight nifig against an army with real combat experience. Not to mention the fact that the numbers in modern warfare are not the most important. The main thing is how many planes and helicopters and artillery barrels you have, yes, given the mountainous terrain, special forces and mountain shooters.

      And the rationale is that they are powerless against the modern army?
  2. +36
    9 February 2013 08: 31
    I admit - impressed! Really impressed! Not only did I believe that the Swiss Armed Forces did not represent at least some strength, so in addition it is one of the most exemplary and most striking examples of the ideal structure of the Armed Forces with urgent service and the rapid mobilization of a capable army.
    1. +8
      9 February 2013 20: 14
      They protect the world's money. Do you think it's just like that? Ha, three times ha. This is a good army. I have been looking at them for a long time back in my childhood I was surprised that such an "invisible" army was so combat-ready at the same time. There is no hosh here. You can't catch them by surprise.
  3. Belo_ticketnik
    +19
    9 February 2013 08: 43
    Maybe this army will not fight a lot of real large-scale conflict, but the invaders will have to dickbad "According to conservative estimates, only army weapons, semi-automatic carbines and hunting weapons in the hands of the population - up to one and a half million. Plus about two million pistols."

    And it is not surprising that they have few "mowers", in such conditions they cannot serve)
    1. vladsolo56
      +19
      9 February 2013 09: 07
      imagine Switzerland in the situation of today's Syria, how long do you think the bandits mercenaries could survive on the territory of Switzerland? But destroying any small state by powerful external aggression is certainly not a problem, for example: Libya, Yugoslavia, the whole business is whom to choose as allies.
      1. Lucky
        +1
        9 February 2013 16: 44
        I think that something like us, too, needs to be created!) to distribute 20 million with a barrel and no one will ever think of attacking Russia!)
        1. Akim
          -4
          9 February 2013 16: 53
          Quote: Lucky
          give out 20 million barrel

          In America there are 11 thousand murders with gunshots a year, and our "Russian" mentality will almost halve the population. Remember Lermontov!
          1. Misantrop
            +13
            9 February 2013 18: 02
            Quote: Akim
            and our "Russian" mentality

            Maybe enough of our mentality shit watering? It has been tested for centuries by the existence of the country
          2. Yoshkin Kot
            +7
            9 February 2013 19: 09
            Yeah, all Russian drunks and psychos! exactly, exactly, so bequeathed the great vovka blank laughing
            in real life, it’s scary to give people the opportunity to arm themselves, because of injustice, in many ways they still have Soviet laws, they are afraid that they will show!
            The kings were not afraid of their people, the Communists first issued a decree on its disarmament
            1. Akim
              -2
              9 February 2013 19: 30
              Quote: Yoshkin Cat
              The kings were not afraid of their people, the Communists first issued a decree on its disarmament

              I hear about this decree for the first time. And remind me of the page of history when in tsarist Russia free possession of weapons was allowed?
              1. +8
                9 February 2013 19: 52
                REVOLVER WITH 50 CARTRIDGES. ONLY 2 RUBLES. A safe and reliable weapon for self-defense, intimidation and raising the alarm. Completely replaces expensive and dangerous revolvers. Strikingly hard. Everyone needs it. No license is required for this revolver. 50 additional cartridges cost 75 kopecks, 100 pieces - 1 r. 40 kopecks, 35 kopecks are charged for postage by cash on delivery, and 55 kopecks to Siberia. When ordering 3 pieces, ONE REVOLVER is attached FREE OF CHARGE. Address: Lodz, "SLAVA" O.


                http://mgsupgs.livejournal.com/748424.html
                1. Akim
                  +2
                  9 February 2013 20: 00
                  Lopatov,
                  Which revolver is chambered by Flaubert and now permission is not required. But army weapons .... In the 18th, peasants from the war were on - grabbing a rifle with them. So they divided the land in the counties.
                  1. 0
                    13 February 2013 17: 13
                    nothing can be done in Russia, 22LR after 5 years of smooth, and then the long barrel ...
                  2. heathen
                    0
                    15 February 2013 12: 55
                    here is a good article about this
                    http://www.from-ua.com/kio/4e9b21861d2da.html
              2. anomalocaris
                +1
                10 February 2013 05: 16
                In general, always. There were restrictions on the sale of weapons only in certain territories, army weapons (so as not to prompt the valiant military to sell state-owned ammunition) and some particularly powerful models (mainly rifled long-range carbines in the central provinces). And so there were no special problems. And in the Soviet Union, weapons were not a particular problem. anyone with a smooth-bore gun or small fry could purchase until the end of the 50s.
              3. Yoshkin Kot
                +1
                10 February 2013 09: 05
                and there was no ban and was sold in stores, and a decree, google to help
                1. Akim
                  +3
                  10 February 2013 11: 15
                  Quote: Yoshkin Cat
                  decree on its disarmament

                  As well as now it was sold with permission and only to certain categories. A lawyer or a bank clerk could buy, but a worker, even an engineer, couldn’t.
                  Now about the decrees. Once given advice to turn to nope here is the link. Find, maybe I missed it. http://www.hist.msu.ru/ER/Etext/DEKRET/index.html
                  And do not watch the TV series "Death of an Empire" and similar programs.
                  1. Yoshkin Kot
                    +1
                    10 February 2013 19: 46
                    Yes, anyone could, after checking for reliability (not a criminal record), buy at least a short barrel, only if for home, then without sound, if wearing, it was prescribed to help the police and citizens in case of robbery and other things
                    not really yours, my great-grandfather of the peasant had a berdank, according to his grandfather, there was no revolver because of the reason in FIG
                    1. Akim
                      +2
                      10 February 2013 20: 28
                      Vinotka "Berdana1" was not army and sold only smooth-bore version or rifled, but to Siberians. The stubs were under police surveillance. The police officers were "knocked" with dignity. Townspeople found it easier to get or get the trunk and less control. But the scope of verification also worked. Of course, the gendarmes did not scamper as they do now, but the time was different. And then they offer to hand out 20 million Ak.
                      1. anomalocaris
                        -1
                        13 February 2013 16: 04
                        After it was removed from service - at least buy it. Another conversation is that the rifle of 75% of potential users did not rest anywhere.
                        ZY And how many Berdan # 1 rifles were made?
          3. +6
            9 February 2013 19: 26
            It seems to me from a banal stabbing or a brick on the head, we die much more ..
          4. +1
            9 February 2013 22: 45
            By the way, M.Yu. Lermontov did not write anything about "unwashed Russia". This misinformation is as ancient as the shit of a mammoth. Rummage in the internet and henceforth do not disgrace yourself.
            1. Akim
              +7
              9 February 2013 23: 07
              Quote: Lankov Victor
              M.Yu. Lermontov did not write anything about "unwashed Russia"

              If the reprise is for me, then I have not written anything about "unwashed Russia". I said that we were turned on because of nonsense. Lermontov fought twice in a duel. Or remember Pushkin's story "Shot", when they shot themselves because of a slap in the face. And I don't need to dig into Neta. I still studied according to the Soviet program at school. Let's say "Poltava" and "Borodino" I still remember by heart.
              1. heathen
                0
                15 February 2013 13: 00
                So that's great. since they fired, it means that there was a core in people, concepts of honor. and now there are pink snot everywhere instead of men.
          5. +2
            10 February 2013 13: 46
            Covert weapons states have experienced an annual decrease in violent crime
            1. Akim
              +1
              10 February 2013 14: 04
              Quote: Pimply
              Covert weapons states have experienced an annual decrease in violent crime

              Therefore, Obama proposed to tighten the law on the receipt of weapons!
              1. 0
                15 February 2013 20: 19
                Popularity. The US population can be conditionally divided into 2 categories: those who have weapons, and those who are violently against it and have an active civil position. Obama decided to promote the second category. The first, while this weapon is not forcibly taken away, in parallel, that he toughens there. And yes, I have never heard that, for example, in Alabama, someone arranged mass executions. Here, by the way, is a good program about the pros and cons:
            2. Tsoi is alive
              0
              10 February 2013 14: 22
              Quote: Pimply
              Covert weapons states have experienced an annual decrease in violent crime

              Read, maybe then change your mind. request
              One rape per minute - a thousand corpses per year
              ("Mother Jones", USA)

              The fact is that in our country (meaning the United States) rape occurs every 6,2 minutes; however, since these are only registered crimes, the real figure may be five times higher. This means that in the United States people are being raped every minute. It turns out that the total number of rape victims is tens of millions.
            3. Yoshkin Kot
              0
              10 February 2013 19: 47
              and usually shoot in "weapon-free" zones
          6. laurbalaur
            -3
            10 February 2013 20: 18
            Akim, Mr. Lermontov was an obsessive mania of destruction by a homosexual, why do you give it as an example to people who already want to destroy their people and country?
            1. Akim
              +2
              10 February 2013 20: 43
              I did not understand and did not know about it. I can give another example. Uncle Leo Tolstoy shot because of trifles. On his account, like 12 opponents. and links to hot spots did not help.
        2. spok
          -1
          10 February 2013 04: 57
          and we have all warehouses with small arms intended for mabuta (in case of war) were taken out of the city
          1. -1
            10 February 2013 05: 17
            Quote from spok

            and we have all warehouses with small arms intended for mabuta (in case of war) were taken out of the city

            What city is this?
        3. 0
          10 February 2013 11: 57
          Lucky,
          Well, you said! What are you, henbane about "ate. Where should we then look for our government and president.
      2. 0
        9 February 2013 21: 09
        Imagine the bandits of mercenaries in Switzerland - it's ridiculous))) It's impossible until all the money is there ... Well, almost all))) Here they are and to protect them. You have to pay for calm ... The Nazis did not fit in just like that? Well, they were there, as they came and went - read ...
  4. uhjpysq1
    -1
    9 February 2013 08: 44
    what the crap they have on the form, round and black ????
    1. Trumpeldor
      +6
      9 February 2013 09: 58
      These are most likely vests with sensors for exercises. We used something similar, a laser pointer is hung on the rifle, which reacts to the noise of firing (blank) and sends a signal, and the enemy's vest is triggered on impact and starts beeping, there seem to be two different sounds, "killed" and "wounded". The big box is the one that makes a sound, with a hole for the key (knocks out the squeaker), which only the instructor has. hi
      1. +9
        9 February 2013 10: 34
        Laser imitators of shooting and destruction. On the machine gun (machine gun-tank gun-ATGM) laser simulators of shooting, on the soldier (and equipment) a vest and 4 "eyes" on the helmet-imitator of defeat.
        We also have such, in limited quantities
        Well, at the test sites, which the Germans are developing for us, such systems will be, only in a "provincial" version. For example, injuries will be different, with the ability to provide "assistance" and with a countdown to death in case of severe. And the whole system will be tied to a central PU, from which it will be possible to track everyone, up to each fighter.
        1. politruk419
          +2
          9 February 2013 13: 05
          I am pleasantly surprised by your message ......
        2. s1н7т
          +3
          10 February 2013 14: 21
          In my opinion, the LIS was tested in Naro-Fominsk back in the early 80s - the school came across materials about exercises with their use.
          As they say, everything is new - well forgotten old laughing
    2. +3
      9 February 2013 10: 15
      Receivers simulator firing. The source is on a rifle.
    3. 0
      9 February 2013 13: 06
      Miles, laser sensors, put on exercises, indicate hit in a soldier
  5. +15
    9 February 2013 08: 59
    The Swiss are far from stupid spending such money on the maintenance of their army, as they say, who does not want to feed his army feeds someone else's.
    1. djon3volta
      +1
      9 February 2013 11: 19
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      The Swiss are far from stupid spending such money on the maintenance of their army

      and why are they spending so much on their army? that's just interesting. why and who are they afraid of? who have their enemy, what state is grinding their teeth on them? can Swiss banks protect or cheese?
      1. heretic
        +4
        9 February 2013 12: 20
        Recently there was information that they were preparing an army to control the emigrants who would soon trample from their neighbors.
        1. djon3volta
          -2
          9 February 2013 15: 44
          Quote: eretik
          that they are preparing an army to control emigrants who will soon trample from their neighbors.

          such as migrants trampled with such force that tanks and the army will have to crush them? laughing
          and yet no one answered why they needed such an army. but they didn’t answer, because they either don’t know or are embarrassed to say that such an army of Switzerland is not needed. I do not read komenty ..
          1. Misantrop
            +3
            9 February 2013 18: 06
            Quote: djon3volta
            still no one answered why they need such an army

            Such an army they have long had. The last war on their territory happened around the same time. Match dates and estimate the costs of war and post-war reconstruction wink
    2. bask
      +4
      9 February 2013 11: 49
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      Alec are not stupid spending such money on the maintenance of their army, as they say, who does not want to feed his army feeds someone else's.

      They are still producing modern armored vehicles. MBT created by the Swiss in 80- could become the best tank in Europe. NKPz tank of 50 tons ... MTO in the nose .. Diesel ,, Sauer ,, 1400 l / s 70 CL 120 mm cannon ,, Rheinmetal ,, Automatic loader for 44 shots. BC in an isolated compartment with knockout hatches. The best tank at that time in Europe.
      Link. [Media = http: //otvaga2004.ru/tanki/istoriya-sozdaniya/tank-revolyuciya/]
      1. +2
        9 February 2013 12: 51
        It seems they use Leopard-2 optimized for their area and produced under license.
        1. postman
          +1
          11 February 2013 02: 06
          Quote: cth; fyn
          It seems they use Leopard 2

          "Pz. 61 ”own production. In 1961 An installation batch of tanks “Pz. 61 ".150 cars are in reserve


          Pz. 68 own production- Over 13 years, 400 machines were manufactured / are in reserve


          To better adapt the Leopard-2 to the requirements of their army, the Swiss engineers made some changes to the tank design during the production adjustment process, based on the technical developments worked out during the creation of the NKPz. The modernized tank entered the Swiss army under the designation Pz. 87 Leo.
          1. +2
            11 February 2013 02: 16
            Quote: Postman
            on technical developments worked out during the creation of NKPz.

            It’s a pity it would be better if it was made. It would be more interesting. Maybe 140 mm already stood there with an automatic charger.
            1. postman
              0
              11 February 2013 21: 19
              Quote: Kars
              Maybe already 140 mm there stood with an automatic charger.

              The Swiss will do the machine (probably the best). And the trunk?
              20 mm Erlikon (Switzerland)
              (30th) The shell of a 20-mm gun Oerlikon visible up to 2000 m
              20 mi Soloturn (Switzerland)
              (30th) modern anti-tank rifle - 20-mm S-18-100 Soloturn rifle, weighing 38 kg. Its armor-piercing bullet penetrates 500 mm thick at a distance of 25 m, and 180 mm thick at a distance of 32 m
              47 mm Thun (Switzerland)

              ================
              Nothing such a wrap (original?)
              1. 0
                12 February 2013 00: 43
                Quote: Postman
                ). And the trunk?

                They have already made the trunk. If even ours (Ukraine) did it, then even more so.
                http://btvt.narod.ru/4/140mm_gun.htm


                Quote: Postman
                Nothing such a wrap (original?)

                Not even vkurse accidentally caught.
      2. +1
        9 February 2013 23: 16
        Sorry, but what's Swiss?
  6. vladsolo56
    +25
    9 February 2013 09: 03
    In fact, the ideal form of army organization, with little adaptation to Russian conditions, is quite acceptable and effective. The most important thing is that it is always on the alert, as I understand it, the training camp is held quite regularly.
    Only in Russia this will never happen, because with such an organization the population has a fairly powerful influence on the government, our government will never allow this.
    1. klop_mutant
      -6
      9 February 2013 13: 16
      And why Russia, instead of a full-fledged contract army, roughly speaking, two million old-timers with machine guns? The army from such reservists will scan if it is not necessary to control nuclear submarines and launch intercontinental missiles.
      1. Lucky
        +5
        9 February 2013 16: 47
        in cases of war it will be well-trained partisans, deversants!
        1. klop_mutant
          -1
          10 February 2013 11: 40
          They can only save territory from occupation, and that is not a fact. And it’s unlikely to prevent the enemy from performing combat missions.
        2. +2
          11 February 2013 01: 49
          Kurchatov and Korolev and Glushko worked and worked so that the Russian people would never again partisan through the forests. And you, that in advance you give our land to the enemy for the occupation?
          1. Sherssen
            0
            13 February 2013 16: 06
            Similar considerations resulted in the USSR almost losing the Great Patriotic War.
      2. s1н7т
        0
        10 February 2013 14: 24
        Quote: klop_mutant
        And why Russia instead of a full-fledged contract army

        And how long have we been like this ?! laughing
      3. +4
        10 February 2013 20: 46
        Sorry, but who then won the Patriotic War? The same 40 summer uncles with sidors, all real ones were killed or captured in the first weeks of the war.
    2. Avenger711
      0
      9 February 2013 13: 38
      Constantly sky-ready.
      1. vladsolo56
        +1
        10 February 2013 06: 16
        phrase, where are the arguments?
        1. 0
          10 February 2013 15: 52
          we were traveling on a business trip and stopped in min-waters, there were 20 anti-aircraft gunners standing on the platforms, there were 1 Tor MXNUMX cars in front of them, service cars, sober from the whole train there was only one colonel who darted, screamed and threatened to fire everyone. were driving.
          Here is the argument.
          1. s1н7т
            0
            11 February 2013 00: 55
            Pipets! In what years was it?
            1. +1
              11 February 2013 23: 04
              Over the past three years, there have always been trains at the station with equipment. I didn’t notice a single drunk. (Probably encrypted)).
            2. 0
              13 February 2013 04: 57
              it was just recently in the autumn of the 12th year
  7. Fox
    +12
    9 February 2013 09: 05
    I ENVY in a good way. Young people. But this does not shine for us, they will find many reasons ... although the Cossacks are the same (not to be confused with the mummers).
  8. Owl
    +18
    9 February 2013 09: 17
    An example for those Russian citizens who are afraid of amendments to the "Law on Weapons" allowing the possession of short-barreled weapons (pistols). In Austria, for some reason, the population does not die out from shooting and crime is lower than in Russia (not only among those in power).
    1. +3
      9 February 2013 11: 38
      We haven’t sobered up yet, we can’t give weapons. You look at what is happening with the traumatism. They get drunk and start shooting at those who, it seems to them, are wrong. Can you imagine if this will be a battle?
      1. - = ALEX = -
        +16
        9 February 2013 12: 00
        Injury is dangerous because it is relatively safe and therefore it is used for any reason. Short-barreled gunshot is a completely different story, statistics show that crimes from the registered weapons are practically not committed since its owner is elementarily identified, and the procedure for obtaining a license and storage conditions are disciplined. The experience of legalizing a short barrels in Moldova showed that street crime fell by 78% and murders by a third. With the established control, the short barrel does not create any danger, but only saves the life and honor of citizens. In the USA, the problem is not in legalized weapons, but in the absence of control over the sale and storage conditions, you can buy weapons there as easily as a screwdriver. And then there in the statistics of deaths, firearms are scanty percent.
        1. +9
          9 February 2013 14: 48
          With the established control, the short barrel does not create any danger, but only saves the life and honor of citizens.

          Under our criminal law, all prisons will be filled to capacity with such saviors of dignity. Even if you shoot a thief or a robber in the leg, if he is armed only with a knife, you will go straight to prison for exceeding the limits of necessary defense. And not a single thing in the State Duma does not lift a finger to bring the Criminal Code into reasonable norms, otherwise their private security companies and security will die in a showdown with visitors in a month.
          1. Psychojoker
            -6
            9 February 2013 15: 22
            We are now on the smoothbore permission to get quite easy, unfortunately. If they start pushing shorties, then I’ll be scared to go outside.
            1. +10
              9 February 2013 16: 01
              Oh, well, don’t have to start again, it’s already tired, just as if moving along the streets with short dashes.
            2. Misantrop
              +8
              9 February 2013 18: 12
              Quote: Psyjoker
              We are now on the smoothbore permission to get quite easy, unfortunately.

              And often you are satisfied with the legal smooth-bore hunting that such a liquid panic flows to the forum? laughing
              1. Psychojoker
                0
                10 February 2013 22: 20
                It was enough for me when at the cottage my friend’s drunk neighbor decided that we were thieves smile : I then learned that fat people can run fast laughing

                ps I'm not against the permission of short-barrels, not at all! But only under the condition of EXTREMELY strict selection to whom and how much. So that neither the bribe-takers, nor the "child-government official of businessmen" could just take and receive. Adequate, not an alcoholic and not convicted? You are welcome! No? Bye!
                smile
            3. - = ALEX = -
              +13
              9 February 2013 21: 45
              We have been brainwashed for years, driving in those ideas and thoughts that are beneficial to the ruling elite and certainly not to citizens who want to feel protected and able to confront crime on their own. For many years, gunsmiths have been struggling with the issue of legalizing the short-barrel with us, but in vain. And what would you like? We know in detail about each “school execution” in the USA, but we don’t know absolutely nothing about how many lives were saved by having a short barrel at the right moment. Why? Yes, because it is much more profitable to sell award weapons for bribes to bandits, which, according to some information in our country, is worth getting from 6 to 20 thousand. American money, from left to right to plant all those who do not agree with the ban of the short-barrel and shake them for money, than to give people the opportunity to resist the bandits. Indeed, we have one of the few countries in the world where a successfully self-defending person in 90% of cases will go to jail for excess, and this despite the fact that it is with us that someone's son who shot down a pregnant woman at the crossing can get off with a fine of 51 hryvnias!

              Now let's look at the position of our legislators (read - “businessmen”). They are ready to break their throats, shouting that we will shoot each other, that crime will literally increase dozens of times, and in general the world will end. Nevertheless, statistics around the world say the following: in those countries where the short-barrel was legalized, immediately after that crime drops by about 50-60%, and in those where it is banned - it increases by the same amount. And this is connected precisely with psychology. When a criminal knows that he has nothing to resist, he is much more willing to commit a crime than when he realizes that he can get a bullet. And now let's look at mortality statistics in the United States, for example, in 2001:

              auto and motor vehicles - 42 900 people

              Poisoning - 14

              Falls from a height - 14

              Accidents related to suffocation (choking on food, etc.) - 4

              Fire and other sources of fire and smoke - 3

              Firearms - 800

              Notice, it’s not a short-barreled weapon, but a firearm — including the same smooth-bore that anyone can buy from us, having previously obtained permission, and hunting rifled weapons. And only a small part falls on the short barrel.

              And now let's turn to the main source of budget revenues in Ukraine and Russia - alcohol. According to official figures, 40000 people die every year from alcohol in Russia. In Ukraine, despite the smaller population, this is the same number. However, no one ever even hinted at prohibiting the unlimited sale of alcoholic beverages. The only thing they do is increase the price, thereby filling their pockets and saying that they are doing this so that people drink less. And how many die in an accident? According to our statistics, this is 12 people per 100 thousand. population per year and it is 4th place in Europe. So why then do not ban vehicles? Indeed, from him, too, a lot of people die!
            4. 0
              10 February 2013 15: 56
              I'm already scared, so I want to hurry up the law on the legalization of machines
          2. Misantrop
            +4
            9 February 2013 18: 10
            Quote: Botanologist
            Under our criminal law, all prisons will be filled to capacity with such saviors of dignity.
            And cemeteries are opponents of bringing the legislation in order. And the rest will quickly adopt NORMAL laws. Now they "don't blow in the back", so they don't move
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      2. Lucky
        0
        9 February 2013 16: 50
        The authorities will not allow it; at any time an armed revolution can begin! on the swamp how many gathered there is over 50? it's the whole army !!
        1. Misantrop
          +3
          9 February 2013 18: 13
          Quote: Lucky
          on the swamp how many gathered there is over 50? it's the whole army !!

          A roof will not tear off imagine a glamorous kitty with legal battle the trunk? laughing
      3. +7
        9 February 2013 22: 03
        Yes, because they don’t perceive the injury for the weapon — THINK FOR THE TOY — YOU WILL LOOK FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE FOR SHOOTING — 15 days (no matter where — at weddings, in crowded places, they will re-qualify the killing when applying the injury in accidents) and buy without realizing that this thing can kill this asshole .Odnomu hand had to break so as not to poke his piece of iron .MOE OPINION - complete ban WEAPONS TRAFFICKING TRAVMOTICHESKOGO -RAZRESHIT STORAGE barreled semi-automatic weapons (EMKAST STORE SHALL nOT EXCEED 10 rounds) FOR VIOLATION OF LICENSE deprives Basker CRIMINAL LIFE PLUS PUNISHMENT
      4. -1
        10 February 2013 12: 14
        ruslan7608,
        Interestingly, and who brings our population into a drunken state? Previously, they even sold vodka to the spill, and there was nothing drunk there, as it is now. The government is to blame for everything - they are not both in the wrong place, and therefore the whole society has become such. Previously, they helped each other unselfishly, but now, in the eyes only money and material values.
      5. lucidlook
        0
        10 February 2013 13: 14
        Have you seen accident statistics? Especially with drunk drivers driving. So let’s now personal car forbid, and we’ll transfer everyone to trolleybuses, right?
      6. 0
        13 February 2013 17: 23
        if it’s military, they’ll quickly find it in the bulletproof library and put it in prison (a hundred will be put in and no one else will climb behind the barrel just like that), and it’s hard to find anyone using the rubber band from the injury ...
    2. 0
      9 February 2013 12: 20
      An example of what?
      Second place in the world (non-combatant) in mortality from firearms per capita!

      And where does Austria?
      1. who
        who
        0
        17 September 2013 04: 11
        this, by the way, is mainly suicide.
        but in general the place by mortality from one thing does not play a special role.
        if you distribute forks to the population and prohibit knives, then the mortality from forks will start to roll over in comparison with other countries.
        and if, for example, someone decided to commit suicide, then with a pistol he will shoot himself in the head, and without it he will jump from the roof or hang himself.
        it does not say anything about the dangers of a particular firearm; overall mortality is important.
  9. lechatormosis
    +3
    9 February 2013 09: 40
    Iron discipline and unquestioning submission to COMMAND is a good feature of any army.
    However, what will happen if, at such distances in zoo km, the General Staff or the residence of the Chief Officer with the subsequent compulsion to surrender will be captured by a sudden blow.
    Will the SCHWARTZERS have enough spirit to launch a PARTISAN WAR, where there are no rules and orders of the HEAD?
    1. vladsolo56
      +3
      9 February 2013 09: 51
      Quote: lehatormoz
      Iron discipline and unquestioning submission to COMMAND is a good feature of any army.

      All this provided that both discipline and command are within reason, and if, as often happens, hemp at the headquarters, then the best option is the group intelligence of a military unit.
    2. Misantrop
      +2
      9 February 2013 18: 14
      Quote: lehatormoz
      Will the SCHWARTZERS have enough spirit to launch a PARTISAN WAR, where there are no rules and orders of the HEAD?

      Hitler did not dare to test in practice, however. lol
    3. who
      who
      0
      17 September 2013 04: 26
      there was no authority in Switzerland with the power to declare surrender. in 1940, during the threat of an attack from Germany, the commander in chief delivered a speech in which he recalled that any announcement of surrender should be regarded as enemy propaganda and continue to fight further.
  10. +13
    9 February 2013 09: 51
    Well done! But for now, this is not feasible. Too heavy load of errors, flaws. Even at the time, we somehow the sergeants fumbled among themselves about the combat training. After all, our soldiers in most cases dragged outfits, a kitchen, a park, a guard, we had what we took out from the training. And in the linear parts such a picture developed, usually by battalions.
    1 I company - as always the elite, combat training at the height!
    2-I company - army salt, fire training, tactical at the height (my company) .. smile
    3 company - excellent techies and mechanics drivers! Always cars in full combat.

    And then we were all reduced to a heap for the exchange of experience!
    As a rule, they formed a consolidated company and we all PRACIUVALY together! laughing

    NEVER FORGET OUR ELDER! WITH LVIV!
    WITH FAMILY ABRAMOVICH!
    IF HE DIDN'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION, I QUOTE:
    "OTSE HLOPTSI USE DURNYTSI, GO PRATSUITE" .... laughing
  11. spanchbob
    +1
    9 February 2013 10: 17
    One mistake - US reserve of 700 thousand, not 1.3 million
  12. Moritz
    +5
    9 February 2013 10: 47
    and they also have their own strategic nuclear forces, this is the secret of bank deposits
    1. +1
      9 February 2013 12: 17
      Quote: moritz

      and they also have their own strategic nuclear forces, this is the secret of bank deposits

      Yes, it seems no longer, canceled this very secret.
  13. +1
    9 February 2013 10: 50
    I understood everything except one: what the hell is the army for them? request
    1. djon3volta
      0
      9 February 2013 11: 21
      here I also can’t understand, honestly. okay army, but why such, here’s the question !!!
      1. bask
        +6
        9 February 2013 11: 56
        Quote: djon3volta
        I also can’t understand, honestly. Well, the army, but why such a thing, that’s the question !!!

        Then you can ask another question. Why do they make world-class armored vehicles.? What to ride in the mountains.? Military technology LOCOMOTIVE - FOR THE WHOLE INDUSTRY. So everywhere in the industrial world. BTR - ,, Piranha ,, - 3.
        1. +8
          9 February 2013 12: 19
          You can still recall the legendary Erlikons. Yes Well done, the Swiss are not only bankers, but they also honor and develop military affairs.
          1. bask
            +4
            9 February 2013 13: 15
            Quote: Iraclius
            but remember the legendary erlikons

            I agree excellent gunsmiths. And the army, although cropped but combat-ready. And equipped with the last word .... Every male citizen has weapons in the house. We only have this in the ..S. Caucasus. Russia has no weapons. The state does not trust its citizens .And there is complete trust. And not one of the machine guns on the streets is not someone who is not shot.
          2. Moritz
            +2
            9 February 2013 23: 39
            Quote: Iraclius
            You can still recall the legendary Erlikons. yes Well done, the Swiss are not only bankers, but they also honor and develop military affairs.

            with military affairs they have always been on "you", the Swiss guards in which only the armies of the world did not serve, well, they continue to serve according to tradition in the Vatican. And political and military neutrality in the First and Second World War should not be misleading, it is just an indicator that it would be more expensive to contact them. As quickly as France in World War II, they certainly would not have blown away.
        2. +4
          9 February 2013 12: 34
          "Military technologies LOCOMOTIVE - FOR THE WHOLE INDUSTRY"
          -Don't turn down not take away.
          I would add: also an incentive (and even what) for science.
          You cannot feed a country with Swiss cheese alone.
          By the way, here is the case last year:

          A 73-year-old motorist from Wiesbaden, who was photographed by a radar in Switzerland, (in urban conditions he was driving too fast - 16 km / h faster) he could pay a fine of 360 euros, or like "Ersatzbuße" a three-day prison term. Ostensibly because the prisons were full, he was offered 12 hours of cleaning and washing up at the nursing home as punishment.
        3. 0
          9 February 2013 13: 27
          So let them do it for export! Why is it all to yourself? Who will attack Switzerland? Can it really be Luxembourg? laughing
          1. Akim
            +4
            9 February 2013 13: 40
            Quote: zennon
            Who will attack Switzerland

            We will avenge Professor Pleischner! angry
        4. djon3volta
          -2
          9 February 2013 15: 47
          Quote: bask
          Then you can ask another question. Why do they make world-class armored vehicles.?

          they’re doing it to sell, they’re making money, that’s a no brainer. But the army is so powerful for them, answer who the thread is to me laughing Why such an army such an army?!?!?! Why? Why? Why is it a difficult question, what did I ask ???
          1. +6
            9 February 2013 17: 06
            People need something to be taken. Amers Hollywood has an army in Switzerland, and we have nothing but Friday.
          2. Moritz
            +1
            10 February 2013 12: 19
            Quote: djon3volta
            Why such an army such an army?!?!?! Why? Why? Why is it a difficult question, what did I ask ???

            Absolutely not complicated.
            Want to be independent, have a strong army.
            1. 0
              11 February 2013 20: 09
              Clever politics must be had, but the Suis have it!
    2. Misantrop
      +1
      9 February 2013 18: 16
      Quote: zennon
      and to hell with the army?

      And when was the last time an eagle who ventured to try on the strength of their border? wink
      1. 0
        9 February 2013 19: 38
        . In 1798, Switzerland was occupied by France and a constitution was adopted along the lines of the French. In 1803, Napoleon restored independence to Switzerland as part of the Mediation Act.
    3. +1
      9 February 2013 19: 43
      The most interesting thing is that it is the Swiss who guard the Pope and the Vatican winked
      1. scrack
        0
        9 February 2013 23: 58
        The pope is still guarded by well-known Jesuits
      2. 0
        10 February 2013 18: 27
        It is worth noting that in World War II only the Swiss guards from the papal division really seriously prepared for the defense of the Vatican - machine guns there and so on.
      3. ISO
        ISO
        0
        12 February 2013 15: 51
        They took into account the sad experience of the first transnational financial and industrial group for the organization of the tourism business named after TAMPLIEROV and included the political factor in the cycle of dough
    4. Beck
      +4
      10 February 2013 14: 27
      Quote: zennon
      I understood everything except one: what the hell is the army for them?


      Roman historian Cornelius Nepat (94-24 BC)

      SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM.

      If you want Peace, get ready for War.

      They will see that you are getting ready and ready = they will not attack.
      1. 0
        11 February 2013 20: 07
        Who, who, who will attack? Yes, I believe in Cheburashka with Pinocchio easier! request
    5. who
      who
      0
      17 September 2013 04: 27
      so not to fight.
  14. +5
    9 February 2013 10: 54
    I put the article +, although it is felt that the data are taken from different sources and do not coincide with each other in the context of the article:
    first "What's in service? A lot of things - more than 800 (!) Tanks and armored vehicles", then "In total, the Swiss troops are armed with 687 tanks and 483 units of other armored equipment." (i.e., over 1100 in total).
  15. stranik72
    +3
    9 February 2013 11: 26
    vladsolo56,
    All this provided that both discipline and command are within reason, if, as is often the case with hemp at headquarters, then the best option is the group intelligence of a military unit.
    I laughed at your phrase, presented the situation that the decision to attack is taken by the assembly, nonsense. The article is a cognitive plus, but the army of this country has never fought anywhere. And being a world champion in "battles with your own shadow" and going through blood, loss and pain in real life (battle, war) are completely different conditions for assessing the combat capability of an army. So what kind of army it is in Switzerland no one knows in reality, but there can be a lot of assumptions and the result is on the battlefield. ...
    1. vladsolo56
      +3
      9 February 2013 12: 26
      Quote: stranik72
      I laughed at your phrase, presented the situation that the decision to attack is taken by the assembly, nonsense. The article is a cognitive plus, but the army of this country has never fought anywhere. And being a world champion in "battles with your own shadow" and going through blood, loss and pain in real life (battle, war) are completely different conditions for assessing the combat capability of an army. So what kind of army it is in Switzerland no one knows in reality, but there can be a lot of assumptions and the result is on the battlefield. ...



      And what’s funny, you’re a strange person, you probably don’t know that the partisan formations during the Second World War didn’t work out plans for one person, and there were at least 10 people at the headquarters. You shouldn’t exaggerate everything, no one assumes that military leadership issues can be submitted to referendum. And again I repeat that this is only a measure subject to a moronic command, or can you say that this does not happen?
      1. stranik72
        +2
        9 February 2013 13: 58
        "And what's funny, you are a strange person, you probably do not know that during the Second World War, partisan formations developed plans not by one person, but by a headquarters in which at least 10 people were. You should not exaggerate everything, no one assumes that questions of the military leadership can be brought up to the referendum. And again I repeat that this is a measure only on condition of a moronic command, or can you say that this does not happen? "
        YOU ARE NOT SERVING IN THE ARMY, and therefore I’m too lazy to explain something to you, I’ll say only one thing, sometimes thousands or more people are involved in the preparation of a decision for the commander, and the decision is made by one commander, then this is the army, by the way, in partisan detachments so it was, one-man management is the essence of the army.
        1. vladsolo56
          0
          9 February 2013 17: 13
          Maybe I didn’t put it that way, I want to clarify, in my one-man management and discipline should not be based on drill, punishment and coercion, but on the authority of the military commander, you will not argue that if the commander stumps, then no discipline and one-man management will help, that's what I wanted say, during the war there were cases when the commanders were the first to run away and then the soldiers and sergeants fought on their own, as this is another matter.
  16. +5
    9 February 2013 11: 29
    Switzerland has the strongest army so intimidating everyone that since Napoleon no one has been bothering with it, it’s just called a little strange. The Swiss Banking System is the most reliable in the world and those in green are their kind of sport and leisure.
    1. who
      who
      0
      17 September 2013 04: 32
      that is, to get rid of the robbers, is it enough to store more gold at home, and to make everyone aware of this? original way
  17. +5
    9 February 2013 11: 39
    Well, yes, shooting enthusiasm, healthy patriotism, etc., but the tenacious claws of the homeland are also available. If you do not appear on the agenda (session, wedding, binge, vacation, etc.), a fine shines and imprisonment under such a terrible article that ordinary Swiss can put an end to his career. Nobody will ever take him to decent work again. White ticket? Are you blind, sick or an emigrant? Get a 3 percent army maintenance tax. An alternate pacifist? Get the same summons, but raking in municipal shit, and a half times more often. Do you work abroad and for no reason forgot / did not get to the fees? See above - prison is your home.

    A great recipe for solving some problems, both in the Russian Army and in Russian society as a whole1
  18. - = ALEX = -
    0
    9 February 2013 11: 47
    In my own country, I have always said that being a neutral country is very expensive and the authorities will never agree to the general arming of the population, because they are afraid of their people. He always cited as an example the costs and mobilization model of Switzerland, the scale of which has always been a revelation for the average man in the street, who consider the Swiss to be such "herbivorous" pacifists. Therefore, for Ukraine there are only two options either to overstrain itself in militarization (and still not get a balanced development of all components of the Armed Forces) or to join NATO ensuring the development of those components of the Armed Forces in which the country is the most competitor and the feasible maintenance of equipped troops necessary to protect part of the perimeter of the countries belonging to the organization ... Also, with the entry into NATO, the country receives great opportunities in cooperation with developed countries in the military-industrial complex.
    1. Misantrop
      +6
      9 February 2013 18: 21
      Quote: - = ALEX = -
      Also, with the entry into NATO, the country gains great opportunities in cooperation with developed countries in the field of defense industry.

      Lesha, the leading NATO countries will first of all close the fuck up all the factories of the military-industrial complex. Why the hell are they competitors? And Ukrainian soldiers will receive the honorary right to act in general groupings as "cannon fodder" (for it’s not a pity) and sorting washers (for the rest of the zapadlo)
      1. - = ALEX = -
        0
        9 February 2013 21: 32
        No one has closed the factories either in Poland or anywhere else, and no one imposes their weapons on NATO member countries. It all depends on the defense budgets and technological capabilities of these countries. For example, Cyprus bought the T-80, and Greece bought the S-300PMU1. But with non-NATO members, there is practically no cooperation in their own interests in the defense sphere, only limited cooperation on a commercial basis. Even now, NATO is placing orders in Ukraine, and as a NATO member country, such cooperation will only deepen. With regard to "cannon fodder", any NATO member state can refuse to participate in NATO missions and even veto such a mission. These are well-known facts, but perhaps someone is pleased to repeat propaganda cliches-myths.
        1. Misantrop
          +2
          9 February 2013 21: 40
          Quote: - = ALEX = -
          No one closed the plants in Poland or anywhere else.
          And what, the Polish military-industrial complex has samples of weapons that can make a real competition for existing weapons in NATO? And the possibility of serious mass production as such? LuAZ - an awesome battlefield transporter was, on patency and cost, tear all the rest, like a Tuzik heating pad. And it is being repaired right in the trench with a hammer and matyugs. Well, where is he now? Despite the fact that the demand for it has ALWAYS significantly exceeded supply. Even in the domestic Ukrainian market
          1. - = ALEX = -
            0
            9 February 2013 21: 53
            Quote: Misantrop
            And what, the Polish military-industrial complex has samples of weapons that can make a real competition for existing weapons in NATO?


            For example, Russia is only trying to create such a project according to the Kurganets project.

            http://topwar.ru/15503-polskiy-legkiy-tank-lc-08-anders-poluchaet-bashennuyu-cha
            st-ct-cv-s-105-mm-orudiem.html
            1. Misantrop
              +1
              9 February 2013 23: 30
              Quote: - = ALEX = -
              Russia is only trying to create such a project according to the Kurganets project

              Is that so? I doubt it very much. This (and at the same price) is able to make an average steep car service. The comments in that article, by the way, fully confirm this lol
              1. - = ALEX = -
                0
                9 February 2013 23: 59
                95% of comments on this site are posted by lamers. Anders is a decent machine at a decent technological level, by the way it has a lot of Ukrainian systems.
                1. Misantrop
                  +1
                  10 February 2013 01: 31
                  The technological level is one thing, and combat effectiveness and combat stability are something else.
  19. Akim
    +1
    9 February 2013 12: 24
    And I do not agree with the article (but did not set a minus). The most militarized country in Europe, and probably in the world is ... Greece. On its 10 million population, it has an army in size as Ukrainian (180 thousand), there are almost 2 times more combat tanks (1250), the fleet is the most powerful in the region apart from (Turkish and the Black Sea Fleet). Artillery attack helicopters and the Air Force are at a fairly modern level and in large numbers.
  20. 0
    9 February 2013 12: 24
    The country is very small, very rich. The army is stupid. The police are on top. The franc regulator dies immediately after external aggression. Suvorov well done showed that the army should be. In the meantime, there is something like a well-equipped explosive.
  21. 0
    9 February 2013 13: 04
    Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems I read this article last year on zbroya.info.
    1. smprofi
      +2
      9 February 2013 13: 46
      Quote: cth; fyn
      May be wrong

      Yes there is a bit.
      this article appeared 5 years (or more) ago under the title "Khaki Country" on noname. some when reprinting honestly indicate the source.
  22. politruk419
    +2
    9 February 2013 13: 12
    A lot of reasonable and instructive moments. Glad for Swissov. They wanted to bend their line and spit on other Europe.
  23. +3
    9 February 2013 13: 17
    Uff ... Impressed. Thanks to the author, I didn’t even know. Now it’s clear where Hollywood’s legs are growing. Remember the movie Starship Troopers, almost the same militarized society-division into citizens (who served) and non-citizens (who did not). And, the most colorful figure of Sergeant Zim , in practice, explained to the especially gifted that the enemy would not press the button if his hand was nailed with an ordinary bayonet-knife. wink
    They have serious training, for example, for a year of service, I shot 24 soldiers from Kalash (2 times for 3 cartridges in single, and 2 times for 9 cartridges in bursts) and a mustache. Strategic Missile Forces Communications, DMB 1995. And when the month "partisan" we generally did not hold weapons given, for a reason ... well, you yourself understand everything. With our contingent, the military generally had a hard time knowing what to do. And why spend money on THIS ??? Although here you are, the European model. So, goodbye to arms. crying
    1. 0
      11 February 2013 23: 23
      Actually, of course, it’s strange. First, the fighters have no rifle, and then they bring zinc to the same shooting range and shoot in the fire order almost around the clock - if only they would not. request
  24. +10
    9 February 2013 13: 22
    It is unlikely that anyone will ever (at least in the foreseeable future) attack Switzerland. For one simple reason - no one is cutting chicken laying golden eggs. And the Swiss themselves are well aware ...
    But here the approach to building the armed forces and, above all, to its mobilization component is interesting and most importantly effective (as applied to Switzerland itself). And the discipline of Swiss citizens is simply unique and deserves all admiration. And I think that she does not rest only and not so much on penalties and fear of getting into the bunk (I doubt very much that they are in their prisons!), But primarily on a sense of duty, patriotism and self-awareness. And this is just worth learning from ...

    And there is another point that has attracted my attention - regular re-equipment (rotation of weapons, replacing obsolete models with new ones) ...
    Yes, the army is small, enough money, and the Swiss can afford it. But from this we can conclude that they are unlikely to be stolen and sawed from them. At least on the scale in which it came up with us during the time of the memorable (and to this day unsinkable!) Sergeant-maid Anatol Taburetkin ...
  25. +3
    9 February 2013 13: 33
    The Swiss were the first in the world to abandon heavy armor, relying on military equipment and the mobility of a fighter. And the Swiss Guard unit - it sounded! Although there were mercenaries, of course.
    The most important thing here, in my opinion, is that this state belongs to the Swiss people. Because it is absolutely not afraid of its people. And yes, it can be destroyed. And you can't capture and establish your own order. All these "new type wars" are useless here.
  26. Akim
    +3
    9 February 2013 13: 37
    Rezun (Suvorov) in the same way wrote that there were 1,5 million paratroopers in the Union, because everyone went to flying clubs. Any global economy will collapse if more than 10% of the population is mobilized. And here as many as 25! Moreover, mobilization does not mean that he came to the army with his machine gun and went to partisan. This requires interaction not only in the brigades, but also in the corps. The Swiss are not Afghan mujahideen who are accustomed to the "Spartan" life from childhood. It's all nonsense!
    1. Akim
      +1
      9 February 2013 14: 12
      Quote: Akim
      Any world economy will collapse if they mobilize more than 10% of the population. And here as many as 25!

      Sorry wrong - economics of a country
      1. who
        who
        0
        17 September 2013 04: 29
        You want to say that the Swiss economy has long collapsed, or what exactly?
    2. 0
      9 February 2013 14: 15
      It all depends on the time for which they are mobilized.
      1. Akim
        +3
        9 February 2013 14: 29
        Lopatov,

        Yes, even a week. The economy will become. Losses will be huge. I used to read old military magazines. In theory, China could put 100 million under arms per day, but it never even carried out a partial mobilization.
        1. +4
          9 February 2013 14: 51
          The second option is that the economy will go over to the enemy.

          Switzerland is not Russia, there is nowhere to retreat particularly, and therefore the war of attrition, in which their economy will be involved, transferred to military rails, is not their option.
          Their task is to show the enemy that they can inflict unacceptable losses on him in case of an attack on Switzerland
  27. Avenger711
    0
    9 February 2013 13: 51
    That is, it’s simply not the army, but a bunch of civilians in military uniform who go to shoot once a year to smoke, to smoke, and in the evenings to clearly drink beer in the tent. Directly a camping trip and a change of scenery for the state. score. Just because it’s so customary. At the same time, Switzerland does not shine in terms of the number of heavy weapons.

    For example, the Air Force, according to pedivikia, includes 60 ancient F-5Es, which were previously the bottom and 33 F / A-18C / D. The question is whether such a "powerful" group will be able to provide at least some kind of air cover for 650 people. As for the mobilization of 2 million, this is more than 25% of the population, that is, all men without exception, the USSR mobilized less than 20% for the entire Second World War, and then the men are in short supply of steel. 2 million at once for Switzerland is an immediate collapse of the industry. So don't be scared, don't be scary. Back in WWII, superiority in artillery was decided even with equal forces in the infantry, and in WWII, artillery inflicted 80% of all losses.
  28. +3
    9 February 2013 13: 51
    Yeah, impressive, well done Swiss! We would have to take the same approach regarding the Cossacks. Like what was under the Tsar, plus this Swiss experience. The country needs a combat-ready, quickly mobilizable reserve. Needed, whatever one may say. Authorities should stop being afraid of their citizens, who keep weapons and uniforms at home in case of rapid mobilization. It’s just that these citizens should be prepared in an appropriate manner and have certain obligations
    1. Avenger711
      -3
      10 February 2013 13: 56
      Do you know who the Cossacks are?
      In essence (semi), the robber mass is of use only as long as they live on the border with various kinds of troubled neighbors. And so they were ready to serve the one who pays the most. Don’t pay, so we will rob you a little.
      So to raise gangs of the 15-18 centuries from the floor (floor) is somehow gross.
      1. 0
        10 February 2013 21: 56
        What do you know about the Cossacks? They have fed and defended Russia for centuries, Vladimr Atlasov, Erofei Khabarov, Semyon Dezhnev, Ermak-many, many, faithfully served Russia. And how many fought for the country. Remember at least Platov. And as a country treated them in1919-1922 m ... What would you smear them with dirt? Yes, you do not stand dust on their boots!
      2. +2
        11 February 2013 00: 07
        There is such an authoritative person named Napoleon, read his words about these robbers. I won’t talk about military qualities, but these robbers were still farming in such a way that the collective farms and the state farms got into trouble, but did not repeat.
  29. galiullinrasim
    0
    9 February 2013 14: 24
    it’s not acceptable for us, especially that the weapon is at home. They will shoot all four.
    1. Misantrop
      +6
      9 February 2013 18: 28
      Quote: galiullinrasim
      It’s not acceptable, especially that the weapon is at home. They will shoot all four.

      Share who you shoot first, appear at your place of arms? And who last time did you stab with a kitchen knife right after you bought it? It would also be interesting to know how many military secrets you have sold since the time you got the computer and the Internet lol
      1. Misantrop
        +4
        9 February 2013 19: 03
        And again the silent minus ... lol How, probably, it is pleasant to consider yourself the ONLY smart and responsible among the crowd of stupid inadequacies. That's just voicing it out loud a point is playing ... laughing
    2. 0
      15 February 2013 03: 44
      google - the amount of weapons the population has on hand today. it is a lot, a lot and nothing, we live. I have it myself, but so far I didn’t want to bring down anyone. but I know that if some bastard sticks, then the shaft is tight.
  30. +1
    9 February 2013 14: 56
    Honestly, I did not know before that the Swiss had such an army. As for me, I would not refuse to serve like that
  31. eduard.ganush
    +2
    9 February 2013 15: 37
    Excellent training and reserve system.
  32. MG42
    +3
    9 February 2013 15: 45
    Switzerland = a purely neutral country does not belong to either NATO or the EU. World War II went around it. We all saw Pleischner walking around the zoo when bombs fell around this country. The secret in their banks is capital from around the world. No one is interested in burning a wallet in the fire where part of his money is. He said a little crookedly as I think.
    1. Misantrop
      +1
      9 February 2013 18: 30
      Quote: MG42
      The secret in their banks is capital from around the world. No one is interested in burning a wallet in the fire where part of his money is.
      Unprotect Sberbank. How long will it last until the first robbery? Despite the fact that most of the deposits of the country's population are out of habit in it ...
      1. Tsoi is alive
        +1
        9 February 2013 18: 35
        Ex ...... where is the troll that he wrote about the Japanese economy.
        A new message came to him from Japan:
        Japanese public debt by the end of the current fiscal year, which ends March 31, will be 1,016 quadrillion yen ($ 10,9 trillion), local media reported citing the Ministry of Finance.

        This is economics !!!
      2. MG42
        +4
        9 February 2013 18: 36
        Quote: Misantrop
        Unprotect Sberbank.

        Do you think Hitler did not attack Switzerland because there was a powerful army (guard). Or were there other reasons?
        1. Misantrop
          +1
          9 February 2013 18: 43
          Quote: MG42
          Or were there other reasons?

          I personally believe that there were many causes of non-aggression. And among them - not a single elementary one. But the fact is that when crossing the Swiss border he would have scrubbed a wild number of problems, including the shooting of his troops by the local population - a fact. And the same fact is that by seizing the assets of Swiss banks, he could dictate his terms to the richest part of the planet
          1. MG42
            +2
            9 February 2013 18: 56
            Allegedly = Germans are fighting against Swiss Germans? But German troops entered Austria nevertheless in 1938. And where is the gold of the Reich?
            1. 0
              9 February 2013 19: 49
              Austria and Germany are one country and people welcomed their association. Look at newsreels. One culture, one language. They do not distinguish each other.
              1. MG42
                +3
                9 February 2013 20: 31
                Quote: zennon
                Austria and Germany are one country and people welcomed their association.

                Sure?

                Quote: zennon
                Look at the newsreels. One culture, one language. They do not distinguish each other.

                Was it Nazi Germany at all, or are you hinting that Hitler was born in Austria, in Braunau am Inn near the border with Germany?
                1. +1
                  9 February 2013 21: 09
                  I said that this is one people, language, culture. And the Nazi is not Nazi people violet. Yes, Hitler is an Austrian, but this is the same as saying the Bavarian or Prusak. The separation after the 2nd world is arbitrary. The people can’t hold back, the Anschluss will repeat. They merge like drops of mercury.
                2. Avenger711
                  0
                  10 February 2013 13: 58
                  In general, yes. It's just that they are now forbidden to unite. Austria for Germany as for us Ukraine.
            2. who
              who
              0
              17 September 2013 04: 38
              Well, yes, that is the difference between Austria and Switzerland.

              "Of all the neutral countries, Switzerland deserves the most recognition. It was the only international force uniting destroyed nations. [...] It was a democratic state, ready to defend its freedom and independence in the mountains, but with thoughts on the side of the Allies - despite belonging to the German nation ".
              Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
      3. 0
        9 February 2013 20: 04
        There is no need to compare the international community with a gang of gopniks, simply because the golniki are interested in not knowing what their arts are, and in the middle of Europe, states in a bad dream are not supposed to attack a neutral country and ruin their image. there! And the electorate will not allow it.
        1. Misantrop
          +3
          9 February 2013 21: 26
          Quote: zennon
          And the states in the center of Europe in a bad dream will not dream of attacking a neutral country and spoiling their image. They can live there! And the electorate will not allow it.

          Tell it to the citizens of Yugoslavia, they will appreciate winked Who was threatened by neutral Yugoslavia after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact? Nevertheless, she was joyfully shredded to pieces. Under the leadership of the United States, it’s true, but the Europeans were also not there in the corners. What is characteristic is that the electorate allowed, and the image (official) did not spoil ...
          1. +2
            9 February 2013 22: 42
            Don't be confused! The Balkans have always been a powder keg. Serbs, Slovenes, Bosniaks and Croats have always lived like a cat and a dog. Different religions, orientation to different centers of power. It was a state of unstable equilibrium. As soon as the Eastern bloc subsided, so did the Western "democracies "and settled in new territories. What is in common with Switzerland? By the way, there was a referendum with the question of almost abolishing the army. It was called" an unheard-of manifestation of common sense. "
            1. Misantrop
              +1
              10 February 2013 01: 23
              Quote: zennon
              Do not confuse! The Balkans have always been a powder keg. Serbs, Slovenes, Bosnians and Croats always lived like a cat and a dog. Different religions, orientations to different centers of power. This was a state of unstable equilibrium.
              That is, it is not necessary to confuse internal showdowns with external intervention. Well, about a cat and a dog, name at least one European country with a monolithic population. If you wish, in any you can find a reason for the escalation of the conflict. And smash it in the cries of democratization.
              And Switzerland, by the way, is not a unitary country at all. It is a confederation of cantons. A couple of years to inflate contradictions - and you can go "reconcile" with air strikes. Well, the "powder keg" has long been customary to call those territories for which the neighbors had thoughtful plans (with appetites). So they fanned the fire, not letting it go out, counting on dividends
              1. +1
                10 February 2013 11: 11
                There was no need to inflate anything! You were apparently absent at that time on planet earth. I will refresh your memory. In 1992, there was no neutral Yugoslavia. "Brothers forever" fought not childishly. Olympic Sarajevo turned into Beirut. Ethnic cleansing (since all sides) swallowed up many thousands of people, and tens of thousands left their homes and even dug up the coffins of their ancestors from their native land, so as not to leave the "brotherly peoples." The electorate of the whole world called for the introduction of blue helmets. And in Switzerland I was at work. I do not speak much. in German and communicated with people. Many understand, let's say, the redundancy of defense spending. They refer to tradition, but they find it difficult to name a hypothetical enemy ...
                1. Misantrop
                  +1
                  10 February 2013 17: 11
                  Quote: zennon
                  There was no neutral Yugoslavia in 1992. "Brothers for the Life" did not fight like children.
                  Yeah, well, suddenly they themselves got into a fight. And no one pushed them by the arm, didn’t feed them with money, did not whisper ideas ... A kind of collective madness, well, absolutely for no clear reason ... winked Fairy tales are a good thing, but it’s still not worth considering them to be true, not children nevertheless. And in the 90s, in fact, it was often absent on the planet’s surface: the North Pole region, 200 m deep. wink
                  Quote: zennon
                  The electorate of the whole world called for the introduction of blue helmets
                  Well, finish talking: "... to punish the Serb ghouls, cutting peaceful Ustasha, Croats and the incarnation of angels on earth - unfortunate Albanians." Have you forgotten anyone? But now, on the site of the historical heart of Serbia, a drug-terrorist enclave of those very newly-minted sufferers and angels is comfortably located. In which, by a strange coincidence, there was no place for the Serbs ... Well, it just happened, absolutely without external influence request
                  1. +1
                    10 February 2013 21: 42
                    Do not ascribe to me what I did not say. This is a sneaky technique. The peoples of the former Yugoslavia never lived in friendship. More or less Tito held them with authority. Fortunately, I know well the value of the ostentatious world. Frunze in Kyrgyzstan. I was born there and lived there for 41 years. Everywhere they wrote about "friendship and brotherhood is our wealth." Chush sobachya. And about the sudden collective madness remember at least Ustasha. In war they declared Bosnia and the Duchess "an inseparable part of Croatia." They staged a terrible terror against the Serbs, and not only. Tito, himself a Croat, after the war pressed them. About the Albanians, this drug bastard, who sell Serb organs, I also don’t need to explain. Even Carla Del Ponto, this is Torquemado in a skirt. And you yourself contradict yourself when you write about it. What kind of "neutral Yugoslavia" was it? And what is in common with Switzerland. You still remember the Tutsi brothers with Hutu in Africa. You are swimming in history, and not only at a depth of 200 meters in the region of the North Pole, although this is just behind serves respect. sad
                    1. Misantrop
                      0
                      12 February 2013 11: 16
                      Quote: zennon
                      And you yourself contradict yourself when you write about it. What kind of "neutral Yugoslavia" was it?

                      There is no contradiction. The ethnic problems that existed in Yugoslavia were precisely internal, external Yugoslavia did not pose a threat to its neighbors.
                      Quote: zennon
                      about sudden collective madness remember at least ustashi

                      Why should I remember about them? I never forgot. A similar "madness" was in Moldova, Georgia, etc. One and the same worn-out script written in a familiar overseas country for both of us. And the directors are from the same place. Implementation details, and those are most often the same.

                      As for the Kirghiz, there are also here, in the Crimea, also under the guise of Crimean Tatars, they came. As well as Uzbeks, Turkmens, etc. etc. In reality, now of the returned Crimean Tartars - it's good if one of a dozen who were raked from everywhere and sent to Crimea, promising heaven on earth during their lifetime. Carefully built fire of the next "sudden madness". Except it NEVER flames itself.
              2. Avenger711
                0
                10 February 2013 14: 01
                Very monolithic, oddly enough, Russia. Europe, although a patchwork quilt, but much has settled down and separatist sentiments somewhere in Italy, or the lands of Germany are unlikely to exceed those in the 19th century Ukraine.
                In the Balkans, religious factors are added to national factors.
                1. Misantrop
                  +1
                  10 February 2013 17: 20
                  Quote: Avenger711
                  Europe, although a patchwork quilt, but much has settled down and separatist sentiments somewhere in Italy, or the lands of Germany are unlikely to exceed those in the 19th century Ukraine.

                  Georgians with Abkhazians also lived quite peacefully. And then a landing of Zviadists from "Mkhedrioni" landed in Pitsunda and staged the most common ethnic massacre. Or do you think the Abkhazians are out of the blue to take up arms? Given that at the beginning of the war, the Abkhaz army was armed with 32 cop AK, AN-2 and two motor hang-gliders as bomber aircraft. In 94, my brother with his platoon guarded the coast just in Pitsunda, so he saw enough with his own eyes ...

                  And the same question: "Zviad Gamsakhurdia invented it all himself or who whispered it?" Aren't they the same "benefactors" who later added a tie-expert to the Georgian throne?
                  And from the orange Maidan, where are the legs growing from, what from the very beginning did a bunch of youth activists from Serbia suddenly draw themselves? The same ones that a few years before in the peaceful before this Yugoslavia blew up the situation ... winked
                  1. 0
                    11 February 2013 23: 36
                    I completely agree. Unfortunately, I know about the Abkhaz events by hearsay. (
              3. who
                who
                0
                17 September 2013 04: 41
                Well, well, please tell us in more detail about fanning contradictions. except among fans at football matches between Zurich and Basel)
  33. StolzSS
    +10
    9 February 2013 16: 02
    It's funny to read comments like they don’t have real combat experience))) And those who write these comments have it ??? In my company there were 18 specialists with combat experience, and after 2 years, two remained. A year later, we broke out at 4 to shoot ala type for hunting, and so at 10 and even at 9 no one hit because for 3 years the carbine was in the safe and everyone made 30 shots ... And they shoot the whole country and regularly so that is enough for them experience to defend their country))) Another surprising comment about nuclear weapons is it useful to use it there ???
    1. stranik72
      0
      9 February 2013 22: 18
      "It's funny to read comments like they don't have real combat experience)))"
      Yes, it’s not funny to read when people don’t understand that real combat experience is not only what is in Oiisk at the moment, but real combat experience is what is at headquarters in military science and the country's governance system during this period, here what we are talking about here, the Swiss army has no such experience.
      1. Misantrop
        +1
        10 February 2013 17: 26
        Quote: stranik72
        the Swiss army has no such experience.
        Nobody argues, they have no such experience. But on the other hand, there is real experience of interaction as part of units, handling equipment and weapons. Which is faster and easier: having arrived in another country, to study the features of traffic rules on its territory or to learn to drive from scratch?
  34. AK-47
    +10
    9 February 2013 16: 39
    A serious army, everything is thought out to the smallest detail, even socks not torn came up.
    Imagine socks that do not tear, do not rub their legs, and most importantly do not need to be washed for a whole (!) Week. Swiss scientists claim that they were able to create such wonderful socks using high technology. In May of this year, the military from the Swiss army tested the innovation on themselves, having arranged a real field test for socks. The Swiss military wore socks for a week without changing or washing them. After which, scientists began their research.
    1. +1
      10 February 2013 12: 25
      do not show the Ministry of Defense and skolkovo, otherwise they will immediately come up with nano-footcloths)))) but generally well done Swiss. and the sin for such a country does not serve once a year for 3 weeks.
      1. 0
        11 February 2013 23: 39
        But the scientist is without a gas mask! Indeed brutal socks smile
  35. Lucky
    -6
    9 February 2013 16: 54
    We will redraw the gas to them and the matter is in the hat))))) they will climb out of their bunkers themselves))) 300 km will surround everything))
    1. Igor
      +7
      9 February 2013 18: 08
      Quote: Lucky
      We will redraw them the gas and it’s the hat)))))


      People like you p..lucky and Grozny took the paratroopers with a battalion of paratroopers, and then said, "What am I, I'm not to blame!"
  36. +1
    9 February 2013 17: 52
    Lopatov,
    For God's sake, explain WHAT the enemy is and what Switzerland should show! Tell someone with whom to fight, do not let her die like an idiot!
    1. 0
      9 February 2013 19: 52
      They have bank vaults under the squares! They will protect money, Money !!! ))))
      1. +2
        9 February 2013 21: 12
        From whom?! Can anyone explain who the adversary is? request
        1. Moritz
          0
          10 February 2013 12: 08
          Quote: zennon
          From whom?! Can anyone explain who the adversary is? request

          in our unpredictable world anyone can turn out to be an adversary
          1. +1
            10 February 2013 12: 37
            For example, aliens. No one contains an army just in case. Possible options are being worked out. Today, for the speculative future, there are none ...
  37. +4
    9 February 2013 18: 53
    Switzerland is a neutral, non-bloc country (that is, without allies). It should be so. In the middle of the 16th century, the Swiss halberdiers and pikemen crushed the knightly cavalry, which for 6 centuries was the only branch of the army in Europe. Hitler, for all his disregard for neutral status, as such, at one time did not dare to attack Switzerland. Oerlikon Contraves AG, SIG, Brugger + Thomet AG, Victorinox - an incomplete list of well-known world-class Swiss firms that produce weapons. Certainly, the Swiss will not "feed someone else's army"!
    1. +2
      9 February 2013 19: 15
      In honor of telling the knightly cavalry overwhelmed not only the Swiss. Moreover, this was done much earlier than the sixteenth century you indicated, dear knn54...
      Well, for example, the Battle of Courthra that happened in 1302, in which the Flanders infantry cracked the French army along with its heavy cavalry ... In general, this battle is considered the beginning of the sunset of the knightly cavalry ...
      A little later, already during the Hundred Years War, the English infantry also repeatedly paid heavy enemy cavalry. Again, the French ... Take even the battle that has become a textbook battle at Poitiers ...
      So the Swiss were far from the first in this respect ...
      1. +1
        9 February 2013 19: 55
        Respected. Vasily. The Flemings pre-selected and prepared the area (here: ditches) for the future battlefield and confined themselves to deaf defense in a tight formation - the example of Curtre remains the only one. At the Battle of Poitiers, the British had 7000 people: crossbowmen, archers and others had about a thousand, the rest were heavy cavalry. The English archers were located in a marshy swampy area, difficult for heavy cavalry. The French had 500 elite knight cavalry in service, the rest were infantry and dismounted horsemen. So this example is unsuccessful.
        The Swiss battle (phalanx) smashed the cavalry regularly, including in the open field. As they say: once a chance, two times a coincidence. Three times a regularity.
        1. +3
          9 February 2013 21: 33
          The fact that the battlefield was prepared speaks only in favor of the "Belgian" comrades. So to speak, they used engineering obstacles wisely and profitably ...
          With regards to Poitiers, the British did the same more than wisely, using the terrain. How can you not remember Mr. Fiales Fog (the one who, according to J. Verne, made a voyage around the world in 80 days), who tirelessly loved to teach Passepartout: "Use what is at hand" ...
          With regards to 500 people of heavy cavalry in those years ... You know this is not a small number for those times. More than a solid strike force ... I really don’t know which analogue to choose from the present, but a comparison with a tank division will probably be the most suitable ...

          In no way am I going to question the fact that the Swiss successfully smashed the heavy cavalry. But do not forget that they did it (and, no less successfully) before them. Even if in slightly different circumstances and other methods ...

          Your health, Nikolai! .. drinks
    2. Avenger711
      0
      10 February 2013 14: 11
      In the middle of the 16th century there was already artillery and even the first guns.
      1. +2
        11 February 2013 09: 50
        Well, artillery took a more or less regular part in wars starting exactly from the end of the fourteenth century ... All kinds of arquebus were a bit later ...
        But they (at that time!) Did not have a cardinal influence on the tactics of warfare itself. She, as was linear, so she remained. The cavalry remained the main striking force. Moreover, heavy cavalry was given considerable attention. She has not disappeared. It just changed to transform into cuirassiers ...

        As for linear tactics, it began to slowly burst at the seams in the wars of the middle of the century before last. Suffice it to recall the Crimean War, where, in fact, for the first time, an infantry chain was used instead of a closed formation (for example, the famous so-called "thin red line") ...
        Then the Prussians excelled and the needle guns shook the linear tactics thoroughly. But not completely ... Finally, a machine gun killed her. He essentially reduced the cavalry from the rank of the main striking force of the ground forces ...
        But all this happened at the beginning of the last century. And in the sixteenth, everything essentially remained the same as before - square, spearhead, cavalry strikes. True, all this was diluted with the smoky roar of guns and arquebuses. Although, in honor, to say from them there was more noise than sense, and therefore people preferred to chop and cut in the old way ...
  38. saved
    +3
    9 February 2013 19: 09
    Interesting article. However, I somehow hardly imagine that. A state is capable of deploying from a 22-thousandth in two-four hours (!) A 650-thousandth, and in two days a 1.7-million (!) Army, For all this, at least for a while, everyone needs to be somehow arranged and organized .!
    1. Misantrop
      +2
      9 February 2013 21: 32
      Quote: saved
      With all this, at least for a while, everyone needs to be somehow arranged and organized.!

      And no one is going to call ALL and SIMULTANEOUSLY. The fact that they can mobilize anyone, only says that they can carry out selective mobilization, the very composition and composition that they will need at the moment. Having the opportunity to choose in this business is a HUGE plus
      1. Avenger711
        +1
        10 February 2013 14: 24
        In practice, this will only lead to the fact that the army will have nothing but infantry. No guns, no tanks, no vehicles. The Swiss army itself has fewer than 1300 armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles.

        Miracles do not happen, the Soviet counterattack near Moscow became possible only due to:
        1) Super-competent evacuation of industry.
        2) A huge stockpile of weapons, even if outdated, for example, 76 mm guns was available on 22.06.1941/200/XNUMX XNUMX% of the state, which was pulled out of warehouses, until the evacuated industry was fully operational.

        Which of these has Switzerland, except for the rifle at every home? Even in the days of Suvorov and Napoleon, heavy weapons were already steering.

        There is no choice during the mobilization, the first to leave are those who have just served urgent and have no families, rather than 40-year-old engineers with 3 children.
        1. Misantrop
          +2
          11 February 2013 11: 23
          Quote: Avenger711
          There is no choice during the mobilization, the first to leave are those who have just served urgent and have no families, rather than 40-year-old engineers with 3 children.

          When everyone is rowing in a row, regardless of age, profession, number of children and health - this is called "no choice". Long range heavy weapons? And why the heck is it to a country that has such dimensions and has no territorial claims on the planet? Few delivery vehicles? Again the question is, why are they with defense fortified areas? Where to make long-distance raids on this technique, who to chase ?. At the slightest threat, the Swiss (like gnomes) will climb underground and slam shut hatches. And to hell with what, besides heavy nuclear warheads, you pick them out from there. But who and why would begin to spend them on it, and without this, there are enough goals. The only task of their army is the defense of fortifications and the near field. She is imprisoned under her request
  39. +2
    9 February 2013 19: 11
    Respect and full respect to the Swiss !!!! This is what it means to study military affairs in this way.
    Well done!
  40. +3
    9 February 2013 19: 30
    Respect to the small people with long knives.
  41. +4
    9 February 2013 19: 46
    Close blood relatives now live in Switzerland, (not citizens etessno, and there is nothing to it there, many live without citizenship all their lives and do not feel discomfort), he himself was there. Calm, well-fed country, everything for people. The population is friendly and superpolite .. "The second place in the world (non-belligerent) in mortality from firearms per capita!" - I have not heard of this, sorry ... Since 1999, relatives there - they have not heard anything like this ...
    But the state is not afraid of trusting citizens with weapons;) Huh? .. Yes, culture, however ... We would have such orders ... and the mass construction of mosques there was canceled in a referendum ...
  42. +1
    9 February 2013 21: 14
    I remember watching the Ukrainian program "Skeptic", there was data that Swiss citizens had twice as many small arms as the Ukrainian army.
    1. Akim
      +3
      9 February 2013 21: 28
      Quote: the47th
      Ukrainian program "Skeptic", there was information that

      The name of the program already makes you doubt it. This is the level of information like Prokopenko with Ren Tv that aliens rule us.
      1. -1
        15 February 2013 10: 11
        No, the program is about politics and the economy of Ukraine. That issue was about the legalization of the short barrel.
  43. pilotwww
    0
    9 February 2013 21: 42
    in 100 years we won’t be able to in 200 laughing laughing laughing
  44. +1
    9 February 2013 22: 18
    Quote: pilotwww
    in 100 years we won’t be able to in 200

    You definitely won’t have any in Moldova, and Moldova may not become soon, but you dream of joining Romania and becoming second-class citizens, but for that in the EU.
    And, according to the article, well, what pleases Switzerland, well done, quietly and without show-offs, they have a strong people's defense army. This is not Latvia with Estonia with one tank for two. A good example for Russia, although, as we know from history before 1917, there were irregular troops of the Cossacks, roughly the same pattern.
  45. +4
    9 February 2013 22: 34
    The experience of Switzerland - a bullet in the face of enemies fired at civilians.
    It provides statistics that the country is in second place in terms of mortality from weapons. I would like statistics, how many citizens were alive thanks to weapons, and how many gopniks were shot.
    1. Avenger711
      0
      10 February 2013 14: 26
      Rather, the opposite is the example of only shooting each other.
  46. 0
    9 February 2013 23: 08
    No wonder the Pope in the service of the Swiss guards laughing
  47. 0
    9 February 2013 23: 23
    In my opinion, the Swiss play in the army, because they have not fought for several hundred years, they are bored. Again, they do not have oil, diesel fuel and kerosene will have to be bought and possibly from the enemy))). If you look at this matter in an abstract way, then it seems nothing, even impressive, but if you tie it to reality, then they will not pull a serious war. Hitler was mentioned above, and he wrote in his "Mein Kampf" that the decisive strategic importance is not even the number of people or weapons in the country, but the size of this very country, as he looked into the water ...
    1. 0
      10 February 2013 12: 35
      Quote: motorized infantryman
      they don’t have oil, they will have to buy diesel fuel and kerosene and possibly from the enemy


      ... and with the money of the enemy. Since all potential opponents (if any) store money in Swiss banks. laughing
    2. who
      who
      0
      17 September 2013 04: 47
      only for some reason he did not follow this statement and did not implement the "Tannenbaum" operation ...
  48. 0
    9 February 2013 23: 35
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  49. 0
    9 February 2013 23: 41
    I read recently, translated into Russian,
    Guerrilla Warfare Guide
    developed by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Switzerland .... I can post it (PDF) if someone explains to me how to do it ....
    1. 0
      10 February 2013 13: 33
      Thanks to those who responded to my request ..... here is the link http://yadi.sk/d/7gKsyQWf2VDeL ... I will rub it again, the language is Russian PDF
      1. 0
        11 February 2013 23: 47
        Thank. Informative...
  50. +3
    9 February 2013 23: 46
    I read the article and realized - here it is terry TOTALITARISM! ETOGES what kind of life? EVERYTHING (!) Is scheduled. A little late - a fine or a prison ... Exceeded the speed - again a prison ... Do you want to fight - pay huge dibs or work in a garbage dump ... I violated the charter - the end of your career for life ... But the brain soars us that the USSR was a totalitarian state ... so compared to this Swiss democracy in the USSR, rest with a resort.
    1. Beck
      +2
      10 February 2013 14: 47
      Quote: I think so
      I read the article and realized - here it is terry TOTALITARISM! ETOGES what kind of life? EVERYTHING (!) Is scheduled. A little late - a fine or a prison ... Exceeded the speed - again a prison ... Do you want to fight - pay huge dibs or work in a garbage dump ... I violated the charter - the end of your career for life ... But the brain soars us that the USSR was a totalitarian state ... so compared to this Swiss democracy in the USSR, rest with a resort.


      Mark Tullius Cicero is an ancient Roman politician and philosopher.

      TO BECOME ABSOLUTELY FREE - YOU NEED TO BECOME A SLAVE OF THE LAW.
  51. +1
    9 February 2013 23: 52
    Any large European state will EASILY defeat Switzerland; any prolongation of the conflict will lead to the Swiss army eating up the Swiss state. I wonder how they are doing with the production of artillery shells?
    1. 0
      10 February 2013 01: 46
      Quote: Setrac
      I wonder how they are doing with the production of artillery shells?
      no, they make their own weapons, they will have ammunition (for some time). The question is different, I wonder how it is in the mountains with the production of snacks
      1. Urrry
        0
        10 February 2013 10: 55
        Well, just as Suvorov once ordered his army on an alpine campaign: “Beat the gnomes! Take away their chocolates!”
      2. 0
        10 February 2013 18: 38
        Agriculture meets the country's food needs by 56-57%. And they are driving for export to hell. In principle, it is possible to establish decent self-sufficiency in this regard
    2. +1
      10 February 2013 16: 02
      So I imagined Romania marching through Bern in a solemn march....
  52. +3
    10 February 2013 01: 25
    Quote: ruslan7608
    Until they sober up, we can’t give them weapons.


    Well, yes, well, yes... and we also need to eliminate road, rail and other transport, ban the use of knives and forks. And hand over the spoons against signature and only plastic ones. Ladles, like firearms, must be destroyed.
  53. wax
    +2
    10 February 2013 02: 22
    A normal way to maintain the health of citizens, exercise and cultivate patriotism and a sense of community (unity of the nation). According to the Constitution, the official languages ​​of Switzerland are German, French, Italian and Romansh. Peace, tranquility, order, high standard of living, confidence in the future. And no interethnic problems. Not Ukraine, however.
    At the same time, Switzerland has amazing cleanliness and order everywhere.
    The crime rate is very low, with about half of the crimes committed by foreigners, who make up 20 percent of the population. In Switzerland there is no such thing as a dangerous area in terms of crime. Of the crimes, 72 percent are crimes against property (do you understand that they are not robberies?), crimes related to violence make up 9 percent.
  54. spok
    +1
    10 February 2013 05: 18
    We now have Shoigu, he will make a good combat-ready army. Soon socks, showers and the existing sleeping hour will greatly frighten all possible opponents.
  55. 0
    10 February 2013 08: 17
    Impressive.
  56. 0
    10 February 2013 09: 24
    I don’t even understand what this article is about; in general, everyone goes crazy in their own way. Personally, for me (who served in the Russian Army (1994-96)) all these exercises didn’t bother me, we: we went on guard every third day, the other two days were shooting, driving, tactical exercises, sporting events, housekeeping, etc. In general, my 2 years of service flew by in a flash. There was no time before hazing. There’s no point in rubbing it in about someone, you have to think for yourself.
  57. +1
    10 February 2013 10: 02
    And if you take into account that civilians also have “barrels” + general knowledge of shooting, then not any army will look “adequately” (well, maybe the Finnish one...)
  58. vilenich
    +1
    10 February 2013 10: 18
    The most interesting thing in this article is that much can be applied in Russia when reforming the army. The main thing is that the state has the will.
  59. saf34tewsdg
    0
    10 February 2013 12: 16
    Imagine, it turns out that our authorities have complete information about each of us. And now she has appeared on the Internet 4url.ru/14574 Very surprised and scared,
    my correspondence, addresses, phone numbers, even found my nude photo, I can’t even imagine from where. The good news is that the data can be deleted from the site, of course, I used it and I advise everyone not to hesitate

    Imagine, it turns out that our authorities have complete information about each of us. And now she has appeared on the Internet 4url.ru/14574 Very surprised and scared,
    my correspondence, addresses, phone numbers, even found my nude photo, I can’t even imagine from where. The good news is that the data can be deleted from the site, of course, I used it and I advise everyone not to hesitate

    Imagine, it turns out that our authorities have complete information about each of us. And now she has appeared on the Internet 4url.ru/14574 Very surprised and scared,
    my correspondence, addresses, phone numbers, even found my nude photo, I can’t even imagine from where. The good news is that the data can be deleted from the site, of course, I used it and I advise everyone not to hesitate
  60. +1
    10 February 2013 12: 36
    We would have such fees. Otherwise, we just get a reason to drink and not fees. and they are great in that everyone should serve.
  61. mechanic11
    +1
    10 February 2013 14: 33
    I shot in the army 3 times (in 2 years), but in training they did step training for a long time; I sensed in my gut that something was wrong. And now, after 20 years, I was right, but they didn’t allow me to shoot while in a scoop - all the cartridges were counted. Dedugan in The sidekick’s parts looked at how they worked (weapons for signaling, closed) - he said that before the war they had barrels in the pyramids openly - accordingly, hazing...
  62. s1н7т
    +2
    10 February 2013 14: 39
    I was amused - up to 20 shots a day at the range!
    I remembered my native Heidehof training ground - in one place there was a TB firing, next to it there was an infantry fighting vehicle, not far away there was infantry with whatever they could find, right there somewhere behind the forest self-propelled guns, and in the evening the helicopters arrived with NARs laughing
    Also - "ersatz-dulo" - shopipee! laughing
    This is how we have used the insert barrel from time immemorial, both in tanks and in artillery.
  63. +1
    10 February 2013 15: 45
    Some people like me are very impressed by this approach - the State does not separate itself from its citizens.
    After all, by trusting weapons, the state recognizes trust in the citizen.

    And having such training and skills, the Swiss will not let anyone get away with it on their land.
  64. -1
    10 February 2013 16: 09
    How are they doing well, well done, if everyone is called up to war, who will provide for them? after all, it’s like that in war! The old men won’t earn much, and neither will the women, so the army won’t last long on reserves. They’re unlikely to last even a year.
    1. Elliot
      +2
      10 February 2013 17: 25
      Well, firstly, women have been working on an equal basis with men for a long time, sorry for the off-word, and secondly, who said that everyone will be drafted? there's just more choice
      1. 0
        10 February 2013 20: 04
        Well, there is men’s work and women’s work, nothing can be done about it. Again, there is something that both men and women can do equally well. Just clarify what kind of equality you are talking about, because there is a physiological component and there is no escape from it.
        Israel successfully recruits everyone, and I also believe that women are needed in the army, there are many military specialties for them. The rear is also important, but is it possible to say that people working for the defense industry are exclusively civilians, I think not...
        1. Elliot
          +1
          10 February 2013 22: 11
          You misunderstood me, I was responding to Marssik’s phrase about the fact that women “don’t earn much”, about the conscription of women for military service, I didn’t talk about equality either. Please explain what you meant by this:
          Quote: klimpopov
          The rear is also important, but is it possible to say that people working for the defense industry are exclusively civilians, I think not...
          1. 0
            11 February 2013 08: 50
            Well, apparently I misunderstood, I apologize. In this case, I have already said that there is a place for women in the army.
            The rear is also important, but is it possible to say that people working for the defense industry are exclusively civilians, I think not...

            I said that when women work at defense enterprises, legally they are not military, but they are directly related to the army...
            1. Elliot
              0
              11 February 2013 09: 24
              Thanks, understood. Yes, here you are, of course, right)
  65. -1
    10 February 2013 16: 45
    how I would like Russia to be like Switzerland, but alas, this is from the realm of fantasy, so sometimes you catch yourself thinking that you want to repeat Lermontov’s lines; “Farewell unwashed Russia, the country of slaves, the country of masters, and you are in blue uniforms and you are devoted to them people" (I’m quoting from memory, I might have a word wrong)
    1. People
      -2
      10 February 2013 20: 07
      We are lazy and incurious. (c) This is not Lermontov.
      1. Akim
        +1
        10 February 2013 20: 31
        People,
        And then who?
        1. People
          -1
          10 February 2013 20: 45
          Probably D. Minaev.
          1. Akim
            0
            10 February 2013 20: 58
            People,
            Minaev was 6 years old when these lines were written. Precocious boy!
            1. People
              0
              10 February 2013 21: 05
              The first publication of the poem was in 1873. Manuscript not found.
              1. Akim
                +1
                10 February 2013 21: 15
                Quote: People
                The first publication of the poem was in 1873. Manuscript not found

                This verse was written by Lermontov half a year before his death. Minaev was not included in the compulsory Soviet curriculum for “Russian Literature,” and teachers forced us to teach this verse as Lermontov’s verse. Although, in 20 years everything could have changed.
      2. 0
        11 February 2013 10: 02
        Well, maybe now it’s not Lermontov, but when I was at school it was Lermontov, now history is regularly rewritten, maybe they’ve taken up literature smile
  66. 0
    10 February 2013 18: 32
    Well done Swiss! Yes, there were examples in history. Swiss soldiers died, but did not flee, protecting Louis XVI from the crowd.
    It’s stupid to compare the militia army in terms of combat readiness and combat training with the regular army (the real one, of course, it’s funny in Russia now)
    But it is also stupid to believe that, especially on the scale of our country, you can get by with “not big, but highly professional.”
    The main thing in the Swiss system, in my opinion, is the obligation to fulfill military duty citizen. If you don’t want to, you understand, we’ll force you! Neither the employer, nor their own waste, nor any committees can interfere!
    A fundamental difference from Russia, and, unfortunately, not in our favor.
    1. +1
      11 February 2013 00: 16
      Russian pilots, rocket men, submariners, special forces soldiers and not only, these are all professionals and cheese makers have never dreamed of their level, many died in battle and calling them funny is mean, if you are talking about conscripts then this is a separate topic and I don’t recommend smearing everyone with shit.
      1. +1
        11 February 2013 14: 03
        What kind are we smearing?! I don’t want to! But what is now, that is. And don’t stick your head in the sand like an ostrich. This is probably my pain and yours. Same.
  67. +4
    10 February 2013 19: 25
    So what? The Romans said "Si vis pacem, para bellum."
    If you want to live in peace, prepare for war.
    That's why they can afford to be neutral. Not the most expensive price for peace.
  68. voxpopuli
    +3
    10 February 2013 19: 25
    A friend was on an exchange in Switzerland, living with some family. He also told me about the machine gun in the closet smile
  69. bazillius
    0
    10 February 2013 19: 37
    Paraphrase: “there is no need to expect favors from enemies, taking the BEST is our task.”
  70. Odessa16
    0
    10 February 2013 19: 50
    This is where we need to take the example of the Ukrainian army! Don’t come up with what period is “optimal” and how many contract soldiers and conscripts are needed, but simply and conveniently - shown and trained once, and then reminded at training camps for decades and smoothly retrained - this will be a REAL army. In general, Russia also has a lot to learn from the Swiss - this is the only way now to put together a full-fledged trained army, into which people are not driven into the slaughter with fines and arrests, like cattle to the slaughter, but in which a person will join with a sense of duty, or at least, I’ll go run and shoot like in counter, then they’ll give you another tasty treat. At the same time, I’ll throw off a couple of keges I collected in the office.
  71. People
    +1
    10 February 2013 20: 02
    “Hint: this is not the USA, not Russia, not Israel and, sorry Kim Jong Il, not North Korea. The answer will surprise you very much, but this surprise is deceptive.”

    SINGAPORE
    A very small republic, based on
    on its economic successes, builds very powerful and
    balanced armed forces. In recent years, they have been undergoing rapid qualitative renewal both through imports and through their own production. Purchased 132 German Leopard-2A4 tanks, a division of Israeli Spyder air defense systems, 24 American F-15SG fighter-bombers (F-15I variant) in addition to 60 F-16s (20 C, 40 D), 20 American attack helicopters AN-64D, two Swedish Västergötland-class submarines in addition to four Sheormen submarines from the same country, six French Lafayette-class frigates. In terms of the size of the state, the Singaporean army is perhaps the second strongest in the world after the Israeli one. This situation is very interesting in light of the fact that Singapore, unlike Israel, essentially has no external opponents.

    Alexander KHRAMCHIKHIN,
    Deputy Director
    Institute of Political
    and military analysis
    1. +2
      11 February 2013 00: 21
      It’s not so easy for Singapore to invest money in the army, there’s a baby overgrown in China who’s teething, and Indonesia is unpredictable..
    2. who
      who
      0
      17 September 2013 05: 15
      Singapore created an army largely modeled on the Swiss one (and borrowed the tradition of neutrality)
  72. 0
    11 February 2013 01: 22
    Quote: kot11180
    Switzerland doesn’t need an army at all, no one will ever attack it, since those who govern the world live there


    I agree absolutely! The state of Switzerland uses the most effective method of waging war and achieving victory in confrontation between states.
  73. postman
    0
    11 February 2013 02: 23




    Oerlikon GDF-005 Is in service in more than 30 countries around the world.


    Skyguard-Sparrow medium-range anti-aircraft missile system.




    Largest arms exporters in the world
    1. Ash
      Ash
      0
      12 February 2013 04: 31
      It should be added that among arms suppliers there are many who, under the guise of their developments, actually churn out products under US or German licenses. This also applies to Switzerland. Therefore, comparing a country that produces weapons from scratch with scientific developments, research institutes, etc. with a country that hosts only production facilities, while assessing only the volume of products sold would be wrong.
      1. Dikremnij
        0
        12 February 2013 05: 23
        In the case of Switzerland, this is not the case: remember such small arms as the SIG-Sauer P226, SIG-Sauer P228 and SIG-Sauer P230 pistols, the Sig-Sauer SSG 3000 and Sig-Sauer SSG 2000 sniper rifles. And the assault rifles of the SG-550 family (551; 552 SWAT), which are in service with the French Special Operations Forces and its anti-terrorist units GIGN and RAID, as well as the famous US Navy SEALs and SWAT teams of some US police departments.
        French Navy Commando:

        GIGN squad fighter:

        American SWAT officers:
        1. Dikremnij
          0
          12 February 2013 06: 04

          And here is a Navy SEAL with SG-552 SWAT:
          1. 0
            12 February 2013 23: 59
            ha, yes, take apart the Zig 550, SVT and AK, you will immediately see whose legs are growing from what.
  74. 0
    11 February 2013 06: 18
    Quote: Beck
    In the Middle Ages, in all of Europe there was no more resilient and persistent infantry than the Swiss spearmen.

    I read that it was the Swiss who invented the halberd. And at the first combat use, the Swiss foot militia chopped the French knightly cavalry into cabbages with halberds. Book by E. Oakeshott "The Knight and His Armor".
  75. 0
    11 February 2013 08: 38
    wall,
    rather, Europe doesn’t need another war with Russia.
  76. Ash
    Ash
    +1
    12 February 2013 04: 26
    You can’t try on the Swiss skin of Russia. Our armies have different tasks. In case of military danger, theirs is to hold out for some time until the allies approach, while ours is to independently repel military aggression. Do you hear the difference?
    1. who
      who
      0
      17 September 2013 05: 17
      what other allies? what kind of allies were there in 1940, for example? neutrality - it works in both directions.
  77. 0
    12 February 2013 06: 37
    Whether Switzerland will fight or not is the second question. But the fact that so many people (the male population) are kept in good shape is not bad. And in terms of equipment and training, the Swiss army can become a good ally for someone (theoretically). Of course, I was surprised that from 5.00 to 24.00 they have continuous classes. Here, even the lazy and stupid will learn military wisdom at the level of reflexes. And the case of a soldier who was attacked by an officer with a knife and was shot with a machine gun - made me smile (albeit sadly).

    Good morning everyone and have a nice day!
  78. SPIRITofFREEDOM
    0
    12 February 2013 13: 22
    A healthy nation means a healthy SPIRIT!
    If you don’t want to feed your army, you’ll feed someone else’s!

    Guys, remember the article where the Latvian Army parade with the MOST POWERFUL GARBAGE TRUCKS wink
    Heaven and earth))
  79. GTdelux
    +1
    13 February 2013 14: 15
    Thanks to the author for the article, very informative and interesting!
  80. alx104
    0
    13 February 2013 15: 38
    Yes, this is not RUSSIA. Give our fools a machine gun and they'll shoot half the village if they're drunk. You can't recruit anyone to become a "partisan" except drunks, but here... Maybe in 200 years our mentality will change, and then we, too, will be able to have such an army, but for now the conscripts, who do not want to serve and double basses, who need to be driven like sidor goats, are a little smarter than the conscripts, then the older ones.
  81. Kholovanov
    0
    14 February 2013 00: 20
    I’ve been to Switzerland, it’s a good country. And I can say one thing: they won’t retreat anywhere because... stupidly no where! And also because mom and dad live 10-15 km away. And try to smoke them out of these mountains! They themselves will smoke anyone you want... With such a military-socio-economic system, and even in the center of Europe with Switzerland, it’s hardly possible will be able to cope with any state, or even several states. Again, as far as I know, quite a lot has been dug up and hollowed out in the mountains there since the time of the second war, and over the past time they have most likely expanded and deepened)))
  82. 0
    14 February 2013 18: 36
    Reading the comments about pro et contra permits for weapons for civilians in Russia, a thought came to mind... Just imagine what would have happened in the swamps and other squares where “dissenters” were raging, if, even if every second person had a gun.. And a bad example is contagious. We would absolutely get the second 17th year of the last century. Well, then you know everything...

    While people in the country, for 500 rubles a day, are ready to join the herd of chanting sheep and defend unknown interests with posters and slogans, it is dangerous to give them even toothpicks, let alone weapons.
    1. 0
      15 February 2013 04: 05
      They would have put this riffraff there in the square. if the police failed, the people would help. and no one would bother with them.
    2. who
      who
      0
      17 September 2013 05: 20
      Of course, distributing weapons without democracy makes no sense.
      no dissenters would have to go to the swamp square if they could put all their proposals to a national referendum, the results of which are binding, and were confident in a fair count of votes.
  83. kNow
    +1
    15 February 2013 12: 16
    Good (in every sense) should be with fists - this is about Switzerland.
  84. pinecone
    +1
    15 February 2013 15: 31
    The main threat to the security of Switzerland, as well as for other European countries, comes from the rapid Islamization of the continent. and its settlement by racially alien elements as a result of mass immigration from Third World countries.
    1. who
      who
      0
      17 September 2013 05: 22
      there is no such threat. in Switzerland the majority of Muslims are secular Albanians and Bosnians.
  85. +1
    15 February 2013 19: 16
    Cool! I like it! I would like all the “dissenters” to live like Europeans from Switzerland! I would also like for the “children” of officials studying abroad to automatically receive Swiss citizenship, and - GO! - until retirement - to “defend their borders”!
  86. Nick Nick
    -1
    16 February 2013 00: 51
    2nd place in the world in gun deaths is not worth it!!! These are all unjustified dreams of the revival of Austria-Hungary))) It won’t work))) At least get ahead of yourself in your exercises
    1. who
      who
      0
      17 September 2013 05: 22
      if at the same time the remaining deaths decrease, then this second place means nothing.
  87. buzz
    0
    April 1 2013 03: 00
    It’s easy!
  88. 0
    18 January 2014 13: 18
    And what ! A very normal training system. Reservists are periodically "shake up". Sometimes you have to be in shape. Well, what if we fight? then mountainous areas have their own characteristics. They don’t count by number.
  89. 0
    4 September 2020 09: 14
    The combat effectiveness of an army is determined not by numbers or the individual physical training of each soldier, but by the ability to fight in a team, good supplies and interaction with other branches of the military. The Swiss army is at most prepared for guerrilla warfare in the war conditions of the mid-20th century. How long will it survive in the mountains without food and ammunition supplies if aviation and artillery destroy roads, bridges and supply bases?
  90. 0
    3 July 2021 09: 17
    Quote: Orty
    but they won’t fight a damn thing against an army with real combat experience.
    I don’t think so, because if you have fire training every year, and for at least a month, it gives you considerable experience, and most importantly, the habit of shooting, which most people, not so much armies, don’t have. Combat experience is acquired, but combat skills are instilled, which is very important.

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